U.K. lawmaker 'fired over claims IDF harvested organs in Haiti'

Baroness Jenny Tonge. Above the din of cacophony,there lies the simple truth of pathological hatred focused in a certain direction. "The Haversting of Organs;" In 1951 a young black woman named Henruetta Lacks was admitted to Johns Hopkins Hospital & given a diagnosis of cervical cancer.The doctors removed a sample of her tumor & sent it without her permission to a research lab. Lacks died a few months later,but the sample lived on & on.It was the first human tissue to be successfully kept alive as a culture. Her cells have been shot into space. Many drugs owe their inventions to Lacks' cells. But Lacks' children were too poor to afford med.care.They were never consulted or thanked for their mother's involuntary gift to science. (From Time Magazine Feb,22,2010) People should,before spewing their hatred take time & search their own hearts to see what inborn mumps they themselves carry.

I wish people would think more carefully before making such over the top, unfounded comments. How would she feel if someone asked for an investigation into whether she had helped victims of an earthquake for such reasons? Hopefully, Jenny Tonge uses this publicity to open a clear headed discussion on why people make such hateful unfounded allegations. I'm neither Jewish nor Arab but I'm routing for both people to come to a peace agreement in Israel. I spent a year in Israel aned met both Jews and Arabs who are hoping for peace and a mutual meeting of the minds. Extremist comments and views only get in the way of such hopes.

The U.K. Is sliding down a slippery path.When they reach the bottom,they'll find all the Pakiis.students that were rejected entry. (England. Suddenly becoming prudent.Rather late in the day !) Now, what is topmost in the minds of the 'rejects' is how to harm G.B.in the worst possible way. Britain. Wait for developements !

... your father just has to be born before you...

W: "In my life there are only five events that come to mind, when I hear "organ harvesting"." Running through the list we get to..... W: "4) There was a recent news article about some Israeli govt agency removing parts from cadavers for some reason, without permission. [Proven, apparently.]" Bingo..... Look up the "Abu Kabir Forensic Institute". Look up the name "Yehuda Hiss". The Chief Pathologist of Israel, and the only forensic lab in Israel that can perform autopsies. On no less than 125 occasions the Abu Kabir Institute removed body parts and organs during an autopsy without ANY authorization or permission, and then on-sold the parts to other institutions and hospitals. All proven, all documented, by the Israel Attorney General's office, and openly admitted to by Yehuda Hiss as part of his plea bargain. And after all that he's still there, Walter; he's still Chief Pathologist even after admitting he stole organs. That's gotta tell you something.

m: "Welshman: Can You Answer When You Stopped Abusing Your Wife?" The basis of that analogy is that nobody can provide proof that Welshman ever abused his wife. The analogy is false, because someone (the Israel Attorney General's office) HAS found that Israel has harvested organs without permission. That office investigated just such allegations against the Abu Kabir Institute of Forensic Medicine and they found that, yes indeedie, the allegations were true i.e. body parts and organs were being routinely removed without any authorization. So, to your analogy: Q: "Can You Answer When Israel Stopped Abusing cadavers?" A: Israel claimed that this practice stopped in 2005.

These are exactly the kind of questions asked of Israelis and to answer them would only make the idiots asking look credible. Israel sent a first-rate medical team to Haiti and they did a marvelous job there - only complete imbeciles or haters would ignore it.

Pal propoganda part of the job description for British parliamentarians ?

Pal propoganda part of the job description for British parliamentarians ?

Just for purpose of debate, we can now see what happens to those who offend, or disagree with the Israelis. The Israelis are always quick to ascribe the title of "antisemitic" to anyone who mentions the "jewish lobby" Well, just for purpose of debate, what happens when, say, someone disparages the Pals? Let's say, for instance that a lawmaker makes a statement that pal children are future terrorists and suicide bombers. What would be the consequences of this? Do you suppose there would be one single consequence, even a reprimand? Of course not, happens every single day! Now, if there is not an "all powerful jewish lobby" what else could explain this descrepancy, and this inequality of treatment? Keep calling a man a thief, and he will become a thief...

I'm surprised that when Jenny Tonge was fired, the boss said she wasn't an anti-semite. The Israeli's are over there in Haiti, doing there best to help and they have to hear such horrible things. It's interesting that when people criticize Israel, it is the most terrible country in the world to them. Forget human rights abuses and genocide in Sudan and other human rights issues elsewhere. Really she is a logical person who can't have believed that the Israeli help team was over there to harvest organs. She supports a Palestian web-site and obviously has taken a side. That is her choice and there's nothing wrong with that. But when someone makes ridiculous, borderline psychotic accusations without thinking them through, its hurtful and anti-semitic. That said, she might be a very nice person and just use this as a learning experience.

SDHD:"Raising false allegations isn`t debate, racist... It`s inciting hatred." OK SiD heres a link on what Chris Linthwaite was referring to,racist,inciting hatred? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTC4jbZ7hTY

New reports have surfaced on the arrest of yet another Jewish organ trading gang in the United States involved in the abduction of Algerian children. Dr. Mustafa Khayatti, the head of the Algerian National Committee for the Development of Health Research, revealed on Sunday that the New York city police have arrested members of a Jewish gang who abducted Algerian children for their organs. Khayatti said the arrests came after Interpol found that children in western Algeria were abducted and taken to Morocco to have their kidneys harvested. Their organs were later trafficked to the United States and Israel and sold for $20,000 to $100,000 each. The group is said to be connected to Israeli rabbi Levi Rosenbaum, who was recently arrested in New Jersey for the direct involvement in importing human organs. Following Rosenbaum's arrest, US authorities detained some 44 others, including rabbis and mayors in New Jersey, who were prosecuted for money laundering and human organs trade.

SDHD:"Raising false allegations isn`t debate, racist... It`s inciting hatred." OK SiD heres a link on what Chris Linthwaite was referring to,racist,inciting hatred? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTC4jbZ7hTY

JG:"Stick to the subject, moron." shh!!hush now the Jewish Lobby in Britain is just as taboo as AIPAC,keep it quiet now shh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTC4jbZ7hTY

In my life there are only five events that come to mind, when I hear "organ harvesting". 1) There is a story that circulates in Latin America and Asia about a stranger giving a tourist on a train drugged food, and the tourist wakes up in a hospital minus one kidney. [Unproven] 2) China has a tendency to help itself to the extra body parts of its dearly departed ex-prisoners. [Proven, apparently.] 3) There was a scandal recently in New Jersey that involved people selling human organs illegally. The news shots featured a whole bunch of rabbis looking unconcerned as they were arrested. I don't remember where they got their organs.[Proven, apparently.] 4) There was a recent news article about some Israeli govt agency removing parts from cadavers for some reason, without permission. [Proven, apparently.] 5) This case (the article above). The case does not seem credible, and is almost certainly fueled by the growing anti-Semitism caused by the bungled "war on terror". [Unproven, to me.]

"It suggests that the world views Israel as a monstrous state which places little if any value on the lives of non-jews, especially those who are non-white.Recent Israeli actions and pronouncements by officials (e.g. ambassador to Australia) tend to reinforce such a view." That statement reinforces the view that Israel's critics tend to be simpletons.

"the world views Israel as a monstrous state" Interesting observation: the world watches passively as hundreds of thousands get butchered in Darfour, as people are killed for wanting freedom in Iran, as people are blown up to bits in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Spain. But "the world" gets really upset when Israel defends itself and views it as a "monstrous" state. I think this says a lot more about you and the likes of you than Israel.

Why don't they bother you? Are you thus willing to believe ANY accusation against them?

proven by her as not being true. Censor, this is just putting up a mirror to illustrate a point about the Baroness' accusations and her methods thereoff.

I am an honor graduate from the University of Texas Med School, an award winning scientist, and proud IDF officer. I have worked at world-renowned hospitals in Houston and Boston, but have never found brighter, finer, or more dedicated physicians than my colleagues in the Tel Aviv, Rehovot and Jerusalem hospitals where I have also worked. Take your anti-Semitic slander and stuff it. Your views of our nation will roll off our sleeves with the rain.

New reports have surfaced on the arrest of yet another Jewish organ trading gang in the United States involved in the abduction of Algerian children. Dr. Mustafa Khayatti, the head of the Algerian National Committee for the Development of Health Research, revealed on Sunday that the New York city police have arrested members of a Jewish gang who abducted Algerian children for their organs. Khayatti said the arrests came after Interpol found that children in western Algeria were abducted and taken to Morocco to have their kidneys harvested. Their organs were later trafficked to the United States and Israel and sold for $20,000 to $100,000 each. The group is said to be connected to Israeli rabbi Levi Rosenbaum, who was recently arrested in New Jersey for the direct involvement in importing human organs. Following Rosenbaum's arrest, US authorities detained some 44 others, including rabbis and mayors in New Jersey, who were prosecuted for money laundering and human organs trade.

JG:"Stick to the subject, moron." shh!!hush now the Jewish Lobby in Britain is just as taboo as AIPAC,keep it quiet now shh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTC4jbZ7hTY

SDHD:"Raising false allegations isn`t debate, racist... It`s inciting hatred." OK SiD heres a link on what Chris Linthwaite was referring to,racist,inciting hatred? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTC4jbZ7hTY

L: "No one has ever provided any evidence that such a thing as occurred and yet, because some idiot spread a rumor, you demand an investigation." Israel's one and only pathology lab did, indeed, have a proven history of routinely harvest organs without permission. http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/12/21/israel.organs/index.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2009/963/op2.htm

CS: "because it`s preposperous" The allegation that Israeli pathologists might remove organs without the permission of the next-of-kin, and for reasons that are unrelated to the cause of death? No, ChanahS, that is not preposterous at all. Israel does have a rap sheet, ChanahS. Indeed, the Israel Chief Pathologist admitted in 2005 that the Abu Kabir Institute routinely harvested organs from bodies without any permission from next-of-kin, and that those organs were removed for sale to other medical institutions. He ADMITTED that, and that admission came as a result of a plea bargain following an investigation by the Israeli Attorney General. Don't you dare argue that the allegation is preposterous, because just such a thing HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE BY ISRAEL.

was when it was reported to be happening in the US,then the Palestinians,now its the Haitians. Makes one wonder if theirs any truth in these reports.

SDHD: "Raising false allegations isn`t debate, racist... It`s inciting hatred." And the allegations are false because......? Apparently, an accusation is "proven" to be false the moment a zionist like SDHD shouts that it is false. Here is something that (like it or not) is a proven fact, SDHD: Israeli pathologists have harvested organs without the permission of the next of kin. And it is A PROVEN FACT precisely because the chief pathologist of Israel admitted that such harvessting occured on his watch, and his admission came only as a result of an Israeli judicial inquiry i.e. he did not confess because of any feeling of guilt, but because he was caught out by an independent investigation. So sorry, SDHD, but allegations that such procedures are still being carried out is therefore *not* preposterous, nor can they be summarily dismissed as libels. Israel has prior form, and so it can't simply puff out its chest and act all outraged.

"our forensic pathologists harvested organs from dead bodies, including Palestinians, without their families' permission." Nothing to do with anti-semitism, but rather dirty organ trade. Whether they took organs from dead Haitians should of course be investigated, considering the past record of Israel.

'that somebody said that her brother read on a wall in a Paris pissoir that Clearcut has sex with dead goats.' More like reading an accusation that MacDonalds bought tainted beef. Israel is the world's leader in the illicit organ trade. It's a low blow, but they lay themselves open to this sort of accusation.

Haaretz 18 December 2007 "Two Haifa men sentenced to jail for organ trafficking." http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/935092.html The Age (Australia) 24 July 3009 'Organ Trafficking': Rabbis arrested over massive crime ring. http://www.theage.com.au/world/organ-trafficking-rabbis-arrested-over-massive-crime-ring-20090724-dv50.html Counter Punch 28-30 August 2009 "The New "Blood Libel"? Israel organ Harvesting" by Alison Weir. Israel's first heart transplant. Director of forensic medicine on missing organs. Mysterious Scottish death. Israeli government officials raise questions. Israel's chief pathologist removed from post for stealing body parts. Harvesting kidneys from impoverished communities. Tel Aviv hospital chief promotes organ trafficking. Israel prosecutes organ traffickers. Israeli organ trafficking comes to the U.S.? Israel's organ donor problems. Palestinian disappearances increase. Why autopsies? "The New Blood Libel."? http://www.counterpunch.org/weir08282

This wasn't a debate - she made unproven (and never will be) accusations of a particularly nasty type which bear resemblance to blood libel style anti-semitism. In this case the uproar is fully justifed.

G-d forbid that anyone should asociate those who have plundered our lives and culture through their collusive multi-billion-dollar film industry (speaking from an American perspective mostly here) with taking advantage of goyim in other locales.

It sure helps to have Rothschild on your side, looking out for you, keeping you out of trouble and all! Everyone knows why she was fired and you should hang your heads in shame at what you allow your government and military to do. You literally get away with murder! The future may be very different because justice must be served.

to her opinions not matter how regrettable, the same way you have a right to your opinions, and they are truly regrettable.

actually Chanah, I did torture a cat when i was a child, and your post did bring my guilt feeling back. and you are right SDHD, no one likes to be investigated, but claims against the IDF for this matter came from different unbiased sources, I do not think they are true, yet it is a possibility that should be investigated.

Tonge is engaging in insinuation that should be treated with disdain,not glorified with an investigation.It's part of the campaign by the Palestinian Arabs and their camp followers to turn spurious claims of nonsense like Israeli war crimes into established facts in people's minds by misusing the legal system. The old charge of Jews kidnapping gentile children for their blood doesn't work any more.Right-oh,why not up-date it and insinuate that Israelis (ie Jews) are stealing gentiles kidneys and corneas?Some will believe it and a lot more would like to believe it. THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL!!!

One of the interesting points about all this is that the Baroness did train to be a doctor (University College Hospital). As such, she should have been aware of the complicated procedures and time frames for taking organs for transplants. The fact that she said the IDF or the Israeli government should investigate and, taking into account that she had medical training, did not come out squarely against the article and the Youtube video shows what her real agenda is.

The really important thing here is not whether or not harvesting actually took place. Rather, it is the fact that people are prepared to entertain the possibility that the IDF COULD or WOULD have engaged in such an activity, given the opportunity to do so. It suggests that the world views Israel as a monstrous state which places little if any value on the lives of non-jews, especially those who are non-white. Recent Israeli actions and pronouncements by officials (e.g. ambassador to Australia) tend to reinforce such a view.

The really important thing here is not whether or not harvesting actually took place. Rather, it is the fact that people are prepared to entertain the possibility that the IDF COULD or WOULD have engaged in such an activity, given the opportunity to do so. It suggests that the world views Israel as a monstrous state which places little if any value on the lives of non-jews, especially those who are non-white. Recent Israeli actions and pronouncements by officials (e.g. ambassador to Australia) tend to reinforce such a view.

Chanah i fully agree with you however Israel is in a precarious position on such a thorny issue that it chooses to make a meal of situations relating to harvesting rather than defending itself. I think the US Rabbi 'allegedly' harvesting is a real problem being applied to all jews atm.. This is a pain tbh. #Sarah 28 - I am 100% certain that of this kind of story EVER came out about UK troops then the UK government would whip up an independent inquiry at the very least. Either way i thought Israel could have tackled this one better.

Tonge is no lawmaker as this article states.She's just one of the very many unelected Lord and Lady wasters who don't need to answer to the public.To name 2 more,we have Lord Mandelson who fails at everything and has had to resign twice,yet is now helping to ruin the economy even more and Lady Scotland who was recently in Israel and said that the nonsense of Israelis being under threat of arrest in the UK would be stopped;it hasn't.Political hacks kicked upstairs. This is all part of the New Labour project of tearing up British democracy. Israelis who complain about their governance should take a hard look at Britain and see how bad things could be and how lucky they are. THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL!!!

"she asked for an invertigation! what is wrong with that?!" Why should there be one if there's no evidence to support one? What if someone raised a false allegation against you? Would you like being dragged through an investigation?

"The Jewish lobby in britain stifling all debate about Israel" Raising false allegations isn't debate, racist... It's inciting hatred.

Stick to the subject, moron.

that somebody said that her brother read on a wall in a Paris pissoir that Clearcut has sex with dead goats. So, Clearcut, should we not have an investigation to clear your name?

Not in Israel - nobody's ever heard about her till today, even though she's been in Gaza. But in GB she's called "Jenny Jihad".

"Jenny Tonge apologizes unreservedly for the offence she has caused." If she had something factual to say, she should have called for the investigation first and then spouted off You're just like her, another brainless nitwit

............until i finally mix them with my matzaballs.

Why do we have to answer and investigate every nonsense published on isoteric blogs? Would she dare make such an allegation about British troops in Afghanistan ? And what would have been your reaction if she did? I think Israel should sue her .

In a democracy it is upon the accuser to prove that the accused is guilty, and not the opposite. Any accusation without proof is tantamount to libel - which is what this woman is guilty of. Her accusations are based on hatred and not on any cause for suspician.

I propose an investigation against ClearCut for torturing and dismembering cats.

Do you know, what is the time interval requirement after harvesting organ from a cadavra and transplant it to a patient. The success chance of this procurement is a million to one if it passes 2 hours. Where are these patients? In Israel or in Haiti? If they were in Haiti you must a have very very sophisticated hospital equipment for transplantation. Besides you need a very very expert surgeons to first to harvest this organs, then transplant this organs. Where were they? Ignorants if you have any answers to these questions on how IDF would do it I am going to apoligize that I'm ignorant. Aby

all, who believe, that organs, retrieved, from cadavers,& reused on living beings, are truly dead, from the neck-up.. that shows, how truly their twisted, uneducated expertise, should be utterly denounced, by ALL levels of Medical Science....to date, this has not been done ...why the silence...???? are there no DRs' out there, to repudiate such trash..?? ...mind-boggleing..!!!

has harvested organs in the mid of the war. Do you know what is the required time interval between taking an organ from a donor and preserving for transplant? You have to take this organs from a donor after brain death occurs in a FEW minutes and very quickly. If it is not taken this organs in this time interval they are completly useless. The doctors only can give these decision with the help of very sophisticated hospital equipment. Was there any hospital equipment in the field hospital? NO. Then how? Harvesting orgnas is not an easy surgery. There should be very sophisticated hospital equipment for harvesting the organs. Was there any kind of these equipments in the HAITI'S IDF hospital? NO. After harvesting organs, you should have to put to preserving box'es to keep the organs alive. Was there any organ preserving boxes in the field HOSPITAL? No. End of Part 1 Aby

No one has ever provided any evidence that such a thing as occurred and yet, because some idiot spread a rumor, you demand an investigation. What proof would you consider substantial enough to put this rumor to rest? Or would you always be saying, "Well, they may not have done it to this guy but who knows how many others" or "They may have forged the paper work" or "You can't trust those J.. ahem Israelis" Do you know what that says about you? That you are always willing to believe the worst about Jews even if it is completely insane and medically unfeasible?

You ask whether this is the new Britain. It is actually the OLD Britain

While the claim concerning Haiti is incredulous, the Israeli Army itself has admitted to harvesting Palestinian as well as Israeli organs from the dead and insisted that the practice ended in the nineties. Why is Haaretz not mentioning this as part of the last line in the article??

I never see any discourse or debate about Israel in the British press or media. Its like Israel just doesn't exist.

and hopefully noone will ask you to investigate these claims further. This is a pity because as usual you have shot the messenger when you could have proven to your critics that this claim is utter BS. I for one do not believe these claims however it would have been good if someone could have proven this to be a lie. I am surprised noone else here has picked up on this, instead we have the ususal ranters hating the UK....again.

Organ harvesting is normally practiced in first class hospitals worldwide. Most cases involve donors. Field hospitals, do not have the facilities for said practice. Less so, as in the case of bullet ridden terrorists as in the case of certain reports vis a vis the IDF. Many Israelis/ Swiss are registered donors. So am I, here in Switzerland. After all I do have a Swiss kidney. Works fine. Then, it was all done in a Swiss Hospital. Swiss medicine is by far one of the best in the world. A field hospital in disease ridden Haiti..? Harvesting human organs.? Sounds most like the old Nazi propaganda machine being retooled for further attacks on "those Jews"! The UK Lawmaker, could well be sued for libel. Then again, why waste money on some nutty fanatic. Good day.

stifling all debate about Israel

of liberal (sic) democracy. Translation- antisemitic trash in convulsing Europe.

permission from their families?

come on! this is classic blood libel and nonsense, which the masses are inclined to believe: just part if this massive anti-israel, deligitimization program going on. Tonge is an anti-semite, pure and simple.

The IDF should sue this woman in the highest court in the land for slander,this type of behaviour cannot and must not be aloud to continue. The IDF stint in Haiti was hailed as a great success by Ban kee Moon secretary General of the United nations and most of the civilized countries that went to Haiti.

Jenny Tonge has had the whiff of the anti-Semite about her for too long for the Liberal Party to ignore. In one context she made the kind of personal anti-Semitic comment I recall from school which deserved at least a punch - in those days it was not considered smart to bring such matters to the attention of the school administration, so it was dealt with between students. She has always been antagonistic towards Israel and never missed opportunities to be critical of it. Many others, myself included are critical too, but in the context referred to above and in this current situation, they and I believe she has gone too far. It is not tenable for the Liberal Party to entertain within their ranks someone with these views. Sacking her from an official party role is not sufficient. Sacking her from the party would show that Mr Clegg and the party finally concluded that her views are too noxious for her to continue as a member. Not to do so leaves the Liberal party in bad odour.

She has the "Mad Cow" disease.

Torries against Israel plus the left firmly in their camp,poor Moslems are "voiceless" in Britain.

The state of ISrael or british jewish association should sue this idiot ...

Smuggled them out of Haiti and sent them back to Israel. Use your imagination what the evil Israelis did with them once they got their grimey paws on them.

Being an antisemite doesn't mean being a not nice person. Many antisemites don't understand why they're labelled as such...A main feature of antisemites is not being bad, but having crazy ideas about Jews. Like you do. I saw a book claiming Jews are aliens. Supposedly some Christians believe Jews have horns because they're descended from the Devil; I'm sure many of those Christians are very nice fine people. But their views are not only offensve, but dangerous - 'demonizing' Jews lays the groundwork for others to oppress, expell and exterminate. Many people believe that all successful Jews in the world are united in an attempt to achieve world domination. And many people who believe this feel that they are simply being complimentary to the Jews who are so clever in being able to do this. And they're shocked to be called antisemites. Giving credibility to Palestinian claims that the IDF killed civilians to harvest organs makes one an antisemite. But perhaps still a nice one.

Soon they'll be wanting Israel to create a committee for investigating Israel's connection to Bernie Madoff and the funneling of funds to Israeli coffers. The madness never ends. Some idiot creates a lie and blames Israel for something, and Israel needs to establish a committee to investigate these claims. Then Israel does this but the committee is not objective, so then the international community needs to request the UN to pass a resolution forcing Israel to accept outside investigators. Its all getting pretty ridiculous. Persecution, pure and simple. And the fact its coming from a British MP is quite telling.

do believe Jenny Tonge is both Antisemitic and Racist and I'm a very very happy man this morning to know that I may never see her again on BBC's Question time.

what is wrong with that?!

this woman is a baroness and a member of a moderate leftist party. is this the new britain?