UN Human Rights Council makes Israel permanent agenda item

There is no other way to explain such an absurd thing, especially given that the Torah predicts it clearly.

The UN Human Rights C is redefining the meaning of Human Rights.

Clearly you are getting your facts from sources such as Hizbollah, whose fighters, btw, were counted as civilians. We know the truth about Israel, and spreading lies as you do, won't change the truth.

It's pathetic that there aren't thousands of people protesting this in the street outside the building in both Geneva and NYC.

....for your post. You know how it is, for a while you want to post all the time, then after a while, you get sort of bored with it....!

gees you do have a lot to say by all those posts...lol, cheers, keep posting.

Obviously, from reading your well-written posts (although I don't agree with them!) you are extremely intelligent. Therefore, why is it you can't understand that there are two sides to this situation? The entire problem has not been created by the Palestinians, or the Israelis...in every quarrel there are two sides. What I object to is that you are so very one-sided...why can't you give the Palestinians credit for something, and be critical of at least one act of Israel's...

First, as I already stated, Israel is lucky you don't run their secret service, you'd kill the wrong people right and left - I refer of course to you calling me Ballistic. But never mind. When you mention pro-Arab info, you call it unsourced. That is not true; BBC World News, which I watch every night, provides pro-Palestinian info and videotape, and you can see their reporters standing right there in the West Bank and Gaza, thus providing a good view of what those places look like, and the many Israeli soldiers there too. I have another question, though you may not reply to it: when you say, served and lived in Israel, do you mean you have dual nationality, because I thought only Israelis could serve...although, I saw a website recently which advertised a program for American Jews to join the IDF for a short while. Anyway...I understand the pre-emptive attack for defence and don't have a problem with it, but do have a problem with the Israelis treatment of Palestinians since 1967

I read what I wish, trying to assimilate information from varied sources. Of course, I require confirmation of info when at all possible. I encounter one distinct advantage when receivng pro-arab info. Usually it's unsourced, no verifiable links, although I reguest them time and again. Percentages & data made up out of thin hot air. My putting down town & state means nothing. Most of your guys don't even give clues where they got the info from and expect us to believe it at face value. Town & State, Born in NY. Served & lived in Israel. Settlements in West Bank, are a necessary part of fortifications to protect the heartland of Israel. They wouldn't have been there in the first place if Arabs hadn't attacked in '67. Nasser's assembling an army of 100,000 on Israels's borders, ranting for months that he was going to attack, caused Israel to perform a pre-emptive attack. Your neighbor stands outside your house, threatens you, you call the cops, or defend yourself, Israel.

Viper, you have no need whatever to explain yourself or your situation to anyone here. We are here to discuss the issues at hand, and to ignore those posters who like to play private investigator about everyone else. Just keep on posting!!

Do you mean to say that you don't read selectively? And as for anyone "taking it all for themselves", as you accuse the Palestinians of doing, haven't you got that around the wrong way? What are the hundreds of Israeli settlements doing in the West Bank, and increasing every day? As for my having no gut feeling, as you say, about what transpired, do you? As you put simply "USA" on your posts, I have assumed you are an American. Why don't you put a town and state?

Those wars are still very relevant. Since you claim to be American, you would have no gut feeling about what transpired. Your alleged knowledge is that of books and media, reading it all quite selectively. The Arabs could have had a state in 1948 and under other conditons. Their mind is set on destroying Israel, taking it all for themselves. Hamas, refuses to acknowledge Israel and the destruciton of it is in it's charter. Ballistic, you're so obvious.

ben i write these late at night, i work very hard and many hours to provide for my family, so therefore am immensley tired,just so you know, i am not a muslim nor ever was, i was a christian, i am an athiest now, and i personally think religion is fake for certain reasons, you don't have to be reilgious to know what is right or wrong ro be good or bad, hoars wear crosses around there necks ben, does that make them religious? seems your an incompetent idiot, and get that crystal ball changed, your observation about me is totally wrong, hows my spelling now?

I don't "claim to be an American", I am an American, was born here, and live in Darien, Connecticut. However, I have dual nationality with Britain, and have also lived in London for several years. Now that that is out of the way, to address the remainder of your post: I have never, never, claimed to speak for all Americans, and have tried to correct you when you have done so. I know about 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973, I do assure you. I have never denied those wars, not ever. I am not ignoring them, I am saying that they are not relevant now, today, with the situation on the ground in Palestine. We have made mistakes in our country too. Are we to be penalised for them forever? Because "my" Arabs refused a state then, does that mean they can never have one? If you think this viewpoint is pathetic, well, hard luck!

Obviously Israel is not being "singled out" for treatment, since there are at least seven other countries on permanent watch. The real question some have hinted at is "why Israel when there are other countries with worse records?" The answer is "Hypocricy". Russia does not hold iteslf out as being a democracy in the liberal rights tradition. Neither does China. Nations like Sudan and Rwanda have terrible records, but frankly don't have the ability to govern themselves according to western standards. Israel does hold itself out as a modern democracy, and as a state that respects international human rights norms. It has the wealth and power required to substantially ensure those norms are adhered to. But it doesn't. In response, Israel always claims "security!" Perhaps fair, perhaps not - the only way to know is to keep a sharp eye out. Israel is on the list because it deserves to be. Maybe China does too, but that's irrelevant.

not that anyone would want you. Checking your spelling in your initial post in this string, it's quite obvious you're not a native Australian, merely a Muslim import. Spelling is most unusual, words written as you think you heard them. Spelling is neither British or Aussie. Yes, you may have a family, so do roaches and skunkds, so what!!

i havbe a family, and this affects me, not that your smart enough to know how.

Your statement that Israel delivers the UN Human Rights council the excuses for being obsessed with her...??? Yes, unfortunately. That is so far off the mark as to be ludicrous. As has been pointed out by many posters here, the 'world' is composed of human rights abusers like China who have NO RIGHT to be concerned with Israel and its problems. Furthermore your classification of Israel's actions in her self defense as 'human rights abuses' is a tad off the mark but par for the course as far as I can see for many of those Israel-obsessed such as unfortunately yourself. The problem is that those setting the agenda are among the worst abusers of human rights. It is strange and sad to see intelligent individuals such as yourself go along with this.

You claim to be an American, that may be so. However, you can't claim to speak for all American's, you don't. All Military occupation are somewhat brutal, so are the causes that necessiatated the occupation. Namely, the Arabs attacking Israel in 1948, 1956, 1967 & 1973. I gave you the timelines, you choose to ignore them and just keep on ranting forever onward. If your Arabs had taken the Arab share of the UN Partition plan, they too would have had a state alongside of Israel. However, they chose to attack and threw away their chances for peace and tranquility. Keep writing, it only exposes your lack of knowledge, truly pathetic.

It's incombent on you to prove it. A link or something would be considerate. For once, prove you're a mensh.

You say that Hamas says that because the land was once occupied by Muslims, it is a land of Islam forever. Where then is the difference between Israel's position and theirs? Israel believes that because Jews lived there in Biblical times the land is theirs forever. So you both think the same thing. Therefore, the only fair solution is to have two equal free states, Israel and Palestine. Because obviously neither side is going to change its position. As for Hamas' global jihad, the only argument they have with America is America's blind and constant support of Israel, right or wrong. They are not going to be coming here to "conquer for Allah", as you put it. We've got Al Quaida to worry about.

"Democratic Forum for Advanced Countries", another innitial for another hegemonic, self-righteous American idea. Who's democratic? What's a Forum? What for? What on earth is an "advanced" country? Ronnie, Chutzpah has its limits too.

Habib, I read that 9 Gazans who were injured in the Hamas/Fattah killings were taken by Israel to a hospital in Israel for treatment. First: Why is there no hospital in Gaza? Arafat alone had enough stolen money to build one or two. Second: Can you, in your very wildest imagination, imagine the reverse of this scenario? You've been watching too much PA television.

Hamas and the others try to occupy the whole Israel and this is why they are constantly attacking this country and trying to murder people. Hamas and the others? charters state their goal is to drive the Jews out of the ME because, since Israel was once occupied by Muslims, it is land of Islam forever. In case you do not know, they claim to be part of the global jihad. As a consequence, their duty is to murder as many infidels as possible and to conquer or ?reconquer? land on behalf of allah.

You might be right, dear friend, but it is not for them that I toil, but for those who need comfort. Regards, Cipora

This Council is no different from the previous council. Disband and take the funds from it's wheels. It has become a haven of the worst human rights offenders.Close it down. We would like to see a real Human Rights Council, perhaps it is time that a new council be created, not attached to the UN and truly apolitical.

In my innocence I would have thought that the prime mission of a world body professing to promote Human Rights would have been to have ALL societies on a permanent watch,if it deserves to be called a world body at all? Like it or not, breaches of Human Rights are almost universal, on occasions at least,and deserve to be illuminated. As it is, who would respect a police force which only addresses crime in selected districts,but avoided the ones where access was too hazardous or difficult?!?

check it out why. A hint: show, which resolutions were against Israel, which against other countries. Look at the Agenda and Framework for the Program of Work from June 17. http://www.unwatch.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=bdKKISNqEmG&b=1355321&ct=3967509 Which is the single country that is mentioned in the whole text of procedures and actions, in II. Agenda, and in III. Framework for the Program of Work How do the I. Principles: Universality, Impartiality, Objectivity, Non-selectiveness comply with the selection and focus on one country?

Akram, you missed a good paid job. You could have made a great speech-writer for George W. Bush a few years ago: "The good and the evil in this world". Don't worry Akram, even if I may totally disagree with your political views, I don't hate you. Not a bit....:)

But I totally disagree with you, when it comes to the use of lethal force against stone- throwing Palestinian youths and kids. Of course I don't believe that you are shooting those kids intentionally. Not for a second. But in our Western societies kids simply are granted a special protection. And therefore the minimum we could expect from Israel, is to refrain from using weapons against them, which have the potential to kill (rubber bullets for example). A high-tech army like Israels has definitely other means for the worst case scenario (tear-gas, water). Believe me, there is nothing in this world, not all the settlements, which is damaging Israels image in the world as much as the use of lethal force against stone-throwing kids. And by the way, it is only serving old, horrible anti-Semitic stereotypes ("Jews don't care for the life of non-Jewish children"). Please, think about it.

Gil, with regard to settlements: Look, you should not be under any illusions: The more settlements you expand in the West Bank, the less the chances that they will ever be removed, it will simply become a logistical problem. I am NOT against Jewish life in the West Bank, on the contrary, you have your historical roots there, so there is no reason to dispute that. I am only against the worldwide anomaly of Jewish-only settlements. The Jews in the West Bank should be integrated into the Arab population, maybe live in separate parts of towns, but not in separate cities. But of course this will only be possible within the frame work of a negotiated peace deal with the Palestinian Arabs. By the way, I'm aware of the fact, that Israel honoured her previous commitments with Egypt and Jordan very well, so that's definitely a plus point for you. Continued....

check why it is not.

there are more countries that do violate this, it's just they don't cry " we are always persecuted", sorry lynn, but israel does that more than any other country, but yes, israel is not alone on this, syria is a big culprit too, but not on the same scale as israel.

Dear Cipora read my post 349# (& the other Haaeretz might print 'turn your back'). The truth and the question is:Do we need to argue with those who are born and breed hostile from the cadle to the grave ? If they ignore to see themselves in the mirror they turn their back to what is going on in Gaza. They are converted to hate. Ignoring them might, just might help them to suffocate. They contribute nothing to the argument except some rubbish the dustman wouldn't take. It is time dear Cipore to treat them at their real value. Isn't it enough to see them with their own blood in their on own hands in Gaza, Iraq, Lebanon .. ? Remember the very first words of the Tehillim: "Bless is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked, nor stand in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of scorners". Aren't they all these things ? Bless you Cipora & bless your heart of Gold.

2).In regards to your remark on shooting, I still say they ought not to be there, Most of the children shot, are shot because of getting in arms way, The IDF is not some sadistically mental army that looks how to shoot children, As for the stones just know that a stone can easily kill a parson, if you know how to sling it! No one is trying to kill any Palestinian chilled, accidents do happen; it?s enough for a plastic bullet to ricochet in to a person?s aye to do a sufficient damage that could kill him!

In respect to what we have said: 1).Our reinforcing Settlements don?t mean that at the end of the day we won?t give the land (which is ours by right) away, to remind you, Israel had settled in Gaza and it gave it all up to the Palestinians! More than that, Israel showed it?s intentions to the Palestinians in West Bank by dismantling 2 of her based settlements in the West Bank when she withdrew from Gaza! I think the world should know by now, that when Israel will sign a peace treaty which is based on trust Israel will be bound to her word! Until then the world has no right forcing us how to act in regards to settlements ? because I see no country that would possibly act no different. Continued?.

You should be so lucky!

Lynn, again, does the Human Rights Council give the impression to be a little bit obsessed with Israel...??? Yes, indeed (I think, I made that clear in my first post). But does Israel deliver the UN Human Rights council the excuses for being obsessed with her...??? Yes, unfortunately. And very much so.

Wow, Alain, you can do it !! That was your first constructive post to me (apart from your first sentence...). Look, I may agree with some of your points and I may disagree with others. The problem is, I have not the slightest doubt that the Arabs could also come up with a list of 25 "facts" and Israeli "sins". So I'm afraid that the look into the past won't bring us any further. The only thing that counts is the present and the future. And you can make an (at least partly) justified claim that Israel is getting singled out on the HRC. But that doesn't change a bit my point: It would be in Israels hands to take the nece- ssary steps, so there would be no reason any- more to single out Israel in the first place. That would be called smart and reasonable politics.

...and I am an "ostrich" who likes to bury its head into the sand. You are just angry, because you know exactly that my analysis was absolutely correct. P.S. By the way, read my post again and you will see that I DID NOT write that there is no other democracy on this earth commiting worse human rights abuses than Israel. (NOT MANY !!!)

Israel is creating news more than solutions. Those in the anti-Israeli camp are winning in the news.The media is supposed to be more on the side of the underdogs.Through out history there was no more underdogs than the Jews. Yet,the media always blinded itself to that. The Palestinian from the day is born he expect to be looked after. The Israeli from he & she is born he &she must be ready to go to the army. The Israeli has no time to play the underdog game. Yes Game. For now there is no doubt that this so called 'conflict'is a Game.A Game the Palestinians are enjoying to play with guns and things more lethal. It is time Israel should call the spade a spade It is a crucial time;Israel should look things in the face.It is time Israel should leave the corner where the world and the media are boxing Israel.We are surrounded by a hostile world and media.If we loose and we are gone no one will cry for us. Israel Should Drop the World. No More Middle Men. (As Bush said)

What dose thesaurus suggest? 1. Barbarous Rights Council 2. Inhuman Rights Council 3. Inhumane Rights Council It's funny, but Unhuman Rights Council could be translated into my mother tongue as: 'Unmenschenrechtsrat' which means: 1. Babarian Rights Council 1. Brute Rights Council 1. Fiend Rights Council Actually all these explanations match, considering the human and civil rights conditions in the majority of the council members.

# 299 Silvienne - You have a funny way of twisting my wards Miss Silvienne, I have noting bad to say about the roll of US in WW2, I think they are well justified, just as Israel?s conduct in Lebanon But when someone comes and talks about morality of killing civilians, She ought to look at her own country first, when dealing with aggressions! As for us Israelis being greedy, I think you should look at the city of Habron for example a city were Jews lived almost continuously throughout the Byzantine, Arab, Mameluke and Ottoman periods. It was only in 1929 ? as a result of this Arab pogrom Jews were forced to flee and that the city became temporarily "free" of Jews. Now who is the greedy one? And how does it make the Arab-Palestinians landlords?

Of course you may say that, but you will not deny, of course, that military occupation of another land is illegal under international law; as is the building of settlements on that land and populating them. As for the "wanton murder" you refer to, explain please why the Palestinian death rate is over three times that of the Israeli each year? The wanton-ness lies more on the side of the IDF, it seems. The armed resistance the Palestinians resort to is a direct result of living under Israeli military occupation since 1967. The human rights of Palestinians are violated consistently by the IDF. Checkpoints, bulldozers, walls, settlements, curfews, missiles....and so on. Also it is lawful to resist occupation of one's land, which is what they are doing.

I would venture to say that the crimes of "occupation" that is the outcome of DEFENSIVE war and the act of civilian settlement in themlseves are crime far less serios that those of wanton murderor and constant attack on innocent civilians for the sole purpose of instilling terror for political gains. This is what the Arabs in the Land of Israel have been doing for almost a century now.

"According to the Maori the Whites are still occupying NZ" itsik. Wrong big time itsik this just shows, you know nothing about the history of my country. The Treaty gives Pakeha "whites the right to be here,under article 2 of the Treaty Maori are accorded their rights to their lands and possessions which some tribes have settled with the Crown and others are having their claims addressed at this moment. Our arguement has always been with the Crown not with the citizens of Aotearoa "NZ". The Treaty of Waitangi was signed in 1840 at Waitangi by the Crown and Maori. As Tangata Whenua the Treaty guarantees Pakeha the right to be here.

sorry, I don't understand: "It seems the only reason for the existence of the UN is to censure Israel and no other. If that is the case, it should be disbanded. " Did you mean Isreal, or what? ;-)

The State of Israel is a Criminal State full stop. US/Israeli relations are a front for global terrorism. When the world sees the State of Israel for what it is we will find a path to lasting peace globally. No one has to wipe the State of Israel off the map - the Israelis will do it to themselves. The psychopathic need of the Chosen to control others will in time lead to the total destruction of the State of Israel and the threat is within your own community. It is only a matter of time now. Any form of extremism is a threat to all of us – it is time that Jews wake up. Stop playing the victim using anti Semitism to front what Jews within your own community have done to for centuries to front global fascism. If you want people of the world to respect you – stop using the Holocaust to market hate. If this were not true a large percentage of Holocaust survivors would not be living in poverty today. The billions recovered has not gone to those who walked out of the Camps.

Sometimes Non-Jews like Evangelical Christians are able to make a better argument for Israel than most Jews can. I don't know. We had the League Of Nations and that thing eventually fell apart. Hasn't the United Nations always been hijacked by Islamists diverting attention from places like Darfur that really require action? Lot's have died because Arabs used up all the floor time to attack Israel. Well take Israel out of the equation now, because these Islamists are after the USA and Britain. And they've infiltrated the left as well because the left have always been dominated by academics and it's the oil money that pays the academics' salaries. You know, I want to say Israel should just declare itself the first Euro-Arab country thinking that will end it but it won't. Nope. Moses started something and it won't end till Jesus throws Hanoi Dane in the crapper.

Yep, we have our own Human Rights Issues. Terrible, actually, except in comparison to the overwhelming number of countries in the world. And, I guess, that was Canada's point. If the Council wants to be serious about its job, it ought to take the most egregious abusers and start there. P.S. Ireland doesn't have a constitutionalize Bill of Rights, is that right? Just wonderen!

You shock me when you say that Harper doesn't speak for all Canadians. Geez, this is worse that the birds and bees lecture my mommy gave me. Oh well, we will have to live with the fact that Harper, unlike Putin, Haniyeh, Abbas, Mubarak, Siniora, Assasd (need I go on), doesn't speak for all of his people. But I'll tell you this little Chet, he speaks for more of us than you do. Run for Parliament Chet. Then you can do what your heroes do, really suppress human rights. Canadian women have made way too much progress anyway. Let's put them behind the veil. Lets stone them if they fool around or embaress us. Let's kick them out of institutes of advanced education and certainly out the Supreme Court. In short, lets look to those countries, the Islamic countries, where leaders speak for everyone.

Yep, your right, Israel ain't perfect. But that is not the issue that has been debated. The issue is why Israel, given all the choices. In your post you yourself agree by saying that many Nations have worse human rights records. And I'm sure you'll agree that many of them sit on the Human Rights Council itself. And now Ban moon-li says that he Human Rights Council is harsh with Israel. Wake up and smell the coffee Double time. Its taking a long time but slowly every one is waking up. Notice the comments made about Hamas by the Gazans in Israeli hospitals. And don't give me that crap about coercion or intimidatin. He had the guts to also criticize Israel, amongst other things for not going into Gaza. Can you imagine what would have happened had Israel done that? What would you have said. Hey, some countries and peoples are just damed (if they do or don't). yah.

Actually, Indy, Israel is not an occupier. Most of the countries in the Western hemiphere are, including my Canada, all of norther Europe and Russia is. Same with China and then there are all those occupiers in the Islamic countries. Time has worn the evidence thin in these latter countries but not away. Islam has occupied Indonesia and the Palestinians are occupying Jewish lands. love Indonesian food and the people in Bali. I gather that its not an Islamic island. Well, you'll fix that eh!

The United Nations are just as useless as the League of Nations. Is this council interested in human rights or in politics? Just the other day I read that 'human rights champions' Cuba and Zimbabwe are off the permanent list. So, like most UN organizations, don't bother about this bla-de-bla council the Western tax payer subsidizes...

I don't know anything about "leftist slogans", as you call them, but I can tell you the first time the term "Greater Israel" was explained to me. I was working in a Jewish doctor's office with the wife of a rabbi here in Connecticut, and I heard her use the expression. She was explained that it meant the Israeli dream of owning not only Israel but all of Palestine as well.

"The bad guys are Hamas who have started this by occupying Gaza". I'm a bit astonished by this, when you remember that Israel occupied Gaza for the last 40 years, and imposed much suffering upon innocent Palestinian civilians. Regarding our own secular world in the West, I really don't see that Hamas and Hezbollah are any sort of threat to us. Their conflict is regional, and their region is not here. (Now Al Quaida, of course, is a different story). But Hamas and Hezbollah are not interested in us.

"Even if you cannot understand the difference, Americans understand the difference between the justifiable actions taken by Israel...." Well, we'd disagree over that term "justifiable", unfortunately.... But, you cannot claim to be speaking for all Americans, now can you? I am an American myself and do not support Israel's brutal military occupation of Palestine.

Hello Labhras: odd that Lynn would say the Irish have no control over money spent by other countries yet not state her own country!! I bet your other citizenship is the same as mine: British/American?

Lynn Sez she read it on UNwatch.org, based in Geneva. So therefore it must be true Yeah but run by Jewish people FOR Israel, just like CAMERA,MEMRI and any other bogus Israeli propaganda sites intended to mislead people UN Watch was established in 1993 under the Chairmanship of Ambassador Morris B. Abram, the former U.S. Permanent Representative to the United Nations in Geneva. UN Watch participates actively at the UN as an accredited NGO in Special Consultative Status to the UN Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC) and as an Associate NGO to the UN Department of Public Information (DPI). UN Watch is affiliated with the American Jewish Committee (AJC). OOPS Does that say American jewish Committee ? No that can't be. The decievers have so many "Watch" sites its pitiful...too bad they can't "Watch" themselves when they do wrongful and criminal things. Keep up the good work Lynn Maybe they will let you mop their floors as a reward for being such a good servant of Israel. L

this all goes back to 1948.... when 54 odd countries, the majority of whom were white european imperialists, us led americas, australia, new zeland, aparthied s. africa. they all voted for creating israel. a minority of about 14, india, pakistan...and other ex colonies voted against this resolution, which gave to israel, without bothering to consider the opinion or feelings of the people who had lived there for 2000 years. it is for this reason why israel gets shafted in a fully representative un, which rightly considers it to be a creation of the white imperialists. subsequent israeli behaviour makes it worse.

Cuba, Lybia, Burma, Iran, China, North Korea, Syria, are not permanently scrutinized. Israel is. Schwer zu sein a Jid ! (It's hard to be Jewish).

to UNHRC. I am behind that 100%. Hog futures would be a better investment!!

Not one has even been censured since the beginning of the new Council, which is now headed by Zimbabwe.

22 resolutions brought against Israel and 1 brought against the US. THAT is what I protest. The unbalanced bull the Council slings. Can youthink of any other country that has Human Rights abuses that were sanctioned? It seems the only reason for the existence of the UN is to censure Israel and no other. If that is the case, it should be disbanded. Council doesn't want to hear from the rapoteurs that have brought other issues totheir attention.

I feel making any country a permanent part of the Human Rights agenda is wrong as hell. I believe all of the UN Human Rights Council gave China and a few other countries a pass to concentrate on Israel. Why do you see that as right? Zimbabwe is chairing the Human Rights Council? PLEEEEZ!!!! Sudan got a lukewarm warning and nothing more. It took the Security Council to push for more UN troops to that region. The Council is also getting rid of some of their investigators in certain countries belonging to the Council. This is what you call objective or neutral? Seems a bit one sided to me. UNwatch.org, based in Geneva.

Thank goodness for the U.N. Israel make be able to con America with their control of Hollywood. Even the L.A. Times is on record stating Jews are the majority in that industry. Too bad for the Zionists that they can't con the rest of the world with their ethnic cleansing, apartheid policies and commission of countless war crimes. Justice will be a hard task master when the pendulum swings in the other direction.

canada brought up the Sudan and Indonesia, China and a few others and was condemned by the whole Council for it. 7 Times!!!!! UN watch.org gives Canada a big thumbs up for their bravery!! Canada rocks!!

Do they care or just need a whipping boy to divert attention from their own behaviour?

My mother would take real issue with you calling her chicken soup and matzo balls crappy.

Click you forgot 1 billion Muslims. What the heck just a small over site. You are right most people have no overt thought of Jews. However, play word association with the word Jew and see what you get in many cases. Unfortunately it may take many more generations for dirty and Jew to be separated when people do think of Jews. Click if you are not a Jew you just wouldn't get it.

The ethnically cleansed Islamic Republic of Palestine from the "river to the sea". Instead of quoting leftist slogans why not quote Hamas verbatim? "Greater Israel" is not consistent with an elected Palestinian Government,withdrawal in exchange for peace in Sinai and Jordan or in exchange for Hesballa lies in South Lebanon. There are no Israelis in Gaza! Twisting and ignoring the Palestinian the Palestinian role in this conflict helps nobody.

taste joke. Ridiculous.

So by your reasoning it is acceptable for a country to violate human rights, or condemn another country if they aren't democratic. Does that make sense? It's like saying that it's only acceptable for a bricklayer to evaluate a physics textbook or a criminal to judge the innocent.

How easily you twist reality. Is it not the case that Hamas has diminished their citizens rights by killing dozens of Palestinian Arabs? Is it not the case that Palestinian Arabs would serve their interests if they decided to stop shooting their guns in anger or celebration, and simply stopped shooting period? Is it not the case that Hamas's stated goal is Israel's destruction? Is it realistic for you to argue that Israel needs to "live and let live" when Hamas has made clear that they will settle for nothing less than Israel's destruction? Do you truly believe that Israeli withdrawal from the WB would lead to peace? Look at what happened in Gaza - geez! While I doubt that you will respond to this direction questions, I do hope you might consider such "moderate" behavior. Live and let live Dutch and show some courage without finger-pointing.

Yes Israel is fighting the terrorists in Gaza but not invading it at this moment. However Israel is also helping the palestinian Arabs who are running for their life because Hamas will kill them. The bad guys are the Hamas who have started this by occupying Gaza. They do not recognize Israel and dedicated to its destruction. They are also a big threat to Egypt, Jordan etc where they would like to establish sheria and even Europe. If the west and the secular world want to protect their secular way of life they must fight Hamas and Hizbullah cause they are dedicated to destroy that all around the world in the name of Islam.

Hal As disgusting and unimaginable.i will add before i leave,that the people who should be procescuted and hunted down are those same so-called U.N hypocritical "inhuman"rights as they should be called and end of story. My eyes and fingers are hurting and I am so fed-up with the constant vilification of Israel when the majoity of the other real brutish inhuman countries are left in peace to carry out their nefarious deeds. Hal dear man,Israel will survive this as yet another attack against us. God bless and keep you...

" If any other country on earth treated their neighbours the way Israel treats the Palestinians, America would never stop condemning their conduct. " Even if you cannot understand the difference, Americans understand the diffence between the justifiable actions taken by Israel in self defence and the barbaric actions in Darfur rooted in ethnic cleansing. Israel's actions must be judged on the basis of the constant overt threats to its existence. In that respect, Israel is indeed unique.

Re "HE DOES NOT SPEAK FOR ALL CANADIANS!". Neither do you. Not everybody can be purchased with petro-billions.

Hi Silvienne, That whole train of posts began with a response from me to '13 Hal who was demanding the USA cut off all funds to the UNHRC.I suggested that they include all states with a track record of HR abuse or "Apartheid" like behaviour. Lynn interejected and Informed me that as I am Irish, I have no control over how they spend their money. I assume Lynn is from America but she is not proud enough to show that.In any event guess what my other citizenship is. Rgards

Israel's decision to not cooperate with the hypocritical UNHRC was the correct decision. As long as Israel is singled out on a permanent basis for this kind of treatment, in violation of the principle of sovereign equality, and of the principle of universality, Israel has no obligation to cooperate.

16. Out of 175 UN Security Council resolutions through 1990, 97 were against Israel. Out of 690 General Assembly resolutions, 429 were against Israel 17. The UN was silent when the Jordanians destroyed 58 synagogues in the Old City of Jerusalem. It remained silent while Jordan systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on Mount of Olives and it remained silent when Jordan enforced apartheid laws preventing Jews from accessing the Temple Mont and Western Wall. 18: ?Palestinians? never sought statehood during their occupations by Egypt and Jordan as they had always considered themselves a provincial backwater of Syria?s. Staehood was used a rallying cry to exterminate the Jewish state of Israel. 19. Nevertheless, Jews accepted the 1937 Peel Commission plan for statehood and Arabs rejected it. Jews accepted the 1947 UN Partition Plan, Arabs rejected it. Israel offered the Arabs peace in 1948, and by extension statehood and the Arabs rejected it. Israel offered the Arabs peace in 1956, and by extension statehood and the Arabs rejected it. Israel offered Arabs peace in 1967 and by extension statehood and the Arabs rejected. Israel offered peace in 1973, and by extension statehood and the Arabs rejected. 20. Israel again offered peace and land in 2000 and 2001. Arabs rejected it. 21. With each rejection and with every Arab instigated war, the Israeli public rightfully demands more concessions for peace. But overwhelmingly, Jews prefer peace. Overwhelmingly, Arabs prefer war. 22. King Abdullah I of Jordan was assassinated in 1953 because he wanted to make peace with Israel. 23. Anwar Sadat, President of Egypt, was assassinated in 1981 because he wanted to make peace with Israel. 24. Bachir Gemayel, President-elect of Lebanon, was assassinated in 1982 because he wanted to make peace with Israel. 25. The Arab League is responsible for this entire ordeal to begin with and their dubious proposals are meant for Western consumption. Why did they reject each and every Israeli peace offering?

All you do is make grand pronouncements like the armchair general that you are - pure mental masturbation. If you actually read up on your history a little you find the following: 1. Israel became a state in 1312 BCE, two millennia before Islam was even conceived (or plagiarized from the worst elements of Judaism and Christianity) 2. Arab refugees from what is now Israel began calling themselves ?Palestinians? in 1967, two entire decades after Israel was recreated 3. After conquering the land in 1272 BCE (many suggest they were there all along), Jews ruled the land (which includes what is now Jordan) for a thousand years and maintained a continuous presence for 3300 years 4. The only Arab rule following their imperialist conquest in 633 CE lasted just 22 years 5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem was the Jewish capital and was never the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even under Jordanian rule, East Jerusalem was not made the capital and no Arab leader ever visited it in any official capacity because it was considered a backwater 6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the Torah, but not once in the Quran 7. King David founded Jerusalem, Mohammed never set foot in it 8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem, whereas Muslims face Mecca. If between the two cities, Muslims face Mecca with their backs to Jerusalem 9. In 1948, Arab leaders urged their people to leave, promising to cleanse the land of all Jewish presence. 68% of the fled without ever setting eyes on an Israeli soldier 10. Virtually the entire Jewish population of Muslim countries, who predate Islam by millennia, had to flee with only the shirts on their backs as a result of violence and pogroms 11. Some 630,000 Arabs left Israel, while close to 1,000,000 Jews were forced to leave Muslim countries. They lost everything they had and arrived in Israel destitute. 12. In spite of the vast territories at their disposal, Arab refugees were deliberately prevented from assimilating into their host countries. Of the over 100 million refugees since WW2, they are the ONLY group to have never integrated with their own coreligionists and ethnic group. Comparatively, most of the Jewish refugees from Europe and Arab lands were settled in Israel a country no larger than New Jersey 13. There are 26 Muslim countries, 8 Roman Catholic countries, 3 Eastern Orthodox countries, 4 Lutheran, 4 Buddhist, and 1 Hindu country. There is only one Jewish state. Arabs started all five wars against Israel and lost every one of them. 14. Fatah and Hamas constitutions both still call for the destruction of Israel. Israel ceded most of the West Bank and all of Gaza to the PA and even provided it with arms 15. During the Jordanian occupation of the West Bank and Jerusalem, Jewish holy sites were vandalized/desecrated and remained off limits for Jews. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian holy sires are accessible to all faiths

Does anyone have this information?

Jacob I just managed to read your posts and it sounds horrific that Israel should be the one and only tiny country in the whole wide world to be under such dradful scrutiny(unjustly) while the rest of the world looks on.Tell me.When do you think this madness will end? When will we be living free of accusations and castigations while the countries you enumerated get scott free.Oh,I know you gave us the reasons,BUT!does it justify it all? Did you read about Sir Salman Rushdi's nighthood threatening Britain with suicide bombing unless they reverse Salman's rise to this nighthood? And this country happens to be Pakistan,and so-called friend of the U.S.Where do I begin?....

"From your point of view, is it in accordance with human rights that Hamas, Islamic Jihad attack Israel" I'll dare to speak for Dutch and reply, Of course not. But the point is, Hamas and Islamic Jihad are not occupying Israeli towns, building settlements, imposing curfews, and denying Israelis any semblance of decent life. This is what Israel is doing to the Palestinians. It's so well documented that I can't understand how you'd deny it.

amongst others the Islamic states? Is this another politically correct feel good excersize?

"Few countries are in such complete and vociferous denial of their abuses (Israel)" Few countries apart from Israel get such a free pass on this from America, either.

....to say there is no other country quite like Israel. I agree it occupies a privilidged place in the world. If any other country on earth treated their neighbours the way Israel treats the Palestinians, America would never stop condemning their conduct. We'd hear about it every single day....but Israel, as always, gets a free pass from America on its shameful denial of basic human rights to Palestinians.

To Lynn: "BTW Jews are not the only people to have Dual Citizenship". Quite right, Labhras. I have dual citizenship, and so do many other people.

It is simply a lie to say that no democracy commits worse human rights violations than Israel. It is a total hypocrisy to say that Israel, because she is a democracy, should be singled out from all nations as worthy of permanent, non-stop opprobrium. All of this is plain, despicable hypocrisy. You will not convince any of us, so you are preaching to the legions of committed opponents of Israel. The only reason the world community dares act like this is precisely because it is Israel. There is no point to even discussing it. If it were not for the United States, and the wonderful American people, Israel would be wiped off the map. That is the only fact worth mentioning. I have nothing but the deepest contempt for these areguments and their advocates. My last post on this matter.

As we post here, I have just seen on the television - pro-Israel New York American news - that Israel has just unleashed the deadliest attack against Gaza since it pulled out of Gaza. Pulled out, but back again, it seems, complete with the army, the tanks, the missiles, the planes, the helicopters....

....If Israel withdrew from the West Bank, removed its settlements (and hostile settlers) and checkpoints from Palestinian towns, demolished its Wall (instead of Palestinian homes), took its tanks and its planes and its entire army and left Palestinian land - and stayed out, not still attacking it as they are doing to Gaza right now - Israel would be astonished at how fast countries in Europe would be supporting it, Arab countries would be recognising it, the UN and International Court would be applauding it. It's worth a try - the dream of "Greater Israel" is only bringing the condemnation of the world community as the Palestinians suffer.

Your sarcastic, hostile post addressed to Natalie appears to be attempting to equate America's role in World War 2 with Israel's outrageous conduct in the Palestinian territories; illegal occupation, illegal imprisionment, illegal murder, illegal destruction of property, and so on. If America had not taken part in WW2 how many more Jews do you think would have died in the Nazi death camps? How dare you castigate Natalie with a "death toll of 20,000 civilians in one day" in WW2? If you really see no difference between WW2 and Israel's greedy desire to possess Palestine - "Greater Israel", all I can say is...well, I've said it.

hey your back again.....ever heard of aboriginal reservations in aus, usa, canada segregation is the norm in most of the developing world.... the world is bigger than israel...hey abbas also called hamas murderous terrorists...guess we're all agreed then

Duncan, fortunately most people get 2 chances in life. So Olmert and Abbas both got another one now, in order to show the world that they can do better. I'm afraid it will be the last one. By the way, when did Husseini say that...??? 20 years ago...???

And I am not talking about Hamas, I`m talking about Mahmoud Abbas, who was begging for negotiations with Ariel Sharon, but got a pretty shrude rebuff ("irrelevant"), .... If abbas cannot control the terrorists of his own faction, that makes him pretty much irrelevant. I suspect within a few weeks when terror starts to come out of west bank, (the excuse will be that israel is putting an end to gaza rocket ttacks, not that terrorists need an excuse) he will again be deemed to be irrelevnt. duncan Duncan

I have never branded Israel a saint either, yes she ignores Int`l community & yes she avoids negotiations. But it is so easy & the right thing to do under present circumstances. How can she adhere to UN or Int`l body, even more so its spread branches, when everything is so bias, corrupt, dictated to by certain interests (mostly anti Israeli) & so useless. And how can she negotiate under present Muslim world conditions & dogma (mind you I have not said Pal conditions, it is way beyond that). I have always preferred negotiations, but dismissing the reality we are witnessing, venturing into totally `blind` negotiations for the sake of negotiating (& praying for the best after, maybe it will shoot through) is beyond lunacy.

Hi Gil,to the 3 "magic" points: 1. Look, with regard to the West Bank, the Israeli society simply has to decide what kind of future she wants. If you don't wanna give it away, you will have no choice but to sooner or later annex it and to make the Palestinians there to Israeli citizens. Which will then lead in a century to an Arab majority in Israel. If I would be Israeli Jew, I would fear that like the devil fears the Holy Water. But that is your choice. 2. If you think that the fact that (some) Pale- stinian parents are careless enough to send their children into harms way, gives you the right to shoot them (even in "self-defence"), then your society has really a quite serious "occupation-syndrome" problem. 3. It is only your decision, whether you wanna accept foreign proposals or not. But if your governement rebuffs one after the other, you will have to live with a certain "arrogance- image" abroad. Or the old phyisical principle: Action = Reaction....:)

"The Arab league has offered Israel land for peace now for the second time. " Hamas does not accept the offer. Until then it is hypothetical. Nor will saudi arabia meet with israel to discuss it. "Israel till today has refrained both from making a credible counter offer or presenting an own Israeli peace plan." it has it is called the road map. " That pretty much sums up the facts on which the Western democracies have to make their judge- ment. By taking just a few steps, Israel could immediately turn the balance in her favour " prejudice is not so easily overturned. The west has still not aplogised in its collaboration in the extermination of Israel. duncan

Jacob Blues, you can judge the UN however you want, but there are a few incontestable facts: 1. There are many countries in this world who commit (much) worse human rights abuses than Israel. 2. There are not many democracies in this world who commit worse human rights abuses than Israel. 3. There are hardly any democracies in this world who face a similar environment as Israel. 4. The Arab league has offered Israel land for peace now for the second time. 5. Israel (for understandable reasons) doesn't like the refugee part of the Arab league offer. 6. Israel till today has refrained both from making a credible counter offer or presenting an own Israeli peace plan. 7. The world is wondering why...??? That pretty much sums up the facts on which the Western democracies have to make their judge- ment. By taking just a few steps, Israel could immediately turn the balance in her favour. It is only in her hands.

Unfortunately, your nasty comments about others who use this site in both your posts belie the sincerity of your claim to seek an exchange of diverse opinions.

The reason, my dear Mr. O'Brian, is $$$$$$$$$ and more $$$$$$ in political donations as well as the support of a media that is disproportionately owned by Jews. Okay pro-Zionists, time to strike up the "anti-semite" and "Jew-hater" band.

if arafat's friend husseini says oslo is only a trojan horse to undermine israel, the palestinians can hardly be surprised if sharon puts difficulties in their way. duncan

Face the critizism and work to find better ways to deal with your situation! The world outside of Israel doesn?t consider the jewish people to be the victim anymore. And you act like a bunch of kids pointing your finger at somebody who's ?worse? than you, each time you?re being critizised! Nobody denies that some of you live with the fear of Qassam, that there are elements of danger around you, that Israel is not the safest place to be. Yet; you israelis are considered to be a civilized, rich and well educated people and we ask of you to be better. What ever a decision in the UN Human Rights council can really do to affect the actions of your government, I think it quite well represents how people in Europe look upon this matter. Israel is a strong nation with powers to stabilize ME situations. We ask of you to start doing so.

mixture of Israels total ignoring of all reprimands by the International Community over the past decades (settlements) If israel wants to avoid the awful fate of sderot and becoming daily bombared by missiles. It will have to keep a close control on palestinian society. settlements has proven the best way to do this. Before the gaza evcution one could deny this, after it is very difficult to. duncan

Back the resolution of the UNITED NATIONS HUMAN RIGHT COUNCIL. Is it that have some HR problems of their own?

One can only hope and pray that Harper's blind support of the US ad Israel will cause him to pay dearly in the next election. HE DOES NOT SPEAK FOR ALL CANADIANS!

#255 Swiss (Dino) Why not get Israel bow to the world, Kiss their Asses and lick shoes? Just because things seam to be wrong, Don?t make them wrong! ?People don?t regard the West Bank as part of Israel?, Well good for them, But what to do Israel won it fare and square. Only to remind you Israel at the start of the 6 day war told Jordan to keeps its nose out of the war, but Jordan insisted to get in and use the opportunity of war to gain some territory, this cost her the West Bank which would have been hers today if only she stayed out of it! ?Immediate change of rules of engagement with regard to kids? Dino I say it simple, if a parent knows what is good for his chilled don?t send him to a danger zone, and especially don?t arm him with stones! ?Different reaction to well-meant proposals? Dino ?well-meant proposals? are in the mind of the beholder.

that the United Nations HEADQUARTERS should be closed from the US land.The UN should in fact be transfered to JERUSALEM City, that was proposed by the League of Nations, to become an INTERNATIONAL CITY AS VATICAN CITY IS TODAY. The JEWS accepted the Partition that give them a homeland on 50% of PALESTINE and also ACCEPTED of the Jerusalem Status then, or may be NOT??? remember that at that time there were never a mention of" OUR ETERNAL CITY", then for OBVIOUS reason UN /League of Nations were very good and sympathetics , but today it is not the same when the UN asking Israel to abide by the DOZENS of resolutions, they ignored. The WORLD Communities are no more sorry for the (OLD UNDER DOGS)Israelis, but for the ( NEW UNDER DOGS)Palestinians ,especially when witnessing the daily sufferings of the OCCUPIED community under the MILIARY OCCUPATION. The only thing that counted then was to have a HOMELAND finally after 2000 years .

Stop the illegal Settlements and the occupation and we will be all very happy to keep Israel as just a "Memory'.I am sure the UNHRC feels the same. Rgards

From your point of view, is it in accordance with human rights that hamas, Islamic jihad, etc. attack Israel and lynch pals?

Hello, KATH. I wrote just a few members of the UNFRC but there are more that usually violate human rights, in spite of the fact that they are not at war. And those countries do not take into account that Israel has been forced to fight a defensive war.

Granted, there are many nations that have equal or worse human rights records than Israel. But few countries are in such complete and vociferous "denial" of their abuses. (Read some of the responses to this article) Rather than focusing upon the abuses of other countries, descent citizens of each country should first clean up their own act.

Duncan, in 1973 I was only 5 years old, so you probably might be able to find better experts on the Yom Kippur war than Dino from Switzer- land. But I suppose that apart from the oil-weapon, there probably was the general perception in Europe of Israels invincible army, which made it "easier" for them to remain "neutral". Israels army simply was "too" successful 1967. I assume that if they had seen Israels existence in danger, they would have acted in a different way. At least I hope so.

Many thanks for your thoughtful comments. Please be assured that a diverse exchange of opinions is all I seek. Unfortunately, for the most part, there is little intelligent opinion and much insulting and personal abuse, neither of which should have any place for intelligent discourse.

fred is very educated man, unlike manyof the Ben Fartoes.Please do respect others opinion, or stay away good social gathering. Thank you .

you say that there is "no other country comparible to Israel". There is no other country being demonized for protecting itself from billions of rabid extremists sworn to its destruction. There is ot other country that is a Jewish State (perhaps this is the crux), there is no other country that people feel so free to attack, revile, besmirch and criticize. There is hardly a smaller country in the world and there is hardly another country like t that contributes so much to humanity, progress, advancement - all to the benefit of everybody around the world. There is not other country that provides humanitarian aid to its enemies and whiich tolerates so many attacks on it with the greatest restraint. Your'e right Deborah - there are many reasons why there is no other country quite like it.

Hello Gil, thank you for your post. i guess you'll be in bed by now and that this page will be gone by tomorrow's edition. In case you do get to read it, please be assured that I worry immensely that there are many good and decent Israeli as there are good and decent Palestinians, desperately working for peace and reconciliation in a hostile arena, with both parites surrounded by extremist abuse-slingers and the intellectually deaf and blind. Please be assured I know the media has its own agenda and i rely solely on personal witness.

Ive been reading your unfounded, brainwashed comments, so I come back at you with a couple of statistics: From the foundation of the UN, until 1990, one half of all UN securitu Council resolutions and three quarters of those passed in the General Assemblyhave gone against Israel. No someone please tell me that Israel is responsible for half of the world's problems. It is ridiculous, beyond anything ive ever seen.

No one , that including honest Israeli citizens can put their hands on their hearts and denied the extreme abuse of their Military Forces and the settlers. This is the truth, nothing but the truth. God Bless you Palestinians FRED, to defend the unfortunates,who deserve all our helps.

"M.P. Professor Irwin Cotler nails the UN human rights council on its blatant bias against Israel." Here is the Canadian representative to the Human Rights Commission, a well known Jewish activist and collaborator of A. Dershowitz in attempting to bring "genocide" charges against the Iranian President. I was wondering why Canada opposed the resolution, and I now understand. The government may not have cared enough to take a stand, and Cotler voted his conscience. Instead of starting the familiar paranoid yell "everybody hates the Jews", how about considering the reason for this decision, which was apparently the refusal of Israel to cooperate with 2 inquiries into Gaza multi death events, on the Gaza beach and in Beit Hannun? (See my post #237.) Non-cooperation has some price, and even Western countries decided to send this message to Israel. Better not make to much yelling noise. The Israeli government should be able to hear the message.

There are other pending developments that you may consider watching in fear, "James"

you are not satisfied with. Ask yourself this question" does Israel abide by the HRC Rules in the Occupied TERRITORIES??. Your answer will be your conscience. Goodluck.

MOSHE, unfortunately my earlier response to you didn't make it through: I was asking the question: What can the International Community demand as a minimum standard on a Western democracy like Israel, living in a difficult environment and longing for peace....??? The answers to that you can find in my # 255 to Jacob Blues.

"It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury; Signifying nothing." - William Shakespeare

Chicken and egg argument Tosefta. Israel was already under the thumb of the UNHRC. Why cooperate, when the verdict was already made, and the kangaroo court verdict already signed, sealed, and delivered.

Not only is neither country up for any regular inquiry or condemnation, but neither have held permanent inquiries by the UNHRC...despite China's now 50+ year occupation of Tibet. More recently, Sudan, involved not only in a decade's old civil war which killed millions, now, is involved in another long-running ethnic conflict which is also killing hundreds of thousands, and displacing millions. Again, silence by the UNHRC. Meanwhile, Israel, not only walks away from Gaza, uprooting its own citizens, elects a government with a central platform for withdrawing from the West Bank. Faces suicide bombs and rocket attacks... as well as death threats from its enemies. Is the ONLY nation so far scrutanized to any degree by the board. Lie to yourself, but don't try the golden shovel tactic with me. It doesn't wash.

No Dino, you still don't get it. the US is just one member of the UN. It is not the United Nations. The UN, its infrastructure, and beuracraccy, are anti-Israel. It's membership, made up of 190 some odd nations, are anti-Israel. The 53 Muslim states are anti-Israel. This is over 25% of the total membership. Let's throw in the nations beholden to Arab/Muslim oil, and you have many more states kow-towing to this line. Throw in some revolutionary states, a few tin-pot dictators, and there is a vast underswell of support for finding a scapegoat other than themselves. A position that the Jews have historically held. Let's make sure we have this down correctly. China, executes between 10,000 and 15,000 people a year. It has run for decades politcal re-education camps with populations numbering in the tens if not hundreds of thousands. North Korea is a Stalinist state, with its own government involved in kidnapping Japanese nationals, drug running, and counterfitting.

I mean simply that three of the members on you list, Saudi arabia/Eygpt/Pakistan are working hand in hand with the USA.Israel Takes money from said USA.Is there need for any further illumination.

but why let Islamic crimes get in the way of good old fashioned Jew hate.

Tony, as I stated in my original post, I'm also critical of certain things happening in the UN, and especially when it comes to the cre- dibility of the UN Human Rights council. But one fact remains undisputed: The reason, why the democracies I mentionned on my list, voted with YES last night, is a mixture of Israels total ignoring of all reprimands by the International Community over the past decades (settlements), as well as a general perception that Israel has tried to avoid possible negotiations at all costs, at least since 2004 (I'm not counting the years of the Intifada now). To believe in any conspiracy theories has simply nothing to do with reality.

Hello Patriot, I don't know why more Israelis and their apologists aren't equating continued Occupation with continued Human Rights violations too. It all seems so elementary in my mind. I am enclosing a letter to The Conscience Committe by a wonderful young Israeli man who puts it all in the proper perspective too. God Bless his insight and clarity of thought--I hope others will benefit from it as I have. Thanks, Dutch P.S. To the Conscience Committe: http://www.axisoflogic.com/cgi-bin/exec/view.pl?archive=93&num=16489&printer=1

Lynn, if you would have a look at the Haaretz archives of the past few months, you would find thousands of critical words from Swiss- Dino when it comes to Palestinian extremists. But would we find only 1 critical word of yours with regard to Israels policies...??? By the way, you could easily exchange the names Swiss-Dino and Lynn with Switzerland and the United States. Mmmhhh......what was that about throwing stones while sitting in a glass house....??? :)

Just the opposite of "extrapolation" - searching out the essence and to the root of thought, speech, and action...historically and presently from the study of sages, prophets, and those much more righteous and pious than anyone is capable of today. In todays world we are moving further away from "truth"...you might say "who's truth?", and I would say the ultimate truth that transcends all of our cognitive capabilities. Either you believe there is a "G-d" who is involved in every minute detail of creation, or you don't...and that belief is the place where major diverging views stem from. By the way, what is Sir Clive Sinclair up to these days... he owes me $500,000 from when took Sinclair bankrupt back in 1986.

What you simply are not able to grasp (and what this vote on the HRC clearly has shown), is the fact, that even longtime friends and allies of Israel like Germany, the Netherlands and the UK are running out of patience when it comes to certain Israeli policies. Let me quickly tell you 3 things Israel should do now in order to get off the "bashing" list: 1. Total stop of settlement expansion, because whether you like it or not, the vast majority of people abroad (probably even in the U.S.) doesn't regard the West Bank as part of Israel. 2. Immediate change of the rules of engagement with regard to stone-throwing Palestinian youths and kids. When it comes to Human Rights, this is one of the main reasons why even some friends of Israel (especially in Europe) have taken a certain distance. 3. Different reaction in the future by Israels governement to well-meant proposals from other UN members. Shrude rebuffs simply don't make friends.

Worth some reconsideration...??? No, it is not. Not when they maliciously drop Cuba & Belarus (I hope you know where Belarus is, I know what is going on there this moment) just to biasly & maliciously undecut, showcase & sting Israel once more. Not when the corrupt, sick, rediculous & totally useless body of the world specifically exorcising its long haunting ghost, I do not care who is in it. By the way, my meaning of predominant in this case indicated majority, because majority rules. The bottom line here, the overall result is way beyond the count, non realistic & very much used to by Israel.

Hello. And what?s your point with regards to the topic?

Sounds very nice, your post, Jacob Blues, but you forgot to mention one little, but quite important detail. The U.S. is PART of the UN, so if I follow your logic, the U.S. would have to be an absolute impartial, honest broker in the ME conflict. But that's not even the point: What you guys fail to understand, is the fact that the body UN is NOT biased against Israel, but has 3 different wings: Pro-Israel: USA, Canada, Australia, Germany, the Netherlands, United Kingdom (at least under Tony Blair), Poland, Czech Republic. Anti-Israel: The Arab league, other Muslim countries, Cuba, Venezuela. And then you have the whole rest, who is more or less neutral in this conflict. So this shows clearly, that the UN in fact is not biased against Israel, because many of the most important industrial states are in fact pro-Israel. Continued....

Hi Clickfool. And if it was not for their behaviour in Palestine they would be almost "off the map'. Rgards

What is your point lynn as you took the time to butt in. BTW Jews are not the only people to have 'Dual Citizenship'. you all get my drift. Regards

"Your response proved my point, saturated and immersed would be more precise" You mean you are extrapolating from messages on an Israeli discussion board (by a handful of people such as myself who are interested in Middle East affairs) to the whole world?

You wrote: this "proves to me that not everyone who posts on this site is an extremist nationalist bigot who enjoys pouring scorn on those with different views." People from all over the world are engaged in a most diverse exchange of opinions on this site, from all positions of the political spectrum. That much is a fact. Anyone who would slander the people writing here by saying that he needed convincing that they are not all bigots is lacking in respect for others and their right to express their opinions.

Is not Israel a theocracy ? A Jewish state is nothing close to a secular state. There is no other name for Israel.

#96 Don Camillo In regards to the Bedouin tribes, I admit, Israel has its failures, I am not proud of it, And there are times I detest it. After saying all of this, just know that not everything you see or hear on TV is what it seams to be! P/S I am not going to comment on the Apartheid thing, Although saying this word in regards to Israel miniaturizes its true meaning!

Pullout by agreement would fdefinitely have been preferable - but regardless of that fact, Israel made it pretty clear that this was a test case - that the next step would be a pullout of the main part of the WB, and in fact Kadima won the eletions on this platform. So what if the Israelis didn't do it exactly how the Palestinians wanted it to happen - the point is that they used this as an excuse NOT to do anything positive and to continue attacking Israel rather than to DO something positive for themselves. This leades to a prevalent suspicion in Israel that the Pales are more interested in destroying (or having) Israel than it is in having an independent state alongside Israel. Hamas has said so on more than one occasion. I will say it again - more fool them.

Hi KUTW It would take reams to put out.Thanks for the list,but so many more,as I said above it would take pages from top to bottom. END

You cannot forgive someone who is not interested in your forgiveness. Europe has not asked for forgiveness from the Israelis in its attempt to collaborate with the Arabs to exterminate it. Presumably because it thought of it as the right thing to do and would act again in the same manner if the opportunity arose. Hardly surprising then that europe would use human rights council as an attempt to meet out special treatment to Israel. duncan

David The many times I have said almost verbatim as your response,BUT! with proviso,that not only the whole U.N should bne dismantled,or failing my wish,at least scaled down as you propose,by addmitting only real democratic countries who have at least a modicum of decent "human rights" and adhere to the precepts thereof! That they pick on tiny Israel I am disgusted and words fail me. I wasn't even goint to read the article,judging it by it's headline.But,it was just a very short one,which shows how inefected and ridiculous the whole theing is. Surprised on the the countries that signed!The U.S,Australia,New Zealand,the U.K(well U.K)not surprised there.Only Canada?well,I wonder why??

Your response proved my point, saturated and immersed would be more precise. I know you can't see it that way, and that is how it is suppose to be. If the world agreed with me, these blogs would not exist. I will see you in Israel real soon...

"Yitzhak Levanon, Israel's permanent representative to the UN in Geneva, told Haaretz: "Last year, we buried that infamous commission to replace it with something better. Now, it appears the same old commission has returned."" It doesn't matter how you shuffle the shape of the Human Rights Watch Dog in the UN, you will always get the same results because Israel violations of the Human Rights Codes and actions are not changing.

Chanah, I agree with 95 % of what you stated (especially when you say that the Palestinians could have made much more positive of Israels withdrawal, and when you criticize this silly cult of "honour"). My criticism starts only with the fact, that neither Sharon nor Olmert (he may finally have changed his mind now...) were willing to give Abbas the necessary backing 2 years ago. A lot of todays trouble could have been pre- vented by then. I also recall Ariel Sharon (when he was still fighting for a majority with- in Likud) "luring" potential Likud-supporters with the promise, that a Gaza withdrawal would mean the final nail into the coffin of a Pale- stinian state, and that only a few minor, very isolated Israeli settlements would ever be evacuated in the West Bank. I hope you will agree, that this was also not the kind of message in order to bolster Pale- stinian confidence.

And special thanks for mentioning the oppression of Tibetans in their country by the Chinese Govt. We were there in 1996, which was a particularly tough year as the Chinese were cracking down on the three Tibetan teaching monastaries. The Dali Lama, in exile in India, still advocates peaceful relations with the Chinese. If Pals cause was genuine their would be peace. Every day they demonstrate their bloodthirstiness towards one another. Many Pals are powerless to fight the henchman in their society. Currently bills in the US are being drafted to cutoff funding for UNHRC. Perhaps the Arab League, UNHRC bedfellows, can fund them. Maybe workers representing one british trade union could spend less on tenets and instead fund this bullocks organization.

Here is probably the reason for the decision, Israeli noncooperartion: unhchr.ch/huricane/huricane.nsf/0/FDB14682D29B482FC12572F9004E72F9?opendocument COUNCIL DISCUSSES MISSIONS TO OCCUPIED PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES, INCLUDING BEIT HANOUN, AND LEBANON Human Rights Council 13 June 2007 United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Louise Arbour said that with regard to the Resolution S-1/1 on the human rights situation in the occupied Palestinian territory, the Special Rapporteur, John Dugard, was unable to conduct the fact-finding mission that the Council mandated him to undertake due to the Government of Israel's lack of a positive response to a request of cooperation. Likewise, the urgent fact-finding mission on human rights violations emanating from Israeli military incursions in the occupied Palestinian territory, including the recent one in Northern Gaza and the assault on Beit Hanoun, could not be deployed.. Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Head of the high-level fact-finding mission to Beit Hanoun, said fairness and even handedness had been essential to the mission's aims, and it was distressing that the mandate could not be carried out fully. The plight of Palestinians was totally unacceptable, and their suffering should end in the interests of all. Those responsible for Beit Hanoun should be held to account. Israeli and Palestinian authorities should end the culture of impunity and bring to account those responsible, including those responsible for launching rockets against Israeli towns. The victims of Beit Hanoun had a right to ongoing medical treatment and counseling.

Paul The name is Clickfool.A rose by any other name with thorns is still one and the same. As we had Empathy,Jebediah Springfield,Don't forget Stuff,and now Don Camillo. There's your answer dear Paul...

Is this one directly desecended from that which featured such distinguished members as Libya and North Korea? Perhaps states should consider it an honor to be deemed subjects of "ongoing concern" by so august a body. May I please sign up for the status?

Jhonathan, do you really think that Israel will let the Fatah members who are fleeing Gaza to remain in Israel? Will they allow them to take up residence in Israel? Or isn't really that Israel is letting them in only so that they can go to the occupied West Bank? If Israel actually allowed the Fatah members to remain in Israel I would be very much surprised.

"The world is saturated with anti-Semitism" A somewhat Judao-centric view of the world, don't you think, Yitz? To begin with, there are probably at least 1.3 billion Chinese who don't know who the Jews are, and don't care. A small percentage of people in America and Western Europe might be regarded as antisemitic in certain of their attitudes, but that's about all you can say. Only a child thinks the whole world rotates around him. Most people don't think about the Jews from one end of the week to the next.

Here we go Cipora. Hey everybody.Let?s take VIPER, Fred Fartstein,Dog Catcher, Guy from N.Y City, Daoud J.Trickery, indrajaya,and so many more.And put them on an plane and dump them in Sudan,Indonesia,Saudi Arabia, Egypt,Jordan,Zimbabwe,Lebanon, Syria, Kuwait,Yemen, and all those absolutely freedom loving, and human rights extraordinair countries to give them a taste.And then,they come back here and open their big mouths if they can! The would run a mile once experiencing what really ?inhuman?is all about. Once back in Israel just shut the door against their face,and never let them in! Double dealing cynical, and dastardly hypocrites the lot of them are.Not to mention the so-called human rights establishment Pah!

The US is a single state. The United Nations is supposed to represent all states. The UNHRC, is supposedly an objective body, who's goal is to provide a review and critique of the UN's members Human Rights standing. The United States has allies, nations who it supports, and is supported by. Such a position means that at times it is going to be biased, and act as an advocate. Such was done in WWII for the UK, and such was done in 1990, when it protected Saudi Arabia, and liberated Kuwait. The fact that you try to match an objective reviewing body with an ally shows how far from being neutral you are.

and since you are Irish you have no say in where our money is spent!!!

"The way Israel presented the withdrawal, made it look like a victory for the extremists on the other side. Do you remember Hamas celebra- ting afterwards ("we pushed the Jews out with our guns")." The more fools the Palestinians. It matters not how Israel did it - it was planned and announced well in advance and the Palestinians COULD have used this opportunity to do something positive. Their sense of "honor" however dicated that instead of rolling up sleeves and getting down to work, they would rather turn it into a "military " victory and make Israel pay dearly - in the process destroying many of the assets they could have put to good use to their benefit. This says more about them than about us, I'm afraid.They subsequently voted Hamas into power. Well, good for them - they "showed" us - yeah right. They simply cut their own noses to spite their own faces and came off much worse for it. Should we be saying "for they are jolly good fellows?"

Deborah, Your statement is a logical fallacy (falsehood) known as an "ad populum" argument. Just because a majority of countries (or even all of them!) vote for something does not make it true. In this case, most have ulterior motives or agendas, and the few that don't are afraid to buck the peer pressure. Except for the crazy, lovable Canucks! :)

is a two faced hypocrite. Said on international news channel that Zimbabwe is a shining example of progress in the area of human rights. What really floors me are the EU countries and particularly the Swiss who went along with the charade. I expect very little from France, but the rest?

One step closer to the coming of Moshiach. Amalek lives in the the mind, heart and soul of the UN membership, which represents the status of this world, at this time. Do not fall under the illusion that the leadership of Iran is the only "bad guy" - that is a US propagated position. The world is saturated with anti-Semitism and the US is guilty by association with the ring leaders, including elements within. As the moment draws near the "truth" will be apparent to those who seek it. May you have a blessed day.

May I remind you, that the 21st century is RAMPANT with territorial disputes (just like every century before it). Besides Aceh, Papua and East Timor occupied by your country, Indonesia, I can point to Tibet (occupied by China), Kurdistan (occupied by Syria, Turkey, Iran and Iraq), Jammu and Kashmir (occupied by India and Pakistan), Western Sahara (occupied by Morrocco), Baluchistan (occupied by Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan). Each of the preceding examples, by no means exhaustive, has more deaths and casualties than the dispute between Israel and the Arabs. The UNHRC ONLY focuses on Israel, not on the millions of real victims of human rights abuse. Arabs have had plenty of opportunity to settle this dispute and attain sovereignty to rule themselves but are masters at saying "no" and to utilize the global media and Islamic indoctrination to extract concessions from a gullible West by playing the "racist" or "colonial" card, when all the while it is Arabs who are the imperialists.

May I remind you, that the 21st century is RAMPANT with territorial disputes (just like every century before it). Besides Aceh, Papua and East Timor occupied by your country, Indonesia, I can point to Tibet (occupied by China), Kurdistan (occupied by Syria, Turkey, Iran and Iraq), Jammu and Kashmir (occupied by India and Pakistan), Western Sahara (occupied by Morrocco), Baluchistan (occupied by Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan). Each of the preceding examples, by no means exhaustive, has more deaths and casualties than the dispute between Israel and the Arabs. The UNHRC ONLY focuses on Israel, not on the millions of real victims of human rights abuse. Arabs have had plenty of opportunity to settle this dispute and attain sovereignty to rule themselves but are masters at saying "no" and to utilize the global media and Islamic indoctrination to extract concessions from a gullible West by playing the "racist" or "colonial" card, when all the while it is Arabs who are the imperialists.

"There is no other country comparible to Israel" Thats true. There is no other country that all of Islam wants to terminate, at least not yet.

The UN is worthless at best, antihuman at worst. Cut all US funding the UN.

In the name of free speech you give voice to rabid antisemites and their ilk on this forum, but for some obscure reason do not post my intelligent retorts to these scurrilous accusations.

I wrote once before that the UN should be scaled down to a minor organization. If the UN Human rights council worked,why are the rights of billions of people around the world still abused. They have it in for Israel,but all we have to do is look at what the Palestinians did in the last few weeks.Killing wounded fighters in hospital,murdering prisoners in the streets and throwing them off high rise buildings. There is not enough room here to describe the terrible human rights abuses around the world, Annan was right,when he said the UN had excessive focus on Israel. If those in the UN that vote were honest,the Palestinians and all would have been condemned long ago along with Syria and Iran.

Terence, Israels withdrawal from the Gaza strip would have been a very good step, would it not have been a unilateral one. The way Israel presented the withdrawal, made it look like a victory for the extremists on the other side. Do you remember Hamas celebra- ting afterwards ("we pushed the Jews out with our guns"). The withdrawal should have come within the frame work of a negotiated peace deal with then PM Mahmoud Abbas. That would most probably have prevented Hamas from getting into power.

While we post these here, the Israeli border with Gaza is in process of wellcoming those Palestinians who have been injured by their own Hamaas abusers and giving them medical care.

Gil, funny that you came up with Iran and the Kurds, and not Turkey and the Kurds, which is probably much more the focus of the tensions today. I was surprised to hear, that the problems between the Kurds and Iran started already in the 19th century. Actually I thought it started in the 30's of the 20th century when there were several Kurdish rebellions in Iran. I think under the Sha things were rather quiet, but after Khomeini took over, the Kurds in Iran asked for more autonomy and there were bloody bombardments of Kurdish towns in Iran. Anyway, I think the Kurdish problem also gets quite a bit of attention in the West, Switzer- land for example has regularly minor diplomatic crisis with Turkey because of it. Okay, you might say now: Iran still doesn't get as much "bashing" for it, as we do. But does Israel really wanna compare herself with the Islamic republic of Iran...??? Same standard...???

Are you saying that The Human rights abuses in Israel are worse than darfur where hundreds of thousands of the worlds poorest people are being startved by the Moslem Janjawid? Are you saying that the Human rights abuses in China (member of the UNHRC) are not as bad as Israel? It is because Chima, Egypt, Russia etc do npt allow the UNHRC to investigate freely that you cannot see the extent of their abuses. However Israel is open and every intelligent person understands that if Israel was not being attacked by its terrorist neigbors by Quassams and suicide bombers there would be no abuses.

It is very clear from this vote that UN credibility is nonexistent. But, maybe this actually serves Israel's interests. A weak UN cannot really do that much harm. If the UN really had a bite, then it would be a different story. Israel can just laugh this off. Most know that Israel is a good apple.

Hi Kutw. You have described a large part of the Guest list at one of the "Bushes" texas tea party,s. Regards

Ronnie, if I got your message right, then I would sum it up like this: If the UN has a one-sided (??) position on the ME conflict, then it is biased. If the U.S. has a one-sided position on the ME conflict, then it is reasonable. I am sure, you will forgive me, that as a Swiss "neutralitzki", I can not really applaud you on this one..... ....but at least I can offer you some (rosy) comprehension for your kind of thinking...:)

Don't worry about Iran David, they are far to busy plotting the destruction of Israel There was a 5.5 earthquake in Iran a couple of days ago. I thought that that was going to be confirmation that Iran had a nuclear weapon.

....all agree this is necessary it is ridiculous to claim that it is for any other reason than because Israel's human rights abuses need priority. There is no other country comparible to Israel and instead of people moaning about this as though Israel is picked on for no reason people should do what they can to make Israel palatable internationally. This would help Israel too.

Where people are not allowed to choose what they can wear, young people are tortured by the police for playing Rock and Roll. When HR ignores all these well known abuses and focuses only on Israel it looses its credibility. It becomes a anti Israel only organization. It can not be respected.

Kim, The one big difference those other countries and Israel is that they are not waving the flag of democracy like Israel . Dutch

Duncan, when I grew up in Switzerland 35 years ago, my sister used to tell me, that my parents bought me in a supermarket. Do I still blame her for that today...??? Not really.

Why does this wise, valid and perfectly justified decision surprises anyone?

PALS-HAMAS created their own Islamic State inside the PA, supress the population, kill civilians, throw opponents from the roof. Shouldn't Human Right focus its attention on ARAB SIDE (BTW free of Israel occupation now).

Some members of the UN Human Rights Council Azerbaijan, Bangladesh, Brazil, China, Cuba, Djibouti, Egypt, Mali, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sri Lanka. These countries should be condemned by themselves for violation of human rights in their own countries.

Israelis need to get with it and adopt a gloabal mentaliity not a stone age mentality where all people are considered equal in "dignity and rights" and "the rights of every man are diminished when the rights of one man are threatened." (JFK) Hence they need to get off Palestinian land and removes their barriers and walls and Live and Let Live! Dutch

Itzik thanks for replying. Mike in Tel Aviv posted last night about a projecy he does called One Voice that bridges the divide. I'm trying to contact him through this forum to try to arrange a meeting with him as I'm in town in a few weeks time. I think his project is an outstanding demonstration, as is your project you describe, because it proves to me that not everyone who posts on this site is an extremist nationalist bigot who enjoys pouring scorn on those with different views. It proves that there are people who care about their fellow humans, which is my agenda. Unfortunately he doesn;t seem to be posting today and I don;t know how else I can contact him. DC

People getting massacred by Muslim extremists in Sudan and the only thing the UN wants to watch is Israel. Can it get more anti-israel?

The vast majority of people who are fleeing from HAMAS at the Eretz crossing are FATAH suppoprters who are trying to flee to the West Bank. They are certainly not fleeing to Israel to be subjegated as second class citizens.

Is there a good reason why "the world" is not sick of it? How many times have you heard the Holocaust mentioned by Israeli officials in relation to Israel and the Palestinians recently?

To be a real decision body UN must be limited to democratic states only. No meaningfull international decisions can be taken in a Forum that puts together Policman and Criminals (Iran, Pakistan, Saudi,Russia, Sudan etc.) PS. Ireland is in

Pre-loaded with dictatorial and rights abusers. Neither they nor the various UN organizations they've replaced, have any value. Here's a link, read a little, learn a lot.....http://www.heritage.org/Research/WorldwideFreedom/bg2038.cfm

The human rights group is a joke. Their decisions are hateful, and deceitful. I guess whats going on in Africa has by a miracle stopped. It sure seems to me that the head of the Human rights group is just a Jew Hater and finds it easy to attack Israel. So maybe Israel needs to condemm the Human RIGHTS GROUP AND THEIR AGENDA FOR INFLAMING SITUATIONS. These people Ii guess see no human rights violations by Moslem nations. I guess its ok to stone to death a woman and that nation is not on the list. Interesting isn't it. How much are the Arab nations paying for these reports.

They have indoor skislopes for muslim man. Difficult to commit honor killings when on downhill jaunt. Dubai is where the money is. Perhaps Dubai can spend a bit less on luxury and help their fellow muslims in Gaza. The current un headquarters in turtle bay in nyc will make great condo living after some serious fumigation. Woodrow Wilson turning in his grave. The UN has lost its compass.

Lats face the facts The council includes numerous states with poor records on human rights, such as the People's Republic of China, Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia, Pakistan and Russia On 29 November 2006, Secretary-General Kofi Annan criticised the Human Rights Council for "disproportionate focus on violations by Israel" while neglecting other parts of the world such as Darfur, which had what he termed "graver" crises. Good for you UN, Let the cat gourd the milk!

Jebediah was a racist, a sexist, a separatist, and an absolute boob. But, hey, if you think this makes you "an American" with a high pop culture intelligence quotient, then go for it. You only make me and the rest of the Simpsonian universe (Jew created, by the way) laugh at your ignorance. What a tangled web ye weave, oh non-American, Jew hating one.

Because of who is on the UN Human Rights Council, the Council is attacking Israel while it should be stopping the genocide in Darfur and other places.

Human Rights Watch charges that African and Asian countries, as well as Cuba, Russia and China are behind efforts to weaken the UN Human Rights Council. They are using Israel as a ploy to deflect attention away from other troubled parts of the world, such as Sudan and Zimbabwe.

Wrong! According to the Maoris the Whites are still occupying NZ. The Chinese are still occupying Tibet, India and Pakistan are still Occupying each other's Kashmir, Indonesia is still occupying east Timor id messed up by a coup, Mogadisho is occupied, Iraq is occupied, Afghanistan is occupied, Cyprus is occupied, Kurdish afiliated territories are occupied by Iran, Iraq and Turkey, the falklands are occupied and so is the rock. the list just goes on and on.

Don Camillo, I don't know your agenda but there must be quite a few Mike's in TA. There are also many people who bring Palestinians, Israelis and Israeli arabs together. In my previous kibbutz we used to give the swimming pool for 2 weeks for free to Israeli arabs from broken homes and ones who suffer emotional stress. There were no jews among them. I don't see any problem with that but some will say that they deserve it while if the following year they will come from a Jewish village they will say why aren't there arabs in that group. Point is: there are many many worse places in the world. singeling Israel as the worst which must be discussed regarding human rights abuses is not a good and just solution. Singaling them for violations of resolutions is something else.

How obvious can it be? Israel is the only human rights violator in the world! It's so clear and it must be true because countries with impeccable human rights records such as Egypt, China, Pakistan, Gabon, Sri Lanka,and yes, even Saudi Arabia have said so and they know what human rights are because they are experts! Thank you, U.N. for being the place where the world comes together to mete out justice!

You are correct we all carry abuses but where would you rather be tried? Where would you rather serv time and tell me why you have come to that conclusion and which prisons in that country did you visit in person?

The UN and all its subsidiaries waste 99.9% all of their RESOURCES/POWER/MONEY/DIPLOMATIC-WEIGHT/ CONSENSUS on miniscule Israel-Palestine issue rather than focusing on true Human rights violters around the Globe. In a sense it is the Jews which cause the suffering of MILLIONS of victims of brutal dictatorial regimes, because if not for the rampant anti-semitic fuelled wasting of resources on CONTRIVED jewish evil, perhaps some of the resources would go to helping true victims. If only the damn Jews would dissapear the world would finally be able to help the millions suffering at the hands of non-jewish villians. IT'S ALWAYS THE JEWS FAULT.

You are correct. Never the less, human rights abuse vs conflict length shows an agenda for UNHRC. They should not be biased but carry on monitoring their charter not an agenda to resolve conflicts over human rights abuses.

In light of all that is happening locally and around the world, this story would be rather laughable were it not so sad. By the way, those "diplomats" who sit on these councils are living a high life style mainly in Manhattan and Geneva while their own citizens and others' human rights are, to say the least, "abused" and while they are starving. Pathetic.

I am not an expert and by no means a genious yet I believe I've got the point pretty easily. Anyone knows that stats are representing nothing if not given with full explanation and time scale. Natalie, can you read through the member states and tell me if you see a large majority who abuse human rights and would love to divert attention? be honest know! None what so ever?! Check again please!

of the countless Israeli-Arabs,Bedouins included that serve in the IDF, and yeah a good point how do some Europeans treat their own Gypsy's????even today.

Chaired by Libya - that well known democracy.

If the U.S. expelled the UN, all the hookers in their employ would have to walk the streets looking for customers. Opportunities to steal or divert UN funds would decrease substantially. Thousands of parastic jobs would vanish.

Now that they've shut the bars down in Gaza, it opens the door for Hamas Moe and his booze smuggling operation . Nice! Kill the competition... ACTUALLY kill them in this case... and what do you figure a bottle of Jack Daniels will go for in Gaza ? Who says Hamas doesn't show initiative. LOL Look how they've already expanded the black market!

Thanks for that cousin! I believe that no matter what they all say we can see eye to eye on some levels! They can say what they want everyone is racist or prejudist up to a certain point and we both know that some wrongs are being done through out! We also know that if one side falls and the other prevail we will not be any better off! We both need to come to terms and nothing less will do! Than we can carry on working a proper resolution!

I just love that word "pernicious". It sounds so, how should i put it, pernicious. I suppose the Jewish lobby is workng as hard as the English diplomatic corp doing their level best to free poor old AJ. Who turns out not to be dead after all (all those condolence messages in England gone to waste....) i don't suppose the attempted english boycot of Israeli academics would be classed as breach of the right of a jew to continue teach because he is a jew?? English morality has always remained distasteful. Their ethics; self-serving......

Yeah, I thought Zimbabwe, the shining example of human rights, got the job. Assuming 'chair' requires leadership by example, & the setting of high standards, how on Earth can this 'Council' be taken seriously by anyone? The UN has proved itself as being utterly impotent on pretty much everything it does these days. It is only good for the odd emergency food handout to refugees escaping violence that the UN could have thwarted in the first place - Darfur as a classic example. This 'Council' has no teeth & will be ignored by those with any influence. Ridiculous.

Miss Natallie Durson Miss USA, how many innocent people did the USA kill during WW2, well lets see, shell we begin at the invasion to Normandy with a death toll of 20,000 (French) civilians in one single day, from your friendly booming! Start learning your own country?s history! For your information, before Israel boomed buildings in Lebanon the IDF telephoned, dropped notes saying the place is going to be boomed and it is not advisable to stay at that location! Face it we are not barbaric people as you want us to be known!

John Dugard, UN "special rapporteur" made a nice career as a beneficiary of apartheid. When apartheid crumbled, he needed a new income stream. Anti-semitism is eternal, and thus a safe income stream. As long as anti-semitism exists, Dugard will have a job. The real losers are the real victims of human rights abuses

It's a shame that an organization that is actually needed in this world has just made itself unimportant and its future decisions smell of lost morality. The moral compass is spinning wildly and those of us who look at human rights issues around the world need another body for representation, and mostly to give consideration to the weak and helpless world-wide. The UNHRC certainly has shown that it doesn't give a damn, what a shame.

Surely it is a good idea that we are a permanent agenda item.It will serve to expose the hypocracy of the UN as it will continue to issue a stream of lopsided slander againt Israel : business as usual.

His point is not valid, but nonetheless he has a point.

As for the UN, it is obvious that Arab OIL runs the show. It is not even simply oil, it is the strength of a bloc of fifty votes. this means countries like Sudan can sit on a council for Human Rights, ironic? Next time France would like to do it's dirty work in Africa without prying eyes it is good to have the Arab Bloc assured of voting with you. But what is really interesting, is the "Russians are fleeing Gaza!" The Russians for god's sake find Gaza, without Israel, worse than Chechnya! Worse than Chechnya! It must for three reasons, 1) They supported Fatah, 2) We will find a number of poisoned Hamasniks. 3) NO ALCHOHOL! I go for number three. Hamas has closed down the bars, and will now send their religion cops around sniffing out vodka amoungst the foreign elements. The only ones not fleeing are the UNWRA which is finely seeing their dream for Gaza come true. Hail nepotism and the Religion of Peace. Tossi, good morning.

I'd like to know what other states have been made perment items of this council. Is Sudan one? Is China one? Are all the states in the entire Arab and Islamic world permanent items for this council? What you see are the same old UN political games with the same old Eurotrash support.

"The US must stop all monies going to the UN." Agreed, as long as they cut off all monies given to States involved in "Human Rights Abuses" or activities that could be described as "Apartheid'. Regards

You wrote, " The USmust stop all money going to the UN". I

the support of Israelis,???. I would be interested in the other side of the story. Rgrards

need I say China,Iran,Indonesia,Russia etc???

"Do they REALLY think this helps the Palis?" Why do you think they care about Pals? If they would they would condemn Hamas or Fatah.

If the U.N. gave a hoot in hell about human rights abuses, they'd be watching Tibet and Darfur-and maybe Belfast.

In my post #116 I responded to your clarion call to "answer to the facts." Haven't seen your response. You like to post and run, I know, but try to overcome your cowardice for once.

"Used to be I was proud to be called Canadian but much has changed in recent years." If Canadian vote in UN effected you so much it is time for you to move to a country that you will be proud of again - the one which voted for the resolution: Cuba, for example, or Saudi arabia or Russia

Why would we do that Joe in Florida??? Just because the UN is watching Israel, nay so sorry Joe, it is TIME not only for the UN to watch Israel but ACT on their findings. As a USA citizen I applaud the UN and will not do what you suggest, however I am very skeptical as what the UN's permanent agenda will achieve simply because the zionist lobbies in the USA will demand a VETO of every resolution set forth by the UN by the USA. So relax Joe

"...Do they REALLY think this helps the Palis?..." Whether this would help to palis or not, that's another matter. They've done the right thing at the moment. Everybody knows what kind of power Israel is. Too much power she has, as much as she is blinded by it.