U.K.'s boycotters of Israel support a single-state solution

Anti Semitism didn't die after WWII, It just disguised as Anti Israel these days. Most of the left and racists western criticism towards Israel doesn't based on known facts but a lot of ProPalganda. Unfortunately there will be no peace as long as the Arab mothers hate Jews more than they love their sons, as bright and clever Golda Meir once said. We see it until today while they are killing their own people and their own children with great amount of enthusiasm. Palestine is the historical land of the Jewish people and no other ME people created local nationality nor a statehood. History sometimes produces dichotomy situation which faded through the years. It seems that the Arab Palestinian inchoate object and amorphous project will collapse at the end revealing its lies and deception. Arabs have 22 countries to kill themselves freely as they systematically http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/483/521.html Do. Why not peacefully let the Jews preserve their own state

Arabs are from the "Arabian Peninsula". So, what are they doing in Palestine, across North Africa and elsewhere. Why? Because of the largest and longest lasting colonization effort in history: Jihad. The 7th Century saw a wave of violent barbarians sweep across Africa, the Iberian Peninsula, the Balkans and into India. A millenia later, the 2nd major jihad was stopped at the gates of Vienna. The 3rd is now in progress. The stated goal of Arab Islam is a global caliphate run by Sharia Law, a law were the superiority of Muslims is pre-eminent, where dhimmis can't speak in court against Muslims, and where we're ritually dehumanized in Allah's name. So don't embarrass yourself whining about colonization. Get an education. That, of course, means a "Western" one, since yours pretty much stops at the Koran and bomb making.

Because lots of people on this board hassle Israel for many things it does wrong and nobody calls that antisemitic. It's when people such as you decide you can say anything you want about Israel, truthful or not, can ignore much worse things done elsewhere in the world, don't care that it's the Arabs who declared and wage war, and otherwise distort what's going on in the single Jewish majority nation on earth, well you're using "anti-Israel" as a substitute for "antisemitism". Different word, same semantic meaning.

The problem with your solution is that the Israelis that are in the West Bank think that they are entitled to this land and are very well represented in the Knesset and Washington. The UN is powerless.

Can anyone answer why is it that any time there is any criticism against Israel that the first thing the spews out of a Jew's mouth is they Anti-Semitic. That is a load of garbage and the reason they do this is to discredit the Anti-Israeli comments. There is a distinct difference between Anti-Israeli and Anti-Semitism. Please understand the difference people so that both sides can work together because they all deserve better than the never ending cycle of hatred and violence.

the syrian prime minister at the time I believe admitted making a mistake in calling for arabs civilins to flee so that they can slaughter the jews in peace. duncan ps where is the islmic reference that at the end of times all rocks will call for the killing of jews. and does one get extra points if one brings this date forward. If there is no such reference I apologise if I have insulted your faith.

(1)there are legal and illegal occupations. as far as I know the security council has never called the '67 occuption illegal. (2)according to this quote settelements I believe would be legal after oslo, and the legal status of west bank is not clear cut. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement#_note-Lacey (3)but President Ronald Reagan stated that they were legal, though he considered them an obstacle to negotiations.[46] any commennts http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp470.htm nder Oslo, Israel transferred specific powers from its military government in the West Bank and Gaza to the newly created Palestinian Authority. Already in 1994, the legal advisor to the International Red Cross, Dr. Hans-Peter Gasser, concluded that his organization had no reason to monitor Israeli compliance with the Fourth Geneva Convention in the Gaza Strip and Jericho area, since the Convention no longer applied with the advent of Palestinian administration in those areas.13

The most promising line of attack to counter the British boycott, that I have seen so far, was an article published in the Spectator in 2005. This is the opening paragraph: Pay attention, Professor. If you support the proposed academic boycott of Israel ? and if you are to remain intellectually honest ? prepare for a radical lifestyle change. Firstly, unplug your computer. Good. Now switch off your interactive digital television set. Well done. And now throw away your mobile phone. Excellent. You see, Professor, these machines are not only the engine of the globalised, capitalist world but they also depend on technologies that have been produced by Israeli academics in the Zionist entity. The article is by Douglas Davis, the title is Anti-Semitic Studies, and the full text is available online here: http://www.spectator.co.uk/archive/features/13529/antisemitic-studies.thtml

It's the Arab way. "who created the palestinian diaspora." That would be the Arab League and Arab Higher Committee, who rejected UNR181 and declared war on Israel's existence. BTW: The Arabs also created the ethnic cleansing of 800,000 Jewish refugees, of which the tiny nation of Israel absorbed 600,000 -- while the Arabs put 472,000 of your brethren in camps where they remain 60 years later. It's really simple: If you were honest, peaceful and moral people, there would have been peace for the last 60 years.

Israel's defence against palestinian terror has been quite mild by arab standards. saddam killed a million of his own people, for selfish motives. and the palestinians view him as an arab hero. As I doubt tht Israel has killed more than 5,000 palestians in defensive operations, This means that the plestinians should vote israel into most saintly nation. The palestinins say there cannot be peace without justice, so let them show some. duncan

Hello Ronnie, Thanks for your comments, which I will bear in mind. (Incidentally, you are the good man of this Board.) Generally, when I suggest a solution, it has little risk involved, because the plug can be pulled out at any moment. This is unlike Oslo. It needs to be stressed more. Unfortunately, the onus is going to be on us. We simply cannot rely on the other side to do the right thing. These are just general thoughts. Thanks again for your comments.

As I said it seams from your post that you don?t really understand Israel?s actions from the start of the Palestinian Intifada. Targeted killings have been used, and are used, when a known leading terrorist whom is still playing a roll in the fight, by recruiting children and women for suicide booming and other terrorist activities. Those how are killed by targeted killings are no saints!!! Separation barriers have been setup as a security precaution, without them Israel is vulnerable to every terrorist alive!!! This is no different from no other country that values her citizen?s life!!! Israeli only roads are new roads built that were built in the territories to bypass roads that have been proven dangerous for stealers, and have got a lot of Israelis dead! I don?t expect you to understand because obviously you have a clear agenda of not understanding!

who created the palestinian diaspora ? and why? do u dare to honestly answer this question ,if u ever had honesty in your upraising?

is western civilization that of colonializm or is it of world wars, or may be it is of bankrupting all other nonwhite sociaties, or may be that of imposing one single brutal culture on other cultures, or what? u better be ashamed of your selves relating to such brutal colonial dehumanizing volgur

you said "Rest aasured, if it was the UK brutalising Israel I would be Boycotting them" So go boycott the UK for brutalizing Iraq!!! Alot of brutal treatment is going on there!!!

You say that the march was against the occupation, not calling for the destruction of Israel. Apparently, you were alone in this opinion. According to the article, the boycotters are for a 'one-state' solution. Of course, the one-state solution is for the destruction of Israel and its replacement with a sharia Islamic state controlled by Hamas. Thanks for attending a demonstration so opposed to your own opinion. Maybe you should attend a pro-Israel demonstration too that is against the destruction of Israel. It is a delight to deal with the deluded left.

Mr. Tom Segev is a brilliant man. He understands Americans and he understands Israelis. The solution to the Isreali-Palestinian conflict is to immediately establish an independent Palestinian state separated from Israel by a continuous Wall. Ghandi relocated and separated all terrorist Muslims from Hindus by creating a separate Pakistan free from India. Endure the temporary pain and pull the diseased tooth before the infection kills the body. Declare Jerusalem a World Heritage site owned by no one and preserved as sacred to ALL visitors and controlled by the same United Nations that created the modern state of Israel. Finance the reconstruction of the new West Bank Palestine state to modern standards with an International Oil Tax collected by OPEC and distributed to the new Palestinian government. Return Gaza to Egyptian control. Compensate the Israelis who were removed from Gaza and West Bank settlements from the same Oil Tax fund used to compensate the displaced Palestinians.

Ask the Scotish if they like the English...Ask the Irish if they like the English...ask the French if the like the English...ask the Germans if the like the English...ask the Argentines if they like the English...

On a personal level i would prefer that our country break off ties to the U.N,it has past its useby date and has become corrupt by countrys like America who are using it"UN" to push theirs and their flunkies own agenda's,like the invasion of Iraq, what a mess thats turned out to be. Selectively outraged..sorry again Peter the people who have created most of the problems on this planet are the very people inside the so called Quartet who are pulling the strings in the Middle East and else where.

The Brits who allowed themselves to be sorrounded & surrendered to the Iranians on the high seas. The fight for Afghanistan going nowhere. The rot seems to be setting in. Israel is fine economically and physically strong.

Agreed, it has become grotesque! Regards

And not in favor of UK. Academics moral shift is a sign of a deep trouble in UK from within. And this is not because of "Jewish power" or something like that. Attitude towards Jews was a canary bird throughout the history and a first sign of deseased society.

Please keep in mind that most Jews in Israel are Sabras, many originally from Muslim states, and in fact Holocaust survivors and their descndents are a minority, albeit an important one. Israel is the only home and country that these many Israelis, and even their parents, have ever known. I make this point only because it is easy to fall into the trap of making the Holocaust the central issue of politics with regard to Israel. Indeed, opponents of Israel do their very best to do just that, as evidenced by denials, or those who accuse Israel of exploiting the issue. I also wanted to ask you how you know for certain that Tosefta is a scientist. Take care, and regards, Cipora

Remind us when you last bought that up. You would not want anybody to think that you are just another selectively outraged progressive.

Duncan would you insist on the Israeli Government apologising for it,s felony,s against the Palestinians.Does Israel,s refusal to do so that have implications about the value it puts on Palestinian lives. Regards

I get it. If the Palestinians would stop resisting the , Illegal Settlememnts/collective punishments/1000,s in jail without trial/Helicopter Gunship attacks/endless roadblocks etc and all the others I already mentioned then they could have "What'. BTW have you ever seen Clinton,s offer written down anywhere??. ). Remember Barak and his famous ,"Went further than any PM went before. Guess what Sharon was kicking his ass using Baraks own words(which were pure lies anyway)and with two weeks left before the election Barak upt.d and went back to Israel to try to save his ass. Arafat did not walk away but later on seeng the general gist of the so called offer he rejected it. If you want a credible source try Schlomo ben ami,s Scars of war, wounds of peace. Rgards

Looking carefully at the organizers of the boycott campaign, one finds (1) islamists (2) rabid propalestinian individuals, whose main idea is that Israel is guilty for anything happening in midlle east (3) leftists, and in particular trotskyites, including a significant number of jews and israelis. The most interesting part of the pro-boycott propaganda is the use of words. I saw one of the most rabid israeli jews denouncing "genocide of palestinians by Israel" on the basis of one family being killed in the territories on a fateful day, and a prevision that more and more families would be killed. Most of this rather twists the sense of words beyond recognition. Therefore, a bit of cross-examination is in order: if someone accuses any party of "genocide", ask for the definition of genocide and for the texts of international law on which it is based. If someone says "ethnic cleansing", ask for fact and legal basis (and do not forget the case of Jews from muslim countries).

remind us please,otherwise some of might think you are just another "progressive" in the Arab aplogy industry,rather than a highly principled supporter of the UN.

From where i'm at i see those who call themselves the Chosen People just like in Moses time wandering through the desert for years after the Exodus out of Egypt putting up with all kinds of hardships in the journey to find the Promised Land. You are on that journey and you haven't realised it yet,the land of Canaanite and its people are there waiting for you to recognise them,until that day you will continue to wander in the desert.

While britain is not responsible for the holocaust, its policy of illegally banning jews desparate to escape europe from emigrating to Palestine (white paper) in contravention of the league of nations mandate made the numbers murdered much greater. so the Uk has some responsibilty for many of those killed. compounding the felony, britain has never apologised for its role in their deaths. Suggesting it still believes they were not worthy of saving. Duncan

"When we want a lesson in ME politic's we will not ask you". peter sm Sorry Peter our country has ties with the UN which you choose to ignore when resolutions are passed against you ,thats the difference i'm voicing my views since my country supported some of those resolution. As for the Treaty neither Australia or Israel are signatories.

What about stopping "house demolitions/ targeted killings/seperation barriers/Israeli only/roads on occupied territory etc, etc"? Is that already offered by formenr pres. Clinton and rejected by Arafat? Would it be more logical to boycott those who refused to make peace on those conditions?

Science doesnt sell.What sells is empathy. What sells is filling the need of the buyer. Information gives people confidence but empathy tell people you care about them. You cannot sell the jews unless you care about the jews. You have skipped that point. Intellectual ideas are not enough.Lab results are not enough.Caring is more than enough to start. If we cant sell the arabs on our ideas we better have a good shpiel for the jewish crowd otherwise nothing is going nowhere. So Good defence and security is number one. Just to say do this and this will happen is fine.It works in the lab.But no one will buy it. How can we give the jews security??????? Answer this is in a lab and you have got it.

First of all thank you for your enlightenment. There is no doubt that there are sensitivities by most Jews as we have all learned from a young age that the defence of Israel is the most important thing.It is the oasis from not only the Holocaust but also from pogroms for centuries and longer.Although we are thinking people,this inherrant need to survive by creating defence supercedes the needs of the Palestinians.This is the prime point for most Jews here. And because the Palestinians dont make it any easier for Jews to help them,then only idealists mostly really care.The rest of us are looking at survival. We have to keep the power and then when the time is right we can ALSO do the right thing. When it is safe to do so. We can discuss all relevant issues like the court/settlers and virtually everything else but what remains in the same points as above. I understand what you mean about the lack of confidence in the arabs.We all know have that.Pls see part II

Schizophrenia comes to mind. Like the term "progressive" was applied to the communist dictatorships.

numbers for next week. In 1948 who would have predicted 5 Arab armies (+ British and Nazi mercenaries)bent on genocide would have been sent packing?

What missed "opportunity to get a two state solution"? When it was offered to Israel? Indeed there was an oportunity to get a two Arab state solution. It is a catastrophy either way.

You wrote: "You quote somebody who opposed the boycott. The side that supported the boycott won." Incorrect. The author of that quote was on the side that supported the boycott. He writes: "I supported a selective form of the academic boycott." He later concluded (from his own experience as a supporter) that the boycott was ineffective and contrary to the values it purported to support. Please get your facts straight.

I leave arguments and blame-exchange to others who seem to enjoy trading abuse and insults rather than debate. My response to your request to ask me to provide sources to what you disparaged as 'drivel' is, once again, here: http://s109811772.websitehome.co.uk/bigcampaign/uploads/pdfs/bigcampaignboycottlist.pdf It is a list at first but the devil is in the detail well down under the small print for each of the big firms. Please do not disappoint by dismissing it without reading it carefully.

Alan, Israel has in the recently wanted a settlement with a Palestinian State. Because of peace with Egypt and Jordan, and the end of Saddamite Iraq, Israel's security situation looked good for a while. Recently there was a war with Hizballah that was supported by Syria and Iran, and with the Gaza Hamas coup the security situation has deteriorated rapidly. Thus these Arabs Iranians and Pals have turned their back on the 2 state solution. Now the radical Arabs want one state, as do the Brit Academics. That state would certainly kill off millions of Jews and send the rest to exile. The Brits know that, and this must be classified as anti-semitism. The quetion is, "Why are these non-muslim, non-fascist Europeans so antiJewish?" Please check my post #406. With European civilization abandoning traditional Christainity in favor of "Judaeo/Chritianity", that is an abstract universal "Western Civilization" value system, they also expect and insist all Jews abandon particularist Judaism.

"I still want someone to explain how they can explain away their use of "ethnic cleansing" when the Arab populations both in Israel and the Palstinian authority has burdgeoned since 1948. Any takers?" And lets not forget Israel committing "genocide" and funny that, the Arab population still rises. How can the Left have the audacity to continue to do this to the meaning of words ?

I wonder what you think about the silent majority in Israel and their view of the settlers etc.As there seems to be 60% or so numbers for some kind of peace agreement I would think that this indifference to the laws about the settlers by the centre of Israel (the silent majority) compared to the Palestinians (Jordanian Law)would change drastically if they would see some change in the Palestinian attitude to Israel.But based on your ideas of not putting onus on the arabs for they are not capable now (or yet) why should Israelis change about this part.That can come later.If Israel does some things in a positive manner,its doesnt mean they have to do everything.The Palestinians can respond. In reality to your ideas its a tough sell.It may be good strategy in the philosophical sense but selling it this way I think is doomed.The most you can hope for is stages. By the way thanks for the comments and explanation.

Thats where I thought you were coming from and I concur on this thinking.I agree that on this basis that defence is in Israels hands. I think you bother a lot of people because they dont really know where you are coming from.You dont make your statements based on inclusivity from the jewish side,rather they are statements from another place.To sell something people must relate otherwise its a hard sell.While the intellectual points may resonate somewhat they dont stick around too long and people stay with what they know and you complain that they are stupid but they just feel more comfortable and you havent made your case from their perspective only yours. (Scientists are not promoters,thought they want to promote their thesis)

The hamas militant group has taken over rule in the Gaza strip. they succeeded after days of internal fighting with the Fatah government.The IDF spokesman said "they were very well trained and very well equipped. they are not an organization but an army" the trouble has spilled over to the west bank where hamas militants are battling with Fatah soldiers for rule over the west bank. the hamas militant group has taken rule over the west bank and they control the Gaza strip. Now that Israel is surrounded by a militant army that overran the Gaza strip and the west bank, appealingly calling for the destruction of Israel, the Palestinians, backed by Syria, fighting the Lebanese army in the Palestinian refugee camp have intensified their efforts with the sudden appearance of very advance weapons. Syria that has been preparing its army for war openly for the last 2 months attacks from the north east. Iran begins firring missiles at Israel. Because Israel did not prepare their army by calling up reserves and putting the air force on high alert the day hamas took over Gaza, they were caught completely unprepared

Alan, as part of an educated nation, you need to get a grip on your spelling and grammar, and lose the shouting caps. Apart from that, I'm an American Jew that's lived in the UK almost 30 years off and on; no one has had an issue with my Jewish heritage, even though I reiterate over and over...I don't need Christmas or Easter cards! My Jewishness doesn't bother them (including the Muslim British), no matter how may times I remind them I'm Jewish, they just see me as a person (they even forget I'm American!). The British are prejudiced in the same vein as Archie Bunker (PBUH); they hate everyone equally, and mean nothing by it!

Nothing emotive in my post 262- and I did not refer to you profession - so what's your point? I see you have not refuted any of my points either.

First, and foremost, they have to learn to stop their incitements to hatred against Jews. The fact that the Protocols are in the Hamas charter is in keeping with a very long tradition in the Arab world. Second, they must put an end to imams preaching martyrdom and the cult of death.

any state as long its a sate og the people be it either or all of the oneones you suggested. ASked The present Gaza Strip State.(civil War) The current West Bank (suicide bombers,etc) The Northern (hizbullah) Lebanon type. Just which one would you suggest?

The EU offered israel associate status with it in the event of a deal with the palestinians, how that would constitute a "Jewish ghetto" is a ludicrous as saying that Greece in the EU is a Greek ghetto or Turkey as well, try to keep your loathing for Jews under control it comes out under stress.If you want to be a cheerleader for an anti semitic obscurantist,fascistic misanthropic and misogynist group and think you can call yourself a progessive well then enjoy your deluded little happy land.But outside of your cult cirlces people who quote the Protocols are usually viewed with some suspicion.You dont understand us at all.Not that I care really but your blindess and hypocrasy is really quite aggravating.The ME is for losers and I want israel out, they dont want us sand thats fine with me.

You wrote . "As one who comes from Ireland and fought back, Why didnt you boycott the UK with your UK friends. 1, How do you know I did not. 2,Rest assured,if it was the UK brutalising Israel I would be Boycotting them. In any event I and my UK friends have managed to do something that Zionists can,t seem to get a grasp on. Accept each others difference and make peace. When you find an Israeli government that truly wants peace, as opposed to house demolitions/ targeted killings/seperation barriers/Israeli only/roads on occupied territory etc, etc, there can be peace.But not until then. Stop turning people into fanatics through brutal treatment.Try a little honey. Sandpaper is not the answer and read Tosefta,s post on Bradley Burstons stream re Israel,s and Palestinian,s dreams and desires. regards.

These British guys are right. The Israel lobby just does not want to see that they have missed the opportunity to get a two state solution. There will not be a three state solution and not a two state one. Mr. Abbas supported by Israel and the US is a non starter. It will take 20-40 years but there will be one state or the catastrophy.

Special Dispatch-Qatar/Reform Project June 15, 2007 No. 1625 Qatari Reformist: The Root Cause of Terrorism is The Culture of Hate To view this Special Dispatch in HTML, visit: http://www.memri.org/bin/opener_latest.cgi?ID=SD162507 . Dr. Abd Al-Hamid Al-Ansari, former dean of the shari'a and law faculty at Qatar University, has recently published several articles in Gulf papers about terrorism and its root cause. According to Al-Ansari, terrorism is the outcome of a culture of hatred in the Arab countries, and in order to eliminate it, the culture of hate must be eliminated. The following are excerpts from the articles: Baseless Excuses for Terrorism In an article titled "How the Arabs Explain the Terror Phenomenon" in the Qatari daily Al-Raya, Al-Ansari criticized the ways in which the Arab world denies and ignores the phenomenon of terrorism, and refuted the political and socio-economic arguments justifying it: "...I don't understand the personality split in some people; they depict the terrorist in Iraq as a martyr and a resistance fighter...How can we term someone a martyr when he blows up schools and hospitals, does not respect the sanctity of religious sites, and, worse, blows himself up in restaurants and bus stations full of workers?!...

Please do try to calm down and not jump to emotive accusations. You do not know me or what I do professionally. I will indeed, as I said I would, provide you with the links to sources of information on the internet substantiating my argument about 'Made in Israel' when goods were made in the settlements, the Israeli blocking of the PA and the IPU, and of UK firms' directors discreetly funding sellter activities. It may be well after Ha'aretz have closed down this page and will probably be late next week. Try to think good of your fellow man rather than despise them for having views that might differ to yours.

Boycott is the first step from antisionist and pro Islamic organisations in UK. U.K is the next country to be islamized. I'd like to see the qeen with the burka or hijab. We might see it sooner than predictable.

Israel bashers have used the words "ethnic cleansing", "genocide" and "brutal occupation" so often as to have diluted their true meanings - if they ever knew them. Of course it's an emotional rabble rouser. I still want someone to explain how they can explain away their use of "ethnic cleansing" when the Arab populations both in Israel and the Palstinian authority has burdgeoned since 1948. Any takers?

Since when the hell does Israel want the Euphrates and the Sinai??/You brits are doing this all to appease your evergrowing Muslim population,Just like Chamberlain appeased Hitler,Your post reeks of Anti Semitic Paranoia,Grow Up.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ethnic cleancing? - Israel helps injured Palestinians, treats Palestinian children in their hospitals, provided economic aid, provided employment, abided by cease fires. Does your statement help your cause or does it help those illiterate people in Arab lands vent more anger and hatred against Israelis when they hear these statements. Grow up, you know this is not true.

Labhras one question As one who comes from Irland and fought back, Why didn'y you boycott the UK, whith your UK freinds?

The Palestinians, don't live in Israel, how can you compare it to Apartheid.They live where they live, Israeli's live in Israel. There is land that Israel occupies, most of it acts as a buffer zone. This is land that was taken when Arabs attacked Israel, confiscated land. Israelis right to defend itself should not be condemmed. Your failiure to see this should.

You might also complain to Stephen Fry, Harold pinter and a host of other British Jews who formed a group to "Get the word out' about Israel. You probably have no problem when Jews and their blind and brainwashed supporters shout down "Academics" attempting to bring the other side of the story to various campuses around the world. You folks are so full of Hypocracy. Save your displeasure for the criminal actions of the State if Israel and not those who are tryng to get some justice.

Australia and Aboriginals = apartheid...there are reservations and they are 2nd class citizens in every respect. Only given citizenship 40 years ago. USA/Canada and Indians in reservations....do the Indians enjoy same status as average white in their own country ? Brasil v indigenous indians in amazon rain forest.... kicked off their forests for plantations and many murdered in process. is this not colonialism and apartheid. where do they live once their homes have been burnt down ? The list is endless.....apartheid is actually the norm throughout most of the world....i guess you think apartheid doesnt exist in arab countries which would be the biggest laugh of all.

You 'can't accept fruits and vegetables that have come from stolen land from Palestinian farmers and villagers....' but it is of course perfectly moral to type that message out on your computer made using slave labor from China!!! Oy vey!!!

when we weant a lesson in ME politics we will not ask you

Of all the countries in the world, these jokers decide to boycott Israel. Not Iran, the Sudan, Russia or China. Of course Israel was chosen out of all these other countries, because it is far smaller and the Jews themselves are a minority. Its easy to propose a boycott of Israel, particularly when you can get the support of all those anti-semites to go along with you. How pathetic!

you still dont get it...try simplifying it to: I am a Jew. I am again being attacked by loads of people. They are attacking me and nobody else. They say it is because of what I do to the palestinians but they do not attack the palestinians for what they do to each other or what they do to me. why ? why are they so interested in attacking me ? CHRIS....would you not get pissed off and fight back ?

Your inability and refusal to see the pragmatic aspects of Hamas politics is rooted in your blind prejudice. There is a deep resentment in you against Palestinians for simply being where they are: in their occupied homeland, resisting a brutal occupation and refusing to play Uncle Tom. Ironically Hamas in some way is the mirror image of the tough Zionist new Jew, who is not to be messed with. Granted, you want the Jewish colonists out of occupied territory and a Palestinian state, but your growling gesture is devoid of the spirit of generosity and peace(oops, sorry for 1948). Instead of seeing Israel become integrated in the Arab world (with all the economic opportunities it affords), all you want is for it to be part of Europe, a sort of Jewish European ghetto separated from its environment. The Arab regimes have a lot to learn about democracy/human rights/freedom in general, but I do not see Arab persons as genetically untrustworthy as you seem to make out in an earlier post.

You wrote: "whoose [sic] property are you squatting on over there. BTW Isreland is not Britain,s [sic] sister and we only suck pints of Guiness [sic], not Nazis." Clearly you suffer from being an illiterate who can't spell or write a coherent sentence, so it is no wonder you are angry. Still, do try to educate yourself, so you can write grammatically and learn to spell; from there you could go on to learn to make rational arguments rather than show the world your own terrible limitations every time you write something here.

Yet, there is historical evidence to a the Jewish state as Greater Israel. This historical evidence is found as literature, buildings, and the recognition of Israel from sources outside of it, even from the Koran...which ultimately undercuts any argument the arabs have on ownership to this land. The hypocrisy of Blackwell and her friends in England does make me wonder whether it is one based on ignorance or plain antisemitism, like her Islamic friends. Jordan is more than 70% palestinian; if the palestinians have any claim at all, it is to Jordan, and therefore should ask for Jordan to be partitioned, not Israel.

Could you explain please . What is an "Antisemit". BTW I dropped the caps in the interest of good manners. It is not polite to yell. Please do educate me and enlighen me.

In the case of S. Africa, whites took over a land that they had no ties to whatsoever. They put in place a system of laws in order to control the rest of the population. The S.African laws would have eventually turned S. Africa into what India is today. A caste system. The caste system, like the apartheid is one that discriminates on colour. The case for Israel is different. The indigenous population was and is Hebrew. Hence, the Hebrews are, under this model, like the blacks of S.Africa. Not the other way round. The "blackness" is their jewishness. If the Hebrews were Muslim, then there would be no problem with the rest of the Arab world, except on how Islamic they were...(and also how black, since arab muslims are killing the black muslims in darfur). There is and never was an Arab state in Judea. Neither any literature that is historical to Palestine and shows an arabic state having developed culture in the sense of poetry, history, mathematics...

There is one thing Successive Israeli Government and their Racist Zionist supporters hate and that is a Palestinian who fights back. We in Ireland know somsthing of the same "Hatred" when we foght back. Have a nice day.

I am merely reporting what was written in the Jewish Chronicle and Ynet. You might not like the message, but you have no right to shoot the messenger, and no I haven't met him. Have You? So keep laughing, but the reality is the UCU boycott resolution was seconded by an Israeli Academic living and working in the UK. I suggest Israel puts its own house in order, before attacking anyone else.

Yes I have. I think that it might come on its own in many years from now. If enforsed through boycotts etc it might result in us being called dead people of Israel. That is how I see it now. Why do you think two states are bad? End to this madness would be nice.

How does someone attain your level of hypocrisy? You accuse me of trying to discredit the messenger then you do exactly that to Friedman without addressing the content of the quotation I provided. Granted, I don't think a quotation constitutes in itself an argument of any substance, but if you want me to reply to the quotation why is it that you don't? Why is it that you don't see your own hypocrisy? I've spent much of my life reading critics of Israel like Benny Morris, Tony Judt, Amos Oz, Edward Said, and many others; I have nothing to fear from criticism of Israel; I make it myself. Your source happens to be biased. You don't make an intelligent argument in support of any point.

I dealt with the messenger because all you have provided is a quote from the messenger, which hardly constitutes an argument.

We Support a One State Solution and that State is Ireland! From the Atlantic to the Channel! Drive the Teutons in to the Sea!

It is not surprising that you won't deal with the message but the messenger. A tried and effective technique to change the subject. But even then, citing Friedman who has been completely discredited after the Iraq War is very rich of you. So let me repeat the argument, if you can deal with it: "Such claims take many creative forms: for example, some Jews have a morally repulsive pastime of looking for worst cases of oppression – Russian atrocities in Chechnya (whose veterans, by the way, join the Israeli army), Chinese in Tibet – which supposedly "prove" that the media focus on Israel is anti-semitically motivated. As if it were not outrageous enough to be on the shortlist of evil-doers, as if only the gold medal in this satanic competition, but not bronze or silver, is worthy of protest."

Don't you see how the Palestinians themselves are manipulated by the arabs? Forget the Western media, throngs of leftist protesters- look at the Palestinians and you will see the true tragedy, that their plight is being used by the Arab world to advance a racist, anti-Semitic, anti-American agenda. Why is Israel asked to give up land hard-won, told to stop protecting its ctiizens in the interest of human rights that appear to matter only when they are violated to Palestinian soil (has anyone ever considered that, in denying a few hundred Palestinians the right to a fair trial, Israel prevented another war crime- the killing of innocent civilians, women, children- from occurring?), and all without similar demands being made of Arab states. Why should Israel be called anti-democratic for not giving aid money to the PA when countries like Jordan, Lebanon, and Egypt are doing far less for the Palestinian people, refusing to grant them so much as legal, permenant status?

TO BE ANTISEMITS. THATS WHY WE WILL ALWAYS DENY IT AND SUPPORT ANY CAUSE TO DESTROY THE JEWISH STATE.

by continuing to promote that BS about the ISRAELI calling for the ucu boycot. Check him out. I'll give you a clue: "In the beginning, or firstly should I say, have you, or any one else, actually met Haim Beresheeth in the flesh, live so to speak? LOL!!!

Thomas Friedman wrote: "Criticizing Israel is not anti-Semitic, and saying so is vile. But singling out Israel for opprobrium and international sanction -- out of all proportion to any other party in the Middle East -- is anti-Semitic, and not saying so is dishonest." The authority whom you cite in your post is anything but an objective source; Friedman's objectivity has won him three Pulitzers.

Here is Ran HaCohen, from "Abusing anti-Semitism": "Much more disturbing is the intensive resorting to "anti-semitism" claims by Jewish individuals and institutions who do try to maintain a look of integrity. Such claims take many creative forms: for example, some Jews have a morally repulsive pastime of looking for worst cases of oppression – Russian atrocities in Chechnya (whose veterans, by the way, join the Israeli army), Chinese in Tibet – which supposedly "prove" that the media focus on Israel is anti-semitically motivated. As if it were not outrageous enough to be on the shortlist of evil-doers, as if only the gold medal in this satanic competition, but not bronze or silver, is worthy of protest."

his articl should be answere by olomert or peres stop o strong anser to hi, reaally dangereous in todays situation

I fully agree with your sentiments (except you didn't put Israel/Palestine on your list) So may I suggest that you talk to the Israeli Haim Bresheeth who is organising the UCU boycott of Israel in the UK. I would much appreciate it if you could persuade the Israeli Haim Bresheeth to detist from organising these boycotts.

The protestors obviously don't know how this "Occupation" came about, or they are covering up their Anti-Semitism in the name of Justice.

I don't understand why these idiots(and I mean idiots in the Classical sense)don't pressure the Arabs to make a reasonable peace deal with Israel. The Arabs are responsible for the Occupation. Nasser and his buddies were threatening to destroy Israel in 67'. Israel was defending herself and now they're stuck with this land because they cant get a reasonable deal from unreasonable people. The Religious Right in Israel also have some culpability, but it is minor compared to stubborn and racist Arabs(not all of course).

Go for it, it is interesting to read that you believe Tosefta's views to be void of spin and propaganda. I happen to think to opposite. It reminds me of the time when Tosefta commenting on the unity gov't plans while in Saudi Arabia. Tosefta stated that all the Pals had to do was put forth the veneer of a united gov't to recieve the approval of the Europeans. I am not into veneers, they are shallow and nothing but spin. As for Tosefta being from Tiveria, certainly not. Nor do I believe he is an Israeli, as for him being Jewish I also have my doubts, but I am sure he is not writing from Israel. All one has to do is check out the times that he writes. He posts in the evening when it is daytime in North America, when Israelis are asleep. he also is brutally ignorant of the pulse of the Israeli street. I am not aware of many Israelis, other than those playing in deep left field who do not feel threatened by Hamas. Unlike Israelis Tossi is not physically threatened.

"You really have no understanding of legal matters. There is no international law which says that Israel has to apply any law but the laws of Israel to its own citizens in the WB." - Bird Ignorants from Mars who are not even smart enough for an Earthly legal profession should stay away from such matters. When an Israeli commits a crime in another country, the law of that country holds. (Again, your problem with understanding the division of Earth into states). When in an Occupied country, the same story holds. BUT, since the occupier can change some laws, Israel has created a two-tier law. "Even a fool, when he keeps silent, is considered wise; When he closes his lips, he is considered prudent." - Proverbs 17:28

"If Jordan is not administering the West Bank, their laws do not apply. It is an absurd statement." - Lynn Too bad that the Geneva Convention requires that the previous laws remain in force under an Occupation. (Try for example article 64.) In the case of the West Bank it means Jordanian law. If you try hard, perhaps it will make sense to you. But even if it doesn't make sense to you, you probably have examples where you don't understand the law and yet it is valid. Since I know something about the Geneva Convention, and you know next to nothing about it, it is not smart of you to make statements based on what you think should be the case. We are talking about basic prudence in not using your mouth too freely. P.S. If you want to figure out why this rule does make sense, I suggest you ask Cipora for permission to use her barrel of brine to sharpen your mind a bit. She will explain to you how it works.

Canada/Quebec, Malvinas/England, Northern.Ireland/England, Brazil/Amazon.Indians, Peru/Andes.Indians(Shining.Path), Egypt/Muslim.Brotherhood, Lebanon/Palestinian.refugees, Turkey/Kurdistan, Russia/Chechneya, Spain/Basque, etc. There are soo many places where there is contention in the world, why are the Brit academics focusing on Israel? Especially when none of the above are threatend with total annihalation by the surrounding countries! Iran, Syria and Lebanon are still at war with Israel, and have conducted war within the past 12 months agaist Israel. Also, Egypt is in a Cold Peace and allows distribution of the Elders of Zion and other highly antisemetic propoganda. Israel has got a very serious security situation that is caused by Islamic anti-semitism and NOT the occupation. Even the occupation was created by Arab, Islamic anti-semitism with the war in 1967 that was prosecuted by at least 5 Arab countries!

Don, My email address is btderek@yahoo.co.uk. Looking forward to hearing your response. Majnoon

Ilya, I was merely explaining an incident in the context of our WW2 policy of neutrailty. Personally, i dont agree that Ireland should have stayed neutral during WWII considering the mostrous evil that was the fascist Axis. Our policy of neutraility needs to be seen in its historic context though i.e. of an attempt to display distinct differences from Britain fromn whom we had only recently won independence - that doesnt justify it though. However, whatever one's view on that policy, surely it doesnt preclude one from adopting a critical stance on Israel particualrly in its treatement of the Palestinains. I also believe that Arab governments get an easy ride in the Western media and aren't cricised for many of their oppressive policies as often as they should be.

Not devious. Please. Rude obnoxious and arrogant (with little reason to be), and yes devious.

I live in rural Norfolk in East England and most people hace never met a jew in their life before and certainly couldn't give two hoots about Israel, Palestine or any of the ME. The main thing that concerns most of England outside the liberal suburban enclaves of London and major cities, is "EASTERN EUROPEANS TAKING OUR WORK"

Your postions vis a vis Hamas and israel and the US are akin to my supporting the British national front in the hopes that it would silence anti israel haters like you, then turn around and call myself a progressive.get the contradiction? My comments about your beliefs stand, maybea bit simplistic but the core is genuine, you view the islamic obscurantists as your weapon against israel which is in turn a your weapon against the USin the ME which is turn your weapon against US involvement in the world in general. HAMAS QUOTES THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION IN THEIR CHARTER AS A FACT. As a Jew that tells me ALL I need to know.If you werent such a hypocrite it would ringa few bells and whistles over in wales to.But what would you know or care, you dont have to wear our skins do you.

That explains rather a lot. Your ancestors were christians more recently then they worshipped "river deities". I wonder how much you know about the old religion of england that was eradicated by the church through lies and cruelty. Suddenly your good old horned god becomes the devil etc.

You are indeed correct, that post was tailored to the recipient who has tendency to blow alot of wind really hard, so I blew a bit back his way.I am a long time student of american history, I have familly in the states, have many american friends and go there often, I am very aware of the complexity of your country.I agree with comments.Regards

So can you tell that to the Israeli who is organising the academic boycott in the UK?

"and we can accuse the british of occupying a land that is called nothern ireland on the basis of apartheid because it`s a religious occupation !!" This really is nonsense. A referendum and several elections have allowed the people of Northern Ireland to express their wishes on this matter. The majority want to remain part of the UK. There is now a power-sharing devolved government.

Dear Peter ; Being sick of terrorism doesn't entitle nobody

I wouldn't pass your message on to the pygmies; they might do to me what was done to Gulliver. But thanks anyhow. Tosefta

Christianity originally spread as a Hellenistic, universal Platonized "Jewish" religion. Rabbinic Judaism is its foil, it never Platonized, and remained particularist "Jewish". For there to be "Platonization" there needs to be metaphysics. In the Middle Ages, even Rabbinic Judaism accepted some Platonization, as in Kabbalah. But now we are at the end of metaphysics and science and technology has created an anti-metaphysical modern culture. So now instead of Christianity the Goyim have non-metaphysical, but UNIVERSAL Judaeo/Christianity. But the Jews have remained particularist, which negates their attempts at Judaeo/Christianity, as the Jews maintain that Judaism be kept particularist. This is unacceptable to the Europeans, as it keeps them stuck in an outdated Chritianity with its virgin births and other Platonic myths. To them Jews MUST also become universal Judaeo/Christains. Jewish particularism thus drives the EuroTrash crazy and they seek to weaken and destroy Israel.

The key to a peaceful coexistence is first of all that BOTH sides want to have peace. However, Hamas doesn't seem to want to have this. Hamas is only looking after its own interest. And that's for sure not peace, as you can see in view of how badly Hamas treats even its own people!

united kingdom isn't in a position to give us lessons ! let me remind you how many land you colonised and until today you support regime that have stolen land from their original owners AUstralia (Aborigan people ) ! and we can accuse the british of occupying a land that is called nothern ireland on the basis of apartheid because it's a religious occupation !!

llya have you thought that a boycott could be used in the right way that it could bring an end to this madness. Have you thought about a one state solution for Palestine. Then and only then can you truly call yourselves the Chosen People of Israel.

Ronnie, it so happens that I am able to think more objectively than most people, without getting emotions involved. This is true for Jewish subjects as well as non-Jewish ones. Scientists adopt such a habit, but my observation is that I do it even more successfully than most of them. Explain it as you wish, lack of emotions, self discipline, overdeveloped intellectualism, or whatever. I consider it a gift. (Note: David Ben-Gurion was known for this ability too.) Being a scientist, I approach problem with the mindset of looking for solutions for them. No blame game, but solutions. When I deal with the Arab problem, I take the Arabs as given. They have a way of doing things, and if they are to act differently my solution is to apply the kind of pressure that will produce the change, not to attain it by preaching to them. I simply don't know them well enough to see if preaching will work. It seems doubtful. It follows, that the call for action falls on the Jewish side (our side), because the Jews showed themselves to be capable of acting in a rational and disciplined way. (I mean, some decades ago.) As far as the settlers, fear of kangaroo court should be tested, but it is not even an Arab court that is needed; it is the law itself and its prescribed punishment. For beating somebody, Jordanian law may prescribe $1000 fine, say, and an Israeli law prescribes $2000, say. But when the case is brought before an Israeli court (and it usually is not) if you beat an Arab you get a slap on the wrist. In addition, for some violations the Arabs are brought before military court, with no right to appeal and prolonged period of detention before charges are brought. Israelis who have committed the SAME offense may be brought before an Israeli civil court, with all its protections, etc. This is a well known situation. You can call it Apartheid in the legal system.

Well, I am real, not an aka Tosefta and I happen to agree with Mel Remsen. Best eye to see through all the spin and propaganda from all sides comes from Tosefta. Only reasonable and interesting reply on Tosefta from Ronnie Wolman. I too am wondering if you are a jewish Israeli, Tosefta.

SO ALL THE PHILOSOPHY IN THE WORLD PASSES THEM BY!! A SOMETHING YOU AND MANY OTHER " ACADEMICS" FAIL TO UNDERSTAND. THE QURAN AS BELTED OUT BY THE LOCAL IMAM IS THE ORDER OF THE DAY

I absolutely dont believe Tosefta would make up a name to praise himself.He is smart and could be wrong on his analysis of the issues.But he is not devious.

Heritage, you quote somebody who opposed the Boycott. At the time there was a debate about the issue, as I made clear in my previous post. The side that supported the boycott won. I happen to think that an academic boycott is effective, and if only because intellectuals are seen as leaders in society and their action galvanizes the rest to look into the situation and follow with their own boycott. We are now at this stage and you can see that the boycott by the academics is given more prominence than the boycott by journalists or the divestment by the Curch of England. P.S. I don't quite remember the reference to talmudism that you mention. Please try to identify the Forum on which it was posted, and I will be glad to check and see if what was said was disparagement. As I mentioned, I do not disparage JEws for being trained acute of mind after studying Talmud. Other nations should envy us.

"Don", are you an Oxbridge professor or Mafia boss? The Palestinias voted for a Hamas government, which effectively means they voted for war against Israel - and war to the very end, as Hamas' charter puts Israel's destruction high on its list of priorities. That being said, do you think it's normal to allow your self-declared (and suicide-bomb supporting) enemies the same full rights that you'd give your own people? If so, please give me an example of when two peoples at war treat their enemies with full rights?

Is your need to attack Tosefta in such a foolish and incorrect manner.

When i want a history lesson on the Treaty i won't be asking you,their are several version of the Treaty,the one that Maori signed was in Maori which had a word foreign to those who signed it,can you guess what the word was? in Maori please. Oh by the way not all Jews agree with your mutterings you post here .

Firstly, I'm not Dershowitz - I don't even like Dershowitz - he's a celebrity seeking prima dona, and a bully. But I despise Finkelstien even more. He is a phony and a demagogue; and a lousy scholar to boot. He didn't get tenure because he didn't deserve it. I'm sure he will find another forum to continue with his childish antics.

If its of minor importants to you why are you responding to me for?

I will be the first to agree that Israel's behavior in the West Bank and Gaza has not always been defensible. But the interesting thing is, many Israelis feel the same way and have not hesitated to make their feelings known: in the news, in the streets, in their books and articles, even in the courts. They are able to do this because they have something called democracy, that messy system so aptly described by Winston Churchill as better than the alternatives. Where in any of the countries surrounding Israel or among the many groups opposing Israel - countries and groups that the boycott's proponents will readily defend, no matter how THEY behave - is the same freedom enjoyed? But ideologues of both left and right are like that, turning a blind eye to the behavior of their allies while criticizing the same behavior in their "enemies".

Tell that not only to those in the sporting arena,industry and in government but also the ANC and Nelson Mandela at what effect the boycott had, ask Danie Cravin manager of the Springboks ,they will tell you a different story than ChanahS. Going by the responses to this article tells you heaps about the treat of a boycott.

This organization is representative of the indoctrination that academia is forstering on college campuses in the entire western world. However, for the sake of focus I will only deal with British academia. British academia is a threat not only to Israel but also to Britain. Under the guise of academic freedom these academics blatantly promote anti-British policies. Furthermore, whether intentionally or as an unintended consequence of such freedom, they also promote separatism with all that entails. A particularly troubling aspect of separatism is loyalty to one's ethnic or religious group before loyalty to the host country. Is it any wonder that some muslim college graduates in Britain would have no qualms about killing their fellow britons in terror attacks. You can't blame it all on radical Imams. These academics are much more dangerous to Briton than we yet understand. At least Israel is able to recognize that they are the enemy. But to Britons they do not appear as an enemy. Instead, they are accepted as surrogate parents for very impressionable British college children.

There is one thing the Socialist Workers Party and their racist friends really hate and that's a Jew who fights back.

I wonder what would have happened with a sweet life if instead of settling with a crown and signing up the treaty you tried to drown all the British in the sea.I agree with you though about putting aside grieving and starting living.Life is to short.I think there should be a negotiated two state solution.Israel should dismantle the settlements and let Palestinians live the way they want Hamas or no Hamas as long as the do not try to harm Israel/Israelis.How many generations already wasted their lives on looking for somebody to shoot instead of crabs and shells?I have a question however since all the land, rivers, lakes etc have been returned where the land white settlers live on came from?As for some more equal then others it is from George Orwell?s Animal Farm.I meant basically that Russia is occupying Chechnya, China is in Tibet, UKandUS are occupying Iraq and Afghanistan.All of them are doing it for the good cause no doubt and only Israel is singled out to be boycotted condemned etc

If you read his weak attempt to justify war crimes by Hamas the other day, you will see that he is an apologist for war criminals. He should put a disclaimer at the end of his article about Sharon (who was a war criminal) that he doesn't object to war crimes in principle, only certain ones.

Whenever someone makes you look like a fool, (Heritage, Cipora) you make up a poster to praise you. Pathetic.

I would like to make clear I do not support the Academic boycott. What I am trying to show on this talkback is the double standards of some of the posters. I am merely sharing information from Ynet. That the main organisers an instigators of a boycott of Israel in the UK are themselves either Israeli or British Jews. They are driving the policy of boycotts forward. Most people in the UK don't care less. Many wouldn't even be able to pick Israel out on a world map. As for people signing petitions against the boycott, I wasn't aware that there was a boycott by UCU only a iscussion on whether a boycott should be imposed or not.

1.The key to a peaceful coexistence is to start negotiations with the government elected by the people that happens to be Hamas,not some arsewipe like Abbas who lacks credibility. 2.Dump Bush and the rest of the quartet who's only looking after their own interests. The British Mandate,the U.N Partition,America, Russia,the E.U have caused nothing short of a catastrophe for the people of Palestine.

14:43 Witnesses: Hundreds of Palestinians looting the Erez crossing into Israel (AP) They are obviusly interest in closing this terminal for good. Hope it happens. Let them never again cry about "closed borders" 14:05 Report: Dahlan prepares emergency plan against Hamas in Gaza (Israel Radio) 13:19 Fatah gunmen raid Hamas-controlled ministries in West Bank (AP) 13:15 Crowd loots Gaza home of Yasser Arafat (AP)

Israeli academics (how many?) supporting the boycott does not make it any more fair, legitimate or reasonable. There are Israeli loonies too. Can you also tell me how many Israeli academics have signed anti-boycott petitions? Or are you not counting these?

YEs, unfortunately most Palestinian fishermen suffer for the actions of a few - those that fished weapons to kill Israelis (or fellow-Palestinians as it turns out)) rather than fish to feed people. Same goes for ambulances, pregnat women and other terorist inventions and cynical use of human shieds and the local population to further their cause. Unfortunate but necesary. Please don't talk about other people's prejudices when you keep one of your eyes permanently closed.

But I do use "selective humanitarian" and "intellectual".

Is it imagining enemies where there really are not any.? I suggest you look up some of the racist filth in the OFFICIAL Arab media and particularly in the Pal media. You may care to look at the public utterances of Islamists in your country and the "internationalists" who make excuses for them. Let me know if it is all just imagination.?

Malvinas back to Argentina! Now!

The seconder for the motion which calls for discussions about the boycott of Israel by UCU, is an Israeli Academic who lives an works in the UK. This Israeli is supported by a number of other Israeli academics working in the UK and also by a large number of Jews. If we prevent these people from calling for a boycott of Israel would you be accusing the UK for being anti-semetic by doing so?

Thanks for confirming. I'd love to meet your cousin in Gatvol. Will look her up when I go to sunny SA one day for a visit.

wounded you may understand why the fence/wall went up. The bombing murder of students from around the world,would in most people,evoke a different response than the poor Palestinian Dean has to travel 45 mins now.

It is always a pleasure to read your posts. They thoughtful, incisive and stay on topic - unlike too many other posters who wander hither and yon to no apparent purpose other than "TO BE HEARD." You are a giant amongst pygmies!

Tosefta,you know most people here wonder where you are coming from.You have leaked out some information but Im sure most wonder about your agenda. The humanitarian thinking I do believe (though it doesnt apply when you are talking to our cherished Talkbackers here) and I think you are Jewish but with this constant focus on Israel as having the onus on it and infact the West too,I wonder where your true agenda lies. Your logic I find ok except that what goes for head scratching within the Jewish and Western community about trust in the arabs (fighting us,fighting each other,breaking agreements etc)seems to not resonate with you (A hudna is a hudna is a hudna) and these laws you talk about. You mentioned about the settlers (Ciporas posts)being tried under Jordanian law when most in the west would think it would be held in a kangaroo court in a totalitarian country so why not protect your citizens with teh Israeli Supreme court? The point is what,where and why about Tosefta?

I was on the march pictured above, and I'd just like to point out that this was not a march about boycotts. It was, more simply, a march against the occupation. I'm also told that the Hebrew version of the site captions the photo as being of an 'anti-Israel' demonstration. This seems to imply, wrongly, that the march might have been calling for the destruction of Israel. It was not. Apparently one photo is also said to show a 'radical left-wing activist', but the position of those on the march was not overwhelmingly 'radical' - simply anti-occupation, which is not a radical position as such. I just thought it worth mentioning these points in case anyone got the wrong idea about the tone and nature of the demonstration and the marchers. On the boycott issue, many people don't seem to realise that the lecturers' union has not voted for a boycott but only for the debate to continue on the merits or otherwise of a boycott. So voting for that motion was not to vote for a boycott.

There were no settlers till ten years after the total rejection of peace by the Arab league. There would be a 2 state solution already if the Arabs had accepted it instead of the genocide option. There is in writing,the agendas,in the Hamas and Fateh charters everything you accuse Israel.When can we expect even the slightest protest from you people. Why no "humanitarian outcry"? What does that tell the world about your stance.?

ANTISEMATISM SCREAMING FROM YOUR POST. WE KNOW THAT ANTISEMATISM CAN CAUSE IRRATIONALITY AND THEN INSANITY, AND ITS ALL THE RESULT OF INTENSE HATE. YOU DONT CARE FOR THE PALESTINIAN THAT WE KNOW FOR SURE, ONLY FOR THE DESTRACTION OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL. WHEN THE WHEEL TURNS DONT EXPECT US TO LEAVE YOU ALIVE.

well done

platitude staring with the Treaty of Waitangi which is different in the the English and Maori translation. The simplest complaints are the just plain lack of respect for Maoris,their traditions and cultures. All the way to the misleading treaty .Your hangup in life may be the Palestinians the Maoris problems are closer to home

I would surely like to visit your country and join you with your spot of fishing. I am in awe of some of your big trees too and one of the things I will do is to come and see Tane Mahuta, the champion Kauri tree (Agathis australis). I have planted a few in my arboretum or tree garden. What strange trees you have on your islands! Would it be something if one day Gaza's fishermen can go out to sea and fish without an Israeli gunboat spoiling the fun. The case of your country shows that conflicts over land can be settled in a way that benefits all. I hope that Palestinians (and Israelis for that matter) will one day be able to have that same feeling of yours, that life is sweet when your problems have been settled. Regards, Ben.

Your ability to think and reason appears to abandon you when it comes to assessing a movement like Hamas. You and many others like you obviously know very little about it. Before making any more crass comments I would suggest you read Khaled Hroub's "Hamas: political thought and practice" (Institute for Palestine Studies). This well received study should give you a lot more insight. A lot of books have been published about Hamas lately, but this is by far the best. Regarding my anti-Americanism: I yearn for the days of presidents like Theodore Roosevelt or Wilson. Jimmy Carter was a decent president, but became the victim of circumstances beyond his control. Looking at the incompetent GWB, who prior to the invasion of Iraq did not even know that there were Sunnis and Shia (!!) , or his crazy neocon warmongers, who after the disaster of Iraq, are planning another assault on world peace by pushing this insane plan to bomb Iran, fills me with despair and disgust.

Channah S say's it all at #350. You are talking out the wrong orifice pelly if you think the wishy washy boycots had anything to do with it. We who lived through that hated period in our history know full well what brought about the change. If ever you have the opportunity to visit Sunny S. Africa you have an open invitation for a guided edjewkashional tour. You have my name & address above. Dooskop is only a small dorp (village) in the North & everyone knows me. My cousin, Jaanine YoHunt, who lives in Gatvol in the South, says she too will gladly oblige.

Israel right now? How many deal with Israelis on a regular basis? How many accademics are going to be dictated to by the selevtively outraged left? What are they boycotters going to do with the non boycotters?The ones who have signed against the boycott? Bring in a comrade peace loving suicide bomber?

By the way, you made the disparaging remarks about Jews being Talmudic in your post advising the Palestinians that the Jews, being Talmudic and trained in hair-splitting, will try to create specious distinctions between their own situation as an oppressed group and the Palestinians' situation. I'm sorry, but this was a recent post of yours and it is difficult for me to believe that you just happened not to remember it.

Oh you do amuse us *linTWAT" Whoever fed you the crap about the *ISRAELI cosponsor Haim Beresheeth* has a GREAT sense of humour. It's clear you & the other ignorant haters have no idea what his "adopted" name means. Well done whoever FIRST published that false "INFO". And many, many thanks to you linTwat for disseminating it further. On behalf of ALL ISRAELIS & Zionists I thank you most sincerely

Chris stop making an issue about the boycott beign supported by some Israelis. Some Israelis protest the fence every Friday and some Israelis (Tali Fahima, Amira Hess, etc) are simply pro-Palestinians, as are some JEws around the world. If we recognize this why can't you? And no, they will not be taken out into street anD executed. But the fact that this makes the boycott more "justified" or defendable is nonsense.

Who are and have been on a murderous rampage in the Phillipines? Maybe it's because when she sees conflict ANYWHERE in the world chances are high that Moslems are involved.

I didn't get your posting, but I can say this. My grandparents and 8 of my parents siblings and their children were murdered by the GErmans. In our family we were careful not to buy anything made in Germany, and may Jews did, and perhaps still do this. I think it is easy to understand the emotinal reasons behind it. Many however did not feel the need to behave in this way. There is however a very hue difference between a person's personal preference and an organized boycott by an irrelevant group with a political agenda that makes it boycott an entire community because of their nationality, while focussing against this group only, despite far graver situations or causes they could espouse, if their concerns were genuine and not bigotted.

Read the article in the Jewish Chronicle. I would put the link up but Haaretz wouldn't publish it. It is not just this one individual it is a number of Israelis and Jews who are driving the whole idea of boycotts against Israel in the UK. Obviously we cannot stop them doing this as we woul be called anti semetic.

Dear Mr.Harris , for your & other posters information , the right name of Ottoman Empire land registry is : Osmanli DevletI [TAPU]evkaf nezareti = Ottoman state land registry & vakf department , I've seen a part of Palestine Tapu'su in Istanbul , it's rather accurate , you may consult in case of land propery problems , best regards

come on,it was a barabaric,murderous rampage.You support throwing people out of skyscrapers,summary execution,dragging a corpse through the streets?? You seem to represent true selective humanitarianism and selective facts.

I would assume they would also do their best to convince Palestinians not to use their universities as terrorist hotbeds and breding grounds. But no, that is apparently not one of their concerns. They'd rather pick on liberal Israeli universities (with their large Arab student bodies) to bully.

Hyslop concludes, though, by making it clear that academic boycotts interfere with the very basis of scholarship and the free exchange of ideas. "If we do believe that scholarship is more than a job, that ideas do make a difference in human affairs, that the clash of ideas is essential to change, then it is difficult for me to understand how stemming the flow of ideas assists us toward a better world." No doubt these words will ring hollow to those who are all too willing to sacrifice the values of academic freedom and democracy to a politically correct and conformist mode of thought and turn to an academic boycott of Israel from the impoverishment of their own intellectual and moral worlds.

You have the eloquence of an uneducated 16 year old. Having said that - it's a laugh at this point in time hearing you talk about Israel's policy of murder after what we have all just witnessed in Gaza. Wish you luck.

Suit yourself. I maintain that unless the gathering forces of evil are contained - we're all going to lose big time.

He laughed at me even harder, after having read in Revelation that the armies of the earth would come and set their camp in the valley of Armageddon...against Israel...he couldn't hold his noodles. But, now perhaps, it may be even easier to believe..Yes, although Israel is so little, everyone is becoming concerned with it. "It's the solution to the Arab problem"...some say, "to the world's problems.." others yelp... Maybe now, my chinese friend will reconsider...

As someone who was brought up in South Africa and knows that country intimately - it was not the boycotts that dossilved Apartheid - but the emergence of a young intellectual generation of Afrikaners (schildren of the fathers of Apartheid) who undersstood that the evil system had to go. They are the ones who established contact with the ANC and Mandela to bring about a peaceful changeover.Again it is the self-righteous bunch patting themselves on the back, taking credit for something they played a monir part in. The boycott on SA is far overrated, but to your disappointment, I'm sure.

Unlike you, I can understand that not all Israelis think alike, and we have our share of loonies. Do all Brits or American or Europeans agree with their governments? I'm grateful I don't live in a country where people are dragged out into the street aand shot in front of their families for not agreeing with their countries. Obviously when one talks of general opinions, one refers to the mainstream. On the other hand it's rather funny when Israel bashsers (Alan # 291) and other self-righteous twits speak in the name of "world opinion".

It wasn't so long ago that a man from China laughed at me, and at what he thought was a God whose influence was at best local to a such a small country...Israel. "Who cares about such a small place, he said,'' let alone for some God from such a small place, he laughed. He

STOLEN LAND SYNDROME AN INCURABLE DISEASE EVIDENTLY?? BY MAP REFERENCE AND TREATY SHOW WHICH LAND IS STOLEN ! WHER IT WAS REGISTERED TO ANY ARAB IN TABOR PRIOR TO 1918 SHOWING REF AND NO. WHERE IT WAS REGISTERED DURING THE MANDATE [OWNER AND NO.] BETWEEN 1918 AND 1948. PRESENT REGISTERED OWNERS AND MONIES PAID FOR THE LAND TABOR IS THE TURKISH NAME FOR LAND REGISTRY !!

The number of 'soldiers' in Israel's war of Independence included everybody, men women children and new immigrants fresh from the death camps of Europe without a word of Hebrew or any weapons other than broomsticks. That's why it was numerically larger than the attacking Arab armies.

YOU DESPERATELY NEED THE OPERATION KE !!! HAMAS MADE ATACTICAL ERROR OF MASSIVE PROPORTIONS IN WHICH THEY HAVE BLOWN THEMSELVES OUT OF CONSIDERATION! ISRAEL HAS THEM BY THE B---LS AND THEY ARE NOW TOTALLY ILLEGAL! YOUR PEACE TRAIN NEEDS REBUILDING FROM SCRATCH !1

would want to live with you?

Of course you do realise that the academic boycott of Israel which is proposed by UCU is co sponsored by an Israeli academic working and living in the UK. Simply put an Israeli by the name of Haim Bresheeth is calling for the boycott. Why aren't you mentioning that fact? Is it because it deosn't fit with your propoganda values.

Well I rather think that it proves that an Israeli is partially responsible for an attempt to boycott Israel. And that Israelis on this talkback are conveniently either not telling the truth, ie lying. Or that Israelis are not aware that the academic boycott in the Uk against Israel is being sponsored by Israeli academics who work in the United Kingdom. Of course this does complicate the issue because how can it be anti semetic, if a Jew is calling for the boycott? So in my case I believe that the boycott is an Israeli issue,caused by Israelis in an attempt to estabilise calls in Europe for a two state solution.

Mitch, you wrote: "Why do you see a need to interview Sue Blackwell? She is an enemy of Israel and always will be. Why do you give her a forum?" I think it is very important to show every decent and cultured people the real evility and stupidity of this scum. Interviewing her will show for everyone ready to listen, that she is a narcistic, self-righteous, third-rate lecturer with no professional achievements at all. She is ready to fight against Israel to the last drop of Palestinian blood from his study in Birmingham or wherever. I propose to visit her web site; it is amazing. She is speaking about herself in third person as a retarded six year old child. (http://www.sue.be/)

Oswald Mosley was held in prison during the war, and never held political office Lord Haw Haw was executed after the end of the war Neiother couldbe use as an excuse to hold the United Kingdom irectly responsible for the Holocaust last century.

You talk about produce coming from occupied land. I personaly know of 100 acres of land in the PA close to Neve Samwil, prime arrable land. This land is farmed and used by the local Pal inhabitants. It is legaly owned by Israelis who purchased it legaly way before 1947. The family is unable to visit or cultivate their own land, or live in their family home. There are many more pockets of land like this, yet I never hear you bleeting on about the Jews right to return to these in safety, or boycoting palestinian produce in case it comes from occupied land. Your whole argument is unbalanced and is the reason that the British are being seen as insignificant in this world.

Maria , what the none sense you're talking about you mean that anybody in touch with muslim is ungodly , so what about the Spaniard,Sicilians, Greeks,Austrians..etc who where under muslim occupation ,are infected . Stop that crap you are not in line with Jesus christ Teaching. I wonder which god was venerated in Philippin at that time , you are not at the same level of Clickfool,you will never understand his credo & point of view , so STOP bothering the posters , for GOD sake

The academic boycott of South Africa, backed by the U.N. in 1980, was, in reality, according to Jonathan Hyslop, an anti-apartheid professor in SA at the time (writing much later in the journal Academe in Sept.-Oct. 2006)"riddled with conflicts among its supporters, inconsistencies...and irresolvable dilemmas." The initial phase of exclusion of SA from all forms of academic exchange (total boycott) kept academics from outside the country from the "explosion of critical scholarship" within SA that emerged at the time, and penalized academics within SA that opposed the apartheid regime. The "selective" (targeted) boycott that for all practical purposes followed was unworkable in that it proved impossible to develop a satisfactory criterion of whom should be exempted. Was denouncing apartheid enough? Anyone could do that. And so on. Hyslop concludes the academic boycott "had no important political effect in undermining apartheid." It didn't establish the legitimacy of such boycotts.

"you can blame your ancestors[who worshipped zeus] for not teaching about the God of Israel." I think my Irish ancestors probably worshipped forest and river deities, Maria. I'm not quite sure what you mean by the "God of Israel".

Beware of your American generalizations. "Like they used to say in your part of the world just stay white and breath" you quote (I guess you mean breathe). We basically fought a big civil war and a small civil war 100 years apart in order to settle the question of racial diversity. Today we are working out the question of illegal immigration. Notwithstanding a small minority of dunces, and notwithstanding our presidential dunce, we are dead serious about making our great experimental republic continue to work. I believe these particular Brit academics are so caught up in their romantic underdogmanship that they have no serious perspective. Many of them I do not believe are anti-Semitic, I think they are simply silly, and their place in history will be right next to those pathetic post WW II American and British communists who never could quite get it right about Stalin.

Before I went out, earlier in the day, I sent you a cite for that worldwide boycott by Jews against Germans. For whatever reason, the post did not appear, very odd since it was a benign post with just the cite. I guess Haaretz doesn't want you to read about. How silly. Google worldwide Jewish boycott against Germany and there are many references you can access. Regards.

just yet cause the fat lady has not yet sung. It appears that the gov't the US and Israel wants is not the one the Pals elected and want. Despite all the double dealing, it seems to me they are sorting it out over there and the US/Israeli little plan to arm Abbas failed; another Wiley Coyote story. Hold off on the celebration for a tad, the worst is yet to come I do believe. Hamas is a tough group, so it appears. We will have to wait it out, but the chaos does not bode well for zionists. Regards.

Yes, life can be indeed nice - when your existence is not threatened by your neighbours each and every day, when there are no rockets coming down on your children who want to go to school, when you can sit in a restaurant on the beach without having to fear that a suicide bomber blows you up....

"Stop the bloodshed and cease the theft of Palestinian land." Well, Guy from NYC and Silvienne, in view of your old mantras you seem to live behind the moon. To update you: Israel withdrew from Gaza. And the bloodshed is among the Palestinians themselves! So it's time that you invent a new mantra, perhaps this time directed at the Palestinians. Something like: Stop the bloodshed among yourselves and start building up the land which you got!

You are lying to yourself when you claim that your stance is moral. It's NOT moral, it's completely immoral. Just read what Itzik wrote about it at No. 108 and answer to the question why you don't boycott Iran. Please answer also to the question why you don't boycott your own country. See what it's doing in Iraq!

Those who have actually enguaged the reasoning for their position and responded rationaly to counterpoints are invaluable to the debate but are sadly too few. PS- In the US you would be ravaged in any debate if you throw out the race, gender, minority, anti-semite, etc. card without explicit and concrete examples of how your opponents argument cannot be explained by anything else. It rarely works anymore because most have dispensed with the 80's-shiek anti-racist methodologies that find racism in any action or argument if in any way it negatively affects a minority group. It failed because everything under the sun is labeled racist under that mindset and the whole of political debate becomes a farce... and that seems like this is how the Israeli-Palestinian political debate is conducted.

"...it was a disgrace that they were allowed to walk the streets of London without being arrested"....(referencing the British Rally). Anyone can walk the streets of London, Nicole, and freely, as long as he or she is not committing a crime while doing so. England is a free country. The protesters were holding their rally, and you, as you said, were part of a pro-israel rally. What's good enough for one group is good enough for the other.

I would like to thank the very few on here, including Don Camillo, who have attempted a discussion about the political issues involved without resorting to bigotry. There are many here that reframe any criticism of a country's (ie. national government) policies as evil and inherently rooted in an attack against their very identity. These people then turn around and make claims that all Brits, Irish, Muslims, Arabs, etc. are degenerate, evil, disgusting, and (ironiically enough) bigoted. Those criticising Israeli policies may have a different perspective from those living in Israel or may be using a different set of facts that could be more or less acurate, but what I'm seeing is individuals making broad statements of covert bigotry against those they exhibit a very overt bigotry towards. This is a double standard that is completely of meaning.

I blame you Evangalist Christians too as you are the enablers of Israel to do such things. Under the guise of Christianity you support 100% the taking of biblical Israel in its entirety even though it entails murdering and stealing from the people who have resided here for centuries. 2 Of God's Commandments broken right there. You fools want to help the Jewish people just so they can perish in your imaginary End Times war, meanwhile the jewish people think you are all nuts and take your money gladly since it helps their cause. Half the time you just sit there and blab and quote your ridiculous Christian Zionist crap and you only know what you've been told by your equally naive Preacher/Snake oil salesman. The same way these settlers abuse Palistinian muslims , they also do to the Christians as well. Spitting on Priests and nuns, throwing garbage in Churchyards. No true Christian would support such things.

BY MAP REFERENCE ON THE TERRITORY OF THE 1922 MANDATE SHOW WHICH IS STOLEN?? THE REGISTRATION OF ARAB OWNERS IN 1917 TURKISH TABOR THE REGISTRATION DURING THE BRITISH MANDATE ?? GIVE NUMBERS AND THE NAMES OF THE ARAB OWNERS ??

HOW ABOUT THIS PREDICTION M THERE WILL BE NO BOYCOTT !!

"THE "TITANIC" IS SINKING INTO THE ABYSS" The Titanic set forth on it's maiden voyage from Britain full of pomp and hubris with a moniker of "the worlds first unsinkable ship". It never made it to it's destination. This too will be the fate of the boycott from Britain. Thanx for the laugh though. It's been a rough week watching the Palestinians push themselves further into the abyss. Anyone with a heart must be concerned about the general population in Gaza now that Hamas has let loose with tossing folks off of buildings and shooting people's heads off (literally) and the like.

You really have no understanding of legal matters. There is no international law which says that Israel has to apply any law but the laws of Israel to its own citizens in the WB. Indeed, many domestic laws apply extra territorially under all circumstances, such as the right to vote, social security laws, etc....

"Everyone is born with equal opportunity"Lynn. Tell that to someone born into poverty and someone born with a silver spoon in his mouth,i said his because in some society's males are favoured more than females.

After the abolishing of the Pal Gov., all the deaths in Gaza, Hamas lining people up and shooting them, the disintegration of a society, you should be embarrassed.

Well said Lynn! Regards

If Jordan is not administering the West Bank, their laws do not apply. It is an absurd statement. Grasping at straws is not something one would expect of the great Tveria logician.

You're right, just and equal opportunity is not afforded to everyone. I guess I am one of the lucky ones who have had the opportunity to become equal. And live in a country where people who have gone before me have made it possible for me to do so.

Well, Guy From NYC, I couldn't agree with your post more if I tried. You have said it better than I could have done.

"The West Bank has not been annexed by Israel. Therefore, Israeli law is not applicable to those who do not have Israeli citizenship.. [Israel] has no obligation to extend to Palestinians the laws of the State of Israel." - Dird from Outerspace Martians engage in incessant wars and must remain one-sided thinkers; it is a matter of survival. But Earthlings enjoy long periods of peace and DID develop this capacity. When a military occupies a territory, the law that holds in it is to be the previous law; in the West Bank it is Jordanian law. This law is to apply to EVERYBODY, including foreigners who come in, such as settlers, tourists, etc. The military has the power to modify the previous law for security reasons or other reasons that will help the administration. Guess what happened? Israel decided that settlers will be subject to Israeli law, and will not be tried by a Palestinian court (under Jordanian law) even if the offense is committed in a Palestinian town. Do you see now how simple it is to create an Apartheid situation?

"clickfool you turn against god since you mingle with Muslims in England...blame your ancestors who worshipped zeus for not teaching you about the god of Israel" Maria, surely you jest. Are you honestly stating that mingling with Muslims is "against god"? You cannot be serious. If you are, how many more of us are guilty of the same offence, myself included? Whoever my ancestors worshipped, perhaps they weren't concerned with the god of Israel?

then maybe they would work to try and stop the Palestinians from killing each other. One wonders how many more excuses they can make for Palestinian bloodthirst, especially when the casualties for Palestinian murders are not Jews, whose lives are obviously cheap and expendable by their standards, but their own precious Palestinians.

Before WWII, you had Oswald Mosley and during the same, Lord Haw Haw in Berlin. How do you qualify those poor specimen ?

No Lynn not everybody is born with an equal opportunity,I am suprised you would even think that.

Everyone is born with an equal opportunity. Not everyone ends up equal. Just the way of the world. Life is what you make it and work toward.

Every once and a while some academic tries to make himself interesting with the nonsense you have mentioned.Yiddish is clearly a germanic language not slavic and not semitic. it is simply the jewish dialect of german.I find your knowledge of history impressive, I actually learn things from your posts which is a pleasure for me.Regards and keep up the good posting.

'Everyboby is equal but there are some more equal than others"llya. Enlighten me please llya.

Well, all of you got your wish. Pals have disintegrated and are killing each other. Happy now with your stupid peace train?

First, thanks for supplying requested info about Israeli kids writing on shells at a previous posting. As for your Prof. Bresheet - it only proves that SOME Israeli is going against his country. There are others: Noam Chomsky; Mordechai Vanunu; Tal Fahima. There were also some Britons that supported the Nazis during WWII.

I agree with you totally. The occupation is a terrible thing. However, the totally unbalanced boycott is not productive. It is more unbalanced than many of the Palistineans are. Do you have any ideas for good ways to end the occupation. I was thinking of an Israeli withdrawl, international troops separating the two sides, and lots of money for the palistineans to rebuild their society. There is so much international concern about this problem that I think the world would spend a lot to solve this problem. Unfortunately, with the fighting between Hamas and Fatah, that creates a new problem. What are the groups thoughts about my ideas?

Well Israel is a tiny country surrounded by not exactly very friendly people towards it with no natural resources and only one ally and it is no SA. Can it loose a big time? Yes it can. Does it make it automatically wrong? No it does not. Does it make it worse of a country then US, UK, France? No it does not.

Most of you Israelis and your Pro-Israeli supporters are just totally pissed off that you have no control over Boycotts and no influence as you do with the UN and it pisses you off that you won't be able to push the Palestinians totally out of their country like you would like to. Sorry folks the party is over.You know this has nothing to do with Anti-semetism and everything to do with the Israeli policy of murder and expansion. Stop the bloodshed and cease the theft of Palestinian land.

My mantra says you're going to lose big time.

You're singing the same turn as those who were facing boycotts in South Africa at the time, our own government supported the S.A regime and those who were for the boycott were strongly criticised to no avail.In 1981 the country 'N.Z" was on the verge of a meltdown with the Springbox Tour and a whole range of other activities to do with those against the apartheid regime of South Africa, what makes you think "the boycott of Israel"won't have an effect on you and your precious little state.

"Your hermetic, totalitarian mind, will not allow you to understand that people cannot be discriminated against on the basis of nationality. You are incapable of understanding that ssuch discrimination is a violation of a number of international treaties." - Bird from Outerspace I was hoping that referring you to the UN resolution of 1980 calling for an academic and cultural Boycott of South Africa will clarify the appropriateness of this measure. Better check all your useless complaints against this fact. Take it as a test case. If your complaint doesn't fit the UN resolution, DROP IT. And before you start, get your head dipped in that barrel of brine to sharpen your mind a little. And please, don't forget to use a snorkel, or else...

"I never made any pejorative comments about Jews being hair-splitters and Talmudic." - Tosefta 1. "Your claim that you did not make disparaging remarks about Jews is absolutely false.. stating that Jewish superiority and exclusivity have contributed to antisemitism and the Holocaust" - Tosefta I even said that Jews are paranoids. This too is disparaging, and even true, but it is NOT what I stated that I didn't say. You have to read things sloooowly and carefuly in order to understand their meaning. 2. "Your claim that you did not make disparaging remarks about Jews is absolutely false. You did say, and I remember it precisely that they are hairsplitters and Talmudic." - Cipora I remember what I said about "hairsplitting". I was asked what "pilpul" was (the meaning of the term). I said it was a way of deriving results from the sources by hairsplitting, usually without basis in reality. This way of learning was practiced for a few hundred years before enlightenment. It is not disparaging to Jews but to the pilpul method. Not done anymore, but I simply answered a question (by Kathy). I don`t believe I ever disparaged Jews for being "talmudic". At most, you didn`t comprehend what I said (quite typical). 3. "You have also claimed that Jewish law teaches that the murder of gentiles need not be punished." No, the punishment is given not to an Earthly court but to the heavenly court (and I don`t mean Martian court). People who believe in Halakha are afraid of the heavenly verdict too.

And what exactly does it prove? In Russia at the time of Stalin children took part in campaigns demanding there fathers and mothers to face firing squads as enemies of the state. Tali Fatima, an Israeli citizen, was hiding IJ militant that she was in love with so what? Does it mean that boycott is just? I?ll believe your unions when they put China, US, Russia on one list with Israel and vote.

#51: I don't think you have looked very far for the 6 million in English history. Why should you, for ignorance is bliss.I'll give you a hint, if you are able to u-n-d-e-r-s-t-a-n-d E-n-g-l-i-s-h.The figure of 6 million Jews murdered by the Germans(and their foreign supporters) during the Holocaust emerged from the Nuremburg trials and is only an estimate.The numerical range of those killed is from 5 to 7 million.S-e-e World War II(2007),In Encyclopedia Britannica.Retrieved 13June2007, from Encyclopedia Britannica Online. http://britannica.com/eb/article-9382944.

The seconder for the UCU vote on a boycott on Israel Is an Israeli Which rains on your parade ever so slightly

Do you think the fact they do not listen makes them right or fair? That is actually the problem. They feel so good about boycotting Israel while killing Iraqis and Afghans. The justice is being served. It reminds me that everybody is equal but there are some more equal then others.

nts ,

What's my mantra? Why is it different from your "mantra"?

Those behing the boycott aren't listening to anyone beside their own small self-righteous selves. And hardly anyone else is listening to them either. There is nobody of particular academic distinction or world renown among them wheras those who have come out against the boycott are academics of world-class caliber. Israel has been through worse things than a petty boycott by self-serving petty minds and survived with full colors.The British minister of higher education visited Israel to protest the boycott. Two academic articles (criminology) I recently translated were just last week accepted for publication by an international professional journal based in England. How much power to these silly people have to enforce their meaningless misguided actions? If they invested their precious time (apparently they have little else to do) to help those who need it instead of of negating academic achievement the world would be a better place, don't you think.

It is very rich of you to constantly talk from your high horse and high moral ground on ethics blah blah blah when we have never seen a single word of condemnation of the settlements or the 40-year occupation which are destroying Israel's moral fabric every day! Congratulations for your hypocrisy but don't be surprised when world public opinion disagrees with you (and other talkbackers here) and you all can't understand the world anymore. Either you will learn to be fair or your only refuge will be the old canards of "anti-Semitism" and mass world irationality. But when one sees irrational enemies everywhere, psychology teaches us that it's not that there is something wrong with the whole world, but with the person who thinks so. It's called paranoia.

Dance to your mantra for Israel ChanahS it's obvious to me that those boycotting Israel aren't listening to you.

Israeli Haim Bresheeth, professor of media and culture at the University of East London, seconded the UCU motion, which called for consideration of the morality of ties with Israeli academia and for discussions on boycotting. It is an Israeli who is calling for the boycott. An Israeli academic working in the UK.

Your hermetic, totalitarian mind, will not allow you to understand that people cannot be discriminated against on the basis of nationality. You are incapable of understanding that ssuch discrimination is a violation of a number of international treaties. You bring up Nazis, as if they were your last refuge, but in fact, even in the very rare cases where Nazis are barred in academia, they are barred so not on the basis of their nationality, but on the basis of their faulty scholarship and by virtue of the violation of specific laws making it illegal to deny the Holocaust--but even this, only in some European countries. History does not look kindly on those who advocate anti-democratic methods of imposing their views and agendas.

"Wexler agrees with the classifcation of yiddish as a slavic language (whereas in Germany it is most often affiliated to the departments of germanic languages), he says that modern Hebrew is a dialect of yiddish and thus he states that it is a slavic language." Why bother to mention someone who makes such a spurious claim? Yiddish is probably the closest language to German in existence; that is a as clear as anything. If a few Slavic words entered Yiddish by adoption, what does that prove? Is German a dialect of French on account of having the word 'cafe'? And you obviously understand nothing about the Jews who came from Ethiopia, whose entire liturgy and scriptures was preserved in Ethiopian Geez, not a word of Hebrew. the fact Ben Yehuda spoke Yiddish is irrelevant. Seeing as he deliberately shunned Ashkenazi Hebrew and based Standard Hebrew directly on Jerusalem Sephardic Hebrew IN USE, I'm sure he was careful enough not to let his Yiddish filter into the language.

Liar!! You spent weeks trying to convince me that the talmud made the Jews into people that justified their persecutions.You are so dishonest and a coward.

The point is YOU support everu intiative to victimise Israelis and Jews at every opportunity.Your record is clear, over the past years that I have been here, EVERY time someone takes an action against Israel or Jews you are their as cheerleader.Even to the point of excusing Hitler, your childhood must have been far worse than you have let on.You are simply bizarre,its not normal.

Obvious you didn't read my response to your comments the other day,or are you trying to milk your bullshit for all its little worth that it is. Again for your benefit,its thanks to the Treaty i'm laughing all the way to the BANK, the Crown recognises and accords our tribal lands,Maori and English are the official language of the country,mountains,rivers,lakes,reserves have been returned,a major stake in one of the biggest fishing companies in australasia along with many other assets. Whats there to whine about?..our tribe have achieved our settlements with the Crown and have put aside the grieving its time for living and getting the best from both worlds. It's such a lovely morning i think i'll head down to the beach and do a spot of fishing and while i'm there i'll full up my sack with paua, crayfish from the rocks handed down to me from my father and his father and while i'm at i might as well check out the mussel rocks too,aahh!! life is sweet when you've sorted out all the problems

I'm no apologist Maoriboy - simply an Israeli citizen whose country has been repeatedly attacked in the most vile manner by Arabs since its inception - long before the occupation - with one goal in mind. Am I expected to acept that goal? Sorry to disappoint me. I am one of those terrible Zionists who believes that the JEws are entitled, no, direly need, an independent state to call its own, where Jews, religious and secular, lefties and righties, gays and straights, can live without being persecuted by those who don't think Jews have a right to exist. If this goes against your grain, then deal with it. Israelis have extended a hand in peace from the outset. Israel is on 0.01% of Mideast land. Refusing to acept us, they tried to destroy us and lost. Live with it. It's time the Palestinians make peace and get their own state. They can't have ours.

That was really dumb.Did it ever occur to you that certain stories carry more importance in certain countries than in others? But then again living in the states the only news you see is about america period, no wonder you have such a fine appreciation for the "perspective" of the BBC.it must be nice being a member of the majority isnt it, and not to have your existance questioned and threatend by every deranged freak with a personal problem.Like they used to say in your part of the world" just stay white and breath"

It really seems to me thats what the boycotters are supporting here. After all look at the violence and anarchy in Israel's neighbors in Gaza and Lebanon to see what they are trying to impose on the Jewish state.

with real estate.He is the Owner of the Universe and the Giver.by His grace,He gave the promised land to the jewish people.[Abraham,Isaac,Jacob,and their descendants-the jews].

"And what's the Palestinian's excuse that keeps being draged out of the Proverbial closet?"ChanahS That you've got your arse parked on their land.

"Loyalty oaths, blacklisting, boycotting of academics, is fundamentally anti-democratic." - Bird from Outerspace You are not accustomed to the idea of Earth consisting of many different states, since the entire planet of Mars is made up of a single state. When you have many state, each one has its own laws and its own system of government. And even if both states are Democracies, the citizens of one state do not have the same rights in the other state as have her own citizens. For example, while the citizen of one state may be able to say what he/she wants, tourists from the other state may be barred on account of their beliefs. Example, they may be barred if they are Nazis. So England, a model democracy, has a full right to discriminate against Israelis on the basis of their personal beliefs. "Boycotting academics on the basis of their nationality is discriminatory." - Bird Indeed it is discriminatory, and for good reason. The UN passed a resolution in 1980 calling for an Academic Boycott against South Africa. It had a good reason (and guess what it was). See my post #230 to Heritage.

British troops in Iraq are no more legitimate than US troops since they part of the original invading force or coalition of willing if you want. You do not want me to believe that British were invited there by Saddam and UN agreed to that, do you? Here in Canada we have access not only to Israeli media so your argument that I do not know about similar boycotts due to lack of interest by Israeli media does not fly. Besides they do not need government to start boycotting US or Chinese or Russian universities since they have not needed it to boycott Israeli. Want to show the world how just you are propose a similar boycott for all above mentioned countries. You could have even put it to vote in the same meeting that dealt with a boycott against Israel unless of course there is a rule prohibiting more then one boycott proposal.

against God since you mingle with muslims in england.you compromise your belief because you're afraid to stand against the muslim world.if you lie with dogs, you'll end up with fleas.and now you became ungodly.you know why you turn like you are now----you can blame your ancestors[who worshipped zeus] for not teaching about the God of Israel.

Hey Alan cant you travel under your own name or cant risk being exposed "again". Give you one guess why Finkelstein was denied Tenure.

You don't seem to care that there is a civil war going on in Gaza (and soon in the West Bank) where 70 people are dying per day. Neither do you seem to care about the hundreds of thousands killed in Darfur. If you cared about human life you would boycott Hamas and Sudan as well. It's obvious that you only care about villifying Jews. May G-d judge you.

just read what andi wrote at #21!

mention the different laws! concerning the antisemitism read what saul a. readner wrote a #60

promised land to him;it was unconditional.the land of canaan was given to abraham,isaac,and jacob as an everlasting possession.read the good book.don't take my word for it.God had an everlasting covenant with king david that He won't destroy the jews for the sake of david.king david was not a perfect king,but God loved him.when david sinned He asked God to forgive Him.a lot of wicked kings never asked God to forgive them.king manasseh was a wicked king,reigned in jerusalem for 55 years,but he repented of his wickedness,God forgave him.But God did not take away the land from the israelites/jews.as matter of fact, in the last days God will regather His chosen people in israel.[have you heard of the valley of dry bones-this prophecy hasn't fulfilled yet].read the book of ezekiel.

Gil, what is your point. Are you trying to suggest that because Israel carry,s out humantarian deeds we should overlook it,s humanitarian trangressions. Doesn,t work that way. Just stop the occupation and all boycott,s will dissappear. BTW. My congratulatios to the Schneider Childrens Hospital.That represents the Jewish people as I know them and want to continue to do so. Regards

don't you know that...most of the popular celebrities in the usa as well as great britain are/were jewish people....the world is just jealous of your people.I believe the most intelligent people in the world are the jewish people.