Ireland seeks to block Israel access to data on EU citizens
Irish government retaliates over use of forged Irish passports by alleged Mossad spies in Dubai assassination.
By Ora CorenIreland is seeking to stop a European Union initiative that would enable Israel to receive sensitive information about European citizens, due to concerns about the use that Israel would make of this information, the Irish minister for justice said over the weekend.
In what may be another blow to Israel's international status, Dermott Ahern said that since Israel allegedly used forged Irish passports to carry out the hit on Hamas official Mohammed al-Mabhouh in Dubai, Israel should not be allowed access to this data. Israel has not admitted to a role in the assassination.
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Irish Prime Minister Brian Cowen addresses an EU conference, June 17, 2010 |
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Under a plan put forward at the beginning of the year, the European organizations for protecting individuals' privacy agreed that Israeli companies and European companies should be able to exchange information about customers.
For example, this would mean that an Israeli customer of a local cell phone company, say, Pelephone, would be able to use his phone to connect to the Internet, say, in Italy, and the Italian telecom would be able to receive his personal data from Pelephone and charge his account accordingly. The same would be true for people with European cell phones in Israel who wanted to use Israeli networks.
In addition, multinational corporations would be able to entrust Israeli companies to secure their databases, and the data could be stored on servers in Israel. Plus, information about employees could be passed freely between European and Israeli branches of the same company.
In agreeing to grant this access, the EU authorities decided that Israel had proper information protection systems in place.
However, the plan still needs to be ratified by the government of each individual EU member country before it can take force.
Beyond easing companies' operations, the plan is also intended to make it easier for the authorities to catch cases of money laundering.
Currently, passing data between Israel and Europe is dependent on explicit contracts, which fund many a lawyer's income. The initiative would do away with one of the last remaining trade barriers with Europe.
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I dont trust Israel with any information about U.S. citizens whatsover The coud use it for many mistchievous ways. Go Ireland. Many kudos
When you have a major part of the population that is paranoid and wants war in order to live a good life, war is what they will get.... democracy right?But if it was a dictatorship, the ruler can shut them up and Israel will have a better image. Come to think of it, Israel is a ME country, and most ME countries don't have democracy. Maybe that is why there are no wars between them.Food for thought.
The EU should freeze all EU trade agreements with Israel, it doesn't deserve these concessions. Apart from it's endless crimes against humanity, it also then insults and endangers citizens of member states of the EU. Well done Ireland for taking this stance - Israel should not under any circumstances be allowed to have access to this data.
The European Union will never be able to fully sever ties with Israel.
How many Muslims live in Ireland today compared to 10 years ago?
Dont worry , the muslims are not after their Lucky Charms
demanding he asks questions in Parliament in light of the passport affair whether this should be allowed to go forward. Israel must not be able to have any access to British citizen's personal information which can be used in identity theft.
glad someone has the 'cohonnes' to stand up to 'The Lobby'
I have met both people of ireland and israel but I am sorry to say that I love irish people. I put it to Israeli people being isolated themselves at present with what happened in history. you need to relax man, chill out and enjoy the life ; nobody hates you for who you are but only for what you do
I have met both people of ireland and israel but I am sorry to say that I love irish people. I put it to Israeli people being isolated themselves at present with what happened in history. you need to relax man, chill out and enjoy the life ; nobody hates you for who you are but only for what you do
Lets never forget the need for a Jewish homeland never would have happened if Christianity did not rule Europe like Islam rules the middle east Now they are hoping the Arabs finish what they started It is times like these I am glad Israel is supplied with weapons, because this way they will not go down without a fight
May there be many more like this. The world is waking up to the crimes committed by the State of Israel.
Looks like all the trendy one eyed Israel bashing is not going to save you dhimmis.
So lets sanction Israel based on allegations rather than evidence. For any other country or individual concrete evidence is required, but Israel gets special treatment. Many people wanted Mabhouh dead. Many countries, including Arab states, were happy to receive news that he had been dispatched, and couldn't care less who did it. Would it make you sleep easier in your bed if Mabhouh was killed by an Israeli drone missile strike?
is sat in a cell in Poland waiting for extradition to Germany where he is to be charged with forging a german passport for the purpodses of murder in Dubai. You must have forgotton about him.
in the light of serious diplomatic pressure from Israel (which tends to point at guilt) that there was grounds to send this particular Israeli to stand trial in Germany.
roundly condemn others for interfering in Israel's business are up in arms over another country's proposal that Israel doesn't like. Ireland and the EU or anyone else in the world, are well within their rights to share or not share their data with Israel. They are not breaking laws. They are protecting their citizens.
Not that there is any evidence that Israel was responsible, however, Mabhouh was not a nice guy from Gaza who was on vacation. He was a senior Hamas military commander. So if Israel was responsible for sorting him out, they were doing so to PROTECT THEIR CITIZENS. But you don't like Israel protecting its citizens do you. You just want to see them blown up and terrorized dont you?
Absolutely nothing wrong with Israel protecting their own citizens. just use Israeli passports to do it and not ours.
Is Ireland ging to boycott Russia ?
Yes, lets see that bankrupt Island of Ireland flexing its morality against Russia. Come on, you are so proud of your morals and standards, expel a Russian diplomat and publicly condemn Russia.
Ireland may be financially bankrupt but israel is morally bankrupt. o also as an American tax payer have some pride and try to support yourselves , we are tired of paying for your genocide. want to send me back all the money i spent supporting you.
Ireland is both "morally" and "financially" Kaput.
You havn't paid for crap, OK. Stop that useless line that american anti semites love to pull out about how they are being taxed to support Israel. B.S. Most of our taxes go to fund our local projects like schools, highways and other stuff. None of your tax dollars goes to Israel, and if any of it does, it's negligible, so get off your high horse
Unlike the billions given by the USA to Arabs aid to Israel mostly does NOT leave the USA Ever tried checkingv your facts before shouting your slogans or is that too much like hard work ?
Do you know where these so called tax dollars actually go? They go to the American economy to maintain American jobs and industry. Israel gets a line of credit which it can only spend on American goods. So whether you like it or not, a bad situation in the Middle East is good for American jobs. It may not be nice, but thats the way it is.
they should also worry about russian sleeper cells. the "chapman" girl actually married a uk citizen in order to acquire uk citizenship and hence entry into the us. she spied in both countries. all of them had fake and stolen identities.
The EU worries about terrorists, regardless of their creed or reasons. That doesn't mean that all people of, for example, Islamic faith are treated like terrorists. I realize you might not agree with this approach Cipora, but we think it is important not to turn into a suprematist society that scapegoats minority groups. In fact, such a thing is more worrying than a handful of terrorists could ever be.
You're right, EU shold also worry about Israel becaue they're forging passports of real innocent citizens and killing people with it. O wait, that IS what the EU is doing.
you are deliberately misenterpreting what i said. it is a fact, however, that nearly all terrorism in the eu is carried out by radical islamists. it was reported just a few days ago that the uk's counterillegience is concentrated over ninety percent on preventing terror from islamist terrorists.
Dont worry O in another two decades, teh Muslims will either have bred the brits out of existence or immigrated teh brits out ofm existence. Already tehir is a hotbed of Islamic radicalism in teh UK why do you think the Uk abolished private gun ownership? had nothing to do really with Dunblane. Soon all Brits will pray 5 times a day facing mecca with their asses in teh air. Wunderbar! Ja?
or are they just playing to their Socialist/Islamist voters.?
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Why???
Ireland forgets their past history. So innocent, they never harmed a fly. Talk about self deceit. The British and the Irish are so two faced one could just puke. The Muslim uprising in the UK is coming and you would have brought it on yourselves.
i seem to recall hundreds of innocent britons losing their lives due to irgun.
Here we go. "Founding fathers" (colonizers) of Israel kill thousands of people in a single year to establish their state, it's a miracle. Ireland or any other non-Jewish country kills the same number of their colonizers over several centuries, they're evil. Talk about two-faced.
and we must not forget the Arab pogroms dating back hundreds of years long before any of the current excuses.Obviuosly you have chosen to forget the blood on Arab hands. PS in the same time Arabs have killed millions of each other.You have chosen to forget that as well,that way you can make a great argument in your own mind.
omg, this is the most annoying hasbara technique by FAR. every single group in human history has done something bad at one point or another. yes, EVERY ONE, including the jews (poor canaanites and palestinians...) and the irish and the british and whoever else. but it doesn't matter. what matters is the present. in the PRESENT, ireland is a pretty damn peaceful place, and they're actually pretty tight with the british now. i don't see you criticizing those who condemn iran/north korea/whatever for speaking up because "they forget their past history". enough, y'all are giving me a headache.
"The Arabs" were being invaded. Did you expect them to happily let their homes be destroyed? (Don't answer that, because I fear you'll say "Why, yes I did."). And to conflate the Palestinians with the billions of Muslims worldwide is as ridiculous as saying that a Christian from, say, Tahiti is complicit in the Holocaust because most Germans were also Christian. Get a new line.
who came on long after the continuous Jewish presence in Palestine
2. Your heart bleeds when they get killed in their thousands,killing thousands of Jews, in a self declared attempt at genocide' their "war of annihilation" but when millions of Arabs kill each other it is "conflation" talk about it.What a twisted set of so called values- to suit your agenda. 3. None of you seem to have a problem with the vast majority of the B ritish mandate handed to Jordan but 15% going to Israel is a tradgedy and you want to be taken seriously.?
The Arabs of Palestine are the original inhabitants. Them and you Israelites are the same, you're both semites. They just became arabs because they spoke the language. during the birth of Israel, you guys massacred anyone not Jewish in order to have a "Jewish only" nation. Apparently its not working.
I don't want any of my information passed to Israel; it has proven that it cannot be trusted on several occasions. There is quite a difference between faking s passport and forging someone's passport to frame them for a murder as Israel was allegedly attempting to do. This is a smart move Ireland and one that should be followed by other EU Members.
So as you know better kindly post your proof beyond reasonable doubt?
Israel also has the right to protect it's citizens, not just the EU who are plotting to destroy Israel through the back door.
Then stop taking EU subsidies - simple.
Ireland as a deeply catholic country has proven to be an old fashioned religious anti semitic country. No higher morale values played a role in the Irish stand on Israel in the past, present and future. Just simple anti semitism, because if they would really care about human rights they would not support groups like Hamas or Hezbollah. Moreover the Russian spy case shows that Ireland is a hypocrite because if they would be serious about passport forgery they would have kicked the Russians out of their country. However instead they choose to bully the Jews of Israel and let the Russians do whatever they want!! Irish stop preaching to the Jews and be consistent with what you preach tell Turkey to get the hell out of Cyprus and stop murdering Kurds and tell the Russian to get out of Europe and the US untill you prove not to live according to the old KGB days!!! Before this stop preaching to us you hypocrites!!
you might have missed the part where the russian spies were not actually spies... they weren't charged for espionage (spying), just acting on behalf of a foreign agency without registering first. and when has ireland ever condoned killing of kurds?! take a xanax, dude.
Don't you know that whenever someone gets mad at Israel for violating international law, it's because they're horrible anti-Semites? Of course, when any OTHER country violates international law, it's okay to get mad at them because they aren't The Chosen People (TM).
"Chosen People (TM)". Nice one.
Don't think the Irish are preaching to Israel, mate. They just don't want to give you access to their citizens' data. In view of Israel's behaviour on the international scene, that appears very reasonable, if you ask me.
Who are these guys trying to kid
that "Every major ...? Unless you can be more specific, we have to assume you know no more than the average reader on this subject. That is nothing.
Making up an identity and faking a passport is not what Israel is accused of doing, Israel is accused of forging passports of EU citizens in order to frame them for a murder. So who are you trying to kid?
The passports may have been fraudulent, but the identities on those faked passports were of REAL Irish citizens, and REAL Britons, and REAL Australians. That adds a different dimension to this issue, precisely because it implicates innocent people in a murder.
According to the published reports, only passports of Israeli citizens were forged. So who are you trying to kid?
i don't know if you're familiar with, uh, any sort of law at all, but all of the people involved also had residency in another country (including ireland). dual citizenship exists, apparently.
Funny why they didn't forge Middle Eastern passports. Why ruin your ally's reputation?
before the "OMG ANTI-SEMITES!!!" comments start, the israeli government implicated innocent irish civilians in a murder--a murder involving a very dangerous group that might retaliate. the irish have every right to protect their civilians against this danger and anyone who denies otherwise is lying to themselves.
Why not worry about your home grown terrorists as well as the Islamic ones.? Some of who are quite likely already in Ireland. Enjoy! it looks like Norway does..
"irish terrorists" are largely a thing of the past. in the last ten years there have been less than two deaths related to "irish terrorism", due to northern ireland's new semi-independence from britain (see: the parliament at stormont). and there have been a total of ZERO incidents of muslims killing or endangering even a single person in ireland. who do you think you're kidding, mate?
& now Norway has likely been targetted for attack just recently. Both are very" progressive "in their pro Palesttinan & P.C .stance.,just like the Irish. What makes you think you are immune?Do tell.?
i am irish. i've lived in dublin my entire life. there may be idiots in ireland, but terrorism? none. perhaps some in northern ireland, which btw is part of britain--not ireland. glasgow is in scotland. and norway is in neither.
Ireland, beautiful country with excellent breed of intellectual people. don't mind the bashers here, they are insecure and paranoid, i think its called "inferiority complex", or simply mentally challenged.
Just imagine, suggesting that the average EU citizen might have qualms about potentially handing over their private data to the Mossad--the man obviously needs psychiatric help!
No doubt you do as well. Maybe you have both been to the same psychiatrist and now realise that telecommunications information must only be kept away from Israel.
Why don't you post your Visa number here? You can trust us.
,kicked previously out of Britain ,had not been passed onto US Authorities .