U.S. withdraws UN Annapolis resolution after Israel objects

And bullshit is you--How, when and why are immaterial, the final result is what counts-- Go, Fruitcake has a biscuit for her pet poodle, comes x-mas, you will get a rawhide with a ribbon wrapped around--

the whole point of what's being said skimmed across the top of your head... let me tell you what the new yorker meant because even had it hit dead on; it would only have left a dent... what aipac wants; aipac gets! which is WHY it was withdrawn... and had it NOT been... the u.s. would have vetoed it... its OWN proposal! because aipac didn't like it... and what aipac wants; aipac gets! that should be clear; even to an idiot. oh...and the "nazi" label is uncalled for ben... especially considering that YOUR view of palestinians and arabs and muslims; reflects that mentality more than most others in these talkbacks.

Oh, I did pay attention to the headline, which was changed after it originally stated the following--"U.S. INTRODUCES RESOLUTION EMBRACING ISRAEL-P.A. PEACE DEAL"-- Ha'Aretz changes headlines on the story as it progresses--They do it all the time-- You may now resume sticking your nose in that point you keep on mentioning and ihale deeply-- Next time, try reading the early edition!!!

I am trying to understand the "cause" of Hamas and the like. Maybe you could help me with that? Do you promote Shaira law? If so, why? If not, why not? The fact that the Palestinians and Jews are not on the same page in their understanding of God IS what is causing all the bloodshed. God has commanded us regarding the things you mentioned; based on His commands, I don't think He approves of the bloodshed on either side.

Johnboy, Certainly Israel has yet to achieve equal treatment for all its citizens; I strongly agreed with the Arab MKs who recently wished to travel to countries still officially at war with Israel. However, the very fact there are Arab MKs, and Arab cabinet members, should clue you that your absolutist statement about Zionism equalling racism is absolutely wrong. Resolution 3379 was withdrawn because by 1991, a collapsing USSR knew it could no longer use 3379 as a propaganda tool to further its own aims in the UN and Middle East. Shamir, GHW Bush, Gorbachev, and the many Arab states understood it was finally time for the shouting and threats to stop, and for humane face-to-face talks to begin. And that's exactly what happened at Madrid in 1991. By the way - what's your country's civil rights record with the Aborigines? Best not to offer absolutist criticisms of other democracies, then. MV

Veritas, I agree with you the European colonial powers drew lines as they should not have been drawn, particularly after WWI, and particularly in the Middle East. Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Palestine are all cases in point. However, that genie is long "out of the bottle", and all parties are now faced with hard choices. I do not question Israel's commitment to a peaceful two-state solution. Yitzhak Rabin gave his life in his quest for it. Ehud Barak searched for it, and a bloody intifada was Israel's reward. Now Ehud Olmert is trying to find it, eeking a way between the extremists on both sides. No, it's not lip-service Israel has payed for seeking peace, but rather blood and tragedy. Yet the search continues. I hope the Palestinians, having suffered terribly as well, are at last ready to enter into an honourable peace with Israel. I pray for the success of their talks, so that the children of Abraham will not know war any longer. Kind regards.

Iran also shouldn't have to accept Security Council Resolutions agreed to by members who are unfriendly to it.

then he woke up...with a vision ... The largest employer there is the Texas Department of Criminal Justice. Sounds familiar.

The UN can do nothing useful, as is being once again demonstrated by its inability to peacefully resolve the Iranian nuke weapons issue. The best thing is to keep the UN as far away from any REAL issue as possible. It can add nothing and just causes more problems.

They're my pockets too, pal and a lot more is coming out of our pockets for Saudi Arabia and Egypt and Jordan than for Israel Thing is, asses like you just pick on the Jews, while asses like me actually believe that it's up to us and NOT the Jews to stop anti-semitism. The land is disputed land. Before it became Israel's in 1967 because of Arab stupidity, it was occupied by Jordan and Egypt.It was not a country called Palestine and you're just one more Jew-hater revelling in the myth and using so you can write your vicious little epithets. Careful of those zionists in your pocket; they might infect your perfect mind.

Secretary Rice on UNSC Res 1701. Rice can not be trusted, not by Israel nor by her own White House and Congress.

One reason is that, every time the arrogant, ignorant Western victors in insane European and Asian wars have sat down and drew arbitrary lines on the map, dividing some peoples who should have been together and forcing others together who should have been kept apart, all without consulting the wishes of those who would actually have to LIVE in the areas created - the cost in blood and treasure has simply not been worth the results obtained. And Israel is committed only to giving the appearance of wanting a Palestinian state. The Zionists have already created so many "facts on the ground" that no viable second state could possibly be created on the fragments that remain. "Keep 'em talking until there is no land left to talk about!"

You state: "What is unbelievably surprising is how we all sit back and let this happen to Israel time after time yet never demand that maybe UN Resolutions get passed against the murderers in Saudi Arabia or Syria or Egypt or the PLO..." How much foreign territory is Saudi Arabia occupying? Or Syria? Or Egypt? Or the PLO? How many settlements have these countries or entities built on the land belonging to others? Get the Zionis Jews back to the 1947 borders they themselves agreed to and they can do what they d--n well please inside those borders - so long as they keep their hands out MY government's pockets!

Is something I cannot quite grasp. What does it say? "I am willing to do this for God, therefore you should be forced by law" ????? It just doesn't make sense to me. Muslims seem to be a very faithful, humble in their relationship to God and religous people. What is it that keeps SOME intent on violence? My guess is, the word of the prophet Mohammed being placed before the Word of God, allowing this prophet to twist God's Word and intentions for His creation. When one sees the political advantage over others that Mohammed attempted to acheive at any and all costs, this should be alarm enough to realize he was deceived. Trapped by the desire for Glory. SAD, that he in turn managed to deceive so many. What really convinces me that he was deceived is how very different, almost complete opposite, he conducted himself compared to Messiah. Muslims agree, Jesus was indeed the Messiah. Don't they realize the Messiah is greater than a prophet? Or is it, they know a different Jesus?

...One could only guess you think Shaira Law would be liberating... I have an advise to you Virginia: PLEASE EXPRESS YOUR SUPPORT TO ISRAEL MORE LOUDLY AND CLEARLY, including when they kill, kidnap, harrash, oppress, bomb, terrorize PALESTINIAN people. Don't hide behind any beautiful words of GOD.

There are 22 Arab states. Will a 23rd bring stability to the region? There is no evidence - none - that the establishment of a Palestinian state will end the violence. So why bother or agree

It is a wonderment at the power of the Jews and the world wide Jewish lobby, how you poor bastards cant find another forum to vent your spleen, except in a Jewish Israel sponsored newspaper. Bloody amazing. We know who you are, and where you are, and I would worry

"Palestine is the last of the Liberation struggles." One could only guess you think Shaira Law would be liberating? Do you currently live under this law?

MV: "Recall particularly the UN General Assembly`s infamous "Zionism is Racism" resolution 3379 (1975). Even the General Assembly itself eventually came to recognise how odious 3379 was, repealing it in resolution 4686 (1991)." Leaving aside the fact that zionism is indeed an inherently racist doctrine, it is a lunacy to claim that Res 3379 was repealed because the UN GA rethought the issue and decided it had made a mistake. It was repealed because the year was 1991 and the Madrid Conference was being prepared, and Yitzak Shamir said that there was no way on Earth Israel would attend unless Res 3379 was repealed. Hard to have a conference regarding Israels conflict with the Arabs without Israel, so realpolitik required that Res 3379 be repealed, and repealed it was.

Veritas, Why do you seek to de-legitimise the State of Israel, especially at a time Israel itself is committed, with the Palestinian Authority, toward the legitimisation of a Palestinian state? Lincoln once said, "those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves". Were Israel opposed to a two-state solution, I would agree with both you and Lincoln. But such is patently not the case. MV

If it were up to me the US would pull out of the UN along with our $22 billion a year, kick their sorry asses out of this country and tell them to take the rampant corruption and hatred of Israel with them. Buh bye UN.

Hello, Lakshmi, I am very much aware of the UN's role in Israel's creation; please note my post specifically addressed the UN's behaviour toward Israel over the last thirty years or so, not in 1947-48. In Middle Eastern affairs, the UN suffers from the same perceptual problem as does the US: it is not trusted by all parties as an honest broker. My personal hope is that the UN regains both its trust and authority to help the cause of peace; but at present, many (if not most) Israelis only see it as inimical to Israel's survival, and thus wholly disqualified as a negociating party. Kind regards.

Partition Resolution of 1947 which created the border between israel&Palestine & which israel happily embraced and after which it was enabled to declare its independence as a State.And it was UN Resolution 273(iii) which admitted israel to membership in the United Nations,on May 11,1949. Ofcourse, since then israel has snapped its fingers at the international community,the UN!

And God Willing, always will.

For me it is proof positive that the US seeks to be a guide and help, ie., an objective 3rd party. This is exactly what the situation calls for, as peacemakers should NOT take sides. To remove their own resolution at the request of either party indicates that they are not being glory seekers here. What a joyous relief! In my opinion, if ever there is to be a resolution, it should be drawn by the parties and filed in the courts of their own designation. That is where it really matters. Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem and that these peoples will be able to live side by side in peace until they acheive a unified understanding. Shabbat Shalom

If you care about your namesake, "truth", then you need to study the UN Charter a little more carefully before mouthing off. Besides, the veritas is that there are so many anti-Israel resolutions every year brought by the Arab League and the Islamic Bloc that the UN certainly is pretty well the perfect place for the continuing delegitimizing of a legal, member country. What is unbelievably surprising is how we all sit back and let this happen to Israel time after time yet never demand that maybe UN Resolutions get passed against the murderers in Saudi Arabia or Syria or Egypt or the PLO let's say maybe on a 1:25 ratio compared to Israel. OK, not egalitarian enough for you; how about 1:50?? You are the truest example I have yet read of the awfully polite way Jew-haters couch their language so as to appear to just be concerned citizens who really just want to destroy the Jews country, but really have nothing against the Jews.

Those of you who are interested in the truth..read the Debka files to understand what happened. Condaleeza Rice basically stabbed Israel in the back and President Bush gave it to her (which has been a long time in coming). Those of us who know what the U.N. is all about understands that Israel cannot get a fair shake from this vile organization...to those of you that condemn Israel at everyturn I say you are blatant haters as there is no reason to have such disdain for a country except for the fact that it is a Jewish country....if you support the arabs it is entirely your choice but it makes you sound ignorant and naive and makes you supporters of terrorism and bigotry not only against Israel but against innocent arabs who live under oppressive muslim laws. As for Haaretz they can try in everyway to undermine Israel with their sick leftist ideas but they will fail in the end and Israel will remain strong.

You know, if the UN General Assembly can legally rescind a non-binding resolution (as are all General Assembly resolutions) such as 3379 some 16 years later, I see no reason why said General Assembly could not also pass a resolution repealing resolution 181 some 60 years later. It sure sounds like a good idea to me.

#85 is right/ No wonder this could be another event engineered by Hillary campaign. I see no difference here between planting question in presisdential debates and Secretary of State Rice sending the Annapolis accord to UNSC with out Israel approval. It is very tricky and slick.

I beg to differ. The last of the liberation struggles is actually the one that would result in the freeing of your mind from the shackles and blinders of pure animosity and hatred towards Israel and the beginning,just the beginning, of an open-minded decision to read something other than Petras and Chomsky as a basis for your position. You might want to start with Mr. Valentine's wonderfully clear and elequent post that is at #94 as I write.

Does this situation have an Alice In Wonderland "feel" to it or is it just me? This resolution was a start - a millimetre forward in the peace process but the deceitful and double-dealing Israelis through their vile agency, AIPAC, quashed that step. What a tragedy for the world that the US remains under the malignant influence of AIPAC.

Perhaps a clue as to Israel's motives in vetoing the adoption of a UN resolution on the subject can be found in Abbas' remark that ' it was a sign of the seriousness of the United States.' Wouldn't want these resolutions -- innocuous as they are -- given any more force than necessary. Keep going down that road and there might be peace at the end of it.

The Power of Israel in the U.S. is also very instructive.El Birawi,the Lobby' spower is not by happenstance.From the earliest days of the UN,the american government has been hand in glove with israel.The partnership is mutual.It will break only when america finds israel an albatross round its neck& when the ME becomes independent of its corrupt rulers in Egypt&Saudi Arabia and a strong independent Palestine emerges.I place my bet on the only genuine Resistance Movement there,Hamas.At least they are not corrupt& with BDS(Boycott,Divestment,Sanctions) movement and an enegertic UN suspension of israel from the UN(as happened in former apartheid South A.)then to use your own phrase,inshallah,the ME will finally be free.Palestine is the last of the Liberation struggles.

The article states Israel has no objection to the resolution's text; Israel simply doesn't want the UN involved in the latest peace efforts. Why? Because for the last three decades, the UN has been something less than even-handed. Recall particularly the UN General Assembly's infamous "Zionism is Racism" resolution 3379 (1975). Even the General Assembly itself eventually came to recognise how odious 3379 was, repealing it in resolution 4686 (1991). Israel has its faults, but too often the UN seems to delight in falsely accusing it of outrages which any number of the UN's other constituent nations practice in actuality on a daily basis. Enough of this hypocrisy!

Gee, I grew up in a US I thought was a democratic sovereign state. How naive of me!

That's why I've been on Haaretz for 5 years, whining and complaining about the Jews. Because I love being a ditz, dolt, and a revolting idiot who will never, ever see peace come to the region, because the only meaningful peace in the Middle East is one between the Arabs with no Jews around. Whoooppppeeeee!!!!

Once again , and yet another proof that ISRAEL and AIPAC always dictates American Policy Vis Avis the ME and Israel..........

When the UNSC Resolutions worked on Israel favor, every single Israel apologists in this forum would jumpt on them with excitements. For instance: on smuugling weapon towards South Lebanon etc. If not, well "...it does not consider most of the member states of the council to be friendly toward Israel..."

If it is still possible, Israel wanted the US to veto UNSC Resolution #242 which was released 40 years ago, I believe.

Targeted killings? Pretty big target since they always take passersby and bystanders with them. You want to know the full clout of the Zionists in the American media, look at the phrase "targeted assassination." An assassination IS picking your target. That's how they came up with the word. But becuase the phrase "targeted assassination" makes the Israelis look less murderous every newspaper in AMerica uses this phrase, despite the fact most would have copyeditors who would point out the nonsense. Better to look like idiots, these editors conclude, better to save my job, than to criticise the Israeli state.

You don't really think the Pals opposed this resolution, do you? That's just more Zionist lies, US and Israeli. It's like mentioning Kwaanza with Hanukkah and Christmas; Kwananza is just there to provide cover for the Jews who don't want to be seen flexing their power alone.

Peace? Did we say peace? In front of the whole world now (rather again) you expose yourself for the liars and takers you are, the US looks like the idiot we are... what's even left to say.

not a jewish name ???

...well, good start for Mr Abbas who, for the first time since the conflict started has agreed with Israel on objecing a UN proposed resolution. Well done puppet Abbas... on are on the right track. The Palestinians can count on you!!!

UN can't reiterate something that wasn't said before.

29 November 1947, and Israel would do well to keep this anti-Israeli anti-Jewish organization out of Israel's relationships with the Palestinian Arabs.

The IDF withdrew from gaza and lebanon only because of attacks by hamas and Hizib,. Isreal will only withdrew to the 67 lines after the comming major war, with much blood spilled. The judia-biblical fantical nuts who belive in a promised land by god should be put in the front lines, the yanks seem to be realizing how costly their support for this 3000 yr story of a promised land is costing them in money and blood. Its war that isreal understands. that is the reality. Only war will give the Pals their rights. Sorry to the many isrealis and Arabs who will have to die soon in the comming war. God bless.

Another "Munich" Annapolis didn't have one pro Israel attendee including the members of Israel government. They sold out their own State just so Bush and Rice can have the approval of their buddies the Saudis. The Road map was their invention after all. Also he expects a Nobel Prize for selling out their friends in Israel. After all Bush promised to support Israel if Iran should strike. Sure man, he will send bandaids to treat the victims who happen to survive an Atomic Strike.

"Would get the UN too involved in Middle East peace efforts" - Heaven forbid the only organisation that represents the entire international community be involved in a matter that has destabilised the Middle East and has had a flow on throughout the world. Idiots!

It is no brainer and is a common knowledge. When it comes to the Middle East, Israel makes all the decisions for the US. The US is a partner and a party to the conflict. It is best for Abbas not to rely on the US but forge a concenses with American Jewish leaders to help solve the problem. A good start will be at the Israeli/American shop, Brookings Institute.

Israel Lobby is showing its full muscle. You don't want to miss the moment.

No it will not be for good, frankly. We will accept a two-state solution and 'recognise' Israel FOR THE TIME BEING. However, when the time is right (however long it takes) we Arabs and we Muslims in particular, will retake all of that land on which the Euro-Jews squat. Noone had the right to give the Palestinians' land to the Jews. Be in no doubt, the wrong will be righted.

Peace deals, agreements, and accords must be binding to all parties, and based on some kind of International legitemacy. The USA is part of the conflict, and therefore cannot act as a mediator. Israel should NOT be misguided by US foreign policy. All US allies around the world are on lower moral ground.

For goodness sake, pay attention to the caption--The U.S. is "PROPOSING" the resolution, at this stage she has no intention of using a veto?ASStricks, Pay attention the US withdrew the resolution. A veto is automatic if AIPAC wants it. Pay attention before you post.

The u.n.was a very good idea that turned sauer...It became a tool for the comunist and the arab blocs,to spread their propaganda all over the world of ill informed people...It's about time the whole thing to be demolished and rebuild anew from the bottom up....

The trouble with the UN is that they won't even make a resolution unless Israel and Palestine first give their OK. And heaven forbid that they should cross Bush! It would be a good thing if the UN had the guts to say what they think in spite of I&P disapproval. It would be good to hear a third voice in this perpetually useless dialogue.

Israel, like Hamas, is interested in peace only if she can dictate the terms. Policy is to ignore anything else. Ignore it long enough and people will get worn out pushing for it. And so Israel gets her own way. Which is the only thing she cares about.

"UN should reiterate the need for full israeli withdrawal, as part of any peace plan. Otherwise the peace plan would be null and void." Precisely! By their actions you shall know them, And what Isreal has done is put off any action toward pease indefinitely. So we know where her committments lie. Israel is good at talking but doing nothing, and she doesn't need the UN getting on her back and pushing her to action. Maybe some other good soul will re-introduce that resolution in the UN.

Israel just doesn't want to be held accountable for the nice things Olmert said at Annapolis. So, too, Hamas, etc. "Don't hold us to it" is the message. But that is just what Israel needs right now, someone to say: "put up or shut up."

In what I have read I believe Andy Warhol said everyone will have 15 minutes of fame. In an international sense, so will Ehud Olmert have 15 minutes of success. To be patted on the back by international leaders, although in Israel he has no public support, has faced fraud allegations, and is waiting for the Winograd Report for his handling of the Lebanon war, the equal of living on an active political volcano. Ehud should enjoy his very short minutes of international acclaim, as now the arab states led by Saudi Arabia will make sure the US squeezes Israel for every possible concession, and Abbas uses Hamas violence, qassam and rocket attacks to advance Palestinian goals for maxium Israeli concessions with none of their own. Annapolis was a victory for the Palestinians, otherwise defeated and divided. The shortcomings of a real estate lawyer as the national leader are clear. I am afraid once again Israel will need a General as PM, and sadly for underaking a war of national survival.

The problem I have with is what you want me to apologise for. Is you expect me to believe without exception that Arabs living within Israel have free access to weapons of a calibre which would make the Israeli police runaway. Sorry I cannot accept that paerticularly as the reference you make to disprove my accusation is the Israeli press which is subject to military censorship. I suppose you will deny that fact as well. Particularly sitting in the USA where you can observe the situation at very close quarters.

Both Chris & Natalie see this Haaretz article as support for their belief that Israel has no intention of keeping its Annapolis agreement. Whereas this sentiment may be true. Its kind of hard to find support for it in this article since Haaretz also reports that the Palestinian Authority ALSO requested that the UN stay out of this affair. Why? I don't know. But I suspect there is more to this story than we are presently being told.

Bush and Rice want to be loved by the Islamic countries who detest them. I hope they will not sell Israel for a pound of flesh.

Not yet, but at least we know how impartial the US is.

into the broad light of day!despite their partner in crime's attempts it might take on a life of its own.it's the last thing israel wants!

just goes to show what we already know, that Clickfool doesnt know how to read. The article is evident. Israel is not against the peace, only they are against UN involvement, for good reason. As far as the about face by teh US it says more about teh stupidity of the US diplomacy than the power of the Israeli lobby. The US should of known better to consult BOTH other parties beforehand, they chose not, and this is what happened.

UNGA created Israel but condemned Zionism. UNSC only condemned Israel.

After this latest act there isn't much credability in denying that the Israeli Lobby holds sway of the U.S. government. You can whine and cry anti-semitism all day long, but the facts on the ground speak volumes. Israel has no intetntion of ever allowing a Palestinian state nor does it want peace with its neighbors. Israel is too comfortable playing the role of victim, a fantasy that has worn out its 60 year run.

YOU simply can't be believed--You tell your fanciful tales and give your versions of event, none of which are factual--You never did finish up on the Druze village matter, you ran for cover as soon as you were confronted with the facts--You're hardly anyone that inspires confidence--Now, back to what you ran away from:: "Linthwaite - you really are small Name: * BEN JABO City: USA State: and ungrateful--I`m still waiting for the apology you owe, concerning that post you made when you tried to deceive us about Peikin village--Here `s part of it, the most pertinent part, the police were attacked with gunfire, etc.." #163 LINTHWAITE Name: * BEN JABO City: USA State: You`ve had enough time to recover from reading the facts--It`s about time apologized for your attempted deception-- "Here it is again, please pay attention: "Koren said the incident began while the arrests were taking place. ?He said a group of young men, aged between 17 and 24, began firing shots at police and hurled stun and tear gas grenades?."

The zionist tail is busy wagging the US dog as usual. One can see already how much (ie how little) pressure is going to be exerted on the cancerous settlers to leave. I pity Haaretz having to report such manure, as if Israel was a normal decent trustworthy country, instead of a bunch of third rate gangsters of the Edward G. Robinson / James Cagney variety (apologies to Hollywood for the insult).

you'll see the murder & mayhem that israel is causing in the West Bank.Forget Gaza,there it is a daily happening,which includes routine bulldozing of farmland.israel's crimes against Nature are as palpable as those against humans.1.million olive trees destroyed since 1948. Today,they have gone in& stormed two mosques,destroyed shops,including a UN operated clinic etc.

Natallie, this seems like wishful thinking on your part... "Erudition" and "objectivity" don't conceal it...

Israel as usual doesn't want peace, it wants war until the last American soldier.

America should encourage Abbas to call for elections. I agree. That is a constructive decision.

The balloon is loosing its hot air. An agreement for a time table without a commitment; how cute. I guess that the main purpose of this meeting was the group picture. Or maybe November 2008 was a shortcut for November 12008?

The continued implementation of the Allon Plan and Road Plan 50 and the creation of three or four Arab Bantustans. Settlements continue with 450,000 settlers in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. The UN knows what the facts are through OCHA so we can't have the Security Council call for two states they might make it happen. So the lap dog United States pulls the resolution. Well, so much for the U.S.-sponsored Mideast conference in Annapolis, Maryland. It didn't make it to the end of the week.

Since Israel has no intention of keeping to any agreement or promise, then it is best forgotten as soon as possible with as little fuss as possible.

they say so in the article.

Ben Jabo. don't worry the BOSS, Israel will make the decision for the US and if Israel says it will veto the resolution, be sure the US either will drop it or will veto it. Just leave it to Israel it was , is and always will be in the driver seat when it comes to American decisions in the Middle East. Israel makes the decisions for America to go to war, and our boys die and of course no one dare to speak out. No Israel will make the decision to kill the peace. Knowing American and Israeli politics and though I am a strong advocates for peace and reconciliations I think that Israeli lobby will kill the peace.

... the Israeli reasons. The UN is the respository of official anti-Israel sentiment and bias. People like Annan and Waldheim were transparently hostile. Ban Ki Moon is not,but his organization must learn to apply equal standards to its member nations before it can assume airy-fairy happiness and hand-holding skips down the fair country lane.I am one who wishes this resolution would have gone ahead because it's rare that there's any kind of agreement and also, Israel now risks vilification, as what it has asked to happen will be taken fully out of context and turned into an "example" of the "pariah" nature of Israel (as has already happened in this Talkback). The Security council members have kept their mouths shut and NOT acted when innocent Israelis have been killed by the Palestinians. But they rush to judhgement when the Jews retaliate. If they were more equanimitous, perhaps the nation they love to hate mighs show a little love back.

One of Jews greatest moments was blowing up the King David Hotel (pre-independance) with the rougue British officers left in the wreckage, which led to the cowardly British leaving the scene. Israel the nation was formed shortly thereafter. It's been uphill for Israel ever since.

We have not heard the real reasons for Israel's opposition to a proposed UN resolution which makes the Olmert-Abbas joint declaration an international document to abide by. The hoax that the members of the security council are not friendly to Israel is patently ludicrous. Would such resolution be palatable to Israel if the members were more inclinded towards her. Israel is not about to fulfil the spirit of the agreement and only engage as previously in endless negotiations and grand standing while taking every opportunity to remind the world that it is the Palestinians who are the obstructionists. Israel is loath to have another 181,242,338 and other resolutions to remind the world that they are the ones. The maneuvering space is slowly closing.

Forget whether or not both the Israelis and Palestinian Authority team have no interest in the resolution. Vote on it, accept it, and hold them both to it. Period.

for all the peace loving people, is there any link or a web site through which we can talk to Hamas people to explain to them things that they may not understand.I think they are too much Isolated and they don't hear anything of what we are saying. Can Haaretz have an interview with one of Hamas leaders and then we can talk back to him. I think if we don't communicate,they will not understand us, may be talking can open the magic door of peace.

TO ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF THE MIDDLE EAST. As an Indian, I would like to point out the MISTAKE INDIA MADE and IMPLORING YOU not to do the same. DO NOT FALL FOR A TWO STATE TRAP. West believes in "divisa et impera" (divide & conquer). WE FELL FOR IT. You dont fall fo it. A Unified Middle East would be nucleus and a "global power center" (which India could have been if we were not partitioned at birth) I have said this over and over again. A federation of socio-linguistic states (something like what India has done)is the answer. Please please ... give this a THOUGHT!!

If the US, a groveling puppet of Israel, actually puts forth a SC resolution and it passes, be assured that it will be worthless mush with no hope of being honored by Master Israel or it will be a sly play to yet again humiliate Arabs. Few resolutions have ever come out of the SC that require Israel to perform or when it has happend, Israel simply defies it. Why would this be any different??

how can Israel be expected to make peace with the palestinians when they vote for and support a terror group that wants to destroy Israel??? The double standard is huge here, but idiots like Fuckshmi, Fattalie Shmoorson and Dickfool just can't seem to get it. Israel needs to protect its people at all costs and never give into the radical Muslim terror machine. palestinians have been used as pawns against israel for decades by Arab and Muslim nations. Maybe they should wake up, move to jordan and Egypt and start living normal lives for themselves???

"The UN has done nothing positive toward Israel since 29 Nov 1947" I agree, Avner. It should have beaten the crap out of Israel for its countless atrocities and MADE it behave like a civilised nation. As it was, the USA was always there to stop this salutary action being taken.

"Israel's opposition stems from the fact that it does not believe the Security Council is the appropriate channel to adopt decisions on Mideast peace, because it does not consider most of the member states of the council to be friendly toward Israel." It would appear there is a need to change the makeup of the Council. The US should be on the team and I think there were two Pacific Island nations as well as France.

Natalie et al complain that a peace deal is being "forced down the throats" of Palestinians with their President Abbas as a "co-conspirator". They're unhappy that the Hamas rejectionists are not being given a chance to wage eternal warfare, as is their democratic right. Tell me, when duly elected right wing Israeli governments tell the Arabs to stuff it, Natalie et al is the first to call for international sanctions as punishment, right? If a democratically elected government opts for war, occupation or terror that government deserves to be coerced, right? Oh, but I guess the Palestinans are exempt. Truth is, if Hamas has a veto on a peace deal, the Palestinians will face an even worse fate than they already have. Clicky, Lakshmi and crowd simply don't care. None of them can cite a Hamas-written peace plan that has any chance of success.

"Israel has expressed opposition to an American initiative to pursue Security Council support for a proposed United Nations resolution endorsing this week's agreement by Israeli and Palestinian leaders to try to reach a Mideast peace settlement by the end of 2008." Why would Israel want the UN to get interested in this agreement? We all KNOW (if we are being honest with ourselves) that Israel has no real interest in a genuine peace settlement at this time. After all, the Greater Israel is still being actively pursued, goodwill towards the Palestinians is minimal, and the thought of making real territorial and other concessions ia anathema to them. Once the UN gets involved, it might want a progress report, perish the thought.

All it is is an affirmation of the Statement release at Annapolis which supports the two state solution to the Palestnian/Israeli conflict. Where is the red line for Israel? Who agreed to a two state solution at Annapolis. Unless of course Israeli's speak with forked tongues and have absolutely no intention of making peace with Palestine or anybody else for that matter.

and endless negative things. The UN should, therefore, keep itself out of the Annapolice Process!

Olmert has really put Israel in a straitjacket. First, his offhand remarks that Israel is finished if a 2-state does not happen makes Abbas know he can hold out for almost anything. Second, US is now the judge of what is progress, not Israel as General Jones will be prssing Israel. Thirdly, the US wants to force a UN resoluton to put it on the record that Israel has to give up territories and Jerusalem. Israel, contrary to Olmert's sophisticated bull, can survive even without a deal and shouldn't be cowed into a deal. Olmert admits he talked Sharon into withdrawing unilaterally which Eliezer now admits was a bad idea. Finally, insiders at Annapolis say that Olmert wanted the conference more than anyone else;to distract israelis from his poor security record. Israeli would take risks for peace with someone they could trust like sharon and Rabin. They do not put their trust in this weak, fearful representative of israel.No israeli leader has ever put israel into such a bad position.

.... Quote:"Israel's opposition stems from the fact that it does not believe the Security Council is the appropriate channel to adopt decisions on Mideast peace, because it does not consider most of the member states of the council to be friendly toward Israel." How shall we call this? Selective adoption or selective recognition of the UN Security Council? When the UN Security Council adopted resolutions against Saddam Hussein, did we hear similar sounds from Israel, as quote: "...it does not believe the Security Council is the appropriate channel to adopt decisions on Mideast peace..."? Or how about Israel's opinion about the UN Security Council's resolutions against Iran? Is it really so hard for Israel's government of right-wing fundamentalists, to state publicly: "we are not interested in peace." The biggest threat to Israel are the majority of the Israelis themselves. Its time for the UN to de-recognize Israel and to give the land back to the Palestinians.

Is this the first result of Annapolis? Sounds promising..!!!!

For goodness sake, pay attention to the caption--The U.S. is "PROPOSING" the resolution, at this stage she has no intention of using a veto--

With so many automatic vetos by the US for any thing that serves peace, I think the White House and the State Department will most likely decide to veto such resolution. It is unlike the US to vote for any thing that promote peace in the Middle East if not the world. let us see which UN resoultion will be implemented? Non.

"The U.S. draft calls on all states to provide ...efforts...including...preventing any support for acts of violence or terrorism intended to disrupt their efforts." When was the last time a terrorist stopped what he was doing because someone asked him nicely? This is one of those rare times that will show that the Arabs ignore UN resolutions even more blatantly than Israel does.

Why will Israel ignore a resolution that it's current gov't are already working towards implementing? And don't you think, that between all the Hamas apologism going on today, in addition to their own actions and statements the past few weeks (Let's not forget though, in addition to their whole existence), that perhaps it's shaping up to be justified for blaming Palestinians for any upcomming failures? Not a guarantee, sure. But definitely food for thought.

has a medieval ring to it! The question asked was:is it an attempt to forge an alliance against Iran?Re: Hamas being the emerging player,your own jewish groups in the u.s.are touting this line.Presumably you are not living in the u.s.of A and yes,israel is sitting on a powder keg,perhaps you did not read reports about israelis applying for passports to various countries.reminiscent of something!and all the noises about the ground invasion of Gaza are just that.It ain't going to be pretty.the idf knows that. so wake up !

If the Palestinians reject peace once again and stand behind the likes of Hamas then they are the one rushing towards a precipice. This really is the last chance for a Palestinian state. Groups like Hamas are irrelevant unless and until they recognize Israel and its right to exist in secure borders. If the Palestinians back these lunatics then they are like lemmings and the cliff face is real close. The equation is simple. Peace means the Palestinians win, Israelis win, Iran is the big looser and the puppets of Hamas are .... well who really cares what happens to them.

The UN has had its head in the sand as to Palestinian grievances ever since the UN took land from Palestinians and gave it to Jews to allevaite the statelessness, homelessness and persecution of the Jews. What the UN should do is establish a compensation commission to consider claims from individuals and their decendants whose property was taken and JUSTLY COMPENSATE those individuals in exchange for a release of claims. That would be fair!

UN should reiterate the need for full israeli withdrawal, as part of any peace plan. Otherwise the peace plan would be null and void.

Already warmongering

Israel will also ignore this resoltion because it has no desire to work for just peace and will make sure to blame the Palestinians for it!

Israel has been in violation of numerous UN Security Council resolutions over the past 35 years. Clearly, UN Security Council resolutions mean NOTHING to Israelis. Why does the Shrub Bush do this now? Can anyone spell HYPOCRITE?

Fraud and failure are two terms that are NOT interchangeable. I admit I haven't seen any polls on views over Annapolis since a week or so ago. But something tells me that that only propagandists (Or tabloids) would use "fraud" in a legitimate poll's wording. "Real player Hamas". Really, I'm sure you don't need me to explain just how laughably bad this statement is. In addition to that whole "secret suicidal death wish" part. Get real. Maybe you need to move to the West just to see how retarded your views are. Oh, what? You going to bring up the whole one IDF soldier that died three weeks ago as evidence of Hamas' military might? Let me pre-emptively respond to that then: LOL! "Emerging leader in Palestine". To whom? Not the Palestinians, that's for sure. And they still prefer a peace agreement with Israel. Sorry.

international poll done this morning shows the international community considers annapolis a fraud & an attempt by the u.s.-israel cabal to build an alliance against Iran.Nothing to do with peace.Further,the Palestinians won't accept it.israel is sitting on a powder keg &unless it has a secret suicidal death wish it had better start negotiating with the real player Hamas.BTW.the poll also showed that Hamas is considered to be the emerging leader in Palestine.

All this beating around the bush and engaging in series of ritualistic dances, seemingly harmless, but in reality counter productive. While there is a process as such, it still lacks substance and movement on the ground. A UN resolution should be in support of an AGREEMENT, not a pie in the sky. There was no agreement yet on any of the outstanding issues. There was an agreement to talk and that is not a new element. The UN puts this icing on that imaginary cake that does not exist, in the first place. We need to put the horse before the cart. First have an agreement, a plan of action and then tangible movement before the party. http://multicolor36.spaces.live.com

If not, Israel will make no more significant concessions. It is of extreme importance that The US/Quartet has not pressured Israel into anything, nor should they. Let them talk for as long as they like. Durson thinks Hamas has been disrespected. Well, Gnat...I guess that is just the way it's gonna be. Your heavy handed propaganda is hilarious. Too bad you all did not accept your Pal State in '48. You are getting exactly what you deserve. And guess what, Gnat, there is more to come. Gaza is going to get even better. In the mean time while you idiots try to harm Israel, Israel will continue to create breakthroughs in Medicine. You lost your good jobs in Israel, too bad. Your evil posts are an education for our young-uns so keep up your very stupid posts, thanx Gnat, The Rat Face.

Haha, the same old doom and gloom prediction that's been going on since even before Israel has been created. And I'm the one fast asleep? Looks like you've been derailed for years there, clickfool. Just unfortunate for you, as usual with your mindless posts that makes Durson's appear scholarly, that your latest has NOTHING in the way of actual content. Durson at least had the right idea to be the broken record. Well, you kind of are being one too. But who the hell listens to lines used by supremacists, other than supremacists? :P Have fun rusting on the side of the tracks though :P

"The Jewish organisations, which were our power base in America will be the first to come out against us because they will say they cannot support a state that does not support democracy and equal voting rights for all its residents," (Olmert) said." http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,2219485,00.html A "power base", indeed. Here we have Olmert admitting the truth of the Walt and Mearsheimer Harvard Study.

According to the Palestinian Center for Human Rights (PCHR) Weekly Report, in the week of the 22nd to 28th of November, 11 Palestinians, including 2 brothers, were killed by Israeli forces, 28 were wounded, and 42 were abducted by Israeli forces this week.

"Can`t hear you. The engine on this train to peace is a little too loud. Speak up." Bad news, "Awake". You're still fast asleep. You're just enjoying a cosy little dream. The train you're in the same old Zionist train, heading towards the precipice - the one that's been on this same doomed track since 1948, with frozen controls and nobody at the back able to do a damned thing to stop it.

"The United States asked the Security Council to support a United Nations resolution endorsing this week's agreement by Israeli and Palestinian leaders to try to reach a Mideast peace settlement by the end of 2008." More political theatre from the ridiculous Bush administration. Absolutely NOTHING was achieved at Annapolis other than an agreement to TRY to achieve some sort of settlement by a time safely in the distance. Now the Bush administration wants the Security Council to approve this great pile of froth. Hands up all who like vanilla! Hands up all who like apple pie and ice cream! Hands up all those who approve of mother love! (((SOUNDS OF MASS APPLAUSE AND THUNDEROUS FOOT-STAMPING)))

yes kms tha americans are in way over their heads, that's why bush vetos health bills and childrens education and health bills, but in the same breath asks for more war funding lmao

Ha, what nonsense! Anyone that has followed the history of the Mid-East peace industry knows that it's paved with good intentions like the road map, Camp David 1+2, OSLO, Hebron Accords, Wye, Madrid and so on. We also are versed in meaningless words like resolution 242 or other meaningless agreements made in the Anti-Zionist playground some call the UN (Useless Nations). Lets not kid ourselves there will be no Palestinian State in ANY of our life times and that is because a Palestinian State was never an actual plan, just a code word for the destruction of Israel and the Jewish people.

Targeted killings and road-block intimidation have managed to stall the peace process so far. Will the new UN resolution mean these have to stop?

The words "Israel" and "Security Council" in the same sentence and no reflexive US veto!!

Your family name indicates you must have a fabulous voice--Bush & Rice are really pushing this--It is supposed to salvage Bush's tarnished image--After all, he got involved in two wars, can't extricate himself, and he is in way over his head--Bush is willing to sacrafice Israel in attempt to salvage his image and leave something worthwhile behind instead of two failed wars--

There was no deal. The two sides agreed to talk, that is all. ANd eventually, the talks will collapse over the core issues. Are the Americans so bankrupt?

Can't hear you. The engine on this train to peace is a little too loud. Speak up. What? Oh, ok. We'll just leave you here stuck in the past as we move on towards our destination. Have fun! Tell Hamas and Iran we said HI!!

Why end of next year ? Why not asap ?? Why not next month ?? The matter is so extremely urgent !

In 1947 the UN decided to partition the Land of Israel into an Arab state and a Jewish state with a 30% Arab minority. The Arabs could have accepted that decision. The leaders of the Zionist endeavor in the Land of Israel accepted that decision. The Arabs rejected it. That rejection meant that they were not going to let the 600000+ Jews in the Land of Israel live. UN decisions do not necessarily lead to peace. What is needed more then another UN decision is a decision that the final status agreement will be followed by negotiations for a staged detailed implementation agreement. Such an agreement will allow the orderly transfer of control from Israel to the Palestinians and create a stable Palestinian state. A hasty implementation by a currently disfunctional PA may lead to an unstable state and risk resumption of war.

If America is conspiring with Israel to rush a pro-Israeli "peace agreement" down the throats of the Palestinian people, with the assistance of Abbas as a co-conspiritor, it will not be accepted by the Palestinian people, much less the militant groups. In fact, it will be meaningless. America should encourage Abbas to call for elections, as is his duty under the constitution, rather then conspire with them in anti-democratic activity. In is in the interest of all parties to ensure that the Palestinian leader negotiatating the peace agreement has the legitimate support of his people.

Is this the "forced 7 year peace treaty" the Bible speaks of? Is this the beginning of the 7 year tribulation period?