U.S. Evangelists to boost Israel support in wake of Hamas win

There's a Hebrew word which is found in the T'NaKH (aka O.T)... it's in the book of the Prophet OvadYah (Obadiah). It's quite amazing in light of recent events. It specifically refers to an endtime judgment which will come upon Jacob's brother- the house of Esau- for the following reason: "How are [the things] of Esau searched out! [how] are his hidden things sought up!... For [thy] violence (khamas) against thy brother Jacob, shame shall cover thee and thou shalt be cut off for ever." (Obadiah 1:6;10) This word, "khamas", is found in the bible concordance textbook known as the 'Strong's Bible Corcordance'. It's listed there as #2555 and is translated in the Bible a total of sixty times as follows: - violence 39, violent 7, cruelty 4, wrong 3, false 2, cruel 1, damage 1, injustice 1, oppressor + [iysh/man] 1, unrighteous 1 Does the word, "KHAMAS", sound familiar in light of recent Palestinian election results?

I condemn Palestinian groups who sponsor suicide bombers. They simply should not target civilians. It was wrong in the beginning; it's wrong now and it will always be a despicable course of action. However I will not give Israelis citizens or their government the high moral ground they claim. The state of Israel is equally a sponsor of terror against Palestinian civilians It's carried out by a massively powerful military force which Israelis call "The Israeli Defence Force". The world should by all means demand of Hamas that they disarm and recognize the state of Israel. At the same time the world should demand that Israel recognize the state of Palestine, place the aparthied wall where it should be, remove civilian colonies from Palestinian land, prosecute military personnel who shoot to kill children, and live in peace. Make Israel accountable. Make Palestine accountable. The alternatives are racism.

With all due respect to #14, I suspect he's an exponent for the left-wing factions found in "churches" which interpret the Holy Scriptures through a prism of political correctness. So, too, with his assessment regarding Evangelicals supporting Israel. More than Don's one-dimensional caricature of the Evangelicals as essentially dangerous religious fanatics, the support which Evangelicals give to Israel is reflective of a truly wonderful phenomenon... A spiritual movement known as "Christian Zionism" or the "Hebraic Roots" movement. And though Evangelicals are prominent among their ranks, it takes in Christians of all stripes. I've personally witnessed its growth in the last 30 years. A common expression among its adherents is "I don't know why, but I love Israel and the Jewish people... I want to support them". This is not a man-made political/religious movement! It's the sovereign hand of God... a sign regarding prophecies uttered by the ancient prophets of Truth... read #45.

With all due respect to #14, it sounds to me like he may be an exponent for the liberal left-wing factions to be found in a variety of "churches" which interpret the Holy Scriptures through a prism of political correctness. So, too, with his assessment of the phenomena surrounding Evangelical support for Israel. I've personally witnessed the growing phenomenon of the Christian Zionism movement for nigh unto 30 years, and though Evangelicals are predominant, nevertheless, it is truly a spiritual phenomenon that takes in Christians of all stripes. The movement is more broadly known as 'Christian Zionism' or the 'Hebraic Roots' movement; and the common expression among its adherents is "I don't know why, but I've got this love for Israel and the Jewish people in my heart; and I want to support them." This is not a man-made movement. This is the sovereign hand of God... the starting fulfillment of some amazing prophecies uttered by the ancient prophets of Truth... for example read #45.

Well said Elijah. In love we will proclaim the goodness of god. All these things we are debating and seeing must happen. I appeal to all who read these words CHRIST is the messiah and all who call on his name will be save. We are all all hurting in our on ways. Let the love of god heal you today through the name of Jesus Christ.

Well said Elijah. In love we will proclaim the goodness of god. All these things we are debating and seeing must happen. I appeal to all who read these words CHRIST is the messiah and all who call on his name will be save. We are all all hurting in our on ways. Let the love of god heal you today through the name of Jesus Christ.

Regarding the ownership of Israel and Jerusalem, a two state or one. Two things must be concidered.. 1)by G-d's law all things sold into slavery or given up for peace is returned to the rightful owner, the kinsman Redeemer-Yeshua who paid the brideprice- on Jubilee. 2)Ezekiel's dry bones are already assembled and fleshed out...all that's left is G-d breath! Please read these articles, provocative enough to ponder. Timely Speculation? Ezekiel's 430 Days http://www.khouse.org/articles/biblestudy/20000801-276.html AND http://www.khouse.org/articles/biblestudy/19960301-46.html Both by Chuck Missler

Don, I don't know where you got your information on what an Evangelical Christian is, but it is very twisted and distorted, and in some ways plain wrong. If you're not an Evangelical Christian yourself, then please don't speak for them. Let those of us who are Evangelical Christians explain our beliefs. I promise you we will define ourselves honestly and clearly.

re#14 Don Evangelicals who are pre-trib and millenialist understand the scriptures (Daniel and Revelation)to say just the opposite. Gentile rule is ENDED at the return of The Alph Tau, Alpha Omega,The Almighty. We believe the prerequisite for Messiah's return is Israel's national return to G-d, which sadly comes only after much distress-the 70th week-birthpangs of the Messiah if you will. Then she(his first love)will turn her bridegroom Yeshua. He then fulfills the last three of the 7 Feasts, the appointed times of G-d. Believers today must take heed to the judgements of Rev 1-3, and error of Balaam. see 1 Peter 4:17 Dont be mistaken, "THE ALMIGHTY IS Possessor of heaven and earth, HABITATION of justice, JUDGE of all the earth, the God of Recompense;"the Day of the LORD is near for all nations. As you have done, it shall be done to you; your deeds will return upon your own head" Obad 1:15 niv Deut 32:41 Jn 8:58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born,I AM

In the great Exodus from Egypt Moshe instructed the children of Isreal to keep a first year lamb and kill it on the fourteenth day of the first month. Anyone outside the covering of the blood on the doorposts, was to lose the life of their first born. In the same way, our Messiah gave his life (Psalm 22 "they pierced my hands and my feet") Now Y'shua's blood keeps all who call on him safe from the death angel. It is his sacrifice alone we all should put our hope in. Sha'aloo Shalom Y'rushalaim.

JustMe should understand that "Christian" in Israel doen't always mean a believer in Jeshua as Messiah--it is also used as a polital position--one that is evidently being used by those wishing to divide and eliminate. Beware of Antiochus type strategy as well as that of Amalek. Evangelicals believe God and are not afraid of the 'giants' in the land!!

Hamas must disarm because small arms are no match for battle tanks and hell fire missiles. The Israelis are killers and they will use their supremacy of armament on any excuse to sate their bloodlust. Hamas must now posture itself as peace loving victims of Israeli aggression. Let Fatah morph into Hamas. Hamas must recognize the defacto existence of the Zionist state. Such recognition is merely a pragmatic recognition of Israels physical existence. It must not mean acceptance of the existence of the Zionist entity and in no way legitimizes that existence. The Zionist entity exists by force of arms on Palestinian land and has no basis in legitimacy.

I quote one of the previous respondents as having said, "it would be ridiculous to suggest that Jews and Evangelical Christians are natural allies...". In the "natural", that statement is somewhat correct. However, in the realm of the supernatural that prohpesied "alliance" is exactly what's beginning to take shape before our very eyes! Men judge affairs on the basis of their limited understanding which in itself is clouded by prejudices. However, there was one far wiser than we who long ago made the following declaration and thus it was written: "For there shall be a day, that the watchmen [the notzrim/christians] shall call upon the mount Ephraim [i.e., the stronghold of Eprayim]: 'Arise ye, and let us go up to Zion, unto the LORD our God.' For thus saith the LORD: Sing with gladness for Jacob, and shout at the head of the nations [USA?]; announce ye, praise ye, and say: 'O LORD, save Thy people, the remnant of Israel.' (Yermeyahu/Jeremiah 31:6-7).

It is only because of Jesus that I have this great love for Israel and the jewish people. I would have cared, but not so deeply. In all honesty, I think this is where many evangelicals are coming from.

Arab Christians believe Yeshua, Jesus was an Arab, NOT a Jew ! Yeshua was a Jew !

With respect; I appear venomous?

With all due respect. IF a Gentile converted to Judaism (this is the closest analogy that I can think of) and then ate pork, would they be considered a Jew? I think not. It is the same as calling someone a Christian. Christians 1)love Israel, 2)love the Jewish people, 3) support the country financially if possible, and 4) stand with the Nation of Israel. Many of the "Righteous Gentiles" during the Holocaust were in fact, Christians. THOSE were the Christians. Dietrich Bonhoeffer was what one would call an "Evangelical" Christian if he lived in our day, and was killed by the Nazis for being one. Please 'hear' me. If nothing else, the Jewish people MUST begin to read ALL of their scriptures and apply the standards found there to those who would call themselves Christian. I love the Jews because I love Jesus, a Jew. He said 'whatever you do to the least of my brethern, that you do to me'. I stood with Gush Katif. I support Israel's right to exist in peace and I'm black. Wake up.

Yes just what Israel needs another religious biggot. Thanks Mr HomoPhobic Robertson but we could do with our your preaching of hatred here.

Romans 9:4-5; They are the people of Isreal, chosen to be God's childeren. God revealed his glory to them. He made covenants with them and gave his law to them. They have the privilege of worshiping him and receiving his wonderful promises. Their ancestors were great people of God, and Christ himself was a Jew as far as his human nature is concerned. And he is God, who rules over everything and is worthy of eternal praise! Amen Finally Christians are turning to there bibles for the thruth. We are turning from our anti-semitic pasts. I hope all Christians will show the love of Jesus, in loving the Jewish people and the nation of Isreal. God Bless the people of Isreal. For blessed is he who bless my people.

Kate says: "In any event, the peoples of Europe have been Catholic for many centuries. That did not prevent them from collaborating en masse with the Nazis to murder 1.5 million Jewish children." How ignorant of yours to associate Nazis with Catholics. Nazis were pagans who rejected christian teachings, certainly not Catholics. And Germans are mostly protestant, not Catholics, by the way. I recommend you go back to school and relearn your history.

Zechariah 12:1-3 A pronouncement: The word of the LORD concerning Israel. The utterance of the LORD, Who stretched out the skies And made firm the earth, And created man's breath within him: Behold, I will make Jerusalem a bowl of reeling for the peoples all around. Judah shall be caught up in the siege upon Jerusalem, when all the nations of the earth gather against her. In that day, I will make Jerusalem a stone for all the peoples to lift; all who lift it shall injure themselves. Selah

Gennady is right, but I would even go a step beyond that. Many Christians today recognize the atrocities that have been carried out against Jews through the ages in the name of Jesus. Beyond that, there is a recognition of the role of Israel in God's plan for humanity -- and that is something we can all share, whether you are waiting for Messiah to come ... or to come again.

There is little difference between your type of Christian teaching and that of fanatical Muslims. Both of you believe that God abandoned the Jews when Christ was crucified by the Romans. For this you expelled us once from England and from Spain. You even taught that it was okay to persecute and kill us. Well we have returned and proven the Bible prophecies about us to have been true. That means the salvation which you proclaim to have had under Christ Jesus has been an illusion for all the Jew hating Christians and Muslims of the world for the past 2000 years. If you continue your war against the Apple of God's Eye, Jesus upon his return will vomit you out of his mouth, I promise you. Your deliverance is of the Jews and don't forget it Fr Paul!

Very funny Yodeladihu, except from the direction he is coming, it appears that he is coming from Hell, where you are going to be, one day, along with your friends Khalid and Anoosh.

As a Christian it pains me to admit that Kate hits the nail on the head from the Jewish perspective. You cannot afford to trust our good intentions, no matter how genuine they may be. We may be in nothing more than another period of tolerance with an end point out there somewhere. I hear and see plenty of virulant anti-semitism throughout the West; enough that were I Jewish I would be worried about the future, especially the petrolium shocks sure to come in the next decades.

WOW! what a slimy interpretation of christianity. I support the jews because the land is theirs and has been for thousands of years. and at the return of Christ it will be given to them once and for all. i don't advocate a two state solution, and there never is a just division of the "promised land".

Only a foolwould believe that Muslims will adhere to this type of arrangement. If you havent noticed the Muslims cant stand not to get their way. They always resort to a threat or some koranic quote with underlying threatening overtones. The best approach with these pitiful crybabies is to stand firm and unified. Dont listen to the victimization of Muslims and give them nothing.

I find it amazing at all the uninformed people in this world. Some people live in tunnel vision. No wonder America is in such danger. Do you want to keep your head?

The Evangelical Christians' relationship with Israel is not an alliance of mutual respect and concurrant aims, but one in which each thinks that it is pulling one over on the other. Like all such alliances, care must be taken that it doesn't inadvertantly sour. As long as you don't really count on them, you should be ok.

All people of Christian faith should help jews of Israel in its battle against evil terrorists. And none of us should talk to Hamas. I think the world has looked to Palestinians in disgust of what they have done. Honestly voting a terrorist group into office only makes the world revulsion to them grow. I am sure people still can see them dancing in the streets in the wake of 9/11 terrorist attacks. Even Europe will not be able to turn itself in disgust and withdralw money support. Cheers,

People do not be criticel of the evangelists support. israel needs all the help it can get

Jesus Himself, being a Jew, had the same difficulty in converting His own people to faith in Him, as you seem to have in understanding that it is impossible that all religions can be true. There is only one truth. Mohammad, Bhudda, have all pointed to what they claimed was the "truth", but only Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the Life"(John14:6).

There are many ministries working within Israel and even with the Palistinians that work quietly without fanfare and publicity in order to be unhindered in their work.

It seems that Esau will hate Jacob for eternity, but in the end the very root of Esau will be plucked up and destroyed. God said, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated"(Malachi1:2-3). God says that even if Esau will rebuild it will be called a "Territory of Wickedness", and we are seeing the clear evidence.

jerusalem will be occupied by the crusaders. God only knows where the jewish people will be.

why desperate? They will not fight for you only spread poison against islam in U.S.A..AAHHHHH

An enemy of my enemy is my friend. Islam is the biggest threat to Evangelical Christians throughout the world, and any group that can help them in their mission can expect significant, albeit temporary, benefits from the relationship. It would be ridiculous to suggest that Jews and Evangelical Christians are natural allies, but present circumstances make the alliance worthwhile to both groups, and there is no reason for either group to place dogmatism above pragmatism.

i think Don is right on. here's an israeli christian jew who agrees with you totally: http://rense.com/general69/cong.htm

So you believe when we stand before our Creator, that He will be more interested in lineage ---- than in our behaviour, our actions, our chosen moral compass, our faith, our beliefs, our relationship with Him, our values .... ?

Evangelicals don't offer support based on theology or labels. Of course we're going to support Israel's right to exist (unlike Hamas). We offer support based on shared values that similar to free, non-terrorist supporting societies. Now as far as compassionate aid, Evangelical Churches gives funds and assistance to everyone, regardless of race and religion. This includes Palestinians. An Evangelical Palestinian visited my church about 3 years ago, and he's got a great ministry where he offers up a day camp with alternative values opposed to Hamas garbage values. IE -- Hatred is not taught.

The Holy City of Jerusalem could be designated as a World Heritage site under the control of the United Nations. Everyone would be free to visit this site without fighting or conflict since it would be owned and controlled by all mankind for the use of everyone with all religious sites respected and tended properly by authorized representatives of the appropriate faith. All worshipers and visitors could have peaceful daily access to their own sites without personal property ownership of any part of the designated Holy City zone. Those displaced would be compensated for their sacrifice for the greater good. Think about it.

Note taken: A respondant whose job involves understanding makes a salient point. As for #14, "Evangelical Christians" tend to ignore the gentle example and teachings of Yeshua in favour of other texts that support what they have come to believe.

The term "Evangelical Christians" refers to Christians who believe that their salvation depends on a personal acceptance of Jesus as Savior. The term includes many mainstream Protestants. As used in connection with Israel, the term usually refers to a subset of Evangelical Christians known generally as millenialists, who subscribe to a belief that all of the "promised land" must be controlled by the Jews in order to usher in the final days and the second coming of Christ, at which time those Jews who refuse to acknowledge Christ will be consigned to damnation. This belief, based mainly on the books of Daniel and Revelation (Apocalypse) goes back no further than the sixteenth century, and was mostly developed in nineteenth century Britain. The millenialists care nothing for Palestinian Christians, since there is no place for them in their peculiar belief system. Nor do they necessarily care very much about Jews, other than as the instrumentality that ushers in the final days. There are roughly 20 million Protestants and Orthodox Christians whose churches are members of Christians for Middle East Peace, a group which advocates a two state solution and a just division of the holy land. This is also the position of the Roman Catholic Church. The Milleniialists support the most extreme right wing Israelis. They advocate a position that the majority of Israelis realize can only lead to more bloodshed.

We know what are the russians they have attacked to our land in Second World War and despite of the huge difference between David and Goljat we succeed to keep you in your side with Stalin and red army and the war last 5 years. Israel have also face the Russia with the massive russians support to the arabic countries. Tell me how russia support Israel ?

when you address the real issue of hate in your own country by muslims against Swedish Jews. As for now, kol ha'kavod for the Christians who, for whatever their agenda is, stand by us.

That's a rather odd idea of yours that a person is more of Christian than his neighbour because he has been a Christian for longer. In any event, the peoples of Europe have been Catholic for many centuries. That did not prevent them from collaborating en masse with the Nazis to murder 1.5 million Jewish children.

As we don't believe what they believe, and many of us don't believe that Christ even existed, why should we care? They could believe that all Jews on death are automatically converted to Christianity as far as I'm concerned. That they support Israel so vigorously is the important issue.

That cartoon only goes to prove, yet again, how unsafe Europe is for Jews and how essential Israel is for our continued survival. I firmly believe that long after Israel has made peace with the Arabs, the gentiles of Europe will still be our eternal enemy.

Do these U.S. Evangelists know that there was a Christian candidate running on Hamas electoral ticket in last week Palestinian parliamentary elections? Interview with this candidat here http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/ACC5E814-DB9A-4C8C-9C5C-D2F5795720BA.htm

They do support Christians they just don't support the phony one's that are full of hate and support the cruel murder of Jewish women and children in suicide bombings and other terrorist actions.

IN THIS HOLY WAR AGAINST HAMAS, PLO, AL-QAIDA, HIZBOLLA, AL-AQSA. THIS IS THE APOCALIPTIC WAR THE JEWISH MINORITY WILL WIN AGAINST THE ISMAEL MAJORITY AND CHRISTIANS (EDOM) WILL BECOME DEDICATED BROTHERS OF JEWS (JACOB).

Ask an evangelical Christian how long their family has been Christian and they will probably tell you: "Since pastor so-and-so preached in our town several years ago." Ask a Palestinian Christian the same question and they will tell you: "My family has been Christian since Jesus came to our village." How convenient it is sometimes to try and re-write history.

Evangelical Christians do support Arab Christians who are not anti-Israel. Those Arab "Christians" who prefer the PA (or worse), who are anti-Semitic, and who sometimes tacitly support the terror tactics of the assorted Muslim groups against the Jews receive little or no support or acknowledgment from Western evangelical Christians. Not too surprising.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/stevebell/archive/0,,1284265,00.html

It's true...why don't they support their Christian breatheren? or do they? Also, do these people realize that the vast majority of all christians in Israel and Palestine are Palestinians? This is a strange variable into an already complicated situation in the middle east..and how can Israelis support evangelicals who believe that you have to either accept Jesus or you go to hell...the Catholics at least have abandoned this train of thought...evangelicals mission IS to convert everyone...yes, what trully strange bedfellows Israel has now...

Funny, I've never read or seen an article about these "evangelicals" offering any kind of support to christians in Israel or the Palestinian territories.