• Published 02:10 28.09.09
  • Latest update 09:17 28.09.09

WATCH: What does Chavez think of Ahmadinejad's Holocaust denial?

Venezuelan leader spared no criticism of 'genocidal' Israel during interview with CNN's Larry King.

By Haaretz Service Tags: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Venezuela Israel news

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez says he disagrees with his ally, Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, on whether or not the Holocaust took place, though he added that the West has also engaged in its own form of denial in its failure to acknowledge the impact of colonialism on South America.

"I do not deny the Jewish Holocaust. And I condemn it," Chavez told CNN's Larry King on Thursday. "But in South America, when the Europeans arrived, there were close to 90 million Indians; 200 years later, we only had 4 million remaining. That was a holocaust. And the Europeans denied this holocaust."

During the interview, Chavez repeated his accusation of "genocide" against Israel for its actions during Operation Cast Lead, the three-week military offensive against Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip.

Venezuela broke off diplomatic ties with Israel in January to protest the offensive.

"They killed how many children in Gaza?" Chavez asked Larry King. "What is that? Genocide. Thousands of families destroyed with bombs and tanks. That's crazy. That's a genocide."

Chavez brushed off King's contention that Israel was a "small, beleaguered country."

"[It's a] small country with atomic bombs and [it is] a very aggressive country who invaded the Golan Heights and it has to give them back to Syria," Chavez said. "It has massacred entire families. It is a warmongering country."

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  • 49. 0 0
    Person to be claiming to be American somewhere upstate
    • David Israel
    • 29.09.09
    • 23:26

    As I said term limits by itself are not prerequisite for democracies but when a president passes laws that makes him/her lifetime president with all the power to rule the way Chavez and Zelaya are trying to do and Csatro already has are antidemocratic in fact dictatorship. In Israel once a sitting government looses parliamentarian support the government falls and a new one must be established. If this is not possible under the current Knesset arithmetic new elections are held. There is no such law in Israel that gives a president or PM unchecked power such as those powers are askes by Chavez and Zelaya. However this is actually a point not worth to discuss. It widely accepted by all intellectuals that what Chavez and Zelaya are trying to do are dictator power and those who support this idea are supporters of dictatorships. Regards from all American democrat David Israel.

  • 48. 0 0
    David Israel # 47 I do know more than you
    • American in NY
    • 29.09.09
    • 22:22

    No president can serve more than 8 years. This prevents a dictatorship of a president.-- David Israel Correction, no president may serve more than 4 years. He may be reelected to another 4 years. The term of office was not established because of fears of usurpation of power. The two year term limit established in 1947 was not established because of fear of a dictatorship either. The constitution is what prevents a dictatorship. Of course term limits are not the only thing that make a democracy.- David Israel Term limits are not a prerequisite for a democracy. A democracy can have impromptu elections that are not periodic if it wants. Does Israel have term limits? I am unaware of any western country that has term limits like America does.

  • 47. 0 0
    Those who think know more about USA
    • David Israel
    • 29.09.09
    • 16:47

    Of course term limits are not the only thing that make a democracy. However when a president who wants to establish a system that will make him life time president and who know later pass this along to his children or selected successors is not democracy. We all know very well that Chavez had proposed this as well as Zelaya. Those who are supporting Chavez and Zelaya here are supporting dictatorships. There is no excuses no ifs no buts.

  • 46. 0 0
    David Israel from Turkey you know little about America
    • American in NY
    • 29.09.09
    • 14:52

    No president can serve more than 8 years. This prevents a dictatorship of a president. ? David Israel You know nothing about America. Term limits do not prevent a dictatorship. In fact, presidential term limits were only adopted in 1947. America went 158 years without term limits and without a dictatorship. The two are not related in the slightest. What prevents a dictatorship is our form of government and the constitution. A dictator would not be able to govern.

  • 45. 0 0
    Viper - I only gave you one example
    • David Israel
    • 29.09.09
    • 14:49

    Dorit Benisian is only one among hundreds of children killed by Arab Terrorists. There is not enough room here to list all. But let me give you 3more samples just as a reminder On 9.8.2001, 14 people ? half of them children ? were killed when a suicide-terrorist blew himself up at the Sbarro restaurant in downtown Jerusalem. One hundred and ten people ? most of them under 18 ? were injured. Mordecai and Tzira Schijveschuurder and three of their children, Ra?aya, 14; Avraham, 4; and Hemda, 2; were killed. Two other daughters, Leah, 8, and Chaya, 7, were injured. Lily Shimashvili, 33, a new immigrant from Georgia, and her daughter Tamara, 8, were also killed. Lily Shimashvili left a three-year-old son. On 1.6.2001, 21 young people were killed when a suicide-terrorist blew himself up at the entrance to the Dolphinarium discotheque in Tel Aviv. One hundred and twenty young people were injured. On 11.6.2001, five-month-old Yehuda Shoham died of injuries he suffered when his parents?

  • 44. 0 0
    Oscar: When is a holocaust not a holocaust?
    • Highlander
    • 29.09.09
    • 06:08

    Your analysis seems to contain a grain of something extremely valid... Perhaps the missing ingredient in the case of the 'extermination' in the Americas is none other than 'FASCISM' in its formulated and premeditated sense. These Conquests by Sword were largely at the behest of the European monarchs and reflected greed and the arrogance of all Europeans in those non-refective pre-Darwin days. The Shoah was obviously a Holocaust similar to the Armenian one but differing in scale. It also qualifies as 'genocide' as the idea (fascist) was that these persecuted people were below human whether or not they possessed strongly desired things such as land or treasures (Gypsies were poor, homosexuals were 'immoral' etc... .) Plundering and pillaging were assumed as a Right under the thin veil of bringing 'civilisation' to these lost souls. The situation with the Palestinians is clearly Fascist so may represent both Holocaust and Genocide as it is a campaign of many years which persecutes and treats the occupied at least at the same level as Gypsies and Homosexuals... At worst, on the same level as the Jews who were confined to ghettos and deprived of human rights and all human dignity.

  • 43. 0 0
    #38, DAVID ISRAEL, seriously, stop lying
    • VIPER
    • 29.09.09
    • 03:39

    here,s a link to the speech http://politicaltheatrics.org/2009/09/24/full-text-of-ahmadinejads-speech-to-the-un-general-assembly/ and how convenient that you only state one israeli child killed when the average ration of israelis to pals is 1:100, your sickening, you think like a tru zionist when you say that the life of one jew is worth a thousand of arabs, the arabs tradition is there own, like israelis/jews, you have laws that demean women as well, or are you denying that too?.

  • 42. 0 0
    #5, NOT HAARETZ, has a huge problem
    • VIPER
    • 29.09.09
    • 03:32

    he/she is living in the past, whoever DID commit any crimes against aborigines is dead being long ago, or are you traveling in a time machine?, if you are, go back and prosecute them.

  • 41. 0 0
    great response to Rob
    • Mike Toledano
    • 28.09.09
    • 22:26

    Great response for Rob, it is amazing how people love recreate history.

  • 40. 0 0
    A True American
    • David Israel
    • 28.09.09
    • 21:44

    1. BTW I am as true American as one can be . The title is not reserved only to you. 2. Here in the USA we just had fierce demonstrations in Pittsburgh a few days ago. No deaths no serious injuries. Those who behaved excessively were detained and then released. Do you know haw many missing in Chavez ruled Venezuela, how many detainees never charged but kept in jail? Same goes to Castro's Cuba and all other dictatorships that you praise. And if the Dems bring up such a proposal the will definitely loose elections and it will never happen anyway. As far as Obama's sermon as you mentioned: The great thing is that even those who are in his party can oppose him in this democracy when they do not agree with the president. As we see lately in the case of the health care many Dems are not yet sold on Obama's plan. This is democracy and it works. We are not oppressed from speaking our minds but the people of Venezuela, Iran, Syria and even Turkey today are.

  • 39. 0 0
    White Russian
    • David Israel
    • 28.09.09
    • 21:35

    No sir. If USA and Israel are doing evil there are many to illuminate them and most of the times at an unfair degree while ignoring the enormously much bigger evils done for example when Islamist government of Sudan is allowing the Janjawid killing the poor people of Darfur, when the qassams that are falling over Israel killing little children such as Dorit Benisian, when in Iran demonstrators are attacked by the Basij and a young lady Nida is brutally killed, when Iran's president is constantly declaring that he wants to wipe out Israel from the map, the human and women's right abuses in Muslim countries and the list goes on and on. Isn't this a hypocrisy?

  • 38. 0 0
    Definition:Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction,
    • Joshua
    • 28.09.09
    • 21:05

    in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group. This was never the case for Israel. If it was there would be 10s of thousands dead. Rawanda, Darfur, the arminian turks were all genocide where 100s of thousands or millions were killed. A war with collateral damage which was not intended does not in anyway constitute genocide. Stop trivializing this horrible crime by calling every thing Israel does genocide then just about ignoring every real case of it.

  • 37. 0 0
    concerned American
    • Eaglebeak
    • 28.09.09
    • 20:33

    If he were as smart as you think he is then he would know why Israel had to take the Golan Heights.

  • 36. 0 0
    David and term limits
    • A TRUE American
    • 28.09.09
    • 18:50

    Let us expand on your thesis. Yes, here we have limits. Yet Obama has made it clear that he doesn't believe democracies work! He opposed the concept that we should not support fascist dictatorships and just last week sermonized about his lack of belief in democracies. He attacks Honduras after the Honduran Supreme Court ORDERED the President removed for attempting to quash unilaterally a constitutional mandate that he can only serve one term. He announced he will serve for life if he wanted and BHO and Clinton jumped to his defense. It is what we call hypocrisy at its best and shows the goal of BHO - to bring fascism and a socialist dictatorship to the US. Do NOT be surprised if you see the Dems introduce a constitutional amendment overturning term limits for the President.

  • 35. 0 0
    David Israel
    • White Russian
    • 28.09.09
    • 18:26

    You value freedom of speech and democracy so long as it doesn't shine a light and illuminate the evils done by Israel and the US to Arabs, as long as the TRUTH won't damage Israels image at home and abroad? That was what you meant to say. The term limit matter is just a straw man. I don't think Chavez is keeping 1.5 million civilians in open air prisons.

  • 34. 0 0
    CHAVEZ ANSWER IS TO TAKE AGRESSION OUT ON THE JEWS OF VENEZUELA
    • David
    • 28.09.09
    • 18:07

    Chavez is the 'REAL' expert on genocide!!!

  • 33. 0 0
    Chavez vs Obama: Logic 101
    • Highlander
    • 28.09.09
    • 17:48

    Chavez is his own man... Obama is NOT... nor NEVER could have been nor NEVER will be... FACT. A simple knowledge determines such a Truth. If he were, he would have been relegated to the fringes of public debating during the Pres. campaign season...

  • 32. 0 0
    Dick - very good point
    • David Israel
    • 28.09.09
    • 17:17

    Unfortunately many people are misusing the word Genocide for every atrocity or war. It cheapens the meaning of the word.

  • 31. 0 0
    Concerned American - in the USA we have presidential term limits
    • David Israel
    • 28.09.09
    • 17:04

    No president can serve more than 8 years. This prevents a dictatorship of a president. Mr. Chavez is an anti democrat, a dictator who wants to rule his nation brutally - he has intimidated free press and silenced demonstrators - You may like that kind of dictatorship but we most Americans value our freedom of speech and respect our system over the regime of oppression in Venezuela.

  • 30. 0 0
    to Edan
    • Lalo
    • 28.09.09
    • 15:46

    Edan, Here in Mexico we have many Venezuelans who had to leave their country that would disagree with you. Chavez is not helping the poor, what he does in any case is more like what the catholic church does. manipulate the poor.

  • 29. 0 0
    To Rob
    • Francisco
    • 28.09.09
    • 15:39

    Dear Rob: the American conquest was done with very few soldiers who held fire arms vs. swords and arrows, but there was no military genocide. The killings were done afterwards applying very hard working conditions to the indians. Viruses also helped a lot. Every country has its dark area in their history. Or have you forgotten what the boers from the Netehrlands did in South Africa?

  • 28. 0 0
    Learn English
    • Dick
    • 28.09.09
    • 15:33

    Genocide is a strong word that's tossed around too often. Neither the Israelis nor Palestinians have committed genocide. Literally, Gene-o-cide. Exterminating a set of genes...a race. Killing with the intent to terminate a race. Nowadays any conflict which kills a lot of people is considered a genocide...it cheapens the real genocides.

  • 27. 0 0
    Learn English
    • Dick
    • 28.09.09
    • 15:33

    Genocide is a strong word that's tossed around too often. Neither the Israelis nor Palestinians have committed genocide. Literally, Gene-o-cide. Exterminating a set of genes...a race. Killing with the intent to terminate a race. Nowadays any conflict which kills a lot of people is considered a genocide...it cheapens the real genocides

  • 26. 0 0
    One analysis often over looked and mistaken is...
    • Eli
    • 28.09.09
    • 15:19

    Disease, Jared diamond in a great book guns germs and steel looks at well a lot of history. One thing he notes is the amount of incans, Aztecs and mayans who died from European disease and not war. Due to europeans living in larger cities and from having domesticated animals, Europeans were carriers and generally immune to the diseases they carried. Diamond notes that an overwhelming majority of indingenous persons in the "new world" died from the diseases and not war. Since Europeans didnt understand this or do it purposefully how is this genocide? Classic Chavez he sees ends and assumes the means and intent. This idea was layer used by the British and the yanks to call native americans with small pox infested blankets that covered "aid" drops of tabacco and booze. But listen to the crazy man and viper they'd never steer u wrong safe and healthy fast

  • 25. 0 0
    For tha Arabs to live next to Israel is like being next to the...
    • Tcherkessi
    • 28.09.09
    • 13:42

    ...school bully and his mother is the Head teacher - with a gun.

  • 24. 0 0
    above
    • moishe
    • 28.09.09
    • 12:54

    if leaders like Chavez spent more time and effort running their respective countries than propogandizing their hate-filled garbage they would help their countries to a better standard of living. note that all of these leaders that spew hate are heads of 3rd rate countries. sadly, their respective peoples think highly of these leaders. the leaders are fools and so are their supporters!

  • 23. 0 0
    #5
    • Harold
    • 28.09.09
    • 12:48

    Do you mean Israel is an innocent humble lamb. Wake-up.

  • 22. 0 0
    To EDAN
    • rob
    • 28.09.09
    • 12:32

    Actually, Chavez did already fix a lot for the poor. And that is not to the liking of US. The US needs impoverished canon-fudder for their war-industry. And roque-states to "liberate".

  • 21. 0 0
    To OSCAR
    • rob
    • 28.09.09
    • 12:26

    The Indians died of diseases an none were killed in cold blood, tortured and burned. Not in South and not in North-America. And the military campaigns to conquer land and resources were not planned and prepared, just circumstantial. If the Indians had not resisted in defense of their land and livestock nobody would have harmed them. It is their own fault and due to unknown diseases. Is that what you mean Oscar?

  • 20. 0 0
    # 6 Ami ben Abraam So. American birth control?
    • petra McIntyre
    • 28.09.09
    • 12:04

    Latin American dictators aren't too good at being any sort of help against terror, unless, like this nut they become the head terrorist. He and Iran's mini monkey must have a looooooooot of security. They're worth more dead than alive.

  • 19. 0 0
    genocide?
    • Francisco
    • 28.09.09
    • 11:43

    I agree with Oscar: many people died of new diseases brought by the spaniards, but also many people died from hard working conditions in the conquerors' lands and mines. In fact, the king of Spain dictated laws protecting the indians from these abuses although, unfortunately, these laws were not respected by local colonizers and the abuses went on and on. The figures launched by Chavez are absolutely unreal in any case.

  • 18. 0 0
    Re: Mark Lincoln
    • Edan
    • 28.09.09
    • 11:23

    Mark, Chavez and Amhedinejad have become very good friends of late, they share many things. For instance, Ahmedinejad rants against Israel, Chavez also now dislikes Israel. Ahmedinejad scares jews in Iran, Chavez thinks that the jews are out to get him in Venezuela. I think you'll find that they are finding a lot in common with each other. However, Chavez should be fixing the issues within his own country rather than pointing out issues in others.

  • 17. 0 0
    Hafez Al Assad-
    • Ashdod
    • 28.09.09
    • 10:03

    The Hama massacre occurred on February 2, 1982, when Hafez father of Bashar al Assad ordered the Syrian army to bombard the town of Hama in order to quell a revolt by the Muslim Brotherhood. An estimated of 40,000 people were killed.

  • 16. 0 0
    anti-missle defense
    • politKomment
    • 28.09.09
    • 08:35

    In response to what Israel could do about the rockets coming from Gaza: How about installing an anti-missile shield of some kind? Maybe like the American Patriot or the Russian S-300. I can answer partly to this question: cost, but what are $$ compared to human lives.

  • 15. 0 0
    90 million????
    • Oscar
    • 28.09.09
    • 08:01

    That's about twice the estimate that most reputable historians accept. (Highest figure I've seen is 54 million, but usually the one cited is closer to 30 million, for both North and South America combined.) Also, unlike the Shoah, the catastrophe which befell the Native Americans was NOT planned. The vast majority of Natives died due to disease... and Europeans did not understand how disease transmission took place. In fact, no one on Earth did for centuries. Besides, what does any of this have to do with denial of the Holocaust in the Islamic world as a way of de-legitimizing the modern state of Israel? I mean, have I overlooked something?... is anyone denying the demographic catastrophe in the New World as a result of the Columbian Exchange as a way of de-legitimizing the very existence of Venezuela, or Mexico or Peru or any other Latin American nation? Sadly, this is yet another example of how much of an ignorant clown (albeit a powerful one) Hugo Chavez is.

  • 14. 0 0
    I liked Chavez answer
    • dani.a
    • 28.09.09
    • 07:13

    On Larry King description of Israel as a little and beleaguered country rounded by enemies.So King sees the solution to make Israel bigger,that is what Israel have to do.

  • 13. 0 0
    Genocide at the hands of the radical muslims
    • Wake up
    • 28.09.09
    • 06:26

    Although the term Holocaust was synonymous for Jews and WW 2 it now has a changed meaning in common vernacular to include other genocides. Chavez's use of the term genocide directed to Israeli-Palestinian matters is a total misappropriation of the concept which illustrates his ignorance. What Israel did in Gaza was not genocidal. It was not totally successful because Israel had unavoidable and avoidable civilian causalties which were made worse by the government's poor handling of the situation. However, much of the objective was accomplished in that scores of rockets raining down daily often launched from inside of Palestinian neighbourhoods had slowed down. It is a tragedy that innocent Palestinians died but what choice would any country have against an enemy that sends a large numbers of rockets at you every month. Israel tries to avoid innocent civilians whereas her enemies try to kill them on purpose by suicide bombers or firing rockets. That is genocidal.

  • 12. 0 0
    Did anyone notice that Ahmadinejad has ended?
    • Mark Lincoln
    • 28.09.09
    • 06:00

    In a broadcast interview on NPR, Ahmadinejad admitted that the holocaust happened and was undeniable. The jerk is still waffling, but still he admits the Holocaust was a historic event. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11

  • 11. 0 0
    And Who Cares?
    • Mark Lincoln
    • 28.09.09
    • 05:55

    Hugo Chaves is a Venezuelan politician who was three time targeted by US coups. And he survived all three attempts to depose him. The man deserves some credit for resisting the power of the United States to depose anyone it wishes in Latin America. Beyond that I am underwhelmed by the man's abilities. I doubt if he gives a hoot about anything Amhadinejad thinks. He only need know that the USA wishes to depose Ahmadinijad as it wishes to depose him. Thus, the two men and their nations have everything in common that matters.

  • 10. 0 0
    Chavez
    • Yosemite
    • 28.09.09
    • 05:35

    He's a demogogue. Whenever one guy gets up and says he expresses the hopes and aspirations of an entire continent of people, you have to wonder. Now I'm pretty sure there are a lot worse than him, but you see by playing along with him, we are just encouraging him to keep going forward with his messages. So maybe we need to concentrate more on other people in Latin America that may be gifted in other ways. I watch the Spanish Language channels over here and they cover some of the news down there but mostly the violence and the soccer games. The English channels seem to find only Chavez interesting. You see, we are creating him. I think we need to pay more attention in our English media here in America to what is going on down there. Not just the politics, the drugs, and the violence. But also pay attention to the artists and writers. More of us need to learn Spanish too as well as Hebrew. Chavez is a cross-over phenomena because the left like his Chutzpah. I for one like Shakira.

  • 9. 0 0
    Did Larry King actually believed all that was said by the other?
    • Marco Antonio Morín
    • 28.09.09
    • 05:26

    I am a venezuelan. Watched almost the entire show, and not even one of the answers made to Mr. King was true; well maybe if he was asked his name or age (which maybe it was asked by Mr. King). The guy is a compulsive liar. Since ten years ago, the guy has thrown Venezuela into a downward spiral, that will end two ways; if the guys stays in power after 2012, (election year, but he is got every kind of government official and armed forces under his power)there will be no end to the ruins he is going to produce. Now if we win an election next year, (congress elections)it will be rather difficult for the guy to get elected in 2012. Mr. KIng hope you read this massage.

  • 8. 0 0
    Hugo's Version of a Bully
    • Brad
    • 28.09.09
    • 05:24

    Israel is a beleagured country and it is no answer whatever to say that it has weapons that it has never used. That is just a red herring, a school of which seem to swim in Chavez's confused mind, black heart and red spleen.

  • 7. 0 0
    Europe or Was It the Spaniards? In either case
    • Brad
    • 28.09.09
    • 05:21

    where is all Chavez's anti-Europe vituperative? Where is his criticism of vile Ahmadinejad? Chavez is enjoying & exploiting the fruits of "European" colonianism and hegenomy. And he uses oil $ to perpetrate his singular goal of being the supreme ruler. He will get his is due course and he will get it from his own people.

  • 6. 0 0
    Genocide of Venezuelans in Venezuela's Chavez
    • Ami ben Abraam
    • 28.09.09
    • 05:11

    Venezuela's Chavez is currently the most dangerous country in the world. In its capital of Caracas hundreds of people are estimated to be murdered daily, mostly in petty muggings or drug disputes. More than 600,000 murders since 1999.

  • 5. 0 0
    viper:" the world turns a blind eye to genocide"
    • NOT-Haaretz.com
    • 28.09.09
    • 04:44

    "murder is murder" And for some reason..not one Australian has ever been prosecuted for the genocide of the Aborigenes. Just one more attack on Jews from those who refuse to look in the mirror.

  • 4. 0 0
    Chavez makes more sense and has more intellect than Obama!
    • concerned american
    • 28.09.09
    • 04:16

    I have a great deal of respect for Mr. Chavez. Nothing he says is a lie. Everything he talks about is the truth.

  • 3. 0 0
    You Go Hugo
    • edgar
    • 28.09.09
    • 03:39

    Take that, Larry!

  • 2. 0 0
    denial in its failure to acknowledge the impact of colonialism on
    • Jan D.
    • 28.09.09
    • 03:23

    "denial in its failure to acknowledge the impact of colonialism on South America. " It is not denied in the "West". But he is right, that this issue, and also the Kongo issue is not discussed and very much ignored. (Also in the Belgium media, the people somehow just dont know about it.) After all to compare things (or the word which is used) is forbidden by law in some European states. Of course the fact, that even a discussion is forbidden by law leads to believers in conspiracy theories. Thats what the Iranians trying to build on. They have some success to raise sterotypes and also the conspiracy theory in some country. This will possibly not change as long as the discussions are forbidden.

  • 1. 0 0
    the world turns a blind eye to genocide
    • VIPER
    • 28.09.09
    • 02:38

    chavez is right, it's just not israel that should be condemned, there are a few others as well, the reason i pick on israel, well, the other countries are an internal problem, israel does it to it's neighbours, still, no excuse, murder is murder regardless of who does it.