U.S. to increase military aid to Israel in decade-long deal

I am a veteran of the US army. I served during but not in Vietnam. I am currently on Diability because of a heart attack. My wife works and earns a little over 50K a year. In new York a tough number to live on. I am not entiled to veteran medical benefits because income thresholds have been established. So why don't we give Isreal another billion or so and increase the loan gaurantees of 7 billion plus a few more billion that way we can eliminate my Disability. And by the way isn't social security going bust?? Enough is an enough!

God bless america!

Rowan Berkely is right because the Military corporations love to keep the Middle east conflict going because there's no money in peace & the price of wars is paid by the Arabs & Jews only,on the other hand the Zionist Jews who're against any attempt of peace making are making more money by the tons every minute.

Okay, I will, but Google shows two websites for him...I only read bits but they were put there by his admirers. Before you ask me about Suez, I do know about it, my stepfather was there in the British army at that time. Not that he talks much. There is a young Jewish woman just come to work in the same office as me; I asked her about Yentah, she laughed a bit but her description was exactly the same as the one you wrote. She also told me about her trip to Israel early this year. Now, as for these lessons, you might think of them as a sort of public relations; if people understand more, maybe their minds will be changed. Did you think of that one??

Israel must make peace, its too late for more war.Play fair with your neighbors, stop bombing them, give some funds to secure a peaceful life.

Google Wikipedia's TIMELINES ARAB ISRAEL CONFLICT, Nassere will appear in two sections, 1956 Suez blockade and 1967 war, where he kept threatening Israel. Try Egyptian military leaders 1950-1980 or thereabouts. I'm going to start billing you for all these private lessons.

Google doesn't have everything. It's a Yiddish word. Many American do know what it means. I had told you, check it out with any Jew, preferably one that has some knowledge of Yiddish. Call a Synagogue, ask the rabbi.

I found two homepages for Gamal Abdel Nasser.

That's the description of the word "Yentah"? Then why didn't I find it on Google? As for Jews talking to me, as you phrase it, most of the doctors working with me are Jewish. And they certainly can talk.

Female busybody, sticks her nose in where it isn't wanted, gives worthless advice, talks endlessly to make herself feel important and makes her self obnoxious while doing so. Worst of all, she doesn't know what she's talking about. You should find any Jew that'll talk to you, his/her definiation won't vary far from mine.

GOOGLE "Gamal Abdel Nasser", told you this before. If you can't find him, get your eyes examined.

Okay then...now, you just go to Google, and look at the first page it gives you when you enter "Yentah"....what on earth does that tell me? Warm springs, message boards, matchmakers....I don't see a description!

Nasser - ruler of Egypt?

Palestinian's, prior to to Israels establishment didn't know what medical care was. Palestinina leaders gave them nothing, not even basic social services. I recall seeing a photo of an infant child sitting in the gutter in Ramle, near Lod airport (at that time Lydda), face covered with large black and green fly's. Child didn't attempt to brush their annoyance away. There was no DDT destroying insects before the Jews sprayed the area. Arab women actually gave birth in clean hospital surroundings instead of the earthen hovels they lived in. Doctors and nurses attended to their needs. That's the reason the Arab mortality rate was so low, medical care, medicines and sanitation assured it. Learn about Nasser, you sorely need education. Palestinian attend schools in the hope they can educate themselves and get out, away from other Palestinian's that only think of war and hate. Hatred doesn't fill bellies, the UN does via UNWRA. You have an awful lot to learn

In your capacity as a "Social Worker", with your lack of knowledge and rationale, you must have intended to write INMATE, acting under the delusion that you actually knew something. My underlings aren't paid to like or dislike, they're paid to do what what I instruct. Yentah, good question, LOOK IT UP!! You didn't know who Nasser was, a clear indication that your knowledge is superficial at best. Google him, learn something, stop pretending to be what you're not, that's delusional.

I'm not your teacher, I gave you homework, do it and then discuss. Thusfar your lack of knowledge has you talking through your hat. Come on back when you've done the reading and have the intelligence to discuss. Up till now you been blowing hot air. Try and get your thoughts together, I don't intend or have the time to reply to each bit of nonsense you write until there's a clear indication that you have some idea of what you're talking about. I'm not interested in a discussion with a human parrot. I can't get over it, YOU didn't know who Nasser was. Unbelievable!!

You say the Palestinians had a good life, the best life of all Arabs. Best educated, best medical, most cars, lowest infant mortality rate.... But when was this? Because Israel has been militarily occuping the West Bank and until recently Gaza for forty years, and the Palestinians haven't had all that during those years...and I can't believe you'd say something so uncharitable as "Palestinians deserve every affliction they are getting". That is an awful thing to say....neither Palestinians nor Israelis deserve awful lives.

"In my capacity as a corporate controller, if I catch any of subordinates discussing matters they shouldn't I warn them once, then can them" I wonder that you are allowed to get away with it! In my capacity as a social worker in a pychiatric hospital, I can say you must be greatly disliked by your co-workers (underlings?)... As for you calling me "Ballistic", at least Israel is lucky in one thing; it doesn't have you in charge of their secret service or Shin Bet....if you were; you'd be hitting the wrong people right and left as the body count grew and the real perpetrator laughed at you....

You are telling me that the Palestinans attacked the Israelis in the past, 5/15/48. Now, what do you say about the "Right of Return"? Do you deny that the Israelis chased the Palestinians out of their homes back in the 40s? If not, what do they want to return to? Their old homes in Israel, isn't it?

"Even in USA if you threaten me publicly which Nasser did...." Just a minute. Who is Nasser, and what was the threat? I agree with you that here self-defence is legal. Connecticut doesn't have very high crime rates, though.

I take exception to your comment "maybe it's in style in your circle to bash Israel". I can assure you the people I work with don't discuss politics at all (much as I'd like to!) and my friends aren't interested either, worst luck. That's one of the reasons I like being here. Also as I stated elsewhere I have an Israeli friend in Tel Aviv and we discuss (argue) these issues very often. A last question....you mention "obesity" in your post. What on earth does that have to do with Israel and Palestine???????

Your post left me in actual bewilderment. I have no idea what you are talking about. But no matter. It's not important.

Ben Jabo, the point here isn't really a matter of backing up anyone, just that I feel that it isn't always necessary or practical to insist or demand that posters tell the sources of their information. This just happens...I've asked questions here before, and never got them answered, or made suggestions, and never got them responded to...posters go on to other threads, or forget, or whatever. For instance, you've never yet replied to my two state solution post! As for the NY Times poll mentioned by Muhammed Al Swain, I can't remember where I've seen such polls, but I can honestly tell you that I have seen articles which state that many Americans do not approve of so much money to Israel. I live near New York and so see their papers, but maybe you don't...you don't post your own state.

Since you're backing up Al Swain, where did you get YOUR information from, other than gossip or talking to yourself. Mohamed REFUSES to substantiate his allegations, nor will he supply the name of the NY Times Poll that he claims has the figures. I'm starting figure that this is just another unsubstaniated statement that has no support from any legitimate source and was a lie made up out of the whole cloth. PROVE ME WRONG!!!

Umpteenth request, starting NOT to believe you. Prove what you claim, otherwise we'll know it's baloney...What is the NY Times Poll Called???......."#219 FACTS: "OST AMERICANS ARE AGAINST FREE HANDOUTS TO ISRAEL" Name: Muhammud al-Swain City: Dearborn State: Michigan More distortions of the truth. In a recent New York Times scientific poll "72% of Americans" stated they no longer want to send their hard earned tax dollars to israel. The israeli jews are very wealthy and they can afford to pay for their own military adventures

Silvienne Today is Sunday and just came in to delete the page.Gosh!So many of yours,I was blinded. Did you buy the whole lot,or what? Anyhow,I am off and will get rid of it as soon as I can. Carry on regardless,but I just read *BEN JABO's confirming your idendity as a person (who's name would never pass my lips ever again)! Enjoy your notoriety while you can.It cannot last too long I fear....

You made a totally outlandish claim. I've reminded you quite a few times regarding your sources. You've failed to reply. Now let's try something a bit different, TRY TELLING THE TRUTH..."AL SWAIN - YOO HOO - CALLING YOUR BLUFF Name: * BEN JABO City: USA State: Make my day. I`m eagerly awaiting the information I requested. After all you made the charge, now`s the time to prove it....."#319 Al Swain Name: * BEN JABO City: USA State: I`m amazed that you`re unaware that the NY Times is held in disrepute. Their reporters have been caught too many times faking stories. What was once a GREAT newspaper has turned far left, prostituted itself in the attempt to retrive readership. What`s the specific name of that alleged poll, really would like to check it out, if it exists. Everytime, without exception, one of you guys quote stats, percentages or anything related to number, when asked for the source or link, you get flumoxxed and retreat, never answering the question. NAME OF POLL, DATE, ETC. RSVP

Idd you would bring New Orleans into this. The U.S. spent billions, bought the wrong stuff and wasted time. On the other hand, Israel know how and what to do with the money. I've always felt that those that delve on money to a great extent, don't have it, wish they did, or didn't pay their taxes in the first place.

I mentioned many places were people suffer much, much more then Palis,were the obesity rate is much lower. And I asked you, if you have simmilar "care" and "love" for those. Or is it only the murderous Palis provoke your softer feelings????? I guess,if not for Israel, you would not have much feeling for Palis,or maybe it is in style in your circle to bash Israel.I would like to understand, why you are so missguided,AND NOT ONLY YOU.

"stolen" Does not mean a thing. Do you know how many said, that Stalin is good and right?? Or Khomeini,Or Mao, OR Sadam... Many are not always right. To parot what MANY do,or say, robs you of your own clear thinking. Try to work,read,analize, and develope your own oppinions.

own doing. They did it to themself. Before they started their murderous compagn against Israel, Palis had a prety good life, the best life of all Arabs.Best educated,best medical svc,lowest infant mortality rate,most cars per capita. .free no borders travel everywere in Israel...Than they made a decission to terrorize Israel, with a purpose not to have their own country, but to destroy Israel.Islamic extremism overtook the reality.They could have their country 6o years ego.If you do not have an agenda, then you are plain naive,do not understand the reality of ME.Palis deserve every afliction they geting. Nothing to be sorry for them.Even EU realized it. Your fellings are totaly missplaced.

Silvienne, the reason I'll ignore you is really quite easy to understand. Like any good boss, I despise office gossips. they stick their noses into situations and cause friction. Most of the time they have nothing intelligent to contribute, just like to feel importatn In my capactity as a Corporate Controller, when I catch any of my subordinates discussing matters that shouldn't be, I warn them just once, then can them. You've been canned for being a Yentah.

You really should "think" less and get your hands on some facts for a change. I'll give you the sources again shortly. Palestinian "IRREGULARS", in conjunction with five, count them, five arab armies attacked Israel on 5/15/48. Prior to that, the Pali's continually attacked Jewish civilian convoys containing food & medicines. Look up Mt. Scopus' attack on ambulances, murdering the doctors & nurses on the way to the Mt. Scopus hospital. Now for the sources, for the last, final and end of all listings, just read em and then talk. Always use the same search phrase, makes it easier. "TIMELINES ISRAEL ARAB CONFLICT". Wikipedia, Answers.Com & Concise Brittanica, ALL have the information. No vast "Thinking" required, just the ability to comprehend the written word...,"I didn`t think it was the Palestinians who attacked Israel in 1948"

Israel's right to defend itself was perfectly legal, Arabs attacks weren't. Get it?? If the Arabs hadn't of attacked there wouldn't have been a war in the first place. Understand? Even in the good old USA, if you threaten me publicly, which Nasser did, it's considered to be as if it was the actual assault, allowing me to defend myself. The fact you have a gun, wave it under my nose, is adequate reason for me to take necessary defensive actions. You started it, you live or die with it.

"Sure they want their land back, they should have thought of that before they attacked Israel in 1948". I didn't think it was the Palestinians who attacked Israel in 1948, and anyway, our own country has made many mistakes. Does this mean because Palestine "didn't think of that" in 1948 that they can never have their land back? Incidentally, Ben, you realise that by your statement, "they want their land back" you are tacitly admitting that their land has been stolen by Israel? Just thought I'd let you know that. I didn't notice Ballistic in our discussion, though. Where is his post?

"The attacks by the Egyptians and Syrians were far more illegal than the Israeli occupation"... That is disingenious, Ben Jabo. Either something is illegal or it isn't. One thing can't be "more illegal" than another. And two wrongs don't make a right, either.

"In the future anytime you get involved between myself and a third party you will be ignored" !!!! Ben Jabo lays down the law!!! Don't be so absurd and pompous, Ben; this isn't the workplace. Deborah doesn't have to answer you, and anyone here can get involved with anyone else! If I want to defend Deborah and Ballistic, I'm going to do just that. All you have to do is....ignore!

First of all, I'm not sure what you mean by asking me about "love" for others...when have I ever professed love for anyone in my posts? So I am confused - please clarify. As for "my Pali murderers", that is simply an insulting phrase with no value or meaning that I can respond to. As for calling Palestinian land "stolen", you will known very well just how often and by how many people that land is referred to as "stolen". So I am certainly not putting forward any radical term for what happened to Palestinian land. I don't know of any "agenda" that you claim I have. I'm simply stating my opinion. It is terrible to know the conditions under which the Palestinians are living every single day. Tell me the truth - would you like to live the life of a Palestinian in the West Bank? With half a million Israeli "settlers" coming closer and closer to what little land you have left? I doubt it.

Sure they want their land back. They should have thought of that before they attacked Israel in 1948. Go to the casino, place a bet, lose, ask for your money back, they'll heave you out the door. Ballistic, you're a real busy body. Henceforth when you step into a dialogue between myself and another, you'll be justly ignore. Get it??

Deborah gave fake facts, was challenged to back them up and went into hiding. I called her for what she is. In the future, anytime you get involved between myself and a third party, you will be ignored. I don't have the time or inclination to answer all your gibberish. Ballistic, you're so obvious it's pathetic. She had nothing intelligent to say because she refuses to back up her fictions.

The attacks by the Egyptians & Syrians were far more illegal than the Occupation that resulted. Occupation is a defensive postion, unlike the attacks that were offensive.

I notice that in #418, Silvienen aka/"B", agrees with you. Of course she does, she too states fake sources and facts. Al Swain, I challenged you to supply facts, etc., to confirm your allegations. Thus far, you haven't had the courtesy or courage to reply. I'm starting to feel that you made up stuff out of the clear blue, just the same way Silvienne does. Here it is again, third time, being posted. I dare you, prove me wrong..."#319 Al Swain Name: * BEN JABO City: USA State: I`m amazed that you`re unaware that the NY Times is held in disrepute. Their reporters have been caught too many times faking stories. What was once a GREAT newspaper has turned far left, prostituted itself in the attempt to retrive readership. What`s the specific name of that alleged poll, really would like to check it out, if it exists. Everytime, without exception, one of you guys quote stats, percentages or anything related to number, when asked for the source or link, you get flumoxxed and retreat, never answering the question. NAME OF POLL, DATE, ETC. RSVP

Interesting story. Just one question, where in the heck did you obtain that 40% figure from? Just a source, link or something that backs it up. I'm exhausted from all fakers that keep quoting stats, percentage and sources that never materialize or never were there in the first place. You don't like people getting rich, of course not, you're incompetent and jealous of anyone that has more than you do. Just let us know where the 40% came from. "40% of US Billionaires are jewish"

"Israel is like a lazy 45 year old who refuses to get a job and lives off his parents, pathetic" Actually, it's even worse than that, because this 45 year old has very adequate means of its own, and yet still whines and demands our money as well....

Well, Andrew, you must be one of those multi-millionaires we've been hearing about...

Excellent post. I've been saying the same things, but let's not expect Israel's demands to stop anytime soon, or our government's weak agreement to them to stop, either....

As a very small country, in any place desaster struck, Israel is among the first there with medical experts, rescue units, field hospitals suplies.In Turkey,Armenia,Bosnia,Tzunamy.....in every desaster case you will find Israely involvment. But people with agenda like you , will never see the reality.You did not tell me about your "love" for others I asked. Or Is it only the Palis???? And Israel never stole any land which does not belong to her.Arabs have over a 1000 times as much land as Israel, so stop with your paroting stolen, stolen, stolen..It is borring.Minwile your Pali murderers latly showing more and more of who they are.

This makes me sick to my stomach. Israel gets more money than most continents. The US taxpayers are living on their credit cards. The US Healthcare system is broken. The US education system is broken. If I could only imagine the money went to the elderly poor Israelis or something positive besides buying up enough bunker buster and antipersonnel bombs to kill your neighbors in the upcoming months. I think the US money is supposed to be spent only on defense, what a joke. In 2005 Israel got more military money than Afganistan, which might explain our success there.

That the Lord for George W. Bush, may you and your family be blessed for supporting Israel. I AM GLAD MY TAX PAYER MONEY IS GOING TO A GREAT CAUSE. I HOPE THE U.S GOVERNMENT WILL STOP GIVING MONEY TO THE PALESTINIANS, I AM FED UP WITH U.S TAX PAYER MONEY GOING TO LOW LIFE TERROTISTS!!

When will Gods Chosen People be able to support themselves ?? Israel is like a lazy 45 year old who refuses to get a job and lives off his parents. Pathetic.

As an American who is struggling to keep going I agree with your post completely. As you say, end this financial aid to Israel. Israel is wealthy enough and doesn't need it, and we do. But Israel is never going to refuse it, either! Surprise, surprise!

"The Jewish people were chosen to bless the world, not rule it" But do you think that's possible, Virginia? They are certainly ruling the West Bank now and until recently Gaza too. And if so, how do you believe they will bless the world? Is this in the Bible?

That is my opinion exactly - the money could be used for better purposes rather than giving it to Israel - already a wealthy nation - and so doing makes America unpopular in the world.

Janice, every point you made in your post to Ben Jabo about the "morality" of Israel, and the illegal occupation, and returning to the pre-1967 borders, I have already made myself to him. However, all he did was call me names. Maybe you'll have better luck.

"I hope America did not make a payment to keep Israel out of Gaza" Don't worry Ben; as usual, American money went to Israel with no strings attached.

"Poor US taxpayer..." And getting poorer all the time......

....."alms for the poor", Israel says, just like in the Monty Python film. But Israel has a strong economy and is very wealthy, and even more, there are many American-Jews here who give private donations in the millions to Israel. Wouldn't you think that would be enough for any reasonable country? But no - Israel was asking for, what was it, 50 million more?? As you say, end the occupation and end the suffering of the Palestinians. Regards!

"How did you come to determine Israel's occupation of Palestine illegal"? Actually, it was not me who did that, DK. The International Court in the Hague has done that, and international law has done it. For an occupying power to build settlements and move its population onto the occupied land is also illegal according to international law. But I can't believe you needed me to tell you this and didn't already know it.

"Israel's neighbors are armed with better and better weaponry" The Palestinians certainly are not. They have stones, AK47s, and home-made Qassam rockets which Israelis themselves have said are unreliable.

"Name one Arab country that is more moral than Israel" The point is not that there is an Arab country more moral than Israel. The point is that as long as Israel continues its illegal occupation of Palestinian land, complete with settlements, military, oppression, etc., Israel has no justification for calling itself moral.

"USA gives aid to Israel not because they support Israel from the bottom of their hearts but because it is in the best interest of the USA to do this" I don't agree with you, Saimon...there is a presidential election next year and now the candidates are campaigning...almost all of them mention Israel repeatedly in their speeches; and Bush does often. Also, I don't think it's in America's best interests as you do; our support of Israel has made for very bad relations with the Arab world for us.

"According to you which is the most moral country in the Middle East" I really do not know the answer to that, but for sure I cannot believe it is Israel.

"First get it out of your noggin that the Occupation is illegal. It's quite just and correct". This being the case, then why has the occupation been declared illegal by the International Court in the Hague and also by international law? A poster here also mentioned that an Israeli court declared it illegal also, but you'd know best about that... When did I ever say that the Palestinians provide good examples of "brotherly love"? The fact that a people are treated badly does not make them any more noble.

I am 100% behind the money for Israel. It's one of our better expenditures. I understand the Israeli desire to not be obligated but as an American, I don't think of Israel as obligated. Seriously I think of Israel as not a part of America but everyone's land. It's my thinking that every nation on the planet should give to Israel.

With this post, #386, you've at last succeeded in shocking even me. To read your description of Palestinians: "they don't know how to work, create children willy nilly, shoot at each other all the time, use their kids and women for bombings" makes the reader understand how truly you must indeed hate the Palestinians. If a poster here had written a similar biased, prejudiced and hateful description of Israelis, how would you like it?

....as I've said before, the needs of our own country and people should come before Israel. What about New Orleans, not rebuilt since Katrina, what about the Twin Towers site, still a hole in the ground over five years later, what about the many various needs of our own population? Why is Israel put ahead of all this?

....it is much appreciated! If what you are actually trying to say is that I should hold fast to my own opinion, please rest assured that I intend to do so! As for the Washington Post, living in Connecticut, I have never read it. But perhaps I should as you recommend it so strongly. As for "being held accountable", if you are referring to posting, is anyone? Are you?

"All this love and care goes only as long as they can knock against Israel". You are quite wrong about that as regards myself, Tomy. I've been a supporter of Palestinian rights for many years, while living in England and America. This is because they are living in the most appalling conditions and have never seen any improvement. I can assure you that if it was Jordan or Eygpt or Saudi Arabia who was oppressing them and stealing their land, I would be just as strongly against those countries for it as I am against Israel.

....I don't mind disillusioning you a bit, but its the Palestinians who would like their land back, and that is surely a lawful and understandable position to take. If other Arab countries deny Israel's right to exist, does this matter? Obviously, Israel is here to stay, whether they like it or not. And in fact, as long as there is an America, there will be an Israel.

Why don't you discuss the issues instead of calling Deborah silly, childish names? So she has "nothing intelligent to say" because she does not agree with you??!!!

"I don't mind paying the israeli tax...Israel has a right to exist". Certainly Israel has a right to exist, and I for one have never once stated otherwise. So I agree with you on that point. But can't Israel pay for its own wars? You must be making a lot more money than I am, if you really don't mind paying for Israel.

"the support for Israel will wane". Making peace with its neighbors would be in Israel's very best interests. Even now, it might not be too late.

"the whole world is replying on Israel, learning from her..." Tomy, what on earth are you talking about? I can only hope that our own military refuses to learn any lesson from that of Israel...I expect the Palestinians would agree with me.

"The fairest, the most advanced, the most charitable, first to help in any emergency in the world, is the USA and Israel" The USA, absolutely...Americans are among the most benevolent people in the world. As a country and individually they hand out money to every cause. But...did you also say Israel...? What?? What does Israel give to anyone? Taking is their agenda...our money and Palestinian land.

So sorry to hear that the "likes of me" is boring, but if you reply to me I'll reply to you, of course. Again, I admire your total confidence in your position. You state (repeatedly) to me that every American government will continue their support for Israel. You state this with absolutely no hesitation. You may of course be correct; I wouldn't guess what politicians will do. However, I have a different opinion, and have every right as an American to say so. So that's that.

..when you said "Israel isn't getting any money". I wish you'd tell that to Bush then perhaps those billions just won't come your way this year....

....we should try using it to support the creation of an independent state for Palestinians, free of all Israeli control. As for Israel, as other posters have noted, it has a very strong economy. Let it pay for itself. Why should America be its constant paymaster?

....you've got it around the wrong way. Israel isn't fighting any wars for us, it's us who are paying for them to fight their own wars. In case you hadn't noticed, Hamas and Hezbollah are not likely to be attacking us any day soon. Al Quaida, yes, but are they in Israel?

....there have been several polls and opinion pieces in the papers which show quite clearly that not all Americans support our tax dollars propping up the artificial state of Israel. I don't understand why you'd deny this, or why it should even matter to you; you obviously don't mind what your taxes pay for.

As you say, our politicians who think they are acting on Americans citizens behalf in handing out our money to Israel are very much making us look bad, and generating hate for us in the Middle East.

....I don't believe any of this money is going to go back into the American economy at all. I can't imagine how you make that out. Economic aid Israel does not need, as you stated. Therefore, why can't it pay for its own military aid, which as you say we are giving it? And every faction which is anti-Israel is not automatically anti-American, either.

The only reason it "bothers me", as you said, is because it just doesn't seem very important. The issues are surely what we interested in discussing, not who is who and if not why not. But of course, your posts are your own business.

More than sad, it's a total waste of sending the UN most of the money they rely on to feed Palestinian refugees for the past 60 years. They don't know how to work, create children willy nilly, shoot at each other all the time, use their kids & women for homicide bombings, allow their leaders to steal most of the charity they receive from various sources. More than sad, another generation brought up to grub off the UN & America, the UN's main provider of cash. SAD INDEED!!

They work as one to force aid to the jewish state. Greenmail, blackmail, bribery,smearing all part of their MO to get more money for israel. Today another jew became a multu-billionaire at non-jewish Americans expense. Steve schwarzman. Also these people force the US to buy $10's of billions of israel goods.

Great point !

sad sending money to israel to support killings of arabs, when instead we americans could of used that money to better our nation. hmmmmmmm when will all the americans learn the truth of what goes on. wwwiamthewitnesscom

Your concerns are most touching. Since you're so involved, what have you done to ease the oppression of your Kurds?

GOD SAID TO ABRAHAM,I WILL BLESS THOSE THAT BLESS YOU AND CURSE THOSE THAT CURSE YOU.

Keep pressing your points aginst Israel and don't let facts or history get in your way. Keep reading the New York Times and the Washington Post, and don't stop now. And keep voting for the Democrat party. The best part is that they can't hold you accountable for anything you say since it's all based on thin air anyway. Keep you feet firmly planted in the air!!

All this "love and care" goes only as long as they can knock against Israel. As soon as Israel is out of the picture those will care for Palis as much as they care for Darfur were millions are reffuges,hundreds of thausands are butchered by Arabs, or care about massgraves under Sadam,or Syrian,Jordanian massacres against Homa and Palis,or Chinas oppression, or destruction of Chechnia and on, and on..... Their onesided bias is so obvious, it is screeming.The biggest haters of course the Arabs, again the reason for their "care" is only and only Israel. Real fony B.Sers

There were many foreign volunteers in Israel's armies, they came from the U.S., Canada & Europe. They've participated in all the wars. Christian's and their Clergy were among them. Check out a website "AMERICAN VETERANS OF ISRAEL", it't quite comprehensive. Also Machal 1948. American's, etc. didn't volunteer in the same manner that the lunatic Hihadi's do. NO bllod lust, no promise of 72 virgins, just wanting to help.

I hate to disillusion you, the neighbors are the ones that initiated the wars, commencing 5/15/48. Just check out "Wikipedia's TIMELINES ARAB ISRAEL CONFLICT", while you're at it GOOGLE "TIMELINES ISRAEL ARAB CONFLICTS", quite a few sources will give the sequences of event. It's not the simple matter of Israels wanting or making peace, it's the Arabs, who for the main part don't want Israel to exist.

You're truly a great prophetess. What will be, will be, what was, was. Now, do you have anything intelligent to say?

Israel is much like the left-leaning Spanish Repbulic of the mid 1930s, threatened by sundry fascist movements serving as proxies for the principal fascist nations of today -- in this case, fascist theocracies. What America *ought* to be doing, along with the EU and other civilised nations, is helping both Israel and themselves more fully, by completely disarming the fascist theocracies, which can be done fully from the air. And because this is of course likely to result in Israel's coming under attack more directly from the fascist theocrats' themselves, those of us who can should volunteer to assist in Israel, like the Liberty Brigades who faught Franco in the 1930s. I, though not Jewish, intend to be among them, assisting in a hospital or shelter. I very much hope there will be others, including some of the Arab Americans who believe in the liberal democratic project.

Ted, Don't talk like a fool! Israel has a right to defend herself against all enemies,real and perceived. If you were entirely surrounded by enemies, each one clamoring for your total annihilation, wouldn't you need a reliable friend, one upon whom you can depend for support? Well for your information that exaactly the situation Israel finds herself in. The United States will always be a trusted ally against the forces of evil. Israel is a target of the forces of evil, hence the U.S. must not, cannot, and it shall not relent in its support, so get used to it.

I don't mind paying the Israeli Tax to sustain Israel against the evil intentions of the Islamists to destroy her existence. Israel has a right to exist! Those islamic regimes that are against her existence better get used to having Israel around because she isn't going anywhere anytinme soon.

doctrines. As long as opposing/contradictory doctrines exsist, there will be no peace. Peace will come when we live as one.

...your naivety about America is astounding. America will abandon Israel as soon as they decide that the negative results of supporting Israel outweigh their gains. America has true loyalty for America and nowhere else.

There is a movement slowly gaining momentum. The support for Israel will wane. Make peace with your neighbors. You have much to lose.

Only one other poster in my memory has written so much, saying so little. I'm going to swear you're are the same. Your force of habit is a dead giveaway. I didn't need Kath or anyone else to detect you. Junkies are junkies, it's easy to tell when they're high on their own junk. Try discussing ACTUAL facts for a change, not your fantasies of what was and is.

New York Times. June 19, 2007. Mandatory reading for everybody.

the cold war. Israel was the only country in the world that time to asure the oil flow to the free world. Communists were trying hard to take over, Israel was the only obsticle for them And now, the whole world is relying on Israel,learning from her, to fight Arab/Moslem terror. A huge danger to the world. And all the contributions to the worlds vellbeing... It it mindbugling from such a small country.

reality the way Pssd does. The last time I heard so much lies when the communist politbureau give their oppinions.But you, Anarchists are out of style for now. To answer every lie would take too long. But in nutshell, I lived in many countries, and the only thing I can tell you, the fairest, the most advanced,the most charitable,first to help in any emmergencies in the world, It is USA and Israel.The lights to the nation. Envy,alterios motives,sometimes, darkens your vision.

Hey Silvienne You cannot wait for the end of President Bush' tenure.But whichever party wins the next elections they will always remain faithful to Israel and continue their support,whether financially or otherwise.They need each other. Your illusionary end game is just that.An illusion.The U.S.A will never abandon Israel irrespective which party wins,they need Israel ever more.Enough on this subject as it is getting a bit boring,especially from the likes of you......

Make my day. I'm eagerly awaiting the information I requested. After all you made the charge, now's the time to prove it....."#319 Al Swain Name: * BEN JABO City: USA State: I`m amazed that you`re unaware that the NY Times is held in disrepute. Their reporters have been caught too many times faking stories. What was once a GREAT newspaper has turned far left, prostituted itself in the attempt to retrive readership. What`s the specific name of that alleged poll, really would like to check it out, if it exists. Everytime, without exception, one of you guys quote stats, percentages or anything related to number, when asked for the source or link, you get flumoxxed and retreat, never answering the question. NAME OF POLL, DATE, ETC. RSVP

It is not through weapons that we have peace. It is through diplomatic means that we achieve stability in the region and through positive communication betwee Israel and the Arab countries.

Did not want to respond,but you asked for it. Hey Hannah my predictions are not tedious and I am right. However,if this cabal as you put it,can come to pass, its consequences would be catastrophic for the whole region. If and when Israel, or the U.S decide to embark on this venture it will have to be achieved with caution. That you say so much for lemmings running into the sea:Yes,quite correct. It is an unimaginable scenario,not only will Iran disappear,but the whole region will end into a large dust bowl. Intelligent people have a clear idea and know it. It will try to achieve it with caution and manage to carry it out without destroying the whole of the Middle East. We?ll see what transpires. If Israel decides to attack Iran and manages to carry out an attack it can,but will be extremely careful before embarking on it.Never underestimate the Iranian regime,and it would effect the whole world as a consequence.So,even you in Canada have to ponder on this subject,for you will not be immune.

When are idiots like Olmert and Bush going to realise that all the weapons in the world won't make a difference in a year or so from now? Once nukes enter the equation the whole Middle East could become a desolate wasteland in seconds. Maybe the whole world. Peace is the only way forwards. If the last few years still haven't taught Bush and Olmert that they can't win through war, we're all doomed.

Silvienne And I'll go mine how is that for accommodation Am I the FBI,now,there's a question!If I were do you think I'd announce it here for your edification?Certainlly NOT.All very hush,hush! If I inform people here it is necessary and should be noticed because some people are being led astray,especially some of dear ones. And why does it bother you?Or is it because it does not suit you agenda? Nuff said about it.The fact you noticed it and made a point of it shows it bothers you.Why?I am well aware for its reasons. END

Maureen It is a bit addictive coming here,and you just couldn't keep away.Don't blame you in the slightest. Now be a good gal and I'll send you a nice smile in return. o(~_*)o

Hi Jeff We both have something in common,I also have American Citizenship,so we are equal.(Labhras). Not quite Labhras.Jeff was born there and is a real American.What is more he is a real patriot unlike yourself.Great difference. YOU? perhaps follow David Duke? or like minded types of Americans. Botom line,no comparison!

God promised that whoever blesses Israel, He would bless them. So I agree with blessing Israel.

there is nothing to prove but you will be seeing the truth very soon--

US always supported Islamic regimes (it still does support the religious AK PArty in Turkey). The reason US supported Islamic regimes is that first: they are very easily corruptable second: they are always against the left wing, therefore the country would be open to exploitation by the US companies third: the religious states put the ignorant nations to sleep and make them accept everything as their 'fate'. Then the whole plan entered their arse in september 11. Now still, Americans are illogical enough to support the Turkish islamists hoping that the result will be "moderate islam", there is no such thing. Israel ? Well Israel is happy with any instability that gives rise to the weakening to any country apart from America in the world.

YOUR PROFOUND DISGRUNTLEMENT WITH THE USA SHOULD CAUSE YOU TO GET OUT !!

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Diplomany is the art of looking after your own interests. 1. Israel is the united states permenant aircraft carrier 2.All the military aid keeps Americans in work for years. 3.US acts in its own interests and nothing else Nothing in this world is given free

"In a recent New York Times scientific poll 72% of Americans stated they no longer want to send their hard earned tax dollars to israel." Sure pal... That is just a flat out lie. In every single reputable pol taken, financial support for Israeli defense is approved by a large majority of Americans and that number has been steadily increasing over the years. "... American taxpayers send $23.000.00 a year for each Jewish Israeli. Non Jewish Israelis don't see a cent..." What planet do you live on? The number in fact comes to less than $500.00 a year for each Jewish Israeli. Please allow me to do the math for you. You are only off by well -$22,500, which is a lot, and all Israelis benefit not just Jewish Israelis. Counting all Israelis, the actual amount per person is less than $350.00. A very economical way for the US to support the defense of an important friend and ally, especially compared to the $100's of billions annually we spend in support of the Arab countries.

I'm not a Jew (yet) or a Christian (never will be), I'm simply a proud American. I want you all to know that despite what these people may say on this talk-back forum, they do not represent America. They seek her destruction (along with the destruction of Israel - G-d forbid). America stands behind Israel always, and will continue to do so even if it means walking towards our own destruction. Most Americans see Israel as a brother and not simply a partner in an ideological war. We see you as being in a situation that is at the very least existential. And what, in such a situation, would a brother do to help? To the people of Israel and for that matter --all Jews: You have been beset by enemies since the beginning. You have suffered immeasurable adversity and despite this you survive strong and proud to this day. No more should you have to suffer the pain and hardships you've known in the past. Above everything, you have an ally to the death in me. Fight for what's yours. Shalom

Stop fooling yourselves; the US doesn?t do deals, which aren?t in her best interest First of all Israel isn?t getting money, The Money stays in the US, Which means Israel is obligated to perches armaments of the US, That means work for people in the US how assemble armaments, If Israel has to get 30 air plans, and she can get 10 by aid, she still has to buy 20 US by this says to Israel look here is a fare deal buy a packet of 30 get 10 on the house If Israel can get a fare deal, the US knows that Israel won?t go and develop that same weapon, That means US has less competition in the industry, Armaments used by the Israeli army are brand by all armies as the best an army can have, which means more customers to the US industry. The US has a lot to gain from this more then the average person thinks. This deal is better for the US than for Israel ? but that is another story!

Great post. Not all are snookered by the BS! High regards.

What a nice thing to post. Regards.

toward the Israel Defense Fund, it's equal to a full tank of gas in my SUV, or 3 cases of beer, Israel is one of Americas allies fighting on the front between Democratic and Islamic fundamentalist battles,if the Palestinians get in the way,SO WHAT, choose sides now,but we like our freeedom of speech,and being able to see our Pretty Woman without a scarf,satellite tv,a better education,being able to go to grocery store and having every imaginable food available,no shortages of electricity,gas,running water always,or choose the Islamic Fundamentalist,live like the Taliban,or a better life with Hamas,Hezbollah,or Al-Quaida back in the stone ages.

T"he alternative is a war that Israel can`t win, and they will be forced to the negotiating table, with worse terms than they have now." Bernie, Do not be too sure of what you believe. The arabs believed they could destroy Israel in the past wars with Israel but they failed miserably. So I wouldn't bet all my money on the arabs if I will you. You might just lose your stake!!! Regards

I say aye but on condition that Israel use it for defence only!!!!!

I'm amazed that you're unaware that the NY Times is held in disrepute. Their reporters have been caught too many times faking stories. What was once a GREAT newspaper has turned far left, prostituted itself in the attempt to retrive readership. What's the specific name of that alleged poll, really would like to check it out, if it exists. Everytime, without exception, one of you guys quote stats, percentages or anything related to number, when asked for the source or link, you get flumoxxed and retreat, never answering the question. NAME OF POLL, DATE, ETC. RSVP

And it's a no brainer we're in the same boat in the Long War against the evil forces dreaming that this time they'll succeed in taking over the world after failing twice in the past. The Arab regimes have proved that the only thing they can be relied upon is that they can never be relied upon. Israel, OTOH, shares the same ideals we do, and we also share the same enemies. So, please keep paying your taxes well, we need all the help we could get.

Most of this money is going to go back into the American economy. So stop complaining that this money is just going to stay in Israel. Also, this is not economic aid, which Israel does not even need due to its great strides in many fields which lead to its good economic status. However this is military aid which Israel needs to protect itself from radical Islamic leaders, groups, and regimes which are not only anti-Israel, but are also Anti-American.

Off course,those weapons are useless against a culture of death. Death means martrydom to this people and they are brainwashed to believe that they will be rewarded with virgins in heavan. How pathetic!!!

POA, while i do NOT condemn all americans as they have no control over their government once elected, I do condemn the politicians that think they are acting on the citizens behalf, this is dangerous as it makes all americans look bad and therefore targeted, I make my decision on the individual regardless of race, religion or creed. you do have a right to be pssd off, it's your hard earned cash that not being re-invested in you and your country, not only is america doing it but australia too,i feel the pain.

FB:"You are helping the only democracy in the Middle East defend itself against fanatic regimes which are set to destroy the Jewish state.", you mean against something YOU have created, please spare us.

Interesting to see how much you seem to regard our money as your money. Typical of ungrateful and greedy Israel. Greedy for our money, for Palestinian land....

Thank god Bush only has another year and a half. Not but what he can't do even more damage in that time....however, his handing over of our taxpayers money to support the artificial state of Israel and its constant wars is one of his worst actions.

KUTW, your favourite word is "jihadists"! You are so often accusing people here of being in league with jihadists, being supporters of Hamas, of Hezbollah, and who-else-knows-what... You don't seem to understand that a great many Americans just don't consider Israel and America as "allies and partners". They wish Israel didn't have so much of our money.

"Ever seen what an aerial bomb does to a building and the people inside?" Just so, and don't forget those hellfire missiles that Israelis flying fighter planes use in their extra-judicial executions of Palestinians that they think belong to Hamas....and anyone else who looks like the person they think belongs to Hamas, and anyone else in the car, walking down the street, standing by...just has the bad luck to be nearby...

"Israel has never asked others to fight its battles" As we write, Rose, Israel is and has been desperately trying as hard as it knows how to incite America to attack Iran, because Iran hates Israel. Israel would like it to be us to do the attacking because we will then receive the retaliation. Naturally.

First you were complaining that Haaretz wouldn't post what you wrote, now you are posting all these investigative reports on "who's who"! What does it matter, Kath? Let's just discuss the issues!

"Its our tax dollars that allows the IDF to function". Yes, to our great discredit. We are subsidising the murder of innocent Palestinians by the IDF and we can't do anything to stop it.

....what's with all these posts tracking and researching all these posters? What on earth does it matter what name they post under or even who they are?

yes youre right... israel and the us are the best of friends... simply because you have no other friends, or simply lost those you guys had.

The only Americans not concerned about the monstrous amount of money sent to Israel must surely be those Americans who do not pay taxes!

people in glass house do not throw stones

Yes, and can you believe, the Israelis asked for even more of our money?! Their greed is incredible. It is only matched by our president's stupidity. Israel laughs at us and mocks us all the way to the bank to cash our checks, and they think we don't know it.

"In a recent New York Times poll 72% of Americans stated they no longer want to send their hard earned tax dollars to Israel". I live forty miles from New York in Connecticut, and, from all I've read and heard, your statement above is certainly correct. As you say, let Israel pay for its own military adventures. It can certainly afford it while we have our own priorities at home.

Please send proof via a internet link with your claim that: "More distortions of the truth. In a recent New York Times scientific poll 72% of Americans stated they no longer want to send their hard earned tax dollars to israel." Otherwise, your posting is just another typical example of how Anti-Israel/Anti-Semitic posters on this site will say anything they can think of to prove thier factless, baseless points. Come, on...prove me wrong....I bet you can't!!

"The relationship between Israel and USA is one of mutual support" Perhaps you'd explain how Israel is of any use to America. Actually America's constant support of Israel is a hindrance to good relations with the Arab world for America. It would be more correct to say that israel is America's number one client state. As for your saying that Israel "deserves all the military aid it can get from America"....well, please, just carry on helping yourselves to our tax dollars. After all, what do we need them for?

by giving it to the Palestinians then the US can do the right thing by supporting Israel!

The relationship between Israel and USA is one of mutual support. As the US staunchest ally, Israel deserves all the military aid it can get. What's the problem. Wait, I need to go and spend time with my intern...

More distortions of the truth. In a recent New York Times scientific poll 72% of Americans stated they no longer want to send their hard earned tax dollars to israel. The israeli jews are very wealthy and they can afford to pay for their own military adventures.

The israelis are very wealthy because they have played Uncle Sam for Uncle Sap. The israelis cry poverty but they control hundreds of billions of dollars. Hard working American taxpayers send the israelis USD$23,000 a year for each jewish israeli. Not one cent of that money ever reaches a non-jew. The israelis lavish themselves with luxury hi-rise apartments and villas and expensive clothing and jewlery. The non-jewish part of the population is left to starve. As an American taxpayer I cannot stand to see my hard earned tax dollars be wasted on these lazy good for nothing people who see our tax money is an entitlement. The israelis NOW want Americans to work longer hours so they can receive MORE FREE TAXPAYER MONEY.

You speak as a welfare recipient, surely.

Excellent post, pssd...do keep on posting. Regards.

smile ;)

I believe that your tediously recorded facts are probably right...it seems par for this particular course. D'ya know what? If this evil little cabal does strike Iran, it is the end of the zionist experiment. Much will survive, but so-called Israel will not. So much for lemmings running to the sea.

I just love your grasp of world economics. Brilliant!! LOL!!!

This is just meant to appease Israel, so that the deal to sell smart bombs to Saudi Arabia could go smoothly.

anti missile defense systems, works for me!!

Who is to blame that taxes cannot be spent on life's enjoyment rather than life's ruin? Who is exempt from fault? Who is trying to turn this around? What have YOU done? Promote peace, or encourage the fight?

The founding of both nations is tainted by the dismemberment and displacement of indigenous people. The political processes of both are corrupted by a powerful military-industrial complex. Both are disproportionately influenced by the fervently religious. Both have a legacy of racism and discrimination. Both have recently launched aggressive wars. Both are currently mesmerized by a "clash of civilizations" narrative of global events. Both are committed to torture, assasination, and governmental overthrow as instruments of policy. Both are confused as to why dropping bombs on civilians does not further their political ends. Both eager to test new military technologies on civilian populations. Both using military occupation to further their ambitions. Both working to suppress and subvert modernization and democracy in the Arab world. The mainstream media of both restrict the parameters of foreign policy debate. I could go on...

Post #272 says, "No need to blame others for your mistakes, just look inside. This is the main problem with the Muslim world, they never find fault in themselves and always blame someone else like Israel, etc." The same is true for Israel, the United States and virtually every other country. Most people and societies "blame others" for their own mistakes. It is inconceivable that the writer (post #272) comes from New York City and truly believes that it is the Muslims who always blame others for their mistakes and never find fault in themselves. Just look around and listen to your friends.

Can't do anything honest. I wish him well in his business endeavors. Three months a bankruptcy.

Israel might need the extra 50M to trigger a war before it's too late. "World oil demand is rising twice as fast as a year ago, straining the petroleum industry's ability to keep up with global needs and likely resulting in higher and more-volatile prices for some time to come." (source: WSJ)

Writing under all those aliases. Yeah, I've been tipped off. No matter how much cologne you splash on a skunk, it's still foul smelling beast. Just proves how honest you are NOT!!

I just knew something was fishy. I told him off in a post today. Hope Ha'Aretz censors let it through. Thanks, I've saved your info in my sh-t file, contains stuff on just about all the bashers.

Howdy Tess; The U.S. Congress decides who is or is not in violation of human-rights standards and not the biased, skewed, and narrow-minded opinions of "the World Court, along with data from Amnesty, HRW, and B`Tselem" which all seem to ignore the human-rights abuses of everybody except Israel. Civilians die in wars; that is an unavoidable fact. In order to show that a war crime has been committed, you will have to show that "protected persons" were deliberately targeted by the hostile force otherwise it is "regretable collateral damage" during a period of armed conflict. Actually, Israel has consistently maintained a civilian-to-combatant kill ratio of about 1-1 in the Palestinian Territories which is an excellent record since the usual ratio during a period of armed conflict is closer to 3-1. If anything, Israel should be commended and not condemned for that.

For allto read. IAF,USAF dramatically uprade cooperation status. The Israeli Air Force has significantly upgraded the level of its cooperation with the United States Air Force and now receives updates on American procurement decisions. An agreement on the cooperation reached at meetings last month between head of IAF Procurement and Equipment Brig-gen.Dr.Kobi Bortman and senior USAF officers in Washington and Dayton,Ohio. Can the IAF take out Iran's nukes?Bortman,an expert,on aircraft structural engeneering with a doctorate from George Washington University in St.Louis,gave the IAF's Entrprise Resources Planing system.The system serves as a single database for both manpower and inventory lists and enables cost-effective maintenance of supplies and other resources. "We are interested in many of the same platforms and systems,and the Americans look at us as a small-scale laboratory of themselves"a high-ranking IAF officer told JPOst."Now every time the USAF signs a contract and purchases something new,they will update us?. This updates will only be given to Israel,the officer said,when America purchases a system or platform related to the IAF. And there?s more of it,for the cynical lot of you who thinks the ties between the U.S and Israel is tenuous and not a reciprocal in every field particularly this latest endeavour can think again?

Kathy, I am at a disadvantage because I don't recall ever dealing with Clickfool (under that name) and not being familiar with his style. But I noticed he is from Sussex, the same as Star of David - my double. So you might very well be correct. I will pay more attention. Thanks.

Jeff hello Noe Labhras has admitted of having American citizenship(which I knew)I will not say more,bar to remind him that obviously he holds a dual citizenship and thus both passports.So,he should just keep his mouth shut when he mentions the Israelis who have the same privilege. He seems to think one rule for him(the Irish)and another for Israelis.I rest my case....

is using those weppons against civilians???? Do you read about Arab and Iranian intentions toward Israel??? Just wondering. Try to be a little realistic,do not let your opinions be tainted by prejudice,otherwise you make yourself irrelevante.

IAF,USAF dramatically uprade cooperation status. The Israeli Air Force has significantly upgraded the level of its cooperation with the United States Air Force and now receives updates on American procurement decisions. An agreement on the cooperation reached at meetings last month between head of IAF Procurement and Equipment Brig-gen.Dr.Kobi Bortman and senior USAF officers in Washington and Dayton,Ohio. Can the IAF take out Iran's nukes?Bortman,an expert,on aircraft structural engeneering with a doctorate from George Washington University in St.Louis,gave the IAF's Entrprise Resources Planing system.The system serves as a single database for both manpower and inventory lists and enables cost-effective maintenance of supplies and other resources. "We are interested in many of the same platforms and systems,and the Americans look at us as a small-scale laboratory of themselves"a high-ranking IAF officer told JPOst."Now every time the USAF signs a contract and purchases something new,they will update us?. This updates will only be given to Israel,the officer said,when America purchases a system or platform related to the IAF. And there?s more of it,for the cynical lot of you who thinks the ties between the U.S and Israel is tenuous and not a reciprocal in every field particularly this latest endeavour can think again?

Idealogicly. This two countries are the only democracies not tainted by a very ugly past,Unlike Europe.They are both progressive,inovative, multicultured and not held back by their past.Both can show huge achivments in relativly short time.Both are willing to face adversity and have the persistance to overcame. Both have the most nobel ideas for the world.Real lights to the nations.Proud to be a part of both. Al the ratlings on this talkback is a plain idiocy.

It's $10, not $100. Can't you do arithmetic? And 75% goes to US companies.

But your problem is. Increasing numbers of Americans are seeing through AIPACS propaganda and are asking if blind support of Israel is worth it. Then there are the five Israelis running around Brooklyn with multiple passports and thousands in American tax dollars stuffed in socks. They are getting close despite the Fox news report which was declared a state secret. Look up the Sunday Herald report you would be amazed and I will be branded an anti semetic I'll be another Steve Bull after this

If the USA wanted to destroy the middle east she would have done so already. What alot of you fail to understand is we have the means to blow an entire country off the map in about 3.2 seconds if need be... We just choose not to... Because of the UN and their human rights watch.

Is it real or is is Memorex but in reality who cares. I believe that Genuine Tosefta is the real article and the other one the impostor. So if the impostor disappears as did Benny Hill Gurion than problem solved. Was that not easy? Whoever you are stop with those ridiculous bulletins. They are annoying.

We do!!!

Those inventions Cipora speaks of didn't help the IDF in Lebanon, and from what is being reported, whatever she is talking about is not much help for our soldiers in Iraq either. Some folks never learn. Regards.

An attack on the Aswan Dam, by the way, would be more damaging to Israel than a Nuke attack. That would be Israel intentionally attacking and killing civilians, and this time they could not say that 'Hezbollah was hiding behind the Dam.' No, the next war will be rather simple. It will be like having mosquitoes in your bedroom. Just constant, random, infrequent rocket attacks designed to force Israel to attack its enemies on their ground. Israel will be forced to continue invading and occupying countries, and will bleed economically until it loses the fight. And if it attacks Damascus or Syria or Cairo or Amman or Riyadh ... well that will just make it harder for Israel to back out of the losing fight.

You wrote, "The US is Israel,s only friend". Ever asked your self why, if your cause is so right you have no other benefactors. The assumption must be that your cause is not credible. Regards.

are a tad askew, mate. It is like Bill O'Reilly's polls responded to by his "premium" members and only them. I have forgotten the term used for "premium" in this latest Israel pole, but the point was the same. They don't bother to ask plain ole americans what they think. Given Katrina, the pollsters are afraid to ask. Regards.

The tax is much higher if you consider the wars the the US is executing for Israel and its lobby. I guess that Olmert also fixed date for the attack on Iran - more taxes and more death.

The "D" in IDF stands for defense. If the people of the PA and other [not all] Arab countries were smart, they would stop the threats to destroy Israel and the constant attacks of various kinds and make Israel prove it stands for defense. Israel is NOT out to dominate the world, they are helping to defend against those who are. There is nothing "weird" about a Christian who seeks GOD'S reign as opposed to mans. None of us are here to rule over the other, period. It's just that some have to learn the hard way, because they either refuse to listen or have been deceived.

When Germans wer bombing London Churchill did not say (Our best defense is Love), he put his military power and the mighty AF to wrk and he also asked USA to supply it. He laso asked USA to join but unfortunately Roozevelt waited until 2000 died in Pearl Harbor. 5 Million Jews living in tiny Israel surrounded by many hostile countries where Iran is trying to acquire nukes, You are not serious that only love will protect Israel from them.

You may bless eachother.

Natalie you ask how much 'Isdef Tax' is per a paycheck and total? ANSWER a LOT LOT less than the "Arab Tax" we pay - US money to Pals-Abbas,Fattah, UN for Atab 'refugees' 70 years later; Egypt; Lebanon; Jordan ; Iraq... Then there is the money to 9/11 families and the costs of rebuilding NYC from 9/11, plus Guantanimo. So Natalie you see Isreal is cheap- is a real bargain. Now you know.

they can double my contribution.

G-D bless america

Nothing unujual hapened. Israel and USA are best friends,thrue thick and thin. And nothing will change that. Of course The anti croud is kicking and screeming, as they did thruout the history whenever they had a chance to go against the Jew.Because everybody who has two eays can see what the Israels neighbours intention toward her, they do not make a secret out of it,but old habits die hard.

Hi Michael, You recall Bush SNR and his sec of State James Baker, who told Israel "Here is my Number, when you are ready for peace call me ' Dubya Snr lost the next election.Lesson is, do not mess with the israeli lobby. Regards

Well, I am honestly not surprised by this announcement. One congressman has tallied the administrations violations of US laws near 27. This is one more to add to the pile. It is against US law to provide aid, especially military aid, to nations in violation of international human right standards. The recent rulings by the World Court, along with data from Amnesty, HRW, and B'Tselem should be adequate to see that giving Israel further support violates US laws. But, honestly, this has not bothered any Administration in a long while, Democrat or Republican. But, if US weapons continue to be used on Arab civilians, it will no doubt come to court here, given the rising affluence of the Arab communities in the US. That is when you will see an end to these aid packages, or the US will be exposed as hypocrits.

In addition to inelegant, your post is unfair because Israel and the US are allies and partners. They do business together which benefit both countries. Are you a hamas and co. supporter? If that is so, you should thank me and all the other Europeans, who have been financing the pal jihadists for many years?

Hi Jeff you and I have one thing in common, I also have American Citizenship.So we are equal.?????. Difference is I use mine to advance the American idea. Rgatrds

Quiet the opposite is true. Neither Isral nor USA wants destabilize teh ME. Especially for a small state like Israel theh only way to thrive is a stable peaceful ME. As far aas Turkey - it was the short sighted politicians from both AKP and CHP who voted against teh March 1 bill (Tezkere) which would allow Turkish troops to control north Iraq - that is causing al the dificulties. No need to blame others for your mistakes, just look inside. This is the main problem with the Moslem world, they never find fault in themselves and always blame someone else like Israel, USA or the western world and yet while the west goes ahead the moslem world is in chaos.

Gosh I hope for the sake of America , that they dont get too many of those type of Relationships. BTW , The norm as I understand it,is to loan the money. But who can blame Israel. They can get the Americans to continue funding their brutal Apartheid program in the occupied territories. Murphy and support for Israel is ?????.

"Cipora & all Israel, You are SO welcome!To God be the Glory! Praise God for unity, in light of sanctification. "Our God is an AWESOME God, He reigns!!! From Heaven above, with wisdom, power and LOVE!!!" Do you know that song? One we can sing together. Hallelu Yah!!! Shalom." So you're celebrating the sending of 2.5 billion dollars worth of bombs, rockets and shells to tear, main and destroy human flesh, are you? You're going to sing hymns while people die are you? Can't remember Jesus ever piloting an F16. "So the money is not to "kill" anyone. It is for defense to bring about a change. Our best defense is Love" Why the inverted commas? Ever seen what an aerial bomb does to a building and the people inside? It certainly "changes" them, and it doesn't just "kill" them, it blows great holes through them.

money well spent and a far better return than from pouring it into Islamist infested toilets.Israel has NEVER asked others to fight her battles, let alone refusing to fight at all.

*BEN JUST A QUICKY.HAARETZ IS BEING MEAN AND THUS WHAT I POSTED TO YOU ALL AS INFORMATION WAS NOT PUT OUT.I AM DETERMINED ONCE AND FOR ALL FOR THIS TO REACH YOU SOMEHOW. "DON'T FORGET STUFF"(CLICKFOOL) "EMPATHY" (CLICKFOOL) "JEBADIAH SPRINGFIELD" (CLICKFOOL) "DON CAMILIO" (CLICKFOOL) Lastly now he has business to attend and flew the forum.Of course,he has to spend sometime with his wifey and son.Hey! where is harzion? he would agree with me.Anyhow,respond,and challenge this pseudo DON(my ass)nevertheless. And do not let him get away with it.Clickfool did read my deduction and instead of denying,NOT A DICKY BIRD FROM HIM.Which goes to show..... P/S Haaretz this is for 220 *BEN JABO

Bernie, Israel does not need to nuke Egypt-a few bombs to the Aswan Dam and Egyptfloods to Med Sea result: massive death destruction of 90% of that counry/people.All the 23 Arab nations total GDP is -1/2 of Israel.Ever wonder why US uses israel electonics and weapons?Further,think - nuking Israel will destroy nearby Arab nations too.. .gather that is ok as long as Israel destroyed. Says much about your ilk. The Saudi royal house will not rule much longer. The Saudis need peace with israel to stay alive.

I believe you owe a BIG thanks to the U.S, Its our tax dollars thats allowing the IDF to function.

I bet you don't mind the US has spent billions of dollars to save from and prop up the Muslim Albanians in the Balkans. To top it off, the USA Army and Air Force was used to bomb Christian Serbs over there as well. It was your taxes too...

Tosefta hello Earlier,about an hour ago,I sent you all my brothers/sisters an announcement you about an interesting phenomenon that has been happening of late.I will now go on before I retire to have my nourishment. So Tosefta here goes,in hopes that Haaretz puts it out. There is an impostor here by several diguizes and they are all one and the same. 1-"Don't forget Stuff"(Clickfool), 2-"Empathy" (Clickfool) 3-"Jebediah Springfield"(Clickfool)BUT!you Tosefta,who has an incisive mind did question this odd name of Jebadiah.But still responded to him.No mater. 4-"Don Camilio" is the latest:(Clickfool). Tosefta,I am well aware of what I am talking about,and irrespective of who it may be,it behoves all of you to respond and challenge this person.This Jebediah responded to me briefly last week and quotted Blair. There's a thing,Blair was not mentioned in the said article,and thus another nail in the coffin for Clickfool.

Muhammud al-Swain, Thank you for speaking out. It is indeed shameful beyond words that US tax payers are propping up Israel's military they should be paying for their own evil weapons of war. And imagine people like Kath and Cipora are thanking US tax payers? How short sighted. They remind me of the spectators in the Rome Colosseum cheering on the Lions. Why can't they see brutalizing one's neighbors and bulldozing their way onto their land is a receipe for disaster not success? I can't see any future for those people in the ME anymore. It's just not going to happen stockpiling weapons. Dutch

them of your post is that the Zionists need to get a BIGGER beggin cup!!! They indeed have perfected beggin to an art, yup, they have. Beggars are never respected, no matter how the money is spent. Next time around, take a BIGGER beggin cup. If you are a beggar, no need to be bashful about demanding more. The amount does not matter, but a beggar is never respected. Regards.

FUNNY IS IT NOT,WHEN IT COMES TO KILLING THERE IS NO SHORTAGE OF MONEY.BUT WHEN IT COMES TO SAVING LIVES THERE IS NO MONEY.

BTW British fighting spirit no doubt help save my future life. Please do not try to imply that Britain or any other country went to war against Nazi Germany so that they could save Jews.That was the pro Nazi propoganda at the time and has been repeated here.

Your running monologue has more than a touch of verbal diarreah.

And there will be justice when Doris moves her arse out of occupied Natick, the sacred land of American Indians.

American support for Israel is galvanised and nurtured by AIPAC and the highly biased Fox News. "Your posts don`t reflect the views of most Americans" an neither are they intended to - I speak only for myself, not for the deluded idiots who voted for Dubbya. Actually the traditional support for Israelin the US is eroding - google 'Tikkun'. And unless the Pew Research Center asked every single American, it cannot statistically claim to represent the clear views of all Americans, many of whom are disgusted at IDF actions and those of the settlers in the OPT. Horseshit? Well, the American Christian Peacemaker Teams do honourable work in the OPT -folks from the US - goggle them to see what they do to protect innocent children in these parts. I will now check out this Pew Research Center.

How could any American be 'proud'? Hang your heads in shame for all that you have done! You, each and everyone of you, will not be forgiven in a hurry. There is blood all over your electoral hands.

Hello, Tony, I like the "'little executions' department" characterisation. Where you are mistaken, I believe, is thinking that he cares about this being noticed. He is a firm believer in relativistic morality, revolutionary justice, and cultural equality. He believes that Jews should be held to a higher standard than all others, and has appointed himself as the one to expound to us all just what those Jewish standards are and ought to be. I seriously doubt that he ever shared the burden of defending Israel. Yet, he is one of those, mercifully few, who thinks that his ideas will save the world from the corrupt, the ignorant, the stupid and the unfortunate. He does not fear being exposed since such fear of being exposed could stem only from a sense of shame, but shame is one emotion that he has not.

the country that has invited members of the Palestinian House Of Representatives for unexpected overnight stays, children for long periods in cells without trial, and barghouti who was especially invited over with escort, and vanunu who is still a 'house guest' Yes, Ben jabo safe over there in the Us of A, good old Dubbya territory.......... the answer is Israel. Bu it is not at war with Palestine so you can;t call Palestinians enemy aliens.

...What does Israel do for its money, apart from guarantee the US will never be popular with Muslims?... There you have inadvertently have touched off on the key to the whole problem. Nothing & no one is not only popular but a hated enemy as long as Israel is guaranteeing it with her existance & location. Fix that & you will solve the ME mistery. Good luck.

Mrs. Arafat has the millions upon millions that her husband stole for himself instead of his people that was given to him by the American tax payer. I think you Arabs need to change some of that selective memory or yours. Imagine that...money to a known pedophile...yes Arafat...

... account for your being in the US. The US supports Israel principally because Israel is a functioning liberal democracy, not only majority ruled but guaranteeing basic rights to its citizens, including the right not to worship in any particular way dictated by the state. It is the only such state in the middle east. The fact that there are no other such states in the middle east doubtless accounts for your presence in the US -- you doubtless emigrated there, or your parents or grandparents did -- both because it offered a safe haven from the backward regimes from whence they escaped, and because, in its munificence and generosity, it welcomed you as fully as it supports Israel. You should feel gratitude to America and kinship with Israel.

Every "Genuine Tosefta" post is by a fake, aka Star of David. I only use the name Tosefta. There were a couple of times were somebody faked this signature as well, but so far it was manageable. Why the fellow "Genuine Tosefta" does not publish under his own moniker? My assumption is that nobody pays attention to him; he is a rightwinger and we have those in abundance. The Fake needs some attention. Pity.

You wrote of Israel's "fervid rush to suppress democracy and truth in the Arab Middle East." Interesting, though, that the non-partisan Freedom House (freedomhouse.org) ranks press freedom in Israel as number one in the Middle East (strange way for a country to suppress truth -- by having the greatest press freedom in the region). Only Israel achieved the designation "free" press in this ranking; the number two country, Kuwait, was ranked "partly free. Moreover, the Economist Intelligence Unit, as reported by the BBC on 18 November 2005, ranked Israel as the country with the most political freedom in the Middle East (again, interesting way to suppress democracy -- by having the most political freedom in the region). I suppose that you, Hannah, could argue that your posts here are more objective and fair than rankings by organizations known for their rigorous research methodologies, but no rational person will believe you.

Oh, Chanah: please do your very best to see behind the scenes of that which seems apparent. You have a computer; why not use it? Do some research into more neutral areas other than the rah-rah cheerleader sites of so-called Israel. What is the common denominator of agreement between USofA/IL? Who is running the show(s) here? Where and how did this entire zionist preoccupation occur? Who, then, did it serve? Who, now, does it serve? And many more questions. Do try to look behind the shadows for no other reason than to see how you, personally, have been deceived.

The first UAV was the Hewitt-Sperry Automatic Airplane, developed towards the end of WW1. They were also used in the Vietnam war. In other words, it's not an Israeli invention.

Whenever you see one of these rabid zionists foaming at the mouth screaming about Palestinians being beggars I urge you to just laugh in his/her face and ignore them. Another thing is this propaganda about how this money "comes back to us". It doesnt come back to US it goes into the Defense contractors pocket. There is also the case of surplus goods where we (US Citizens) pay for these items as new for our defense and zionist within our govt take these new items and sell them at surplus prices to Israel using our own money some more. They turn around and resell these items to the highest bidder! Like Columbian drug cartels getting access to attack choppers sold to Israel so they can kill our children with drugs The Doctor Has Spoken

I am very pleased. Please continue to waste your money. Resistance cannot be defeated with military might. Similar to the jewish ghettos of germany, the palestinians are now resisting the dirty games of us imperialism. I love the israelis very very nice people, but they need to stop being an imperialistic pawn, same goes for the palestinians resistence is good, but not to the extent where you are resisting for other nations behalf.

Tosefta, is it such that all posts by 'Genuine Tosefta' are fake? Or does the fake use the name 'Tosefta' as well? Please let us all know. Regards.

Well, if you're right about the debt cancellation, I stand corrected. It's not the way it;s been portrayed in the British media, but you may be right. I stand, though, by teh fact that the US fought WWII mainly for its own reasons, not for Britain. Not that there's anything specially wrong with that. In terms of Israel, I don't think massive free arms shipments to them helps concentrate minds there on the need to compromise for peace. It also surprises me that the US, or certainly this Bush administration is never prepared to use the leverage of the money to persuade Israel to compromise. Bush has let Israel evade almost all commitments on settlements, crossing points, roadblocks. If they're paying the piper, they should call teh tune more.

part of my tax dollars are going to Israel. You are right about the economy and Jobs but you red states elected him twice voting against your interests. As for the sub prime mortgage debacle, caveat emptor, buyer be beware and lender to.

"It was aid! It was aid that allowed Britain to continue to fight heroically." You seem to be suggesting that this was a gift, Peter. We had to pay back every penny of the Lend-Lease money, with interest.

In several posts now, you have acted as Toast Mistress in giving thanks to whatever pimps happen to support your mongrel and motherless 'state' in its fervid rush to suppress democracy and truth in the Arab Middle East. Should I now assume that you chant as an auger of all zionist evil in the area? Or perhaps, to generously give you the benefit of doubt, you are merely a ditto stamp for the equally evil intentions and practices of your corrupt zionist regime?

And thank you for all you have endured to be that "lamp of David" and all you have taught us. How could we ever repay? We can't, but find great comfort in knowing God can, and will. Praise God for unity, in light of sanctification. "Our God is an AWESOME God, He reigns!!! From Heaven above, with wisdom, power and LOVE!!!" Do you know that song? One we can sing together. Hallelu Yah!!! Shalom.

In his post entitled "Why Should I Vote", John from "Katrina" writes: "Look at our presidential candidates even Mr. Obama. Have you heard any of them mentioning what happened to Katrina victims, I don`t think so, but all of them already paid their visits to Israel..." Uh, John? I *just this week* watched candidate and former US Sen. John Edwards going on at length about the inadequate response to Katrina. If memory serves he announced his candidacy from the 9th Ward (among the poorest and hardest hit areas in New Orleans). I'm going to go out on a limb and bet most of the rest of the Democratic candidates -- including Mr. Obama -- have mentioned it as well. Don't confuse your apparent dislike for Israel with any knowledge of domestic current events on your part. You may have a point in the title of your post - it might be best if you don't vote. Or at least study up a little first.

Of course, the fiscally and morally bankrupt USofA has to donate more weapons to so-called Israel in order that they decimate all signs and signals of Palestinian democracy. More to the point, so-called Israel is the only US stooge in the region to be called upon in the oncoming attack upon Iran. Good luck, to all of you zionists in your unerring call upon attracting bad luck upon you and yours.

Hello Tosefta, Did I miss your `humane behind` on Israel opening Erez crossing for injured Pals? There you are, all over the paper again, frowning with US aid to Israel, grapping about UN chief complains on Human rights commission blatant anti-Israeli biasness, pushing your key to peace in freeing Pal murderers, we get it. Welcome back Tosefta, or should you be humanly known from now on as `the little executions` department director, in dedication to your story of Hamas little executions as compared to the historical past. I believe I have told you before, when the people are twisting facts, conning, deceiving, fantasizing or trying to sell wishful thinking & personal agendas as the reality, the intelligence is not enough; they must also possess an absolute `coolness` & smarts to avoid being exposed. You `crack` very easily, every time the radical Islam showcasing itself or Israeli positives cross over your little, humane hart`. Same as Mark L vs Bush. God bless you for trying though

The Americans forgave Britain of the vast majority of its debts decades ago, leaving a remaining token sum of $83 million that was paid off last year. It is mind boggling how you can say "Britain never got any free rides." While I am inclined to agree that Israel should not accept these embarrassing American handouts, I strongly disagree with this protrayal of Israel as a "spoiled child", given its refusal to accept foreign troop assistance. I also do not discount the possibility that a future Israeli PM, in the spirit of Netanyahu, may forgo these payments, not to mention that Bush is promising money that may not even be there (as usual).

Ben - would you mind telling which country israel is at war with at the moment? israel is occupying lands it took forty years ago from countries that it has long since made peace with. and the only state in the middle east with a nuclear arsenal is israel. wo threatens who, again? so, what are you talking about? it seems to me he didn't answer because your question is misleading. also, it seems you are more loyal to israel than america, i suggest you make "aliyah". we need people here who support american, not foreign, interests. cheers.

While Americans struggle to make their mortgage and utility payments the state of israel DEMANDS another USD$50 BILLION. The American taxpayer already donates USD$23,000 annually to each israeli citizen. We do not have to send israel any more money. Let israelis pay for their own military adventures. The israelis have ripped us off for enough money. END ALL FINANCIAL AID TO ISRAEL, NOW!

The US gives "aid" which is infact a subsidy to the Us defence industry. It gives this aid to other countries in the region(Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, irak). To make the jewish lobby happy, israel gets a little bit more and gun version 1.1 while the others get v1.0. Funny thing is, that these countries dont spend less of their own money on defence, but more. And even better, they spend it on US products. Of course the US ends up spending more on their own weapons due to inflated demand. The winner is hence the defence industry and to some extent their employes. The looser is... Mostly everyone else...

Israel was at the forefront in checking Soviet expansion during the cold war. In 1967, Egypt and other countries in the region, such as Syria, were allied with the USSR, and were armed by them. Defeating those countries in the Six Day War was a setback to the USSR. It must be remembered, that the Soviets had planned to participate on the Arab side in this war, but its speed and the very decisive victory, made this impossible. The Yom Kippur War was, again, a setback for the USSR. The war proved the superiority of American weapons, as they were tested on the battle field. This war also led to the development of stealth aircraft. Today, Israel is the only country standing in the way of Iran and its expension to the shores of the Mediterranian. Furthermore, much help has been provided by Israel in the field of weapons development. The unmanned arial vehicle was originally the idea of an Israeli. Israel has greatly contributed to the improvement of American fighter jets.

How can Israel be fooling the American public if the details of US aid to Israel are transparent and there for all to see?