U.S. evangelicals raise specter of 'Islamofascism' to rouse voters

Thanks, Fox. I think you're right. I've actually been fortunate to be able to pursue what I love. Glad you have found happiness in Israel as well. Thanks again for your kind and perceptive comments.

Day, thanks for your response #186. It is nice that you have chosen learn'n over wealth. I understand the difficulties one faces when one is not moneied in the West. I being a artist/painter am aware of this situation. I feel it much less in Israel, where I have staked myself out a piece of paradise. It is important to remember that the problems you face are ethereal, whereas when one does not have money for example in Thailand he has no food, and finds himself and his family pitching camp along the railway tracks. Your problem is one of distinctions and comparative economic states, rather than survival. So enjoy what you have chosen. Nick, lives in Bangkok. A very American place. He of course has chosen not to reside in Burma or Saudi Arabia. The reasons should be obvious, though Nick is oblivious when it comes to drawing lines between his chosen setting and lifestyle with those of his agenda driven words. He knows why America is great, he has chosen America.

I have no reluctance to face anything about the United States. In actuality, I have spent my life in a battle with American materialism and conformity. I've devoted my life to learning, and have three graduate degrees and a law degree, but since I have made it my goal to learn rather than to make money I've spent my life alienated from the mainstream American society around me. It has been a terrible burden in many ways. I have no illusions about America or need to defend it. I also believe that, among other things, constitutional law jurisprudence in the United States, both in its theoretical structure and in its practice and enforcement, of human rights may be the most magnificent achievement of democracy in human history. So as I've said I have no illusions about America's virtue; I've seen the American nightmare. I try to grapple with the complexity of reality, though. I don't see you doing that.

Dear Daybreak, Thank you again for taking the time to respond to my posts. However, you have yet to address any of the criticisms that I make of the US, which I believe highlight its basic hypocrisy, the original point that I was making to FOX. I can understand your reluctance to discuss the regular and consistent violations of international law by the US. It does seem to come as a surprise to most Americans to discover how abusive their government has been overseas, and I would have thought this would be a spur to most humanitarians and believers in democracy to find out quite what it is that their government has been up to. To this end, for I believe you are a very decent sort, can I suggest that you peruse the ICCPR? You will find it is not just the self-determination of others that the US regularly violates, but a number of other major articles as well. Guantanamo Bay is only the tip of a very large iceberg. Double standards are, as I have repeatedly said, the name of the game. And until we have a global constitutional court, and can hold the US responsible for its persistent violations of the basic human rights of others, there is very little we can do about. Except of course point out the hypocrisy. Regards

Now I realize Nick that sitting in Thailand and rummaging through the internet makes you a maven on what is going on here in the Holyland. Sorry but it does not. As for the UN calling the situation here ethnic cleansing, it is stupid. for their to be ethnic cleansing you would expect the numbers of those being eliminated to go down not to grow exponentially! More twaddle Nick. A conversation between my musical partner and an Israeli Moslem rapper was quite enlightening. he has chosen to sing about the Arabs cleaning up their act and taking advantage of their situation here. Unlike you, this young rapper 20 yrs of age understands that he is free in the Israel to sing whatever he likes, the freedom of speech the song and the word is something that no other Arab in the Arab world can lay claim to. This is the reality not the pseudo Leftist crap that you spout. Now go out and get yourself a nice soup, with noodles and beef balls, and a can of Jackfruit juice. Hmmmmm..

I'd suggest you read chapter five of Inside the Resistance by Zaki Chehab, the distinguished Palestinian journalist, if you would like to learn about international laws violated by British troops in Iraq in the occupation. The hypocrisy is all yours for setting up double standards. Sorry, I'll have to decline your kind invitation to continue this tomorrow and I'll just hope we're done for today as well.

Dear Daybreak, Yes, Article One of the ICCPR is International law. The US has violated it repeatedly. That is precisely what I mean by hypocrisy. My point is made I think. Until tomorrow. Regards.

Dear FOX, Thank you taking the time to reply. I think you have misunderstood my post, and misunderstood democracy. I did not say America had not brought democracy to Saudi Arabia. Democracy cannot be imported. What I said, is that the US has thwarted people power in various states around the world, at various times because it impinged on America?s business and security interests. Please quote me accurately. You then say, quote, that I ?bitch that folks are allowed to live under whatever system they think is best?. Yes, of course, that is the fundamental principle the American Revolution was based on. It is the fundamental basis of democracy. Check out Article One of the ICCPR, ii is called self-determination. It was based partly on the efforts of Eleanor Roosevelt. Of course, you could always pass this document off as ?a little puddle of squat?, but then you would be allowing personal hygiene to tarnish the reputation of a wonderful humanitarian. Another wonderful quote from you is, ?Democracy has proven to be the best method for nations to govern themselves and assure the minimum of civil & human rights?. Are you talking about the rights of the indigenous North Americans? Or perhaps you refer to Black Americans whose civil and political rights were finally recognised nearly two hundred years after independence. That is a hell of a long time to wait. Who else is waiting? As for Israel, it is a multiple and systematic abuser of the UDHR. If you think that is fine and dandy, I would not be surprised. They are dealing with the Palestinians in the same way the Americans dealt with their indigenous population. It is called ethic cleaning. That was the conclusion of the World Bank in their report on the situation in the West Bank of June of this year. Regards

There are not two standards of human rights in the world. Period. International law by its nature universalizes the standards. If you want to live in a world governed by international law, that is the first thing you need to learn about law. You have failed to learn that so far, probably because you're too busy confusing yourself with your justifications for human rights abuses in countries you wish to excuse.

I believe the issue we were discussing was hypocrisy (the issue you brought up) and you've avoided that issue completely, bringing in every tangential issue you can think of to do so. Did I say the U.S. should impose democracy? Why is that an issue? If you want to talk about some other issue to avoid the subject you raised yourself, please find someone else's time to waste.

Dear Daybreak, The points you make about the British behaviour during counter-insurgency campaigns are very valid, and I wouldn?t disagree with any of the facts you mention, or your interpretation. The question then, is if it was wrong then, is it right today? No, of course not. What I am arguing, and what you have yet to pick up on, is that modern secular democracies set themselves apart by their high standards on human rights. They judge themselves and other modern secular democracies on their ability to abide by these rights. It is blatantly unjust to criticize others who are not democracies, and who do not have the same histories and traditions of democratic evolution as ourselves, nor one of western thought which contributes so much to our understanding of rights, for not catching up overnight. The enlightenment was a phenomenal experience. I pointed out to you that the US did not give full political and civil rights to a significant ethnic minority, Black Americans, until 40 years ago. You have pointed out to me that the UK behaved badly in Palestine. I think we can accept that there are still huge efforts to be made in both the US and the UK to make them even fairer and more just places to be. It is nonsensical denigrating Muslims for what we perceive as wrongs from our position of entitlement. It will do nothing to encourage change for the better. It would only entrench us in a smug position of superiority, when one is not justified. Regards

Wellll Nick you have gotten caught in your own web of generalizations and shallow thinking. On one hand you speak of civil and human rights, and then you add a handful of pseudo democratic thinking and what we are witness too is your little puddle of squat. On one hand you complain that America has not brought democracy to Saudi Arabia, and then you bitch that folks are allowed to live under whatever system they think is best. But how do we know what they want unless they are asked, voting for example? Democracy has proven to be the best method for nations to govern themselves and assure the minimum of civil & human rights. As for Israel, go ahead and complain, you know little but it is your right. Atleast here you have that right. Continuing in your messy thinking, you have few complaints regarding Islamic countries using the lame excuse that this is what they want? I enjoy a good debate, but debating with you is a waste of time. Hopefully Daybreak has the time.

Dear Daybreak, Thank you again for taking the time to reply to my last post. I would like to think that America?s concern with democracy is a genuine one. But I don?t believe the facts support it. America?s concern for democracy is always driven by realpolitik. Its primary concern is with the primacy of its own position and power. That may have some long-term benefits for others, but probably only if they forego their own cultural traditions. Latin America in the 70s and 80s, Palestine for at least the last 30 years, Iran since the 50s, even Saudi Arabia, are examples of where the US chose to use its influence and might to stop people power. You then go on to talk about human rights. I will remind you that self-determination, the right to which all peoples have, as expressed in the opening article of the International Covenant of Civil and Political Rights, the legal form of the UDHR, was violated by the US, in its denial of people power in those countries and regions named above. You then talk about democracy as if it can be transplanted like a McDonald?s restaurant. Other cultures have a right to determine for themselves how they respond to the challenges of modernity. It is not for you to do this. They don?t have to buy into an American franchise, if they don?t wish to. They may prefer what theyahve. That is their choice. It is a contradiction in terms to impose democracy. If a peoples wish to stay in the Amazonian rainforests with a life expectancy of 45, can we stop them? No. Can we forcibly repatriate them to the ghettoes of Rio de Janeiro, where their life expectancy is ... er ? 45? Not much of a choice is it? No wonder they choose to stay. Can we stop them aborting female fetuses on the grounds this is ? er ? gender discrimination? No. This is a moral decision their communities have to decide, just as the US has decided that abortion is in tune with their moral code, even though cultures view it as appalling barbarity. That is your choice. Very simply, we don?t have the right to dictate to any peoples that they embrace democracy. There can be no enforced conversions. Democracy stands on its own, or it withers on the vine through a compulsion that is alien to its very being. It is always a bottom-up process, which is how John Locke, the father of modern secular democracy rationalized the legality of rebellion. If you try and impose your form of democracy on someone else, their rebellion against you is legitimate. It is a subversive business this democracy, isn?t it? Regards Nick

To snuff out the Palestinian Arab Great Revolt in the 1930s the British employed "all the usual tactics of counterinsurgency," which included "the collective punishment of villages, targeted assassinations, mass arrests, deportations, dynamiting homes of suspected guerrillas and sympathizers." (Gelvin, The Israel-Palestine Conflict, Cambridge University Press, 2005, p. 113). In your view, though, it is not hypocritical for the British today to criticize Israel for doing precisely what their own government did when faced with a similar situation, but it is hypocritical for Americans, who created a constitutional law revolution of immense proportions in addressing and redressing their own history of human rights violations, are hypocritical even to mention human rights violations in the Islamic world. Again, try logic rather than bias, Mr. Ferriman. Logic is better.

I see. If the Islamic world fails abysmally to democratize, it gets a pass on being judged by the prevailing human rights standards in the modern world by virtue of that very failure and refusal to democratize. Great logic, Nick. And no one can judge their failures whose own country has anything less than an unblemished history, but the British, who contributed to the present problems in Israeli-Palestinian relations before withdrawing from the area in part simply because they could no longer economically afford to be there, are free to criticize Israel for not meeting standards of human rights they abysmally failed to meet when they themselves were there as a colonial power. Logical consistency would get in the way of your agenda to demonize Israel and apologize for the Islamic nations, wouldn't it?

are more well-behaved than the muslims......it's written in their koran-kill all the infidels wherever you can find them.oh tree,there's a jew behind you,kill him/her.animals know when their predators are coming and stay away from them.but the palestinians,they know that a certain place is a war zone,but they still go,hamas still let them go to snoop.

Mer: "i am sorry it doesn`t contain rape, murder and incest" If you really believe that it does not contain murder, rape, then obviously you have never read it. the quran is full of murder!! sadly, but true Mildred, if your kids live in muslim countries and are happy about it, while you are unhappy in the USA, maybe you should consider moving to them. I 'd rather prefer being a muslim in america, than a non-muslim in pakistan!! Every year dozens of "honour killings" occur in germany.it's a shame

Dear Daybreak, Thank you for replying to my post. Unfortunately, I think that you have missed the main point. Those who claim to be modern secular democracies have a code of conduct that they must live by, and if they don?t, it is perfectly legitimate to point this out. Israel claims to be a modern secular democracy, so it is held to these standards. I think that is fair. Unfortunately, it fails the test abysmally. It is a multiple and systematic abuser of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, a document born of the Holocaust. The UK and the US are also held to those standards, and it is perfectly legitimate for anyone, regardless of their nationality, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or social background, to point out when these states do not abide by those standards either. What is unjust, and unfair, is to judge other people by our standards, not theirs, and then find them wanting. Muslims already have a moral and ethical code that they live by. It is spiritually, culturally and historically coherent. Denigration of this code in the appalling manner we see on this site smacks of racism, and when it becomes a justification for attack, under the pretence of course of bringing civilization, it is imperialism. I would have thought that the granting of full citizenship rights to American blacks only in living memory would have helped Americans show a little bit more humility. Apparently not. Regards

Miss Ann the problem is you can't prefer to be a dust blowing in wind, because your spiritual soul is eternal whether you like it or not. Your soul live on eternally, if not in Heaven, then it will be in Hell, you will never be fade into nothingness, become a WAS! this is the difference between the cat or the ant around you, you are made in the image of G-D with a eternal soul. Certain Wars were started by christian politicians naive enough to hope to change things for betORDER=

Hey Daybreak, Nick is a confused and peturbed pseudo Lefty. His thought process is simply based on a grand dislike of America. He attempts to equate Fundamentalist Islamofacism with evangelical Chritianity. He, in his fuming hatred of America, writes that the Moslems also consider abortion to be murder. Interestingly abortion is also seen as murder by the evangelicals. so what is he up to sitting in Bangkok? What his cynical mind fails to comprehend is that he himself is the enemy of Islam. No matter how much he prostrates himself he is still the infidel and his ideas, though moronic are the antithesis to Islam. I suspect he has not thought this through, and has come out guns ablazing looking for an argument. Sadly his arguments are weak and confused. Islamo-facism seeks to convert or kill this gentleman, whereas evangelists just want to convince him to "see the light". There is a huge difference between conversion at the end of a bomb, & handing out bibles.

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You wrote: "...so for Americans to condemn others for lynching, something they have only recently stopped doing, smacks of hypocrisy." I suppose you will want to condemn those British posters on Talkback who criticize the Israeli occupation for hypocrisy as well. The British history of imperialistic depredations across the globe ended recently as well, did it not? In addition, their history in this regard included Palestine itself. The British posters are condemning an occupation of the very land they once held under a mandatory system whose purpose was simply "to give colonialism a cleaner, more modern look." (Segev, One Palestine, Complete, Holt, 2000, p. 118). It seems that by your own standards these British posters are appalling hypocrites.

not your enemy and not your friend. It is a way of life that a community of believers have chosen to follow. Those that see islam as their enemy are threatened by the vast amount of its believers as well as their dutiness to your faith. Evangelicals see Islam as a spiritual threat while zionists see islam a secular threat. You claim to be a democracy but that means justice for all not justice for some. STOP BEING HYPOCRITICAL! The truth is the number of muslims killed by nonmuslims far outweighs the vice versa. No religion can be blamed for the acts of a few. Remember the names Baruch Goldstein and Timothy McVeigh! Or how about the boy in Finland who just shot up the school! They are all not muslim. May ALLAH bring peace to all his people on all his land! Yes Justice for ALL! Get over it! An average of 15 Palestinians are killed each day. Just because it is not reported doesnt mean that its not happening. What about Iraqis over 100,000 dead. Or the lebanese over 2000 killed. PEACE TO A

"Human being" no doubt Hitler,Stalin,Pol Pot the Ayatollah Khomeini also regarded themselves as "human beings". The Janjaweed,great "human beings",bet they can recite all the names for you as can the Iranian Revolutionary Guards at Evin prison who rape girls so they will not go to heaven after they are executed. How many names do you think Usama Bin Ladin can recite?

This quote of Churchill could have been just as accurately made about evangelical republicans or orthodox zionists. A better quote of his is "man occasionally stumbles over the truth but most of the time he's able to pick himself up and keep on going".

Maureen is certainly right. Evangelicals in the US. support Israels aggression against Palestine while constituting the lunatic fringe of the Republican party. They are no more Christian than is Bin Laden.

Oh I see. You are a 9/11 revisionist. Don't you think your theories when examined very closely leave out one very obvious detail. Don't you think by now, one of these non-Islamic elements, of which are incorporated so many so called non-Islamic co-conspirators, including his highness himself, would have by now said, "We did it (Achoo!)!"? They would have Doug. You're wasting your time standing around on college campuses with your signs and boothes. In fact, think harder. Anybody who would have even been close to doing something close to what you guys claim would have had to have been wasted by the leader on top just to have been quiet for so long. They did get wasted. They were all Saudi Nationals and jihadists from Afghanistan. 100% Muslim. Their leaders still running around. Bin Laden, Mullah Omar and Zawahiri. So nothing you guys say holds any water.

Dear Shekinah; Islam Christianity and Judaism are fundamentally saying the same message, about the nature of humans, what is vice and what is virtue. There are differences, of course, in the way the story is told. Those differences, I am sure, may be considered basic, by some people. I don’t have any problems with what anyone considers to be basic or marginal. To me it does not matter whither Jesus was killed or descended to heaven unharmed, as the Moslems believe. What is important, at least to me, is what Jesus stood for, his message. Both Christianity and Islam are in agreement with the Ten Commandments. There is no conflict on major issues. While some people look for differences that divide us into opposing camps, I look for common grounds that unite all humanity. If it pleases you to point out differences; that is fine, but please don’t portray us as opposing camps, instead highlight uniqueness,wisdom and inner strength of the various religions.

that millions of legal and illegal immigrants, many fleeing Islamic butchers and Sharia Law to come to the United States, did you?

Nowhere near a million people have been killed in the war against radical Islam in Iraq or elsewhere. That's ridiculous and makes any argument you have specious.

Dear Lynn, Thank you for taking the time to respond to my post. I listed the five issues that FOX used to condemn the Muslims. I then asked which of these have not been the norm in the US in the last 100 years? Your response is to say that breaches by others do not excuse Muslims. Quite right, but the tone of your response suggests that it does excuse Americans. Wrong. Very wrong. If the US is going to invade others because it feels it has a moral justification, it had better make sure its own house is in order. It is not. An brief analysis of your points shows this. You say that Muslims should stop lynching gays. When did white Christians stop lynching blacks? Not that long ago, so for Americans to condemn others for lynching, something they have only recently stopped doing themselves, smacks of hypocrisy. The cultural imperialism that your comment demonstrates is a major cause of conflict. Your second point concerns the treatment of women. Yes, I agree, honour killings and the stoning of women for adultery are horrific. However, the response of Muslims would be that abortion is just as barbaric, if not more so. How many women are killed in the manner you say, and how many fetuses are aborted? When judged by a different moral standard to your own, the US is found wanting. Does that give others the right to attack you? No. Why does US foreign policy always look to attack someone else because they are not American? This is racism without any moral foundation. People in glass houses should not throw stones. Regards Nick

Dhimmis were subject to legal and social inferiority, and discrimination was permanent, necessary, and "inherent in the system and institutionalized in law and practice," due to the fact that Dhimmis were not allowed to testify against a Muslim in court. Dhimmis were often subject to violence and crimes committed by Muslims; despite strict regulations to keep them on a lower status than that of Muslims, they often managed to secure considerable economic wealth and occasionally (though extremely rarely) some measure of political power.[43] Lewis also notes that, although the regulations and restrictions imposed on dhimmis by the many Islamic communities "did not always conform to the high morals and religious principles of Islam," in practice the actual treatment and social realities of the dhimma under Islamic rule were sometimes better than the written regulations would suggest.[44] In his classic treatise on the principles of Islamic governance, the 11th-century Shafi'i scholar Al-Mawardi divided the conditions attached to ??dhimma?? on top of the requirement to pay tribute into compulsory and desirable. The compulsory conditions included prohibitions on blasphemy against Islam, entering into sexual relations or marriage with a Muslim woman, proselytizing among Muslims, and assisting the enemies of Islam. The desirable conditions included a requirement to wear distinctive apparel, a prohibition to visibly display religious symbols, wine, or pork, ringing church bells, or loudly praying, a requirement to bury dead bodies unobtrusively, and finally, a prohibition on riding horses or camels, but not donkeys.[45] The latter restrictions were largely symbolic in nature and were designed to highlight the inferiority of dhimmis compared to Muslims.

We are not blinded to God's Love for any or ALL. And we await the day His House will be "A House of Prayer for All people"

and the G-d of All, heal this world L-rd. Pour knowledge and understanding into the wounds in our hearts. May we, your children, your creation, come to know your will, and may your will be done. As you appeared to our Father Abraham, appear to us, and shed upon us your light, comfort and protection. Guide us in your path L-rd. Mighty G-d, bring peace upon your city, Jerusalem. Your city has already been restored as a house of prayer for all, Judaism, Xtianity, Islam, all come to praise Your worthy name in Your dwelling place. I now ask of you L-rd to make Jerusalem a light unto all nations, where wolves and sheeps can play, where lions and children can run about in safety, where peace and harmony dwell in Your presence. Bring about an answer to my plea. You hear the plea of Your people, Israel, here mine as a remnent of Your nation. Amen Nephtaly, 22, Pardesiah Israel

Qur'anic verse 9:29 The consensus opinion of Muslim scholars justifies the imposition of tribute on non-Muslims who fall under the Muslim rule in terms of Sura 9:29 of the Qur'an.[28] The verse reads: "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold forbidden that which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued [Arabic: صاغرون 'saghiroon']." [Qur'an 9:29].[29]. The Arabic word saghiroon, appearing at the end of verse [Qur'an 9:29],[30][31], was used to justify the imposition of tribute on non-Muslims who fell under the Muslim rule.[28] The verse is translated slightly differently in three common English-language translations: ([Qur'an 9:29]) ? Yusuf Ali: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. Pickthal: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low. Shakir: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

I am a human being, Maria. Created equal to all others. Life is a beautiful mystery, and our planet earth is a fragile home that cannot be owned by anyone forever. Life is fragile and for a short time. It is something we have taken for granted, killing each other in a way that animals do not behave. As for God's name and who has the right god... please read: "Wikipedia" '99 Names of God in the Qur'an.' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99_Names_of_God_in_the_Qur'an As you see, God is. The Creator of all is surely on a different plane, a Higher way of understanding, that we have not yet achieved. We all walk our own journey, coming into and going out of this world, alone. We are all different but the same. We are all a small part of the Greater. Our deeds on earth are recorded in our own individual 'book.' I hope I have answered your question, Maria. Kind regards.

...With about 60ml of followers, very active in almost every election, evangelicals were and are an extremely potent force. It is great that many activists of evengelical movement are seeing clearly the danger of Islamofascism. They want to stop fundamental Islamism from spreading all over the world. Every method and technique is justified to crush the Islamofascism. It needs to be destroyed in the countries of its birth as well. That plague must be eliminated for good regardless of collateral damage...

and cutting a human being into pieces is------?Hint its not Christians and Jews.

Jews do not go around forcing conversions.

And where was the non-fascist Islamic community members to denounce these barbaric deeds? Just remember that Islam means submission in Arabic... looks like the Isalmic community is behaving like the Italians under Mussolini (Read "The fear of Freedom" by Erich Fromm, if you really want to understand their attitud)

Keep displaying your ignorance.

Moslems have slaughtered plenty of Christians and animists recently in Sudan,Iraq and Lebanon just for starters.

Gina, in the New, Revised, Republican Bible Jesus taught much which the Godless Liberals of the past misquoted. He stated: "Blessed are the Warmongers, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven." He also told the rich kid to "take everything you can from the poor, build up your riches here on Earth, and then you can come with me." Most of all, he taught his followers: "Go unto the Mega-Church, and pray loudly, and repeatedly, so that you may be seen to be praying, and your vanity will be rewarded, as otherwise God will not hear you." Go forth Gina! Teach the world of Jesus, the Prince of War, the redeemer of the rich, and the upholder of the priests and Pharisees, and they supreme warlord of the world. Remember Gina, every Republican knows that the meek deserve what they get; and those who rape, plunder and pillage the meek are beloved of God.

"All extremists are crazy but radical Islam has taken crazy to a new level by killing and turning their religious beliefs into a political death cult." - Jane What about the Christian death cult which has murdered over a million people in Iraq during the last 5 years? That death cult being the Cult of Bush and the Religious Right? I read the bible at an early age. I understand that George and the Religious Right is a profane distortion of the teaching of Christ. I also understand that what Osama bin Laden and the Religious Right Wahabbists are teaching is a perversion of Islam. The question is why should EITHER of those profanities be promoted? Neither radical-right wing Islam or Christianity can actually be "fascist" because to be "fascist" requires that the state, not religion, be the dominant force. Still, the net effect of the religious right of any religion is the same. Death, destruction, suffering, and tyranny.

Someone has screwed with your head, Mary. Please stop and count the many Christian wars and the dead caused by such wars. You could start with Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam, working backwards in time, not forgetting the many colonial invasions... don't forget the manipulated wars caused by colonialism between certain groups of people such as Fatah and Hamas. To be sure Mary, I would just as soon be a bit of dust blowing in the wind than spend the whole of eternity with some of the self righteous so called Christians who claim they are the 'saved.' Cherio.

The need to have a bogyman "other" seems as necessary to so much of the world, especially the Americans, as mother's milk to a baby. But enuff already, when is the panic mongering going to end. That will surely create more hostility, more emnity and war, and the beat goes on.

Political Zionists and Televangelists i.e. Zionist Christians are really one and the same... with out a doubt they have merged to be more or less, one and the same kind of fascist.

"We had laws forbidding murder, theft etc." Those laws were not invented by the Old Testament. Believe it or not even pagans of olden days had laws prohibiting murder and theft. "All this and much more ushered in the enlightenment, which in turn pushed for the separation of state and religion etc." Wrong as usual. Or do you see any countries where a woman is executed for touching a man's genitals (wisdom of the OT)? "While islam still is some thousand and then some years back in mental maturity as compared to the west." I have already stated my opinion on this. " The difference is that islam will never go anywhere. It is proven by reality." Hahaha. It was Islamic civilization that enabled the West to liberate itself from the Dark Age, which the OT and NT have plunged it into. So go back to your little bubble Johnny, give my love to all the OT characters who practice murder, incest, rape and torture. We can can truly learn so much from them and become true sadists.

There are much greater sources to motivate.

"And that is proof of the superiority of the jewish/christian value-based system. The enlightenment happened because our culture, i.e. "old testament" based thinking and ethics made it possible for people to perform experiments, question old believes etc." HAHAHAHAHAHA. At the hight of religious practice of judeo-christian values Europe was drowing in darkness, killig, murder and oppression. Old Testament encourages thinking? sure it does, especially for anybody who is fond of incest, or maybe who is fond of prostitutes (like Samson). Enlightment had NOTHING to do with the Old Testament. The Old Testament contains exactly those things the Enlightenment sought to abolish: cruelness, violence, human stupidity etc. On the other hand: at the hight of ISLAMIC civilisation science, culture, art and knowledge were flourishing.

Regarding post #4...Now I know you are a certified lunatic....

Jesus died for all individual sins, including Adam's original sins. once the root of original sin get into Adam, it was been pass on to all mankind the moment we are born, the moment our mind started to know things, even a baby can sin in stubborness, in wilfulness, a mere 3 years old can really sin. G-d gave us a free will to choose in HIS DESIGN of human consicousness, and we will always choose not to believe what HE said in HIS WORD. the tomb is empty which meant CHRIST in heaven, conquered death for us, that we can have hope and look forward to enjoy HIM in heaven. Miss, i don't aim for "eternal happiness, eternal life" in heaven, if G-D isn't there, i also don't want to go heaven. Savvy, heaven is beautiful because HE IS THERE. christians are not making all these up to yearn for long life, we simply discover the ETERNAL LOVE OF OUR LIFE, WHO LOVED US DEARER THAN ANY ON EARTH. toda, haaretz, pl pl pl post.

19 Muslim jihadists did 911.

$89 million in the US this year.

"For G-D so loved the WORLD, that HE gave HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, that WHOSOEVER believeth in HIM should not perish but have EVERLASTING LIFE." JOHN3:16. miss Maureen, we are talking about different DEATH, Shekinah's spiritual death that last forever which the millions children still under it bondage, and your physical death which immediately follow by appearing before their Creator. Millions of arab children died of wars, because of the foolishness of parents choosing to follow warmongers, and using some of them as human shields, living among rocket launchers... a very sad case! These children, cum parents are already spiritually dead, if you really care, get them vote a better leader that allow religious rights, and allow missionaries to preach to them gospels, saved them from eternal spiritual death. while loving the jews, our mother church support missionaries in Bethlehem, Jordan, we care for their souls. pl post, Haaretz. toda.

That verse may be "bloody", but it has nothing perverse sexually connected to it. "But keep ALIVE for yourselves" is not from the hebrew text. What it says is that those are to be spared, i.e. not killed. They are not taken captive for sexual use. When you reference other passages, I do not know what your goal is in this context, but it's a good thing you read the bible.

if you love Jesus very much,how come you're not a follower of Him.how come you don't call yourself a christian.I got you, indrajaya.I think you have loved the wrong jesus.think on this.

"...that same world developed and became enlightened as soon as it separated Christianity/Judaism from its politics, rule, science and culture". If we take away the culture-part from your statement, you are right. And that is proof of the superiority of the jewish/christian value-based system. The enlightenment happened because our culture, i.e. "old testament" based thinking and ethics made it possible for people to perform experiments, question old believes etc. We had laws forbidding murder, theft etc. All this and much more ushered in the enlightenment, which in turn pushed for the separation of state and religion etc. You see the beauty of it all? While islam still is some thousand and then some years back in mental maturity as compared to the west. The difference is that islam will never go anywhere. It is proven by reality.

Those words written centuries ago. Non of it is being practice today. In fact you have many versions of thr bible. THe Quaran has never been brought up today. Read the messages it sends its ok to kill those that do not pray to Allah

wrong evangelists......that's why you're deceived?

of your koran?your prophet and his assistants corrupted our holy bible.adam,a giant?ismael was a baby when he was cast out of canaan?ishamel was sacrificed instead of isaac?how could it be?when ishmael was kicked out of the promised land he was already 13 or 14 years old.

Just repeating what the Vatican said. As for Evangelicals, some are as loony as the looniest of the left and some aren't. What has my statement to do with FOX?

islam is destroying america,maureen ann.americans especially aclu welcome muslims.islam is taught in american public schools now,but christianity is not welcome in public schools.in some states,passing out tracts and other christian literatures is illegal.the name Jesus is hated in america,but allah , muhammad,islam are acceptable.who destroy america,maureen ann?not the evangelists.

I'll take the Evangelicals and their values over those of the leftist intellectuals any day. Evangelicals have the moral clarity and wisdom to clearly identify and fight evil, especially with regard to Islamofascism. The leftist intellectuals have invested many of the humanities and social sciences with moral relativism and confusion--i.e. don't make any moral judgments, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, America and Israel are the real terrorists. And their guru, Noam Chomsky, has had close associations with holocaust deniers and neo-Nazis, and has been an apologist for every totalitarian regime from the Soviet Union to Pol Pot's Cambodia. I'm far more afriad of what I see going on at many American Universities than of anything happening in the Evangelical community. The greater threat to freedom comes from the Israel-bashing, elitist, totalitarian, morally relativistic left, who condemn devout Christians but defend Muslim honor killings--to avoid cultural hegemony!

can you give us some information on this?

A "true Christian" ACCORDING TO YOU believes in the TALMUD and supports Israel and GIVES PLENTY OF $$$$$. Do you support Israel? Pat Roberson would say without hesitation and with a cheque to fund more land-theft: Yes, Sir, I love you until my Christ will bome back and then you'll pay dearly for all the millions I lost! HAHAHA!!

Madame Hillary issuing an executive order for Burkhas? You folks better start thinking. Sharia law is no joke. The politics of Islam is to take over the whole show. Evangelicals are imperfect, but surely a better option than socialist, left-leaning politicos who ignored the problem in Europe. Wake up!

how did America allow this nightmare to happen? by OBEYING AIPAC's instructions and bribes. Genuine American should wake up and free America from Christian-Jewish zionism.

You are very confused. You claimed Jews are Nazi, now you say EVENGELISTS. See what happins when you dont take medicine, Lets see if thid gets printed

I have always wondered about the Israeli God-land-thef myth. Your comment and references are very useful. I have to get LaRondelle's book.

Respect? What kind of culture created those beheaders?

"Now therefore KILL every male among the little ones, and KILL every woman that hath known man by lying with him. "But keep ALIVE for yourselves all the GIRLS and all the women who are VIRGINS." NUMBERS 31:17-18 "And the Jews salvaged for themselves 32,000 virgins, verse 35 see and verse 40. But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shall save alive NOTHING that BREATHES. DEUTERONOMY 20:16 'And they (the Jews) UTTERLY DESTROYED all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, ox and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword " JOSHUA 6:21 "He (Joshua) let NONE remain alive." Joshua 10:28

Part 2 "The islam value-based world is exceedingly underdeveloped, stuck in old ways, unsuccessfull in anything it attempts to do, except createing havoc and hell." of course. the 'judeoi-christian' world was colonized, its resources were being stole, dictators put in place to rule...ohh hang on that is the Muslims world. But i do must admit that we are also to be blamed for the current situation: instead of complaining we should be part of the solution. if you can blame Islam for the backwardness of Muslims, you can surely blame Christianity/Judiasm for the dark age (MIddle ages). " This means that the "old testament" is a good, and koran is not." sorry do you seriously believe incest stories have somehow helped the West? or slaughter of entire nations? hmmmmm

PART 1 "You seem to want to tell us that the "old testament" is bloody and hateful." well unless you are blind you won't see it. "And at the same time that the koran is a nice little thing." i am sorry it doesn't contain rape, murder and incest, maybe then you would like it. "By judging from the actions and the current status of the peoples who have followed the two belief systems the result is clear to see." Ohh really? Maybe I should also pick the worst of Jews and Christians and make them into the example for both religious groups and for both religions? what do you say? "The jewish/christian value-based world is exceedingly developed, enlightened and successfull in all ways it can be measured." that same world developed and became enlightened as soon as it separated Christianity/Judaism from its politics, rule, science and culture.

How about giving some proof and how you got it. Until then it will be hard for an idividual to believe you.

who is instructing Christian zionists and who is electing next US war criminal? response: AIPAC and related org. Let's see how many submissive speeches done by Christian zionist at Jewish American conferences and how many paid visits to Israel ? Israel struggle scheme: to keep US working blindly for its interests and wars against its ennemies, and paying for it $$$$$ !

Jesus isn't the only one who was sacrificed for the sins of others... we should be focusing on the millions of innocent civilians (especially children) being sacrificed because of the greed of various warmongering leaders. They also pay the ultimate price. Getting back to Jesus, do you believe he died for 'our' individual sins or for the original 'sin' committed by Adam and Eve? If you believe in the latter, do you also believe God was incompetent in his design of the human consciousness? Did Jesus die on a cross/post? Remember the tomb was empty... why must we be so bound to materialism that we believe in the literal resurrection of our earthly body? Why fear separation of body and spirit? My comments are not intended to be judgmental of your personal belief Shekinah. My belief in the historical Jesus as an inspired Jew/prophet/ reformer, has brought more meaning than the Bible story of Jesus death and resurection. Kind regards.

How can you analize antything with a rigit and narrow mind, its almost like a nouse in a cage. Was watching Tv and saw a cripeled and other sick people become well instantly with thousands of people watching, is this fraud and brain washing?

You are no better than the islofamicists that we are trying to defeat.Why don,t you talk about how to make peace in Israel.Northern Ireland has peace.Is that not what you want for Israel. Frankly ,you are getting Israel a bad name.Why don,t you post elswhere.

Just what I needed: Another article to corroborate my long-lasting belief that all religious fanatics are a danger to peace. And I don't see a basic difference between Christian, Jewish and Muslim fanatics.

plsd to see you remember you are still in the school yard... so tell me what r yr life's achievements LOL. anybody who cant see the danger to christian civilisation from these islamist loons is quite clearly mentally challenged.

of Jewish innocents. Israel gave Egypt the Sinai in exchange for a worthless piece of paper - a peace agreement. The bloody "peace" that Egypt gives Israel: YNETNEWS 04.18.06 Tel Aviv attack. 'There will be more' Egyptian paper praises Tel Aviv bombing State-controlled Al Gomhuria calls Monday's suicide bombing 'sacrificial, martyrdom attack,' warns more attacks to follow Associated Press An Egyptian state-controlled newspaper praised Monday's suicide attack in Tel Aviv, which killed nine people and wounded dozens, calling it an act of sacrifice and martyrdom. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3241041,00.html The deployment of Egypt's military on Israel's border at the invitation of Israeli leaders is astonishing and treasonous. M.K. Steinitz stated: Egyptian military "has been training for war against Israel for the past 10 years."

gaddafhi.he supplied them with weapons to kill innocent protestants while they trained his killers who planted bombs all over europe.

I wonder how many of the 40 social conservatives that insist the U.S. stay in Iraq have sons or daughters serving in Iraq? My guess is zero. Easy to advocate when somebody else is paying for it . . .

Nick it is time for you to come home. wherever that may be. You have been a ferang for too long. I find it absurd that you have come to equate Islamic fundametalist actions with those of the evangelicals. I understand that a simple mind likes to make comparisons between groups that seem logical. But to make the equation between the two in this case is disengenuous and simply stupid on your part. Evangelical women work, gays are not lynched, the issue today is same sex marriage, not lynching or tarring and feathering as Hamas does. The rest of your list is imagined and garbage. I enjoy a good debate but when faced with someone as blind as you are I can only plead that you keep away from the Mekong. Kop gun my kup baby.

More of your "Schoolyard Analysis".

You are gonna be tarred and feather for that notion, just like Rosie O'Donnell. Idiots don't even want to admit the project exists. You exclude Dubya, do you? Well, I dunno about that. People speaking about these issues don't seem to exclude him. Regards.

Muslims complaining about persecution when they are butchering christians, hindus, non-muslims and other muslims throughout the world is perverted. Now either you have no knowledge of what is going on from Nigeria, Algeria, Darfur, Somalia all the way through Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan to Pakistan, Kashmir, Bagladesh, southern Thailand,Indonesia, Phillipines, Xinjiang etc.... or you do but are just hypcrites. So choose, it is either ignorance or hypocrisy.

Yosemite: Are you sure that Muslim did that? Don't our wars in Afghnistan, Iraq, agitating political instabilityb in Lebanon, Palestenian in-fighting make you wonder that Cheney and bunch may have orchestrated the mass killings and destruction in New York and Washington? The 9/11 was a crime against America committed by American element of the New Centuary Project, under the nose of this idiot occuppying the White House.

...and the Left has sold its soul to the devil. They support radical Islamic causes and groups that are, at their core, mysoginistic, anti-gay, anti-semitic, and anti-democratic. So Ms. Durson, there is no shortage of hypocrisy among your friends who will kiss anybody's ass to gang up on Israel.

Roci Stone posts an excellent and well articulated response. Thank you for being truthful about Islam and our neocons' fantasy with it. I cannot agree more that our great nation is losing it's great status because of few thugs whio wear religion on their sleeves.

What percent of conflicts to day involve Muslims? Too politically incorrect to ask? Nothing wrong with questioning other groups is there? Israel and Jews get a daily bucketting right here daily. /

Lynn, have you ever lived in the Middle East, or, in a Muslim country? I have while working for own US Gov't in three different countries. If not, get your facts straight and do not listen to too much FOX, Boortz and Hannity. They are liars, and in fact, damaging our interests in the Middle East. These media hores are nothing but thugs who would care less about innocent Arabs, Jews and Americans. wake up babe, like many people here I know that need to do so before it is too late. The Evangelicals are destroying the foundations of our nation and it's constitutional pillars.

Rich is very articlaute. Please explain Blah, Blah, Blah for me. I have been trying to get an explanation, but everyone I called thought that I was stupid.

Hey Rich in Yuuu Kaaay, you must have been deported from one of those rich and welcoming Arab countries to be so angry with them. Strapping bombs to their waist, is in doubt an act of terror and should never be justified. However, have you ever wonderedf why these hopeless people are becoming criminals/terrorists? 60 years in generational miseries, under the brutal occupation of the Israeli Defence (attack) forces that is resulting in the killing of both, Arabs and Jews.

Atta boy, Mark Lincoln. Could not have said it in any better way. Those criminals who sell Jesus everytime they shoot off their mouths are the real enemies of Jesus, Christianity and tyhe world. They are God's warlords. May Robertson, Bauer, Coulter, Hannity, Ingrahm and the rest of the bandit be dammned. Hell-Liluiah

Tess, very well said. Afraid however that the Evangelical movement already inflicted the damage to humanity. They are always looking for an enemy.

For all your lopsided rhetoric, you can't deny That tens of millions of legal and illegal immigrants, including Muslims and Arabs escaping from Islamic butchers and Islamic Sharia Law, choose to make the United States their home and residence, while the notion of tens of millions fleeing to Saudi Arabia, Iran, Gaza and the likes is not true, is it? You can't deny that there are almost as innumerable as the ocean more mosques in the United States than there are churches and synagogues in those Islamic countries that operate under their fascist ideals, can you?

Christianity has repented for the ugliness in the treatment of Jews. Thank God they realized the wrongs and injustices done to Jewish peoples based on a religious bias.

and cultures, but you don't need to know them to understand that militant Islam is a form of fascism. You just need to be courageous enough to open your eyes and to think by yourself. From its beginning, Islam is mixed with politics, military, blackmail, lies, violence, and despise for those who are not muslims (read the Koran, and pay attention ; and note there's no context in the Koran text to help readding "from a distance"), or not "muslim enough"... It's not an ordinary religion. Christians made slaughters too, but that was against their Holy Scriptures. Jews don't wish to convert and spread around. Only Islam is such a problem to humanity.

dear Ivar, "And it shall come to pass, that every one of that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD OF hosts, and to keep the FEAST of TABERNACLES." zachariah 14:16. the jews will take central stage in the last days when a majority will accept JESUS as their Saviour. while sending our missionaries to all other nations in world, even to arabs in Jordan, Bethelehem... we are reaching and love our other neighbours, WE MUST NOT FORGET OUR JEWISH FRIENDS, AND OBEY WHAT THE BIBLE PROMISED, TO GO TO ISRAEL WHICH GOD SINGLE-HANDED BROUGHT TOGETHER AGAIN TO TELL JEWS THE GOOD NEWS! loving the jews is obey the BIBLE, while still reaching to other nations! toda, Haaretz, pl post my final of 3 posts.

The epithet 'Islamo-facism' was coined by the arch Neo-conservative Norman Podhoretz and Quickly adopted by the current government, the Christian fundamentalists and the right wing pro-Israel 'Judeo-Christian' crowd. I do not lose sleep over Islamo-fascists. I worry about an ex senator cardiothoracic surgeon who believes a 15 year comatose individual with a squarrel-sized brain is not brain dead. Or, a Republican homosexual preeching the word of God against homosexuals. Or,Fundamentalist leader pinning the 911 attack on Godlessness and the moral decay of the US. Or, the undisguised goal of these Bible thumping crowd believe in the great rupture and the mass conversion of the Jews or else. I worry about these fascists threatenenig the mind and soul of the US.

All extremists are crazy but radical Islam has taken crazy to a new level by killing and turning their religious beliefs into a political death cult. Let's face it extremist Christians and Jews are just one step from doing the same thing. We have had medical clinics blown up and doctors murdered for performing abortions and Israel does have Jewish extremists like Baruch Goldstein and Kahanna who would murder for religio-political gain. Radical Islam is the topic of attention because they attacked the US and murdered 3000 innocent people. If they had kept their insane practices within their own countries Islamofascism would not be such a hot topic.They forced Americans to go deeper into their beliefs than anyone ever wanted to because when you look into it radical Islam only gets scarier and more bizarre.Jim Jones X 1 billion.

brother, i really hope you don't take this as a personal attack. i used to read alot of theological books, tons of commentaries, i work in the library anyway. But i realised men do contradict each other and make mistakes, no matter how excellent a theologan produced a previous work, you can't take every word he said as the ultimate reference. so i put aside all other Calvin, Buswell,... back to pure perfect Bible! so your #45 is well said, thus i know you are a brother in Christ. i am still a learner, dare not say i know my Bible well, all by the grace of G-D! G-D BLESS. Toda, Haaretz, do post it pl.

Sir, "..Ye shall not see me henceforth till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord." requote your quote, Matt23:39. Brother, ye have emphazised much on v.37-38's rebuting, but overlooked the not-so hidden prohecy of Israel returning to her L-RD OF V.39. also have you quoting a long overwhelming list of "theologians". yes, men are still punny men who make mistakes, why not return to e Bible, stop quoting from good fallible men but from G-D HIMSELF! READ JEREMIAH 31-33, ISAIAH 49,51-53, ZECHARIAH, ROMANS 11, REVELATION ENTIRE CHAP 7 is talking about literally "tribes of the children of Israel", jews will be at the congretation in Heaven. alot of these jews will come out of the nation Israel too! don't spiritualize "Israel" into "church". Care to quote which verse say Christ or Paul "put an everlasting terminal to Israel",remember don't quote men, quote from G-D!! TODA, HAARETZ. PLEASE POST!

Don't forget the main point of Islam: "KILL INFIDELS" It is what is really important.

And it shall come to pass that a man from the country of EEran shall hold a cartoon competition and Yeah they shall gather from the four corners of the earth and the winner shall be the one who can draw the biggest nose since this is the mark of the Antichrist. Fear ye all for the day of reckoning is nigh. Once I was on the path towards the light and behold in front of my eyes I saw the outline of a woman and could not help but have my way with her. I have sinned but I repent each day and pray that my salary will be returned and that gold will again fill my Palatial houses. May the Lord protect you all and make you as rich as a Mullah(Shnorrer in Yiddish: refer to Clickfool's definition))

There is nothing like the Zionists and neocons blaming the radical Islamists for the trouble they are stirring up occupying their land and violation their rights and international law. What a Joke! No one I know is falling for this public farce of theirs. People felt it was another awareness piece that just got in their way. Dutch

We are making it through. Our agents are these so called evangelicals and their blind faith.

Ted, even us here in rural America are getting sick and tired of all the empty propaganda from sources like whatever you read. Two of my kids live in Muslim countries and are treated way better than what a Bush Corporate America will treat them. Quit repeating liessssssss. You and Robertson of yours

Evangelicals are not necessarily my cup of tea, but at least they do not have thirty wives, as is reported of the king of saud. You are right that he has been on a tour of Europe, pushing his agenda, whatever that might be. He flew into Berlin with eleven planes, one containing a hospital. p.s. source: der spiegel, which also has an interesting, and frankly, a frightening story about bosnia.

And that excuses the Muslims? I hardly think so. Taking responsibility for their own degradations would be a first step in the right direction. One of the best first steps would be to stop lynching gays and stop honor killing and stoning women.

Don't forget: Pat Robertson, one of the leading Evangelicals, is part of AIPAC, the warmonger organisation with Cheney as its honor member. Nazis? Translate the word and you get close to "fundamentalism". Whatever fundamentalism!!! Maureen Ann, I am with you! There are too many religious fundamentalists on this world, the very reason for all the wars.

As always, the great Winston is right on the mark. He really had impressive powers of observation and analysis. In particular, his remarks about women are incontrevertable.

we will all be interested in which ones you support or otherwise?

Saudis have invested half a billion euros, and have buitl 150 mosques in Bosnia, in their quest to spread Wahabism. Radical clerics and their supporters have engaged in intimidation of traditional mosques. Although Iran is an immediate problem for now, the Sunni fanatics are just as dangerous in their attempt to spread their influence and impose their way of life on the West. Anywhere that the Saudis get a foot hold, they will buy their way into power.

Yeah. Right. Americans detest sex before marriage and women in the workplace. What planet are you from?

blah blah blah, you are an infidel , dont overcomplicate everything cos it has confused you. radical islam wants you dead or muslim....wake up

Muslims are not the new Jews. Jews never waged Jihad, never strapped bombs to their bodies etc. Go live in a muslim neighbourhood or country, then a Jewish neighbourhood or Israel.... that'll stop u from blah blah.

Not to be rude, but, in those predominately Muslim countries, Islam runs the gov. through the clerics. All of government and people's lives are controlled by Islam. Pretty much sounds facist to me.

Has there ever been two groups that deserve each other more: Christian fundamentalists, who consider Jews to be born of the devil, and Zionists, who consider Christians the devil themselves.

Dear Fox, I read your post with some amusement. Let me remind you of some of the things you criticise Muslims for: 1. detesting sex before marriage 2. being against women in the work place 3. lynching gays 4. treating non co-religionists as second class citizens 5. aiming for world domination 6. declaring holy war on infidels Which of these has not been norm in the US within the last 100 years? I can?t think of one. Hypocrisy is one word that springs to mind; along with self-righteousness, and humbug. Regards

ld are drugs! religion comes into that category so the speed of growth does not measure its evil effect ! islam has a record of 1400 years of bloodshed , apartheid ,slavery , terrorism ,forced conversions, honour killings etc at a rate no other religion can match ! that is why todays reaction against it is so great !

In answer to your points, yes evangelicals are not hip to teenagers having sex, but there fathers to do not kill their daughters to protect the honor of the family name. Islam is a relgion, sure why not. Liberalism and Leftism are western inventions, yes the west does invent. They may be somewhat detested by the evangelicals but once again they are not killed for their beliefs, unlike in Islam. As or the Pope, I am trying to remember when he issued a fatweh against adults having sex? Islam certainly detests women in the workplace, unless the oxen have fallen ill & the boys need someone to pull the plough. Pbuh, the wife, was she the nine year old one? As for Ovadia's daughters, I would suspect they work yes, as for his sons that is a different story. Gays in Jerusalem marched, it might not have made the relgious Jews, Moslems and Christians happy, but the state insured their right, and yes they did march. "you should talk!" you cried, and thus I have spoken.

Most people are nice. But if they become a terrorist or go to war that becomes a different story. We were attacked by Muslim terrorists on 9/11.

Some people are so stuck in irrelvant modes of thought that they blame evangelical Christians for problems in American society that are in fact due to an overemphasis on technical reason and knowledge. So far as evangelical Christians, however imperfectly, SOMETIMES see the deficiencies of that kind of America, they are opening up (or reaffirming) ways in which to redress the balance between technical and moral reason. Of course, all too often the evangelicals themselves are guilty of a conformity which sees acquiring objective indicators of technical competence in American society as an end in itself, but in that they are certainly not alone; at their best, they see deficiences in the purely technical vision of American society that other Americans do not see.

You seem to want to tell us that the "old testament" is bloody and hateful. And at the same time that the koran is a nice little thing. By judging from the actions and the current status of the peoples who have followed the two belief systems the result is clear to see. The jewish/christian value-based world is exceedingly developed, enlightened and successfull in all ways it can be measured. The islam value-based world is exceedingly underdeveloped, stuck in old ways, unsuccessfull in anything it attempts to do, except createing havoc and hell. This means that the "old testament" is a good, and koran is not.

The chief element that dehumanizes life in America is not the religion of evangelicals but the overemphasis on technical reason (the type of knowledge with which we design computers or study the structure of DNA) and the lack of emphasis on practical or moral reason (the type of knowledge, or wisdom, of, among other things, how ethically to use that technical knowledge). (Bellah et al., The Good Society, Knopf, 1991, p. 44). Education, then, becomes primarily a means through which to acquire technical knowledge, and once education is so debased, "Life in this paradigm is a competitive race to acquire the objective markers (College Boards, GPA, LSAT, advanced degree, entry into the right organization, promotion to higher positions)." (p. 43).

The Christiofascists of America are the threat to the United States.

There is no reason not to know, it's readily available on the internet. Just read their scriptures and their tales. Listen to their imams, listen to their followers, watch their actions. It is only the oblivious fool who don't understand.

"A true Human Being is decent and supports Israel. " again read a book in your case .... any history book will do

Assorted western religious nuts seem to be gagging for a re-run of the Crusdades and an old-fashioned religious war against Islam. Jews should be careful of supporting such a war, because extreme Christians may start by targetting Muslims, but they could easily move onto Jews as well. It's like Ann Coulter, extreme Christians don't really respect Jews. They like them better than Muslims and maybe moderate Christians, but they don't like them ansything like as much as other extreme Christians. A better way to beat extreme Islam is to emphasise the western, secular tradition of respect for individuals and individual freedom where people are free to do what they want as long as they do not hurt others. A lot of young Muslims would like a life where they are free to listen to music, date members of the opposite sex, or same sex, and generally enjoy their lives. I don't see many of them clamouring to become extreme Christians.

When you say He never died you call Him, Jesus, a liar. He would then be from hell, according to John 8. You do not as Muslims revere the Jesus of the Bible, but what Paul in 2 Corinthians 11, ANOTHER Jesus. Either Jesus lies or Islam lies, you cannot have it both ways. May you come to know the true Jesus who laid His life down for you, Indrajaya.

the right hand of God the Father, sharing His throne as the only Lamb of God? The only One worthy? As the Word of God incarnate who died for the sins of the repentant man? Showing this world that it is God's Word that is our only salvation and that there is no need to fear God as King. God is the only One worthy, the only One able. Our ruler will not be one man over the other, our Ruler will be God over ALL.

Evangelicals are the fastest growing Christian movement in the USA. There are several reasons for it. First, if you accept literally one line out of the Bible, no matter what you do, you are going to heaven. (Harkens back to the days when the Church told believing peasants they could pay their way to heaven). Next, many Churches have changed their teachings about Jews and Muslims. Instead of condemning, they emphasize the things that are like and encourage dialogue. Those not ready to accept this, are leaving the Churches doing these things. Last, these Churches are about fun: esteem building lectures, Christian rock music, and many of extracurricular activities. I pray for both our sakes that you are right, and American voters are smart enough to see through this. Salaam

Arab Christians are a diminishing community that are kept in constant fear by their Muslim neighbors. They're running for their lives. And I'm proud to generalize. A true Human Being is decent and supports Israel. I suppose the book you want me to read is the Koran? No thanks.

the POWER of LOVE.

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome. -- Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 [London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899]).

"A "true Christian" believes in the bible and supports Israel. Do you support Israel?" lol.... so the vast majority of arab Christians are not "true christians" .... wow talk about generalizations .... How is that different from "a true German is ...." or even a true Human is ...." read a book...

New Testament Judeo-Christians in the decades following the crucifixion of Jeshua based their entire faith upon the Jewish Scriptures, aka "The Old Testament". Today's biblical scholars, theologians, can find adequate support in the Old Testaent for every Christian belief and doctrine. Christ brought NOTHING new in the New Testament. Even the New Covenant was the Abrahamic covenant freighted with promise of a Messiah for all humanity. Jews were merely chosen missionaries to carry it out.

...Islam has already demonized the Christian belief by denying the death of Yeshua ha Massiach.... Islam doesn't demonize Jesus, only put him in a little different respectable place than Christian. We love him very much, we won't demonize him even a second in our lives as muslims.

If you go back 50 or 60 years, liberals, communists, and Jews were the targets of the American evangelicals. They still hate liberals and communists, but have come to love Jews and hate the enemies of Jews. How has that come about? Money, of course. If Iran decided to pony up enough money, these immoral parasites would change their tune in a heartbeat. The fact is that the evangelicals have lost almost all of the influence they had gained under the Reagan administration. Nobody cares what they say anymore. It isn't even news.

"Islam detests Liberalism & the left. They detest teenagers having sex, they detest women in the work-place, gays are to be murdered ..." Islam is a religion, Liberalism & the left are western inventions that are most detested by the Chrisitan Evangelists! Are you saying that Chrisitanity & Judaism DO NOT "detest teenagers having sex"??? Don't let the Pope hear you because he detests adults having sex! Islam does not detest "women in the work-place"! The Prophet's wife (pbuh) is the first Muslim business woman. Does Ovadia Yossef allow his wife or daughters to work? Yes, I see how welcome are gays in Jerusalem. You should talk!

not due to a common enemy. We will be united due to a common Love.

Last Friday, 9th Novemebr, was the 69th anniversary of Kristallnacht, when close to 200 synagogues were destroyed in Germany and Austria, Jewish business were ransacked, Jews were murdered and humilaited and thousands arrested and sent to concentration camps where some 2,000 were tortured to death within days. The world reacted with shock, but no real action, and the Nazis discovered they could move on to the final solution with impunity. That terrible night marks the start of the Holocaust. That terrible anniversary receives no mention in Israeli media, is ignored by goverment, President, and educators of the Jewish State. Haaretz itself did not mention it except in reports about events abroad - it is a nauseating irony that we needed the Czech Neonazis to reminded us of this portentous event in our history.

We are not defending either Christian, Muslim, or Jewish religious fanaticism here. There is plenty of murderous delusion to go around for everyone, engough rotting albatross meat to hang around each one's neck. What we ARE addressing, in response to the subject article, is terrorist tactics on the part of US Christian Zionists, become zombies to their Darbyist-dispensationalist corrupt Biblical interpretation of Modern Istrael as being the continuation of Ancient Israel, ignoring both Biblical and historical realities. These self-styled "Christians" are far from Christian principles, particularly "love thy neighbor", and "blessed are the peacemakers". Both Christ and Paul put an everlasting termination to Israel as it was known in the Bible, which is in no way today's Israel. This is not to denigrate the latter, but to accept Israel into the fold of all nations on earth, no better, no worse in principle. But fanaticism makes Christians, Jews, and Muslims definitely worse!

"A "true Christian" believes in the bible and supports Israel. Do you support Israel?" Which Bible? The Old or the New? And how can a centuries old book support a modern entity? Jesus came to save all mankind. He would NEVER support one side over the other! He taught us that "turning the other cheek" is the best way to gain the love of your enemy - NOT bombing them from the sky, or torturing them in Guantanamo!

...explain me why all modern conflicts and wars have muslims involved .... We didn't kill Jews in WW2. Who killed 15.000 muslims (including women and children) in Srebrenica in 1995 in a blink of an eyes and the perpetrators are still free somewhere in Europe? PS: do you really believe that 13.000 native germany who converted to Islam last year were really being forced to conver to Islam?.

Theodor when you allegely read the Koran you did not come across chapter 109 or verse 2:256? No of course not, your mind simply went blank while you read it. "God as portrayed in the quran is blood-thirsty and brutal." ohh really you could be confusing it with the wonderful Old Testament where women and children are brutally murdered, and young virgin girls are raped, daughters have incest with their father, who than give birth to incest bastards, which later on either become great prophets or are featured in the geneology of Jesus. Inspiring book! you mentioned Bosnia? ever hear of Srebrenica or concentration camps where Muslims were tortured and killed? no of course not ignorance is truly bliss for some.

religion in the world because it FORCES people to convert. what would you do: let yourself killed or convert to islam??? Islam is a religion of war, against everybody that is not muslim. I read the quran and it made me sick. it is contradictory, insane, brutal and morally corrupt. mohammed is no prophet he just used his "religion" to conquer the arabian peninsula. I refuse to accept that Allah, the God of the muslims, is the God of all worlds. I refuse to believe that God as portrayed in the quran is blood-thirsty and brutal. Islam is the greatest danger to modern-day security. Face it. Can anybody explain me why all modern conflicts and wars have muslims involved when islam is such a "peaceful " religion?? chechnya, kosovo,bosnia,kashmir, phillipines, indonesia, 9/11, london madrid attacks support Israel for it is the only democratic nation in the middle east. Shalom

To see how the term is thrown around at all levels of conservative government, particularly in the United States and Israel, shows how vigilant a true democrat must be. Rubble raising populists who cloak themselves in a mantle of pious self-righteousness are the first point finger any group from which they can gain political benefit. In many ways, these fringe Christian and Neo-Con radicals are closer to the object of their scrutiny than they will ever realise!!

God knows his own, but as for the Darbyist-dispensationalist US Christian Zionist Right, Jesus Himself spoke the following words in Matthew 7: 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

As usual we hear from the known charaters in this forum, all spewing their own line, paying no attention to the article. This is all pretty straight-forward. christianity is doing the I-Ching thing, seeking balance. It was not the Christians that called for Holy War, but skirt wearing mis-fits and jingoists like Indrajaya & his Islamic facists-terrorist heroes. Indy who only parrots the thoughts of many of his friends, wears Islam like a flag (burning). Islam detests Liberalism & the left. They detest teenagers having sex, they detest women in the work-place, gays are to be murdered, Jews and Christians to be "dhimmis", second class citizens protected from Moslems for their belief in the ONE-GOD. That anybody would be surprised by both Christianity and Judaism reacting to this attempt at world Islamic colonization is a wonder to me. Wake up folks, read Indy, read the Islamic websites, they are not ashamed to be a pack of blood-thirsty imperialist racists, but proud

A "true Christian" believes in the bible and supports Israel. Do you support Israel?

No one with any brains, or any faith, will swallow this ridiculous concept. The very "buzzword" itself is artificially constructed from two ideas which are in absolute opposition to one another. Islam is one of the world's great Religions. It's very name is submission to the will of God, Fascism is a system of Government makes a false god out of the State. No one who follows to teachings of Islam would ever combine them with any system of Government which is opposed to Islam. Therefore, we can see that the idea embodied in 'Islamofascism' is fatally flawed from its very foundation. It does serve yet another insidious purpose for the reactionary Right wing of America. It is a "wrapper" into which ISLAMOPHOBIA can be placed and successful sold to a people who will accept someone else's ideas rather than thinking and discovering the truth for themselves. You must forgive America. We have become a sad and sorry Nation of labels and brands rather than principals and free thinking. Roci

"There is no squabble between Christianity, Judaism and Islam. Islam recognizes both religions as heavenly religions." Unfortuneatly Haaretz did not put my last reply to you. I will mellow it. There is nothing in common between Christianity and Islam. Islam recocognises a 'Christianity' that does not exist, ie one that believes that Jesus did not die. Islam categorically rejects my beliefs in the death of the Jewish Messiah. I would say there is reason to 'squabble'. If this type of nonsence was said about Islam all hell would break loose.

Don't forget the Hindus in India ( a billion strong) who also stand on the side of Jews and Christians against Islamo-fascism. The Muslims destroyted their holy sites and built Mosques on top just like they did in Central Europe and Israel and Turkey etc. There is no concept of pluralism or live and let live in their lexicon.Lok at Saudia where a non-Muslim is forbidden to pray or expres any religious act. Whereas most of the worlds great Religions (Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Budhism, etc. etc.) are making major strides toward liberal policies vis-a vis other religions and there own women, Islam is moving the other way. All the politically correct propaganda for western ears won't change what they say in their own language to their own people. A disaster.

"Evangelical Christians are wonderful, righteous people who have the moral clarity to understand the threat we face." If Televangelist Pat Robertson, the icon of Evangelism, represents "moral clarity" to you, then your brand of morality is NOT what Christ preached to his followers! Had he been "righteous" or "moral" he would not be spending his time convincing poor Christian Americans to give him their money! He would not be living such a luxurious life while his fellow American Christians in Appalachia which he dosn't know exists! Those phoney Christians love to pile up money, enjoy the good life, cheat on their wives, and do everything that Christ himself would find very immoral and unChristian! The 700 Club sounds, and acts more, like a Las Vegas Casino and not a Christian church!

I agree with you regarding the abominable money preachers, including Brian Houston. But your comparing Evangelical Christians to Nazi's is hardly worthy of comment. If it is in referencing the TV men as killers of believers, you need remember that their followers desire their earthly promises, 2 Timothy 4:3 and are in no way to be confused with those who love the truth.

Islam has already demonized the Christian belief by denying the death of Yeshua ha Massiach. Islam hardly needs help from the outside it does a pretty good job on its own. Please remember the golden rule. If you want to spare your earthly life do not leave Islam. If you want eternal life Jesus shed his blood for your sin, and you need to repent.

The Republican Party's politicians have shamelessly preyed on the average American's fear of terror since 9-11, but now Giuliani, Romney and the others have outdone themselves - they have taken on the role of "Crusaders" with their fear tactics about Muslims. As a result, they have validated Bin Laden's claims that the Americans' purported aim to bring freedom and democracy to the ME is a sham and that their true goal is to attempt to eradicate Islam. The idiot Bush and his Republican cohorts will say and do anything to advance their interests with no regard to consequences - how did America allow this nightmare to happen?

I could not agree with you more regarding the corrupt tele-evangelists. They are an abomination. Once again we need to be clear on the term 'chrisian'. You shall know them by their fruit. Period. Brian Houston included.

One more month till The Kite Runner. The Muslim guy who wrote that book was a creative genius. Even every single common White Anglo Saxon Protestant or Catholic Person that I ever came across that read it, loved that book. Fortunately for you guys, I'm not a spoiler. But pretty soon you'll see... Jews, Christians, Muslims, and other denomications all on the same side. Pretty soon, we'll have a common enemy. Hanoi Dane and his buddies. I hate them but we need them around to point at and show the kiddies what real scum looks like.

If you want to make Islam grows stronger, please DEMONIZE it. It already being demonized for 1428 years since its follower was only 1 (Mohammad wife of Khadijah). What has been happening since then? In 2007, its followers are no less than 1.200.000.000 people in the FIVE continents, a fastest growing religion in the wORLD.

The Evangelicals believe that once Israel controls Jerusalem then the second-coming of Christ will eventuate and all disbelievers, Jews and Muslims alike, will be damned. Who needs enemies with friends like these!

Evangelical Christians are wonderful, righteous people who have the moral clarity to understand the threat we face. Now that Islamo-fascists and Western leftists (a la Noam Chomsky) have joined hands in their fanatic antisemitism, anti-Americanism, and hatred of Israel, Evangelical Christians stand as the most faithful allies and friends to the Jewish people. I just hope that Europe wakes up in time to recognize that haranguing Israel and attacking Jews in the streets of London and Manchester won't be enough to appease the Islamists. They'll be happy to slit the throats of Europeans right along with those of Americans and Jews.

The "Christian Zionist" dogma which preaches American carte blanche for "Our Greater Bellicose Israel, Right or Wrong" has been biblically disproven by numerous biblical scholars across a wide denominational spectrum: Modern Israel is NOT the heir of Old Testament Divine covenant promises made to Israel for her "restoration". Read Professor Hans K. LaRondelle's acclaimed exegesis, "The Israel of God in Prophecy" at www.amazon.com . Darbyism/Dispensationalism was created in 1830's London congregation of Edward Irving, who on the strength of 13 year old member Margaret Macdonald's reveries espoused Jesuit Emanuel Lacunza's 300 year old counter reformation doctrine of "futurism" designed to deflect Lutheran papal critics that the latter was the Antichrist of the Apocalypse. J. N. Darby promptly amplified Irving's discovery into today's Dispensationalism, which is neither biblical nor Protestant (nor Catholic, nor Jewish) http://www.opednews.com/seese050504_present_Christian_delusion_dispensationalism.htm http://www.theologicalstudies.org/dispen.html http://www.fwponline.cc/v9n1reasoner.html http://www.theocracywatch.org/ http://www.yuricareport.com/ Beyond theology, which I can prove, and proven by professional theologians from diverse denominational streams, the bottom line is RELIGIOUS BELIEF DOES NOT JUSTIFY IMPOSING YOUR RELIGIOUS IDEAS ON YOUR NEIGHBOURS, AS IN DISPOSSESSING THE PALESTINIANS OF THEIR LAND. Modern Israel is NOT the reconstitution of the Biblical Israel. That the Tanach covenant promises were conditional is beyond question, and the conditions were spelled out by Moses in his parting speeches to Israel, in which he commanded their obedience to a coming Prophet, like unto himself: Jeremiah 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make [it]. 5 Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? MATTHEW 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, [thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not! 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Since when did true Christians who understood and believed the Bible treat Jrews badly. And please do not equate Roman Catholicism to the Name of Messiah. She and her co-horts (co-whores) are referred to in Revelation as a "Whore" not a bride. Nations while treating Jews well prospered, England, US, South africa are examples. To say Muslims are the new Jews is plain stupidity. Since when did the Jews have a culture of manslaughter that turned the world against them? Their rejection is a spiritual issue not for discussion here now. "The gates of Hell" will not prevail against the true church, God will deal with apostates, and He busy is doing just that.

Smart American voters will not support these religion salesmen who have proved too often that in their personal lives they have nothing to do with religion and a lot to do with extra-marital affairs, love for money, and other vices. Evil people come in all colors and from all religions! Hitler & Mosolini were both Chrisitans, and so is Bush! If those U.S. evangelicals cared a bit about morality, then they would've been the first to condemn Abu-Ghraib and Guantanamo, but have you ever heard Pat Robertson utter a word of opposition or condemnation? US evangelicals have strong institutions and lots of moaney that could be better spent on helping the poor of American. Islam has no such institutions, yet they are winning converts day after day and without inticing them with a single penny! What scares US evangelicals is that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world! Evangelism has turned into a business, and loosing "customer base" seems to be a valid concern.

What is it with Muslims always covering up for their own Fascists?

ABleaze, MAUREN AN if not with me that do it with Dear Leader, it will be my honor to bresent you to the most beloved man mankind has ever known.

Just read the Koran. Jihad or war against the Christians and Jews is the central core of their religion. Wherever Islam goes so does war and terror. And they destroy the Churches and Synagogues wherever they go and build mosques on top. Look at the Temple Mount. They are pure evil. Islam has nothing to do with religion or peace.

As one who has had close ties to tele-Evangelism, it is fair to say, a certain knowledge is attained. As for my comment being uninspired - it really doesn't take inspiration to see the enormous damage done to America by the evangelist inspired, Bush Republican Administration. Evangelists calling for war are anti-Christ. Millions of Christians do not share the same hysterical, warmongering interpretation of Christianity.

Today they love the Jews. Tomorrow they may do a 180 and hate us again. Never put your faith in extremists....it will backfire.

This is an uninspired and silly comment. The Islamic threat to the USA is real. What many fail to see is why. Just as God used the enemies of Israel to judge her, when she went away from the LORD, (as surely He is going to do again), so He is using the enemies of a backslidden 'church' to bring His judgement on a supposedly Christian country. They will in turn face God's wrath when He is finshed using them to accomplish His purpose.

There is no squabble between Christianity, Judaism and Islam. Islam recognizes both religions as heavenly religions. The exploitation of religion in politics to galvanize support from the ranks of the naïve and other gong ho voters is a known tactic. It is doubtful if the tactic, nowadays, will be of any use among the level headed, not so conservative voters. The irony of all this though is that once elected into office, those religious candidates will be faced with the task of bridging the gap they have created in their quest for office, between different groups. At one point the Jews were unjustly accused of causing all the trouble in the world. At other times the Communists were to blame for all our ills. Now it is the turn of Muslims. Cheap campaign advisors and gimmick strategists will do anything to gain a one point percent here and another there, not cognizant of the possible damage to relationships among various religious and ethnic groups. In the meantime it is OK with them to cause mistrust, religious phobia, frictions and even hatred within their own country.

Worldwide conspiracies, threats to Christian culture, and so on.

are destroying America, and no, I'm not Catholic.

These groups and the people who lead them are the exrtremist Christian jihadis, the counter parts of the Muslim one. They are a fringe group in the US but have carved out a big share of the Republican party support for themselves. That's why the GOP lost the last election and will contiue losing elections for some time until the those real conservatives who believed in small governments but let people choose for themselves who they wanted to marry and so on get the GOP back from these dangerous fundamentalist or maybe split from them.

!אני מתעורר , I am.

Ignorant adherence of papistry. This is your essential faith-blood. ..stupidity in aword.

It's time to cut out the bogeyman fear-mongering. First it was the Red Scare in the 1950s, and now the new bogeyman, the Islamic Scare. Ron Paul for President 2008!!

are the Nazi of our present era.

There are going to be many regrets coming from Muslim Nations in the years too come.