U.S. confident Mideast peace talks to continue

Too many maybe's and if's, we can only go by what has happened, since history repeats itself The UN can't seem to hang onto anything, she failed in Lebanon in '82, Hezbollah is still smuggling arms in, under the nose of the UN As I said before, when Egypt told the UN to leave in '56, the followed orders like a dog listening to it's master

This whole discussion is surreal. But you didn't get my idea and I'll try again. We imagine that Israel and Palestine both give Jerusalem to the UN. Then somebody other than Israel wants to take Jerusalem. Palestine? Could Palestine get an army they thought could hold off Israel? Israel could take all of Palestine, and give Jerusalem to the UN or keep it. If the Palestinians were that stupid it wouldn't get them much. Say it's some other army. Jordan is too weak. Would Jordan agree to let them through? If they want Jerusalem, would they hand it to Palestine and go home or would they keep Palestine and Jordan too? Likely Jordan would fight them. Maybe Palestine would fight them. Meanwhile, would UN invite Israel to defend Jerusalem? Why not? it looks unlikely to me that anybody except Israel could take Jerusalem from the UN, especially since Israel could take it first. And if the UN had Jerusalem then most opponents would not want it as much as if Israel has it.

What you're advocating is "Salami Tactics", first a slice, another, then all that's left is the string I suggest you read both the PLO Charter and the Hamas Covenant, both calling for the utter destruction of Israel and the expulsion or killing of it's Jews They don't want a part, or a city, then want the whole shebang

DID take Jerusalem in 1948, contrary to the Un Partition Plan Nobody intervened to prevent it Fast forward to Suez 1956, Egypt told the UN to depart post haste, the UN couldn't pack it's bags fast enough to comply with the Egyptian demands It doesn't matter what Nasser's intentions were or weren't the fact that he mde the threat is what counted UN can't be counted on, they've failed to monitor the Fatah attacks from Lebanon or the present situation with Hezbollah in that same spot, lot's of arms have been smuggled in defiance of the UN If you really want to see how effective the UN was, go to the Golan, hundreds of destroyed attacking Syrian tanks litter the area P.S. I'm ex-IDF (Artillery)

In all fairness, Bibi insisted that all previous agreements were cancelled and negotiations have to start fresh. So you shouldn't complain that other sides have reneged on prior agreements with you. You demanded it yourselves. There aren't any prior agreements anymore.

Are you suggesting a UN/EU crusader kingdom set up in the Old city? It would turn a blind eye to what the Arabs/oil/gas do and blame the Jews for everything.

As far as Israelis are concerned, we were pressured to 'promise' a stop to settlements against our interests while the other side inluding the US has reneged on all their prior agreements to us.

In my high school, if you said "Jerry picked a fight with me and I won, so his shoes now belong to me" people would disagree. If somebody picks a fight with you then they might owe you something for that whether or not you won, but you don't get to decide what they owe entirely on your own. The world believes that your claim to Jerusalem is no better than the Palestinians', except of course for your army and your nukes. And Jerusalem is so much *bigger* than it used to be.... Give Palestinians a good slice of it and the world will be satisfied. Or give them something that's worth as much. Eilat plus Ashdod, maybe? Of course you don't need any agreement. You have your army and your nukes, and you don't have to get along with anybody. If worse comes to worst you can nuke everybody else in the middle east and live there by yourselves. Not being a whacko, I don't recommend it.

Ben Jabo, I don't call you a whacko because I believe in being polite here. Please return the favor. If the UN Headquarters is in Jerusalem and some foreign army tries to take Jerusalem, the USA (and Israel) will respond. Jerusalem is not a port and so to take it any army would have to come through Israel or Palestine first. They'd already have a fight on their hands. You mention the UN in 1967. Nasser also had a complaint about that. He said that he told the arab press that he was going to demand the UN move out, but he was lying -- he didn't actually intend to do any such thing. He was surprised -- shocked -- when they did it without any request. He of course thought it was a zionist plot. Whatever happened, I doubt they'd be so careless of their own headquarters. A foreign army approaches, the UN staff has lotteries for seats on the last planes out. They would look very bad. They care about that. Plus their own skins.

I don't believe it, there must be some sort of disease in Fairfax, all sorts of whacko's running around loose We don't care what the whole world say's, the fact is that the Arabs had part of Jerusalem, (UN Partition Plan), they refused to accept their share and instead attacked Israel in 1948, stealing a good portion of Israel's share, which Israel retrived in 1967, after another Arab attack The UN can't be trused, when Egypt told them to leave the Suez, which they were supposed to be watching, the UN couldn't pack it's bags fast enough, the hitailed for other parts with their tails between their legs

You may dare to call it anything you wish, but only Israel is in violation of more UN resolution than any country in the world. The building of settlements on occupied territory, the annexation of Jerusalem, the genocidal blockade of Gaza are all in violation of articles of the 4th Geneva Convention. Breaches of the articles of the Convention are considered war crimes. The Gaza blockade is the worst violation of human rights taking place in the world today.

The entire world except for Israel says Jerusalem isn't yours. If you give 30% of Jerusalem to Palestine then the whole world will say 70% belongs to you, fair and square. If you give Palestine something that they think is worth 30% of Jerusalem the the whole world will say 100% of Jerusalem belongs to you. Maybe both sides would agree to give Jerusalem to the UN. They could put the UN Headquarters there and bring in lots of money. You could both put your capitals there -- outside your borders -- and everybody wins. I don't see what the problem is. If you make peace and they don't do their part you can always move in and occupy them again.

....she ought to aim her boot at Abbas's backside.That's where he's been talking from and refusing to negotiate until Israel meets all his preconditions. If Ashton weren't New Labour with the same mind set as Tony Blair,she'd be able to see that Abbas and his PA cronies are the obstacle to peace,no one else.As it is,she cannot,poor woman. THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL!!!

they in the quartet will always find walls around israel. israel will never change. defiance, stubborness, unilateral views, unbending position. it's a waste to be kind to israel, and its government, and its lobbies, etc.

Well when discussing the Israel/Palestine peace process, mentioning these generic "countless african states" etc. would seem like going off topic a little really, wouldn't it? I hardly think pointing out that, building illegal settlements after promising to stop isn't very helpful, counts as anti-Semitic either. As for pressure, how does a total blockade where you're not even allowed bricks to rebuild your house sound? Enough pressure for you?

altered by perfidious albion in 1924 guaranteed by the anglo american convention in 1924. they are know and were administered in the mandate for 23 years. admitted by jordan and egypt in peace treaties . stop these morons altering the goal posts at a whim every day !

Some call it Eurabia. Some call it bashing the Jews. Some call it Oil & Gas. Some call it appeasement. Some say that the EU is terrified of a backlash. Whatever they say, this lady is gonna cause grief for Israels politicians. Have a nice day.

doesnt it seems a very urgent to (re-)define the borders - and this now of every square centimeter(!) - and to make very clear to everyone where they are and that they have to be respected by everyone(!), and that therefore any violence will cause very justified military action ? also the places of the palestinian people need to be put under someones authority (jordan and egypt). those criminal thugs hamas and fatah, who would get imprisioned at any international airport (apart from dubai and syria) have to be removed asap without further delay. borders are not some "local thing", they are of international relevance. also their violences in any form are (due to alliances) watched and followed up by the international community. i see only advantages with this...

your excuse is why israel why not start there we can go to the next problem and because the want a real democracy not what we have israel now

only israel is under pressure !!! ther must be areason ? dare i call it anti semitism ? not cyprus georgia , chechyna , tibet sudan countless african states isnt it truly incredible ! the wars in iraq and afghanistan in which europe is involved