Wary of pro-settler protest, IDF strip-searches troops at ceremony

Labhras, you are entitled to your opinion. Go express it in your homeland. You use our soil to wage war against Israel, which to the best of my knowledge does not share a border with Pakistan. If you want jihad against Israel, go for it, but dont involve Ireland. We have enough history of conflict that we dont need to import more of it

Labhras, you are entitled to your opinion. Go express it in your homeland. You use our soil to wage war against Israel, which to the best of my knowledge does not share a border with Pakistan. If you want jihad against Israel, go for it, but dont involve Ireland. We have enough history of conflict that we dont need to import more of it

Maybe it's a problem of translation, but no one was "stripped" to be searched. If there was a reminder that the army is not the yeshiva, kol hakavod and about time.

Over 50 years of observing the IDF at work and learning a bit of it's short history before it first came to my attention has been enlightening. Where was I wrong? Were the Palestinian Jewish forces of 1947 not based entirely upon political factions? Why was their separate military organizations such as Haganah, ETZEL, and LEHI? Did not Ben Gurion depoliticize the armed forces after the War of Independence? Has there not been a shift over the last few decades into a situation where the emphasis upon the IDF as an integrating force in Israel to a more politicized organization? You want to discuss the War of the Generals following the Yom Kippur War? WHY should there be an ultra-Orthodox battalion Bibi? Does every faction in Israel need it's own forces as they did during the Mandate? Or do you see the danger in what is happening?

The west Bank/Gaza and ast Jerusalem are occupied territory and as a sovereign cannot occupy it,s own territory it follows that the areas are Occupied. Ergo-under INTL Law --4th Geneva Conventiom arrticle 49 the Etllers who are all Israeli citizene are illegal. But you know this --dont you Zev---you just wont acknowledge the truth

Now you are an expert on the makeup of the Israeli Army. Yesterday you were an expert on Israeli Child Rearing. How do you manage it all. Where do you find the time. After all you are also an expert on mso many other issues as we have learnt through your hundreds of posts.

"If Israel can`t trust its own armed forces, how can other nations trust Israel?" Good point! Just look at how the IDF ignores Israeli High Court decisions in the West Bank, e.g., Bil'in.

If Israel can't trust its own armed forces, how can other nations trust Israel? Any agreement with Israel that involves the IDF is open to doubt. Why should Hezbollah deal with the civilian Israeli gov't, reach some agreement on whatever, only to have the IDF veto it? Why should Obama trust Israel? Should he negotiate directly with the IDF or Shas? We see what's happening in Iran when the military takes over. That started when the armed forces were removed from civilian control and the Revolutionary Guards created.

"Soldiers in the ultra-Orthodox battalion of the Nahal infantry brigade." - Haaretz "The ultra-Orthodox battalion?" At the end of the War of Independence David Ben Gurion disbanded the Palmach because it was an elite unit formed largely of Israel's far-left. This led to the cream of the IDF officer corps resigning. It left a depleted IDF which could be built up from less political officer. It allowed the IDF to be turned into a national rather than political organization where the diverse elements, especially immigrants, could be integrated with a common experience. Now there are segregated units for the ultra-Orthodox? The Kfir Brigade, 50% larger than any other and dominated by settlers is on the verge of mutiny? Israel's politicians have reversed Ben Gurion's wisdom and have been re-politicizing the IDF for decades. Now some are concerned about the consequences? Was this not the objective of their actions? To produce units more loyal to politics than Israel?

Make it clear to the settlers that if the land upon which settlers reside eventually becomes part of a Palestinian state, these settlers will become Palestinian Jews who will travel on Palestinian passports and spend Palestinian currency. They'll see Palestinian doctors in Palestinian hospitals. Palestinian police will investigate crime and Palestinian firefighters will put out their fires. They'll pay taxes to Palestine. Israel has Arabs. Palestine will have Jews. It`s the same thing. Settlers,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, enjoy!!!

Dear Friends in Israel, I understand your concern but you must serve the State of Israel for its safety and protection. By not following orders, you are creating your own cracks in the wall. You are making divisions in Discipline that will allow terror to endanger Israel.Civil War is not impossible if you continue this behaviour.. Please consider carefully what your actions may do to Israel and her people.

Mr Reuven Israel never had any intention to stop occupation!or to have a Palestinian state, with one hand they give and with 3 hand they take away Done that for the last 60 years! For my prospective? let have 1 state :)

awaiting your response to my Post a few days ago---re your settlement in Upper Nazereth and it,s attempts to "overpower " the Arab culture and very presence. why would we lend credibility to anything you would asy. Here is the report "According to historian Geremy Forman, Like other Jewish settlements in the Galilee, an important aim of Upper Nazareth was to ensure Jewish state control and sovereignty in the region. According to IDF Planning Department Director Yuval Ne'eman, the new settlement would "emphasize and safeguard the Jewish character of the Galilee as a whole, and ... demonstrate state sovereignty to the Arab population more than any other settlement operation." More specifically, Upper Nazareth was meant to address the challenge perceived as emanating from the all-Arab city of Nazareth. It would do this not by achieving a Jewish majority within the city of Nazareth itself, but rather by quickly evolving from a neighborhood into a city and eventually overpowering Arab Nazareth numerically, economically, and politically. According to Northern Military Governor Colonel Mikhael Mikhael, the final aim of the settlement was to "swallow up" the Arab city through "growth of the Jewish population around a hard-core group" and "the transfer of the center of gravity of life from Nazareth to the Jewish neighborhood."[4] "

I will have to respectfully challenge your assertion that folks' clothes are removed "all the time" prior to their boarding planes or entering federal buildings in the US. (On the other hand, I have to admit I haven't done either recently.)

1) The IDF has something similar to an "oath of enlistment"...what exactly do IDF soldiers swear in that oath to do? 2) Is conscientious objector status available to Israeli draftees?

Dear Flora, If the occupation is the mother of all evils, why didn't the Arab agree to sign a peace agreement before 1967? Why didn't the Jordanians and the Egyptians let the Palestinians declare a state in 1949? Why did they all agree to the Three Nays of the Khartoum conference in 1967: No Peace, No Recognition (of Israel), No Negotiations. I am afraid you fell in the same trap as many other well intended people.

Is this normal if yes than nothing is wrong with it U.S govt searches people all the time to get on a plane or in some cases to enter federal building.

Is not a jewish home evacuated on Occupy land but Palestinian land and such the soldiers has an obligation to inforce the law! You get out of wonderland! And face fact! Occupation is the evil of all the thing that is happening in the middle east! And is stabilizing the all world!

....long as you create the United Baltic States as the first stage in a complete European unification, one central goverment, one parliament, one court of law and one set of law. And the Arab States create the United Arab Federation with the same set of rules. In the meantime, any idea leading to the de-legitimization of Israel is utterly repugnant and biased.

The job of the IDF is not to evict jews from their home "in Israel" So lond as the West nank has not been annexed it is not part of Israel and military law is applied even to civilians. With more reason to soldiers. The only orders a soldier may disobey is an ilegal order wich in this case it is clearly not the case.

No israel, No Palestine. One State Solution is the best for all. One Man, One Vote, Equality for all inhabitants. Equal Pay for Equal Work, Equal Water Rights. No Apartheid, No Segregation...A Very True Secular Democracy. Let us call it :?State of Holy Land?.

rael and would join Hamas taking their weapons with them at the first opportunity.

A strip search consists of the removal of ALL clothing, sometimes including even underpants, so that the person being searched is completely naked. It's generally only performed after having been arrested for certain crimes; upon entering prison; at airports or other secure areas when there's an immediate security threat; and other serious situations. Having someone lift-up their shirt is NOT a strip search. My advice to these soldiers: suck it up and stop complaining.

One of the best kept secrets is how Raful managed to get out from under during the dismantling of Yamit and other settlements. It is said he went to to doctor and asked for "a few gimelim" that would keep him away from his post. In reality, his second in command was responsible for the act, and not, Raful, who had a case of the "blue flu". As many other Haredi and National Religious leaders, and, others who are not identified with those sectors have said, to force someone to do something against their conscience as a soldier is wrong. What some soldiers do is pull a Raful rather than join their unit and none's the wiser. The smartest thing to do is send the police. A police officer who doesn't take to task can resign if he doesn't like the job and nobody will accuse him of being . . . The task of the IDF is defend the State of Israel, not to evict Jews from their homes. The police enforces government policy and if some of them don't like it, they can leave it.

Because many non-religious soldiers have also protested the ethnic cleansing of Jews. There can't be 2 sets of checking rules.

Any former yeshiva boy will tell you that lifting up the shirt of a student (no matter how it may shock the tender sensibilities of HaAretz) is for the purpose of checking whether the young man is wearing tzitis!!! All praise to the Minister of Defense Barak for instituting this practice.

Once they enlisted, they are in effect owned by the military and subject to military law and sicipline. For those soldiers who protested, you are breaking down unit cpohesion, and should be taken out of combat roles and placed on general base duties. You have broken faith with your Brothers in Arms. let them down . Soldiers do notm practise democracy, they defend it. So that the rest of us can practise democracy. As for the rabbis incitteing this. Jail for 90 days.