Turkey PM: Israel war crimes worse than Sudan

His is a lost cause,and even if he wanted it,there are no PADISHAKS for him to follow. Simple reason the padishaks wee involved even with Queen Vitoria and were more liberal than Erdogan in many ways.

Here's what you said:You all critized Erdogan, accused Turks of commiting a genocide, told that Turkey is becoming Islamist and Ataturk must be spinning in his grave etc.. None of what you all said was about what Erdogan had said. He would not say it,because he knows the truth and dares not accuse Ataturk.He may not said it in so many words,but the meaning is plain to read/hear.And no if what he had said was the truh we would accept it.But he did not. And none of you could object to what Erdogan had said, Israel committed much worse war crimes than Sudan. Truth sometimes hurts, doesn`t it?

Another brick in the wall: Turkey has sided with the Islamic World and is again disqualifiing herself for a European future. EU cooperation but NEVER membership. The Armenian genocide was also wiped out at the same time. EU should wellcome Israel as member, because Israel and EU have much more in commond from a cultural aspect.

Chok tesshekurler for telling the truth. (Many thanks for telling the truth) I say this with all humility knowing what a bad/silly behaviour Erdogan is trying to do. It began ever so slowly,when he decided his wife to cover her head with a SCARF.That was about a year or so ago. But the signs are getting beyond it,by his alliances with the likes of Ahmedinejad and Syiria's Assad.What can he be thinking of is a puzzle by alienating Turkey from the democratic countries which he will lose comradship,unlike no benefit from Islamists.Foolish man is Erdogan.What we haven't heard from-is the reaction of the military to announce their displeasure and intervene?Very quiet on that front,unless you can tell us more about it? I knew a Zeynab,but not a Zeynep?What say you?

Today is a mourning day in Turkey. It is the day that the great Turkish statesman Mustafa Kemal Ataturk passes away in 1938. In our times many statesman around the world have studied his life and achievements and admire him. From Valerie Giscard D'Estaing to Newt Gingritch many politicians around the world expressed their admiration for him. His political achievements - as well as a few mistakes that he made and addmitted to- deserve to be studied and understood by every Turk in order to bring Turkey into the leage of developed nations. It is very unfortunate that the current Turkish leadeship is trying to taint his image and trying to take all the teachings about him off the schools in exchange of memorizing the Arabic version of Qouran. In this November 10 rather than mourning I am celebrating the great achievents of his, remembering especially YURTTA SULH CIHANDA SULH Peace in the country, peace in the universe

There are many Turks in the USA, some Jewish like me. We support the modern secular democratic republic of Turkey. When I visited New York in 1978 coming from Turkey I met many young modern Iranians protesting the Islamic takeover of the Mullahs. I befriended some and symphatized with their issues. My fear was that this would sprad to Turkey which prompted me to immigrate to USA. Otherwise I was very happy in Turkey. Since 1980 I have been living in USA and I worked with the Jewish organizations here to support and protect Turkish narratives. The Jewish businessman in Istanbul also made lots of efforts spending personal money and resouorces (the names I am sure you have heard) and yet today the most prominenet one is in difficulty to continue his business closing factories while this governmet des not lend a helping hand in gratitude. Thre is not much for us in the USA to do. It is up to you modern Turks to defeat this YOBAZ rule inthe next electins

I gave a lot more to Turkey in lobbying efforts to raise the 1974 arms embargo and stop the Armenian Genocide Bill in the US. I visit Turkey and my real good Ataturk following frinds often. I was there a few months ago. You should understand me too. After spending all that personal time and effort an Islamist government took over Turkey where the president is using such harsh and unacceptable language and to top it, is friendly with a stateseman considered a war criminal by the UN. Let me also say that While I felt very comfortable in Izmir this year, in Istranbul I saw some very bad scenes and anti-Semitism. It may be easy for Turkey to choose a new path and part with Israel and not so easy for Israel to lose a friend but if Turkey uses this fact as a weapon then Turkey is not a real freind. This does not fit into the MERTLIK concept of Turks, surprisingly of the KASIMLASALIs (I have friends from Kasimpasa who are real good friends not like Erdogan)

that if moslems kill non-moslems in great amounts, that is not a genocide, that is JIHAD! Turkish Prime Minister has successfully moved his nation from west to Islam. He is a dangerous man who is doing the Islamic Revolution in Turkey as we speak! What hurts me most is my fellow citizens who are not as ignorant as the mass population in Turkey are sleeping so deep and loving to hate Israel so much that they sold away all their ideals of democracy and secularism to Erdogan's agenda!We are a bunch of very sad few here in Turkey and feel much closer to Israel than any other Moslem nation, with our values and also simply with our developmental stage. Erdogan and his friends are still in violent phase and so are the most Islamic population of earth. They will grow out of it, I hope, but we may not live to see it.

Why does Israel continue to sell Turkey advanced weapon systems? In the future they will probably sell the technology to Israel's enemies (Syria, Iran) and then Israel will have to defend itself against a new generation of offensive weapons based on Israel's existing development. It costs a lot of money to design a new weapon. In fact it probably costs more to design a new system than one can receive in selling the product

How to trust a muslim "friend" ? In terms of war crime Turkey is in pole position. We have no lesson to receive from this kind of pm.

first of all the president of lebanon will not pray in al aksa, remember that he is cristian and not muslim.... about the turkey P.A. turkey should stay at ottoman era, no need to beleive in them as moderate people...

Turkey did not commit war crimes Bashir did not commit war crimes Olmert did not commit war crimes Good company to keep

I guess this guy is too stupid to relize that what he said is anti- semetic as its anti-cristian Just read this again "It is not possible for those who belong to the Muslim faith to carry out genocide," Erdogan told ruling party members.

I will admit Israel committed some atrocities against the Gazan civilian population, but as bad as that was, it fails in any comparison to what was done in Darfur by Bashir. Bashir should be hung by his testicles.

I think the Armenians would disagree with Turkey!

that Turkey has left the West and joined the Islamist regimes, then here it is. Turkey`s chances of being accepted into the European Union are now nil. I wonder how long it will be before Turkey is ousted from NATO. *** Why is this so important to you?

Goldstone and Tutu (by the way dog in French) could both win Gold Medals in HYPOCRISY. Both of them refuse to discuss the Armenian Genocide in legal sense because according to them its too remote and without much evidence. But, but, but...They both cannot decide what to do next to bring the Genocidal Sudanese president to answer for it.Why? They both now are in high pursuit of Israel at the socalled UN. According to them Bosnian, Croatians, Hamas and Hezbolla are all victims of circumstances and don't deserve scrutiny. No wonder Erdogan is laughing in Santa Sofia waiting for the imminent delivery of a "package" from the Ayatollahs to defend itself against Israel as someone previously hinted. One thing is true. All three Erdogan, Tutu and Goldstone have probably never been in Darfur in Sudan. They just sit there and mouth their filth. They should be the last one commenting on Israel.

As the article makes clear, Israel enjoyed good relations with Turkey in the pre-Netanyahoo days. Why has this changed? The rabid hard-right Zionist posters here are quick to blame Turkey for all sorts of misdeeds, but everyone knows in their heart-of-hearts that the world has turned on Israel because of its barbarity in Gaza. Things are not going to get better in the future.

And soon the European tourist will no longer be willing to give their money to an islamist country.

And Turkey is more guilty 100 times over - They murdered a million Armenians.

Believe me. He is only trying to slow down your inevitable self destruction. if you dont want Turkish army's splash on your face. Don't even think such funny things like: "How many Kurds did he kill" "So called Armenian genocide" "This country has no place in Europe" "IDF vs Turkish Army" ( this is the funniest :) "who`d want to be friends with a country named after a bird?" "Erdogan bad for Turkia" etc... if you want to live in peace in this world Stop killing babies! Be a good Muslim!

for world peace , we must read well turkey prime minister...israel must listen the god '' you mustnt kill human '' . LİSTEN THE GOD ...OTHERWİSE UNFORTUNATELY YOU COULD FİNİSH

Najdati , or whatever your name is , this name does not sound to be from Turkey, i dont believe you love Turkey or you feel as a Turk. Israelis are always welcomed to Turkey, of course some people are affected by the politicans who use what Isareli army made to Plestinians in their favor to get support. If you cry for the innocent harmed by the strong, then you are most beloved here. Israelis, dont judge Turkey or Turks just by reading this comment. I am sure anyone of you who has been here knows how kind and hopital the turks (turks, kurds, circassian, arabs etc) are. Dont believe agents trying to make us enemies. Dear David, i dont know how old you are or for how long you havent been here.. That you were born here, that you ate the bread of this soil, should make you try to convince others that we are not enemies of israelis or armenians or kurds. You seem to be very far away from here and far from understandin here. Try to give a little bit of what you gained from this country.

Gotcha heather.Very good analysis.Also "Gul" means rose.Plus he sure doesn't look like a rose.It also can mean "laugh".Now that is appropriate considering the three of them.

You all critized Erdogan, accused Turks of commiting a genocide, told that Turkey is becoming Islamist and Ataturk must be spinning in his grave etc.. None of what you all said was about what Erdogan had said. And none of you could object to what Erdogan had said, Israel committed much worse war crimes than Sudan. Truth sometimes hurts, doesn't it?

Don't confuse your fantasies to reality. Before seeing NATO kick Turkey out... you will see a Republican-Christian Fundamentalist President in Washington ending its financial support of Israel. That Turkey is out of the EU is one thing... for it is already a reality. And the Turks know it. That Turkey is threatened to be kicked out of NATO: HA HA HA! Turkey was not even kicked out when Military Coups were common practice in the country. It was not even expelled when its army invaded Northern Cyprus. You think NATO will suspend its relations with its second strongest Army? Wish, you may... but it won't happen... and the Turks know it too. Why do you think that they came back to their senses by doing what is right (putting Israel at its place)?

if only russia and china had their heads on straight, they and the US could clean up all of the muslim psychopaths worldwide..divided, they all fail...bush was bang on...axis of evil, even though liberals didnt want to hear it...france's SA Total needed oil more than USA, Russia was vying for hegemony, china needs oil, etc...iran, syria, lebanon, turkey, venezuela..all of them are obstacles to real peace...but anti semites would have you believe it's israel...bush might have been ineloquent, but he was strategically right. The UN was blocking any true effort o help because of it's inherantly flawed makeup, and so over 17 sanctions were not enforced, food for oil was being subverted by kofi's son, saddam chemically bombed his own kurds with WMD's, and everone sat and did nothing..well, after 9/11, all bets were off, rightly so...the world is messed up and obama is making things worse..iran is abusing him daily, and he STILL refuses to stand up for true liberty. enrichment continues,

Israel's real crime is being a Jewish nation and not being subservient to Islam.

"let fix that train that went from Istanbul through Syria then Lebanon down to Haifa... let`s get it going again." In my mind,I'm on it already - whoopiieee!

If Israël is guilty, Turkey is even more so for it's behavior against the Kurds today and that against the Armenians and Christians in the past. Let's give a helping hand to those who want Turkey condemned

Turkey committed genocie in Armenia. And denies this fact. Now their president making advances to Amadhinejad and Bashir, two brothers in evil in rtepressing their peoples. What has Turkey to do in EU and NATO? Shalom from Holland

hi jane, - you know, there's a rift down the middle of turkish society going back quite a while. i doubt the secular estblishment & army will let erdogan do whatever he'd like. if he crosses the line they'll pull him in. it's just that they won't lose their sleep over erdogan's outlandish statements v.a.v. israel. but he isn't increasing turkey's chances for EU membership, that's for sure. as for europe, whatever huge problems there might be, there's no 'islamist takeover' looming here yet. but there may be a confrontation if the radical elements keep growing. i saw "the third jihad" the other day. that's about the USA. i'm sure many will shrug it off, find ways to dismiss it. but i couldn't help but taking it seriously. i wonder if you've seen it & what you think.

First lovey-dubby with the fascist Iranian dictator Ahmadinejad, now with the genocidal Bashir! Mr. Erdogan, you are really showing now exactly what kind of person you yourself are . As they say "birds of a feather flock together". I feel so sorry for Turkey! Where is the army? I thought they were there to protect Ataturk's heritage.

...a very important switch in Erdogan from West to East.

The assertion that the crimes of Cast Lead were worse than the crimes of Sudan in Darfur is simply absurd. The Prime Minister of Turkey may be playing to public sentiment, but he is being heard world wide. And he is sounding like a fool.

Thanks! There is certainly more than tiring ongoing politics about Syria and Israel. There is an interesting and profound history and culture as well! If peace isnt happening, at least we should start and try our own..thats what really matters : ) and remember: my opinions arent TYPICAL syrian ;)

Ataturk being disturbed in his grave. Shame if he could only see what he worked so hard to achieve by bringing his country into the 20th century.And here comes Erdogan reversing it to join the "Jihadists"/"fundementalists" . At this rate Turkey will never be accepted into the EU.They tried over the few decades,only to be refused entry.So,what is the purpose of Erdogan's agenda.. These Muslims are an amazingly out of bounds mentally disturbed people.

If Ataturk was turning in his grave every time Erdogan makes a bad decision internally or internationally, poor Ataturk would be the ventilator fan. All jokes aside; As a person born raised and educated in Turkey(from 1950 to 1980) I still believe that once Turkey is in th ecritical point of totally shifting to Islamic world and turning its back at the west then either this party will be voted out or the military will crack down in a very strong way. The military is being extra patient in order to be in line with the EU democratic standards expecting a democratic oust of AKP now but their patience has a limit too.

How Will This Ever Make Sense? Exhibit A: "I can easily discuss such issues with Omar al-Bashir. I can say to his face: What you are doing is wrong," Erdogan Conflicts Exhibit B: "But Erdogan said he does not believe that Sudanese paramilitary forces committed acts of genocide against African residents of Darfur." And of course the Whopper of it all, the one that makes no sense: "It is not possible for those who belong to the Muslim faith to carry out genocide," Erdogan Why? Is there something physical that happens to Muslims with regards to genocide? do they become inable to pull the trigger? Let's face it, that is pure BS Racism. So What Happened to Those Armenians in Turkey and neighbouring Armenia around turn of last century? Cause Ottoman Turkey was Muslim and I guess phsyically inable to have genocided them. Make sense, and if you believe it I have a bridge for Sale, great price will fit any location!

why would the turks want to side with the west when the iranians are getting away with murder?

Ataturk just turned over in his grave and Turkey will not join the EU. Oh well, so much for democracy in Turkey. It seems no Islamists will ever allow democracy. If Turkey can join the radical Islamists then it won't be long before others follow. Look out England, France and Sweden. You've got lots of Muslims too.

sarkozy dont want turkey because he thınk he is napolyon now:D and he fears from turkey baceuse you get more seats in european parlamentary more than france ıf you joın thats whole problem for france and other thnıng ıs our PM ıs doıng wrong sometimes this was one of them regards from ıstanbul

thank you for some uplifting light of hope in this dark, blind alley. rgs,-

"It is not possible for those who belong to the Muslim faith to carry out genocide," This is because it would allow everyone to understand a few things: 1) Ataturk's vision of a secular Turkey is almost dead completely 2) That Turkey speaks nonsense and deserves little attention or respect. The statement that he makes has as much merit as well just about any racist statement. It has as much merit as stating that All Muslims are Terrorist, Jews Rich and Greedy, Goys studpid etc... Its a blatant Racist Generalization. And it furthermore shows that Turkey might be incapable of seperating its emotion. Such that, its emotions as a Muslim country are interferring with its logical abilities. Well Done Ergogan, Like Iran, you are often Israel's best friend when it comes to making stupid commments that can now be exploited against you, such that your views will be tarnished and not receive the welcoming that you'd expect.

nearly as bad as theirs. Good, so you admit comitting war crimes but your defence is that you are not as bad a criminal as they are. Hmmmm---it is progress ---I suppose.

It is obvious that the Turks are acting to bring Islam under one roof.

So, withdrawing from most parts of the West Bank and allowing a viable Palestinian state to exist is not only equivalent to, but far worse the the murder, rape and enslavement of hundreds of thousands of Darfurians?

Often we here complaints that the USA supports Israel and how unfair it is. Some here complain that the U.S. is controlled by the Jews an old and silly accusation. The truth is...as is stated in this article...it is the UN that is controlled by the 57(out of a 192)Islamic states! If a Palestinian gets a hang nail they all go running to the UN for a resolution condemning Israel. Then use those hollow condemnations as "proof" of Israels lack of morality. Talk about a kangaroo court.

& dino, on occasions like this, if you don't have anything better to say, just stay out of it, will you. doesn't it shock you to hear what erdogan is saying? it has nothing to do w/a viable pal. state. this is a 'moderate' muslim politician speaking. not only the completely outlandish comparisons he's making, his backing of the ultra-criminal bashir - listen to what he says about the last few decades of massacres in hundreds of thousands perpetrated by muslims! this has nothing to do w/israel. if he's able to be this 150% in denial, what should that tell you? don't twist everything. or do see one of the superb swiss shrinks. you're amazing, dino.

This white washing of what Sudan is carrying out in Darfur is disgusting and highly inaccurate. As for Muslims not carrying out genocide, well, that is a 20th cent term that may not apply, but what the world has witnessed in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan, with Muslims killing thousands of other Muslims may be quantively different but not qualitatively. It is barbarism carried out with the veneer of religion.It is a scandal which Islam will never be able to live down. This should not be compared to the war crimes that Israel perpetrated in Gaza during Operation Cast Lead.

... the first response that Syria uttered was regret that Turkey was 'comproming' its role as a broker for Syrian-Israel peace... ... thereby Syria safely distances itself from all Turkish tirades... and concommitantly gains 'honorable' time to continue its cold-shouldering of any Israeli overtures (whether false or genuine...)

noam, - you better hear /read what bashir actually has been indicted for. this is beyond the level of 'goldstone' reports - he has already been indicted, & the scale of it is like an ocean to a bucket. no objections to your post but the 1st word of the title. rgs,-

Now we know why Turkey should not join EU, comparing the butcher of Khartoum to a civilized country

The Turkey / Izmir where I was born and raised was a welcoming country proud of their MISAFIRPERVERLIK (welcoming others.) As Mevlana Celaleddin Rumi had said KIM OLURSAN OL GEL (Who ever you are, come) But I see that your generation has forgotton these good Turkish traits and abandoned Ataturk's path such as YURTTA SULH CIHANDA SULH (peace inside the country and peace in the universe) It is sad to to see the great secular democracy created by Ataturk heading back to the middle ages. Ataturk and Leutenant Kubilay must be turning in their graves with sadness. Kubilay's sacrife was in vain.

... the riddle is why this Erdo guy has to rub-it-in on a daily basis... ... maybe that is his conception of "education"... ... or maybe Iran is demanding daily reassurance of his allegiance...

"Even the Turkish/Kurdish conflict seems to be resolved." Why don't you ask the Kurds about this? On what do you base you statement?

Ever heard of opinions? What does Israel joining the EU have to do with anything? The point is that Turkey is now going backward instead of forward, thanks to its pro-Islamist leader. Poor Turks!

I like the way you think - spread the word.

mumble when it comes to speaking out about Turkish past genocide against Armenia.

Then maybe he would understand the difference between 1,300 and 200,000. And how many rockets and mortars did the Darfurians fire? But Erdogan's classic bit of self-delusion is: "It is not possible for those who belong to the Muslim faith to carry out genocide," Yeah, right. Tell it to the Armenians and the Kurds. More Muslims have been murdered by other Muslims than by anyone else.

To say that you love most Brits but not the racist / disrespectful ones doesn't work. When crowds of young Brits go on holiday, they usually drink a lot. And chant football songs. And sometimes the good nature turns sour. When this happens in Spain, the police arrest them, make them sleep in cells overnight. And let them go in the morning. In Turkey, a bit of abuse got met with people being stabbed to death. Brits should avoid that kind of "love" by staying out of Turkey. Same as staying out of the jail-for-snogging-in-public Arab countries which are run by people who love whores and coke in Vegas.

the more Turkey gobbles like Turkeys, hopefully the more Greece and Israel will get friendlier!!! His ludicrous statements show this malakas intelligence,calling an end to occupation(what is he doing in Cyprrus(kipros) and saying Muslims cant commit genocide, Armenia,Kurdistan are a fine example of this, and the Shias and Sunnis killing eachother,not genocide??? let a new golden age of friendship begin between Israel and Greece :-) ps:what was destroyed in Salonika in 1943 shall be reborn in Tel Aviv :-)

thus they lie, and in doing so have commited genocide not only against Armenian Christians, but Kurdish Muslims too. have a nice day my friend :-)

who besides Islamists? "more power and infulance to work with arab and muslim countries".Good luck.Have you looked up how millions of each other have they killed in the last 60 years? Do you like Arab apartheid? Sounds like Mullah human rights abusing dictators and other Arab despots are the friends you and Edrogan want for Turkey.You sure normal Turks want them as well? I hope Turks can restore democracy after you people have finished with your agenda.

It is far easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for Turkey to enter the EU. Why? If their 'Prime Minister' is representing the majority, then Europe does not need millions of people who cannot fathom reality. BTW, did everyone see the Amnesty International report on Turkey regarding violence against half the population of women. I suppose that was made up as well - what? muslim men beating women; unheard of says Erdogan.

It is far easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for Turkey to enter the EU. Why? If their 'Prime Minister' is representing the majority, then Europe does not need millions of people who cannot fathom reality. BTW, did everyone see the Amnesty International report on Turkey regarding violence against half the population of women. I suppose that was made up as well - what? muslim men beating women; unheard of says Erdogan.

It is far easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for Turkey to enter the EU. Why? If their 'Prime Minister' is representing the majority, then Europe does not need millions of people who cannot fathom reality. BTW, did everyone see the Amnesty International report on Turkey regarding violence against half the population of women. I suppose that was made up as well - what? muslim men beating women; unheard of says Erdogan.

Many comments remind us of past atrocies against Red Indians, Aborigines, Armenians, Kurds etc, maybe even the atrocities of the Romans, but they forget that times have changed. Even the Turkish/Kurdish conflict seems to be resolved. And the Kurds are the exact opposite of the Pals. The Kurds want their own state, to be a Tiurk with equal rights is not enough, the Pals want the exact opposite. Give the Pals what the Turks gave to the Kurds and everything is fine.

Hello Hamidou, hooligan events long forgotten, what? like the Armenian Genocide.... The only thing that you welcome is our money... Having been to both Greece and turkey, Greece is a much better choice than "Islamist Turkey" will ever be... Why do you think that Sarkozy rejects the idea of turkey joining the EU?

No matter what you say Brits are coming here by millions every year and we get along just fine. Those hooligan events are long forgotten. You represent nothing about the UK. Brits are welcome and they know it. We love em except the tiny minority of racist ones.

Why does Israel never make comment on kurdish issue but Turkey is always making comment and insult on Israel? Why Israel is so afraid?

"It is not possible for those who belong to the Muslim faith to carry out genocide," Erdogan told ruling party members. Try telling that to the Armenian Christians!

Interestingly South Africa chose to defend Bashir as well. Tutu and Goldstone did not seem to find the need to call any press conferences or prance the world stage crying human rights.Neither signed letters announcing they were shocked to the core.

I wonder how much he is getting from Iran to destroy a valid relationship with Israel for the unknown with Iran. Iran will help him with his problem with the Kurds,so that he can commit the crime he has accused Israel of.

We also have no desire of accepting the Turks to the EU. Actually we would much prefer to accept Israel, they are more civilised and more technologically advanced then the Turks. We do not want "turk stabbing" savages to our pleasant lands. Look at what happened to some Leeds football fans a few years ago, they went to watch a football match and were stabbed to death by turk supporters.... a THOUSAND CHEERS TO ISRAEL!!!

It is preposterous that Turkey rediscovered the meaning of war crimes etc. etc. Is it true that they have removed the word Armenians from their vocabulary ? Do these barbarians deserve to be accepted as Europeans or even as democratic ? Are they just waiting to be written down as member of the EU and then declare their country as the Islamic Republic of Turkey ? Not reversible . Are we all too stuffed up to realise what is happening around ? Will Iran pass the nukes to Turkey as a subterfuge whilst we are all dazzled about the Great President Husein of the last superpower? The word PERIL is written there everywhere. I for one am going back to bed.

Its cheap to blame Bashir if you give weapons to the black.

Erdogan is damaging Turkey so much in such a short time.

Newspapers, Human Rights Groups and Doctors without Borders have been documenting the Genocide in Darfur for years. The Butcher Bashir has been implicated in the International Criminal Court. But Erdogan says... 'if there were such a thing...' and the rest of rubbish he spews from his mouth. It's important to realize, the Turkish people deserve better than this Prime Minister... speaking out of both sides of his mouth.

Israel make a strong durable alliance with Greece and Greek Cypriots. Iran take notice. There was a place called Marathon.

You just got to love the Turks... they thought by beign friendly with Israel, it would make them look seperate from other 'fanatics' and somehow this would be their ticket to EU membersip. When that didn't work... they laid the boot in to that country they never really liked and were only pretending to.

Turkey is bringing together all islamic nations against Israel and the west.One thing is clear if don't stop them now they we'll be worse than Iran. Turkey is enemy of Israel.Period.

Ahlan, Ahmad, I am not a specialist in religious studies, but i think destruction of a nation (Israel, Palestine, whatever) is not encouraged by our faiths. At least I hope not. I think that we are destined to live together (side by side as neighbours) and the sooner we all understand that, the sooner we start respecting each other's place in this land, the sooner all the BS is cut, the sooner a fair deal will be reached. And I am a believer that it can be reached. Stating publcally what you wish for is honest, and I respect honesty, but wishing for Israel to be destroyed only strenghthens those in Israel who think that a compromise with your people is a waste of time, you will agree to a deal but deep inside you will still wait for the first opportunity to plunge a dagger in our back. I hope they are wrong and you do not really want Israel destroyed. Peace, Shalom, Salaam, Ahmad.

Arab I am with you. We have to start working together instead of always dreaming of ways to destroy. Achmad #11, this belief that if we are just stronger we can win gets us nowhere. Your people are destroyed by this belief. enough.

I agree with you 100% and would love a seat on that train with boarding on/off privileges at every stop. Awsome!

to have the courage of Sadat and Rabin. They would all rather shout and scream and act like children. It's shameful.

isreal is unlikely to ever be a member of either

Everyone warned that if an isamista gained ontrol in Turkey it would br very bad news hes a finatic blabbering terrorist supporter Ottoturk saw it right when he made Turkey a secular state hope the military throws him out soon ..his stiopes were evident from the beginning.. moderate islamista haha.. hes as bad now..as that psychotic in Iran

In fear of EU's reaction, Erdogan cannot welcome Omar Al-Bashir at the OIC meeting in Turkey. So, he publicly denies Bashi's crimes in the most bigoted way and ... blame the Jews instead. His statements are tokens of solidarity with the mass murderers in Karthoum and antisemites everywhere. Now we know what "moderate" islamism is.

before your good plan can happen... the head of the snake must be chopped off. That snake is Iran - who finances all this terror and causes the instability! after Iran collapses - and it will one day - then Hezbollah and Hamas will weaken like babies - and then you can have peace. But with the money and weapons flowing from Iran... forget it. Peace brother. Peace

It is unbelievable to read the Turkish PM saying that those holding Muslim faith are incapable of genocide. Maybe this is just part of the usual Turkish negation of history; let us not forget that the Ottoman Empire carried out the Armenian Genocide in 1915, killing about one million citizens of the empire, who had been long discriminated as Christians. So the syllogism is simple; Turks are Muslims, Muslims cannot commit genocide, Turks did not commit the Armenian genocide ... Better to speak directly with Syria than having such brokers in between.

we may differ on whether israel committed war crimes in gaza (btw, are the qassams war crimes in your book?), & you're right that no people /ethnic group /religion is exempt as to the potential ability to commit the worst of acts, incl. genocide. your kick to the jews has no place here, though. many adherents to different ethnic groups will tell you how exceptional they are. but let's be frank. jews are not known to have committed genocide which is a serious term (nor are armenians & many others). christians have in the past. for some reason for the past few decades muslims of different origin, many of them arabs, h-a-v-e committed atrocities on an incomparable scale to anything in gaza, if not genocides then very close to genocides, killing hundreds of thousands of people. check algeria to sudan to iraq to east-timor. so we're not talking ability. we're talking about what's happening & it's massive. maybe you're a muslim. fine. but if you want to be true, don't fool around.

I am not surprised. to erdogan a muslim has a much higher value then a non-muslim--hence the 1300 dead palestinians are a bigger crime then 400 000 african christians. turkey has commited various genocide in the 20th century--the greeks, the armenians, the nestorians, the assyrians--a total estimate of some 4 million victims. this country should never become a member of europe.

Since the Turkish government is adamant it treated the peaceful Armenians humanly in 1915 & currently the fighting & civilian Kurds according to the laws of war, it is surprising Erdogan did not compare the "outstanding" behaviour of his country to that of Israel. May be the number Darfur victims of the Soudanese war criminal president Bashir looked to him to be a less controversial than bringing up his country?

Well, the Turks know of they are talking: genocide is one of their specialities (against Armenian, the Curds, etc). How about asking now Goldstone to write a report about it? Now you also know, why nobody really wants Turkey in Europe.

I hope all American Jews on this posting read your vile and obnoxious post...as for me I would not step foot in turkey and will tell every American I know not to travel there. So far I have dissuaded several people from making travel plans that include going to turkey. The name of your country says it all.. gobble gobble gobble...a country with the intelligence of a turkey....what a joke. Go join with the islamic jihadists the only thing you will get is your head handed to you on a skewer. May I end with a thank you for showing your true colors so that Israel and Jews throughout the world are alerted to your hypocrisy and stupidity.

For hundreds of years they were oppressing the country I came from in Europa . Their savagery went into the national folklore .

"It is not possible for those who belong to the Muslim faith to carry out genocide," Erdogan told ruling party members. And he is saying it with a straight face . Subject closed , nothing further to discuss .

1.5 million slaughtered CHRISTIAN Armenians, at least 40,000 killed Kurds, millions of Kurds forcibly assimilated (ethnic cultural genocide), millions of Greek-speaking residents of Anatolia expelled from their historic homelands, 1/3 of a sovereign nation -Cyprus- occupied, its non-Muslim residents mostly expelled to the part retaining it sovereignty. Erdogan is not a proud Muslim- he's a proud Islamist and would want to prosecute the heroic American lady who took down the wicked Hassan Malik murderer at Fort Hood, TX as a "war criminal"

They must now go on the offensive. Erdogan has clearly gone off the deep end - apologizing for the genocide in the Sudan and impotently claiming that Israel's actions in Gaza - self defense actions mind you - are somehow 'worse.' Israel should not lose any opportunity to condemn Erdogan for offering to give aid and comfort to a mass murderer.

Islamic extremism is spreading like wild fire. Turkey is one of the latest nations infected. The hatred spreads and the once good relations between the two nations are destroyed as Turkey sides with the Taliban, Al Quada, Hamas, the PLO and others who are sworn enemies of Israel, the Jewish people and peace. In their eyes we are all just infidels.

And this is what you call a friend of Israel? At least our enemies are more honest.

I only suggest you, come to Israel for a few days. You'll get the real picture. Thngs are not black, neither withe, as you seem to think. ps: Your talkback was published (-: even if we don't like what you say, we received your opinion. Shalom

Erdogan should stop the prosecution of kurds before pointing finger at Israel.

The boy has finally lost it. Ever since he issued that public rebuke of Shimon Peres, I had my doubts. This just confirms it.

"....the train line from istambul to haifa you are talking about will be rebuilt after the destruction of israel." You're right - it will then NEVER be rebuilt.

You got to be kidding....europeans are the lastest ppl on the face of earth that can point fingers. You would say "what we did?" Try 400 years of colonialism in america, the systematic killing of native americans, the rape of america's natural resorcers, slavery (yes, who brought the africans to be slaves in america are the so enlightened europeans), almost 350 of economic struggle, not to mention 2 world wars, the genocide of the europeans jews, the racial pseudo-theories of the 19 century and early 20's, colonization of Africa and Asia and much more things. yes, europe also gave a lot of good things to earth, but dont forget that most of the worlds problem we face today started only becuse the uncontroleable european greed, so please, put that finger down that europe have no historic base to dictate moral to others.

This Turkish PM, Wow many Kurds did he kill ? His hands are probably still dripping with Kurdish blood. The time has come for Israel to openly declare her support for a free & independent Kurdestan. Her boundaries should include: parts of TURKEY,Iraq,Iran, Syria & Armenia. There are over 18,million Kurds. They Need a country. Stop this never ending babble about the Palestinians. Start talking in earnest about Kurdistan.

Thank you. I love Syria. I really do. I hope we can have peace soon.

I guess the Europeans can thank us for exposing the true sentiments of an Islamic Turkey. The chances of Turkey ever joining the EU are almost nil now as there will always be a big Islamic influence in Turkey - even if Erdogan and his party are deposed tomorrow.As to the imaginary Israeli war crimes in Gaza as alluded to by Erdogan and some "enlightened" talkbackists. Give me a break. The Israeli soldier is taught to fight.He doesn't waste his time on non-military targets.

even the Crusaders didn't kill as many Muslims as the Muslims themselves have killed their own borthers in the last 10 years!!!

... he is trying to serve a third party... ... or that third party is threatening him...

Turkey installed dams to block water going into Syria. Of course Turkey wants Israel to give up the Golan Heights to replace this water. Turkey has now endorsed the extermination of Christians in Sudan and says this is isn't as bad as Israel defending herself against his fellow muslims. Some say this is for internal consumption? What, trying to turn his country back a few hundred or thousand years? Israel doesn't need friends like this or to allow them to have superior Israeli military arms. They screwed the US from having a land route into northern Iraq in 2003, and now everything coming out of their mouths now. At least we now know who they are aligning themselves with, Syria, Iran, and Sudan. Good luck and good riddance.

absolutely and pathetically ignorant , could not even call his rhetoric full of half-truths because much of what he says is complete fallacy. I weep for turkeys future with this individual at the helm. Turkey is capable of so much more than this pathetic fool , in bed with the ayatollahs, has to offer

turkish warplanes harrassing day and nite greek islands.4000 greek males cipriot disappeared in the invasion if 1974.The border between greece and The new Ottoman Empire still ovecrowded of antitank and anti-man mines. Erdogan giving lectures of what?

everything is a theatre.the power in the islamic world will be shifted from iran to turkey with the guidance from USA (and israel:-).

You realize when Turkey reached its lowest level when you listen Syrians advising them to have good relations with Israel. Turkey used to be serious, now it is just one more irrelevant Muslim country. Attaturk must be revolted. I hope the Turkish army is aware of this

The Armenians & the Kurds. Erdogan is bad news for Turkey & his pushing it closer to an Islamic sharia state & further from Europe.

"Turkey does not recognize the International Criminal Court, the Netherlands-based body that in March issued an arrest warrant for al-Bashir." Another joke from the zionistic medias. The USA do not accept the International Criminal Court. Otherwise their soldiers will go to prison. What about Israel? I have an Israel friend, he is manipulated by the media in the same way as the Americans. He believes the shit Israel and the medias in the world tells him, the lies, the Mossad-Jokes. In a few years every nation will hate Israel. Please, do not publice this Talkback. The honest people must not read the truth about the zionistic system in the world.

Is this really coming from a Head of State?! Un-freaking-believable!!! How can the State of Israel even pretend to talk with this man?! It'd be a shame if he was poisoning an otherwise healthy state of affairs between these two countries, but let's be honest. Does anone really believe that the Jewish State can have warm relations with a county 99.9% Muslim? A country that, for whatever reason, is trying to reallign itself with Syria and Iran. Erdogan, you have zero legitimacy.

Worse than Sudan? Israel should not hesitate to break relations with Turkey so long as the Islamsit-Jihadists led by Erdogan are in power.

This is disgraceful and utterly shameful. A country, Turkey, that committed genocide against Armenia and murdered two million Armenians has the nerve to state that Israel's "crimes" are worse than those committed in Darfur?? Does this man understand mathematics? Even if you believe the Palestinians claims that more than half of the 1,400 Palestinians killed by Israel during Operation Cast Lead were civilians how does 700 people equate to the more than 250,000 murdered in Darfur?? Please Israel, please do the right thing and withdraw your ambassador from the anti-semitic increasingly radical Islamist country of Turkey. Enough is enough!!

Better to accept the end of the relations as reality and hope that israel's technology given to the turks has not already been given to every islamic terrorist.

Israel IDF planers should make contingency strategy war games, counting on a direct Turkey Air force involvement and possible its armored units acting form Syria. While Turkey hardware is from USA and could have some disabling devices in case it is used against a friendly country, it is possible they may have developed some extra missiles with chemicals on too; this will qualify them for a quick spa treatment with tactical nuclear devices.

one of the main arab muslim founding ideologies is: win or die! Human force seems less valued!

Just from reading the Turkish newspapers I can see that 1. many books are sold that accuse the Turkish generals of being hidden Jews and part of a zionist conspiracy, way back to Ataturk. 2. demonizing Israel with billboards showing the Israelis as cold-blooded killers in Gaza. In addition, there is the same stuff sold in kiosks around Turkey. Maybe it took 90 years, but it looks like the Islamists are getting closer to taking down the army and installing rule by the clerics. However, the Alevis, who also suffer discrimination, prefer secularism; what about the Kurds, Christians, Jews and "others" in Turkey. Kurdistan may have been a more friendly country, if it could have been created. That means taking a piece from Turkey and Iran. Let's give Kars and Ani back to Armenia, Hatay back to Syria, make Baluchistan autonomous, and create pieces from Iran and Turkey like we did with Serbia.

"The Turkish prime minister also said that he did not believe that Bashir was guilty of the crimes for which he was indicted" So no matter how heinous the crime is, Erdogan will whitewash it. Just as long as the criminal is Muslim.

Great idea , all those presidents will diffenately travel to jerusalem and pray in al aqsa mosuqe immidiately after Israel's withdrawal from jerusalem ....the train line from istambul to haifa you are talking about will be rebuilt after the destruction of israel.

So sorry mr. Erdogan YOU ARE AN IDIOT!

to those naive commentators : Turkey has no more desire to join EU anymore, we will have more power and infulance to work with arab and muslim countries than EU countries ...also , Israeli tourists are not welcome in turkey , we are sick and tired of savage and animal like behavoior of Israeli tourists , please dont come here , we dont want your money . Thank You

And this is exactly why Turkey is not welcome into the EU. Deny committed warcrimes bij any Islamic country, forget Armenia and by al means kick Israel. They disqualify themselves even fot NATO.

Erdogan bad for Turkia.

Not that I actually care what your feelings are for Israel, but why do you regard UN membership so highly? The UN has all but ignored human rights violations in Sudan, Darfur, Tibet and a host of other countries. Their ambivalence should not be overlooked. Also, why do you unconditionally believe every lie coming out of the Hamas rumour mill? Are you anticipating that someday they might tell the truth?

just where is Olmert these days? Avoiding Israeli justice?

Feel free to sever all ties with Turkey. Apparently, Islamic extremists scare them too much. You're better off without them. After all, who'd want to be friends with a country named after a bird?

""It is not possible for those who belong to the Muslim faith to carry out genocide," Erdogan told ruling party members."" LOL You mean they don't teach history in Turkey?

Erdogan has gone from being a liability to Israel to being a liability to Turkey. He seems not very smart and may be losing his marbles. My guess is it will only get worse, and Turkey will join Iran in the international peanut gallery. If the Turkish army will allow it, that is.

Turkey joined NATO in 1952 during the cold war, the threat from the Soviet Union is no longer a threat for turkey. In fact Turkey has no need for NATO membership, and has no enemies in the region, other than their ally Israel, it appears. It is highly likely that Turkey can align themselves with Iran and leave NATO. Also no logistical support of any operation against Iran would be given to any coalition, that is the message I take out of all of this. The Gaza war is a pretext to facilitate that strategic shift. Fearsome foe the Turk.

....the same chance to exaggerate (??), if Israel would have obliged to the will of the whole International community, and finally withdrawn from most parts of the West Bank and allowed a viable Palestinian state to exist there....???? We all know the answer to that question, don't we...??? Wouldn't it be about time to stop being your own worst enemy...???

There are billboards all over Turkey demonizing Israel. The Kurds, Armenians are also demonized. When the Turkish population takes an authoritarian, nationalistic outlook because it is taught that by the govt., it will be difficult or impossible for the govt. to get them to make up with the "others" because they have been carefully taught. Muslims killing other muslims isn't condemned (esp. when the ones being killed are black?). TV showed the genocide,horsemen riding by shooting people and gunships above killing them. The fact is Turkey is demonizing Israelis now and the Turkish people is being carefully taught to hate Israelis, while he condones the genocide in Darfur. He said on tv in america, we are not that kind of people when denying the Armenian genocide, at the same time he was murdering Kurds. Now he wants to keep Turkey together, but they demonized and hate each other. Maybe only the Kurds, Armenians and Jews make up democracy in Turkey today.

Clearly Endrogan is no longer in command of his faculties.Every day he comes up with yet another ididotic insult of the truth concerning Israel.As for war crimes - we still remember what turkey did to the Kurds.These are war crimes.

"It is not possible for those who belong to the Muslim faith to carry out genocide," Erdogan told ruling party members. HAHAHA, someone is REALLY trying to make me laugh or what?! What about the killings and genocides among Sunnies and Shiites in different areas of the muslim world which is clearly showing in Iraq? And the turkish islamic genocide of the Armenians and other minorites??? And the Halabja genocide? Werent they commited by people of the muslim faith???!!! Counselling is my advise.

Turkey is a fine example of a nation which has no undue Jewish influence. People can speak the truth without fear of repurcussions from Jewish pressure groups. America is just the opposite. In America, even when Israel is flagrently violating long term American policy, the American leadership can only manage to mumble apologetically until the are stifled by the Jewish pressure groups. The Turkish PM brings a breath of fresh air.

The conquerer of Cyprus,shut up and get out of where you do not belong .

- & crimes against humanity. so if they did, they didn't, 'cause they couldn't. the turks couldn't have slaughtered the armenians & the 300000 dead & a few million displaced darfurians (muslims) are a mirage. as are the mass killings by muslims all over the world, from algeria to iraq to indonesia (east-timor). erdogan better call his shrink. i think he & ahmadinejad are competing in who's best at scandalous, outlandish statements. erdogan is currently leading. the turks better get another prime minister, at least if they still wanna become part of the EU.

Once again the Arab and Muslim world shows us that their constant attacks against Israel have nothing to do with any interest in human rights, and everything to do with Jew hatred.

To say that Sudan has not committed war crimes shows us that the leadership of Turkey has now taken a jihadist outlook. The killings in Darfur and southern Sudan far eclipse the maltreatment of Palestinians. Perhaps Erdogan doesn't think the victims in Sudan matter much. But then again, they have killed Kurds and Armenians without remorse. I'm glad Europe didn't allow Turkey into the EU.

To suggest that what happened in Cast Lead was worse than what went on in Darfur is absurd.

It does look like Turkey is lost to the West, doesn't it. I don't think the European Union helped matters any by blocking Turkey's membership. It may have inspired Turkey to look elsewhere for alliances. So I have read.

PM Erdogan has become embroiled in a political situation not unknown to some. The populist statements are more for domestic consumption than many tend to agree to. The truth is that Mr.Erdogan is playing his last cards with the Turkish Military. Strange as it may seem,the President of Syria has noticed said hand. Turkey is an integral part of NATO. The Turkish Military will not withstand another round of condemnation or lose its position as a key player in said community. The point here, is that Syria knows only to well where the true hand lies. One cannot therefore discount that Syria has come of political age. Pity that Mr.Edorgan has bedded with Tehran and forgotten his people. Strange enough, it will be Syria that will redirect this malady by Mr. Erdogan, for Syria will not allow another non secular state on its border, after the ultimate fall of Iraq,which will no doubt come about soon enough. For the uninitiated, Syria is secular. Such is the ME political minefield. Good night.

If he actually said "It is not possible for those who belong to the Muslim faith to carry out genocide" it's incredible. This country has no place in Europe. And neither does Israel, incidentally. Both suffer from Old Testamentosis and Koraniasis, caused by a chronic lack of Enlightenment.

a laughing stock as he manouvers Turkey into the same heap as Iran etc.

Is the Turkish Prime Minister having problems with those that voted for him? I can not think of a logical explanation as to why go about such lies and distortions. He must be losing support amongst moderate Turks, and is no looking to make ground with the rising extremists. So sad.. I know the people of Turkey are much smarter then this!

to his Islamist credentials. Sudan did not commit genocide, just as Turkey didn't (those pesky 1.5million Armenians just committed suicide - no Turkish involvement). And there is this bridge to sell you ...

I definitely think Israel engaged in war crimes in Gaza. I have zero doubt about that, but I also have no doubt that people of any faith whether they're Muslim, Jewish, or Christian can commit genocide, and Erdogan is wrong that Muslims have never committed genocide. This is not befitting a prime minister of Turkey. It's one thing to deny that Turkey committed the Armenian genocide and another to say people of the Muslim faith are not capable of a genocide. All humans are capable of such things. This thinking exists amongst Jews, the denying that their own could stoop so low. Turkey's prime minister has no credibility if he makes such unbalanced statements.

Sorry Syria !You are late,Turkey, already received orders from Iran to break ties with Israel.

Looks like the Turks are sleep-walking into being subjected to the Islamic Republic of Turkey.I wouldn't be surprised to see the Turkish army having to act soon.Erdogan is either as bad as Ahmedinejad or just raving mad.Whichever,Israel doesn't need a friend like him. THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL!!!

because Netanyahu would very quickly show the Turkish Prime Minister that he is wrong. If Egypt simply opens its Gaza border, as Israel opened its border to almost a million Jews kicked from the Arab states, there would be no "refugee" problem. Egypt DOES have a Gaza border. All talk of "Israel's" Gaza siege is thus complete bull. The gigantic Arab world can solve their own "Arab refugee" problem overnight. The world knows this, and so does Erdogan.

Erdogan's quote : "It is not possible for those who belong to the Muslim faith to carry out genocide," Erdogan told ruling party members. Then Mr Erdogan, what are the Pakistanis doing to each other ? And the Afghans ? And the Irakis ? the Algerians, even the Tunisians and Hamas to Fatah ? And what did the Jordanians and Syrians do to the Palestinians in the 70's ? and today the Saudis to the Yemenites ? Did the Irakis not invade Kuwait ? Is Hizbolah not killing muslim 'traitors' in Lebanon ? Mr Erdogan, with due respect to a head of State : you simply lost your head ! no wonder Sarkozy doesn't want you in Europe, there are enough 'nice peaceful' people there , harmless to their 'brothers' and others !!

We should take seriously Mr Erdogan when he talks about state killings of civilians. Turkey was the first country to commit a Genocide against the Armenians in 1915.

and would applaud him . One more portrait ,this time of a Turk to be added to the long list of Israeli Lefties Saint Icons ,alongside Arafat ,Haniyeh ,Pol Pot and Stalin

"It is not possible for those who belong to the Muslim faith to carry out genocide" Erdogan told ruling party members.

As we try and create a peaceful world around may we ask how to correct Gaza? Do we need the Royal Families to meet without our prime ministers in peace negotiations and for GAZA? What of the West Bank? Really. You know Benjamin Netanyahu did not personally committ the war crime. We are trying to prosecute the persons who did. I read TIME magazine I saw the stories and they are being taken care of... Who invaded GAZA as well. Why are you blocking as a prime minister of Turkey the National Gaurd I wanted created in GAZA. Are you a conspirator to terrorism because you are muslim? Well lets consider this my left side is muslim my right side is Hebrew Catholic. I stepped on a bus they said Jew or Palestinian I said Catholic they said sit wherever you want. Racist be you..I went to the grocery they said Jew or Palestinian tax I said explain they said what it has always been that way.Change. It is your generation that wants hate.I 39 will be 40 in February is trying to lead. Rankoo

We should be grateful to Erdogan for dispelling all doubts about the Islamist-run Turkey.

I'm surprised they haven't been wecome with open arms. Edrogen becomes more radical everyday.

together with King Abdullah and Mubarak and Abbas, and the Lebanese President... All of them should do a surprise weekend visit, and meet bibi... and end this conflict... I'm really tired of this, we can have better synergy if we work together rather than against each other... let fix that train that went from Istanbul through Syria then Lebanon down to Haifa... let's get it going again.

that Turkey has left the West and joined the Islamist regimes, then here it is. Turkey's chances of being accepted into the European Union are now nil. I wonder how long it will be before Turkey is ousted from NATO.