U.K. summons Israel envoy over passports used in Hamas killing
Ireland also expected to send for Israeli ambassador to explain identity thefts by Dubai assassins.
By Barak Ravid, DPA and Haaretz correspondent Tags: Israel Mossad Hamas Israel newsThe British government on Wednesday summoned Israel's Ambassador to explain the use of passports held by six British-born Israelis in the assassination of a Hamas official in Dubai.
Ron Prosor will meet British foreign office officials on Thursday morning. Ireland is also expected to summon Israel's Dublin envoy on Thursday, diplomatic sources told Haaretz.
British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said on Wednesday he would launch a full investigation into the use of the forged passports by a hit squad that murdered Hamas commander Mahmoud al-Mabhouh last month.
"We are looking into this at this very moment, we have got to carry out a full investigation into this. The British passport is an important document that has got to be held with care," Brown said in a radio interview.
Opposition politicians in Britain have demanded that the Israeli ambassador be summoned over the affair, but the Foreign Office said Wednesday it had "not made any official representation to the Israeli ambassador about the case".
Brown said the British government would seek to accumulate evidence about "what actually happened" before making any official statements on the matter.
On Wednesday Ireland said it was trying to trace three Irish citizens whose identities were used by the assassins, apparently contradicting an earlier claim by the government that they did not exist.
The Palestinian militant group Hamas has blamed Israel for the assassination and vowed revenge on Wednesday.
At a memorial rally in Gaza for Mabhouh on Wednesday, officials from the Islamist group, including masked, armed militants said that Hamas' Izz-el Deen al-Qassam armed wing "will never rest until they reach his killers."
Hamas' exiled leader in Damascus Khaled Meshal addressed the rally of several thousand by video link and said: "We call on European countries to punish Israel's leaders for violating their laws, Israel deserves to be placed on the terror list."
A security source in Israel said the target, Mabhouh, played a key role in smuggling Iranian-funded arms to Islamist militants in the Gaza Strip. Hamas confirmed the information.
Lieberman: No proof Mossad was behind assassination
Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman said earlier on Wednesday that there was no proof Israel's Mossad spy agency was behind the assassination, after it emerged that some members of the hit squad involved in the killing had used the identities of foreign-born Israelis.
Lieberman did not deny outright Israeli involvement in the killing, saying only that Israel has a "policy of ambiguity" on intelligence matters and there was no proof it was behind the assassination.
"There is no reason to think that it was the Israeli Mossad, and not some other intelligence service or country up to some mischief," Lieberman said when asked about the operation and the identity-theft.
Rafi Eitan, a former government minister and high-ranking Mossad official, denied Israel's involvement flat-out.
"The Mossad was not behind the assassination of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, but rather a foreign organization that is trying to frame Israel," he told the radio station.
Men with the same names as seven of the 11 suspects whose European passport photos were distributed by Dubai this week reside in Israel, and those reached by reporters insisted their identities had been stolen and noted the pictures were not a match.
Six of the men are Britons who immigrated to Israel. The seventh is an American Israeli, whose name Dubai said was on a German passport used by one of the assassins.
As the mystery over suspects' identities deepened, Britain and Ireland said they believed the British and Irish passports used by the alleged killers were forged.
In the radio interview, Lieberman shrugged off any prospect of diplomatic problems with Britain over suspicions a Mossad team had used counterfeit British passports.
"I think Britain recognizes that Israel is a responsible country and that our security activity is conducted according to very clear, cautious and responsible rules of the game. Therefore we have no cause for concern," he said.
Hit squads dispatched by Mossad have used foreign passports in the past, notably in 1997 when agents entered Jordan on Canadian passports and bungled an attempt to kill Hamas leader Khaled Meshal with poison.
In 1987, Britain protested to Israel about what London called the misuse by Israeli authorities of forged British passports and said it received assurances steps had been taken to prevent future occurrences.
Dubai narrows down six more suspects
Dubai police have meanwhile narrowed down another six suspects in addition to the 11 European passport-holders named earlier this week, The New York Times reported on Tuesday.
The names of the additional six have yet to be released and the actual identities of the other 11 suspects are still in question.
Dubai Police Chief Lt. Gen. Dhahi Khalfan Tamim announced on Monday that senior Hamas official Mahmoud al-Mabhouh was murdered by an 11-member hit squad of mercenaries carrying European passports.
Tamim said that arrest warrants would be issued soon and while he did not accuse Israel directly, he did say it was possible that "leaders of certain countries gave orders to their intelligence agents."
"We do not rule out Mossad, but when we arrest those suspects we will know who masterminded it. [We have not] issued arrest warrants yet, but will do so soon," he told a press conference on Monday.
Two Palestinians have already been arrested in connection to the assassination.
The group was responsible for killing Mabhouh in his hotel room on January 20, a slaying that has elicited vows of revenge from the Palestinian militant group.
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Dubai's 11 suspects named in Hamas killing. |
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I am literally flabergasted that so many governments are upset over the killing of a murderer and terrorist who has killed so many others. Stuff him
... Values the life of the scum bag as aminor detail as nothing more than a little mischief your point is so far from valid, a point like the following carries more validity: Iran is trying to enrich uranium to weapons grade evidenced by: aside from the infrastructure, statements, IAEA reports etc... That because theshort man withthe long hard to spell and harder to pronounce name wanted a UN law to protect all nuclear facilities regardless of whether for civilian or military purposes. When there already exists a law protecting peaceful nukes if my logic isn't good enough for a fullout invasion of Iran and destruction of nuclear sites how is your weaker point good enoguh for liability or is it that your point regards Israel mine regards Iran that you say this?
One of the most bizarre aspects of this affair is the assumption that only Mossad can produce false passports. I've just done the obvious thing and Googled 'false passports'.There are any number of sites to buy and sell them. So much for that finger pointing at Mossad. Now here's an interesting URL,amongst many, concerning Islamic terrorists getting false passports and papers from a North London mosque http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article4467097.ece Maybe it's not so clear cut,eh? THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL!!!
Passports. It was a round-about. A trap, And someone fell into it. Now it's left 4 u 2 figure it out.
Mossad is NOT perfect spy organization. It has been exposed in Lavon Affair (Operation Sussanah) that planted bombs in British, American, Eqptian target to blame on Muslim Brotherhood. Its modus operation was also exposed in the assassination attempt on Khalid Mashal whereby its prime minister, Nentanyahu was forced to provide the antidote. I suggest for anyone to doubt Mossad adventure in this killing to read the Gideon's Spy. Mossad was also responsible for the Maxwell's killing by having four men kidon team to kill him. In typical Mossad operation, they will have more survellance team than the actual termination team. They will also have backup team that provides cover for the other teams.
Hey, we live in a world, where the terrorists are protected and read their rights. The victims, on the other hand, are imprisoned, tortured and murdered! If Adolf Hitler were alive today, and had been assasinated in a hotel in Dubai by Jews, using forged passports, would the British concern themselves with the legalities of British law to protect a mass murderer? The Hamas Operative was a murderer, a smuggler, and a thief. Hamas is a terrorist organization, is lobbing rockets on a daily basis into Israel, and is holding an Israeli hostage. Moreover, this murderer was responsible for the loss of countless innocent Jewish and Arab lives. Where is the outrage from the British against Dubai for allowing such a mass murderer to move about freely in their country? Shame on the British for being spineless cowards! Instead of berating Dubai for allowing this mass murderer and criminal to move about freely, they admonish the ones, who seek justice for the victims of his crimes!!!
Read the interview allegedly given by Mabhouh to Aljazeera two weeks before he was killed. The man/Mabhouh being interviewed had his face covered. *He said he hoped to be a martyr.* Mabhouh claimed he was cautious. The Dubai security film suggests otherwise, at least during his time in the Dubai hotel. Why was he so lax about his personal security in Dubai? He had spent time in an Israeli prison. He claimed he had been tortured, why would he risk the same (or assassination) again? The fact Netanyahu is once again the Israeli PM, and the previous assassination attempt on Masshal by Mossad was during Netanyahu's earlier term as PM, Mabhouh might have seized on the opportunity to: A)Frame Israel, causing international incident. B) Martyrdom. C) Choose his own time of death instead waiting for the call from Mossad... but, Al Arabia Net: "sources" revealed, one of the arrested Palestinians in Dubai was a former Hamas security officer who fled Gaza because he was a Mossad agent.
yes, yes, yes, and encore yes!
MOSSAD can kill anybody, anywhere, in any country, no matter how many guards they have, or how deeply they hide.
Lieberman is a poor diplomat. He showed all of his cards the moment he tried to minimize the assassination by characterizing it as "some mischief". Lieberman knows it was Israeli agents who conducted this assassination. Which is why he is trying to play the minimization word-game by dismissively calling the assassination "some mischief". No need to minimize if they aren't Israelis. Lieberman's "some mischief" line is the biggest "tell" ever (using poker parlance). It's an instinctive response by Lieberman that he probably isn't even aware of. This is just like a poker player who instinctively smiles every time they draw an ace, and doesn't even know they do it. But everyone around the table knows.... All us around this global table can read Lieberman's tells. His knowledge is obvious. But enough poker-face reading. All you have to do is watch the Dubai CCTV tapes and see the guilty parties. It's a great watch.
If....What a disappointment to the billions of genetically programmed Israel/Jew-haters! would that make you.... one of the millions of the geneticly programed hateees. If the first is racist so is the second and that is your countrys problem with the world
Apart from a few lefty Guardian readers, the vast majority of Brits won't care if some terrorist got popped off by whomever did it. Dog bits dog. The Brits have done it themselves many a time. Sometimes it's necessary, although in this case, the best you can say about the methodology is that it was unsubtle. What Brits will care about is the passports issue (the Irish more so). It's sensitive subject, because of the amount of immigration into UK in recent years. Many Brits are fed up with the amount of foreigners coming in, and feel that liberties have been taken with their national identity. The issue of passports and who has them ties in with all that. There's a general election coming, and passports, border controls etc are going to be big topics. Anyway, I believe that Maggie Thatcher once kicked the Mossad out of the UK for a short time, when they were naughty boys in London,at some point in 80s, but I don't think this will happen this time. It's far from home.
Palestinian sympathizers at the Home Office in cahoots with Brit lawyers provided the identities of the people to other Palestinian (Fatah or even Hamas)/ Iranian/ Syrian assassins. They got the job done and at the same time made it appear like it's an Israeli operation. You can take this to the bank.
Dubai is a state with zero integrity and crdibility,first thing to do is discount anything they say as accurate,also i always thought that terrorists should be taken out by any means neccesary,does anyone who is not a terrorist or muslim radical really believe there is anything wrong with what happened,i call it justice pure and simple.
Passports are far from being hard to be forged. Forging of passports continues to be an easy task even after the introduction of biometric passports. People have yet to realise that the use by foreign immigration authorities of the biometric information contained in the passport is optional and restricted to certain points of control. Haven't been to Dubai but I doubt their hotels conduct any biometric matching of guests during check-in. Moreover, if the Dubai immigration controls also refrain from performing the biometric matching, the novelties introduced in the last few years have almost no impact on forging.
It was reported that he was shot with a stun device and then smothered to death. Couldn't have happened to a "nicer" person. LOL!
This has mossad written all over it. So what if it was an 11 person mission? The attention to details and the impeccable coordination between the surveillance teams and execution teams is clearly visible. It truly was professional work that couldn't be done by any incompetent intelligence agencies out there other than the CIA, KGB, MI6, MOSSAD, etc....So taking interests into consideration I would point the finger at Mossad and wouldn't rule out the alliance of other agencies.
According to ?The Economist? a few days after the recent killing of a leading atomic scientist in Iran suspected of involvement with Iran?s H-bomb, Al-Ahram, an Egyptian newspaper that tends to echo the government, ran a glowing front-page story calling Meir Dagan, head of Mossad, Israel?s spy service, the ?Superman of the Jewish state?. But for him, it said, ?Iran?s nuclear program would long ago have been completed.? Israel is doing the dirty work that the gutless European elite and the feckless liberals who support them won?t do. Through organizations such as Mossad they at least stand up and defend their citizens from these murderous creeps. Egypt gets it. Liberal Europeans don't.
Obviously, the era of assassinations without leaving a trace of some sort such as an electronic footprint is over!
Gone are the days when Israel can blithely go and do whatever it wants to do for its own security and be applauded for it. The once famed "Israeli derring-do" just doesn't work, mostly because the world isn't impressed by it. Of course there is an imperative to secure Israel and of course where this an opportunity to take out a terrorist who represents a "clear and present danger" to this nation, it must be taken. But everyone's seen the films and read the books and no one is fooled by the Israeli sleight of hand or word, especially when the operation is as 'clunky' as this and points the finger right back at us. And all those who want to add their voices to the "deligitimization" red herring - be quiet. By leaving our footprint so clearly on this we give the Israel-deniers more ammo. As for our UK Ambassador, I hope the Brits make him squirm. We need all the allies we can get and this is one more we can't really afford to lose.
People aren't giving this crew enough credit. They weren't as sloppy as the Lillehammer crew and they got the right man this time.
Why not? The Irish? never mind.
It could well be agents of FSB on direct orders of Mr. Putin and/or Mr. Medvedev. The Hamas chap was involved in arms deals and some other shady dealings. It has been noted in Russian press in Russian that top level Hamas operatives have been found in Chechnya and Dagestan, fighting alongside the local Islamists against the Russian government troops. Who knows? Russian FSB already did hits in the Gulf (e.g. Mr Zelimkhan Yandarbiyev was killed in Qatar). How they found out the identities of those chaps living in Israel? Could we deny the possibility of a Russian spy in Israel, including inside the Ministry of Interior? Remember, Israel's population is 25% Russian speaking. It could well be MI5 or CIA (based on the lack of sophistication I would assume the possibility it was done on John Panetta's orders) :) It could well be an Arab hit either by Hamas itself or by an Arab State. I wouldn't exclude their "mole" in Israel either.
the englishmen and irishmen who are getting hot about the use of the their forged passports are playing with themselves. if they go on zabasearch.com and search the names used on the passports they will find that practically all of them are right out of american telephone directories. YVT shmendrik nashashibi
It seems too amateurish for Mossad, 11 assassins all in fancy dress caught on CCTV, compared to the brilliant hit on Mugniyeh? Of course something like this pleases the ex-Jew converted to Christian Linthwaite no end...
I'm deeply hurt that Mossad is now using the passports of other nations. We in Canada have come to expect greater brand loyalty from Mossad after many years of their preference for Canadian passports.
Maybe they are British. Britain kills a lot of muslim. They (with the help of other coalition forces and with the Arabs themselves) have killed one million of them during the last nine years in Afghanistan and Iraq, far more than the 1,200 Israel killed in defensive war against next-door Gaza.
The last time Israel was found to be using fake British passports, 14 Israeli dip;lomats were expelled from the United Kingdom, and all dealings with Mossad were suspended for five years. This was under the administration of Margerat Thatcher and co-operation with Mossad was renewed when Israel gave assurances that they would not misuse British Passports again. It is not about the assassination of a terrorist. It is about the misuse of British passports despite Israeli assurances.
We've got to be kidding you say. That Mossad sends 17 operatives to take out one man!! That 17 operatives on forged passports evaded airport security without a shred of suspicion. How dumb can Mossad be!! You are kidding yourself
explain why British provided Arabs with british passports of current Israeli citizens.
They would rather confront the innocent victims of copied info. from their own few citizen's passports than the host countries investigating possible real forged passports.
Such fertile ground for conspiracy theories and histrionic hype. I love the thrill Lieberman gave folks when he 'neither confirmed or denied.' I think the arrest of two Hamas militants who were in contact with the hit squad worthy of the best mystery writers. Was it a false flag operation targeting Israel? Or was it an operation conducted with intent to give the appearance of a false flag operation? Which intell weenies are the best/worst? and how many are involved. One was a woman, so I bet on Miss Scarlett with the Candelstick in the Billiard Room. Assisted of course, by Colonel Mustard who used the Lead Pipe to break into the Library while Professor Plumb watched, Rope in hand, from the Dining Room.
If I am ever being trailed by a bunch of fat men carrying tennis rackets and wearing tight fitting workout clothes I will be breaking into a jog myself!
If Mossad can fake so many foreign passports, surely it must be childsplay to fake an Israeli one. When Israelis responsible for Cast Lead, Lebanon 2006, Chatila & Sabra, Jenin, travel abroad, will they ever be safe?
"World has more to fear from actual Brits with real passports" - L. Brnd Really? Afraid some Brits are going to stuff you full of Marmite? The big threat to life and limb I face are yahoos driving around with the cell phone stuck in one year while texting on their BlackBerry. I have no fear of being whacked by some shade from Mossad or offed by an act of Arab Terrorism. I am even less worried about the Brits. Being warry of considerable risks which are significant causes of premature death is quite reasonable L. Brnd. Being over wrought over an astoundingly small risk is folly and perhaps a bit much. The actuaries tell me that odds are I will die of heart disease. Cancer is definitely a leading cause of death. Accidents too, especially for younger folks. Being assaulted by a garden crazed Briton or even a religion crazed terrorist is not something I cringe in terror of.
It puzzles me why you make such an effort to try to exonerate the Mossad in this case. It is not exactly the Mossad's first hit. The reason for the "mistakes" (your words) is that the killers thought the murder would not be discovered because it was made to look like a heart attack.
till the real story blows up....because it is going to blow up big time in somebody's face. At this time I do not care if it was the Mossad or any other group....it is going to be a big story. Right now everone is pointing fingers at Mossad. If they did it....they are really stupid to have done it in Dubai. But if it turns out to be another group trying to pin it on Israel and the Mossad...then the fun is just beginning. This is better than Bond or Bourne.
The Khaleej Times, a decent newspaper from Dubai and one that I have had bookmarked for many years, has been an interesting read recently. It is little appreciated that the Dubai authorities have NOT blamed Israel despite the names they have taken out warrants against. The move is pro forma and it is clear that once the British and Irish governments provide evidence of passport fraud the matter will be dropped. Two Palestinians, each with a military rank in Hamas, have been arrested in Jordan and quickly handed over to Dubai. They are being questioned. One of them was caught on camera with the apparent leader of the hit squad. Folks in Dubai seem far less certain about where the investigation is going than some others.
So who's saying it was Israelis? Who's saying it was murder? My understanding is that the door was locked AND chained from the inside. What are these guys, Houdini? To those of you screaming "Israeli murderers!", remember who this scumbag was. Do not compare this to 9/11. This POS had it coming. And where was HIS security detail? Did Israel do this? Meh. It is never a bad thing when an enemy of the people of Israel or the free world dies. But anyway, who's saying they did it. That said, nice wet work kids! Keep it up. Shalom, Theo Goodfellow
Israelis? Do you think the Mossad needs 11 people to kill one terrorist? Do you think the Mossad will kill a victim in a country with the most CCTV cameras in the world? I think the British are jumping to conclusions. This is just the making of another blood libel against Israel, probably by Fatah,Iran, or Hamas itself.
Why you changed the subject. Number 10 is commenting on Dubai and not Afghanistan. Try to remember that Mossad has done this kind of crimes before. It seems that you are living on a different planet.
...that dubai still hasnt published the result of the forensic analysis. its officially still unknown if he was murdered at all... so on what basis do they issue international arrest warrants - when they cant tell exactly of what he died ?
Let's not forget these silly talkbackers who actually believe the rubbish the Dubai police clowns are putting out, and are ready to spew their vicious mossad-soaked fantasies without reflection or shame.
The Dubai police fools are huffing and blowing about how they're going to issue an arrest warrant for Netanyahu. But Dubai police fore is a lookalike for the Keystone Cops. Let's see: 11 holders of forged passports breeze by immigration, even with passports that are missing numbers and are not kosher. Okay: then there's the story: he was electrocuted; no wait, he was strangled; no, no, he was injected with poison, no wait, it was a combination of all three. What I'd like to know is: where is the body? Who did the autopsy? And who are these two Palestinians who have been arrested? And what happened to that blond knocking on the door? Now back to the Dubai police clowns: they have a lot of film of all kinds of people, but it's nothing more than a bunch of film with people in it. Oh, and now there are 17, not 11 suspects. I'm beginning to doubt if this al-Terror scum was really killed at all.Or maybe he was found like David Carradine, asphyxiated, and now he's being remade into a martyr.
This is definately a "not so good" job carried out by the Mossad. I think the Israelis underestimated Dubai thinking that it is just another crappy arabic country with like Lebanon or Egypt were murders take place undetected and that's why they made so many mistakes (e.gusing passports of innocent israeli citizens). I've been living in Dubai for 10 years now i can assure you this country is so damn good in terms of security.
did do it, then good for them.
I am not sure how it is in Britain especially since you have charia law, but in countries following due process, one is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
better hit back soon or they will lose credibility
UK. The brightest Government in the world for accusing Mossad. They went to all the effort of stealing the ID's of six Israelis just to lay a false trail. Just like Homer Simpson would. Duh!
Michael, I see your one that likes to spread lies and what not when did Lieberman say that Israel was not behind Operation Cast Lead or behind the Israeli insult to Turkey? I guess your nothing more than a common slanderer.
...the idea that this won't reflect badly on Israel. Actually, you know, the rest of us are neither awed at how 'clever' you are, nor impressed by your ruthlessness. We actually take kind of a dim view of those who steal our documents and engage in extra-judicial killings as a matter of routine.
They never fathomed exposure of those passports and their linkage to the assignation. The entire intent was to make it appear as death caused by heart attack or some accident involving medical drugs and thats why they sent close to 20 agents team. Mossad never imagined that Dubai?s will figure so fast it was assignation thus tracing all activities around the target prior and post the assignation and thus revealing all involved.
Again there is no evidence to suggest Israel was responsible for the hit. You and others act as of if this the first hit of its kind. MI8 and Cia could be involved. Maybe even Hezbollah or Iran. Fact is we do not know. Passport forging is nothing new to the spy world the Israelis are not the only ones with the know how to forge documents. And anyway whats the fuss one less terrorist to worry about.
Dubai contacted UK seven days ago about the UK passport breach but the UK didn't respond and only responded after dubai went to the media. Brown's office did't issue a statement yesterday and left it to miliband and only responded after asked in a radio interview. An election is coming up and brown needs muslim votes so expect a lot of israel bashing so labour can with a fourth term. Brown purposefully flooded uk with immigration to change the demographics of the country for electoral advantage.
I think it may be time for American government to compile a data bank of all dual citizenship Israelis/American's. Spys and traitors amongst us who's loyalities lie with Israel.
If Mossad did it there would be two tops. Quick, in and out. Wham bam thank you mamm. This looks like a Polish joke. Six to hold him down and five to hold the pillow. The speculation by the posters here is a riot. Would you all just step back and read what is being said here? I can't stop laughing.
All these accusations against Isreal and the Mossad, and yet there is not a shred of proof. Just goes to show the level of hysteria and hatred that the world has against Isreal.
JC, I'm not sure where you live, but it clearly IS NOT the Middle East. You obviously missed the Hamas men throwing Fatah men off the roofs of 22 storey buildings in Gaza, and the assassination by Syria of former Leb. PM Hariri, or Arafat's life time of assassinations of Palestinian rivals, or Hamas' massacre of a rival Islamist group in Gaza. Welcome to reality, habibi.
On more that one occasion israel has denied exactly what they are be accused of now and each time israel sore from heavn to earth. it wasn't us.. until it was found out the the israeli government was lying. So now when the government delivers a cautios it wasn't us only those who have blind faith would belilve them without doubt. the last time they lied about almost the exact same thing was when Mossad stole Canadian passports and denied, and denied that they did but then they later admitted to it and promised never to do again this act endangered the lives of innocent citizens of a trusted ally with no remorse. So now when they have this weak denial as opposed to their usual virulent fall back boilerplate response its a "anti-semetic plot" "the world hates us" "its not true". the contrast is like a beacon of light which confrims guilty by the cautions nature of the carefully thought out response. "their is no proof that Isreale did this" translation we did it but you cant' prove it
'twas the iranians. i expect he had been scamming a bit off the top"
How Israel answers them will define the UK's next move.
Our Dept of Foreign Affairs has received new information and now say that the passport numbers on the Irish passports were valid (presumably the names were false). They are about to contact the people whose passport numbers were used and give them the interesting news.
But that wasn't the name he entered Dubai with.
Of course they aren't happy - still doesn't mean that the mossad did it.
are less than 0. And, oh yeah, the massacre at Jenin was a gross exaggeration of the truth - 54 Palestinians, most of whom were armed combatants. Goldstone Report -- even Richard Goldstone admits his findings would be insufficient to convict any party in court, but that further investigation is warranted and it's also become evident that most of the "evidence" against Israel came from tainted sources like Hamas-linked organizations.
got lots of information from him before he expired since the body supposedly showed signs of electrocution and suffocation. Hopefully if it was Mossad, and the sloppiness seems to show that it was not, they got some good intel about Iran's plan for Israel.
The Israeli Ambassador is being summoned to the Foreign Office tomorrow morning.
I think it has to do with the universal acceptance of the Irish passport. It is highly regarded, as is Ireland, among the nations of the world because of its commitment to human rights causes.
Michael is demonstrating this New Labour tendency towards innuendo and insinuation. I gave my opinion on the British passport,NOT on my British citizenship.Is he implying that,if I don't like Britain,I should go somewhere else?Maybe to one of those many other imagined Jewish countries that Israel haters think that Israelis should decamp to. The British Passport IS a worthless document to the holder.It's main use isn't to get a holder into another country and protect him there,it's to get him OUT of Britain.It's an exit visa.And in New Labour's hands its rapidly becoming an unwanted identity card and an instrument of government control. It's New Labour that sours my opinion of Britain,not the country or ordinary British people.It's a comfort to know that I still have somewhere else to go when this government destroys democracy and freedom.Michael is nearly right.That is one extra reason why I sign off with THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL!!!
The Israeli press as much evidence as the rest of the world does... none. Hamas isnt liked by everyone. Neither is Israel. There is a large group that doesnt like either of them. I'm not naive enough to say that the Mossad couldnt possibly be involved. But i'm also not naive enough to discount the possibility that they werent.
What a little genius you are. Do you really think the Mossad would use the identities of Israeli citizens and ex-pat Israelis domiciled elsewhere to do a hit on a high ranking Hamas weapons smuggler holed up in a luxury resort in Dubai? More likely, the Mossad would use completely bogus names and forged passports issued under the names of hostile countries.
That the opposite is the case. Remember a few yrs back the illegal use of Australian and New Zealand passports by Israelis carrying out covert actions?
Ayalon then Put UN on a low sofa and lieberman bounced the international law out !
according to former Jewish man or whatever, but now christian Chris Linthwaite "British politicians are openly blaming Mossad..." would it be nice to provide credibly some names of these politicians,... well.. Chris definitely can rely on Baroness Jenny Tonge and George Galloway, but they can openly blame jews for London Plague of 1665. Be more choosy please
israelis dont cry when one of ur planes falls out of the sky or another one of ur soldiers is captured on one of ur govt. officials killed or if a israeli tax paying citizen is killed. this is chess and israel has made its move now its time for hamas to make a move. p.s. its clear that all hamas is doing and can do in this situation is retaliate, so dont act like they are the aggressors when they hit ya'll back, the whole world can see israel has started this, but cant and never will finish it
No it's not that serious, it's very entertaining to be honest With the added bonus of having the potential to seriously harm relations between the EU and Israel. And as you are supposedly from Northern Ireland aren't you concerned that fake British passports were used in the murder of an admittedly not very nice man? Afterall that would make you a marked man along with the rest of us. Doesn't that make you just a little upset? You beong suspected of being an Israeli secret agent? Because that is essentially what we are talkiing about. And before you say anything even the Israeli press is saying it was Mossad.
That is what his name was.
Methinks thou dost protest too much. Dubai is acting like a sovereign nation where somebody got murdered. It's acting just like the USA or Israel or the UK would if somebody committed a complex murder there. Dubai is doing nothing more than what was done with the freeway sniper in DC. It wasn't OK a few years when Iran was killing Americans expats in Dubai a few years ago. It shouldn't be OK for any body to commit murder. If that inconveniences some intelligence agency, too bad.
No. If these Israeli Brits were happy with their British passports being used for such a purpose they wouldn't be all over the world's press screaming blue murder.
What's the attraction with Irish passports for nefarious purposes? I seem to remember that Oliver North (he of the document shredding and Fox news correspondent) travelled on a stolen Irish passport when he was secretly selling arms to Iran back in the eighties.
Maybe this was Netanyahu's way of telling the Russians that HAMAS would never be allowed to becoming players in the final solution of the Palestinian/Israeli conflict.
If Dubai is used, with the tacit knowledge of its government and police, as an international forum for drug runners, arms dealers, terrorists, criminal gangs, white slavers, financial speculators, and every other kind of pondscum, it's only natural that it will become a killings grounds of the unsavory. It's like running a whorehouse and being surprised when someone gets AIDS.
And now the Ministry of Hasbara goes into action , Deny Deflect and Divert ( wash rinse dry repeat)
Sorry to hear you feel that way about your UK citizenship. Is that why you always sign off THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL?
You're right, Mr. Hypocrite. It's pretty evident that the higher agenda of the zionists is to survive in a world filled with hypocritically self-righteous bigots like you. When an American starts calling Israel a Rambo nation, it's time for him to get a huge mirror and some powerful glasses. "Time and again, we prove that zealot Zionists have a higher agenda than being a law abiding citizen. Combine that with a Rambo like attitude of a nation, Israel, and you get a nation that it thinks it is above the law."
At the moment there is an elderly British couple held by Somali pirates,a British journalist held on trumped up charges by Hamas in Gaza(and that seems like a strange coincidence to me),there have been any number of British hostages in Iraq,Gaza and other places many of whom have been murdered and British people stranded abroad for all sorts of reasons. The British government doesn't lift a finger to live up to its responsibility to protect them even though they carry British passports.Yet it's as quick as a shot to protect this worthless document. Maybe it's because this two-faced New Labour government that claims to be Israel's friend has found a new pretext for slurring Israel by innuendo and insinuation. THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL!!!
It would be highly regrettable if the Mossad was so fervent in killing Mabhouh that they put their own civilians at risk. It does not wash that this assination was an Isareli/Mossad operation. No one who is protecting Israel will endanger the lives of fellow Jews. This Mossad "did it" theory just does not stand up to scrutiny.
I bet you think the moment you get off the plane at Heathrow you'll be fried alive and eaten by crowds of anti-semitic, colonialist jihadist monsters! You don't need be afraid actually. We're just like you really, two arms, two legs, one head. We're a multi-cultural, western democracy with a small, and mostly well-behaved Muslim population. And yes we did once have the world's biggest empire, but a long time ago your country took over the role of world's leading colonial and imperial power. When I say, 'your country' I mean the USA, but you're such a Zionist, maybe you regard Israel as more your country. By the way,sorry to see you've got such a problem with your vowels. Have your seen a doctor about it?
Jenin - a lie! Goldstone - lies piled upon lies!! Dubai Mossad murder - ignore that five of the faked passports are connected to Israelis - we're being framed!!!
It's just a bit of fun. Hopefully with serious implications for diplomatic ties between the United Kingdom and Israel. Israel does have form of using fake british passports in 1987. And the last time Netanyahu was Prime Minister there was a botched Mossad operation in Jorsan involving fake Canadian Passports. It may be circumstantial, but with the Israeli Brits saying they haven't been out of the country in years, and the German passport holder having not left Israel for a decade (he is a scholar in a seminary) who else would have had the opportunity to get the information required to produce convincing forgeries?
So if you know the standard operating procedure and tactics for assassinations carried out by the Mossad... chances are that other people know it too. Maybe people that dont like Israel? How many groups arent too crazy about Hamas? Even some Arab groups too. In america, we have this concept called Reasonable Doubt. I understand this is Dubai we're talking about, but conclusions without solid proof...
the names and passports of Israeli citizens, in the middle of the night, no less while those poor souls were sleeping. Right. And I've got a bridge in New York to sell you for a few pennies...you know, the Brooklyn Bridge...
Who is Paddy Sullivan? A gay spat gone violent would explain a lot, except that the expenses for this operation were huge. If its true, your "Paddy Sullivan" got his bone back.
of course it was mossad... this fits 100% the standard assinations which are carried out by israel which they have appoligised for in the past and you wait and see given time they will be forced to appologise for this one again. what alot of people fail to understand is that when the mossad kills with a false passport the are indirectly killing the individuals who's pasport they stole as the targets friends seek revenge.. so in my view Mosad kills there target and endagers the saftey of dozens of innocent people and their families.. but do they care....we all know the answer to that.. by any means the ends justifies the means
If and I repeat if, which of course we will never know......... Israeli security services have used with consent or without consent the passports of residents of Israel jew or non jew who have dual nationality, they have betrayed the trust of their own citzens....... The outcome of which could be considerable in the manner of response in which Mossad or other agencies request the assistance of 'foreign' passport holders to copy or use in any manner documents that will put these citzens at possible high risk..... Unfortunately whatever is denied by Israel will be seen most of all as an act of treachery by those who possibly felt that they were in some way knowingly or unknowingly, if they had not been 'aproached' helping the state of Israel... These people will be the real victims of this debacle......... Once again Israel and it does appear to be has made a full blown shambles in this 'Hit' of whick I approve by the way, but not at the cost of innocent citzens.
Imagine the reaction - had it been a syrian intelligence operation against some lebanese politician! Sanction Syria, bomb syria!!
In the late 70's Israeli security agencies routinely collected passport identity info from new olim I observed this happening.
Many countries spy groups have used or still do use forged passports its not some new phenomon. Don't act as of if MI8 are saints and act with the rule of law. Regardless what Lieberman says or does not say the fact is there is not a shred of evidence to link Israel to this hit. The forged identities can be doctored by any number of organizations. Your disdain for jews and Israel has been noted many times on here but until there are hard facts to link Israel its best to not pre judge.
We all know your chumping at the bit now that Israel may be behind the liquidation. Now you and others on here know there is no evidence to link Israel. Until there is hard evidence do not make false allegations. I know its your motive to state and lies without any shred of evidence.
First I'm glad you identify your self as an Arab Jew. Not many Arab jews kept their arabness as part of their identity. Proud of you, Mizrahi guy. Mossad is one of the suspects. Israel itself kept silent, it did not deny any involvement! I have to admit that some people in Arab countries like to blame everything on Israel, but Israel should be a suspect in this case. It makes sense. Dubai police did not say it is the mossad, they said it might be. Their are 5 Israeli names, supposedly. Israel, with its lobby power in USA and Britain, and its abuse of "anti-Antisemitism" and the past, acts like a spoiled child, who no one punishes for their everyday breaking of international law. This made a huge hatred for Israel worldwide. And this should stop.
This would perfectly fit Sullivan's nature and preferences ,plus the unexpected Irish islet in the whole affair.
200 years of colonial and MI5/6 predation says so. Playing ME and other peoples off against each other. "The WOGs begin at Calais" mentality. Then there are the actual Brits with actual Brit passports who attacked a Tel Aviv nightclub (well Paks, actually) while "representing" ISM, for which UK never compensated anybody, or the UK passport holders (real UK passports) involved in the 9-11 attacks. And then there's this week's news of terrorist Libya banning all EU travellers except Brit passport holders - hmmmmm. There's a reason why Brit passports provide such good cover when one wishes to blend in with islamofaciscts. Maybe they think this is how they will resurrect the British Empire and return to being a world power. This is why a UK "investigation" of its own "forged" passports is inadequate - a 3rd party must do the investigating, with full transparency.
I understand the Hamas guy was on his way somewhere else, maybe Sudan, and maybe just stopping over in Dubai. It may well be that Mossad only learnt about the joruney shortly before it happened and it was a rare chance to get him outside Gaza and Iran. In that situation, they would have had to put together an operation fast. They may not have known whether he would have bodyguards or people with him and therefore they would have erred on the side of caution by taking plenty of people. Same may apply to the passports. Maybe thay've been using these for covert operations before. It would make sense to use passorts of olim under usual peaceful espionage circumstances, because the olim would be less likely to make a fuss than a foreigner who found out. So it may be that short of time, Mossad just grabbed the nearest available passports without thinking it all through too much. Even spies make mistakes - like those CIA guys in Rome using their personal credit cards.
Why so many? Often the missions are also used as training exercises for the newbies, this is common knowledge and secondly, it is about logistics more than the hit itself.
Brown is living proof of the decline of civilization in Western Europe. The proper response would be, "I don't care who killed the S.O.B. but if they are subjects of the Queen they should be knighted."
Mossad would have never checked in the passports at the hotel. You didn't even have to check in. You could have followed him to his room and then waited for him to leave and then gone up to his room without checking in. To think that Mossad would check in their passports to be copied at the same hotel is outrageous.
Answer to1 Mossad used 11-17 or ? to ensure there would be no trial in Dubaiof a smaller team od assasins, more than half were to watch for the approach of the Dubai security forces Answer to 2 Israel used UK Passport for most of the team because to the arrest warrant on the woman minister from Israel in the last few months, revenge pure and simple After the Jordanian assasination fiasco where they had to supply an antidote, Mossad had to have a success to offset it and i bet most of the crew that did it was slated to come off of the assasination teams for one reason or another so Mossad didnt care if they were on video with cover blown This has Mossad written all over it and all the bellyaching in the world wont change that
This hit has all the characteristics of a CIA or British intelligence hit-assassination of a wanted Iranian agent. Israel would not be foolish to send as many as 11 of its men into enemy country, at great risk of being caught. Remember a decade ago the failed attack on Hamas leader by Mossad in Ammanan when 2 or 3 of its men were caught.
Your arguments still don't explain why the Mossad would use 17 people to do this job (this is both dangerous and inefficient and unlike the Mossad), and why they would use Israeli residents' names when usually they like to keep the secrecy. I am not convinced it's the Mossad.
Time and again, we prove that zealot Zionists have a higher agenda than being a law abiding citizen. Combine that with a Rambo like attitude of a nation, Israel, and you get a nation that it thinks it is above the law. Just look at the article in this same page of Harretz, and you notice with distinction a lawless state that wants to continue using it's good diplomacy, beg for help from the US and yet shun it's elected officials at will. When this nightmare ends, the false creation of the state of Israel, only then the ME will find peace.
That Mossad was involved.Remember the case involving misuse of Australian and New Zealand passports and Israeli covert operations a few yrs ago?
Israel has already spoken. Do you expect that Israel will be so stupid as to act in this irrational manner, especially with Dubai.? If they wanted Mr.X dead, they would have taken him out in Beirut,Tehran or Damascus. Have a nice day.
Of course he went for a vacation in Dubai. I always make sure I travel on a fake passport and without my family when I go on vacation.
He was on his way to sudan where iran has a system set up to bring rockets from iran to sudan and up to eygpt to gaza. This hamas figure was involved in getting long range rockets that can hit dimona and also hit tel aviv area and dimona. Times of london reported he was involved in long range rockets on tel aviv. This was after meshaal threatened a wider war outside of gaza region and lebanese MP praised iran for helping gaza militants in their training and weapons to hit the zionists.
Yet dubai declares they will go after netanyahu. Dubai knew who this guy was and he was escorted to his room. He was in dubai on a fake passport passing through to sudan. Dubai also won't investigate hamas.
I wonder how arrest warrents would be issuied when the names of the people are fake,and the created pictures are not those of the passport holders. And as to the exact looks, we really will never know what they indeed are. And as for the imaages we have, they are at least 50% creation,and now you need to go find those people who look somewhat like those pictures. It appears to me many years of work will be needed.
Lieberman's comments brings more suspicion that Mossad was involved. It seems like these amateurs watched "Munich" before their hit. Too bad for them, times have changed and Dubia's CCTVs caught them on tape.
Dubai contacted UK seven days ago about the passport breach and UK didn't respond until Dubai went to the media. Brown's office didn't issue a statement yesterday and left it to miliband. Brown had to be asked about it on a radio show he didn't come out with a statement on this. This is pathetic. Gordon Brown who goes across the world to iraq and yet then lectures israel for defending itself against rockets fired from gaza in the goldstone report. Brown should have a goldstone report on himself. I hate hypocrisy more than anything and there is no more hyporitical figure in this world than gordon brown. At least with arabs and iran you know they are your enemy.
Obviously data banks were pilfered. Not the first or last time in the UK. Remember the last scandal...? This is how it was arranged. Step one, use UK and foreign nationals identities especially those living in Israel. Step two, operation flag changing. Step three, try and screw Mossad, MI, or Israel. Who were these folks.? That is where the story really begins. Whichever security services that has access to the UK computers and could lay the blame on Israel. Smells quite fishy, like fish and chips. Get my drift.? However in this case, a blatant attack in Dubai makes little sense. Nu Rafi, dibarta ve ani mamin. Good night from snowy Swiss Alps.
GOD BLESS YOU NIGEL AND ALL YOUR FAMILY FROM DANNY.
The video of the team has been all over the internet. Security cameras have them going into a hotel, the women changing hair color via a wig. Do you think the Mossad is so inept that it woUld not know where security cameras are but would blithly proceed in such an unprosessional way? PLEASEEEEE!!!!!
this sly language suggest that, one way or another, the UK helps the mossad in getting needed documents.
No proof Israel is involved and more and more points to MI5 involvement -like info on British pass holders residing in Israel could only have be passed by the Brits ,to ,say,Saudi intelligence. Why would Israel incriminate own citizens is beyond comprehension ,especially when Dubai is awashed with hundreds of thousands of citizens of Pakistan or India or Morocco ,passports of whom could easily be obtained for 100$ apiece .
Do you honestly believe that this monster was responsible for just 2 deaths?? If that is the case, then you are either ignorant and/or naive. Sammi Kundar..your next!!!
The Poles did it. 9Poles to open door, 1Pole to kill the bugger.
This was far too sloppy for the Mossad.Far too many loose ends....Would they be so unprofessional to use passports which belong to Brits living in Israel? Well time will tell...
At least you're honest enough to admit that the statement needs proving...
people are entering britain every day with forged passports.or no passports knuckle rapping is as far as it gets.
It makes sense that the Mossad would use Israeli names, so then they can use that as an alabi. Professing that it would be absurd to use actual Israeli names is the perfect cover, and can be used to deflect suspicion on to the Arabs.
An arrest warrant has been issued in Dubai for AL FAHIM the director of Portsmouth FC.I think there were eleven others involved how many in a football team. I wonder if we add this to all of the other theories.
Who trusts a person who blows hot and cold at the same time? God, I feel so sorry for decent Israelis. No one should have to hang their heads in shame because of a few assholes. Salaam/Shalom
You mean like Mahmoud al-Mabhouh did?
So you actually believe that there are some ex-Brit Israelis in Israel who willingly allowed the Mossad to use their names and "second passports" for an undercover job?
If Mossad were involved then two aspects of this operation anger me (and i expect many others) 1- what amateur operation killing him in a hotel, a place were there bound to be recorded on CCTV 2 -Useing the identitys of British/Israeli Jews- an own goal if ever there was one. Proves British Jews are safer staying in the UK. So i do hope it was another goverment that has tried to pin it on israel. If this is the case then Israel will need say so -saying nothing will be far more damaging
Behind the scenes, Mossad and Netanyahu are bracing themselves for much scolding and foul language coming from Israel's nearest allies. Israel will now have a lot to explain to the rulers of The Arab Emirates and to four very important European governments.
for professionalism. This masterful hit puts James Bond to shame.
"...when you visit dubai... don`t be picking your nose when you think you`re all alone..." And stay away from their ladies...
Fatah is chaotic, incompetent and unsubtle and if they really wanted to kill this guy, they'd probably just blow his head off in a Gaza street. Same applies to most Arab intelligence agencies. Also, if somebody really wanted to go to these lengths to discredit Israel, much easier and more effective to have them plant a bomb somewhere that killed this guy but also killed plenty of innocent civilians.
I have no doubt that Mossad carried out this assassination. The use of the identities of British-Israeli dual nationals on the falsified passports points to the Mossad, plus Israel obviously had the strongest motive to take out this Hamas target. Far from being sloppy, this was a professional operation. The hit team entered Dubai without anyone taking notice, located Mamdouh and carried out the killing in his hotel quickly without arousing any suspicion,and left the country within hours, again without any hitches. It took the Dubai authorities a few weeks to even realize that an assassination took place, long after the hit team had left the country. This was a professional intelligence agency operation without a doubt.
The fact that foreign passports were used and the nightclub bouncer form Moldova has refused to deny or confirm Mossad's involvement. Doesn't just mean that Israel is aggressive, self-obsessed, arrogant and insensitive to it's allies, it is dismissive of them as well.
Who did this is not important.
I am no fan of Israel but I don't agree with you. I think your conjectures belong in the world of conspiracy theories... First the Mossad would never use so many people for one hit. This would endanger the mission. Second the Mossad would never use the names of Israeli residents. Yor theory regarding this point is farfetched and does not make sense. This is probably the action of a rival faction (like Fatah). Remember two Palestinians were already arrested regarding this matter.
Regardless of who was responsible for this operation, it was well done; no collateral damage. The point of who is responsible is moot, what matters is that Hamas has one less terrorist.
One thing I don't get about this is that one of the israeli's named with a german passport had never been to germany and was a u.s/israeli citizen.
The Dubai police said "senior Hamas official Mahmoud al-Mabhouh was murdered by an 11-member hit squad of mercenaries carrying European passports. See they are not Israelies ...they are mercenaries from Mercury. All kidding aside this investigation is being done by the keystone kops. And on another point...what is happening with the Ethiopian plane crash. the black boxes have been found weeks ago and still no results. Could it be that the plane was brought down by explosives put on by al qaeda. This is the information i have gleaned from "in" sources.
Once a operation became publicly known as Mossad-style, and beeing described in details, it can't be seen exclusively as Mossad operation. In contrary, I've got serious doubts, about the professionalism of people who run a operation with 11 (eleven!) persons, that could be easily carried out with five persons?
Ariya, I do not believe you, Col. Mustard is a well know antisemite and would have been collaborating with Mahmoud al-Mabhouh it was definitely Professor Plum with the Lead Pipe in the Ballroom.....I have proof!
1)Did anybody see the corpse of this Mahboub? .Until now we have only the word of the Dubai police.Wouldn"t be 1st. time a wanted criminal or terrorist fakes his own death and disappears.Until Dubai proves with forensic evidence that "some corpse" really matches Mahboub,anybody is entitled to doubt any murder was committed. 2)If he was so important to Hamas,and as they allege,Israel tried to kill him before, why was he allowed to travel alone,unprotected by any bodiguards? .Before jumping to conclusions about the Mossad competence or lack of it,we should think about these 2 questions.
Who's in charge of this "investigation"? Inspector Cluzot? Seventeen people so far??? What self-respecting intelligence service would use 17 people to kill one person? Each additional operative endangers the entire operation geometrically. Small teams would be used. And if it was Israel, they'd be pretty stupid to use the names of people who lived in Israel, as opposed to, say, people from a random foreign phone book. This whole thing sounds ridiculous as represented by Dubai. The bottom line: a murderer has been removed from the scene and we should all be relieved.
What the whole sofa mess with the Turkish ambassador indicated was that this Israeli government is aggressive, self-obsessed, arrogant, insensitive to allies, and not hugely intelligent. The Dubai killing, if it was done by Mossad would show all the same characteristics. People wonder why they've left clues pointing to Israel. It may be they just didn't care about offending allies whose passports they've abused, but it may well have been intentional. Like Ayalon whispering to the media about the flag and sofa, it may be that for today's Mossad secret punishment isn't enough. They want the world to know. And, of course, after Livni-gate in London, it's quite likely that some right-wingers in Mossad thought it would be clever to give Britain the finger like this - again just like Lieberman, Ayalon and Turkey.
Jewish people are always complaining that they can't go or visit countries such as Dubai or do business ther. Is it any wonder with policies such as these that it will continue that you will not be able to visit or do business there? Great job at diplomacy
She needs to be indicted for treason!
It is apparent the 'steps taken by Israel to ensure that British passports are not used again' in intelligence operations was pure lies. This endangers British, and especially Irish civillian everywhere. But of course, Israel doesn't care. This was a textbook Mossad operation: a small group of people, in and out quick, and they already HAD THE KEY TO THE VICTIM'S HOTEL ROOM. This last point is key. in By Way Of Deception, Victor Ostrovsky, a Mossad defector, points out that the Mossad had master keys to virtually every hotel in Europe. It seems their key collection also includes the Middle East...Extrajudicial assassination: another clear violation of international law, by the country that prides itself on UN resolution violations.
the killing of an unarmed man in a hotel room took 11 assasins to execute the killing , how can israel execute the distruction of Iran's burried nuke production? The last war against Hizbullah took 33 days and was perceived to be a loss. To me this means that netanyahu et al are huffing and puffing hot air.
How about using a forged passport to illegally gain entry into a country?
This story reminds me of an old American joke I heard years ago. A sheriff in a small southern town in Alabama was driving through the woods when he saw a blck man hanging from a tree, he took the body down and found that the hands were tied behind the man's back, he had 6 bullet holes in him and about 10 knife stab wounds. The sheriff took the body of the black man to the coroner who immediately pronounced it as the worst case of suicied he ever seen. Maybe the killing in Dubai was just a suicied and nothing more
Why doesnt this stupid fool Liberman ever keep his mouth shut.He is an ambarassment
Tell that to the Israeli Brits whose second passports were used to enable entry into Dubai of the hit squad.
lists of arests upon arrival at Heathrow airport. Bon Voyage mes amis.
Me think you speak with forked tongue and typical of centuries old 'blood libel' logic. No matter what, Jews are blamed even when there is no direct proof. After all,somehow I control the world. I must be doing a poor job if your still around ..lol..and unfortunately I haven't won a lottery yet.
Actually, I think the killing was done by someone who loves to see about 100,000 people spend endless hours speculating as to who is responsible. Lets create a board game with pieces representing Israel, Drug smugglers, UK, Ireland, Arabs, Men from Mars, Jilted Lovers...etc, etc. Without these occasional assassinations how would we pass our time? Really....who cares.....Just another dirtbag eliminated.
I doesn't have mossad written all over it. Mossad agents would have known there were cameras in the hotel and airpot, and many other little details the killers sememed to ignore. 2 Palestinians have been arrested in Jordan and handed over to Dubai and a Hamas smuggling dealer has been arrested in Damascus - which indicates that the guy may have been bumped off by someone who he may have swindled or who wasn't happy with him for some reason. The fact that Israelis may be happy with the outcome is not grounds for accusations that Israel is responssible for his death.
Doesn't matter who did it, let the guilty go free, as long as Israel can be blamed. The Jews did it "again" I'll bet anything, that if someone in the Arab world to-day would take responsibility for this act, the people here would still say that Israel paid them to take the blame
If the next middle east war is run as efficiently as the mossad mess,the outcome will be as disastrous as the Dubai operation. I am reserving a front seat.
the mossad best in the world even from its inception they know how to get a job done we need the mossad in america
Why doesn't the fool go to the U.N. and talk about how clever Mossad is? Mossad's or Shin Bet's next operation should be to kidnap him and take him back to wherever he came from and make sure he doesn't leave there. Does anyone know if he is an alcoholic? He sure behaves like one
how the man died ? 3 offers on homicide electrocuted ? suffocated ?injected with poison |?? no extradition could ever be succesful on such flimsy pretexts !
Dubai is playing Judge, Jury and Prosecutor framing pictures of travelers and building a story to fit their crap when there is no proof that these individuals committed the act that they are being accused. Dubai selectively compile pictures picked by Security Camera of people coming and going at the airport and hotels as if they were the only people moving around in these busy places. The fact is there were thousands of other travelers at the airport and hotels. Why weren't their pictures shown? If Dubai knew these individuals and were able to monitor their movements why weren't they questioned in the first place? With this kind of crap coming from Dubai, tourists will be reluctant to travel to Dubai.
Definately not a Mossad job,Israel would not risk putting so many operatives in such a short period of time for such a job that has no benefit for Israel and risks Israels ongoing operations in the Arab world, and I'm sure they have operatives in all Arab countries is shear lunacy. This operation was carried out by either Iran, Fathah or Hamas themselves, and at the same time to put blame on Israel. These people know that if their operatives get caught they will immediately be sent back home and the whole mess quietly covered up.
dude it doesn't take a genius to see who did what ...its a matter of honesty not intelligence... get it Ray Charles can see who did it and its MOSSAD...and now the Israel's foreign minister says "there is no reason to think the Mossad spy agency was behind the killing of a Hamas operative in Dubai".....come on Really? ...No Reason At All? You got to be kidding
We obviously do not know, or need to know, exactly how the Mossad operates to guarantee the integrity of Israel and the Jewish people. However it seems to me that in all probability this was not the work of the Mossad. I say that because the organization must be aware that in a place like Abu Dhabi they would know that the hotel and the airport would be covered with CCTV cameras that would show every movement in both locations. I would suspect that the Mossad would operate on a more sophisticated way than the killing of al-Mabhouh would indicate. One more thing. It is certain that many people and organizations in the Arab world would wish to see al-Mabhouh dead.
Jews are what god wants them to be. If they are as powerfull as you think them to be, then it is time for you to do some retrospetion. Are you not barking up a wrong tree?
The man did pre meditated murders of civilians. If IDF soldiers did pre meditated murders of civilians, (colateral damage is not a crime!) Then indeed they should be procecuted. Do you have facts of pre meditated murder (not hearsay) to call to justice IDF soldiers?
Come on Lets be honest ....We all know This one has Mossad written all over it.....
and this is just one of the reasons why
Of course Israel Bouncer in Chief, Avigdor Lieberman doesn't have enough sense to keep his mouth shut.
We now know the assassins and their 'names' along with their passports. It doesn't take a genius to figure out where these people live. The other side can similarly deal these 'assassins' and let their government handle the aftermath. To use its own citizens' passports for assassination cover can backfire badly if these citizens are actually innocent parties as claimed.
Israel is the only nation in the Middle East that should be under sanctions. Afterall - Israel refuses to have it's own illegal nukes inspected, they commit war crimes and genocide and they use false passports to kill other people in different countries. If it was undercover CIA agents killing an enemy in Israel we wouldn't hear the end of it!
Lieberman is the worst. It's the job of the foreign minister to make nice to the other countries. This guy everybody hates. He should be replaced with someone likable like Livni. Bar Rafaeli would be better. This act should be totally denied with indignation. Even if you did it.
they had a motive and a long memory... Mahmoud al-Mabhouh was responsible for the murder of Israelis... perhaps he was planning more. As to the Israelis who identities were stolen, they should feel proud... they are "paying their dues" by being drafted into the service of their beloved new homeland.
If the Dubai security agencies are not sure of who killed this guy,then the accusations against Israel are from people who know nothing about nothing. Or maybe just some more Israel bashing from the know nothing crowd.
according to the former nightclub bouncer from Moldova. It is going to be interesting to see how this pans out, British politicians are openly blaming Mossad for this, and they will demand a response. And as attacking Israel gets more support amongst the British electorate than defending Israel. And there is an election here in 8 weeks. Then we'll see just what the nightclub bouncer is made of or whether Peres or Barak will be sent to pour oil on troubled waters.
A hit squad of 17 people sent to kill an unarmed man with no security. To make it hilarious, they Mossad steal the identity of their own citizens to do the job. That is just amazing. True, they managed to kill mahboub, but with a footage of their faces on every newspaper in the world. This is adding to the worldwide hatred of Israel..Forget about mahbub. No one heard of him before. But we now all know how silly the Mossad are..Shalom Shalom Shalomm...or whatever
Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman on Tuesday said that there was no proof Israel was behind the incident of insulting the Turkish abmassador by putting him on the naughty chair. "This was clearly some other intelligence service or country up to some mischief," said Lieberman, "probably MI6 or the Iranians got in there before the meeting and managed to replace the ambassador's normal chair with the low sofa and steal the Turksih flag." He added "we're looking for a suspicious furniture removal van with foreign number plates seen driving away just a few minutes before the meeting."
that mr straight-talk would be more in favor of openness regarding these matters. You know, to show how tough Israel still is etcetera....
...should get a medal! They did the wrold a huge favor.
why didn't mr lieberman outrightly state that israel's mossad didn't do it? he might have told a lie, outright. so, he says israel uses a policy of ambiguity. since ambiguity and lies are from the devil, israel is taking sides with the devil in not speaking outrightly the truth.
Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman on Tuesday said that there was no proof Israel and the IDF were behind Cast Lead. 'Come on, Guys' he said, ' do you think Israel waould be stupid enough to carry out an operation that did so much damage to Israel's credibility and do it openly using people wearing Israeli uniforms, with Israeli names and Israeli equipment. Cast Lead was clearly the work of some foreign agency out to discredit Israel - porbably the Saudis or those Egyptians. We'll have to bomb their Aswan dam for this.'
It is time to dethrone him before it is too late!
359 assassins (not counting extended support team). This is getting ridiculous.
Lets suppose it was the Mossad, though I have my doubts. Mossad sends 17 operatives to an Arab country where they can easily fall into the hands of the Dubai government. They go about forging passports, running around the city with bags full of equipment including costumes for disguise. Then they execute an operation in which a man who is behind the arms smuggling into Gaza is killed. Those weapons fall in the hands of Hamas, who uses them to target civilians, sometimes even killing fellow Palestinians. The operatives targeted a terrorist, without and civilian casualties. Let me give you an example of a cowardly act. When an individual straps himself with explosives, walks into a pizza shop, club or bus, and blows himself up killing countless civilians. Though from the way you portray your arguement, the latter deserves the applause.
not bad! they have just about everything on tape except the actual murder! pretty dam good! i'm impressed. they've tied it all together pretty well. now they just need to get hold of the suspects. makes one thing clear though: you always under an eye when you visit dubai. so don't be picking your nose when you think you're all alone.
If any of the people are picked up by the police, then can each plead "innocence", becuase each set of 1 or 2 people took a very small part. For example, the 2 who found out the hotel room numbers, could plead they were just there by mistake, wrong place, wrong time, etc... Of course they were not all there for the torture and the killing/murder part. Of course they tortured him to get as much information about hamas/iran before murdering him.
My spelling may need some improvement, but just watch the C4 7pm news in London, yesterday. The dubai cheif of police said, if we find a definite connection with mossad, we will issue an arrest warrent for Nathanyhu, becuase he would have had to given the go ahead for it. This is no Venom, just pure facts/quotes from the media.
look at you all acting all surprised that Israel is considered as a suspect in this murder! Israel is not above such cowardly attacks! they have done it repeatedly throughout their "bright" history. so please, stop the acting, you got caught and someone will be humiliated and presented to the courts sooner or later.
You make a good point as do others here. But do you honestly think if Mossad was going to forge passports they'd use identities of Israeli citizens? This is looking less like Mossad as info comes out. 17 people... and that's just the ones they're aware of.
After the 2nd WW most ALL countries got organized - the main holdouts were isolated communists and even they (esp China) realize it's better to cooperate normally. Notice how the countries that are left in the dust are those that spend more time hating others than building for their own people. Palestinians are the best example - Arafat could have had a productive nation (that could thumb their noses at Israel) had he spent his life, time, and money (both earned and donated) on building his country instead of trying to destroy someone elses.
iam not fool to believe that passports of innocent israeli citizens were stolen as claimed in the israeli media outlets. Why don't you all fly to Dubai to defend yourselves and prove your innocence iF You are innocent . personally I dobut your innocence. criminals must be brought to justice.
This guy made a bad deal with someone - ripped them off or something. Mossad has missed targets before and maybe it's because they didn't involve so many people. One article said 4 "burly guys" were there just to break into his room - Mossad wouldn't need or risk so many getting caught - by then it was already known the guy was traveling alone.
if you could spell and articulate your 'venom' correctly you might be credible! meanwhile...show me the "beef'!
I thought my post was rather innocculous. Suggesting no guilty parties and inferring killing on perceived guilt was wrong. You, however seem to be defending your country(Israel) Obviously you believe the Mossad did this murder,(not my current belief)otherwise, why the defense? For your information David, I believe killing 12 innocent people to kill three combatants is a war crime assuming the twelve innocents were known to be there. There are no "double standards" with me as I believe every country should be held accountable to International Law and every person to civil law. How about you?
on cctv there are clearly more than the 10 (11 - peter) agents visible. in total 2 women. maybe this operation needed more agents, as it was very different from others: cctv was unavoidable, and therefore it HAD TO look like a natural death. this unfortunately failed and therefore it was really easy for dubai police with their cctv everywhere to figure out all the suspects. also, (part of?) the group used the same not too common network provider, obviously...). as soon as the violent death was detected, the whole operation with all its actors was too. but this must have been clear from the beginning. as dubai guy says there are fingerprints as well. at least once someone touched a very uncommon thing to touch, which very most likely never gets cleaned (see vids)...
You people don't realise how serious this could become. The cheif of dubai police, last night on C4 news, said, if we find a connection with mossad, we will issue an arrest warrent for Nathanyhu, becuase he would have known about it and sanctioned it. you already have arrest warrents in England.
wow, it seems that mossad is not anymore what it used to be, 11 dudes (11 risks of get caught) for a single guy without any security around him :) ... that's a low level of professionalism, you guys should ask your gouvernement to comply : 1 - with international law : killing is illegal 2 - your own country rules (i heared israel is a democracy .. well i think sadam Hussein's regime could also be labeled a democracy if we compare overseas killings policy poor israel, the mirage continues
when we find out he was offed by some rival faction and not the big bad mossad.
I agree with Nati - Mossad has not and never would send so many people to do such a thing - they are too efficient. Hope they never find those involved - one less sh-- disturber on the planet...
How come no state response to those few whose lives are ruined. Response means willingness to aid them too. How come all these stories about nobody being groomed to take over mossad in future but on the contrary being pushed back. And are tel avivians to pay next for one or two sherrifs who decide to attack iran because they'll have nukes even though Israel has nukes and same sherrifs will be in safe bunkers anyway when all hell breaks out?
Because they were Israelis. Don't you know Israelis/Jews can do anything, can reach anywhere. You are US citizen? right?:Tell me how come Ziosnist/ Israeli lobby controlling USA? US does what Israel wants. My friend everything is easy for Jews. After 2nd World war Jews got organised. and well organised.
Try phoning directory enquiries ask for Mossad's phone No ,and ask them if they were involved.As to the numbers involved they grow by the minute,first it was 6,then11it is now 17,if this goes on,Mossad would have moved to Dubai lock stock and 4 barrels
But they would send 6 agents to murder one innocent waiter.
How about the munich killings?
This is definitely not a Mossad operation. They wouldn't need 17 operatives to kill this Hamas thug. Looks more like an inside job to me.
I know nothing! You want me to wear that wig with that mask and that two-cent beard does not even go with that green hat which clashes with my eyebrows.
There are many fingerprints left behind, though fake passports were used. Not all details were made public. At least one of the guys will be identified and the whole thing will get clearer who was behind it. I have no doubt that it was Mossad.No one else-
from Dubai port , Malaysia , N.Korea many electronics and other components transit to Iran nuclear program .
after suicide bombers? You seem confused about who does that.
I dont see how Mossads fingerprints are seen here. To many resources where put into catching one guy. The Mossad will never send a team of almost 20 to catch one man. This is def not Mossad.
You can't kill on belief of guilt? Do you even read the news about Afghanistan? You know, Monday's item about 12 people being killed by a drone-launched missile as 3 suspected Taliban members were in there? Double standards or what?? Oh, OK, we're a small country so you can push us around, I get it... sounds fair.
you have to give those Israelis credit,while dumbai security at the airport was looking for poppy seed crumbs on incoming tourists the Israelis sneeked in and killed there target .....hey TSA stop looking for contraband and start looking for terrorists!
if this kill is justified, cos this man killed 2 israeli "soldiers". then how many israelis who killed palestinan "civilians" shall we justify killing?
This poor 'innocent guy' was leader of a ring that was smuggling long range high explosive surface to surface missiles into Gaza, to reach large cities, terrorize, maim, and kill the population of all Southern Israel. He deserved to die slowly with maximum suffering. He was one lucky dude.
how many trained monkeys you need to kill one man?
With all the information released so far it's impossible to identify any government as resposible. But when the government or organization is identified through evidence rather than speculation they should be arrested and put on trial for murder. It matters little that the victim is perceived to be a terrorist. We cannot just kill on belief of guilt.
Actually I hope it was Mossad doing, as it should, a good job !
Dubai police have arrested two Palestinians who provided logistical support to the hit squad. The West Bank and Gaza Strip are frequent witnesses to the executions of collaborators. Why blame the Mossad?
Just another example that shows Israle is rapidly becoming a "rogue" State.
You gotta be freakin' kidding me! SEVENTEEN??? Was the union shop steward included? I was right, it WAS the Histadrut!
Someone - Mossad or other - sent 17 assassins to kill one Hamas guy? Who was he - Superman?
Pretty please dubai, add me to the list. I was the 2nd gunman. Beleive me i wouldnt lie about that. Oh and then come over to NYC and arrest me. Good luck.
It was Col. Mustard with a pair of scissors in the kitchen of the hotel room ! I'm sure of it !
And of course the do-buyers will buy it. Eat it up. You can already see talkbackers screaming for Israeli blood in related articles. What? Now Dubai only says they're "not ruling out" Israeli involvement? What a disappointment to the billions of genetically programmed Israel/Jew-haters! Not fair that this "Mossad" story is collapsing like a house of cards! It's just not fair!
If, as Ireland and the UK says, the passport numbers are either the wrong lenght or must contain letters and they do not, how did they even get into Dubai with obviously fake passports?