Thousands attend Gaza funerals of 11 militants killed in IDF raid

it is very difficult if not impossible to think of the IDF as brave. They are armed to the teeth with American weapons.Israel has tanks,warplanes,etc, etc. The Palestinians fight on with virtually nothing but rocks.That takes guts.They have earned the admiration of all thinking people.

This cat wishes you all the best, that is peace, dignity and health. As long as people like you exist, there is hope.

If Canadian/Mexican terrorists did to Americans what Palestinian terrorists did to Israelis, Canada/Mexico would shine in the dark!

it's true. israel is done. this jewish publication won't post my commments because they speak the truth. the solution is killing the muslims until they change. maybe nuke is the word that offends this bogus jewish newspaper. get used to it. your getting a nuke up your fake jewish ass! the same left wing idiots we have here in the states have took over this newspaper.the holy land is done. maybe thats why so many americans say cut funding to israel. we don't need them to kill muslims.the very building this newspaper sits in probably came from my taxes!haaretz needs to clean out the traders now! israel is too tiny to have traders in the nation. they'll probably post this one because it's more in line with the enemy.PATHETIC! bye bye israel. Die with your muslim cousins.maybe we should let you get nuked. thats an excuse to drop MUSHROOMS over the middle east. no more tax money to israel,no more muslims. UTOPIA.

Lars Hansen is dead on these two issues first Israelis seem to love bashing the Arabs and keeping them in their place. Hence leaders score points by being ruth- killers. Secondly, nothing unites Israelis like blood. Thus sarcificing a few here and there becomes necessary to keep that bond together. It all makes perfect sense. The only trouble is this brutality doesn't play with the Westernand civilized world. Dutch

Like "have you stopped beating your wife yet," I think the question is flawed. Israel has provided water, electricity, access to medical care and education way beyond anything the palestian Arabs had under Arab rule. You mention sewage. Israel has been giving tons of money to the PA for the PA to build and improve the sewage system. However, the PA chose to use the money on other things. And then, some Arabs were stealing the sand buttressing the sewage containment. Like those who steal bricks and have the building collapse...

It might take 50 years of education - and I think education is the only thing that will work - but 50 years goes quickly once it starts. Much success to you and your's in getting this started. If there are ways for others of us to help - post it everywhere so we can join in. Including getting the US to support initatives. Interestingly, it took about 50 years per country in Europe from when the intellectuals started talking about it, until the people absorbed it, for each one to overthrow their monarchies and form democracies. With people like you living there it gives hope & it really what we (the rest of us) all want for the Palestinians - not this horror or a constant excuse to blame Palestianians for the extremism.

There's missiles into Sderot. "The IDF spokeswoman said soldiers had carried out a routine raid about 1 kilometer inside Gaza to search for militants." There's no need for twisted political rational. There's a war on and they are trolling for weapons pointed at their civilians. Stop giving them something to defend against & they'll stop their security operations - that's not occupation. Furthermore, the political twists are so Arab culture so they are a natural explanation in Arab cultural world, but they aren't Jewish culture. That's the source of you're misinformation.

Israel uses them for self-defense. Because it's less violent than "brutal destruction" of people. Kudos to Israel for finding yet another way to defend itself with less brutal and less lethal methods than any other country or peoples would use. Using the words "brutal destruction" for bulldozing is a blantant misuse of the word brutal. And what they are bulldozing are military factories - that the miltary people happen to also live in.

Lars quick go and consult with a psychiatrist you need your head examined pretty quickly. No time to waste,your mind is sick and awandering..

In saying ?can anyone name ONE PROJECT that the occupying Zionists built in the occupied territories for the benefit of the Palestinians? Nd you went on to enumerating them which absolutely true. One thing that comes to mind is that the Gazans would be dead in the ?water ? so to speak as an example if it wasn?t for the ?grid?in Ashkelon that supplies electricity not only for our people,but for the Palis as well,and the various people here not only forgets,but dismiss it out of hand! Another reminder is the state of affairs after your numerous data concerning the projects and help they received,once our settlers left the condition of the ?sewerage?has been in dire straits owing to their neglect.In lieu of continuing with the work done by Israel look at it now? People here are just deaf and dumb and do not either want to hear,or know truth. That we must constantly remind them becomes futile because their ?raison d?etre?is the denigration of Israel no matter how much we help and commit ourselves for them. Waste of precious breath Wiliam.

Mickey was killed by an Israeli soldier to get rid of the PR weapon they'd handed Israeli with his existence. Great term (or something like it). Keep using it!!! That will do wonders for keep that piece of truth in people's consciousness. They've learned how to use nonsense turn-around-terms to generate PR. We definitely should too, when they are truthful!

If the IDF put down their weapons, these armed Palestinians would be in Israel killing civilians. If the armed Palestinians put down their weapons...this incident wouldn't have started in the first place. One is an attack group aimed at civilians & a country. The other is a defense group protecting citizens. Calling the IDF terrorist is copy-cat behavior, and transparent. When you can't defend your motives - accuse the other side of being what you are. Only sad, hateful or is it just simply non-thoughtful people who notice the hate generated within them by buying into this & fight back the hate.

Indra I am a bit at a loss as to which "Rallies"you are refering.Did I miss it along the way? If you can illucidate,perhaps I can understand. Were there "Rallies"by the Pals,is that what you are refering? If so,and you advokate bombing them(hey,just reread your last line)You meant the terrorists of course. Well,you see Israel operates with a view of the "human rights"convention and as such desists in such behaviour,more's the pity I say! There is not much between one of their parties,sects,clans tribes families etc. They are the same side of the coin! If it was up to me I'd do what you recommend without hesitation. Hope all's well in India

The world - and the Palestinian public - needs more people like you to speak out. The greatest enemy facing all progressive societies is their own ignorant or hypocritical citizens. If people like Dutch and C-Fool (and lakshmi) will ever wake up it will be people more connected to THEIR pet causes to explain to them why their suggestions will only subvert, not promote, their cause. Dutch, for example, says she supports the "just and lawful" rights of the Palestinians. So explain to her how Hamas threaten women's rights and how a Hamasgovernment will not conduce to the benefit of the rights of average Palestinians. She won't believe it from an American, but maybe from a Gazan? Then again, c-fool may just call YOU an Uncle Tom... Ignore him.

At least we agree on the principle that the French authorities gave Shebaa to Lebanon. If there is no agreement between Syria and Lebanon, the border drawn by the French should be the legal border. The more so because annexation is condemned by the UN (see the Golan and East Jerusalem). BTW, I have a large Syrian map (all in Arabic), and it is not clear on this map on which side the Shebaa farms are - they seem to be right on the border !

Thanks for the mostly-lucid response. But there was one confusing thing. When you wrote: "Yes, I wouldn't protest the sharia law and abuses to women," am I right that you really meant to write "Yes, I WOULD protest..." those things? BTW, I loved your 'things have a way of working themselves out' line. Really hope this is one of them. Free everybody! Peace.

Muhammed Muhammed, it is not only Hamas,but the whole mindset of the Islamic fundamentalism that is causing this state of affairs. We know Hamas like Hizbullah are the puppets of Iran and their ideology is not only corrupt,but also being permeated throughout the world as we are witnessing it every day. Lucky that you had the advantage of an education in the US. Did it take you all this long time to realise the problem? It is not only this Dutch/Doris( from the U.S by the way)who day after day try to promote their views which is in a totality not helful in any way. Just spouting nonsense that does not help at all,bar making things even worse. Then there is stupid Clickfool,well ensconsed in England and can spout verbiage all the time without any justification. And they are not the only ones.Endless so-called well meaning respondents here who follow this intractable subject and blame Israel for the misfortunes that have caused your people to suffer even more. When you say your people have not the capacity is, you are wrong. If they so wished they can do a great many good things to change, and ameliorate their situation. 50 years? Hell no! It will take even longer than that if they pursue in the same vein Muhammed. No one in their right mind would think that Israel enjoys having constantly to be vigilant by trying to protect its citizens from being attacked every day by those rockets which does not leave room to manoeuvre to our leaders to try and have a decent partner for peace. Be it Fatah or the many tribes,clans and influential families who rule the roost over there. A very messy business and getting worse by the day. What is appalling when people say the Palis are starving when we see that is not so,judging by their well nourished bodies and could even be said,need to go a diet. Do you agree or not. I have yet to see an undernourished Arab in Gaza or Ramallah. Fact is Muhammed your people have made themselves dependent for decades on the good will through outside bodies,rather than getting down and work for the benefit of their people and become an independent country.You witnessed the Gaza incident when they destroyed the Hot Houses donated by a good Jew,and instead of benefiting from the utilities and infrastrutures turned it into a launching pad for their kassams. Their twisted mentality has no bounds,sorry to say. We know it, so do you. It is a big drama and a self inflicted phenomenon. Why is it that there are not many more people like yourself who could possibly make a difference and promote the views you have pointed out here? If you don?t mind my asking how long have you been in the U.S? Or are you living in the territories? Just curious. Shalom/Salam

Muhammed Muhammed, it is not only Hamas,but the whole mindset of the Islamic fundamentalism that is causing this state of affairs. We know Hamas like Hizbullah are the puppets of Iran and their ideology is not only corrupt,but also being permeated throughout the world as we are witnessing it every day. Lucky that you had the advantage of an education in the US. Did it take you all this long time to realise the problem? It is not only this Dutch/Doris( from the U.S by the way)who day after day try to promote their views which is in a totality not helful in any way. Just spouting nonsense that does not help at all,bar making things even worse. Then there is stupid Clickfool,well ensconsed in England and can spout verbiage all the time without any justification. And they are not the only ones.Endless so-called well meaning respondents here who follow this intractable subject and blame Israel for the misfortunes that have caused your people to suffer even more. When you say your people have not the capacity is, you are wrong. If they so wished they can do a great many good things to change, and ameliorate their situation. 50 years? Hell no! It will take even longer than that if they pursue in the same vein Muhammed. No one in their right mind would think that Israel enjoys having constantly to be vigilant by trying to protect its citizens from being attacked every day by those rockets which does not leave room to manoeuvre to our leaders to try and have a decent partner for peace. Be it Fatah or the many tribes,clans and influential families who rule the roost over there. A very messy business and getting worse by the day. What is appalling when people say the Palis are starving when we see that is not so,judging by their well nourished bodies and could even be said,need to go a diet. Do you agree or not. I have yet to see an undernourished Arab in Gaza or Ramallah. Fact is Muhammed your people have made themselves dependent for decades on the good will through outside bodies,rather than getting down and work for the benefit of their people and become an independent country.You witnessed the Gaza incident when they destroyed the Hot Houses donated by a good Jew,and instead of benefiting from the utilities and infrastrutures turned it into a launching pad for their kassams. Their twisted mentality has no bounds,sorry to say. We know it, so do you. It is a big drama and a self inflicted phenomenon. Why is it that there are not many more people like yourself who could possibly make a difference and promote the views you have pointed out here? If you don?t mind my asking how long have you been in the U.S? Or are you living in the territories? Just curious. Shalom/Salam

William After all the benefits you mentioned in your response which goes without saying,then what happened when we ceded Gaza and the mess they created after our good settlers left and we now witness their sewrage in such desrepair,because they prefer to defer taking care of the benefit,and consentrate on their weaponry and attacks on our citizens instead. People here seem to forget that without the supply of eletricity they get through the "grid" from Ashkelon,they'd be dead and gone.The cynical interpretation of the Islamic folowers here like the lakshmis,Clickfool,Marilyns,Moureen Ann,and countles others bear reminding them.I don't know who made the statement and thus your reply. Isn't it strange how they show their ignorance? But,they must be told and learn the truth,rather than make false accusations that does not bear even replying.That they must be reminded behoves us to counter it because we have nothing to hide.Let them visit and see...

The footage of the cameraman being shot can be found on You-tube. ...The IDF really needs to keep people from filming its operations. That won't do at all. Seriously, Israel-lovers should avoid seeing this film at all costs. Keep those eyes closed tightly.

11 dead hamas is good, 100 is better. IDF will get much more respect from the enemies and friends when the rate of enemie casulaties will be 10 fold. Why not send undercover force and when the see a terrorist (we all know how one looks: masked with a gun) in the open - shoot to kill. Terrorists will be afraid to go on the streets. This will disarm lots of them - some through being afraid to show up on the streets, others shot by IDF. Great operation IDF - please be safe!!!

These 'rallies' are open air terrorist gatherings. Thank the participants for emerging from under their rocks and bomb them.

Do you know that Syrian troops this week crossed the border and are three kms into Lebanese soil? Why? Do you have anything to say about that? Or is that okay with you?

If you are Dutch than I am a Marcian. Dutch, especially after your brother sadistically killed one of theirs, Van Gogh, barelly tollerate moderate muslims, never mind pal's/maniacs suiciders. So the Europian borders will be shoot for this merderous garbage. But overall as the saying goes, Europe got rid of Jews, who strived for live, who were unimagenably creative in every walk of live: science, literature, music, medical science, etc, etc..., and what they got instead, that beutifull muslim ideology: love of death in the name of alla, do not live and don't let live the others and the burning desire to make Europe muslim as well. Ecellent achievement, Europe, cogratilation....

what do you know about us?When Iran had a terrible earthquake who offered aid,rescure equipment and rescue teams to help?We did of course the Iranians would never except help from us they would rather die.The Turks did however when they had a bad earthquake we pulled out there survivors and dead.Is this not charitable? Dutch why is such an antisemite as yourself blogging here isnt there an neo nazi or extremist muslim website for you to blog on?Did you ever think of what would happen to you if you were seen walking the streets of Gaza city or Bagdad,cause my guess is millions would watch your crude beheading and well my guess is they would blame it on us.Dutch you are a moron and you know nothing about the real world.nothing!

Records actually show that Jews are the most philanthropic people on earth. The Jewish Agency and the JDC, both funded by gifts from Jews in the US, Canada, Australia, Europe, UK, etc, each distribute tens of millions of dollars every single year to programs for Arabs in Israel and, in some cases, even into the territories. There are university scholarships; sports programs; shelters for abused women. Anyone can see the list of programs helping Arab populations at JAFI.org.il. Once again, Dutch, you are lying through your teeth and now, the rest of this forum knows it.

"Can anyone name ONE PROJECT that the occupying zionists built in the occupied territories for the benefit of the Palestinians?" I can name several - When Israel took control of the West Bank and Gaza in 1967 - it offered it up for peace. Since it was rejected, it assumed the civilian control of the region. Israel updated some road systems in the region. They updated phone and power systems, which are partially connected to Israel's Bezeq company (where the Jordanian lines were old and deteriorating). Israel connected numerous Pal cities to a clean water supply to disuage the digging of more wells which contaminate underground water. (This already happened in Gaza). Israel offered to build (and pay for) many gaza high rises in the 1980's, only to be rejected by the PLO. Israel continues to offer agricultural advice to Pals. Israel's quick qork helped Pals stave Mad Cow Disease and a scourge of locusts in 2005. Not to mention the gas, electricity, and water to Gaza!

Israel had nothing to do with that. How dare you?

CHANAH: Proving things to blind and deaf people like David Lurch and "Patriot" and the "brown shirt" moron, Ewing, will just lead to frustration. They have no interest in truth or reality or fault. Their mantra is simple: Israel bad; Hamas good. Nothing you will write will change a single memory cell in their empty and brainwashed minds. They are the beneficiaries of what someone once and, rather perfectly called a "smattering of ignorance" and that is all they care to know. My respect to you for trying and for fighting the good fight. Just keep in mind that amoral people can't discern right from wrong. They only know what they know.

I looked further into the issue and found an excellent piece written by Dr. Joseph Hitti, President of New England Americans for Lebanon. 1) The French gave Shaaba to Lebanon in 1923. 2) In 1956, Syria annexed Shaaba Farms after killing 2 Lebanese policemen, and Lebanon govt never challenged it. When speaking of annexation, this should be considered an illegal act by Syria. 3) Syria constantly brings into question the sovereignty of Lebanon, even by acts today in assisting Hizbollah, Fatah al-Islam, and closing border crossings. 4) Since the land was annexed by Syria in 1956, when Israel took it in 1967 it was therefore Syrian and is not possible to return to Lebanon. It's just not legal to do so and this is where Israel and the UN are correct! The only way to resolve this is a written assertion that Syria illegally annexed the land, that it IS Lebanese, and that it supports Lebanon's sovereignty. Givin way to disarming Hizbollah, and Israeli withdraw.

Since they don't have football matches, cinema, theatre, operas, concerts and the like, they turn out en masse for funerals. Well, I hope Israel continues to provide them with much entertainment.

It's rare to read such directness from a Palestinian. One sincerely hopes you are real and not like so many of the fakes who get through here, stupidly calling themselves Rachel C or Farkelsteinman (thinking that'll anger Jews). I am assuming you are because your comments make great sense. As to addressing them to Dutch and Clickfool; well, Mohammed, you'd probably be better off talking to two stones. Clickfool and Dutch are not interested in the fate of your people. Clickfool uses them as a way to get at the Jews and Dutch has become such an idealogue that "resistance" triumphs at all costs ...even if that cost includes the legitimate wishes of Palestinians to stop living under the guns of masked murderers who call themselves Godly. I wish you peace and hope and pray that,one day soon, you will be able to have all the opportunities you deserve for a good life.

there will never be a Pal state, except an Hamasland in Gaza.

Patriot, Israelis lack of charity to towards non-Jews disturbs my sense of charity as feel it is terribly wrong to exclude others . Especially, when one considers how Americans and other people around the world have showered them with their generosity. It seems so unkind to be withholding towards others. People are counting on us to help improve their lot in this life- and we must not let them down --whether they be in our own backyards, down the road or across the great oceans. We must deliver! It's our earthly responsibility--I feel. Dutch

I seem to recall that several weeks ago, while Hamas was on a high "purging" Gaza of "quislings and traitors". they attacked a jeep with Fatah soldiers. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/859833.html "Sources said the vehicle overturned and the Hamas gunmen approached and executed the wounded at close range. "It was unbelievable. May God help us," said an eyewitness working in a nearby factory." Where was your outrage then? You're all a bunch of hollow hypocrates.

That says a lot.

You should have reallized by now that it was not Israel targeting the wounded guy holding a camera (had he been a journalist he would have had press markings, wouldn't he?). He was a Hamasnik serving his fellow terrorists. Whatever the case, and although he may have been wounded initially by the IDF, there is no proof of who shot him thereafter. There is proof, however, that when Hamas terrorists attacked Fatah soldiers in their jeep near the border several weeks back, that the Hamas terrorists first shot at the jeep and then aproachedd it, putting bullets through the heads of those that were still alive. Everybody has apparently forgotten this.

Lynn, Well, It seems what Abraham Lincoln said is alive and well. Yes, Israel can fool many Americans but it cannot fool them ALL and that is where Israel is losing ground under itself. Those who know better about Israel are determined in their will to make it more accountable for its actions and unlawful- ness towards its neighbors. Remember, the revolution wasn't started by the majority but by the minority and I believe that can be shown throughout our human history. Indeed, I am predicting another peoples' revolution and those hard liners in Israel, the US, France, Russian and China will be the first to go. People want a more sensitive and a more re- sponsible world and they will win as Gandhi notes below. Dutch P.S. "When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall - think of it, ALWAYS." Mahatma Gandhi

Dutch gets paid for every posting she mails in so she is in good shape as she posts the same thing over and over. As for Clickfool he definitely will need funds in case he gets sick and will need medical care by the NHS which seems to recruit cheap doctors that prefer to kill and maim than to heal.

Why would the IDF target a wounded journalist? He wasn't threatening anybody, he was lying still while getting targeted by IDF snipers. I am a friend of Israel, but not friendly to this kind of actions. Now investigate and try the sniper, if he followed orders OK, but if he broke orders then it's not OK.

148Thomas Hamas must be collaborating with Israel by continuing launching Kassams to justify your alleged Israeli plan: 'The raids are now escalating in intensity and are intended to prepare the Israeli and American publics for massive incursions soon to follow, along lines of what happened in mid-2006.'

Some have and there are more to come but they are very slow to figure it out. The arabist apologists are beyond realizing but then again they have nothing invested in the situation. Who cares how many people attended funerals or whether they are called militants or terrorists? Whether it's 11 or 110 or 1100 or 11000 it's all in the control of the Arabs. The Arabs have almost always chosen a fist instead of a hand offered and they bear the fruit of their choices. Boo Hoo I feel so sorry about the death of these guys who belong to a constituency that refuses to accept the Jewish State of Israel and continue to attack her. If they had any balls in gaza they'd rally against the "war" that their "leaders" wage, but they don't. It's so much easier to mope and whine and cry, even easier to hurl empty rhetoric. echpat li??

"Their pre-sence have brought nothing but trouble for the Palestinian people for the last 40 years." Well too bad for the palestinians they should have realized that before they attacked israel with hopes of murdering all of them and got beaten badly in war. Hinesight is always 20/20 i guess

Pals had no universities and hospitals prior to 1967 - Israel had built them. There were - and still are - common industrial zones designed to employ Israelis and Palestinian Arabs. They were quite functioning before intifadah. Even today Israel supplies water and electricity to Gaza. And this is just a partial list...

None, all they do is sit in the darkness and curse the Israelies.

The amnesiac anti-Semites who wish Israel to keep taking civilian casualties indefinitely have forgotten that it was Hamas that called off the truce and Hamas that encouraged, explicitly, with a big public announcement, Islamic Jihad to keep up rocket attacks, and Hamas's gunmen, who rushed to defend Islamic Jihad from the IDF. The IDF's actions are morally justified.

treated the same way as Rachel and her people treat Indians in her country?

Question: Don't you mean nine terrorists & terrorist groups?

To Dutch and Clikckfool, I am one of the opressed arabs living under the terrible conditions here is Gaza and I don't blame Israel I wish they would return.Hamas doesn't want peace and never will they dont want law and order either they want to continue the struggle and the last thing they want ever is there own state unless it is in all of Israel and they never will get that,so you can forget about legitimizing them they won the elections on the promise of reforms and making our lives better they have not delivered .Us palestinians don't have the capacity to rule ourselves being educated in the US I have come to realise that my people are forever confronted with an extremist element so engrained that it would take 50 years of education reform to change ourselves this willnot happen we desreve to be locked up /I hate to say it but being trapped here in gaza is the doing of my own people and it hurts but I can't blame israel they do what they can to protect there own unlike us.

Can you tell me ONE project the Palestinian leaders built in the territories for the Palestinians - with the billions that were poured in by the EU and the USA for this purpose. All the Palestinian universities were built under Israeli rule. The post natal mortality rate dropped to almost nil under Israeli rule. Israel brought health services and clinics to the West Bank and Gaza (and they were not funded by foreign investments). And Palestinians had free access to all israeli hospitals. The Palestinians thrived economically under Israeli rule - anyone will attest to that. I happen to know from personal experience that many projects initiated by Israel (eg: aadvanced irrigation and farming methods) were rejected by the Palestinian authority, because if their situation improved, they would get less world sympathy. Hundreds of similar stories. So tell me, what has the Palestinian leadership done to IMPROve the miserable lot of their people?

85% of Americans support Israel and despise Hamas aggression. 24% of American Muslims feel suicide/homicide bombings are acceptable. YOU rae a very sick person.

Haniyeh has it wrong. When you launch Quassams at Israel, you will get a response and Hamas Militants will be killed. Sadly its a vicious cycle that the Hamas Militants have a problem understanding.The cameraman shot may have not even been a cameraman just sone lunatic for Pallywood and propaganda against israel. He didn't wear a vest saying press, he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.He could have used a telephoto lens.For all who post here it could have even been the Hamas Militants that were shooting this guy becuase they released a film of him being shot. Islamic Jihad and Hamas militants were laying mines and shooting at Iisraeli's. These militant will get a response and that response is saying it's time to move back to where you came from We Israeli's don't want you in the neighborhood.

Meanwhile in the DR of Congo the French air force are bombing the hell out of civilians. Who are you to call anyone scum?

Hamas abducted Johnson in the first place - a crime in itself. And now that Blair is coming to the mideast, they could not afford to hold him any longer. Do you think Hamas will arrest those who captured him - it was a crime you know.? So now they are the good guys becasue they freed him - and people like you fall for it hook line and sinker.

Is it true, my learned friend, that Hamas constitution states that there can never be peace with Israel, that Israel must be destroyed, and that Islam must triumph? Or so I have heard

According to polls taken, majority of Palestinian population would prefer NEW elections and want Hamas out. So your point is moot.

The word anti-Semite was not coined by either Jews or Israelis, but in Europe (read and you will learn something) and although Arabs are also semites , the word anti-Semite means a Jew hater - look in any reliable dictionary. A compound noun or adjactive does not necessarily mean the sum of the meanting of each part of the word - for example, an eggplant is not a plant that grows eggs. Anyone with the tiniest bit of knowledge about linguisitics or the development of language know this to be true. The quote about "driving the Jews into the sea" by Arab leaders in 1948 and 1967 is well recorded and all you need to do is look for the sources. However, my point was using words like massacre" which means the wholesale murder of unarmed masses (darfur, Rwanda, Holocaust) being used to describe a few casualties of a battle between two armed sides is an intentional attempt to mislead the reader as to the facts. Using "ethnic cleansing" when the said population is growing is a blatant lie, etc.

Nice picture you painted there, Johnboy, glad you enjoyed your holiday. Welcome back.

I expected at least some of the posters here would condemn that brutal, plain act of their 'chosen army', but nay! They are so happy at the shooting of an unarmed, wounded civilian that they must be jumping for joy. That clearly shows what the value of a palestinian's life means to the majority of Israelis. Anyway, sooner or later, you will definitely pay back for the blood of the innocent you have spillt for decades. F

Can anyone name ONE PROJECT that the occupying zionists built in the occupied territories for the benefit of the Palestinians?... Here is a challenge.

Palestinians the same way Americans treated the Indians in the 1800's?

"Rachel Corrie tripped", "Captain "R" is a great man", "The family on the beach must have stepped on a Hammas mine", "Mohammed Al-Dua was a terrorist", "He wasn't a cameraman" etc. I'm sure it makes you feel better, but ponder this, what if it is all untrue, what if you have become a ruthless occupier that have sold your souls to the devil, supported by what can only be described, after having the read the post here at least, by the worse scum imaginable.

Efox: "Then they are accomplices. Cut Them Down." I believe the International Red Cross would read such a statement, shake their head in sorrow, and then try to put such opinions to the back of their mind next time they respond to a scene of violence. If he was armed (and the photo provides no evidence of this) he was surely wounded at a scene of "combat", not of "terror". Even if he was armed, he is entitled to medical aid when he becomes "hors de combat". And the people providing that aid do not loose their protection under both the Hague Regulations and the Geneva Conventions when they provide that aid. Would you also suggest that a settler looses his protection under int'l law if he comes to the assistance of a wounded IDF soldier in, say, Hebron?

Shimon, Jews moving into the Palestinian territories are not legal Israeli residents and Israel can't make them legal either. The Palestinian people have every right under International law to kick them out and this isn't 1948 anymore. Hence people from around the world will gladly help the Palestinian people kick the illegal Israelis out! No question about it. Their pre-sence have brought nothing but trouble for the Palestinian people for the last 40 years. Dutch

Larry, It seems to me you maybe the real ding bat in Toronto soaking up Israeli propaganda, It is the Israelis who have brought turmoil to the Middle East since they came in 1948 with their land aggression and war mongering. The Palestinian people have always lived in peace with their neighbors for hundreds of years it was only when the Zionist came and wanted to make themseves lords and masters of their land were they forced into resistance. Hence Israeli aggression has been an on going factor as I see no more support for them throughout the world for staying in the ME. I predict they will be either kicked out or bombed out of the ME if they don't stop this evil aggression against the Palestinian people. Israelis are wrong to sit and watch this happen. Some day they will be the refugees in the ME and the world's sympathy for them will be gone. Already a sizeable number of Americans won't support Israel anymore & the young people are turned off by its roughness.

Been up to Cairns for a week to escape the cold and the wind. Sun, sea, coral reefs, and rainforest. Beauuuuutiful.

First they take over Gaza because Fatah is trying to make peace with Israel, they don't mind shooting their own people for that. Second the Qassam rockets re-start. The discourse about eliminating Israel is stronger than ever and they pose as heroes to their people. Israel goes to destroy Qassam launchers there is a gun battle they get their asses kicked, arrange a publicity stunt of killing a reporter (a "miraculous" coincidence right after a Alan Johnston was relaeased). There you go: cry baby time... It's just retard really, they play for their own public, no one buys this in the civilized world anymore. The PR weapon is outdated, qassams are inefective. In their desperation to get recognition and some political weight they are doing one idiotic thing after another.

"The IDF spokeswoman said soldiers had carried out a routine raid about 1 kilometer inside Gaza to search for militants." (Ha'aretz) "What does it mean a routine read? This proves that Gaza is still under Israel occupation." (Palestinian) I was thinking the same thing. Such raids have become all too routine to the IDF, and familiar for the Palestinians and for us. The raids are now escalating in intensity and are intended to prepare the Israeli and American publics for massive incursions soon to follow, along lines of what happened in mid-2006. The objectives are to severely weaken Hamas and to punish the Gazans to the point (in the wet dreams of the Israeli government) that they will shift their support to the compromised Fatah.

A large number of women and children are being held hostage by armed men in room," Khan told a news conference, adding that the brother of the captured cleric was hiding in the basement of an attached madrasa with 25 "women hostages." "Yes, they're using them as human shields, because the people who have come out, they told us that they're telling women and children not to worry because as long as you're here forces will not attack us," he said. (Yahoo News on Red Mosque in Pakistan) We are so proud as extremists that we are always willing to allow our women and children to die first as human shield. I am really ashame!!!

...We have enough of Indra... Don't rush to judge. You will miss me. NB: I have never mix religion in my comment. It was Farid who did that to me.

who always mix religion in his comment here. He never fail to amaze us with his lies. Now we want to hear more from people like Farid of Mexico with reasonable and logical view about the Israel/Pals issue.

Hello Johnboy, Been following your posts for quite some time. You deffinately are one of my favourites here. Keep posting, Johnboy. Cheers, from Sydney.

Is to give proof that the Shebaa Farms are Lebanese , and to state that Rachel Corrie should be left to rest in peace, to be anti-semitic ? Come on !

It is a long story that goes back to the French mandate. I read it some time ago in a French publication.1) The mandate authorities in Beirut gave the Farms to Syria, 2) The local commander from the French army in the field decided otherwise and put border markers that made the Farms Lebanese. 3) The mandate authorities never reversed that decision - it was not important to them. That is why land deeds after that period were issued by Lebanon, etc. Syrian President has repeatedly said that new maps will be issued and the border delineated after the Israeli withdrawal - with the Farms being Lebanese. I think Bachir Al Assad is sincere on that. The subject is now a "cause nationale" in Lebanon, and a reason for Hizbullah to state that Israeli occupation of Lebanon is not over. If Israel admits the Farms are Lebanese, then it admits that Hizbullah is right. It is just as simple. Why does the UN and the US side with Israel ? You guess. Lebanon will never make peace with Israel until then.

show the world you practice what you preach.

smuggling tunnel . It was therefore used for war purposes

Mohammed Siam will be missed by many in Gaza. He was known to stand in the middle of a field, day or night, rain or shine, and command the lower-ranks to kill Israelis. A true Hamas field commander.

survivors for help to fight Israel. Sure Hamas can count on them to fight Israel.The same Israel that is feeding Pal. people because Hamas is not able to give Palestinians nothing except poverty, death, terror and Farfur.More than 74% of Palestinians want new elections to rid of Hamas and send those murderers of Palestinian sons to the trash bin of history for their crimes against own people and for innability to improve the lives of those who elected them yet Hamas asks them for help.Let's see how big is Palestinian love for Hamas and how many of them are ready to die in Hamas idiotic war against Israel.Let's see....

First their wannabe cameraman didn't do his job properly and was APPARENTLY shot by IDF and is in critical condition in hospital then another Hamas fighter posing as civilian was wounded in gun battle without any visible wounds.APPARENTLY Hamas propagandists forgot to spill some ketchup on his clothes to drimatise this picture of Israeli carnage of unarmed Palestinian civilians.This picture above reminds me a scene from You Tube where a Palestinian civilian seriously wounded by IDF in a gun fight with Hamas and trasported by his collegues suddenly jumped on his feet and run for his live when IDF jeeps appeared on the scene....

So you dont have an explination for hebron 1929??? (which came first by the way)???? Nothin???...thought so.

So let me get this straight, jews moving into a country legally gives arabs full right to murder them?!?!? You need seriuous help.

Every now and then you do come across with some sanity and the tone of your last two posts makes you a better advocate (I think) than the all-to-frequent one side is all bad tack you often take. I still believe you are far too biased and don't recollect you taking Hamas to task for its violence against innocent Jews is parts of Israel that are not now and never were "occupied". I will always respectfully agree to disagree with a tough debater who makes and backs up her or his points. But, I will always point out, with as much vigor as my use of the language permits me, the point where the line gets crossed from advocacy or argument to bigotry or hate. That changes the playing field.

Everyone feel safer now?

You are most kind, Sir, and your words are appreciated. I am not a great student of Jewish history but I guess I've been an observer of the Middle East for quite some time. I have been fortunate to know wonderful Israelis and Palestinians and I have always believed that the greatest obstacle to peace has not been the Occupation but the Arabs' refusal to assume any responsibility for it at all. Israel did not fight the Palestinians in 1967 and did not gain the territory from them. Yet the Arab league would hold Israel solely and wholly responsible for its own failure and its abandonment of the Palestinians. This perspective has trouble battling the doctrinaire Israel bashers but I believe it's right. I think peace would have come long ago and still could with just marginal Arab compromise. It's not complicated; just untried.

I happen to have palestinian friends who think and reason intelligently like Farid. Frankly, the Talkback feature in Haaretz has become a channel to fuel hatred from extremists, bigots and anti-semites (the list is getting longer every day). If I had the means I would buy the Haaretz paper and fire those responsible for this filth called TALKBACK that only serves to promote the worst sentiments of human nature wihtout changing a single iota to the tragic situation in the middle east.

Efox: "the origin of the gunfire cannot be confirmed" Bullets do not have return addresses marked on them, Efox, nor do snipers put their signature on each and every one. Efox: "He was probably a professional propagandist anyway." Yeah, and he probably just...fell...on the bullets, didn't he? Care to explain the difference between a "professional propagandist" and, say, a reporter working in Rupert Murdoch's media empire? The video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYE8h_r6TqE He's not being hit by crossfire, Efox; he's being hit by deliberate sniper fire. While lying on the ground. While wounded. While unarmed. Twice. From the same direction. The same sniper, Efox, having a bit of target practice at a man who is both unarmed and already seriously wounded. Go have a look at it, and then come back and justify what you have just seen.

Israelis? In fact where are you when Arabs slaughter each other? You don't give a damn do you about any injuries or deaths that you cannot use for your agenda.

Well, redmike, a "terrorist" is someone who uses weapons to strike "terror" into a civilian population in order to further some political agenda. A "militant" is someone who takes up arms and fights. Now, this article says that the IDF entered into Gazan territory looking for trouble. And they found it; Hamas took exception to the IDF sending soldiers onto it's area of operation, and sent armed fighters out to challenge that military presence. So.....faced with that fact, redmike, you'd have to say that the Hamas response was that of "militants" and not of "terrorists". Or are you *really* trying to claim that clashing with IDF SOLDIERS who have moved aggressively onto YOUR area of operation constitutes an act of TERRORISM????? If you do, then I can only suggest that your definition of "terrorism" is in error..... Haaretz has its terminology quite correct, and it is YOU who cannot see past your own propaganda.

He was talking about all the Arabian Doctors who set themselves on Fire to Punch people.

You mean there was another one carefully positioned to get the best shot so they could put this well planned picture, with a yet unconfirmed source of fire, on the front page.

Goebbels was a Journalist too.

Then they are accomplices. Cut Them Down.

Way to harp on with the unconfirmable reporting. He was probably a professional propagandist anyway.

You raise an interesting point. But, you may be unaware of something critical. Israel had withdrawn. There was no Israeli presence or incursions. THEN Gaza began shelling and firing missiles and rockets into Israel. THEN they tunneled into Israel and kidnapped an Israeli. AFTER that, Israel began regular incursions again. So, you are right that there are similarities. Arabs began shelling/firing rockets into Israel provoking an Israeli invasion. No Arab attacks = no need or justification for any Israeli incursions.

Somewhere in this column someone wrote that Muslims are not supposed to fire on or shoot at other Muslims. Who made these rules?? Allah?? I find it strange that the killing goes on between Muslims in Iraq, went on between Iran and Iraq for 10 bloody years. Now it went on between Hamas and Fatah. So much so that Hamas were firing on Palestinian civilians marching against the violence in the streets. How can any intelligent Israeli believe that they can make peace with gangsters and thugs that interpret their religion in such an insane way that they kill each other daily. All this killing has nothing whatsoever to do with Israel or Jews. You guys just can't get along with anyone can you??? Now the doctors of the U.K. are operating Terrorist activities. I think all civilized people should boycott British Doctors!!!!!!!

Brant, Of course , I always find plenty of truth in what you say even if you or Israel have twisted it (though you not intentionally). Surely. the real problem here is not Israel right to exist but the Palestinian peoples' right to exist and their lawful rights under international law. That to me is the overriding factor I can't back down on this and neither will the Palestinian people. So let's accept that right up front. Plus the 14 justices on the ICJ panel are not wrong--Israel is the offender. I see no problem with the Arabs and Hamas accept- ing Israel if it returns to the internationally recognized GL. Thus there is a price Israel must pay for legitimacy and that's the recognition of their neighbors rights too at the GL. Dutch P.S. i would love to tone down my outrage-please tell Israel to stop killing Palestinians . That should do it.

Palestinian Hamas Fatah Al Qaeda Tactics Handbook. Rule number 1. Where possible steal israeli military uniforms and pose as Israeli soldiers. Where possible shoot at your own people with stolen Israeli weapons to make it look like the IDF fired on "innocent" civilians. Don't wear any identification so as to trick IDF soldiers into thinking you are a civilian so you can shoot them in the head and get away with it. Best rule ever!!! Hide your terrorist buddies inside an ambulance packed with explosives and ram an Israeli checkpoint. Lets see in the face of this type of activity would any soldier of any army in the world act any differently??? Why should Israel tolerate missile launches by terrorists onto israeli soil?? Would any country?? NO NO NO!!! Wake up and get with reality.

I cannot believe Fatah denounces the elimination of Hamas Terrorists that they themselves fought and lost against... once again making Israel the bad guy. SHAME ON YOU ABU MAZEN!! I guess my hopes were higher than reality.

" THE DEMOCRATIC WILL OF THE "PALESTINE PEOPLE " DORIS THEY HAVE NONE AND HAVE NEVER HAD ONE ! A CHOICE BETWEEN TERRORISTS A AND B IS NOT DEMOCRATIC! NOR DO THE ARABS HAVE ANY RIGHTS TO BE RECOGNISED !!

There is no evidence whatsoever about who shot the Hamas propaganda guy and his cam off and if at all - why does Haaretz ( = Al Jazeera?) spread unproven "facts"? Gotta call the police on this one, sorry!

Oh Doris the Dingbat imposter!!! You are writing again with the half of your brain that was not destroyed by the harmless Qassams launched by your Palestinian buddies. Routine patrols are necessary Dingaling and the heavy handed pressure is necessary because you are dealing with people that can't live in peace and don't know how. They couldn't handle it in 1948 and 59 years later, they still can't conceive of doing it. Why should Israel drop its guns and not defend its people you idiot!!!! Would you????

So lets see. Your British reporter....a reporter gets abducted by wonderful nice fellows. Those same fellows don't give a rats ass that hes a reporter, or that he happens to be a Brit. However they keep him in solitary, threatening to kill him daily. They even wrap him with a bomb belt and threaten to blow him up. Suddenly, Good old John Wayne Hamas comes along and scares the Bejesus out of these thugs and lo and behold they release him. This reporter, obviously mentally flipped out by his ordeal supposedly claims Hamas has a huge law and order agenda?? People that shoot at their own civilian population for marching in the streets against internecine violence?? Where is the law and order in one group of Palestinians killing another?? You really have overdone it in the pub my friend!!!!

TELL US ALL ABOUT YOUR BRAVERY UNDER FIRE ! ABOUT ARMIES THAT DO NOT USE THEIR FIREPOWER BECAUSE IT IS UNFAIR ? YOU TWO ARE IDIOTS !

No internet in islamic Hamas Gaza, try another lie! ;-)

Well done, IDF! Get them terrorists going! ;-) Europe loves you! I wish we could do some serious staff like that ... don't give in to Islamists!

Shut up, Chet! Come home and fight, you coward!

shot him. Apparently? You people at Haaretz are pro palestinian, self hating leftist jews! You can not have evidence to support you report, but it doesn't matter: the purpose of your statement is not to report the facts of a military operation but to accuse your country!

"amongst the ranks of the ordinary people israel is perceived to be an oppressive and ruthless occupier,Israels support is fast diminishing also amongst the political and intellectual classes certainly inthe uk" Amongst the fringe UK Left this is true because they believe they can turn 1.2 billion Muslims into fellow Lefties and would gladly sell out western civilization in the hopes that their dream of world socialism might finally be realized. Ain't gonna happen Leftie .. and you're facts and figures only apply to a far out few who are unmasked each time a Hamas gentlemen throws another off a roof or drags some other political opponent from a hospital bed and shoots him in the head. DO YOU actually believe anyone in their right mind supports this? Israel is the front line in the struggle against this sort of barbarism and civilization and no matter how much you'd like to believe otherwise, the six doctors who recently tried to murder hundreds of Brits speaks says otherwise.

Israeli Soldiers continue to blow the Palestinians to smitherines while most of the readers applaude as though they are in old Rome watching the lions attack. What if the Pals put it into their heads to send the captive soldiers back home in as many pieces as there are fatalities from these routine attacks. This madness has to stop from all sides and soon. I live here in Gaza and I'm tired of the sound of unmanned armed-aircrafts buzzing around my head and I'm heart broken by the deaths and injuries caused by these routine raids. More civilians are killed and injured than the actual 'targeted' people.

These Hamas TV guys spread more hatred than any gunmen firing bullets.

I guess this border incursion is sufficient justification for the state of Gaza to start a war with rocket and aerial attacks on Israel. This is similar to the Hezbollah border incursion that started Lebanon II. There was no capture of prisioners of war in this event. There is little room left in the Israeli prisons; the prisons are full with too many Palestinian MPs.

I am sorry you and your family are victims of the terrorists Hamas. I hope that you find your way back home soon. We must work together, Muslims and Jews to destroy the radical Islamists or we will never have peace. Saalam to you and yours.

Realistic The ususl "palliwood"drama,for the "Action Camera" and here we go again... Yes,the dame T.V that showed the "farfour" mickey mouse.Same old,same old...

Oh dear.There you see a wounded,helpless so-called reporter,lying down among his terrorists poor thing I must say. What the bloody hell was he doing there when there are special long range cameras to do the work.Plus,the fact he had no such identification purported to have had.he was one of them,and as usual a staged appearance for all the world to see.But!People have become accustomed to their staged pictures,and so,just whistle in the dark and I suggest you just shut up before you make a fool of yourself,Nils or whoever you are...

YU ARE SO RIGHT GANSTER.JUST CONTINUE WITH YOUR GANSTERISM,AND ISRAEL WILL TAKE CARE OF YOU AS WELL.FEAR NOT,YOU ARE NEXT IN LINE. HOW ABOUT THAT GANGSTER EH?HAHAHAHA!!!

for help to fight Israel.Sur Hamas can count on them to fight Israel.The same Israel that is feeding Pal. people because Hamas is not able to give Palestinians nothing except powerty, death, terror and Farfur.More than 74% of Palestinians want new elections to rid of Hamas and send those murderers of Palestinian sons to the trash bin of history for their crimes against own people and for innability to improve the lives of those who elected them yet Hamas asks them for help.Let's see how big is Palestinian love for Hamas and how many of them are ready to die in Hamas idiotic war against Israel.Let's see....

for help to fight Israel.

We take off our shoes and run away as fast as we can when we see the brave Izrail at a far distance. no matter that we Arabs are 50 time the number of Yahoud we always behave the same. Only the stubid suicide bombers but on drugs by their handlers stay behind and kill themselves not understanding what they are doing.

Lakshmi, Thanks for pointing out to me the Al-Ahram column. Mossad is right on and he has been all along with Amzi Bishara. What great Arab thinkers! So insightfu! I am very disappointed to hear about Darwish's favoring Fatah, he should know bettter. Although , I liked Fatah at first and then saw they were getting no where but deepen into corruption.. Hence Hamas became a better alternative even though its line was tough but no more tougher than the Israeli hard liners, I should think, cheers Dutch

The IDF is best described as a very well equipped and trained terrorist group. Shooting civilians and journalists was less common in Iraq 10 years ago than it is now in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories. Wouldn't it be for the American support the Arab world surely react. Shame on you, IDF.

Salam hello Why and wherefore,it is the same over yonder with the lot of them.You know it,we know of it all the time.The IDF will finish them off good and proper. PEACE THROUGH VICTORY!!

I fell very offended when Israel is being compared to the nazis.

Are you sure you talking about IDF not about Americans. In Afghanistan your pilots were so afraid of Taliban that bombed Canadians and flew back to report about successful mission. In Iraq you bombed the British, couple of wedding parties, villagers trying to protect themselves of Al Qaeda, your soldiers abused prisoners, raped 14 years old girl and killed all her family. In Yugoslavia you were afraid to set your foot on the ground so you bombed Chinese embassy, ambulances, bridges, power stations and highways. I can keep on going but would you like me to?

the international community knows all about the crimes committed against the Palestinians.Today's shooting down of a camera man and shooting him twice after that is part of the IDF's 'routine' conduct,as you already know.And the talkbackers, you are obviously new to it.What you read today is nothing.There are other occasions when the responses are somehow maniacal,not normal. Regards.

Don't let the Zionists turn the Bureij refugee camp into another Sabra&Shatila. "with all means possible" said MalcomX and it is begining to look as if you have no other choice my friends.

If he was not so corrupt you would not be living the life you are today! How much of the Palestinian land in the West Bank has Israel promised to return to the rightful owners, the Palestinian people, Nabil? Do you see any signs of the apartheid wall being dismantled? How many of your Fatah people are still waiting for Israel to allow them entry into the West Bank? From what I have read in various media reports, Israeli settlers on the West Bank don't like people such as you. Take care Nabil.

When the brave Israeli military is done with its slaughter, there will not be any further discussion of the good will generated by Hamas engineering the release of Johnstone. So a success on all fronts - some Palestinians killed, property destroyed, a message delivered to cameramen who might be tempted to film IDF depradations and the Hamas good will down the toilet.

Dal 3 Ona,how true!Hamas frees a journalist but israel shoots one. Ben,about your personal experience at the airport.Difference:the IDF shot him down once.Then they shot him twice! Explain or rather,justify that to me. Dutch,the word MONSTROUS is possibly not enough.Diabolical ?

Disgusted by Ham-ass All you said is absolutely true.And you gave all the reasons which are a hundred percent spot on and correct.that's the way the cooky crumbles(if I spelled it correctly).Money and OIL,OIL,OILLLLLL........

do u not see how ur enemies cause u to fight between urselves, to weaken u ?? it is the age old policy of divide and conquer, because united u will be strong, u must never despite all ur differences point ur weapons at each other, because on ur door step u have an enemy that has absolute contempt for u both hamas and fatah and all of the Palestinian people it see's u as an inferior undermines ur society and denies u ur dignity, its policy is to claim all ur lands its attitudes towards u are very much racist this is a grave enemy u face, U cannot fight each other under any circumstances, It is the most highest sin, to kill each other ur enemy kills u. Any differences u have u need to put behind and avenge them later but for now u must work together it does not matter who is incharge as long as you stand together u have a chance divided u will be conquered.

IT IS THE NATURE OF THE BEAST WITH HAARETZ WHETHER THEY GLORY IN IT,IS DEBATABLE.STILL NOT A GOOD IMPRESSION TO THE OUTSIDE WORLD. ONE WOULD THINK THIS IS NOT A JEWISH PAPER, BUT,AN ARAB/AL JAZEERA TYPE FOR SURE. I'LL BET YOU THEY DO NOT PUT THIS ONE OUT. THEY'D BE TOO EMBARRASED?DON'T THINK SO. THEY CARE NOT A JOT! MONEY,MONE,MONEY AND ON IT GOES..............

Channah believe that ONLY Palestinian sympathizers "rape" the English language. She cites the expressions like : massacre, ethnic cleansing, and brutal oppression. She's absolutely correct. But Israelis are far superior to co opting expressions. How did the word antiSemetic ever be limited to Jews and not to the other Shemetic tribes. And what about any Jews who disagree with Israel's approach to this conflict, e.g. "self hating Jews". And we all know that many Israelis believe that EVERY Palestinian wants to push EVERY Jew "into the sea". If we had a semantic contest, I doubt that the Palestinians would even get into the finals. Remember: It's the Occupation Stupid'. Oh shit. There I go again! Cheers.

It's a hideous display of inhumanity that has been inculcated in the Israeli people.

For every rocket falling upon Sderot may a militant/terrorist fall. Please note that the Israelis target fighters while the Palestinians target civilians. Actions, not posts in this feedback column decide on who the real cowards are.

Now where did you get that hackneyed line from? LEarnt it by heartm hey? Not far not an original thought from you, just parroting lines you leaarn by heart when reading The Material.

Typical Arab voice calling for the death of other Arabs. You just can't wait to get back to Gaza and take revenge on your "brother" Arabs. How typical. Do you people every try to do anything constructive or work for peace? Of course not, all you think about is killing.

Stop throwing out meaningless lines you've learnt by heart from some websites or information sheets handed out at your weekley meetings. You are unable to back them up with any proof or source. They are cliches that are meant to rouse the rabble, a part of which you seem to be, and without historical, cultural, geographical and present day situational context are as meaningless as the number of holes in a slice of cheese.

All this wingeing about "war crimes" and "brutal occupation" such comedy. There would be no conflict at all if the Arab terrorists did not launch rockets at Israeli civilians. Israel shows tremendous restraint in her response, unlike Arab countries. If the Arabs continue their rocket, mortar and other attacks, all aimed at civilians, you will have many more terrorist deaths to squawk about. And yes, Hamas "journalists" are terrorists disseminating propaganda and should be shot on sight. No regrets at all. Fair play.

Their caricature of israeli "evil" is comical really. According to the Israel slammers the IDF and the IAF, go into Gaza as hunters goes into a safari and start shooting palestinians at random, because.. well.. because Israelis are evil simply because they are Jews. It's not that Hamas has a 6,000 strong militia and receives A LOT of money from Iran to fight Israel, It's not that they shoot at the IDF when they approach, It's not that they constantly shout out loud that Israel must be destroyed send suicide bombers and rockets over the border. Their caricature is ridiculous really. They see the conflict as a means to conquer the sympathy of western press, as a battle for non-Palestinian hearts and minds, which doesn't count much at the end of the day, western politics have a sofistication that these guys just don't get. In the real life things are not black or white. This route has been an enourmous disaster for Palestinians.

Brant, When I am so horrified and so morally outraged by the Israeli army's use of 21st century warfare against stone throw- ing people with their new found rifles I find it almost im- possible to contain my outrage--let alone my language. That aside, I am usually a calm and collected person--if you can believe that and I enjoy people who are thoughtful and reflective in their thinking and deliberations. I have no doubt if Israel put away its guns and recognized the existence of the Palestinian people and their rights to the GL there would be a diplomatic acceptance of Israel by Hamas. ( Israel can only gain its right to exist thru mutual respect.) But who is facilitating all the infighting and killing lately and especially those murderous raids and border confrontation? Israel of course and the sooner Israel decides peace is more important than land if will find a partner for peace in Hamas and I will go back to being a calm and collected person Dutch

Syria has also opened the road leading from Damascus to Quneitra, which is normally closed to civilian traffic, thereby making the way for terrorists to enter Israel. Same game as in Iraq.

1) he may have looked like carrying a rocket launcher from far away. After all, RPGs and cameras are both held on the shoulder in more or less the same way (plus, he was NOT carying a tv vest) 2) he may have looked like a militant if he was reporting close to the hamas side 3) Israeli soldiers may just as well be fed up of all the fake reportages and propaganda used to brainwash people into thinking hamas is good.

before there is even any hard evidence confirming that the IDF was in fact responsible, instead of Hamas, lest we forget the acts that Hamas perpetrated against other Palestinians only a few weeks ago. This could turn out to be another Mohammed al Durra or, better yet, "Jenin massacre". Yet there is no shortage of Israel-haters that decided to inundate this Israeli site with a torrent of obscene slander, vulgarities, cliches, and nastiness while riding on the crest of their own anti-Israel hysteria. Very sad indeed.

Would somebody please translate the last response into English please?

hamas finally start fighting idf after chasing me and my family as a member of fatah out of gaza.fatah and hamas were always united fighting enemy.one day hamas decided fatah is the bigger enemy than israel.well now they face enemy alone.and they will loose!now may israelis do to them what they did to us!crash them without mercy!as for us we will be back in gaza to pay them back!nabil

Just when you breathe a sigh of relief that Blair is gone you get him back, AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST! Is this failure of a diplomat a glutton for punishment? Everyone except "polite" Arab leaders despises him. Anyone who knows British history with the Balfour Declaration of 1917 will not want a single British official to do do anything for Palestinians. The British [at the official level] are incapable of helping and are the roots of the disaster, as the head of the Istiqlal Party Akram Zuaiter said in 1932. The British public, however, is wiser than its leaders and had demonstrated against the disastrous war in Iraq even before it happened.

The IDF invades crowded, impoverished neighborhoods slaughters residents and goes back home patting itself on the back. That is pathetic. What army couldn't kill Palestinians in Gaza? We saw what happened in Lebanon when the cowardly IDF was confronted with an opponent that had at least a minimal amount of weaponry. Hamas in Gaza has nothing. Congratulations IDF. Why don't you celebrate by murdering some rock throwers, demolishing houses or killing a "terrorist" by shooting him in the back as he runs away from you.

Dutch, I can assure you that if a group of settlers were firing missiles into Israeli towns, and the IDF confronted them, and they didnt put down their weapons, then, they would become ex settlers, ya know what i mean??-How is it that you cannot see that the Israelis must aggressivlely confront those forces whom every day plan and attempt to put into action events that will lead to the death of Israeli citizens?-Your opinion is obvious that you do not want Israel to exist-at least be honest enough to admit it, and dont try your hatred behind a lame attempt to condemn a country which is only trying to defend itself.

I saw a clip of the video in which Israelis shot the cameraman already lying on the ground on his stomach with a camera next to him TWO more times!!! If that is not criminal behavior, I do not know what is. "Brave" Isaeli soliders shoot the wounded! Now watch what the Israeli government is going to do about it. NOTHING. It is going to claim it did not do it. No punishment will be meted out for this crime. A light unto the nations? Puleeeease!

The Ha'aretz photo showing tens of Palestinians surrounding and carrying their wounded comrade - does not evoke a picture of "cowardice", as many Israelis portray them to be. The are more like "sitting ducks". It's amazing how many posts seem thrilled that more people are being killed in this conflict. It takes guts to forge a peace through diplomacy. Anyone can play "push button warrior" with the lives of "other peoples sons and daughters". Again, "OCCUPIED TERRITORIES for PEACE".

Despite the western media propergating a sympathetic view point in favour of isreal, amongst the ranks of the ordinary people israel is perceived to be an oppressive and ruthless occupier,Israels support is fast diminishing also amongst the political and intellectual classes certainly inthe uk. An israel without western support and subsidies, without supplies of advance defence equipment will perish inthe fog of conflict. Israel needs to fast address the issues of occupation and subjugation, the denial of dignity of a people now reaching the extremeties of desperation,This tit for tat violence needs to end israel being the more mature state in terms resources and organisation needs to take the first steps, these counter productive measures such as not engaging with HAMAS is criminal neglectfulness if peace is really the desired objective, Trying to broker peace with more favourable partners who do not represent the majority support in Palestine will result in failure.

The sniper should be put on trial. There is no excuse for targeting wounded media people covering the ruthlesness of the occupiers. Thank god there was another one at the spot covering this war crime.

The author of the WSJ opinion article regarding Rachel Corrie is FAR from objective. If you do a Wiki for the author (James Taranto) you'll find that he's not a respected journalist.

Here we see a wounded helpless reporter lying face down getting shoot time and time again. Now is the time to set a standard for Israeli media complicity, react and condemn or forever hold your tongue. Nils Evert

Maybe when you change your job description from Hasbara to Israeli Propaganda Department they will take you seriously. Im glad people disregard you. Its about time they realize reality from Israeli BS.

I didn't say that Tareq, you did. Both you and I can tell the difference between genuine events and those that are staged, or at least cunically used for propoganda purposes. I think most people witout an in-depth acquaintance with the mindesets of those involved in both sides of the conflict cannot understand certain nuances. hey therefore take everything at face value (both you and I know that face value is of secondary importance among certain mindsets) and shoot off their mouths, absolutely sure they know everything. Some are truly idiotic, especially those who are also ignorant and anti_semites - te combination of the above is lethal and dangerous.

Whys is everybody so upset, it happens on a daily bases. Was it because this time there was footage of it?

Thanks for the links. What are your views on this?

Bulldozers are mainly used for construction Israel uses them for brutal destruction

"Democratically elected or not. with the privilge of democracy comes the responsiblilty that must be taken for the choices you make." Peter, Yes, with democracy comes responsibility but the problem so far Israel has rejested the democratic will of the Palestinian people and has tried to force Hamas out of business by arresting them, destroying their property and waging an embargo against them. Yes, i realize the charter of Hamas calls for the destruction of Israel but Hamas did not run on that platform and neither would they have been elected on that platform as poll after poll show the majority of Palestinian people like Israeli people wanted peace. In addition, I believe many revolutionary groups throughout history called for the destruction of their oppressors and later formed responsible governments such as the American Patriots in their struggle against the Crown and their writing of the Declaration of Indepedence & Bill of Rights . So give Hamas time & accept them!

Is that the network that shows cartoons and a real life Mickey Mouse that urges children to go out and kill Jews? Tsk tsk tsk, a reporter got two spoonfuls of his own medicine.

Negev is in Palestine like Tel Aviv is in Palestine, and all of Jordan and Syria are in Palestine. Negec is part of Isrfael and under the Israeli government. It is settled by Beouins and Israelis. Pretending that something is so does not make it so. Delusion was never good for anyone. The Women of Lakiya are Israelis who happen to be Bedouin and their program is an Israeli one. I suppose you were educated in a school that did not have Israel on the mape. The result is intentional ignorance which eqauls a refusal to face reality. That's the truth.

Where did you get this particular piece of nonsense from. Israel is teeming with foreign correpondednts. How many are there in Gaza? Zilch. And do you know why? Because there is a fre press in Israel and hjournalists fear for their lives inGaza, according to many storires. The Italian cameramen who filmed the lynching of 2 Israelis in Ramallah had their cameras confiscated under pain of death.

Accept it or just shut up.fact are just that. No matter how you'd to turn it into your version of things,it ain't going to be believed, or accepted. Enough with the prolongation of false premiss on your part.A load of bull comes out of your "geule" P/S Don't usually read your presumptious responses,just garner them through Cipora.J.K when she deigns to reply to yours...

I have been saying for over a year that the danger is coming from the north.

Two worlds, two worlds apart. NO they are not like you.

Sorry that was wrong, it was:"Hamas efforts to free BBC journalist won`t change French policy". Oh la la Sarko, oh la la.

The cameraman was carrying a camera not a bloody gun! He was already wounded while the IDF kept shooting bullets! Once again the IDF have shown, by committing this despicable act, just what an unprofessional army they really are!

Why does the UN side with Israel and claim it to be Syrian? Why hasn't the Syrians, when stating Shaaba Farms is Lebanese, done so in writing? "Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad said the Shebaa Farms belong to Lebanon during a news conference in Paris during his state visit to France." He also gave many news conferences, especially his father, as to Lebanon being a part of Syria and should remain so...forever, as one with Syria controlling it. I believe this trumps your "truckload of maps" thoery. I care little for your maps and logic. The UN is what matters here, and what Syria believes is correct. In 1967, Shaaba farms was in Syrian terroritory - for whatever reason, this is what it was. Again, only Lebanon, some Syrians, and you dispute the ownership of the land.

The IDF was bulldozing a dwelling that belonged to a terrorist, which was close to the border with Egypt and proven to be used as cover for smuggling tunnels. This isn't the first one found and destroyed by Israel. Infact, even Fatah was destroying a few tunnels. Rachel ran in front of the bulldozer to protect the terrorist's house....not a civilian house, but one of a terrorist. No one was inside at the time. Rachel belonged to the infamous ISM which has been implicated numerous times on aiding Pal terrorists and passing along intelligence information to Pals. They despite Israel, and show no remorse for civilians killed by Pal suicide bombers. She is nothing like the high stature she was made out to be.

died needlessly, foolishly, tragically, in an accident of her own creation while trying to protect tunnels used to smuggle explosives that are then used to murder people. In fact, those types of explosives were used only a few weeks later to murder several US diplomats in WB and Gaza to provide scholarships to Arab kids...that's why the WSJ site OpinionJournal.com refers to it as the Rachel Corrie memorial massacre.

I feel the same about your rantings on how evil Israel is and how innocent (even the men with AK-47s, rocekt launchers, and women's dresses) the Pals are. If you are an objective person, and all indications show that you aren't, you'd see from where the situation started and the many hands involved. You asked for proof regarding Zionism. I provided you proof of what IS Zionism and not your fantasy version of events. I also provided proof of Arab intimidation even before Jews had a fighting force. What you need is a simple timeline and a simple (big print) version of an encyclopedia not written by Al-Jazeera. Your hate blinds you, and that's as simple as it gets.

Thank God the IDF is there and doing a wonderful professional job of getting rid of terrorist scum who are trying to murder Jews. If not for repeated Qassam attacks and attempts to infiltrate Israel to murder innocent civilians and others like them, IDF would happily go home and live normal lives like people in Natick, MA and elsewhere. Those who accuse them of all manner of inhumanity should take a look in the mirror and see what true evil is.

Polybios, I can't imagine Hamas law introducing Sharia law as I suspect the Palestinian women wouldn't tolerate it. Hemas ran on a platform to clean up corruption and to fight for the equal rights of Palestinian people against Israel. Introducing the sharia law, would be political suicide and Hamas has shown itself to be very wise and socially responsible. I don't think they are the big bad wolves Israel makes them out to be. At least, no more than the hard liners in the Israeli right. Yes, I wouldn't protest the Sharia law and abuses towards women, (to answer your question.) Still, I am optomistic that all people want "the same" as Madeline Albright said and hence I suspect improvements in human rights will be forth coming. So relax, somethings have a way of taking care of themselves without too much of a struggle!!! Dutch

In the heat of a firefight, between uniformed soldiers and plainclothes militants, what was he doing without a Flak jacket identifying him as press? Because he had no press ID!! He should not have been there. Besides, we all remember Hamas' respect for the press when they crashed the vehicle marked press through the border fence in a failed attempt to kidnap more soldiers, comdemned by EVERY press organization!

Only part of the argument made by Arabs at the time referred to Jewish sovereignty over the land.The other part had to do with the fear of Jews treating Arabs the way Arabs treated Jews. This is a direct fear based on years of Dhimmitude, and of thinking of Jews as "inferior, sons of pigs and dogs, dirty"...infact, these are the words Al-Husseini used when trying to whip up the crowds. "The Arabs had a very good reason to resist the Zionist invasion." And yet, the ones the Arabs killed in Hebron were not only their neighbors for many generations, but also had NO affiliation with the Zionist movement. If anti-semetism wasn't reason, they please explain why innocent people died at the hands of these Arab monsters?

Karl Just out of curiosity went to "youtube"according to our friend from your country who gave the youtube address.I could not access it,nor was it obtainable.How did you manage it I wonder?? False all of it anyway,and who cares. Isn't it typical of their PR machine?In any case I am not here to defend the IDF knowing full they woouldn't be culpable at all.They always produce false pictures,all staged and ridiculous accusations that do the rounds when they find themselves in trouble.sure enough,an easy option is to blame Israel and OUR IDF! I SHALL SAY IT IN GREEK:ASTO DIAVOLO!!

1) A number of residents in the area have land deeds stamped by the Lebanese government. 2) Lebanese Army maps of 1961 and 1966 specifically pinpoint several of the Shebaa Farms as being Lebanese. 3) Lebanese Ministry of Tourism maps show the Lebanese-Syrian border running West of the Shebaa Farms. 4) Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad said the Shebaa Farms belong to Lebanon during a news conference in Paris during his state visit to France. This is worth a trunkload of maps ! He said Beirut and Damascus will submit a new map to the UN after Israel withdraws from the region. I can find older documentation of the Mandate period but I need more time.

Rachel gave the ultimate sacrifice for the fight against Israel's never ending brutality.

Nicht nein also,go and fry an egg mein Herr... Shalom and auf vidersehen nicht!!

Deir Yassin

How about a quote from BBC website: "Nothing has run out, no-one is starving." Awad Keshta, 48, University Lecturer, Rafah You can also check the following link but then you would not be able to post about starving Palestinians.Choice is yours. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6253312.stm

The shrill condemnations of Anti-Israeli posters such as Dutch and his pals show complete ignorance of the situation or the concept of "humanity." The fact that the vast majority of Arabs killed by the IDF are terrorists show tremendous precision and caution. No other military has a similar record when fighting in urban areas. The IDF and IAF are the most moral and humane military forces in the history of warfare. The only "crime" is that such ignorant comments are published and that the IDF and IAF do not stop the launching of rockets at civilian Sderot by the use of appropriate force.

no way that this world will be ruled from agressiv islamic terrorists, always shooting to civilian and when idf strikes back than they say agressive functions. no way! this world has to be changed!!!

Brant you have many friends on this site including myself because you post so articulately and honestly. I really appreciate the clarity you bring to these forums. I'm curious: Are you a student of Jewish or ME history?

all hamas and jihad members are open targets whether they carry a gun, camera or an apple. you are a member of a terror group, you are as good as dead. same goes for you family and anyone around you, so fair warning to everyone. is this so difficult to understand? how about we send israel reporter across the border with offical press gear clearly marked. anyone honestly think hamas will not shoot at them?? you cant have a one sided war.

of a gigantice earth mover where it highly likely she could not be seen.They are huge noisy machines. Who stopped her.??

"I refer to the Shebaa farms, which have been Lebanese since the French mandate." It has? Becuase maps from 1923 when the lines were drawn show it clearly inside the borders of Syria. Hence, the reason why no one except Lebanon and Syria claim it as Lebanese. Israel will hold onto this "Syrian" land until an agreement is reached with Syria on peace, or until Syria officially gives the land to Lebanon - which isn't likely since the Syrian govt has repeatedly called Lebanon a part of Syria for years (referring to the Levant, or Greater Syria prior to French mandate). What you're suggesting is bullying someone because they owe your friend $5, and that friend owes you $5. So you attack him instead. Legally he (and Israel) owe you nothing.

The Zionists began moving into Palestine at the beginning of the 20th century. Whether they bought the land or not is of no importance. What mattered was that their plan was to establish sovereignty over the land, a plan which was well-known to the Arabs and more and more resented by them. That was the source of the inter-communal violence in Hebron and elsewhere, not anti-semitism. The Arabs had a very good reason to resist the Zionist invasion.

The brutality of the IDF/IAF shows up repeatedly in all their attacks -savage force and overkill with no regard for human life except as targets. Imagine, shooting a man already wounded on the ground or a child too frightened to stop or an unarm civilian scared to death? The IDF & IAF shows the moral conscience of a rabid animal. People should raise their voices and protests their taxes being used in such a savage way. It's monstrous inhumanity. Dutch

back to eliminate Hamas once and for all. Hamas is 10 times worse than Fatah. As we yearned for return of Izrail when Fatah ruled now we see how much better it was caombared to Hamas.

You're oversimplifying a very complex issue.

It always comes back to aipac with you sad conspiracy theorists. its kinda pathetic at this point to see you having to resort to crazy conspiracy theories....one step of away from blaming jews for roswell alien landings??? Arabs have BIGGER lobbies with a hellova lot more money because of oil and somehow israels is the biggest?!?!? Please. wake up.

So you imagine the Hamas as a haphazardly thrown together bunch of vilgilante punks under the age of 18, looking for a way to release their sexual tension. You under estimate them! Luckily, the IDF does not. Hamas is armed with Ak-47s and M-16s - not your typical toy gun, my friend. They launched soviet-made anti-tank rockets (if it's good for the Reds, why not Hamas?), and many mines - near residentials areas (a war crime in itself!) They fight as geurillas while the IDF fights in true army formation - which even your Canadian army fights in (ask any soldier who served in NATO in Afghanistan recently). If you think the IDF is going to sacrifice it's soldiers in order to receive accolades from you on "fairness" - think again! Speaking of fairness - where is condemnation of Hamas dressing as women to escape capture, use children to test IDF actions (at night, alone), and fire rockets aimlessly on civilian areas hoping to kill as many as possible?

You really have nothing to hold onto that you are blaming the Jews for wanting their homeland for arab terrorism!?? That is kinda weak. Also, still...waiting for you to read that history book.... Arabs began the fight agaist the jews who VERY LEGALLY lived in israel for thousands of years AS WELL AS moved LEGALLY in the late 1800s to early 1900s. Arabs started fighting and killing these jews with no reason, no "stolen land", no fighting at the hands of jews....arabs killed over 60 people in Hebron in 1929 (by the way...who do you blame that on...it was well before begin)!??!? KNOW YOUR HISTORY BEFORE YOU MAKE UP BAD ARGUEMENTS

So what...just ebcasue arabs fire inferior rockets means israel can only fire mortars back to protect themselves??? How on earth is that logical!?!? MAYBE, just maybe, you hsould be complaining that the arabs are starting these fights to begin with instead of grasping as straws here

she shouldnt be forgotten...but noeither should all the israelis and americans killed by paletsinian terrorists that everyone here all to easily forgets!!!

Sorry, question rises with me. The cameraman obviously was shot down laying wounded on the ground. Laying on the ground he was shot again. The pictures don't tell us WHO did shoot him again and again. Somebody crawling to him NOT SHOT AT! Next scene: several (!!!) Hamas people come for help keeping themselves nearly completely erect not taking shelter and carry this cameraman away unhampered and not being shot at! So, who gave this cameraman the extra shots after being already hit laying on the ground?!!???? And why was there a second camera JUST IN TIME to take this scene??? Reminds me of Hez' and Hamas' politics to kill their own to incriminate Israel. Sorry. I won't drink this cup of tea served by Hamas.

Well Barak is off to a shaky start if shooting wounded reporters is his idea of regaining anything. Yet again Israel lost, yes they killed some poor sods but they lost the PR war after having used medics as human shields and stopped ambulances from operating and shooting reporters that was already shot and wounded. No I think we all see the IDF in the same light as before, chicken shits. I really hope that Israel will try to attack Lebanon or Syria and not just refugee camps. I know that refugee camps are a walk over and that it feels so much better, but hey you never know. By the way, welcome back to Gaza, you will most likely have a caller calling on you in a while, or do you think that these people are not going to have your "militants" pay with their blood. All in due time I say.

At least one of us here is going to take you to task for your deliverate doublespeak. You say "Israel slaughtering Palestinians". I don't know there o great namesake of the departed Rachel C, but "slaughter" usually goes along with innoncence; no weapons in hand. You know, sort of like the Nazis did to the Jews or like HizbAllah to the two little Arab girls in Haifa. See, Rachel, even the Hamas spokesman said that Hamas initiated the battle.Yes he called it a battle.So get off your high horse and be honest. If you know how. As for the real, late Rachel C, at least she risked something for her beliefs. All you risk is forgetting what truth means.

One would think that if this guy was actually wounded by gunfire or tankfire or any other weapon that there would be some sort of bandage or blood on the guy -- Come on Reuters! Why didn't you "doctor" this photo like you did during the Lebanon war last summer? Maybe it's emotional wounds... And please, all of you rational terrorist supporters--pack your bags at once and move to Gaza and live under the Hamas regime of peace. Oh, but if you are a female, don't forget to pack your burkas and scarves and cover every inch of skin or you'll find out what Hamas-style peace is really all about. Oh, and Farid -- please come and lead your people. We all need you here. G-d protect Israel. G-d protect innocent lives. G-d forgive you judgmental idiots who view the world through media-colored glasses and never bother to set foot in the land you condemn or the land you bless.

I think you're purposely taking to heart the postings here that celebrate the IDF incursion today. I've read them for what they are - usually replies to those venom-spitting, anti-semetic, war-mongering non-Middle East residents with a chip on their shoulder. No one celebrates the killing of any Palestinian UNLESS they are carrying a gun and belong to a group with a charter for the destruction of Israel. Pretty simple. All postings celebrating the attack were referring to the plainly obvious Hamas fighters - and let's face it - isn't this who the fighting should be between - your fighters and our IDF?? The rest of the civilians should be left out of it - and continue on with their lives. But, you will never see Jews run into the streets, throw parties and give out candies when Palestinians are attacked - even Hamas. Read Farid's points. I saw your postings to him where you admonish him repeatedly. He has good points - no one can move ahead because everyone looks behind.

Please.

The Palestinians are learning how to build a state. Any state need one government, one army and one police. They can't build a state with many terror organizations controlling different parts of the country. I say let them kill each other, until they learn how to build their state.

If you read the Quran (which I took the time to do), you will find out that it takes much more from the Jewish scriptures than from the Christian Gospel.Start with the eating habits (kosher vs. hallal)...

You meant Canadians in Afghanistan trapped under American fire right? Or may be you meant Canadian in Normandy crying and calling Stalin for help?

cameraman working for the Al-Aqsa televison station. If you read this be assured that the posters here at talkback that doesn't have an ounce of humanity left in them do NOT represent all jews. I have watched what happen to you and I feel strongly that it was an injustice and I appologize.I read that both your legs were amputade and and that you were in a poor condition, but I hope that you will be able to recover somewhat. The pen and the camera are mighty weapons, now we all knew what took place and most of us in this crazy world feel bitter and confused and ask ourselves why.

I was pretty tied up during LW2 and so visited this demoralizing, left-wing rag sparingly. Pretty late here Gonna hit the hay See you in the funny papers Keep posting

You made me laugh , i was trying to picture what you wrote . excellent post. I admire and respect westerners who have no problem aknowledging when they see something wrong. ALl my respect and regards to you .

I just said in my response(not out yet). Now hands unshackled for the IDF at last! Not the way they were treated during the second Lebanon war!Stupid inneficient leaders at that time...I even hate remembering about it. The enemy is on notice now and they had better watch out!!

Rachel Corrie should never be forgotten. Let her rest in peace. And help her dream come true.

I refer to the Shebaa farms, which have been Lebanese since the French mandate.

So far?

...maybe they're just finally getting around to a little punishment for the months and months of Hamas Qassams; maybe they know something you don't about some lovely "resistance" plans to tear some Jewish babies to shreds. Maybe they're doing it to illustrate to Hamas that belligerence will be rewarded with defeat. Maybe they're doing it in cahoots with President Abbas and to show Ishmael the Deposed that he controls nothing. No, Don Camillo, this time Israel is going to join a broad peace initiative. It will be one, however, that sidelines the Jihadists and marginalizes those heroes who are so confident in their cause they must mask their faces and throw their opponents off buildings.

How many IDENTIFIABLE news men have the Arabs killed or kidnapped?

I know what they are trying to do, provoke IDF for a retaliation, so they can go and smash the whole Gaza and cause more war crimes and they dont care what the world thinks. more war criminals muslims in britain and America will stand by them, all 3 seem to enjoy Spilling civilian blood. I hope IDF wont respond and ignore Hamas' provocations but the coward world wont react. the Eunuchs Arabs cant even help them with donations, their Boss in washington must give them the OK for everything they do, the CIA controls them from the US embassies in AMMan and Ryiad and cairo etc ...

it is still disgusting for the IDF to use such a large munition on a man face down in the ground. Cameraman or not, it was terribly brutal.

Zionism didn't create the hell in Gaza, WB - rejection by Arabs based on racist reasonings and threats of genocide did that. Zionism basically calls for a return to the ancient homeland (which is proven 1000x by documentation and ALL major holy books). It never called for the removal of natives, which is why land was bought and not simply taken. 28 years before Israel, many years before Irgun - Arabs called for attacks on the "impure" Jews (i.e. racist actions). It was Arab violence that brought the Irgun - which many Jews didn't join because of faith in their Arab neighbors. Those neighbors killed Jews, took land, raped women. Using your logic, show me how Turkey's fight to stay secular hasn't brought hell to them? I guess they should accept the strict, murderous Islamists, huh?

Piss them off until they retaliate and then invade Gaza and hunt down the Hamas leadership and hand it over to Fatah. The only problem with this plan is that the retaliation is going to cost Jewish liuves, is that really what Barak/Olmert has in mind?

WWACD You are as good a soldier as was Yonatan Netser from Metula. WWACD do you remember him from last year during the 2nd Lebanon war sending us letters from South Lebanon.He was a Combat Medic,spoke fluent arabic etc,etc. Anyway,you are doing a marvalous job. Peace Through Victory!!!!