'U.S. to stand by Israel in the fight against Goldstone report'

both sides will go for trial! we want justice, once and for all! then peace forever!

you are absolutely right! peres is a big lier. come on peres be a brave man once in your life! stop making your own people violent! they have to learn how to respect other nations, not hate! we are in 21st century. no more killings! this world is a peace world, wars are old fashion now!

This is a report where Israel refused to provide information. Now Israel attacks the report and personally attacks Judge Goldstone. Netanyahu, Lieberman and Peres have mounted a campaign based on rhetoric rather than facts. No one has substantiated any errors in the report. Obama has taken Israel's side and undercut Abbas and the Palestinian people. Obama should have and could have remained neutral. Obama's peace process has died through his own actions. Netanyahu has now undertaken an effort to rewrite the rules of war. This appears to be an effort to justify Israel's actions in Gaza after the fact. I suspect that Israel has conducted a cover-up because the IDF had orders from the highest levels to conduct a massive military operation dispensing collective punishment against families, neighborhoods and communities. The objective was to strike fear in the hearts of every Palestinian.

What are you afraid of Israel? You have committed no wrong or as much as the otherside.You win no friends by blocking a discussion.

In truth, the whole barrel is rotten; get use to life! Just take the best you can find?

to create this world as better place we must stand by the truth, we must be a profesional and honest in any matter , hold justice for all and respect each other. US must change his policy to stand by justice in middle position as UN has done and Israel (IDF)must take responsible for crimes against humanity in Gaza where more than 1300 civilians died, many of them women and childrens. International community will judge US and Israel if they failed to prosecute Israeli officials for war crimes to International Criminal Court at The Hague.

"It was way after that when Isarel had to do something you somehow became a humanist at your own convenience." This is what i have discovered. many european people simply want to show off how humanitarian they are regardless of facts. and yes, russia and china they have the same conspiracy and the same fear. I feel really cold when SwissDino compared a real "oppressive country" to Israel, as i myself live in china and i know what it feels like.

broker protecting one of its rotten apples.

How come Israel thinks/feels she never does anything incorrectly/wrong? We'll never have peace with this kind of attitude/behaviour. Peace

Just like a child. You can't argue with the rebuttals against you, so your response is "Either learn to live with it or leave it". There was a time when you at least provided feeble attempts at appearing 'neutral'. Those days are gone, aren't they? Now, it's just full-speed-ahead Jew-hating. Poor, Swiss, longing for those 'good 'ol days' when Jews were herded like cattle to their deaths. Well, my dear bigoted friend, those days, too, are gone. We Jews aren't going to make the same mistake again. This time, it is YOU who will have to "live with it".

....it was exactly your beloved "Jewish establishment" that harassed those courageous Jewish rabbis, who publicly spoke out against the continued animal abuse at Agriprocessors. Really a "shining example" indeed....

....of this world, I have the freedom to buy my products from whomever I would like to.... And I don't owe you a single explanation for my possible reasons. Too bad, isn't it...??? :)

Political pressure and fear of being charged themselves might get Israel enough votes to block the Goldstone report from being acted upon. But those things don't do much against individuals. And individuals who were disgusted at what they saw in Gaza are likely to react to seeing those used to whitewash it by taking little actions themselves. And the tipping point for the boycott campaign, from when it turns from a fringe movement to mainstream acceptability is being approached without that extra boost. (Oh, and for those demanding that the barrage going into Israel be condemned, what about the barrage going the other way? Have you been vocal about those shells, missiles, and bullets?)

Either learn to live with it or leave it..... P.S. H: A lot of Jews living in China, right...??? :)

"If you think you can "deter" critics by demanding that they always mention all the other "sinners" in this world at the same time when criticizing anything about Israel/ Jewish Diaspora, then you are dead wrong...." and on this very same topic, clear as day in a later post.. "Since China is also an "oppressive" state....." It only confirms my approach to avoid both products "made in China" and "made in Israel" Why don't you apply your sense of indignation without selectivity. I think this proves how inane and pathetic an Antisemite you are. Ethnic minorities know these things, we never needed proof but if it's proof you want then here it is. BTW I'd remember this one folks for future reference.

It appears that some of the worlds leading countries feel that the Goldstone Report is not as "relevant" and not as its convincing as its proponents would like them to believe. Will there be a Goldstone II?

we try to reason with him, but we fail to understand he is just a megaphone stuck on repeat... spewing the same ignorant hate over and over again...

Just like Ms. Susan Westwell whom I find to be somehow responsible of the deaths in Gaza during cast lead I find also Swiss (Dino) responsible for the same reason. He too never influenced Hamas albeit by his small means of posting in Harretz when the rockets were falling into Israel. He did not do anything to prevent that therefore he bears some responsibility.

"If you think you can "deter" critics by demanding that they always mention all the other "sinners" in this world at the same time when criticizing anything about Israel/ Jewish Diaspora, then you are dead wrong...." David Israel didn't "demand that you always mention...". He observed that you "never say a word about the inhumahe slaughter that goes unreported every year in Muslim countries...", and his observation is 100% accurate. The fact is that you NEVER concern yourself with humanitarian endeavors throughout the 99.9% of the world in which Israel is not involved. This merely proves what everyone in this forum has long known about you. You are devoted to Israel/Jew-bashing 365 days per year. But, of course, you are not an anti-semite, right. You're oh-so-neutral.What a crock. If you think you are helping the enemies of Israel/Jews by spewing your hatred on an Israeli newspaper's website, you are dead wrong. We see right through you.

That incident was discovered and brought into the eyes of the public by American Jews who you call the diaspora Jews. Your word referring to the so called "Jewish establishment") also is very reveling about you. I don't expect you to mention all other sinners when you are criticising an incident. The problem is you did not criticise Arabs when the rockets were killing Dorit Benisian and Yuval Abebeh. It was way after that when Isarel had to do something you somehow became a humanist at your own convenience. If you are siolent about 300000 killed in Darfur, teh Jewsish children killed under Hamas rockets but only raise your voice when Israel defends itself you are the one dead wrong. This is not humanism, it is something else and you know it.

....for that appalling animal abuse in the biggest U.S. Kosher slaughterhouse...??? Hindus...??? By the way, I didn't criticize Israel because of it, I criticized YOU (parts of the Jewish Diaspora in the U.S., especially the so called "Jewish establishment") for your shameful silence. P.S. If you think you can "deter" critics by demanding that they always mention all the other "sinners" in this world at the same time when criticizing anything about Israel/ Jewish Diaspora, then you are dead wrong....

Oh Please Stella. If Palestinians hadnt shot a constant barrage of rockets and bombs at Israel civilians for the last 10 years the reaction we saw in Gaza would never have happened. But do tell us Stella how many murders Israel needs to accept before you give them permission to defend there citizens from terrorists. How pathetic you Israeli bashers really are.

Weather it is Israeli or Arab. This is why I am supporting a peace agreement that will allow a Palestinian Jewish state which is Isarel and a Palestinian Arab state to be crerated in WB and Gaza. Let me ask you this: Did you ever criticise Arabs and Hamas when they killed the two Israeli children with the rocket attacks? I don't remember. However if tehese rockets had not been launched over Israel kiling them I have no doubt that there would be no Israeli Cast Lead operation. By not raising your voice at the Hamas rockets killing Israeli children and even not trying to use your influence if any, to stop Hamas from these crimes which lead to Isarel's unfortunate actions, I find you to be a bit responsible for those who lost their lives in Gaza also. Think about it...

Ya gotta love the holier than thou Europeeings when they ever so righteously condemn the "crimes" of Israel in protecting itself. Europeeing nation building took centuries, and over those centuries millions and millions of crimes against humanity were committed by today's most honored heroes of those countries. Now that the Europeeings are sitting back on their fat arses, enjoying the fruits of hundreds of years of rapine, pillage, murder and general mayhem against the populations of the world, they feel they are in a position to enthusiastically condemn a tiny nation trying to protect itself against rabid hordes of Muslim supremacists. But when will you return, oh Europe, the fruits of your grasping greed to the peoples of the earth? When will you make amendss and compensate the millions of your victims who have paid with their sweat and lives to enrich the bloated citizens of Europe? It's small wonder that the word "hypocrisy" comes from Greece, the cradle of Europe.

Support Israel aat the U.N.against the Godlstone report, then the Peace Prize should be taken away from him. Let the International Court decide what to be done so this kind of violance is not repeated again and again. Let the chips fall where they may. Let justice be applied on whom ever is the culprit.

The reporter, Jonathan Lis, was not present at the meeting between Peres and Rice. It was a closed door meeting. According to Ma'an, the quotes in the article come from a statement released by Peres' office. So, this is Peres' version of the meeting: 'The US pledged on Tuesday to help Israel combat the Goldstone report documents alleged war crimes committed during the attack on Gaza last winter. This offer to ?fight the Goldstone report? came during a meeting between US Ambassador to the UN Susan Rice and Israeli President Shimon Peres in Jerusalem, according to a statement from Peres? office. ?It is outrageous that a respected institution like the United Nations provides a platform to spread lies and stories about Israel,? Peres told Rice during their closed-door meeting, according to the statement.'

How many is many? When it comes to Jewish victims I guess two is a massacre. A few thousand Palestinians don't count.

Tell your goverment to stop occupation and killing of innocent people. I will bet you the bashing will stop. But your goverment like war and killing...

he views "ALL" forms of resistance acceptable... and any acts by Israel to stop the resistance (violent or non)as illegitimate/illegal...

I will also stand by Israel. Unfortunately my contribution will not make much difference will it? I will stand by Israel. The hatred against her is just unnacceptable.

The only way the USA can help Israel, is to get Israel to give up it's war criminals for trial. If the USA helps Israeli war criminals, it is not helping Israel.

Before cast lead Hamas rockets had killed many Israeli chil;dren also Ihave been menttioning two names that never leaves my mind Dorit Benisian and Yuval Abebeh When will you ask the Palestinian Arab leadership to be tried in Den Haag?

the report condemns BOTH the IDF and Hamas for possible war crimes. both groups should face an independent investigation. if Israel has nothing to hide, they will not fear this.

New Presidentt, new team, new personalities, therfore one must give the benefit of doubt to our Israeli Ally. But just once. Some of diplomacy is personal, and in the mid-east yesterday events are ancient history to some when it's convenient. Obama is going to do a 4 year intensive diplomatic push. No other President has done that. Every day of his presidency someone will be working the Israelis for peace... It will happen.

the fact of having committed an offence, crime, violation, or wrong, esp. against moral ethics and human rights, usually results in a massive amount of guilt, which after time could lead the guilty party into raising their voice, creating distractions and lies to cover up the facts that could indict them. The state of Israel is doing just that.

I am not even religious nor do I believe in any supreme being. How can I be anti gentile?

1. I donot like to label anyone who fairly criticisez Israel as anti-Semites. I also do not support many Israeli policies. 2.There is a great article about this subject in Hurriyet written by HADI ULUENGIN who happens to be a Muslim Turk and often very critical of Isarel but not at all an anti-Semite. Unfortunately the google translation of Turkish is not very accurate. 3. On the other hand many who are posting at Haaretz who claim to criticize Zionism sound that they are intolerant of Jews in general rather then just critical of Israel. 4. As for you; I can never forget how you used an incident in the USA about a Kosher slaughterhouse to criticise Isarel (it did not happen in Israel you did not criticise USA you criticised Jews flat out). At the same time never saying a word about the inhumane slaughter that goes unreported every year in Muslim countries such as Turkey during the holidays. This tells a lot about you.

....it hardly comes as a surprise, that they would stick with Israel in that regard. Imagine their own "war crimes" against the people in Tibet would end up in Den Haag.... It only confirms my approach to avoid both products "made in China" and "made in Israel" whenever there is an alternative, until I see big change happening in both countries.

Shame on you America.

"The plan is for the Report to go from the UNHRC to the General Assembly, where a full, public discussion can be held, avoiding the US veto. The GA can then send it to the ICC at The Hague..." Uhmm, well no actually it can't. Perhaps instead of bloviating about what you would LIKE to be the law, you might actually want to look at the jurisdiction of the Court under the Rome Statute (hint: Art. 12 &13). The UNGA has NO such authority; the power lies with the Security Council to make such a reference -- and do I also have to tell you about how the veto works? I'm no huge fan of Israel, but they must love having people like you as their intellectual foils. But do keep us posted with any other hot tips on what "the plan" is...

Why does it not surprise me that the U.S and China would want to help Isreal over the report. These two countries over the years, have learned how to deal with the U.N over their misdeeds. I say learn from the best, but there are a few other countries they can also talk too. Money talks and they want to sell.

A couple of days ago Mr. Goldstone was angered by the UN Human Rights Council for not mentioning Hamas War Crimes against Israel. What was he thinking when picking up this job for an organization ruled by mostly fascist countries, many of them moslem. How naive can you be?

....whether the charges are founded or not. No reason not to go to Den Haag, if you have a good conscience...:)

...."anti-Semitism", correct...??? The only difference: One works in your favour (or at least you think so), and the other doesn't...:)

Yeah, kinda like: "ANTI-SEMITE", right Davey? Of course, you're an ANTI-GENTILE, so I'm sure you will keep throwing out your lies and smears, huh?

it is also relative... what is true is alot of peole died... Militants and civilians. This about is determining responsibility for those deaths... Is it solely of those who drop the bombs? Is it of those who caused the bombs to be droped? At the end of the day this will show what is deemed legitimate resistance and what is deemed legitimate self defence. Truth does not matter what is right does.

Daddy USA's gonna bail out Israel the spoilt brat again.

like so many of the morons who post on talkback they omit to consult a dictionary 1

doris time for the senior citizens home !

Goldstone is right. Israeli leaders are all lying including Peres. Peres' nobel prize should be taken back for lying.

The hamass loyals tossed Fatah members off of roofs and NO ONE SAID NOTHING... What gives? a blind eye? Hypocrites!

the us would veto anything in the Security Council anyways... the hague could be a diff story, but even still no one can come into Israel and get em, it would be up to foreign nations to arrest any israeli officials while in their country, and they normally let officials know beforehand that they could be arrested if they enter their country.

No one, who says that Obama is bad for Israel, can say that now with a straight face. The White House is behind Israel on this one--rejecting the Goldstone report. Reasons this is being done is another story; but on the surface it may be to preserve the "budding peace process."

The whole world knows that the Israelis committed war crimes d uring Cast Lead (and in the Lebanon war). They don't need a report to tell them or a security council veto to tell them that the U.S. kisses Israel's "you know what" to appease the jewish vote.

You have been usiing this War Criminal word so much and in places that it does not really apply that the serious phrase is loosing its meaning and importance.

Like he stood by Poland, and the Czech Republic, the democracy seekers of Iran, the Tibetans, the Nepalese, democracy in Honduras. And most recently, his offer to subsidize the Sudan in return for their REDUCING the number of Black Africans they are murdering! All the supposed US allies best beware!

Russia has issues at Chechnia and alreadyused excessive force against them in the past. Would not hesitate to do the same in the future. China has issues at XinJian Uyghur province with its ethnic Uyghurs (or Turks) who are Muslim. They also had to use force against them a few months ago. Additionally China has other Human rights issues. France and Spain have teh Basque issue which has calmed down but you never know what the future brings. Even Turkey has the PKK issue and despite what they call the DEMOCRATIC OPENING are stil using F16s to bomb the area around the Kandil mountain but Turkey does not have a government that make sense therefore they can shoot at their feet and it is too late when they feel the pain. So this is why China and Russia do not want this issue in the Security Council. If your means to fight terrorism are cut then terrorism will win all over the world. Sane countries should never allow that.

"An internal investigation by the IDF will prove Israels right." Speak about pre-concluded conclusions and one-sided "investigations"... This has become a travesty. No one cares about trouth. Your own words reveal it...

Why not examine what happened in Gaza? Is it better to keep one's head in the sand? Not sure what happened in Gaza? Forget Goldstone, there are plenty of other places to garner knowledge about the disaster that took place. There is no question about the number of dead nor about the destruction, plenty of pictures.

The plan is for the Report to go from the UNHRC to the General Assembly, where a full, public discussion can be held, avoiding the US veto. The GA can then send it to the ICC at The Hague, perhaps allowing a few months delay for Israel to produce a credible report of its own, as Goldstone suggested.

Yeah, if I were China, I would be careful about any accusations of violations of Human Rights. First, the case of Tibet that nobody sees, then the Uighurs of Western China who have succeeded to plead their case, and . . . Tien an Men. Gaza, compared to the above is child's play!

Africa is burning, the Russians have a Chechen feet in there mouths, India and Pakistan are busy picking up body parts, all of Europe is on constant vigil, and even Iran is now tasting the fruits of the "heroes of Islam" they have been supporting for 40 years. The Chinese are only saying out loud what the "non Islamic" world has been scared to say.

Nearly every nation on the planet has tasted Islamic terrorism in one form or another. Open the paper on any given day and there are several hundred murdered civilians at the hands of Islamic terrorists. The Chinese are only saying out loud what the "non Islamic" world has been scared to say.

Nearly every nation on the planet has tasted Islamic terrorism in one form or another. The Russians dont want to be dragged into court for fighting Chechen terrorists. India, Pakistan, Indonesia, are all picking up body parts off the streets, and Europe is on constant vigil. And now Iran is tasting the fruits of the "heroes of Islam" they have been supporting for 40 years. The Chinese are only saying out loud what the "non Islamic" world has been scared to say.

...doesn't suspend a terrorist state like Israel. ...

...."Peace Nobel Prize winner" in one. A truly "special" human being....

"Rice promised that the United States will continue to stand by Israel as a loyal friend in the fight against the Goldstone report." Somebody please help me understand how Israel is a loyal friend of the United States. A country that is dependent on the American purse and yet goes on to stymie or oppose every US president seeking a balanced and fair resolution of the Palestianian issue. Rice is too smart to believe her own rhetoric.

before the ICC. "They are only Arab children" isn't much of a defence though, but good luck.

"Useful Idiots" - the Stalin era referral to the Soiviet sympathisers in the West... And now, Goldstone, the "useful Idiot" in the service of the U.N. & the other anti Israeli sentiments

'Good news'may be for the politicians, but whether or not the Russians or the Chinese don?t support the report to be discussed at the security council is got nothing to be proud of, the report however criticised put it black over white, Israel in the first grade has committed war crimes and possible crimes against humanity, and the the whole of the word got the news i say shame on the IDF and Israeli politicians for trying to play it low key issue.

because if you take all 15 countries on the security council and compare to Israel's record, Israel will definitely come out as one with a better moral and ethical military. All Israel needs to say is if we go to the Hague, you are all coming with, and we'll all be screwed. The only ones who won't care are the Arab/Muslim states, whose animosity towards Israel rivals their love of themselves.

folly. Why not investigate and report on the Chinese Uighars? Or the acts of Russia in Chechneya? How about the Sri Lankan Gov for the slaughter of the Tamil and the ten thousand rounded up in camps? If it goes further then the General Assembly, I will be surprised.

The international community can now focus on how and by what means terrorisme can be fought.

well if it cant get past the UNHR (which is highly biased against Israel already) then the report by Goldstone is not so dangerous after all. An internal investigation by the IDF will prove Israels right. Hamas will not conduct such a survey and in the end the results will be only condemnation of Hamas.

Likewise russia wants no SC discussion. No discussion, no US veto.

The story does not contain an official Chinese gov't press release. It only names a parliamentary delegation and it does not provide a single name. Sounds like wishful thinking.