Where did two Iran nuclear scientists disappear to?
Report indicates the scientists, linked with the newly discovered uranium enrichment plant, may have defected.
By Yossi Melman Tags: Iran Iran nuclear Israel newsTwo Iranian nuclear scientists disappeared over the past weeks and allegedly defected to the West, the London-based pan-Arabic daily Asharq al-Awsat reported.
According to the report, the first defector is Sharam Amiri, a scientist in Iran's nuclear program who was likely tied to the recently discovered secret uranium enrichment plant near the holy city of Qom.
Amiri disappeared in Saudi Arabia in July while he was on the hajj pilgrimage to Mecca.
Defection speculations have been gaining popularity in light of an announcement made by Iran's foreign ministry that it had asked Saudi officials to help locate Amiri. This announcement is unusual because many Iranians go missing during the annual hajj pilgrimage, and in those cases, not only is there no foreign ministry announcement, usually there is no effort made to locate them, despite their families' pleas.
The foreign ministry announcement indicates that Amiri may have a particularly sensitive position in the Iranian nuclear program.
The report regarding the second scientist is also strange. Asharq al-Awsat uses only his surname - Ardebili. He was allegedly arrested in Georgia a few weeks ago. Reports say that Ardebili worked in the Iranian nuclear program as well, but the Iranian foreign ministry fervently denies these claims, and maintains that Ardebili was a businessman who was extradited to the U.S. following his arrest.
If the report is correct and two scientists from Iran's nuclear program indeed defected, it would be a harsh blow to Iran and its nuclear plans on the one hand, and a triumph on the part of Western intelligence on the other.
In 2007, the former Iranian deputy defense minister and senior member of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Ali Reza Asgari defected to the West. Several reports linked both the American CIA and the Israeli Mossad to the operation.
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I am sure they werent kidnapped if extraiditon was done then it was legal.
All this speculation???????????? I question your intellegence and imagination. There is only one possible explanation. Space aliens! They either bribed him or kidnapped him or both. Like all good ishmalites he wanted to go to heaven. Now he is looking down at this wacko world from space craft x-ray and laughing histerically at all the little frantic people trying to figure out where he went. Think about it. Maybe the world is a better place now. At least until they give him back to us.
I assume you were also vocal in your objections when it was the US doing the embassy invading.
and is willing to pay handsomely! Know anyone who might be interested?
There I was walking the sands of our beautiful beaches, when lo and behold I noticed an individual that looked familiar from the reports walking with other individuals wearing ripped up remnants of what I now realize was the uniform of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. Walking obediently behind them (a proper 20 steps) were a group of ladies (heavily encased in bhurqas) attempting to tan what little of their bodies were exposed to the sun. Eilat....tourist haven to all! Hope he brought his credit cards. Our hummus is cheap ...but not free! A little Golani wine with dinner?
If I lived in a country that emphasizes military aggression over health care for its citizens, I'd probably defect too. Uh, wait a minute, that could apply to the US too! Aw, never mind. There it is, I typed it.
there is also the high probability that Mossad assassinated these scientists as they have done so in the past.
to Lebanon, to be closer to u..
....scenario. Remember the Red Mercury scam by Iraqi scientists. They spent millions of dollars on said mineral. They claimed it was the answer for an atomic reaction. The late Mr.Saddam Hussein fell for the story. So, lets just forget about the CIA and Mossad. More than likely they are having a great time in Rio. Maybe we will see them dancing the samba soon enough. Unless, that is,.. the RG found out and they have joined the many other failed fiddler scientists that are accompanying the late Mr.Hoffa. C'est la vie.
Frankly, anything that the Iranian Government says about these two Iranian nuclear scientists is hardly worth trusting. I suspect they are in debriefing and are defecting Iran to the West. There is only so much oppression that can be applied to scientists before they let their conscience guide them. I hope they find happiness in the US or in another Western country. Freedom is great.
soon the present regime will be no more and the good persian people will be free once again
Brigadier General Ali-Reza Asgari disappeared on February 7, 2007. Torture? Much easier to buy the info for someone who wants to lead the good life? Info on destroyed Syrian reactor?
You post is right on the mark. It always amazed me that ordinary citizens like you know more about how the world works than these so called experts in various governmental agencies. Regards.
They did not disappear, they live in a moshav near Dimona!
#3 transplanted bedouin Your jihad against the world is in the OPEN NOW, You and your shia leaders opened PANDORA's BOX and now you are going to taste your own medicine. I hope you like the TASTE Masalami
That's rich - the Iranians complaining that hostage taking is against international law. How about invading embassies and taking their staff prisoner? How does that jibe with international law?
concerned about my safety. I am enjoying my new life here on my new yacht. And the women are fantastic - er excuse me.... Helga, Sacha more champagne - and a little more hors d'orvres. Thanks! So good. O'my, what a butt that Helga has! Ah yes - as I was saying you need not fret my very sweet concerned american. Most important, I don't have to return to that veiled monster of a fat wife with - "Sharam take out the garbage, Sharam why must you be such a dumb husband, Sharam this, Sharam that...! My rich Uncle Sam is taking quite good care of me - and yes life can be really good!
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whether or not he defected or was kidnapped and by whome. Yet you accuse Israel of kidnapping. You must have borrowed a page from the Goldstone report. If the Mossad is so powerful, they would have tightened your ass by now.
and your yellow skin inflaming you should first know whats going on none of those related to iran nuclear program those people do not travel what is up is saudi american conspiracy that will be dealt with
Dont talk nonsense you knucklehead. Which law will apply to Hamas for kidnapping Gilad Shalit??, an Israeli / French citizen. All of a sudden, you, the PLO, Hammas and other terror groups have all-of-a-sudden become Speciality International Lawyers. Go and get a life and look after your camels & goats. Dont forget to pay Mr. Goldstone his 'protection money'.
while building secret plants for the enrichment of atomic material is allowed by international laws, Correct? Wait...as far as I recall is also allowed to keep 11000 jews hostages with no civil rights, or to cheat on the national elections and to kill and put in prison who opposed....
Defecting and kidnapping are quite different. Defecting is not against international law and Iran has never suggested that Israel or the USA had kidnapped either one or both scientists. As Saudi also wants nuclear energy, perhaps he has been paid enough to get him to work in Saudi. No one really knows, so it's a bit early to begin bashing Israel!
bunch of people on the planet. It is usually extremely easy to bribe or corrupt any civil servant in any muslim country (including Turkey and Iran) to defect or become a traitor (be it a scientists-muslims do not make very good scientists by the way, doctor, minister, mayor, rector or a soldier). Yet as one of the comments also suggests, for this to happen, the person in question(who is to be bribed) must first secure his family which may not be very easy in Iranian scientist case, due to an intense scrutiny of SAVAK on their international travellings. So this news may be a hoax. Otherwise, I think the best way to destroy the iranian regime would be (for the CIA) to try to bribe millions of dollars (on the whole this is cheaper than the war) the key iranian politicians and civil servants. Turks are very good in bribing people or being bribed so CIA can ask the help of Turks for this kind of business, is not this a good idea ?
Tel-Aviv and its nice beaches ??
No matter where they are the damage is already done. Iran is well on its way to being able to fulfill its freely expressed desire to wipe Israel off the map thanks to those scientists and others still working towards that goal. I doubt Israel, the Us or even the Saudis would bother kidnapping them at this point. Should have done it years ago.
I believe there is no international law against kidnapping although if this in fact was kidnapping it would violated laws of a country where the alleged kidnapping took place. If that specific country does not raise the issue of its sovereignty being violated, illegal arrest etc. there is not international incident, just an enraged Iran. Let her be enraged ? they have been lying to the international community about their N-program for many years. I am trying to justify kidnapping and hope these two had simply defected.
The report does say one disappeared during the Hajj. Perhaps one of our renowned Virgin hookers working the Hajj in her flowing, and may I say glowing, white bhurqa picked him up and they were so enchanted, she became wife #3 and they rode off on winged horses into the Arabian sunset. It would be a miraculous epic worthy of inclusion in the Quran. Or maybe...just maybe...he had enough and realized he was building a genocide machine for mass murderers and his conscience couldn't take it anymore. Which to believe?
- ie the important people, whether from the military /science. as far as i know, iranians in general are free to travel wherever they wish, but you're right, people of this caliber are probably well watched - still, there are always ways this can be done.
Of course it was the Mossad. OH WAIT - perhaps the CIA? Or just maybe the the Saudi Re'asat Al Istikhbarat Al A'amah who are very wary of an Iranian nuke? NAHHH had to be the Jews! That IS what your Aryan web site is telling you isn't it? When ypu can't figure it out, attack the Jews. That's almost gospel to your people.
Enrico Fermi, Bruno Pontecorvo
and, the lives of many innocent people that Iran wouldn't hesitate to murder. He's worth more out of Iran than in Iran. Betcha the allies have him and are getting all the info Iran wanted silenced. Perhaps his testimony was responsible for the US ordering "Bunker Busting" bombs that will destroy Iran's hopes of conquering the world? Iran's going down and, most likely from defecting Iranian's who hate their "Islamic Republic of Iran"? Better than a dime novel.
lets be very clear here. the kidnapping of iranian citizens (by certain intelligence agencies) while they visit other nations is a serious violation of international law and i am very sure that iran will respond in its own manner. israel cannot be allowed any longer to operate above the law. their actions will surely have consequences.
People at that level rarely choose to 'defect' but If true this guy may have been picked up by one of the intelligence agencies, not necessarily from the US or Isreal. This however would be unlikely as you can bet his masters in Iran would be watching him closely wherever he went. I have read elsewhere of possible secret meetings with North Korean 'businessmen' and Chinese 'businessmen' so he may very well be rediscoved safely back in Iran in a few days!
Don't these guys have families? Have they just walked away to start new lives and new identities? Something doesn't sound right.