Blame the Mossad

while you have the right to believe as you wish....first i would suggest getting the facts right looking up what's docummented might be a good place to begin a good suggestion might be the findings of the UN?

Stop blaming others, when you yourself are the problem. You (Arab Muslims or Arab Christians) stand up and put down your own terrorist cells of Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Aqsa, Fatah, PFLP, and others. Don't blame others when they are hit by these people, and you stand aside, weak. Then others have to protect themselves and come back and thump the entire area. Abbas needs to grow some male anatomy and put down the events at all costs. Something neither he nor his organization is willing or able to do. Therefore, he is part and parcel of the problem. Don't blame Israel and US. We have settled our lands and lived in peace for centuries and decades. Only now have there been militant and radical Arab attacks upon peaceful people. Just because you lost a war (1967) and still cause problems ... leading to continued occupation of hostile lands and population, don't blame Israel. How come the (whities) Europeans can get over a war and events ... and you can't. You make war.

I agree with the basic premise of the article, that the Arab world sees Israel, Europe, and the United States as conspirators bent on their destruction, and that often, this belief is unfounded. However, anyone with a modicum of historical education knows that the state of Israel was founded through violence against Arabs in general, against Palestinians specifically. Arabs have cause to doubt the sincerity and altruism of the Israeli and U.S govts. I know that this post might cause me to be accused of anti-semitism, but that precisely is my second point. As easily as Arabs blame Israelis for their problems, many Jews instantly accuse anyone critical of Israeli government policy of being an anti-semite. Soul searching, as Mr. Bachar calls it, is needed on both sides. Arabs need to find deeper truths than the "Israel did it" theory. However, jews, Israeli jews especially, need a deeper truth than, "They don't support Israeli policy. They must be anti-semites." One love, one world

The author is very perceptive in his thesis that the weaker and more impotent a people feels, the more likely they are to blame others. THis reduces their guilt and shame. But it give an unreasonable power to the "enemy," in this case the Mossad and Israel. Only "omnipotent" Israel could cause 9-11, the Tsunami, the death of Harari, the death of Arafat, global warming, avian flu etc. If a meteorite hits the Earth, they will surely blame it on Israel and the Mossad, for surely the Israeli scientists are smart enough to control the heavens. At least that's what the Arab masses think.

How about all those sympathetic Arab "family men" targeted for assassination after the "stunt" at Munich? Can you believe that even Hollywood is peddling this brand of fungi?

The stupid student when fails in an exam,he accuses the education dep't.I think that when an earth quake ruins a piece of arabic world they blame isreal & the west.Once late gamal abdel naser of egypt said in a puplic gathering that if an egyptin had a headeac , he was blaming gamal abdel Naser . How do you explain it.In my opinion the west is wasting its time to defend itself against stupid thinking , let them to say whatever they want BUT DO NOT TOUCH ME and stay away from me , because I have better things to do

And you have just proven what poor education mixed with an anti Semitic psyche does to an ignoramous Englishman who more than likely will be "signing on" the dole this week..... Fix yourself up knob cheese....

It is easier to blame someone else for the fail,totalitarian and fundamental religious countries such as Syria and Saudia Arabia. It is easier to blame Israel instead of questioning and changing the extreme interpretations of the Koran in Iran. Israel's democracy is 100% better than the totalitarism in Syria and the whababb's rulers in Saudia Arabia, where women are third class citizens.

The ignorance of these muslim extremists is pretty obvious. Even after Bin laden took credit for th 9-11 attacks they still try to blame the U S and Israel on them.

THE TRUTH WILL HAUNT THEM TILL THE END:- POLL FINDS MOST EUROPEANS CONSIDER israel BIGGEST THREAT TO WORLD PEACE - http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35383 Cant really write much in these boards without being censored. Therefor I will say it in the nicest possible way, israel you need to FIX UP!!!

Islam is NOT compatible with modern society. This is the religion of the anti christ and the false prophet has many moronic followers who will do anything to force thier will on others. I say we fence off the entire middle east and never let another filthy arab out again.

Insofar as I've been able to determine, the entire relationship between the Israli's & Palestinians has been a series of events with the rallying cry "Remember-the-atrocity-committed-against-us-that-will-excuse-the-atrocity-we-are-about-to-commit-against-them!" I don't give either side much credit.

That latest Spielberg flick has made it "Cool" to be anti-Jew in a way I have never seen in my country. It is really getting scary here. I never thought people would be so public about their anti-semetism. One local community leader here even had the nerve to say that 9-11 wouldn't have ever happened if it wasn't for what "them Jews" did after Munich. Steven's Spielberg's movie has "legitimatized anti-semeticism" in my part of the world. I am concerned about where this is all leading.

Tareq, I quote you - "I think it is harsh and wrong for you to generalise about a people who are unable to have access to some very basic values and rights. The reason they do not have these is actually in some way due to the West. This cannot be denied." Do you not believe that fundamentally humans know right from wrong? If so, your argument is duff and void..The most illiterate, uneducated people on the planet do not espouse genocide of another people. Funny how arabs and the islamic world in general are the ONLY ones who espouse this kind of medieval thinking.

Tareq and those who think like him, I have to make my opinion clear regarding to your stating that British Muslims don't believe that Israel was involved in the London bombings....Utter and total HOGWASH and Balderdash! I have lived in East London ALL my life. I am well educated and am well informed about the London Muslim community and their views.....You are wrong...SO much so that your comments are laughable...Not so long ago in Ilford East London, there were noisy, aggressive demonstrations against Jews and Israel by Al Mujiharoun amongst others outside Marks and Spencer's department store......I KNOW the Muslim community in London and, believe me, they are not the peace loving, law abiding angels who you profess for them to be....Granted there are SOME exceptions but I have yet personally to meet an honest one...Just try digging a little deeper into the so called "moderate" Muslim's mindset/psyche....ALL you will find is extremism dressed up in many different forms...Islam does NOT preach peace with Jews and in essence sees itself as superior to the rest of the world. Which is why you Muslims see all non Muslims as dhimmis and infidels....What I have experienced from Muslims world wide (yes I am well travelled and went to an International school)is nothing less than pure racism(very similar to white supremacist views except in reverse)....And I am a normal looking caucasian who looks nothing like a Jew...I agree with you on one point though, "only demented people have sentiments like" those mentioned being levelled at Jews and Israel. I might add, these "demented people" are often educated, wealthy and "good" muslims.

I think the Mossad earned their bad rep, well-deserved

unfortunately,we Arabs create monsters of only efficient intelligence agencies

Steven Spielberg in his anti-semetic film "Munich" has encouraged a "Blame Mossad", "Blame Israel" metality in my country. My child came home today and said that there were kids on his playground at recess who were talking about the movie and said that the athletes deserved what they got. Also there is a TV show in the US called NCIS where one of the main characters in the show is supposed to be a former Mossad agent and she goes around telling her coworkers how she enjoyed torturing people when she was working with Mossad.

Let's forget all the conspiracy theories and focus on one thing only. The fact that the great Jewish state of Israel is ruled today by the greatest rapist butcher and fascist war criminal of all times, the one and only, corrupted crooked & currently being indicted on a 3 million dollars bribery charges, the great Ariel Sharon. This fact alone would make any human being on this planet wants to puke when they hear the word "Israel...the only democracy in the middle" the democracy of the racist apartheid regime of the chosen people. I think the educated non-fanatic Jews in Israel, if any left, should first and foremost try hard to change that image first, before they worry about a dictatorship subdued Arab population, whose only escape from their daily suffering is to blame all their miseries on USArael. But the revolution is coming and the forces of good will defeat all the immorality in this world, and will put an end to the Palestinian and Arab holocaust that lasted way too long. So you guys better pray you are on the side of the good when this happens. Because only ethical and moral people will prevail at the end. An Arab in exile.

Everybody "knows" 9/11 was a Mossad operation ask the Saudis. For once and for all there are 1.2 billion Moslems and they are all blameles victims. The rest of the world deserves the Jihad they get because they do not show proper "respect" and they are so stupid they always misunderstand.All the conspiracy theories are correct. Clear now?

The farm isreal confiscated from my father's family was not disputed.We had owned it for several hundred years!!

Mossad probably has also something to do with the fact that unrealistic came out to be such a racist moron.

coming from someone who didnt know 'protocols of Zion" was garbage, im not surprised you havent heard the 'fly in coffee' Take you head out of the sand mate !

``"Mossad knew about the 9/11 plot and did NOTHING to stop it, because it was in Israel`s interest to allow 9/11 to proceed`` (the USA is our best friend) And your as ``good`` a palestinian spokeseman and advocate as they come?...the wave of the future ?..The young and upcoming turk? ha ha ha ha...`Palestine` is in deep doggy doo doo...

don`t slander a great statesman just because he is a Jew...

BLAME THE FLY? WHAT KIND OF STORY IS THIS. YOU always and forever blame the Jews.Got it? This is the only reason the Jews are on this earth. They could have been destroyed so many times but ALLA made sure that they will survrive so that his innocent children ,the PA ARABS ( ALLA IS NOT FAMILIAR WITH FALASTIN,not in the Koran,not in RABIA, but he knows ARABS when he bumps into them)will always have someone to blame for their cruel idiocies. It is not about the fly in the cofee but about the Jews in ISRAEL. HOWEVER, IT IS TIME TO LET THE PA ARABS KNOW THAT BLAMING ISREAL IS OLD.The world wants them to blame themselves now. HEAR? BLAME YOURSELF.YOU SHOUD HAVE DONE IT YEARS AGO.

and the protocols are `real``...are you sure yr a `university` student? What was the selection criteria at this university?

Realistic says: "Mossad knew about the 9/11 plot and did NOTHING to stop it, because it was in Israel`s interest to allow 9/11 to proceed, to paint the Arabs/Muslims as evil, and to give Ariel Sharon a blank check to do whatever he wanted to the Palestinians." And so Sharon went to give the Palaestinians some Quassam launching grounds & the settlers' synagoges to burn down - huhu ... you are so "realistic", blahblah ...

Dutch` boycott.....made in China and sold by an Israeli company...with Jewish sechel....

"I assume you appreciated the 2 "map rooms" referenced" Ernie Hi Ernie, Yes, they were most helpful. Thank you. I found them interesting from a retired Geography, Politics and History teacher's perspective. ATLAS "Yes, the Road Map calls for terrorists to be disarmed as a first step in a solution. I`m with Sharon that no official final status negotiations should begin before the threat of terrorism is neutralized." Ernie We are in complete agreement here mate. If terror can be overcome then serious negotiations can continue. Cheers, ATLAS

actually the correct version of the story is that the Israeli will invent a system to stop the fly from falling in the coffee, but the Moslems, eat the fly, ask for another fly, claim that 10,000 flies were in the coffee, stop everything else in the world, blame their poverty and backwardness on the fly, and claim they own Jerusalem.

There is so much wrong in the Arab and Muslim world, that most arent willing to address the problems but prefer to blame others for their problems. Muslims arent the first to do this, but with over 1 billion people, they are clearly capable of bringing WWIII to fruition where millions will die, mostly millions. So for the sake of the moderate Muslims, I suggest you address your internal problems fast. I agree with the writer, the people who will suffer the most are Muslims. Israel is only going to put up with so much BS.

Dear Lovely, I don't know who u are, but please watch your mouth when speaking about democratically elected head of a nation. who is that everybody that you mention? Like it or not Sharon is one of the great statemen of today and a good leader for his country. All arab world wish that they had a leader like him. If you don't like him, that is fine, but a great many people respect him and pray for his health. Stop using this language about the head of state.

02:23 Israeli-Thai firm begins experimental heart treatment using adult stem cells (AP) Eat your heart out Dutch. I visited Thailand last month and visited a new Bhudist temple in the north near Changrai - all in white with mirrored mosaic that causes it to shimmer in the sun. Surrounded by expansive green lawns that required automatic watering systems. Guess where these were made, Dutch? You got it! A kibbutz in Israel. Go divestment go!

Abu Firas, You the nail right on the head my friend. I have lived in the USA for more than 30 years and I couldn't agree with you more! I highly recommend the books and articles of the British journalist Robert Fisk who observed events and misdeeds in the middle east for over 28 years and he does expose the powers at play.

Well then, if you are a resident of Jerusalem you surely have access to all kinds of media and news sources but you prefer toread and see only what you believe you should. Read the post before yours (with quoted sources) and decide for yourself if these are or are not cocked up stories to set the stage for demonizing Jews. If Jews had all the powers conspiracy theorists attribute to them, howcome they are always fighting for their survival and are in constant danger of extinction due to repeated threats over the ages to wipe them out. The latest one is that hero of Iran Amin whatshisname. WHen the Protocols of Zion and Mein Kampf are the two best selling books in the Arab world then yes, there is is quite a bit of conspir\cy theory going on and yes, all these stories are lies. By the way, it has nothing to do with the Israel Palestinina conflict. What is happening here is the result and outcome of Israel's need to defend iteself from Palestinians out to murder innocent Israelis. Please tell me why Palestinians are lobbing kassams into Israel from Gaza instead of starting to build their country?

The article is full of the usual clichés. Anyone who dares to question the official media is promptly accused of subscribing to the conspiracy theory brigade as if one has to believe everything that aired on Fox news, CNN etc. We all know that there is such a thing as psychological warfare and think tanks that work closely with the media to influence public opinion. After all over 70% of Americans were convinced that Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11 thanks to constant distorted coverage by US media. By the same token a similar number of US citizens believe Israel to be the victim in the Middle East and have no knowledge of the root causes of the Arab Israeli conflict and how Zionism had driven hundreds of thousands of Palestinians into the neighbouring countries and how Israel has been engaged in a systematic policy of ethnic cleansing against the Palestinians. Furthermore very few Americans in particular know anything about the racist practices of the Israeli state and how Palestinians are denied basic human rights like the right to education/ visiting relatives/sending their kids to schools/marrying someone from another town or driving on roads that have especially been created for the sole enjoyment of Jewish settlers. It is quite easy to dismiss any dissenting voice as conspiracy theory but the fact remains that the overwhelming majority of Arabs and Muslims are highly suspicious of Israel and its Western backers. No amount of Arabic speaking foreign ministry officials is going to change any of that.

One of Jew Watch's recent theories, starts with the true fact that Pope John Paul II had Jewish friends while growing up in Poland. Jew Watch then connects that with John Paul's status as the first Pope to extend diplomatic relations to Israel. And then an ethnic appraisal of the former Pope?s mother via an old photograph (notice the Jewish facial characteristics reads the site) and a few other parallels later, and the resulting headline was, "Was Pope John Paul II Jewish?" Iran's Al-'Alam TV broadcast an interview with Jordanian MP Dr. Adnan Hasouna on October 28, in which he claimed that the Mossad is responsible for attacks in Iraq: "The Israeli Mossad, the Jewish Mossad, and others strive to distort the image of Islam by striking the National Guard soldiers and Iraqi civilians."!!! The December 2nd edition of the Egyptian daily Al-Ahram reported that Mohamed Selim El-Awwa, a prominent Egyptian Islamist and Secretary-General of the International Association of Muslim Scholars (IAMS), claimed that the Iraqi resistance had been infiltrated by "Zionist and international intelligence services." El-Awwa explained that Muslims would not decapitate a hostage. "It is no coincidence that decapitations or the brutal killing of innocent hostages always occur just after a scandal exposing the violations of the occupation forces." For some time the Arab press reported that there was a plot by Jews to make Egyptian and Palestinian schoolgirls sexually promiscuous by selling them bubble-gum laced with aphrodisiacs. Israeli astronaut Ilan Ramon joined the Columbia team as part of a secret attempt to gather intelligence information about Iraq and the shuttle accident was staged by Israel and America to distract attention from events in the Middle East. So you see there's nothing that the Jews, aided by Mossad can't do or aren't responsible for. So 7/11-SURE AIDS-mossad started it. 1st and 2nd World Wars-ABSOLUTELY. J.F.K-Shhhhh. They even set up the last solar eclipse just so they could pick a few pockets! How about that?

If the world need further proof that there is anarchy in the Gaza Strip and that the PA has lost all control?.here it is.The world should also understand that Israel is the one to suffer from all this given that it has no one to negotiate with.Abbas is a joke and soon the fanatical Hamas will take over.The future is bleak indeed. Paul Schur

That was hilarious Dutch!!! Those darn terrorist flies...doesnt that give Israel a reason to bomb Gaza's refugee camps again?!?! FREE PALESTINE!!!!!!!

"Palestinains who work in Israel get paid in shekels. Of course they use shekels." No doubt but (believe it or not) the average everyday worker and merchant are not conducting ideological business. I stand by ... the Resistance or Partisan groups do not deal in shekels. I'll concide they might have to do some money changing at times before hand.

Why would the Sharon's gang want to kill Arafat? They had him where they wanted him, alive and locked up in his headquarters. His death was bad news for them. In their minds, as long as Arafat was around they had a free hand to do want they wanted. They knew that the players in the quartet, and on the international scene, thought Arafat was a scumbag. Most of the world leaders who dealt with Arafat had as much respect for him as for something they'd wipe off the bottom of their shoes, although they had to keep that private for politically correct reasons. Didn't anybody notice that whenever the Palestinians got really fed up with Arafat, and there was talk of stripping him of some of his powers, Sharon's gang would threaten to kill him and all the Palestinians would come running to his defense. It was a classic game they played. Who really benefited from Arafat's death?Clearly the Palestinians.

But they react to whether or not it serves their cause. For example, if a Hamas member was going to carry out a suicide attack in Israel, they`d kill him. Actually by killing him the Mossad thwart's the murder's cause. It certainly does serve Israel's cause. You logic is baffling to say the least. Or may I should apologise to you for impeding your attempts to destroy Israel. "Mossad knew about the 9/11 plot and did NOTHING to stop it, because it was in Israel`s interest to allow 9/11 to proceed, to paint the Arabs/Muslims as evil, and to give Ariel Sharon a blank check to do whatever he wanted to the Palestinians." Of course you knew that this would bring on reactions - right? I don't know who "everyone" is, but you obviously keep bad company. If you cannot prove this statement, you should once and for all apologise for spreading falsifications.

"I suspect that it is the Council for Rampant Arab Propaganda (C.R.A.P.)" I like that. Do you remember the Nixon era Commitee to RE-Elect the President or CREEP? From the other day: I assume you appreciated the 2 "map rooms" referenced. Yes, the Road Map calls for terrorists to be disarmed as a first step in a solution. I'm with Sharon that no official final status negotiations should begin before the threat of terrorism is neutralized. You may have heard the Palestinian slogan One Authority and One Gun. It refers to Political Unity and Consolidation. Unity is near complete as demonstrated by multi-party participation in their 2nd PLC poll. Consolidation is a plan that affectively disbands all independant partisan militias. The details of which must be worked out in the 2nd PLC. I say give 'em one more year to do it. Abbas says it can be done in 6 months. Hope he's not talking to the wall.

It is nice to see that someone somewhere can appreciate a well thought out factual argument. I have been reading far too much of the ongoing nonsensical Blame it on Israel, Blame it on Israel. There are two sides to an discussion There are two sides to an argument There are two sides to a debate. The Palestinians only seem to think that there is one, theirs. While they may feel they are victims, they also contribute by allowing terrorism to cotinued unabated.

FOr all those railing against Israel's lack of law and order: 23:01 Palestinian police arrest suspect in kidnapping of Britons (Reuters) 00:15 Gunmen fire on PA security to protest arrests of 3 alleged kidnappers (AP) 00:27 Witnesses report Gaza gunmen storm Interior Ministry building (Reuters) Just waiting for Khaled / Dutch et al to explain to all those willing to listen how this is Israel's fault. Wait for it...

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/664530.html

No doubt about it, the Mossad knows EVERYTHING that goes on. But they react to whether or not it serves their cause. For example, if a Hamas member was going to carry out a suicide attack in Israel, they'd kill him. ANother example, Mossad knew about the 9/11 plot and did NOTHING to stop it, because it was in Israel's interest to allow 9/11 to proceed, to paint the Arabs/Muslims as evil, and to give Ariel Sharon a blank check to do whatever he wanted to the Palestinians. Mossad knows it all, and they know someday, hopefully soon, they're going to have to.... FREE PALESTINE!!!!!!!!!!

Palestinains who work in Israel get paid in shekels. Of course they use shekels.

"... we in Israel don`t live ... in a society were local journalists sensationalise stories and constantly barrage the country`s ears and eyes with baseless scapegoating and yellow journalism ..." You mean like the recent I-F report that since it is Chanukah and since Chanukah is a holiday for children the last (and still unidentified) bomber must have been heading to a children's party? Nothing sensational there, eh?

Liked your fly post. Nothing to do with reality but that is par for the course.you did omit one about Doris not hurting a fly unless it was open.

Dutch - no offense - but you wouldnt know the TRUTH if it bit you on the behind! No ones asking you to believe the Mossad - you arent an Israeli or even a Jew. What you can believe is the bombing in London, the Embasy bombing, the USS Cole, the first trade center attack, and 9/11 were done by the "religion of piece" aka the head cutting religion. When the milk goes sour in Abbas's coffee - its the Israelis who tampered with the electricity. Its the "boy who cried wolf" and ALL the intelligence services know - thats why outside of Haaretz and Al Jezira - no one believes it all. Did the Mossad kill Arafart? Maybe - and if they did - they did the world a service - as they did when they bombed the Nuclear Reactor in Iraq. Stop blaming the Jews for every little thing (the fake tree story for example) and maybe even some of the Israelis who you claim you arent really interesting in killing - may actually take up your cause.

So you believe that the Israelis caused the sutnami, really? Why won't you accept what the Israelis say? Which facts have they changed? You say that no other agency is as loyal as Mossad. I think being loyal to your country is a virtue. So good for them. If they are loyal they have my admiration and respect. Haaretz has your sympathy for reporting the truth, you say. This article reports the truth. What do you think of blaming Israel for everything? Don't you think it is absolutely unfair?

Andy and Stephanie Murray,Dutch,Krin, Frantzmen and David Duke all believe in that stuff as well as ,that `Star Trek` was a documentary...

Ok - TRY to concentrate here - the topic of the article that Haaretz has dreamt up THIS time is - how the arabs blame the Mossad and Israel everytime anything from a broken lightbulb to the death of the man who invented terrorism happens. I know its hard for you but please try.

Thats fantastic news....so much for a boycott...Ha Ha Ha...well done...

Lovely to touch. But if you don't behave Consider her sold.

"(The Resistance)uses any currency it can get its hands on including Israeli shekels which are quite appealing." No ... that's just not true. Pardon the bad humor but the resistance wouldn't be caught dead with Zionist money on them. Not everyone believes all things Israeli are appealing, hence the point of this article.

Looks like you are really getting pummelled by Orquest, S ,Ben Gurion and Pace 306. Tell the truth and act like a Jew. This is a Jewish paper after all.

was very weak...indeed... We are all in agreement on this...

Kim, No one has a history of changing facts on the ground like Israel. And no other agency is as loyal as Mossad. Therefore, I will never accept anything they say without a magnifying glass...even then I will always suspect a cover up by them. Dutch P.S. Haaretz's takes a lot of blame daily for reporting the truth. But then what is popular is not always right and what is right is not always popular. This takes a lot of steadfastness daily ... Khalid has my sympathy too...what a trooper!

That was one of my father's favorites - and I feel like that here sometimes too.

every Arab hates the other. They do not worry to kill each other. Their common hate is of the Jew.

Anti-Israel propaganda writers have been out in full force on this article. It doesn't take a genius to realise that they must all belong to the same organisation. I suspect that it is the Council for Rampant Arab Propaganda (C.R.A.P.)

I like the one about the Rabbi who goes to Kotel daily to pray for peace and sometimes comes away feeling like he was only talking to a wall.

I thank you for the compliment but it is misguided. I wish I could take credit but if I were you I would take another jab at the identity of that right thinking chap. I do however believe and I said so previously that you are a blowhard that has no clu what he is talking about and were outmatched by Paul Harris, Ronit, and others that left this site because of all the missinformation floating here and even by Nathan der Weiser. Your claim to fame is really KLUM. Now that the triumvirate is gone Whom Ya Gonna Call (for support)

Is this an "open letter" to the new UN appointed Hariri investigator by the deputy director of the Foreign Ministry's Lebanese division?

10. Zionism is racism. 9. Israel started the 1948 war NOT the Arabs. 8. Mossad agents bombed Jewish synogogues in Arab countries to cause the Jews to flee to Israel. 7. The Jewish claim to Eretz Israel is false because Jews are actually Khazars (a favorite obsessive theme of one Khalid). 6. Egypt won the Yom Kippur war against Israel. 5. Arafat did not reject Israel's peace offer at Camp David (after all the terms were never settled... they were never settled!) 4. The Jews should be grateful to the Arabs for being "protected" as dhimmi. Compare how Arabs slaughtered people of every other religion they conquered, and be grateful you're still alive! 3. The 9/11 attacks on US were a Zionist conspiracy. The 20 Arab suicide hijackers were actually Zionist agents, and Ben Laden is a fictitious figure created by Mossad. 2. Gaza is still occupied because Israel controls all the borders, even the Egyptian border at Rafa! (psst. don't tell anyone but Mubarak is a Zionist). and the number 1 myth/conspiracy theory... 1. Having problems with your pee-pee? Its a ZIONist conspiracy! (excuse the pun).

Actually it is the Palestinains who are alwasy moving the cheese. I can't even remember what the original excuses for suicide bombings were, but the excuse of the settlers only came to the fore in the last ten years. Then it became the fence, then the targeted assassinations, then this and then that. None of these reasons existed 15 years ago and all are responses, the results of the inability of the Palestinains to stop their murderous behaviour and sit at the negotitating table without threats and conditions. New excuses every day. That's called changing the facts on the ground.

Lovely Oh how nice but steady on there missy,you may just like to retract,if not you may fall and the result can be catastrophic which will result in great damage to your beauty and a broken nose into the bargain which will not be a pretty sight. Deliver your accusations to someone nearer home my lovely,it may help you rediscover that one of the very best plastic surgeons are all Jews,therefore I'd advise you to think again. Goodbye S

Israel's largest coffee manufacturer ELite Strauss has just made a multi-million dollar deal to SELL ISRAELI COFFEE TO ONE OF BRAZIL'S LARGEST COFFEE COMPANIES. Brazil - get it?? Israel also provides Turkey with all its "Turkish" coffe - in fact Elite has a coffee factory outside Istanbul. So you can take that fly and swallow it!

"But then this does not change the fact that the intelligent people can be horrible at the same time. " Please Mehmet Can you show us the horrible facts that had done the Jews? Your lack of knowledge on this subject can come to a false conclusion I think. "Israel is a racist state despite having an educated populace." Again When you come to a verdict you must supply also your facts. Israel is no less racist than any other country in the World including Turkey. I know Turkey very well just because I come from there.I remember when I was sixteen you and your breathern told me your famous racist sentence "Vatandas Turkce konus" It means that you must talk only in Turkish. I can show you enormous facts that your country had done bad things to the etnic minority not only to the Jews, but Greeks, Armenians and to the Kurds. Can you tell me what would be a horrible thing than that your military officers obliged the Kurds to eat sheet. Can this facts show that Turkey is a racist country? I doubt it. " Israel considers non jews as subhumans and this means Mossad is dangerous and should be chased continuously. QED." This is completly a lie. You must prove it. Aby

Not true. Only those who have been lied to by their leaders and media since the day they were born.

Got news for you - your country spies on your neighbors too, and Israel spotted a US surveillance submarine in its waters several months ago. So what does that prove? The US and Israel are close intelligence collaborators and probably do tons of intelligence sharing. Do you really think that Israel is being disloyal to the US. No other country enjoys Israel's intelligence and technological capabilities as does the US. You sound like a bunch of sour grapes to me.

as you call it, uses any currency it can get its hands on including Israeli shekels which are quite appealing, even to pal terrorists. You see, they are just as greedy as your ordinary everyday average thug. So I guess that your favorite theory just went down the drain.

Good article, precise and to the point, but very, very old news. Had the author been following Khalid and his world wide supporters on this site? We are all witnessing this phenomenon on the daily basis. As far as the progressive voices being heard, it is very important. But it will be a long, long time before they are heard on the streets of the Arab world if ever. I believe it was and will be discussed at nauseum as to why.

Apropo lack of humor!!!!!

"Nowadays, Israelis like to commit false-flag attacks and arrange to have them blamed on Muslims and Arabs. That`s not hard to do when you also control most of the mass media in the West and have politicians and key government employees in your pocket." Israelis do not control most of the mass media (except in Israel) and they certainly do not have politicians and key government employees in their pockets (not even in Israel). Oh, you must mean the Jews then. Oh well, what I want to know why this upsets you so. Do you get upset with US government officials from Irish or Italian stock? Or those who are descendents of Chinese immigrants. I mean what's with you? Reading too many conspiracy theories for sure.

Arafat murdered many thousands of Christian Lebanese, tortured and raped them.

"Qui prodest"? Who inherited the stolen zillions? Why was Suha constantly keepìng him company in hospital? Remember that, while Arafat was in the Middle East, she was fully enjoying life in Paris. Remember he was said to have been poisoned with something he ate, and that Suha was constantly giving him candy while in hospital. Why didn't she allow even PA officials to visit him? Why did she permit it after long negotiations and only once Abbas had signed a document by which Suha would receive $22 million a year out of the PA budget?

Well B. Michaels, humor is a wonderful thing. I persnally do not take offence when I hear these types of jokes. They show people at their most human, foibles and all. There are also blonde jokes, jokes about women, jokes about men, jokes about gays, jokes about, thrifty Scotsmen, the Italian Mafia and Jewish mothers. Have you heard about the difference between an Italian mother and a Jewish mother? Italian mother to her child: If you don't eat I'll kill you. Jewish mother to her child: If you don't eat I will kill myself. Humor is a great way to diffuse tensions and to break the ice. There are tons of books on Jewish humor, which is probably something the Jews developed over the years as a survival tool. Most of Jewish humor is directed inwards, making fun of Jewish features, behavior, speech, thought processes. Many culture-based jokes can only be appreciated by those living in that culture, just like idioms and adages that are culture-based. The only time it becomes offensive is when traits of other people are used in a manner intended to dehumanize and demonize the other - like in aniSemitic caricatures, for example, which are so widespread in the Arabic media. It is only those who take themselves too seriously and are not able to laugh at themselves that find these jokes really offensive. There is truly nothing racist about them, in my opinion.

... of always critizising the Israelis. "You have my sympathy. There`s nothing like being blamed by your own poeple for problems they have failed to trace back to their government. I think it`s about time Isrealis gave up their herd instinct and question itheir government`s motives. They are not that kosher...." You say Haaretz has your sympathy. Aren't the staff of Haaretz Israelis? Every day you can see here different opinions from Israelis. What are you talking about them?

While I believe Israel and al-Qaeda may have similar interests in separating the U.S. from Saudi Arabia, I don't think even the Mossad could have organized 9/11 in cooperation with al-Qaida. But, Israeli intelligence did seem a good possibility for the Hariri hit. Back in the mid fifties, they ran an operation seeking to separate the U. S. and Great Britain from Egypt. They set some incendiary devices off in some British and American government offices along with theaters showing their films. During an attaack on a theater, one device went off in the attacker's pocket and the operation was literally and figuratively blown. While I admire many individual Israelis, I don't trust any of your governments. Don't feel too badly, I don't trust the Bush Administation either.

You see that it is the Arabs who change facts. So it is the Arabs who should be likely suspect, not Israel. Or do you believe Israel was involved in the attaks on the US, Europe, Indonesia, Algeria, Egypt..., in the tsunami, AIDS, etc.?

IMHO, Ahmadinejad, the former PM of Indonisia and London Mayor Ken Livingstone are clearly way over the top, the first being a true nut case. I also don't believe in any way shape or form that Isreali Black Ops include 9/11 or attackes in the region in Egypt and Jordan. But Israeli Black Ops (SHABAK or IF) are a reality. There are 3 events that come quickly to mind during the last few years. The most infamous was the IDF light transport poorly disguised as a bomb-laden Palestinian ambulance. Then there are at least 2 mysterious car bombs that were found just in time and safely exploded in such a way as to demonstrate a specacular show while maintaining maximum security. My favorite was the 16 year-old reluctant Palestinian bomber. First, it was the only time I-F Checkpoint guards asked questions before shooting. The best part was the report that the lad's recruters paid him 100 shekeles, a currency that the Palestinian resistance does not use. I stand by these words no matter what my "dog" will come back with shortly. Here boy, here boy, come on Some Dumb Hyper Dufuss!

Sometimes a fly can tell a big story about a people. A Fly in a Cup of Coffee The English throw out the coffee and leave the cafe. The American demands another cup of coffee The Mexican removes the insect and enjoys the cooffee. The Chinese eats the fly and throws out the coffee. The Dispossessed Palestinian drinks the coffee and eats the fly. The Israaeli sell the coffee to the American and the fly to the Chinese. Then cries his security is endangered and accuse the Palestinians of implanting the fly in his coffee. Accuses Hezbollah, Iranians & Syrians of training a terrorist fly squad and orders Abbas to arrest all flies and prevent them from dropping into a cup of coffee. Imposes on the Americans for military assistance to fght the flies plus a few billion dollars in compenation for seeing the anti-Semitic sentiment of the fly. Dutch

you are lying at everybody and i think you know this.EVERYBODY knows sharon is a mass-murderer and state-terrorist

Interesting the writer did not mention the numerous acts that have been committed by Western Intelligence and Mossad. Israel has publically for years now pursued a policy of trying to destablize and break up countries across the Middle East. Of course they are behind such actions. Just look at how many times the Israelis have been caught spying on their closest ally, Israel knows no loyatly, no restraints. Of course they are quilty. Maybe Israeli society needs to do some soul serarching. The Americans too. Long overdue.

I thought once America is the (not beloved, but whatever)so-called Super-Power?And why do you say: IF ONLY WE HAD SUCH POWER it is the fall of every empire. every empire will fall some time. rome, hellas etcetc

Hi B.Michaels I wasn't in the mood but you made me laugh! You know,the best satyrists on these various forums are all Jews and have the gift of repartee.I have read so many and revelled in reading them all.Which is why I suppose we managed to survive for so many thousands of years trough all vicissitudes. Now,I have yet to read any of those(if you know who I mean)ever,ever manage to give us a bit of a break with some humour,a bit of a laugh to dispel the dark side of events. You must know that we say when we become too morbid: "Don't be such a Jeremiah". Poor Jeremiah had some troubles but he bore them well and didn't give up completely,but the saying still stands.But this applies to us Jews because Jeremiah was a Jew,and thank the lord for that.They cannot take our Jews away from us,SO THERE! Keep up the good work S

Oh Israel would live and let live if the murderers that surround them would let them be. Your observations are way off kilter as usual and I'm not going to respond to them...I will just say that you show your anti-Israel bias daily by your stupid posts.

Amazing how this DUTCH PRETENDER continues to read shamelessly from her talking points as if they are the fruit of her geniuos mind. There is no one here who takes her seriously or even read her yet she goes on ,as if in a trance ,to spew her PA propganda to the walls,to the air ,hoping to snare some naive for five minutes. Without a doubt she contaminates this board,makes it impossible to have real conversation . LIVE AND LET LIVE takes the cake of hypocracy. what the PA wants is for the JEWS to die.We heard it from them loud and clear.But this phoney here hopes the the dumb world will read her chicken manure and believe that this is what the PA wants. The good old days are gone for the PA. the world knows the truth and cries over the wasted dollars it sent over there to a bottomless pit of cruelty and corruption. Now lets hope that this post will see the light of day even though it was not written by DORRIS.

Patrick stated "Nowadays, Israelis like to commit false-flag attacks and arrange to have them blamed on Muslims and Arabs. That`s not hard to do when you also control most of the mass media in the West and have politicians and key government employees in your pocket" Of course, people like him only mention the two legs of the world that the Jews secretly control. Obviously in his haste, he forgot about the world financial system which is falsely claimed to be under the control of the Jews. Time to take a good look in the mirror Patrick when describing that anti-Semitism definition.

"The sooner these types in the Middle East take personal responsibility for their own detrimental actions and that of their unprofessional leadership, the sooner they can stop whining for international sympathy and support and instead start applying those vast energies expended for building a much needed future for their people". Lavi, Please be realistic how can "these types in the Middle East " stop whinning about what Israel is doing to their Palestinian brothers everyday in the occupied territories--at checkpoints, etc.. They feel their humiliation at checkpoints; when the Israeli soldiers block their way so they cannot get to their fields; their jobs, their schools and clinics or visit other family members in the area. Now that's just how a people grow and thrives being free to move at their will. But not the Palestinian people they are driven into despair and are held captives in their own land by 19 or 20 year old Israeli soldiers who are themselves held captives by the state to serve Israel by oppressing their neighbors. Last year, when some soldiers and pilots refused to serve in the Palestinian terrritories they said they felt it was not serving Israel or keeping Isrealis safe. Indeed, they felt it was keeping Israel unsafe as it was creating an existential threat to the state. Such Isreali Patriots! Thus, if some ordinary Israeli servicemen are worried about what their government is doing to the the Palestinian people daily in the territories how can you expect these other types in the Middle East to go on about their business and expand their energies when their Arab brothers are suffering? That would be uncaring. Besides as the American scholar and philosopher Ralph Waldo Emerson noted in 1844: "It is a doctrine alike of the oldest and of the newest philosophy, that man is one, and that you cannot injure any member, without a sympathetic injury to all the members". Dutch

SCHLOKY Friend Wonderful to read such an intelligent and worthy post to some of us who perhaps are not as intelligent and may ponder,while others may scoff. Your judgement is profound and direct. Thank you.A shame we do not have journalists who write for this newspaper that do not have the capability or show initiative for what should be as their main by claim by that I mean loyalty,love and respect toward their country and citizens with the same zeal and calibre you have espoused. I/we couldn't have said it better! You have enumerated all the accomplishments of our Country and its Citinzenry. Great Post I Commend you! S

Gil, I think that it is the unpalatable nature of facts that the powerful, educated and wealthy find difficult. If you are brought up to believe that by virtue of your religion or ethnic group that you should possess a dominant role in the world, then to face daily reminders of your inadequacy must be difficult. I think there is also a degree of dynamic to this self-deception which requires considerable strength to break away. Many years ago someone told me that in 1948 the Arabs with their warrior identity expected to sweep the pathetic Jews from the battlefield with a mere sweep fo the hand. Yet when the Jews fought and won, they could not cope with this reality and chose to hide in self-deception, the shock being far to great to handle.

To the REAL Ben :) Ben - no there isnt a point in arguing - I provided fact - anyone can go look it up. As for the Israeli supreme court - surely you dont take them seriously! No one does! And no they cant judge a one man butt kicking contest - how many of thier recent "decisions" make any sence OR have any legal background. With no constitution or set of laws - its fly by the seat of your pants justice. Thats how you kick 8000 jews out of thier LEGAL homes (they werent trailers or caravan, but homes they payed taxed on). I dont care about your tail, or your tale - a sad one that it is. Some patriot you are - you hate your own people and the very country you live in. Is Israel perfect? no, have they always made the best decisions? no - but who has. If you want to give your home to some Hamas member, if that will make you sleep well at night - go ahead. We the Jewish people WONT give ourr homes to the enemy, we wont give in to arab terror, we wont let them or anyone else take our land. Gaza proves the point - as did every OTHER capitulation to the arabs. History - religious or not is a witness to the fact. NUFF SAID. (no go blame the Mossad for this post).

And a white man met an Asian, and blamed his country for bombing Pearle Harbor. The Asian goes, it wasn't us the chinese, it was the Japanese. The white man goes;- " Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese, all same same". The Asian goes aren't you Jewish, and you sunk the Tytanic. The white man goes, it was the iceburg. The asian goes, Iceburg, Goldburg, Rosenburg, all same same.

Tariq, although the British government in conjunction with the French sought to prevent the Egyptians taking control of the Suez Canal, they failed to do so. The USA came to the aid of Egypt in 1956 and opposed British - French action, forcing the British - French to withdraw. The British and French did take over and define via the League of Nations the states that canme about after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire at the end of WW1. Interestingly however the British had spent the previous century urging the Ottomans to reform to prevent the creeping disintegration of the Empire. Mubarak, Fahd etc regimes are merely descendents of existing regimes that existed prior to the USA's active involvment in the region. There is no real evidence to suggest that alternative regimes would have used the money better. The Middle East is composed sadly of societies that have yet to obtain the degree of political maturity that the western democracies enjoy. In the west this was brutal experience and one hopes that the Arab world will learn from this. But unfortunately there are few signs to indicate that they have. So it is highly likely they will continue to blame everyone else, until the time comes when the situation is so unbearable that they walk the same bloody path as the west. There are plenty of young men in the Middle East to be sacrificed on the battle fields. Perhaps when 60,000+ die as they did on the Somme in one day the taste for violence will fade away, and the bloody truth will be unavoidable.

Could all these hiding of medical files by Soha Arafat be that she does not want to be known as wife of an AIDS patient!!!!!? That would make life in Paris very difficult and boring for her.

After reading the posts on this site I discovered that that JOHANES is really a Mossad agent and a traitor to the Palestinian cause. This is very easy to figure out. 1- JOHANES knows many details about the assassination of Arafat. Only a Mossad agent would have such detailed knowledge that has eluded all other intelligence agencies and the medical professionals. 2- JOHANES?s lies are so sophisticated and devious that they are well beyond the capability of anyone but the Jews. 3- JOHANES changes history and makes outlandish stories. Every Muslim knows that Jews are the ones who changed their Torah and therefore have experience in changing books and facts. 4- JOHANES is spending all his time writing on this board which means that his income source is based on spying on the pro-Palestinians who post here. 5- Last but not least whenever we want to uncover a crime we have to see who is going to benefit from it. Since JOHANES?s outrageous anti-Semitic lies make people believe that anti-Semitism is still around then he must be Jewish.

"The phenomenon has a profound influence on the Arab world - so profound, in fact, that it has created a sort of alternative, parallel reality, perceived by many to be true." Mr. Bachar's analysis is correct. In much of Arab society, myth and conspiracy theory suppress the truth, like dark clouds blocking rays of the sun. This has stunted the development of Arab society, leaving it stuck in medieval times while the rest of the world, including Israel, moves forward. Facing the truth, no matter how unpleasant, and responding to it with reason and logic is always the best way to improve your situation. The Palestinians are a prime example of a defective society. Even after Israel withdrew from Gaza, they continue to blame all of thier own problems, the crime, gansterism, terrorism, chaos, on Israel. As if the IDF checkpoints are still there in Gaza, "preventing" the Pal security from establishing law and order. These are like the imaginary checkpoints, described by Mr. Bachar in the above article, that limit them from developing into a normal society.

Some of you, jokingly, to proof your point mentioned Israel being responsible for last years Tsunami. Oh well, in case, you didn't know some "educated academics" in Arab world said the same thing but seriously. Don't you remember some University Group in Saudi Arabia, explained by saying that there was an underground nuclear explosion (by who but Israel and US) that caused the Tsunami, I am serious, they actually did blame Israel for Tsunami too. It is strange that somethings in the arab world don't need any proof, as long as it is nice to hear it, then it must be true.

as "bright" as the Germans when they planned and carried out the mass murder ( the word is genocide ) of the Armenian people?? And what brilliant lawmaker legislated that specific law which says that any person that mentions the butchering of the Armenians will be arrested and sent to the slammer? I think the penalty is 8 years in jail for only mentioning the Armenian slaughter. And answer me this, Mehmet, do you admit that the Turks, out of racist hatred butchered innocent men, women and children? Perhaps Turks living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. They might shatter their cozy perspective of history. As for atrocities, has Israel ever said that it has nukes, or that they will be used against any of its neighbors? If so, please elaborate. In the meantime the only ones that have threatened to wipe Israel off the map ( erase ) are Iran and several other Arab countries so who do you think is the biggest threat in the area?

Funny how Johan Franzen, a man who runs a Holocaust denial site should come up with an issue of ?no doubt? in regards to the death of Yasser Arafat. Tell me Johann, are you a practicising physician? If so, GP or speciality (and if so, what specialty). Are you an expert in poisons (aside from the verbal kind)? Think carefully before you respond. Remember, it was only a few months ago that the Senate Majority Leader, Dr. Bill Frist (Cardiology) was made a fool following his supposed diagnosis of the now late Terry Shaivo on the floor of the US Senate. What would be of greater interest beyond your potential medical degree is this: do you have a copy of Arafat?s medical records? If not, why no doubt? The fact remains that Yasser Arafat was an elderly man in failing health. Remember, just a short 12 months prior to his death, he required major secretive surgery, which resulted in a medical team getting flown in to Ramallah to perform the operation. Possible illness? Certainly given the family history. Arafat?s younger brother died in Cairo within weeks of his death, from a well-documented case of cancer. What is well known is this. No autopsy was performed on Yasser Arafat. The body is lying in Ramallah. Any question as to the cause of his death was well within reach. But covered up, literally, by the Palestinians themselves. The simple solution to the question of what killed Arafat is through an autopsy. So one digs up the body, and produces the official medical records. Otherwise, all else is speculation, and likely quite wrong.

which is not that difficult...but you did it well.....

Here is Gabe1 aka The ID Thief, talking (#90)to Pace306 about my beloved tail: "I was very impressed with your reply to that Left wing Ben Gurion as respecting the Geneva Convention. He was "outsmarted" but as usual failed to concede. He just made a few snide remarks and ran with his tail between his legs." - Gabe1/The BG thief And here is what I said earlier to Pace (the "snide remarks"): "Pace, you have done me a favor. All I need to do is quote you, and everybody will immediately understand that there is no point discussing matters with you: "As for the "Israeli Supreme Court" - no offense - but they couldnt judge a one legged man butt kicking contest. Consisting of leftists, communists and traitors.." - 306 paces (at least it feels this way)" - The real Ben Gurion Thank God (or G-d for The Thief), I found my tail. It was just between my legs. I must be getting really old, forgetting such a thing. (Will turn 120 years old in 2006). Compared to dealing with such people as Gabe1 and Pace, death doesn't look so bad after all.

Ben-Laden:- Created by the Americans to combat the Soviets in Afghanistan. AlZarkawi:- A convict, who was interestingly given a pardon from a prison sentence. According to people who live in his neighberhood Zarqa, a loser, a gangster, but not a leader with any ideology. Definetly an easy recruit useful for the Americans and his role started emmidiately after the Americans invaded Iraq. The Americans: Claim that they also went to Iraq to fight terror and Al-Qaeda. Terror! Alqaeda in Iraq under Saddam Hussein, that sounds funny and redicules. No terrorist has even dared to dreame in his deep sleep to be a terrorist when Saddam was in power. Logic:- The Americans had a good reason to look like fighting terrorists and not Iraqi freedom fighters against the occupation, this would be acceptable by the American Public and by the world public opinion. "We have the monster to fight now, we have the Zarkawi". Definetly an American creation by all means. Hamas suicide bombing timing always suitable for Israel, something to think about!. Hamas a creation by Israel to fight nationalistic movements! something to think about!. Possibility of a conspiracy theory! something to think about!.

Here is the response to the "Dutch Commandments" 1.) Be more trust worthy--say what you mean Say what you mean....Stop attacking or we will kick your butts...Can't mean more than that 2.) Stop creating facts on the ground Facts are what they are. Arabs and Palestinians are the greatest spin weavers and bullshitters of all time!! 3.) Return what is not yours. Return what is not yours?? Maybe, but to whome?? Gaza belongs to Egypt. West Bank belongs to Jordan. Peace treaties finalized. No complaints from either of them so return it to who??? 4.) Extend the hand of friendship not the arms of war. When someone comes to your door with a rifle and shoots at you it is difficult to extend a hand. 5.) Respect your neighbors --your rights do not come before theirs Your neighbours can only command the respect that they themselves give. 6.) check out of the superior category --the chosen ones. Nobody in Israel thinks that it is superior. They just know they are. 7. ) Live and Let Live! Live and let live when you have not been attacked by your "neighbours with the extended hands of friendship in 1948, 1967, and 1973?? HOW IS THAT FOR FACTS ON THE GROUND??? "DUTCH"

Yonatan wrote: "Scapegoating Jews haw always been a favorite device of the anti-Semites. Now it`s scapegoating Israel, a disease that pervades all of Arab society, even Muslim communities living outside the Middle East." Let us not forget the origin of the term. The scapegoat was a Hebrew invention. Nowadays, Israelis like to commit false-flag attacks and arrange to have them blamed on Muslims and Arabs. That's not hard to do when you also control most of the mass media in the West and have politicians and key government employees in your pocket.

I direct this to all the really intelligent people that are interested in intellectual discourse. THis is not directed to the usual CACAPHONY of frauds that purport themselves to be people they are not. Yes you know who you are, the Khalids the Azzams, The Mustaphas, and all the rest. You are all in one club, the Club of Arab Propaganda. Yasser Arafat was and always will be simply a criminal mastermind. From his days orchestrating assassinations on athletes to killing infants in their mothers arms having a coffee. His biggest claim to fame should be his embezzlement of billions of dollars "donated" to the Palestinian people. Look at his swiss bank accounts and how his skanky wife is living high of the hog, courtesy of Palestinian misery. Yes of course he was assissinated by the Mossad!! Everybody that ever came in contact with him was a Mossad agent!! His food testers were Mossad agents. Possible??? Maybe. Probable?? Highly Unlikely. The very revolt that would have taken place in the West Bank and Gaza had he been assassinated would have been insane. If every Palestinian believed that to be true they would have taken to the streets with rocks and sticks and attacked every Israeli in their path. Unfortunately Evil begets Evil. He sold out his people so he could line his pockets at their expense. He kept his people in misery when other options were open to him. He threatened and murdered anyone that opposed him. Hamas and all the other "Baddies" didn't run rampant in the streets without his say so. Therefore who is the real criminal??? The Mossad, while quite creative and talented cannot be blamed for every "negative" occurence in the Middle East. George W. Bush would certainly have acted on Mossad provided information to the French intelligence agencies regarding September 11. However, he either didn't know (difficult to believe) or didn't want to. Was 911 a Mossad / U.S. conspiracy?? Maybe partially in that Bush chose to ignore the signs to further his plunging ratings with the AMerican people. Nobody could every believe that his determination to attack Iraq would have him and his intel operatives come up with such a Tom Clancy plot!!! Does the Arab world believe that the Mossad is to blame for everything?? OF course, why look at anything else when you can blame the Jews!!! History demonstrates to us that where there was a scourge to be found, it was always the Jews. The Crusades, The Inquisition, The Holocaust, and now the days of "Blame it on Israel". How very convenient for our Arab friends to blame their woes on Israel. Even the countries that are at "peace" such as Jordan and Egypt probably have the bulk of their populations against it. Why make peace with a technologically advanced society that can pull water out of the desert?? Why make peace with a country that developed one of THE largest pharmaceutical firms in the world?? Why make piece with a country that can claim medical research and leadership at the forefront of the world?? BECAUSE that is the Arab way. Don't get up and work at it, fix it, blame it on the Jews. Or Better Yet lets get into a round of "Allah Said" or "Allah Commands it". Nothing will ever change in the Arab world until the powers that be decide to educate the masses on what is real and what is true. Think about this for a long hard minute..... Why would Arab leaders allow their people to take the time to figure out that their despair comes largely from corruption, mismanagement, and stupidity??? Why not just find a convenient outlet for your populations hostility that will feed into your power base. Who does it??? The Saudis Do it The Syrians Do it The Lebanese Do it The Pakistanis Do it (But are trying to stop) Lets go on and on.....lets do The Arab Shuffle.

what cancer lynn? AIDS, period and because of this suha brought him to france and not other country.

Yohanes, about your logic and claim that Arafat was assasinated by Israel and the fact that none of the doctors in the world can say how. First, remember that the news is not straightforward and there are some dark spots in it, because Arafat had AIDS, and your own leaders decided to sweep the whole issue under the rug, remember, the records are not publicized yet by French, but Pals leadership can do it easyly, why don't they do it? Second, even if your assertion is true, which you have no proof about it, don't forget that most probably, it was done by an insider, one of your own, otherwise, no matter how sophisticated Mossad really is, there must have been at least one Arab hand that did the final act, with so many poeple around him during those days and every TV camera focused on that building, it is hard to imagine that Mossad agents walked in and said, here Mr. Arafat we have a nice meal for u tonight !!!

Hello BG No/2? Are you the "Lefty" or the other,for which I complimented? Do please let me know. If you are the no/2 you have sent the other one running away with the tail between his legs for sure.We'll see eh? He may still come back and there will be some harsh debating no doubt. Best of Luck S

Whether Yassir Arafat was assassinated or not is not going to pay Pal civil servants their salaries. If you really do care and show so much interest in bettering the lot of the Pals and since you have "inside information?" into the hidden details of Mr. Arafat's death, the correct thing to do is to look for all the stolen monies and illegal accounts that Mr Arafat accumulated with his cronies during his reign. Just from skimming every single importation of fuel, cement and practically everything he could get his hands on, Mr. Arafat became one of the richest men in the world Just think HOW those billions of dollars, euros, etc which were supposed to go to the Pal people in the first place, could improve education, health and welfare for the Pals. Instead of dwelling on the so called intricate details of a possible Mossad operation, why don't you try to unravel one of the biggest stings in recent history, billions of dollars in cash that just seemed to vanish into thin air.

well, no one can deny the successes of the Mossad around the world, benefiting from a well planned and well funded organization to the availability of recruites from around the world. Moreover, it is the daring and well connected Mossad that makes a difference. Arab intelligence agencies are total failures. The only thing they can do for the most part is to protect the corrupt and criminal government they represent and for the most part do not read and write let alone speak over 120 languages such as the case with the Mossad. More over, Mossad serve a country, Arab intelligence serve the dictator. Let us not forget the major role played by the Mossad in creating the conditions which forced many Jews to leave the Arab world, and let us not forget the success of the Mossad in creating security breeches within many Arab capitals and having on the payroll heads of states and many others. Yes, the Mossad is not invincible, but at the same time, let us not down play its role within Arab capitals. What else do we expect Arab intelligence to say when there is a major breech of security? Of course they will say it is the Mossad as if it makes it look better than saying they failed. If I was the Mossad, I will organize a paid training course for all Arab intelligence. At least they can put intelligence where it is missing, in the brains of those leading Arab intelligence.

Mazen wrote: "The Lavon affair, "`Eseq Ha Bish", the activites of the zionist underground in Iraq, and the series of assassinations of the Palestinian leaders and activists just show that some of things that are presented here as "conspiracy theory" could actually be done by Israel, despite the denial of the apologists at MOFA." Very true. Don't forget to add the attack on the USS Liberty by unmarked Israeli planes and boats that also tried to jam all the US Navy frequencies so the US crew couldn't call for help. Fortunately, the American crew did manage to get a message out calling for help and identifying their attackers as Israeli. Otherwise, it would have probably gone down in history as a dastardly EGYPTIAN attack with an appropriately severe US response. The Israelis planted a transmitter in Libya in the 80's to fool the Americans with false messages inferring Libyan connections with terrorist attacks. That succeeded in producing an American bombing run on Libya which killed a young child of Qaddafi, among other innocent victims of this Israeli false-flag operation.

Wasn't Iceberg a Zionist ??

Dear Dutch, A good list to start, however, please add the following to your list: Take responsibility for your action. Stop asking for something that is not yours, put blame where it belongs, and finally, force all arabs to read the list. It is interesting that a thug can issue an audio tape in Afghanestan, and entire 1.2 billion moslems beleive it, without any evidence, without any doubt, typical moslem mentality.

Hi Tariq You have made a very good point friend. You really touched a nerve there. The times that I have said this and had no response is endless. I will say it once more although you have put the blame where it belongs.It has been going on for not only decades but at least a couple of centuries. The Brits have much to answer for and we all know the facts. I don't for a moment want to begin with Israel for which much damage was done by them to MY PEOPLE THE JEWS. But,this aside do we not know that Kuwait is an artificially created country,so is Jordan and Saudi Arabia.What's more even Iraq was given its rise through our beloved Churchil when he said: I have just given a Country away with a sign of MY PEN! So, the Brits with their colonialiazetion of the many coutries during the Raj etc.The list is endless. The French are culprits too,let's not forget for one moment.They are now reaping what they sowed and suffering from their mistakes are they not? So,let's put the blame where it belongs. However,you must agree surely that the Arabs have not moved an inch since & are stuck in their mentality,living still in the seventh century and not come forward to the 21st where most of world has moved. The wealthy sheiks are living it up and just rely on their revenues and to hell with the rest of humanity,in particular toward their brethren.They only manage to foment,but not help or solve anything.Shame on the lot of them. Good post I commend it S

Ben - the issue is that the Left always starts off 1) without using logic - they use emotion and the facts be damned 2) with "the jews are always wrong ... Opps not Jews, Israelis". When you can look at any problem LOGICALLY - the truth emerges. All I did yesterday was google the Geneva Conevention and cut and paste - LOGIC. You can see the craziness of thier postings - How Arafart was some kind of hero - he surely brought the Pals fame and fortune! LMAO, How 2000+ years of Israeli/Jewish History is worthless (anyone elses is great just not the Jews) and it goes on and on. You expect that kind of trash from the arabs and leftists on the boards here - they are one and the same, but its sad when a fellow jew (of any type or religious background) takes the position of the enemy (people whos sworn goal is to destroy you). This is what caused the destruction of the second temple - Jews fighting with each other - and how Bar Kamsa sold out his fellow Jews to the Romans - as some fellow jews here sell out thier bretherin to the arabs (Gaza). The battle is just beginning - with Sharon and his plans for Jerusalem. Theres lots of work to do - the best revenge to any of the Jew haters here - is the continued reclamation of our country - ISRAEL ! Aliyah continues to grow - depsite Belien, Peres and the like. The Gaza withdrawl proved the arabs cant keep thier words nor thier mongrel populace under control. I'll be here as often as possible to answer and defend our traditions, our people, our way of life, and our country (all of which was here thousands of years before the haters here).

When blind Jo. Franzen's free speech picks a murder suspect without any proof of guilt his conclusive sentence is: "He did it so smart we have to punish him even harder!" (2006!)

please, inform from did you get your info? did you ever met mossad operative? you are extremely wrong, nazis did not include most bright germans and mossad is extremely propalestinian and leftwing. this is personsl experience, i knew quite a number of high mossad executives.

I was very impressed with your reply to that Left wing Ben Gurion as respecting the Geneva Convention. He was "outsmarted" but as usual failed to concede. He just made a few snide remarks and ran with his tail between his legs. Truth. That what we must be bringing to the Left wing and this paper. Well done.

Serge He forgot the dreadful earth quake in Pakistan,also in Iran. And when prior to their problems were rejoicing about the disasters in Florida. Not a word of compasion about the people's suffering in Florida was there? Surprise,surprise! Cynical is the word suited for them all. Salute to all my friends here S S

Of all the things Israel gets credit/blamed for if half were true it would mean that Israel could infiltrate and control much of the world. Gee, wonder why then that things have been so rough. You'd think with all that power and manipulative ability Israel would've cleared the worls of arabs already (that's what you say she wants to do)no?

I absolutely love Johannes. I personally believe he is a Mossad plant. The absurdness of his claims make all 'real' theorists look bad. Johannes makes the Jews look good by making stupid remarks. We need more Johanneses in the world. Keep it up!!

Nat No doubt about it! This proves without having to apologize that we Jews are definitely the CHOSEN! We'll let them stew in their perververtion. Nuff Said S

"As regards money to UNWRA etc.. maybe they should just divert the aid Israel gets instead?" Since when has Israel every gotten anything from the UN? The United States gives aid to those they want, and the UN and EU can go suck an egg if they don't like it. Ain't their money.

Hi Natalie This will never end.Did we not also hear that the tsunami was attributed to the Israel. After that it is a futile exercise to even bother in replying to those who are ignorant and will remain so,tough luck! S

Arafat (May he rot in Hell)(MHRIH) was assassinated by the little boys that he liked so much to play with. Have not the french let you in on that dirty litlle secret.I guess they are too polite and politically correct to boot. Face it. Your icon died of aids pure and simple.

...and I really am about to stop reading them as I am getting soooo bored...and then there will be nobody reading them...and you will be paid $9/hr with no readers...

Arafat was known to have a penchant for young men. If he had AIDS there would be the mother of all efforts to keep it quiet. Dont you remember the excruciating drama in France when the PA top brass sought to placate a livid Suha Arafat who was threatening all kinds of mayhem and she was saying that they were trying to bury him alive, so obviously a very complex situation. His homosexual tendencies have been attested to by numerous sources, including a now infamous set of surveillance videos taken by his former communist allies in Romania showing Arafat in perverted encounters with his bodyguards. Little did Arafat know that Lt.-Gen. Ion Pacepa, the deputy chief of Romania's intelligence service, had rigged his guest suites with surveillance equipment. In his book ?Red Horizons?, Pacepa unveils Arafat as an insatiable homosexual by recalling a telephone conversation with Constantin Munteaunu, a general assigned to the PLO. So you see, my explanation is far shorter than yours and more importantly it makes perfect sense and is corroborated to some extent, unlike your convoluted James Bond scenario. Occams razor Johanes, occams razor!

The best thing is having Arafat flown to France for medical treatment. France where inheritance law means all of his wealth goes to..... Mrs Arafat automatically. I think that is the case anyway. PA then had to pay her off.

J. Franzen says there is no proof Arafat was assasinated nor can any doctor prove it, J. Franzen says nobody has a clue how it was done: "ALL the doctors in this world, studying the medical files, still can`t come up with the answer on how it was done ... blahblah." This leaves him to only one possible conclusion: "There can really be no doubt about it, Arafat was assassinated, well planned and well advertised, by: The Mossad!" - - - Look at it from the bright side, sick J. Franzen: Paranoia in perfection heals lonelyness by 100%!

make it a new years resolution to get some sensitivity traing on how to co exist with minorites(esp.Jews)...And understanding different cultures.

I didn't think that people still subscribed to that conspiracy theory. Come on! The guy had cancer for years. Everyone was surprised that he lived as long as he did. Assassination? You're really reaching there Johannes.

Only Mrs. Arafat can come clean on her husband's death. It does not behoove her to allow the doctors to tell the truth. It is called patient/doctor privilege taken to a new height.

I suppose soon when these "Blame Israel First" types are even constipated they'll blame the Mossad for dumping loads of irresistible, sweet bananas in the shuks or other places of shopping for well below market prices! The sooner these types in the Middle East take personal responsibility for their own detrimental actions and that of their unprofessional leadership, the sooner they can stop whining for international sympathy and support and instead start applying those vast energies expended for building a much needed future for their people.

You obviously didn't read what I wrote. I wasn't blaming all on the West! As regards money to UNWRA etc.. maybe they should just divert the aid Israel gets instead? What is your point? All Muslims/Arabs are bad. All Westerners are good?

I have no clue if they did or did NOT - but even if they did - so what? They did the world a favor! Franzen - is this piece of human trash YOUR personal hero? Whos hero is he exactly? He was a terrorist, a murderer, he blew up buses with children on them, he killed athletes. The "man" was nothing more then pond scum. (Blah blah Sharon Sabra and Shatila ... Sharon didnt pick up a gun or plant a bomb no matter HOW you spin it). Independence from the British? We here in the USA did it too - unless you think George Washington and Arafart are the same thing?

How could you have forgotten the Tsunami of 2005 ?

Yonatan, I wasn't commenting on whether the Brits were pro or anti Israel/Palestine. I was suggesting that without British actions there may not be a state of Israel. I still think this as do many Arabs. And I am not trying to blame everything on the West but Britain does have a great history in messing up regions!

Good Point- The Middle East was a battleground for the Cold War. Still prior to the Iraqi regime supported by the Soviets was in power the country was run by Roaylty installed I think by the UK? Anyway what I was trying to say was the Arabs can't blame everything on the outside world but to deny outside influence is also wrong whether it be the West or East.

So.You yourself say there is no proof Arafat was assasinated, you say no doctor can prove it, you say nobody has a clue how it was done, and in the same breath you say that it is a hard rock fact with no ifs, ands or buts about it that Israel killed Arafat. When you can villify a country and its people, engrain in your own head as fact something which clearly you know has absolutely no basis in reality and (let me quote you) "ALL the doctors in this world, studying the medical files, still can`t come up with the answer on how it was done" then you are obviously coming from a pre defined position which is based solely on your equally baseless disgust of Jews. No other place. By the way. ALL the doctors in this world DO NOT give a rats ass about Arafat's death. And when the odd one out did try to see if he was poisoned, they concluded that he wasnt. You are blinded by your antisemitism. Open your eyes, fight your real enemies. B"H

OK so he was assassinated, or snuffed, or whatever, but where is the cash, the money, the honey? Did the Mossad split it with Suha?

Which West Bank restaurant send food to Arafat? the chef and the other staff knows more information about Arafat favourit food. Did the IDF stopped the car which bring food to Arafat and started searching it?

Well that Arafat was assassinated there really can be no doubt about and the mere fact that all the doctors in the world can't come up with one single clue as to how it was done is a fact that rather proves the sofistication of the assassination. Now Mossad can through up its hands in the air and claim innocence and have the whole Hasbara department trying to link the assassination of Arafat to a whole bunch of conspericy theories and thus cloud the issue, as done in this rather feeble attempt by Gideon Bachar, but the fact remains that somehow and by someone Yasser Arafat was assassinated and my bet is on the Mossad. "Oh yeah blame Israel", well wasn't the whole reason for this article to silence the critics of the deception of the Mossad as the tool for their operations. To claim that anybody BUT the Mossad assassinated Yasser is the real conspiracy nuts theory. He was held hostage by Israel and Israel alone was providing for the food into the Muqata. It wasn't a clumsy assassination, it was well planned and well advertised. Israel made no secret about it's plan to assassinate Yasser Arafat and assassination is an Israeli speciality thus the problems for ALL the doctors in this world, studying the medical files, still can't come up with the answer on how it was done. They sure have perfected it, but sooner or later, if there's a will, the method will be exposed. Then the conspiracy nuts can clame that it was anybody but those that had constantly threatened to do it and had him surrounded until they did, The Mossad.

1.) Be more trust worthy--say what you mean. Which Mid East nation should Israel aspire to? 2.) Stop creating facts on the ground What does this have to do with the topic? 3.) Return what is not yours. Return to whom? The land was disputed. It was not sovereign territory so there is no one to return it to.It will have to be negotiated for, and right now there is only chaos and confusion in Gaza and the W.Bank.Too bad. 4.) Extend the hand of friendship not the arms of war. Tell that to Islamic jihad and al aqsa.It takes two. 5.) Respect your neighbors --your rights do not come before theirs Israel does . Thats why they signed peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan. Its a shame the Pals dont have a King Hussein or an Anwar Sadat. Statesmen/Leaders are thin on the ground in the Territories. 6.) check out of the superior category --the chosen ones. Are you still sore about the covenant? Remember, God offered the covenant to all the nations and only the Hebrews accepted. What to do. What to do? 7. ) Live and Let Live! Absolutely. Now if only the Arabs had the same attitude in 1948 we could all be one big happy family. Maybe they can still change their minds? I would like to take the liberty of adding an eighth suggestion, as follows: 8.)Foreign agitators who seek to propagandise and encourage DISTRUST amongst Jew and Arab should desisist in their efforts to divide the 2 peoples and instead engage in more genuine efforts to foster a better understanding between the parties concerned. Thats You Dutch.

I read today that on the last day of the year a US Border Patrol Officer killed a Mexician illegal alien. "Raul Martinez, a spokesman for the Border Patrol said the agent had been "assaulted by an individual who threw a large size rock." What is the US coming to, killing somebody for throwing a rock. Heck if it was here the UN Security Council would be meeting over this. Must have been a Mossad job, since it shows the US is no better than Israel.

Dear Haaretz, You have my sympathy. There's nothing like being blamed by your own poeple for problems they have failed to trace back to their government. I think it's about time Isrealis gave up their herd instinct and question itheir government's motives. They are not that kosher.... Dutch

Both Mossad and the CIA have engaged in operations which were intended to discredit other nations. The most famous of Mossad's was "Operation Susannah" which involved terrorist bombings and the arson of US AID libraries in Egypt. Israel has also promoted a mythology of Mossad omnipotence. Thus it is not surprising that folks who wish to blame everything on Israel or the US, find it easy to blame the Mossad and CIA.

Can you restate your words again.... I can not see your point....

Shalom Freedman, Nothing is ever one sided. The Isrealis have a big accountability problem too. Daily on this forum they blame the Arabs for problems their government have created in the name of security to keep their people embedded in a war culture so that they can go on building illegal settlements and suppress the Palestinian population. It amazes me and others around the world how Isrealis can be so much like sheep. They need to give up their herd instinct... Dutch

The Chinese, Koreans, & Japanese also had to put up with imperialist superpowers meddling in their affairs, but because they didn't waste time blaming others, they are doing just fine. Don't you think Muslims should learn from them how to make it instead of mindlessly waving the Korans?

Mazen, Isreal will always be a likely suspect because they have a known history of changing facts on the ground? Dutch

Shows you that Haaretz's "journalists" have been hidding under a rock for years. Since when hasnt it been "Blame the Jews"? They tried to blame 9/11 on the Jews as well (didnt work). Rule #1 in spinning - blame someone/something most people dont know/care about - ie the Jews. Even here in the US - Ive met people who've NEVER met a Jewish person! So, the arabs spin - they learned well - from thier friends in the 3rd Reich. (Haaretz may not print this due to the fact that they want to hide the association of the Pal Mufti and Her Hitler). I wish he Mossad was as good as the arabs claim it is - personally - I think they been on a downwards slide for some time. The arabs, who havent contributed much to humanity in the last 1000 years (unless you count slavery and terrorism) have no one to blame but themselves for these things. Is the Mossad/CIA/MI6/KGB active - yes - are they the blame all - NO. (But this an Haaretz article - so you KNOW the truth is the opposite of what they print!).

I worked with a Jamaican women when I was young and one of her comments really floored me. She said that if her son married a white woman she would disown him. I don't think that this makes her a racist. I would not like my children to marry outside of my faith but would not be opposed if they married a Falasha.Does that make me a racist. I don't think so. I live in a Jewish neighbourhood and all of my friends outside of work are Jewish, I like movies that have a Jewish or Israeli slant and listen only to Oldies (english) or Israli music and enjoy "Sephardi music" the best ( I am ashkenazi and never lived in Israel. Does that make me a racist? I don't think so. I have friends who are born again Christians and we gwt along and have some very good debates. I have Pakistani muslim friends and again we get along and have som very good discusions. All peoples favour their own and I am no different. I don't aspire to assimilate and be like my neighbours and they don't aspire to be like the Jews. I don't think that I or they are racists. I dislike the Muslims and Arabs for what they are doing to Israel in particular and believe that in order for both to be happy they and we should be with our own and not be a Mosaic like Canada is. Racism Johnny is in the eyes of the beholder (unless you take it to the extreme)ie Nazis, KKK, Hamas etc. It is a word that has lost its meaning and is bandied about with abandon.

I think the only way the arab world (but also the majority of western countries) can change its attitude towards Israel, despite of its weekness (arab) or despite the will of Palestinians (factions, government and people) of creating their own state, is for Israel to end the occupation from that portion of land it was never assigned: borders were traced in 1947 by the UN partition plan, and never respected by Israel itself! I?m sure all plots would disappear at once, if only Israel respected international law and the rest of the world (arab countries included) gave support to Palestinian national aspirations.

You are absolutely right. Those dastardly British, French, Spanish, Italian and American governments are impeding the progress of the Muslims in general and Arabs in particular. How dare they support the refugees through UNWRA. How dare they stop Iraq from invading Kuwait. How dare they tell Iran they cannot have atomic weapons to threten its neighbours. How dare they station troops on holy Saudi soil to protect Arab from Arab. You see Tareq the Arabs would live in peace and harmony and be democratic without Sharia law if only these dastardly governments would not give them aid. They would also live in Peace with the Jews.

British policy towards Israel, both before and since the foundation of the State of Israel, in fact since the Arab Uprising of 1936-1939, has been almost consistently anti-Israel. If you would like examples and hard facts, I'll present them. Suffice it to bring the example of the British-trained and officered Arab Legion (now Jordanian Legion), commanded by Sir John Glubb (aka Glubb Pasha), the only Arab army which was able to defeat the Israelis in 1948 - in the Etzuin Bloc, at Latrun. in the battle for East Jerusalem. The 1956 Suez Canal thing was but a short interlude, which happened only because British/French and Isreali interests happened to coincide at that particular moment.

1926- Blame the JEWS 1948- Blame the ZIONISTS 1967- Blame ISRAEL 2004- Blame SHARON 2006- Blame MOSSAD (SHARON=ISRAEL=ZIONISTS=JEWS=ARAB RACISM)

R. Davies, as the article by Bachar states,"This phenomenon is prevalent among ALL levels of Arab society, "INCLUDING THE EDUCATED CLASSES" (emphasis added). While it may not be suprising why poor Arabs often believe in conspiracy theories it IS suprising and disturbing that wealthy, educated and intellectual Arabs often do. This is one of the reasons Daniel Pipes suggested in his most recent article (http://www.danielpipes.org/article/3235)that Western broadcasts to Muslim (including Arab) countries would not be effective as were the Radio Free Europe broadcasts were in penetrating the Communist iron curtain, because "Muslims generally and Islamists specifically do not lack for reliable information; much less do they (as did Soviet-bloc populations) prefer Western sources of information to their own."

The Israelis are trustworthy, as far as I am concerned. Another thing is that there are people who are interested in believing those who blame them for everything. This is what happened with Hitler's propaganda. Israel has nothing belonging to others. To state they have is not to pay attention to facts but to propaganda. Israel has extended the hand of friendship many times, and the Arabs have extended the hand of hostility. Israel is willing to respect its neighbors, The neighors don't repect Israel. They even don't recotnize Israel's right to exist. Your post is an example of how Israel is made responsible for others' wrongdoings.

1.) Be more trust worthy--say what you mean Which Mid East nation should Israel aspire to? 2.) Stop creating facts on the ground What does this have to do with the topic? 3.) Return what is not yours. Return to whom? The land was disputed. It was not sovereign territory so there is no one to return it to.It will have to be negotiated for, and right now there is only chaos and confusion in Gaza and the W.Bank.Too bad. 4.) Extend the hand of friendship not the arms of war. Tell that to Islamic jihad and al aqsa.It takes two. 5.) Respect your neighbors --your rights do not come before theirs Isrrael does . Thats why they signed peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan. Its a shame the Pals dont have a King Hussein or an Anwar Sadat. Statesmen/Leaders are thin on the ground in the Territories. 6.) check out of the superior category --the chosen ones. Are you still sore about the covenant? Remember, God offered the covenant to all the nations and only the Hebrews accepted. What to do. What to do? 7. ) Live and Let Live! Absolutely. Now if only the Arabs had the same attitude in 1948 we could all be one big happy family. Maybe they can still change their minds? I would like to take the liberty of adding an eighth suggestion, as follows: 8.)Foreign agitators who seek to propagandise and encourage DISTRUST amongst Jew and Arab should desist in their efforts to divide the 2 peoples and instead engage in more genuine efforts to foster a better understanding between the parties concerned. Thats You Dutch.

I have read that many Muslims in Europe watch Al-Jazeera instead of European TVs.

Jean-Luc, your posts are very difficult to read and understand. Please use spell check and grammar check before sending. Secondly, as usual you are blaming everything on Israel. How about Russia helping Iran build a nuclear reactor or the Palestinians siding with Saddam Hussein during Gulf War I (or the Palestinians siding with the Nazis during WW II)?

Tareq, you are one of the best, but look even at your own message. Did you hear US, Canada or Australia blaming the same Britain for their problems? Soviets created Israel by releasing Zionists from Soviet jails and sending them to the Palestine (Begin for example), by voting in UN and by providing Israel with the only sourse of weapons in 1948, when Britons stayed clear. Without the USSR Israel would be smashed in a matter of days. This was a way to make Arabs to run to Moscow for support. Otherwise, USSR had no footprint in the Middle East. Egipt seized control over Suez which was dug by Britons and has been under their control under some form of a financial agreement (lease? I'm not sure). Syria? It existed for thousands of years. Mubarak, Fahd etc may be not the best by the Western standards, but what other real choice do you have? Are Asad, Saddam or the Iranian gang better? They are not supported by the US. These are your very own... Kuwait, Oman etc DO spend tons of money on their sitizens' education. As for not helping other Arabs - well, they are not alone. As for balming poor, illiterate and misled Arab people for their troubles - you are wrong, we do feel for them. I think the life of an average person in the Middle East is awful. Western press if full of tearful stories about it. But the only way out for Arabs is to start blaming themselves alone - as any normal person would do.

"The Arabs may not have helped themselves as people but the short comings of their leaders can be seen through the relationship with the west in many areas. A Brutal Friendship indeed. I think it is harsh and wrong for you to generalise about a people who are unable to have access to some very basic values and rights." You're wrong Tareq.Many of the Arab regimes like the Syrian,Iraqi,Egyptian,Libyan and Algerian came about due to Soviet and Eastern Bloc direct support and assistance. Those regimes claimed to be revolutionary and pretended for a while to do away with the medieval political and religious structures of their societies the very cause of poverty,social and economic despair of the Arab masses.The communist bloc and its so called assitance have only worsened the situation in those countries and the dictatorships it propped up proved to be as corrupt and inept as their predecessors. The reason they do not have these is actually in some way due to the West. This cannot be denied

Tariq, there is always a question who was the first - egg or chicken. Did Russians deserve Communists or did Communists spoil the Russian people to their present miserable state? Who knows... Both are true. Same with the "Arabs" here - sorry for using the word which implies some generalisation, I don't mean all of you are the same. I feel for citizens of the corrupt regimes. I think the regimes form them in the way they support the rulers anyway. Look even at your examples. Suez - wasn't it dug by British and wasn't there some form of economic agreement which was violated by Egipt in 1956 by nationalizing it? Wasn't Israel created by Soviets as much as by the West? Somehow people forget this was the way for the Russia to create the turmoil in the Middle East and to make Arabs, who would hardly know about Russian existence before 1948, to run to Moscow for weapons and diplomatic support against the western aggression? Without Britain etc there would be some other Arab states. You could argue Kuwait is an artificial creature (I don't know enough Mid East history sorry) but what's wrong about Syria? It existed in some form and different borders for thousands of years... True, US supports lots of corrupt leaders. Would others be better? God knows. Asad is not a Western creature, nor was Saddam. As for waisting money - first, Kuwaiti and other super-rich fols do spent huge money on education. And even of not - why blame US for the way the money is spent? Isn't this the Arabs own business? And God forbid Arabs did not have money - there would be another Africa - do you like it? Isn't it natural for the West to support whoever they see fit and to care first of all about their own interests? I think they actually express more concern for charity and humanitarian cause than Arabs towards themselves. If US prefers Mubarak over Asad or the Iranian gang - is it illegitimate? And which one would you prefer to have as your own dictator? I know, neither of them, but it doesn't seem to be an option...

"The Arabs may not have helped themselves as people but the short comings of their leaders can be seen through the relationship with the west in many areas. A Brutal Friendship indeed. I think it is harsh and wrong for you to generalise about a people who are unable to have access to some very basic values and rights. The reason they do not have these is actually in some way due to the West. This cannot be denied"

He's right in that many in the Muslim world are dissatisfied with their leaders. And the west was sometimes responsible for backing leaders and revolutionaries who would later be corrupt, in order to further their own interests. However, these leaders would not have been able to get to where they were without their own country's support. You can hardly blame the west for the fact that these leaders are STILL in power. If so many are dissatisfied, why don't they do something about it? Europe has had some harsh, corrupt regimes in its past. Democracy (if that's what the Muslim world wants) is a long process. Blaming Israel and the west for the various problems is just a way of diverting attention from the the present regimes. If the posters here are any indication of the general population, they eat it up with a spoon and ask for more.

"Interesting how quickly people diverge from conspiracy theories to Arabs failing to blame themselves for problems in the Arab world." Might be that we are sick and tired of the stupidity that the Arabs display by blaming us for all their own faults. It might be too that the Arabs have spouted their nonsense conspiracy theories so often that we just don't give a sh*t anymore. "Many Arabs realise that the majority of their leaders are corrupt, useless and a waste of space." But still proclaim their loyalty and support, so what? "There is however no denying that the outside influence of Britain and more recently the USA has had a large effect on their geography, economics, democracy etc.... " There is only one way to counter that. Develope your own sources, your own science endevors, in short stop wringing your hands and whining about and build something instead of destroying things. "I think it is harsh and wrong for you to generalise about a people who are unable to have access to some very basic values and rights." The reason isn't because of us. It is your choice, we can not nor will we give you the tools necessary. You can lead a horse to water, but in the end they have to do their own drinking. Their culture will not allow such a development, so they will continue to blame everybody else for their own short comings.

This article reminds me of when I once gave a lift to a Jordanian (Circassian) man and a Palestinian woman from TA to J-m from a conference that we were all participants in. The Jordanian (a secular Muslim) asked me, with a slightly bemused look on his face, what I thought of what many Jordanians were suggesting in coffee shops--that the Mossad sent Monica Lewinsky to the White House to entrap Clinton and cause him to lighten up on pressuring Israel. I responded that I doubted the Mossad's ability to act as cupid. The (more traditional, though bare-headed)Palestinian woman then chimed in, "come on, don't you think that the timing of the affair was a little too cooincidental?"

Well that Arafat was assassinated there really can be no doubt about and the mere fact that all the doctors in the world can't come up with one single clue as to how it was done is a fact that rather proves the sofistication of the assassination. Now Mossad can through up its hands in the air and claim innocence and have the whole Hasbara department trying to link the assassination of Arafat to a whole bunch of conspericy theories and thus cloud the issue, as done in this rather feeble attempt by Gideon Bachar, but the fact remains that somehow and by someone Yasser Arafat was assassinated and my bet is on the Mossad. "Oh yeah blame Israel", well wasn't the whole reason for this article to silence the critics of the deception of the Mossad as the tool for their operations. To claim that anybody BUT the Mossad assassinated Yasser is the real conspiracy nuts theory. He was held hostage by Israel and Israel alone was providing for the food into the Muqata. It wasn't a clumsy assassination, it was well planned and well advertised. Israel made no secret about it's plan to assassinate Yasser Arafat and assassination is an Israeli speciality thus the problems for ALL the doctors in this world, studying the medical files, still can't come up with the answer on how it was done. They sure have perfected it, but sooner or later, if there's a will, the method will be exposed. Then the conspiracy nuts can claim that it was anybody but those that had constantly threatened to do it and had him surrounded until they did, The Israelis and their beloved Mossad. Now how it was done is another story.

I've heard plenty of it from the posters here in this forum.

A very good post Tareq, my post was aimed more at the Palestinians rather than the Arab population in general and I see I didn't make that clear for which I apologize. The Palestinian public should blame at least half of their dire situation on the terrorist groups, i.e Islamic Jihad, Al Aqsa Brigades etc. But they don't, they blame only Israel and lend support to the terrorist groups who are holding up a Palestinian state by continuing to launch attacks on Israeli civilians. Until the Palestinians take an aggressive stand against these groups, peace in the Middle East is not attainable.

From my experience as a Soviet citizen, they will stop blaming Israel - or whatever else - for their own faults when they get democratic, and start blaming it again whenever the democracy collapses. Until then it's all useless. Poor were we growng up with the Communist propaganda - poor are the Arabs (sorry for the implied generalisation) growing up with their own.

Give Lebanon to palestinian who live there and share the water with israel or make it one big united country for israeli and pals only. Lebanese christian and moslim go and live in Syria your original country.

1.) Be more trustworthy - Politicians should always tell the truth??? 2.) Stop creating facts on the ground - on disputed territory: why not??? 3.) Return what is not yours - The West Bank is disputed territory; was never owned by Palestinian Arabs. 4.) Extend the hand of friendship not the arms of war - like we did to President Sadat and King Hussein ??? 5.) Respect your neighbors -your rights do not come before theirs.. - The pot calling the kettle black ! 6.) check out of the superior category --the chosen ones.- Check out the Koran, you phoney Dutchman ! 7.) Live and Let Live! - We did for over 62 years. It takes two to tango, unfortunately.

True, the jews are intelligent and they produce excellent scientists, musicians and intellectuals and it is also true that the rest of the middle east can not even come close to Israel in these matters. But as bright were the Germans before they came up with Gestapo and Holocaust. The fact that a nation is bright has nothing to do with its potential of producing the worst autrocities, Israel is an example of this. Otherwise why would they introduce the first nukes to the middle east ? Mossad is sure composed by very intelligent personnel, no doubt about it. But then this does not change the fact that the intelligent people can be horrible at the same time. Israel is a racist state despite having an educated populace. Israel considers non jews as subhumans and this means Mossad is dangerous and should be chased continuously. QED.

1.) Be more trust worthy--say what you mean Which Mid East nation should Israel aspire to? 2.) Stop creating facts on the ground What does this have to do with the topic? 3.) Return what is not yours. Return to whom? The land was disputed. It was not sovereign territory so there is no one to return it to.It will have to be negotiated for, and right now there is only chaos and confusion in Gaza and the W.Bank.Too bad. 4.) Extend the hand of friendship not the arms of war. Tell that to Islamic jihad and al aqsa.It takes two. 5.) Respect your neighbors --your rights do not come before theirs Isrrael does . Thats why they signed peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan. Its a shame the Pals dont have a King Hussein or an Anwar Sadat. Statesmen/Leaders are thin on the ground in the Territories. 6.) check out of the superior category --the chosen ones. Are you still sore about the covenant? Remember, God offered the covenant to all the nations and only the Hebrews accepted. What to do. What to do? 7. ) Live and Let Live! Absolutely. Now if only the Arabs had the same attitude in 1948 we could all be one big happy family. Maybe they can still change their minds? I would like to take the liberty of adding an eigth suggestion, as follows: 8.)Foreign agitators who seek to propagandize and encourage DISTRUST amongst Jew and Arab should desisist in their efforts to divide the 2 peoples and instead engage in more genuine efforts to foster a better understanding between the parties concerned. Thats You Dutch.

Interesting how quickly people diverge from conspiracy theories to Arabs failing to blame themselves for problems in the Arab world. Many Arabs realise that the majority of their leaders are corrupt, useless and a waste of space. There is however no denying that the outside influence of Britain and more recently the USA has had a large effect on their geography, economics, democracy etc.... When Nasser looked to develop Egypt through taking control of their waterways, who stopped him? The British. Without British involvement would we have a state of Israel? Without Britain and it's allies would we have Kuwait, Syria etc...... Without USA would we have Mubarak, Fahd's etc....? Would the oil money be wasted away by the Saudi and Kuwaiti regimes or would it be put towards education for example? The Arabs may not have helped themselves as people but the short comings of their leaders can be seen through the relationship with the west in many areas. A Brutal Friendship indeed. I think it is harsh and wrong for you to generalise about a people who are unable to have access to some very basic values and rights. The reason they do not have these is actually in some way due to the West. This cannot be denied.

From what I know, any intelligence service considers any outsider subhuma and any decent service has agents in the most unthinkable spots worldwide. Stop talking nonsense.

the Mossad was instrumental in coup trough out the world Mobutu in Congo was helped by Israeli-american businessman Maurice Templesmann and mossad operative Meir Meyouhas, Col. Michael Harari, the Mossad officer who was the brains behind the drug crimes blamed on Panama's former strongman Gen. Manuel Noriega?" asked Shelton. "After we invaded Panama, we grabbed Noriega and sent him to Miami, where he is still in prison. But Col. Harari and his men, who were as criminally guilty as Noriega-perhaps even more so-were quietly flown back to Israel in an un marked U.S. Air Force transport." it is true that time to time Israel helped the right men : Mugabe, Nyerere I don't want to be cruel but those help were to rare compared to what the Israeli security apparatus has done troughout the world

You forgot about the Egyptair crash in America

According to my former butcher, a Morrocon Muslim, the mad cow disease was spread by the mossad and the CIA.

The blaming of the Mossad, the blaming of the Jews, the blaming of Israel, the blaming of the United States, the blaming of the West, the blaming of the Colonialists, the blaming of others instead of taking responsibility for their own condition and situation- characterizes the Arab world as a whole. This apparently is an inherent element in the culture. And it is one of the most distressing elements when one tries to contemplate a future in peace in this part of the world.

In the absence of truth, rumour and conspiracy theories are the sole currency of news and in the societies that these fantastic theories emanate from either the truth is unavailable, unpalatable or incomprehensible due to poor education. Consider the poor Arab who lives in a society where the processes of society are corrupt and largely hidden, and the individual has few real rights. Given that these are his or her reference points, is it at all surprising that he or she immediately accepts the conspiracy theories? In light of the power of these "theories" and their prevalence, it is disturbing that the free world has been scaling back its shortwave radio transmissions. The one thing that would challenge these silly ideas would be some well presented programmes providing the rational truth.

There is a worldwide trend now in literature and other, about invoking secret societies for manipulating world history. How many mainstream novels and movies are there about: the templar knights, the rosicrucian, the assasin brotherhood, the masons, the Essenes,.... X-Files, Rosewell,... People seem to like it. Maybe reality is not colorfull enough? Or too boring? Just want to cite a principle that guided many of the greatest scientists(Occams Razors): Given two equally predictive theories, choose the simpler.

"how should we relate to the phenomenon?" 1.) Be more trust worthy--say what you mean 2.) Stop creating facts on the ground 3.) Return what is not yours. 4.) Extend the hand of friendship not the arms of war. 5.) Respect your neighbors --your rights do not come before theirs 6.) check out of the superior category --the chosen ones. 7. ) Live and Let Live! Dutch

right on no. 3. For such a tiny country to be the focus of world attention without pause, Israel must indeed be the Chosen people.

Given the contents of the article it seems a waste of money. Education in the PA has had a theme of hatred of the Jews and Israel since Oslo. Egyptian Television makes a series based on " The Protocols of the Elders of Zion". Anti-Israel sentiment in the arab world is used by the authorities as a tool to keep those countries' elites in power by distracting the people from their own bad or corrupt government. To have any effect you would have to hire a psychiatrist for each one. Just too expensive. Besides, I would think Ha'aretz would want us to use the money to create "re-education" camps for those fanatic " settlers" and the greatest threat to Israel, religious zionists, no?

If an asteroid hit the Earth the Arabs would blame Israel, its quite sad really. Regarding problems in the Arab world its a shame they can't be bothered to put the blame when it belongs - on themselves!

As with antisemitism, this Arab and Muslim tendency to believe in conspiracy theories and blame outsiders ( especially Jews ) for their internal problems, is their own doing. We can't cure them of it by writing books and articles which will remain unread by Arabs. There's no cure for ignorance unless the ignorant decide to wake up and change by themselves.

Hi Gaby, As I said in my earlier post much of the article rings true and conspiracy theories involving the Zionists always appear when acts such as 9/11 are committed by Arabs. However- we could also list numerous claims by leading US Statesmen about 9/11 and links to the Iraqi regime. Also complete rubbish. Lead who want their people to believe in something (whether it is true or not) will lie to try and achieve this. Addressing why these Arabs want everything to be blamed on the Zionists and changing that mentality would probably be a good way forward.

"Mehmet has bad record". Its almost as you say Mehmet but the syntax is lacking. In fact your record of posting childish and nonsensical theories and musings is leading me to believe you are to intelligent debate what Khalid is to journalistic integrity.

I don't have a copy of the Elders of Zion, although I have a copy of Talmud Bavli, but I'm having some difficulties with the Aramic language. I stated facts, things that happend that in retrospect Israel was found to be responsible for. All what I say is as long as no one knows who is responsible for an act, and as long as Israel has an interest in it, its not unfounded to think of Israel as a potential perpetrater.

Hi Tareq, I do not know about London, but there is a lot of propaganda in the arab countries and Iran about 9/11. see http://www.memritv.com/Transcript.asp?P1=844 Excerpts: Muhammad Ali Al-Jozo, the Mufti of Mt. Lebanon, ANB TV, July 24, 2005 Al-Jozo: I cannot give bin Laden credit for the operation in America (9/11). He does not have the capabilities, and his personality in no way suggests that he may carry out an operation like those that occurred in America London, or Madrid. There are Zionist hands... Anwar ?Ishqi, director of the Middle East Center for Strategic Studies in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, Al-Jazeera TV, February 16, 2005 ?Ishqi: The CFR group is the secret government in America. They are the ones who came up with [globalization], and they are headed by David Rockefeller. They control and have hegemony over the world economy. Today's globalization is an outcome of this. Therefore, the agreement or coalition between them and Bin Laden's group developed the planning of Bin Laden's group. The Bin Laden group? it's improbable that someone who strolls in the mountains with a walking stick could plan things like this and upset the entire world and become the rival of the American president. ?The New Fascism? ? an Iranian TV series Iranian strategic expert 'Ali 'Askari: We have seen that 9/11 was a domestic need of the American administration as well as an external need. So, the following suspicions grow stronger: Either the Americans were involved in this matter or they let the events of 9/11 develop as they developed. and many many more

"The Lavon affair, "`Eseq Ha Bish", the activites of the zionist underground in Iraq, and the series of assassinations of the Palestinian leaders and activists just show that some of things that are presented here as "conspiracy theory" could actually be done by Israel, despite the denial of the apologists at MOFA." Does this mean that everything evil happening in the Muslim World can be traced to Israel? That is the gist of the article, something you Arabs don't seem to want to understand. According to your line of reasoning, the Mossad/Israel/the Jews are responsible for spreading the Black Plague, AIDS, the chicken flu; for blowing up the World Trade Center, for assassinating Lebanese PM Rafik Hariri, for poisoning Yasser Arafat. Have I forgotten anything? And it's all because of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, of which I'm sure you have a copy, and because of the Talmud, of which i'm sure you don't have a copy. Khalid's slanderous descriptions will do for you, I guess.

first, mossad has have very good record, second you as born stupid losers can not invent anything original and deep. even your primitive intellectuals are of the same calibre, at best mediocre. ours are different.

it will be good idea to stay in your perfect city and not give your opinions here.

Mehmet, talking about "evil records" have a look at what your country did to the armenians in the early 20th century, now that was evil.....

The Lavon affair, "'Eseq Ha Bish", the activites of the zionist underground in Iraq, and the series of assassinations of the Palestinian leaders and activists just show that some of things that are presented here as "conspiracy theory" could actually be done by Israel, despite the denial of the apologists at MOFA.

Much of what the article states is true but the statement about Muslims in England blaming the tube bombings on Israel is ridiculous. Only the most demented people had sentiments like that, a tiny proportion of UK Muslims and Non Muslims for that matter. The journalist generalises as if it was the masses!

Q.E.D. mehmet's letter offers an excellent demonstration of the thesis presented in the article. I guess we Jews must have planned Mohammed's wars of conquest as well. And the Crusades. And the Ottoman Turkish conquests. And...ad infinitum.

Mossad has informers in the most unthinkable spots in the middle east and elsewhere and as Israel's prime philosophy Mossad considers any non-jew as subhuman. This being well established and given Mossad's evil record anyone has the right of at least consdering Mossad as one of the prime components on any evil in the region. Why not ?

Jews were blamed for starting the WW2 by Hitler in the Reichstag in 1940 before Israel existed. The cause of the war in Europe,he said, is the Jewish conspiracy both the capitalist plutocracy in the west and the "judeo bolshevics" in the east and he concluded that if their machinations will not stop "the Jewish race in Europe will be anihilated" The rest is history [for some in any case,not for people like Ahmadinajad of Iran though...] History reapeats itself but this time Israel must protect itself and if necessary become a shelter for Jews worldwide.

Of course it's stupid to blame the Mossad, a bunch of silly wimps, for anything. The avarage Mossad agent should be glad if knows how to bind his shoes.

Wow!, thankfully, we in Israel don't live like Arabs in a society were local journalists sensationalise stories and constantly barrage the country's ears and eyes with baseless scapegoating and yellow journalism lambasting certain sectors of the country for every social ill in Israel (as a classic example, see last weeks "article", and I use that term liberally, as it was more like a high school notebook babble-a-thon by Bradley Burston talking about how the reason the Right wing is worse than Hitler and hates the Arabs is because they secretly hate homosexuals!) . Thankfully, we can rely on the good folks at Haaretz to give us the truth and nothing but the truth.

I support everything Gideon Bacher has said regarding the Arab propensity to immediately blame Israel and other Western intelligence agencies for its woes. Many of the comments coming from Arab nations in light of attacks smacks of early 20th century Marxist rhetoric - "find the person who benefits the most and he will be the cause of the problems". Problem is, they stopped looking after they find Israel or the US, never to cast an eye on their despotic regime and the gains they make for creating a demon of the Jewish State. However, in the conclusion, Gideon states that the Foreign Ministry has began to fix all of this. How in the world can an Israeli Foreign Ministry have its word be taken more seriously than conspiricies by those who wish to find fault with Israel in the first place? Just because this part of the ministry exists, doesn't mean they are actually doing anything - look at other ministries in the government. The article brought to light what everyone already knows about lack of insight in the Middle East, but I still don't feel a real solution has been found.

"...anything bad that happens in the region is the result of an Israeli and Western conspiracy against Arab interests." "That explains why Muslims living in the United Kingdom blamed Israel for carrying out the London bombings this summer. " Scapegoating Jews haw always been a favorite device of the anti-Semites. Now it's scapegoating Israel, a disease that pervades all of Arab society, even Muslim communities living outside the Middle East.