South Africa's largest trade union seeks to boycott Israel

There is blatant discrimination against whites in SA. Why is the world quiet? The feeling of blacks against Israel is simply because Israel is seen as 'white' and Palestines not. They are not at all interested in who do what. I am in SA and many people understand the complexity of the situation and the right of Israel to defend and hit back at attacks.

Let's see a link to a real source. For instance, if a site still claims Deir Yassin is a massacre even though: 1) No observers said so at the time 2) Pal researchers at Bir Zeit (the top Pal U) say it wasn't a massacre then the site is questionable. Also, as with most antisemites, you're anonymous, so I don't know where you live. If in the US, read an early USSC decision about "Tory" rights to their property after fleeing to Canada to the Brits could kill the revolutionaries. Then compare: 1) Jewish refugees ethnically cleansed by Arabs in their declared war to destroy Israel 2) Arab refugees who both fled and were cleansed because of the Arab war to destroy Israel. Then we can compare dates: of destructions of villages. Also, do you equate bulldozing towns with using tombstones as paving and building materials? Finally, investigate the Galil Valley, with "Arab Villages" that have tombs of Jewish sages in them that Jews can't visit or maintain.

Your complicity. Notice that you have an entire response w/o addressing the ARab war to destroy Israel and the Arab oil boycott of nations doing business with Israel. You ignore that Israel was speaking out against Apartheid long before the Muslims were (who didn't, of course, eliminate slavery until 1981. The Arabs didn't finish outlawing it until 1970, but still practice it quietly). Yes, after most of Africa stopped talking to Israel, Israel did change it's relations with SA, but that was your decision. We couldn't let your antisemitism ruin our nation. Vaanunu? Get real. When you have a democracy, try Hariri's killers and quit oppressing your Pals (after 60 years), and call for Iran to quit building a bomb, then you can talk about minimal restrictions on nuclear spy.

We don't need more ennemies; friends are enough! Maybe kasrils entire name is Kasrils Mandela? Wake up Mr.

The hypocracy of the SA Gvt and Unions is tantamount to blatant anti-semitism and has NOTHING to do with any palestinian cause. Kasril's is nothing more than a self-hating Jew. Clearly his political whoring is more important than lobbyong for the cause of his own people. And he is the Minister of Intelligence. Say what??

"If the United states truely is a democratic nation we should not only boycott Israel but kick out AIPAC and lead the peace process instead of having zionist take the lead". Afterwards you can buy a shirt at Target's made in China by slave prison labor to celebrate.

Every time I believe in a "moral" Jew/Israeli, somebody breaks my pink bubble! This is so frustrating and upsetting! I will submit myself to the Truth....even when it is an unpleasant one, because G-D is the ultimate rep. of the Truth. Shugran Elias. Shame on unethical politics!

Sh, apartheid was most probably the wrong word to use. I ran with it all day yesterday to dramatically wake up those Israelis that have become accustomed to the occupation as a natural occurence in the evolution of Isarel. They are now used to thinking of Palestinians only in terms of terrorism because of the actions of the few bad ones but mostly from the Israeli government propaganda about Palestinians in general to make Israelis insensitive to whatever collective punishment is dished out against them. Solomon, eh?

Elias Khoury, I don't know where you get this thing about the Lebanese being the ones especially pissed-off because Palestinian Christians and Moslems are getting along. It must be coming from your prolongued exposure to Jewish sense of persecution self-pity because I have never seen anything here that describes your feelings. If Lebanon itself is a model of religious coexistence, why would it be pissed-off at yours with the Moslems.

Realist, the rough neighbourhood you are living in is of your own making. Until your country ends its settlements expansion program and the occupation that is required to keep it going, you will always be looking over your shoulder. Surely there is enough land already in Israel for its future needs for generations. The rest of the world's Jews are not all going to be coming back to Israel so this greed for land that your country has is absurd. You are expanding your ownership of land at the expense of other people but you are not feeling any remorse because you have been rendered senseless towards Palestinians by your government's campaingns to dehumanize them.

'We had armoured vehicles and police using small arms to shoot people.' So once again, it's not the deaths of innocent people, it's the quality of arms? Get a brain Kasrils. Remember Sharpeville and Langa, Kasril. Remember that Mandela brought forgiveness and not hatred, healing and not bitterness. The South African remedy isn't to make people suffer but to reconcile them. You're no fit ambassador!

like it or not; there's a substance of truth to what is said. if you don't think the israeli lobby is powerful in washington; you might try researching it a bit. it's real. not by any means by pockets lined with shekels, but the shekels wield a political power that politicians recognize... one that can make them or break them... politicians don't like being broken...they want to hold onto their office at the very least...and many want to ascend. because of that; money and power can be a threat to them...unless of course its working FOR them. to have it working against them, they will avoid at all costs...and they toe the line even if there are NO jews in their constituency; because the weight of those shekels hangs over them like a dark cloud. and they know if that cloud starts raining a compaign against them; they'll lose. it's power kath'; the power of money is a despicable thing...but it IS real.

Now Haaretz is becoming mealymouthed. All South Africans know that these people are out and out antisemites. Give them the definition of an antisemite and they'll proudly proclaim themselves within the category and ask for a subcategory: Deliberate antisemites on principle. Their only moral standard is whether it's white or black. White=Israel=Bad.

that's what happening. is can no longer hide behind a smokescreen. technology today offers the world a tremendous amount of visibilty that can penetrate the veils of deceit that in the past were used so effectively to hide its eyes from the realities. and so what you're witnessing... is the world at large beginning to understand that all is NOT what israel claims it to be; so that even the diaspora has begun to think...and many of them are now hesitating. it's one thing to support the ideal of a jewish homeland; quite another to support a system of occupation and persecution that is at times reminiscent of one that all humanity abhors.

Yes, several years ago...The things change rapidly -you know, especially when people have given the opportunities for better life...If you have a job, a decent salary, a home and the hope for the better future, you have no need to robber the others... Of course there is still a lot to do and the situation is not as good as I described in every corner of the South Africa. As a tourist you can also see things with your own eyes...You do not have to imagine the whole reality on stories,you have heard -some years ago.

What does Saudi Arabia have to do with Israel/Palestine? Why is it everytime Israel is criticized, we use the other Arab countries? I'm not disagreeing that the Arab world is socially retarded, especially Saudi Arabia, but just because Egypt's Islamic brotherhood's precursors have already been initiated, don't make Israel out to be a light. I am a Palestinian, and Christian. Israel seeks to divide the Palestinian nation always. Everyone wants to divide the Palestinian Christian and Muslim community. What pisses Israel, and the rest of the Arab world off, including Lebanon, is that they find it hard to accept, the one nation/people whose Christian and Muslim population get along for the most part is the Palestinians. Maybe you Copts in Egypt have your issues with the Muslims, but don't spread your misery onto us. We already have enough misery with Israel occupying East Jerusalem and the 67 territories!

when will you guys understand that there IS a collective conscience out there in the world today? it's unfortunate that it wasn't there in the 1930's, but back then telecommunications and the media lacked the resources and instantaneous exchange of information at its disposal today. the last ten years has shrunk this world a thousandfold; and it's become almost impossible to hide the truth any longer. so if back then we'd the visibility afforded by the media that we do today, the holocaust would likely have been nipped at the bud, and would never have happened. and also if we'd had it back then, today there would be two states in palestine who'd be living in relative harmony, and israel's history as you know it; would not exist. but it does exist, and visibility is as it is...and will become more acute with time, and the world is zeroing in to set right what should never have been. better that israel set it right on its own, than to be forced to by world consensus.

Guys, you're wasting a lot of time and space responding to this article. Who gives a damn what South Africa's Trade Union thinks. As an ex-South African I can tell you that South Africa has more than enough of its own problems. The members of this Trade Union are the cause of some of the worst statistics in the WORLD....most rapes per 1000 population, most crime per 1000 population, most AIDS per 1000 population, highest unemployment rate per 1000 population....so please dont waste any more space worrying about this lot of clowns, they will wipe each other out in the next 10 years....and Israel will still be a booming, prosperous economy and DEMOCRACY!

Actually Israel is a whole lot safer than SA. Violent crime is low, and people can move around freely at all times. People do not live behind electric fences with guard dogs and private security companies (the IDF does the job of keeping the criminals and terrorists out for us!). Stopping at a red light is not an invitation for a hijacking or smash and grab. Jerusalem (one of the favourite targets of Arab terrorists) is statistically far safer than Johannesburg. Ask any actuary whether an insurance company would charge higher insurance premia in Israel or SA (assuming that they did not exclude cover for war / terrorism), and I am sure that you would find that they rate SA a more dangerous place to live. The index takes several factors into account, including military expenditure as a percentage of GDP. Israel is forced to divert a significant portion of its resources to defence, failing which the country would be overrun. Unfortunately it's a rough neighbourhood we live in!

Am apartheid system you must combat with boycot. The list is growing! Beware Israel!

"We never had jets attacking our townships. We never had sieges that lasted month after month. We never had tanks destroying houses. We had armoured vehicles and police using small arms to shoot people but not on this scale." They didn't need them. The dark peoples were not allowed to sit on the same bench as Kasrils, or use the same public conveniences, leaving aside ordinary things like jobs and living space. Apartheid was a different ball-game. Instead SA used tanks and planes elsewhere, to prevent dark peoples less efficiently managed than their own spoiling their party.

The Global Peace Index published on Wednesday, a week before the Group of Eight (G8) summit in Germany, rated 121 countries from Algeria to Zimbabwe on some 24 factors including levels of violence, organized crime and military expenditure. While most European countries including Britain rank in the top more peaceful half of the league table, the United States is nearer the bottom in 96th place, while Russia is fifth from last on 118th. "This is a wake-up call for leaders around the globe," said Steve Killelea, who commissioned the study from the Economist Intelligence Unit, which is linked to the 'The Economist' news weekly . Norway is followed by New Zealand in second place and Denmark in third. Iraq, which has been gripped by growing violence since the 2003 US invasion, is at the bottom of the list just below Sudan, with the Zionist regime only two places from the bottom on 119th place. The Top 5 countries are: 1. Norway 2.New Zealand 3. Denmark 4.Ireland 5.Japan. The Bottom 5 countries are: 1.Nigeria 2.Russia 3.Israel 4.Sudan 5.Iraq

Typical K Behavior!

South Africa should boycott Saudi Arabia for the way they treat their women - like dogs. Saudi women cannot vote or drive. In the Arab world, there is not one democracy. Might as well boycott all of them too. Boycott Syria for murdering Hariri and supporting terrorists organizations. Iran? Don't get me started. South Africans do not have to worry about sucide bombers. Kasrils is still a Jew and the neo-Nazi elements in SA still hate him regardless of his views. However, all in all, the Palestinians do need a better life than the present. The situation in Gaza and West Bank is bad. The West Bank should be given to Jordan - not Islamic Jihad or Hamas. Abbas is too weak to reign over them.

If I were a fool, that is...After all, South Africa thinks what's going in over the border in Zimbabwe is quite okay! 2000-3000% Inflation, destruction of a national economy, etc. If I were cursed by the likes of the RSA, I'd be a happy individual!

I believe that my father-in-law, who is now deceased, knew you in Houston. I believe that he said that the Blumberg family came to Houston from South Africa. He also told me that Ronnie Kasrils is a Communist, but that the real leader of South Africa, Mbeki, is a capitalist who wants South Africa to prosper. In Texas, I have met a number of younger black capitalists who are interested in making money and accumulating wealth for their families. We are fortunate that Mbeki is the Prime Minister, and not Kasrils. As far as I know, the South African Government has not confiscated Jewish-owned business enterprises, as what happened in Cuba nearly a half-century ago. Communism is a failed enterprise for most intelligent people.

Danite, The boycott against Israel is designed to get Israel to stop colonizing the West Bank and stop refusing to negotiate a fair deal. The world is tired of it. Their behavior (IN THE TERRITORIES) is very much akin to aparthied. It is UNDENIABLE. I am not referring to Israeli policy IN ISRAEL PROPER. Israel would not be subjected to Boycotts if they simply ended the occupation. PS: Perhaps you didn't know, but I was born in the US, raised on Rock Music/Tigers Baseball and many other things American. I can't escape my roots, both my American and my Palestinian. But I would live in no other place than the USA. Bint Chalti means daugher of my aunt (aunt from my mother's side). Bint Ahmi (would be daugher of my uncle from my father's side). For a boy, replace the Bint with Ibn...and you are good to go.

You know you're a lousy country when South Africa wants to boycott you. This folks know something about apartheid and they have the courage to take action against those that engage in its practice, unlike the United States.

Thank you for your well wishes, just some buisness to attend to, will be freed up in a few weeks.I will miss ranting at you too gabe1 !!untill then best wishes and regards!!

Just some buisness that needs attending.Thanks and see you soon.Regards

Thanks Cipora but you need to get those zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzsssss in!! Kol Tuv "Hamouda" see you soon!

is for you. Cherio.

ZebulonGuy After all you said and it is al true and we are aware of the "shenningans" this"doofus" stands for.Plus I noticed he hasn't changed his suit since his last appearance,when he went and met Abass and Hamas! Apart form his cynical and hypocritical stance Dirty laundry is very appropriate...

Oh My gosh. Who am I going to rant and rave at for the next few weeks. I wish you a good trip or whatever you are planning to do. And I mean that sincerely. We are after all Jews and have Israels best interest at heart. Good Luck.

Zimbabwe with South Africa are we? The fact you have reacted in such a way means I am close to the mark. All these boycotts, the IDF not allowed to go on holidaY in many parts of Europe. Iran getting THE bomb, the IDF not able to defeat a ragbag army of teachers and nurses in Lebanon. Starting to sweat are we? Down to personal if not racist abuse are we? You are implying that South Africans can't have engineering degrees etc. Why I wonder? Is it because they is black. Already sent the link to COSATU, and I didn't even try

Whatever you do,I bless Ms.Klaudia for reminding me to look up this Darwish. so,please put out #152 Darwish...

Shlomo Not only Kasrils,but from what I have read and heard,the whole bunch were all hard core communists. Mandela,Joe Slovo,some of the Susmans and many more(like the ones you mentioned)Time to refresh one's memory and some catching up on reading is necessary. Thanks for the reminder.Will do this,if only I can get away from Haaretz. They will not miss me,for sure,and am looking forward to get down to some serious reading...

As Christian from ME , we have more rights in Israel then the moslem countries that we are born in. As I like you to be able to go to saudi arabia with a cross hanging on your neck ( good luck). In Aphanistan just because a man changed from islam to Christian they wanted to punish him with Capital Punishment. Sure it is easy to repeat like parrot the lies on the leftists and arab petro$$$$$ followers But facts prove only israel is the real democracy in ME

ARIEL SHARON GAVE MANY WEAPONS TO THE WHITE SOUTH AFRICANS AND SUPPORTED THEM.

about your counseling credentials. How well have you studied Aboriginal culture Gary? And for that matter White settlement in colonial Australia. It was the forced 'integration' policies of Christian missionaries and Government authorities that were responsible for starting the chain of generational destruction of Australian Aboriginal culture. It is unprofessional of you to compare the 'integration' Blacks in Israel and Australia! Every opportunity should be available to Australian Aboriginal people to participate in mainstream White Australian culture without further destruction of the holistic Aboriginal self. Without repeating the mistakes of the past, by way of enforced or well intentioned, but misdirected, integration. I wish you well, and I hope you have the opportunity to meet and cooperate with Aboriginal Elders to assist in your area of work. (I trust you have been truthful)

HAs the world gone mad? Do these people really have nothing better to do? why do all of these countries feel this incredible need to look for problems outside of their countries dont they have enough problems they could be working on fixing in SA? and seriously now, APartheid???? HA!

Danite hello Oh no!Are you leaving us really?Les vacanse? is it? good on you and yours. Well,whatever it is,I wish you a good time, happiness and a speedy return to our shores! Meant sincerely I assure you. Some of us do need a bit of a break from this Haaretz don't we?To breathe the fresh air, read a good book,or any form of pleasure or enjoyment we may desire.Sure thing Danite. So,for now Danite my friend,I will say Asta la vista,au-revoir Ausi a tout a l'eur...

If the United states truely is a democratic nation we should not only boycott Israel but kick out AIPAC and lead the peace process instead of having zionist take the lead. We bought and paid for Israel, its about time we put our foot down and hard on these people.

Walid,Teich brought up the 1973 war.I love it when they refer to Isreal being attacked in 73.The arabs didn't attack Isreal,they attacked Israeli troops on occupied arab land,Gaza,West bank,Golan,Siani.End the Occupation!!!!!!!!!!!

Isreal has been terrorized my moslims since for centuries. The enemy they know is merciless, uneducated and abusive. The rest of the world should pray that their destinies will not be dictated to by these abusers. For Kasril to not support his true roots for thousands of years is disgraceful. The world is just beginning to see the venom of the muslim race. Giving into them is giving them power. There is not a good future for the world or it's children in appeasing them.

I hope that it will not be too long. I am getting rather tired. I get very little sleep. In any case, have a good trip and make tons of money. Shalom and Regards, Chaver sheli

Hello ODP, Some people make the mistake of Israel itself being an Apartheid state. When you hear the accusation from a distance, you might innocently believe it to be similar in all respects to South Africa. I found that you can tell people and they get it. However, some blockheads require a few reminders. I recall that it took Jeff N a few times to get the point.

You mentioned to Walid that Lebanon has never recognized Israel.At some point I would appreciate those who say Palestinians,Lebanons gov.etc.don't recognize Isreal to explain exactly which Isreal they are to recognize since Isreal its self has never declared her borders.Does recognittion include the west bank?Does it include Eretz Israel as many delusional Isrsaels like to think?How can any state recognize another whohas absolutely no defined borders.

Cipora hello Thank you for the enlightened information. I was a bit worried for a moment,and knowing for years how our Jews are not only experts in the diamond business and have been conducting for generations and how important this revenue is for Israel. And that is what is called a "rough diamond" eh? I also read a post by someone here,that nowadays the diamond merchants(ours)also go to India and do business there.You can tell me about it next time. *Manny Thanks*

I know nothing about a church being converted to a bar.My father's family lost a very large farmto the Israelis in 1948.I never cease to be amazed when these idiots from Israel claim the people didn't have to leave.Sure our family said "sure take it guys we've only had it for 7generations,thanks for doing us the favor.

Aaron - that small piece of land Israel ?got? in 48 belonged to Palestinian families (Jewish land ownership 5.8%) who were forced from their homes by pre-planned ethnic cleansing by Zionist militia to create a Jewish majority ? fact. Ref. Ilan Pappe The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine ? too painful a mirror for most on this list to look in. Any overpopulated, under resourced territory under constant military assault, without adequate social infrastructure and free access to markets will inevitably be a mess ? the Jewish ghettos in Europe were not exactly oasis of civilisation. Arabs and Jewish people liven in peace long before Zionists arrived and will do so again when the Zionist mentality is exposed for what it is. For how many decades would you be prepared to live in a refugee camp while foreigners live in your home and harvest your crops?

I will be alittle scarce around here for the next few weeks.I must delve deep into the mysteries of the capitalist sytem and get that invisible hand to guide my ships.So untill then, defenders of Israel, rage on brothers and sisters!! And to our enemies, you may be sure I will be back to unleash the hounds of the Danites upon you.Good luck to all.

From his biography: Alongside the late Joe Modise, then MK (ANC military wing) Commander, and Commissar Moses Mabhida, Kasrils completed a general military course and a military engineering specialist course, graduating from the Odessa Military College in the Soviet Union at the end of 1964. He went on to complete a specialist course in intelligence and a general officers course at Brigadier level. In 1983, Kasrils was appointed Chief of MK Intelligence. He served on the ANC’s Politico-Military Council (PMC) in Lusaka from 1985, of which Joe Nhlanhla was secretary, on the National Executive Committee (NEC) from 1987, and on the South African Communist Party’s Central Committee (SACP) from 1985.

Too bad such acts have become part of your Jewish being. Israel is being more and more assimilated to the oppression of ethnic and religious minorities. The time has come to do something about it, not just talk.

and starts to boycott Israel as well. Surely, it will happen one day.

Emeralds?????????? Yep Paul Harris he is the Saddest Irish Joke I come Accross!!!!

Shaw said, "Whenever and Englishman wants to roast an Irishman, he can always find a second Irishman to turn the spit." Kasrils a comparable flunky for the Jew-haters.

South Africa are Dealing with China who are known to persecute Tibetans and practice ethnic cleansing on them but yet she is crying foul at Israel at the sametime she lets Zim go to waste, and supports that evil little Monster Mugabe furthermore she backs down from tha Hariri tribunal in Lebanon too make matters worse SA turns a blind eye too Darfur and Somalia, they have good relations, why SA can do all this Cos she is too far away from Israel and feels safe heckling her from a continent away, but too her ignorance Israel doesnt attack people for their opinions can we say the same for their Best Buddies up north In Zim????And the sad reality is these hypocrits want too serve on the UN security council with Chinas Backing!!!!! Think about this Haaretz and Ronnie Kasrils is a self hating wretch I will not even comment on.

You are not a palestinian patriot???You are a nervous fellow arent you? Worried about the truth about your real loylties will come out??Please Ibrahim you are taking to me not the Patriot Act Patrol officer.Secondly you know my views on the Palestinian territories.please dont distort in that provocative way to get me going.I always like to answer you, no need for demagogery.As for boycotts, well I tell you what.If these same organisations had a list of 20 others that needed boycotting including Palestine then I would a least be able to say they are genuine in their beliefs and fair about it.But when I read that academics and unions want to boycott the only country in the ME with free trade unions and universities it strikes me as just a wee bit freakish dont you find??PS How do you say cousin male.I know for a woman it is Bint Chalti howabout for a man?? Thanks

One does not have to see Mandela as a god to understand that had he said one word that country would been reduced to ashes in one week.Botha needed him and he needed Botha.They both realised , either democracy or race war was the choice, they both chose wisely.mandela was instrumental in allaying the fear of the whites and allowing for the transition to happen.He laid the ground for a pluralistic and democratic south africa.Remember 25 years in prison makes most people rabid monsters, in his case he came out the good sheppard.If you cant see that then your dogmatism is blinding you, mandelas achievements are indeed great ones.

More pro-zionist illogic. As usual. So, you say the Arab nations want war with Israel, and yet they have lost each and every on of the wars they have had with the Zionists. That makes no sense at all. I have a more logical explanation. Just as battered children often grow up to become violent fathers, Israel is passing on the violence the Jews have suffered to the Palestinians. Thankfully enough, the Jewish violence is nothing like the violence they knew. But it is increasing. It is time to disarm the Zionists now.

You are right in all respects. I include in that your last sentence.

That is the danger to Israel of having fawning, servile diaspora Jews rising to power and hitting out at their own abroad to gain favour of their own local anti-Semites.

I did not see any apartheid in Lebanon. Did you ? And South Africa does NOT remain silent on the genocide in Darfur. You should check your sources !

The unions only control relations with the mine owners. They have absolutely no control over the mines, or the mined diamonds. The mined diamonds belong, exclusively, to the owners. The diamonds are sold exclusively to well established dealers. Israelis and other Jews are known to be among the oldest, most established traders, as well as cutters. Without a first rate cutter, a diamond is worth only a fraction of its price. The major problem facing diamonders is competition. Haaretz, pl post

now I am certain. Yes, let us redefine the world economy via boycotts and move all skilled, high technology, and intellectual endevors to such countries such as South Africa with a large skills pool. For the more labor intensive agricultural market perhaps the world can also ban all Israeli produce and instead rely on imports from such illustrious farming countries as Mugaqbe's democratic and humanistic Zimbabwe. Sounds good to me.

Fox hello A year ago Pete W.Botha came and left a post warning Israelis about the dangers and taking care not ot give in or submit or give any concessions.Uncanny that you mention him in this last post.I was the only one who responded and no one else even bothered to comment. You are quite correct that P.W.Botha had the vision and courage to quit while it was right. But,just look at the country now,and I will not repeat myself having said to Danite already. I like your style,and never get bored reading your responses--unlike our friend dana,and some others,which include Cipora(of course)Danite and even Tosefta(just for the fun of it)providing the response is not over long. One has to lighten up the atmosphere now and again.You do it,while informing at the same time.Love you all my brethren(with the exception of the few).Hey Fox,do you think dana is Jewish eh? I did ask her in confidence(no dice). Best to you and yours

That nincompoop Minister of Intelligence ?????? ( Gosh, he looks like the cartoon character Shrek, ) in the South African cabinet formerly was Minister of Water Affairs. Under his watch there were several thousand cases of Cholera in Kwazulu Natal and more than 1000 deaths. That only comes from drinking contaminated water. What did our Ronnie do about that? Why, meet with Hamas, the Iranian tinpot dictator and spend his sleepless nights worrying about Israel. That's competence and attention to your job for you. The one advantage to Israel about all this is that Kasrils belongs to the opposite side.

This is the South Africa that initiated a 10 year long 'reverse racism' project - which has actually lasted 13 years. Whites can't even get a job if they go against a black. And they won't do a thing about Zimbabwe? South Africa has the power to bring Mugabe to heel, but they don't. What a complete craphole South Africa has become.

so many lines in a single post.

What utter chutzpah. The Brits who locked Jews in detention camps, the soth africans who invented apartheid, are now crying crocodile tears. WHERE WAS THEIR INDIGNATION WHEN THE ARABS MASSACARED ENTIRE JEWISH TOWNS - EVEN BEFORE ISRAEL WAS A STATE WHERE WERE THESE PILLARS OF VIRTUE WHEN THEIR IMPERIALIST EMPIRE SEIZED THE LANDS OF OTHER COUNTRIES HOW CAN THEY EVER LOOK IN A MIRROR - THEIR CHARITY SHOULD START AT HOME

Do I worship Mandela as a G-d? Cant someone say anything good about him with you going into your hysterical anti left world wide hunting expedition? Listen FOX, one word from Mandela and that country would have burnt to ashes, he was instrumental in keeping the peace.Botha needed mandela and mandela needed Botha, they both new what had to be done.If Sout africa is a democracy with a liberal constituiton and hope for a future it is because of Mandelas actions and words when he got out of prison.Easy for you to be flippant, could you control your emotions after languishing in jail for 25 YEARS??? If you dont understand the greatness of his achievement both personal and public you have a very shallow understanding and range of comprehension.As for Mbekis attitudes towards Zimbabwe take it up with him how is it mandelas fault.PS it was mandela who forced Mbeki to wake up and smell the coffee on aids.What utter nonsense FOX, really you are your worst enemy sometimes.

Another words, you want Jews to "Rest in Peace"? And what guarantee do you have that there will be peace? Hamas has a full agenda ....including Europe...

Jan, you actually think that Apartheid no longer exists in South Africa?? Apartheid might be officially taken care off, but in real life, coloured people face discrimination on a huge scale on a daily basis. Secondly, you think Israel has used the Holocaust in order to defend its borders with the arabs?? You are foolish to think so. Have you ever visited Israel or the Gaza strip or the Westbank, the Golan Hights?? I guess not. If you could see with your own eyes the small pieces of land the Jews got in 1948 and if you could see how the land of Israel has flourished since 1948. The muslims/palestinians have done no such thing, Gaza is a mess, the money provided by the EU used to buy weapons. There could have been peace long ago, if only the rich arab sheiks helped out financially. Oppressing the palestinian people became a tool for the arab countries to fight wars with Israel and their goal is to eventually wipe Israel of the world map. Jan, peace is possible, but arabs don't want it

Thanks for the info

Danite, My patriotism is limited to begin with, and what little of it I have, I reserve it for the good old US of A. I still maintain hope that Palestine will emerge in much better shape than they could ever be while under the cloak of Israeli domination. It simply sucks to live as a sub human and that is exactly how the Jews of Israel treat them. It's as simple as that. Now I want to make sure I understand: You believe Israeli policy in the Occupied Territories is legatimate and Israel should not be subjected to boycotts ???? Please elaborate.

"P.S. When people blame Israel of Apartheid, they normally do not refer to the treatment of Israeli Arabs, who are citizens with almost all rights. The Apartheid regime exists in the West Bank and refers to the treatment of the Palestinians." I used to think that was true once upon a time also. Now I'm not so sure whether that's the case as it seems that many people include Israeli Arabs. For an example of a rational person that believes this, you only need to read Walid's postings.

economics is not your forte stick to middle east politics. as far as rolls royce engines and intricately engineered cars south africa has as much chance of manufacturing them as you have of understanding economics.

Good to see you have awakened and joined us from America. Please enough of the Tiveria lie buddy, it is but another of your lies. Regarding the diamond industry, if you actually lived here and befriended someone in the diamond trade, you would have known that much of the diamond trade, the polishing of these gems is now being performed in India. Now go google some update stats from the Indian gov't site and read about the expansion of their diamond business. The new major source of diamonds in the world happens to be Canada, not South Africa. Go google that as well. Maybe we will not have to suffer through your out-of-date stats and illusions. Interesting to read how your latest target are those working in the diamond trade. Who will be your next target for unemployment? I can imagine after Tossi's dream of a world boycott, he will condemn Israel for not providing more jobs for it's population. You disgust me, coward and liar.

hey Chris, sometimes the world just doesn't work the way you wish it would. I have a very close friend in the diamond trade. It so happens that much of the business has already moved to INDIA. Yes India has surpassed Israel. So I guess a boycott of India is approaching, what with Kashmir and the Tamils. Israel was expert in the cutting and polishing of these gems. Today the cutting is done by computer and the polishing is all done in India. Sorry to bust your bubbles, but that is the reality. Think of another commodity that does not throw thousands of Indians out of work, OK?

What I am saying and as any good economist knows. You need a market for the product you are selling. South Africa could easily produce cars, but is there a market for the product, making it economically viable to produce the said product? As for Diamonds there is a huge worldwide market already there. SA mining and then processing the diamonds would then produce greater wealth in SA which could then create a viable market for SA to produce the BMW's etc. Afterall processing diamonds in Israel has created wealth, why not the same industry in South Africa.

hey Danite, I must point out that since I am not a practicing religious Leftist, then I have no inhibitions about questioning the divinity of Nelson Mandela. I admit he was an impressive and just figure, but I will not worship him as a god. It was nice that he did not support terror, the bombings of his own people and innocent whites. But the real hero is actually Botha who felt the time had come to be magnanimous. Mandela gave up nothing and only had to gain, whereas Botha dreamed of peace and gave up a huge amount of power, for an uncertain future. Today South Africa sits quietly to the side condoning the actions of Mugabe who is raping Zimbabwe. Did you know that in 2006 South Africa deported 100,000 Zimbabweans back to that hell hole. Disgusting, especially since half the black pop of SA are also immigrants or sons thereof. I have already mentioned ANC's insane blindness to the plight of their people in ignoring AIDS. 345,640 Aids related deaths last year.

South Africa should have no dealings with an Apartheid regime caught in the act. It goes against history and it goes against common sense. The vast finacial implications for Israel, if a boycott of the diamond trade with South Africa is succesful, could very well make the Israelis stand up and pay some attention. The only reason why Israel is getting away with this, is after all that "good men stayed silent". Speak out and play your part in the boycotting of Israeli goods.

Sean it must be confusing to be so angry. Now you are going to stop buying diamonds from Israel. As if you were planning on buying a diamond on your dime. Get real. Now the confusing part. India a few years ago took over much of the diamond trade. Sadly you may have to boycott India's diamond trade as well. Throw in Belgium while your add it. Sorry for the wake up call, but at Camp David Prime Minister Barak was there to give the Pals 97% of what is often termed Palestine. Charming isn't it, that this group of aboriginal Arabs (Arabs are only aboriginies in Arabia) does not have an Arabic name for themselves. Thought of that, naw, of course not, doesn't fit your narrow minded agenda. I insist that you boycott the South African diamond trade as well, for selling to the Zionists. Sean things are not always as simple as your cute titles for your intense Hatred. Go ahead hate me personally, if that's what it takes to clear your mind. You are a misguided fool.

Thank you for strengthening the Israeli right, the last lefties are waking up already - smart move, SA! We couldn't have done it much better ourselves. Boy, why were you waiting so long?! Cheers! ;-)

"why are they letting the Zimbabwe and other equally dreadful dictatorships who`s treatment of their citizens are so bad,and yet they keep quiet." - Kathy It must look different when a nation does not take proper care of itself (such as in Zimbabwe) and when one nation abuses another. It is also more hopeless to correct the many dictatorships around the world, then to correct the ONE case of apartheid that exists today. Actually, Britain did try to fix the Iraqi dictatorial problem. They will not try again for a very long time. But with Israel the problem is more easily solvable. P.S. When people blame Israel of Apartheid, they normally do not refer to the treatment of Israeli Arabs, who are citizens with almost all rights. The Apartheid regime exists in the West Bank and refers to the treatment of the Palestinians.

yes I can see the future, that fact that you wont dont or cant tells me my predictions are right on.Secondly I didnt say any criticism of israel is hypocritical only when it it is hypocritical.I know you follow the Party line and do your duty as a patriotic Palestinian , I understand and respect that, but I know that we both know the truth.Israel will know what to do with its independance but the genies you let out of the bottle are going to cork the rest of you up for 1000 years , you will never get them back in the bottle. I know you know Ibrahim.Heres another prediction , you are already saying "that danite maniac is right I know it but I cant give the enemy any ammunition so I must play the good soldier" Right? have a good day Sachbi!

It never fails to amaze me how people can be so blinded by their own prejudices to the exclusion of the blatant reality in front of their eyes. The notion that Palestine belongs only to Jews because some people of the Jewish faith lived there thousands of years ago would be laughable if it were not so tragically sad. The boycott actions by SA Trades Unions and that of academics and journalists in the UK is the inevitable consequence of Governments failure to hold Israel to account for its violation of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people. The boycott of Israel is growing and the targeting of the Israeli diamond industry in particular is to be welcomed. The Ireland-Palestine Solidarity Campaign has recently launched a campaign drawing attention to the Israel's domination of the diamond market with the slogan "Israeli diamonds are forever... on your conscience. Israel's policies vis-á-vis the indegenous Palestinian population are unsustainable and shameful.

Danite, Palestine will be just fine once it is freed from the yoke of Israeli suppression and perhaps after some growing pains... Your predictions are more indicative of your ill will towards those who the Jewish people have attempted to dehumanize and expell from their land... Sorry buddy, we chose to stand up and fight for our existence....sorry to inconvenience you and your pretty little picture of Israel. If every criticism of Israel was "hypocritical", I suuppose you would have to be a Mother Teresa before you were allowed to criticise any bloody thing in this world.

Is that part of the brainwashing you must undergo to be in the 'in crowd'? All those Nobel peace prizes indeed and one of your scientists pointed out that parasites always survive their hosts. Very bright man with a scientific explanation for your phenomenon. Nothing to be proud about but continue in your delusions.

south africa would be able to build benz and bmws as well as rolls royce engines?is that what you are saying?

YOU TOO NEED TO READ AND LEARN BEFORE YOU CAST ASPERSSIONS WILLY,NILLY. The palestinians if they are suffering as you suppose,remember it isself inflicted,and nothing connected to Israel what ever. Enough with the twaddle that we get here from the likes of you.Do you not read the papers?I mean the genuine and not the propagandists one from the Pali-cinematography...

diamond cutting is a skill that does not equate with sitting at the cash register at wal marts and tesco. that is why the skill has survived in israel with its high wages.simply not everyone can do it.

I am very pleased to see this concerted action against Occupation being lead by South Africa. I also admire all those Jews and Isrealis who are pushing for change as well. Pleae keep it up.

Your example of an aircraft BMW etc is extreme. These are pieces of engineering and only a limited number of aircraft, cars etc would be produced to provide for South African needs. Diamonds however, could be processed and completed in South Africa and sold in the same numbers now this minute, with the process being completed in South Africa. What is wrong with that? Surely the creation of jobs and wealth using the raw materials to hand is the prime responsibility of any government

Tosefta Please tell me,why are they letting the Zimbabwe and other equally dreadful dictatorships who's treatment of their citizens are so bad,and yet they keep quiet. This I call double dealing and a very insidious behaviour. Granted they had suffered from apartheid,but was a long time ago,and it is history. But,knowing how your thought process works,you will no doubt label Israel of administering an apartheid system which is not true at all. I do not want to prolong this post by naming the very good treatment the Arab Israelis enjoy.You know it and I certainly do.Where is our apartheid? What is their connection with us? if they do decide to cut and run,by boycotting the Israel's diamond connection,then so be it. We'll see if it really comes to pass. Don't you think that this boycott has become a sort of business?From varied places which for now enough!and be nameless. See Tosefta,how one can communicate when post are reasonably shorter?BYE

are that, Intelligent, thoughtful and brilliant. The Girls on your SS site are kids, spoiled brats of the Leftist variety spouting the party line and slogans.But they sure can GOOGLE and quote other people. Nothing original about that.

Shouldn't the ordinary Israeli start thinking a bit more critical of the policies of occupation and oppression of an entire nation? I mean we live in a time when information is widely available thanks to internet, etc. It is possible for an Israeli to be informed either from media or through own experience as how the Palestinians are suffering from the brutal occupation machine of Israel. Every Israeli goes through this in two to three years of national service in the army at checkpoints. I wonder how come that so many Israelis can't see this plain reality. The boykott of this country is mounting and it is because of this harsh reality that Israelis are blind to. It is unacceptable that the occupation just continues for another decade and another. Boykott is the only language that Israel will understand.

In the light of Israel's approved special relationship with the RSA, this union step would be significant.

Israel is paying the price for its inaction when so much was promised after Kadima won elections. Israel must realise the World has double standards and for its own sake and survival do much more in the diplomatic field and at least begin some WB withdrawls. On saying that one wonders if we will hear for a boycott of Islamic aparthied as practices by Saudia arabia and the appalling racism within the Muslim world? Christain liberals are as antisemitic as during the 30s and as Christain myself I have no truck with them for this racist and bigoted stand towards Israel. For heavens sake Israeli government Act with some meaningfull negotiations because the old hatreds this time by so called liberals are still out there. I wish Israel good luck and Gods help.

To the Arabs-All of them- we are simply Jews that occupy and opress them. Whether Left or Right makes no difference. I know that you knew that all along as did I. and I can vouch that we are on opposite sides. To Walid it will not make a difference as you are a Jew and you are part of the Israeli Apartheid system by your support of Israel. And he is talking about pre 1967 Israel. MOTHERS MILK BRAINWASHING.

an airbus.aluminium and steel are all found in south africa.why dont they cut out the middle man?

Danite hello I agree a 100% with Fox. He is atating facts that should be taken in consideration and Fox put it quite plainly what those are.Very true and nothing worthy has been achieved since Mandela was released out of prison.He was hailed a hero.Just that,and since he has not done anything worthy to give credit pertaining his credentials,and regarding what is happening in the surrounding countries.Dictatorships and the prevailing crimes committed by all of them,least of all in his own country. Mandela was/is a figurehead an nothing else. He can afford to be magnanimous to some,and show disdain to others.As with Desmond Tutu! another self satisf Danite,think about not only the very high crime rate-whereby people live behind barbed wired homes.Additionally the AIDS epidemic In S.A and many in the DARK CONTINENT,bears remembering.Fox speaks realistically and does not post a load of waffle.No disrespect to you Danite,not at all.But my thoughts are on a par with FOX

you once misinformed the site tellin us israel received funds from the usa equivalent to usd 50000 for every man woman and child.ludicrous of course. who can take seriously any person who writes such bilge.

You are right, they are not as wicked as YOU believe them to be, they are worse. Just look around. How many teenage girls perish in a fire because they tried to escape without wearing a Chadour while escaping that fire and being herded back in Saudia, How many Honour killings, How many Christian men killed for dating Muslim girls. I can continue but I think I was not harsh enough with the Arabs. Walid you do not need the Jews, you could have nice little massacres all by yourselves and the Jews are just getting in your way. So lets end the Apartheid, the occupation and pay your brethren to VAMOOSE anywhere they please. Could not hack it in Canada so had to go to a 3rd world country to make a go of it?I like the Lebanese but you are just an ARAB.

What does that two parter that fits into one have to do with your views on Hamas, Hizbulla, Jews and Israel. Nothing.You are very good at justifying evil deed towards Jews and Israel but lousy with LOGICALLY SEEING and ANALYZING the TRUTH. What someone calls himself is their business. Your name is not Tosefta or even Ben Gurion but that does not make you either Smart or logical. Just another Scum Bag Jew and Israel hater. Your style and carrying on here are simply childish with the typical temper tantrums thrown in. And your shenanigans with Dana are just scandalous to say the least. Two Arabs stroking each others ego. NOW BE A GOOD BOY and take that FOOT out of your MOUTH.

So South Africa have the raw material, ie Diamonds. Instead of giving those diamonds to Israel to process, why not keep the raw material themselves and process it themselves, and cut out the middle man and keep all the wealth generated in South Africa? You a diamond dealer by any chance? Nothing wrong with my cognitive ability. It's a good idea, must be, you don't like it.

"Exports amounts and all relating to it is understood BUT,if they pursue with this,by jumping once again into the ?band wagon? would they not ?cut their nose to spite their face??" - Kathy Good question, but at the wrong moment. BEFORE the fact you can speculate and say that the SA trade union will not dare to boycott Israel for fear of hurting itself. But since the ARE doing it, the time for speculation is over and an explanation is called for. The boycotters actually are aware of this danger and say that they will suffer in the short term, but will recover over time. Nevertheless, they still want to impose a boycott now. And the simple reason is that we are dealing with South Africans, the people most acutely aware of the evil of Apartheid. They are willing to suffer in order to liberate others from the evil they had to live through.

similarly a boycott of germany would enable south africa to build daimler benz and bmws. a boycott of the uk would enable them to build rolls royce air engines. where would you stop?but then you never did have a high level of cognitive ability old son.

challenged in some way. Yup, the verdict is in. Indeed you are in need of some help. You keep telling me not to post you again, but every time I look on a thread there you are sending me some inane message and you can't remember posts you sent and those you got. Look back on yesterday's thread and see who posted who and on this one you got an answer from that one. Spend your time worrying about Sharon and not about others not your own. You wouldn't know truth if it bit your arse as you believe truth is what you can make the jury believe it is. Gnaw on Natalie for a bit, so she can again whack your arse with her hypocrisy stick. I love it. Until you forget and post me again without Kath's permission. Regards.

Tosefta I shall make it brief,having had enough,and just left the other forum on same subject,it has become an irrelevance. If as you say boycotting by South Africa will hurt the Israeli economy,since the diamond industry is very developed in Israel: Exports amounts and all relating to it is understood BUT,if they pursue with this,by jumping once again into the ?band wagon? would they not ?cut their nose to spite their face?? No need,when push comes to shove,they need the ?dosh?as much Israel needs the diamonds. END

That you think I am other half of the gabe team shows you really dont know the nature of the exchanges me and gabe have, ask him he will vouch for the fact that I am an anarchist saboteur self hating anti zionist Jew.As for your comments it is true most of the trouble comes from the North Africans and overall the lebanese behave like civilised people.How the Quebecois have not "had it with the Jews" we have never troubled them in anyway.Some quebecois have " had it" with anybody not like them.In fact you are no doubt an ex montrealer as you know in the recent poll that 80% of quebecois who had regular interations with jews had favourable opinions of them.How long did you live in Quebec??

I did not invent the story. I heard it from several sources. Several years ago we hosted several South-Africans who were part of a group who stayed at Beit-Berl College and attended a course in several disciplines as public health, social work, etc. You should hear those people talking about their country's problems! Of course you cannot see these things when you go as a tourist.

David Teich, South Africa was not talking to Israel because of its brown eyes but because it needed it to for the arms and for military counseling help in Angola and because the whole world was boycotting SA and only a rogue state would deal with it. Furthermore, Israel who helped South Africa get its nuclear bomb is a good one for complaining about Iran today. And when will you guys allow some freedom of movement to that poor oppressed Vanunu, hasn't he suffered and paid enough? You guys with your prison warden mentality should be ashamed of yourselves.

If south africa has turned into race war loser demented state it is only because of the great wisdom and understanding of Mandela who could have exploded that country with one word out of his mouth.But he pushed for democracy human rights and stability.All south africans can thank their lucky stars for Mandela.Your charicature of him is highly innaccurate and silly.Mandela is in fact a very profound person.Read his biography, it is very interesting to read the debates they had about terror bombings and why they were rejected.Dont be so flippany FOX it often ruins what are otherwise very good posts.Regards by the way!!

for processing? A boycott on Israel would allow the people of South Africa to start their own inustry of polishing diamonds. Infact a boycott on Israel by COSATU would provide a business opportunity for South Africans. The diamonds could even be marketed as such, similar to the Kimberly Certificate.

Yes I defend israel at all costs form illegitimate and hypocritical attacks, thank for the compliments. I also have my eyes wide open about it while yours are wide shut about your tribal entity.Thats why my tribe will soar to new heights while yours will flail about in the muck of medeival obscurantism.Send me a post card from SUNNY PALESTINE!!

WE MUST ELIMINATE ISRAELI APARTHEID IN ORDE TO MAINTAIN CO-EXISTENCE of JEWS with PALESTINIANS That is our goal! Not to destroy Israel - to force it to CHANGE and NORMALIZE it!

Danite hello to the second half of Gabe's team. As to your question about the Arabs, I know you are having problems with them in Québec. I was told it was mostly of North African origin and that these people have been putting up a lot of pressure to have seggregated pools for girls at schools and other such exhorbitant and ridiculous demands. If it was up to me, I would send these people back. I have seen anti-Islamic and anti-Jewish stuff on the same page being circulated on the Internet. Seems the pepsis have had it with both Jews and Arabs there. Also heard about the problem with the French ambulance driver and his ham sandwich at the Jewish General cafeteria. Don't let Gabe talk you into wearing a dress.

Back in the 70s, when boycotting South African products were "in", I recall that the S-A:n Jews were fighting against apartheid and were the only Whites on the Blacks' side in S-A! For their support they, too, got their share of apartheid. Since old habits persist long, I guess the White S-A:n apartheid is still vigourously kicking; Israel is the most convenient target to it today and the PA-conflict gives an excellent outlet for the festering bitter feelings to slash Israel; combined with the joy of sweet revenge for the "old times'sake"!

Dear All I will now have once again to go and read the article.No doubt it will contain the usual diatribe,and coming from a country which is suffering from one of the highest "crime rates" in the world worse than "New York's" had been before Rudi Juliani sorted out the mess. That we should care what South African's unions think or propose should be "WATER OF A DUCK'S BACK" To us in Israel. We do not need any favours from them,and just let them join the "fray"and drinks all around to celebrate this latest.Good luck to you S.Africa..

Do you really want an answer or that was rhetorical question since you answered your own question in the second part of your post. I am personally for two state solution and you are? Why do you think Israel is the only country that needs to be boycotted? Why not China? Israel has been occupying WB and Gaza since 1967 China occupying Tibet since prior to 1959. Israel withdrew from Gaza and ever since there are rockets launched from it. What do you think will pressure Israel more to have Gaza borders, airspace and shores opened and to start planned withdrawal from WB no shooting, kidnapping, and rocket launching or more shooting, kidnapping, and rocket launching. Do you think it is an occupation when in order to kidnap an occupying soldier residence fighters have to dig several hundred meters tunnel and cross the border?

the well known psychiatrist mortimer mackenzie wrote a long piece telling us that those who turn against their own are usually misfits who were bullied at school. who bullied you tosefta.try suing him.

Elvis is dead man, stay buried

Help us to rid ourselves of Zionist Apartheid! Mayibuye Africa, Mayibuye to the son of Abraham/Ibrahim

They condemn the boycott but offer no alternatives... It seems to me the Israel-First crowd is demanding an eternal green light to trample on Palestinian life.

South Africa is still judged by the celebrity status of Mandela. Who became a great man for his funky shirts and saying thank you when Botha gave him the country on a platter. Since then the ANC has been a lousy gov't, supported by those who still consider them to be Mandela. Other than the outrageous stats regarding AIDS, 345,640 deaths from AIDS in 2006 they have accomplished little when it comes to helping their brothers out of poverty. Then there is the sticky question of illegal immigration, a red button issue in the USA at this time. The International Organization for Migration (IOM) recently reported that more than 100,000 Zimbabweans were deported from South Africa last year. These are not illegal Mexicans, coming into the US purely for economic reasons, but Zimbabweans, fellow Blacks, fleeing death, persecution and poverty. South African unions should be aiming their phlegm at Mugabe, and leave Israel to the Brits.

Have you any idea what the basis of this 'occupation' is? You demand a halt without understand the background seemingly. What would you do if your children were suicide bombed and rockets launched daily into your backyard. You would consider it personal if it happened to you but since it happens to some old hook nosed jews half a world away you think it's simple just 'stop it'. You throw words around without understanding the realities. Do you know how stupid you sound?

Danite, I personally don't "allow for discrimination of Israeli Arabs". I think it is as morally repugnant as any other discrimination...but I consider it an internal Israeli matter and it is simply not bad enough to warrant international attention. The good Israeli Arabs have to fight that battle! You are too steeped in a culture of "defend Israel at all costs" to understand my position. Focus more on principles instead of ethnic/religious loyalties...

The secret ingredient in this strange world plan is that you need Jews involved to drive it. Just that little "J" word makes the whole world see their point of view

Dear Yaacov. the only reason why israel is excepting the saudi plan is because there is no one to talk to on the other side(pals) . and because the pals are totally manipulated by the arab world.the only way to reach them is to have peace with the arab world. i think thats whay Mr. Peres after the Saudi plan.

the dutch have were seen to have helped the jews during the bad days.absolute and complete lies.they were among the worst on the continent. their son ben alofs the well known antisemite is a shining example.

Boycott, Sullivan, of a country whose right to exist you do not accept, as it is obvious from your lack of willingness to address the very subject - boycott of the Jewish state of Israel. Do you, Sullivan, object to existence of a Jewish state, an Israeli state, or to the combination of Jewish state of Israel? This is the subject with we must all deal when it comes to dealing with a person like you whose hate of everything Jewish is so obvious.

Gabe, sorry I kept you waiting; I had to first answer some smart Jews and Israelis here. You have been reading too many Ali Baba stories as Arabs are not as wicked as you are making them out to be. And apart from KUTW that is in a class by herself, I don't think your girls are any match for ours at the shalom-salaam.net. But I would like to go back to why you are always bullying some woman or other here. What is it with you?

In s.Africa you only hear Kasrils when he has something to say about Israel. He has won my contempt. Elvis, you say MOST south africans? Most South Africans have little knowledge about what is really happening in Israel. And by the way, you disqualified yourself from any rational debate when you displayed your hatred of the Jews. Irrational.

Why are you trying to be an axss wipe? You do not want to start up with me. Believe me. I know Arabs quite well and it just bugs you that I have been disseminating this information here. You want sympathy for Lebanon than keep it that way. You have not a single iota worth of knowledge about Balestinians ,other that they are Arabs just like you. Absorb them into the Arab landsscape just like we absorbed our own.

It is nice to see that when AIDS is taking the lives of more than 800 South Africans everyday, 99% black Africans, the South African unions are busy coming up with boycott ideas for Israel. Three hundred and forty six thousand, 346,000, dead from aids in 2006 in South Africa alone. Who knows this may be a gift. Less chance of Israelis catching aids from their South African counter-parts. Boycott Pakistan!

Hi Walid, There is no question that the legendary Hydra/Flushman etc. would beat Gabe in the number of personalities it has. But one thing you can say about Gabe: It is impossible to beat him in the size of his brain. Must be the smallest on record.

I can hear you are dancing with glee. Your hatred has so engulfed you that the thought of a humiliated and isolated Israel makes you salivate. Good for you. Boycotts are nothing new to Israel, and we will weather these minor ones as well. Sullivan if the choice is to give into the likes of you and your buddies the pink union leadership, or to suffer rocket attacks. Well I will go with your boycotting. Sure boycotts will cause many Israeli workers Jewish and Moslem to suffer, you will excuse this by claiming the public good. As for myself, I have not heard one good reason from you, to make me believe that peace is that simple. You cannot convince me that the Hamas will turn into Humanists over nite. In the last seven years we have left Lebanon, did not bring peace. We had pulled out of most of the West Bank as you know very well, did not bring peace. We are out of Gaza and it has not brought peace, get it Sullivan? Please convince me that pull-out=peace.

The supposed mass discrimination against israeli Arabs(yes their is some but as much as you claim) is an "internal matter" only you say.Is that to keep the international community from looking to hard at the rampant human rights abuses of the arab world, born of the inherent nature of Arab and islamic culture? You will go the point of allowing for discrimination for israeli arabs in order to allow the arab world to get with far far far worse.You guys should win an award for your cynical self serving attempts to preserve you authoritarian culutres and all theri consequences at any cost.You are such mega hypocrites it is unreal.So Typical, I read you guys like I read the headlines in the morning paper.

Go study the full relations. Israel was one of the first countries to call SA Apartheid and say so in the UN. It did so consistently until shortly after 1973. what happened that year? REmember, you Arabs tried again to destroy Israel. When you failed, you created the Arab Oil Boycott. Lots of countries bowed to oil and stop talking to and doing business with Israel. However, SA didn't. The Arabs were trying to ruin Israel's economy, so Israel had to do business with whomever would do business with us. If you wish to complain about that, look in a mirror.

Union leaders were looking for something to justify their existence for while. Here it is at no cost to them. There are other countries to boycott and UK is one of them but it is too problematic. If you vigorously protest the actions of your own government you might face some domestic problems. Iran already explained to UK who is the boss by repeatedly capturing British soldiers and then using them for reality TV show. Boycotting US is simply unthinkable. Russia will leave you freezing in winter. China will leave you with nothing to wear and with nowhere to send you waste to. Any Islamic country may cause a wave of suicide bombers on subway and there might not be enough Brazilians to kill in response so it lives Union Leaders with a traditional 2000 yeas old villain.

If governments refuse to act to hold Israel to account it is up to people's power. The tribalists who vilify you, do not know the meaning of international solidarity between people. Where once we boycotted Outspan we now enjoy the oranges from South-Africa and spurn Israeli goods until Israel withdraws from the Occupied Territories and allows the Palestinian people to live in freedom in their own state. The calls for boycots will not stop. After 40 years of occupation people around the world are truly fed up. Israel is reaping what it has sown.

As one who lives in Canada and a Jew, we have the pleasure of seeing the effects that Muslim immigration has had here.Security guards in front of synagoges, fire bombings of jewish schools.Yes the Muslims have once again made a "great" addition to our society.Tell me Walid why is it wherever Muslims rub up against no Muslims is their always troubles???

Star of David, I'm not anti-Israel at all. Today's outing was not against Israel at all but against occupation and the apartheid approach was simply the vehicle. Hey I'm in a forum that is 80% Jewish at shalom-salaam.net I don't exactly love Israel but I don't hate it and that should be a good beginning.

Tosefta, and I thought that Gabe had a problem with his multiple personality disorder. I guess your man Zadok/Shylock whatever wins hands down.

To those who oppose the boycott, what is the alternative? Israel continues to ignore international law, dozens of UN resolutions, humanitarian reports, and even calls from her only friend the U.S. This has gone on for decades. In your posts you condemn the boycott and those who support it, yet you offer not a single alternative to ending the brutal Israeli oppression of the Palestinians. Why? Do you support what is being done to them and wish it to continue? Would you have the world turn its head to their suffering? Peace.

You seemed to have changed your anti israel rhetoric quite a bit Walid. I can buy that. Especially since you can see that in the real world, survival and nationalism and political interests and feudalism and tradition and culture and immigration and myriad other factors all have to be considered before one jumps to condemning one's neighbour as apartheidist (I just made up that word), or separatist or even imbecilic (as you wrote much earlier in this forum). Go well and i hope that lebanon sorts itself out and re-establishes itself as an independent riviera of the mediterranean. Israel has no issue with lebanon even tho lebanon has never recognised israel. Your country is simply used and abused by ruthless outsiders fighting their proxy wars at your expense. But then, i am not telling you anything you don't know.

Walid, Lebanon was the the Jewel of the Mediterraean and can be again. Beirut the Paris. Christians can live there again if the terror groups such as Hezbollah will allow the government to rule as a democracy. Think how the ME would flourish if the Jihadists could maybe get a real job.

John, I believe we had started this discussion a few months back and you had given me the name of the village where the church was converted to a bar. The confiscation was wrong and there are still confiscations going on, today they call it annexation but it is hoped that a final settlement one day would include a provision to compensate people such as you. I don't want to sound like I'm belittling what happened in 48 but while there had been wrongdoings on the Jewish side, there were also some on the Arab. I'm sorry about the loss of your family's property and I hope some day amends will be made. Please bear in mind that from the days of 48, both Jews and Arabs were not told the total truth.

Your heart is in the right place. If only your sentiments could be found in the places, where it matters most, Israel's leadership. I am in favour of a boycot, but always keeping in mind and regretting that it may harm the people of good will like you.

The more Israel is boycotted, the more compelled Israel will be to change her dispicably racist ways. Let's be clear: Israel's systematic discrimination against her non-Jewish citizens is an internal matter and the international community should not get involved. But Israel's systematic occupation and colonialization campaign in the West Bank and Gaza NEEDS TO BE COMBATTED and the international community can help. Boycotts are non violent in nature. The Israel-first crowd should stop whining.

Spewing the same rhetoric that goes nowhere. Your allegations are so groundless they can only be taken with a sense of humour. South Africa will boycott. Deal with it.

Here, oh garrulous one, is atypical example of your successful approach to ME politics: You dribble some long-winded argument about isolating israel and end it: "It`s that simple." Tell me, how come the Administration has passed you over for the top job in the senate??? I know, mate. Bloody anti-semites, that's what. You see, "Yaakov" that's the rubbish i say you continually write.

Star of David, someone asked me that same question this morning about such practices in Lebanon and other Arab countries and I had said that I agreed that a slap would be in order only from the Europeans but not from the Americans who have lost all credibility here because of Iraq. As to what is happening in the camps, it is very sad but it goes way beyond what you are grasping from a 40 seconds clip on your newscast. It's hard to distinguish the good guys from the bad guys these days and this is more so from the articles that Seymour Hersh is writing about in the New Yorker Magazine. You cannot boycott us anymore than we are boycotting ourselves with our idiotic internal problems. Tourism is very big here. We have beaches and mountains and a sea and skiing and nobody has been coming since last July's war. You could always say you would have come as a tourist but decided against it just to break my heart.

Being an ex south african (i am proud of the word ex - and the small letters of S.A) i do not expect anything better from a bunch of rabid, aids festering, uneducated lunatics who during the 70's did the same things as the rabid, aids festering, uneducated lunatics we call Arabs, are doing today. As someone earlier stated, let them drown in their own aids!

In the following, I will give examples of our local hydra`s depth of understanding of issues, especially in real time. The hydra was previously known as Shylock, Zadok the Priest, and various other names. Today it is known as the verbally diarrhetic flushman, harzion, yirmiyahu, yirmi, and who knows what else. Here is what I wrote in the past: Zadok the Priest is also known as Nathan der Weise, Shylock, and Fagin. His style is ugly, full of venom. And he is obsessive to a sick degree. People get tired of this, stop communicating, and the guy has to look for a new identity to fool the innocent. I made it a policy to ignore the man, mostly not read, and never respond to his posts. Am going to continue with this scheme. The good thing about the silent treatment is that you gain time and lose nothing. Zadok/Shylock is peculiarly unable to "read" reality. He can read and quote books, although not evaluate their quality, but what do you do with current events where the book hasn`t been written yet? His own comments on events are painfully naive and shallow, as the following examples will show. 1. "why deal with hizbollah when we have them on the run?" - July 15 Who would imagine Hizballah is "on the run" just 3 days after the initial attack? Just because they wisely move to their bunkers doesn`t make them runaways. Silly, and typical. 2."since we have world enough and time let the army tie loose ends before it does hizballah." - August 1 This is the dreamy explanation given as to why IDF ground troops were hardly used for the first 2 weeks, in what could be the only realistic achievement of the war, a sufficiently wide security strip. 3."what is olmert guilty of? starting a war?but all haaretz journalists including aluf benn supported a war against hizballah." - August 24 How about conducting a war ineptly, and without achievable goals? And if most people supported the war, should the leader be excused for following everybody? In any case, Olmert decided on the war before people knew what was happening. How shallow can one be?

You may not understand why the partition was refused however it ts very simple.Example:My father's family owned a very large farm in what is now Israel.We owned that farm for 7generations and it was confiscated.Do you honestly believe they should have said "sure,go ahead ,take our way of life and making a living away"?

Good to hear from you. I apologise if i don't meet your stringent code for replies, but where exactly do you stand as a lebanese whose country is practising apartheid and state sponsored racism against the the poor palestinian people they are holding in camps.for 40 years. Without rights. Without citizenship. without a chance of intergating into the lebanese economy pre and post hariri. As well, we see pictures of lebanese army troops trying to massacre a small group of refugee freedom fighters. We need to boycott Lebanon (what exactly do they produce, by the way??) for its racism and religious and ethnic profiling and its gross discrimination. What do you say, cobber?

Sanction against Palsetine,Iran and Darfur.Is it effective? Is a real joke!!! So what difference is this boycott??? Just laugh it off. Someone is just trying to gain some political mileage!!!

on politics she at least is pretty but your star has faded long ago.put on your makeup and stay at home.

Israel desperately needs to be saved from itself so I soundly approve boycotts and divestments. The world is out of patience with Israel's war mongering in the Middle East. The brutal occupation and oppression of the Palestinian people must be forced to an end by the outside world as Israel apparently has no moral core to provide them with the ability to save themselves.

Jewish state of Israel whose right to exist he does not recognize. He will probably respond to this post, asking me to prove my point. Well, Sullivan, in your response simply say: yes, I do recognize the right of Israel to exist. But, having read a number of his posts, he will refer to mine as a pathetic post and that will be the response to the constant abusive approach he takes towards us Jews and our state, the state of Israe, the only one we have.

ISraelis and palestinians or dare i say arabs(Ismailites,midianites,Edomites,mobites,ammorites,Israelites e.tc) all share one thing "BLOOD".They are all either the Sons or relatives Abraham.They have lived,fought and feuded for a long time( But don't all relations?) so if this people think that they have discovered the " magic solution" then let them try it . You cannot solve an issue between blood brothers you will lose out in the end.Let the sons and relatives of Abraham sort out their issues their own way don't jump into the fray foolishly.

It has gotten to the point where even a zionist warhorse like Shimon Peres is calling for Israel to accept the Saudi proposal. Through all the shrill banter and hype, calling the actions of the Brit. Teachers Union and now SA unions, anti- semitic, scandalous and the rest of it, one can see that Israel does see the writing on the wall. Its occupation is no longer sustainable. it will fail and Israel can jeither leave all of the WB, East jerusalem and the Golan, and recognise a Palestinian State, along with recognition and diplomatic relations with the rest of the Arab world or it will atrophy and find itself facing the same fate as South Africa. It's that simply. Either an isolated regime supporting the ilk as the colonists of Hebron or peace with its neighbours.

...and Israelis bulldozed 420 palestinian villages and the CEMETERY of each.P.M.Begin wrote proudly about doing so.

Star of David, I'm trying to speak to as many people as possible to hear some Israeli opinions about the occupation, but these are very rare. I don't mind hearing from you in Perth bit I'm more interested in the local Jewish opinion. I have been quoting from various articles in little bits and pieces or "bites" as you say because the space to write here is very limited. And the Aisha thing is most probably cross-dresser Gabe in another dress.

the hamas apologist syed tosefta insists israel retreats from the hills of the west bank and stay on the coastal plain. aint going to happen oh ya apologist.israel will keep the high ground and not cede it to the barbarians.

I thought that picking on women was an Arab trait.But they do much more then just pick on them. You sure wrote a whole bunch of fairy tales while waiting, another Arab trait (fairy tales -not waiting) I do like quite a few of the fairer sex here KUTW is one Klaudia, Kath, Jasmine Murphy, Flower in LA,Linda Rivera,Evelyn in Canada, Gina, Cipora JK are others that I enjoy reading and I am sure I missed a few. ALL ARE EXCELLENT POSTERS WITH INTERESTING IDEAS unlike the "females" at SS.I also like CHGODMK and Ronnie is coming along and even Peter of Montreal. You have been a BIG disappointment and turned out to be an extremist Arab like the rest of you. Charming when need be but always with a knife in wait to stab us in the back. And I thought that you were someone who was different and who could be trusted. DISAPPOINTMENT!!!!!!

sorry syed tosefta south africa will not do anything that will hurt its own economy.

Joshua Rosenburg, you are not alone in Israel sincerely looking for peace, there are many Israelis of good will like you. You will find that among the Arabs, there are also ones equally looking for it. Shalom.

The hypocacy here is staggering.The South African trade unions prefer to support terrorists while ignoring the real human tragedy next door in Zimbabwe.

I hope Israel reads the writing on the wall and dismantle the Occupation of the West Bank with its apartheid regime instituted to protect the settlers. We can stop now or we can stop after the rest of the world (minus the US) turns against us, as it turned against South Africa. A boycott by South Africa will hurt the Israeli economy, since the diamond industry is very developed in Israel: "[Diamond industry] exports amounted to $7.51 billion in 2001, producing about 80 percent of the world output of small polished stones, which comprise most of the gems used in jewelry settings. It is also responsible for 40 percent of the polishing of diamonds of all sizes and shapes, making Israel the world's leading diamond-polishing center in terms of both production and marketing." - Israeli Foreign Ministry Of course, more than the damage to the economy, this boycott will be a moral blow of unpredictable dimensions. Let us wake up from the nightmare of messianic Greater Israel.

Zebulonguy, I answered Gabe who masquerades under different personas such as Fawaz, Drora, GL, Hanem, George Haddad, Udi but Haaretz did not find my post fit to print.

"But ending the occupation and reavching a final settlement of the Isral-Palestine conflict will deflate much of the air that is supporting a radicalisation of elements in the region". Which occupation? Secondly, no matter what agreements are settled with the palestinians it will make absolutely no difference to the stability of the ME. None.

you seem to have gone a little quiet all of a sudden. Hope you are keeping well. PS I LOVED ayesha's comments on you speaking in "soundbites"!! Spot on!! :)

Librals in SA are concerned about problems that the PALS created, why?? SA has so many social and healh problems our countries idiot president wants to send 10 billion dollars to help fight aids! I am joining a grass roots organiation here in te US to make sure we do not send any money to Africa, period.

I understand what I have said is simplistic in terms of the world view. You could take an entire talkback up trying to explain the Palestinian Israeli conflict. The thing is people see things in simplistic terms. If watching Osama Bin Laden or any of his henchmen excusing terrorism for the West's support for Israel, people are going to start to take notice, rightly or wrongly. Afterall what we all have in common is we want to keep our chidren to have long and peaceful lives. Take care

It is not clear to me why you refer to Walid the way you do. Are you a Palestinian, ya ahi? If you are, I really appreciate your post to him, having left Lebanon a few years ago.

Gabe, what is it with you picking on women all the time and now you are doing it to Esther in your Drora dress. Do you ever have anything positive to say to anyone about someone? I have been waiting for you.

Internationally, in academic and labour organisations. Israel is being held to account. Cries will go up that this is anti-semitism, that it is neglecting other regimes, ie Darfur, Tibet, that Israel is being singled out for criticism. But never will you hear the apologists ask why are so many around the world finally comoing around and asking themselves questions about Israel's 40 yr occupation and the effects it is having throughout the ME. Is Israel the only source for instability in the ME? Of course not. But ending the occupation and reavching a final settlement of the Isral-Palestine conflict will deflate much of the air that is supporting a radicalisation of elements in the region.

has never, ever set out to take over territory for its own sake, never set out to obtain natural resources, never set out to rule over anyone. Such acts are simply not part of our Jewish being. Fundamentally, all that Israel has ever done, with many errors, with many short comings, has been to defend its existence and to defend its people. It the Arabs in general and Palestinians in particular internalized that we are here by right, non of the conflicts would come about and non of the suffering will be present. Yet, to this day the leadership of the Arabs in general and Palestinian Arabs in particular refuse to accept the fact that we are here by right and all that we do is defending this right to live in our ancestral homeland. It is time you talk to your Palestinian brothers instead of constantly blaming us for the stupidity of your own leaders. Enough, enough.

Zebulonguy, I answered Gabe who masquerades under different personas such as Fawaz, Drora, GL, Hanem, George Haddad, Udi but Haaretz did not find my post fit to print and now since you seem to care, perhaps also under Zebulonguy.

Joe, about the wall, it isn't about security. The Guardian wrote about the wall among other things: Comparisons between white rule in South Africa and Israel's system of control over the Arab peoples it governs are increasingly heard. Opponents of the vast steel and concrete barrier under construction through the West Bank and Jerusalem dubbed it the "apartheid wall" because it forces communities apart and grabs land. Critics of Ariel Sharon's plan to carve up the West Bank, apportioning blobs of territory to the Palestinians, draw comparisons with South Africa's "bantustans" - the nominally independent homelands into which millions of black men and women were herded. An Israeli human rights organisation has described segregation of West Bank roads by the military as apartheid. Arab Israeli lawyers argue anti-discrimination cases before the supreme court by drawing out similarities between some Israeli legislation and white South Africa's oppressive laws. Desmond Tutu, the former archbishop of Cape Town and chairman of South Africa's truth and reconciliation commission, visited the occupied territories three years ago and described what he found as "much like what happened to us black people in South Africa".

You know that your pronouncements here as on that SS site are nothing but lies and innuendoes.The Balestinians have been treated with utmost kid gloves in comparison to their vicious games of killings and maiming. There is no discrimination in Israel today against the Arabs but there is against Jews. Arab villages on Jewish land have been legitimized instead of sending the Arabs back to Egypt and Syria their homeland. The standard of living of the Israeli Arab is 10 fold of that of its brethren in neighbouring states. They have freedom of speech and expression which they abuse at a drop of a hat. Walid cut the proverbial crap and return to SS or reality , whichever comes first.

Your posts are becoming increasingly amusing. When you asked Avihu why it was necessary to oppress the Palestinians, you seem to have forgotten the palestinan refugees in your own country who you have refused to accept, help or integrate. Are you so full of arrogance that you cannot see this?

Do Algeria and Darfur ring a bell???I suppose you would blame Israel too, and oh by the way what is your country prepared to do to preserve Jewish Life if their wasnt an Israel? You are just looking for something to blame extremism cannot be blamed on anyone but the extremist himself wether he is Jewish or Muslim, dont you think they all have their own agenda???

MORAL EQUIVALENT. To esther this is OK. Trade off settlements=qassams=boycott. All is honkey dorey as long as not my house. Right Arabist esther? Do you do any broadcasting?

bugger. When you say "jewish Shekel" as the currency of Israel in American congress pockets, do you include those 25% arabs who are israelis as well? Or do you postulate that there is a different currency used by the arabs in israel? The "muslim arab shekel" in American Congress pockets? For do not the israeli arabs also contribute to the israeli economy??? Poor thing. This writing business can get so confusing.

Joshua Rosenburg, you are right to be against the occupation but Islamic fundamentalism has nothing to do with Israel being there or not. It is something that was bound to happen irrespective of Israel's existence since you now have it in countries where they don't know where Israel is located on a map although it is being used in an opportunistic way by local militants to fire up the poor and ignorant masses and it is very wrong and giving a distorted view of Islam. May your family and all families stay safe.

If you are Jewish my friend, then my grandmother is a Lama. That wasn't one of your better disguises was it?????

Supporting Jacob Zuma in his presidency bid, I hear Libya and that lot are involved too, gee I hope SA are awaiting their own new dictator with the same intellect as Mugabe, please clean your own laundry and then talk about peace and justice, as far as I am concerned SA didnt make an effort to help in the peace proccess but keeps on wetting their nappies at Israel.

The Bantu tribes that(These are the local black ethnics there) that came to the southern tip of Africa 400 yrs. ago, dispossed another indegionous group called the "Hotentots". Any notion that only Caucasians can be imperial colonialists is simply a racist notion.

Avihu, you said: "We have been there before, and we shall never be there again!!!" I'm wholeheartedly with you on that wish and may it never happen again to anybody else, but why is it necessary to oppress the Palestinians in the process? Is it vengeance or something like that?

islamofacist tendencies, when Israel even offered a hand, but being your friends you taught them to bite it, so SA took sides with Israel Consequently!!!!and oh how are the pallie kids in tripoli you keep on killing delibratley by shelling the whole place???

It seems the time has come for the USA and other friendly democracies to stand up to this spate of threatened and actual trade and academic embargoes on Israel and take steps to warn those counties institutions that similar retaliatory measures will be taken against those bodies and/or countries which allow such boycotts aor trade embargoes to go ahead. It is time that democratic countries who understand the right of the Israel to peaceful borders and otherwise the right to protect itself whilst negotiating for peaceful resolution without the threat of discriminatory and undemocratic embargoes or boycotts.

Unlike John and his lot who are stoned out of their marbles while they get dhimmified.

As an israeli i agree they should boycot Israel. What is going on here is exactly what happend in South Africa although the Israeli goverment is in denial. israel is becoming an anti democratic country. Only yesterday we see the Ultra Orthadox threatening violence against the gay parade denying other people their right to freedom and democracy.

You hit the nail on the Head!!!without the help in the diamond trade South Africa is buggered and will go down like any other banana republic in Africa, I hope I am in Israel by then!!!!hahahaha

Thank you Lindiwe for that lovely comment, yes you are so right that the Jews have helped the black people of this country, I could give you lots of examples, but to keep this short, I will mention an organisation called Tikkun, they are very involved in providing schools, money and any help that is needed to the black community. This organisation is run by JEWISH people, and I believe there are also some israelis involved in this organisation. But I guess this kind of thing is conveniently overlooked by people who only know to point fingers at the Jews and Israel as a whole!

He will just join Hezbollah and fire katyushas from towns and villages at Israel hehehehe

You making me impatient too leave allready, I have to put up with Madishas and kasrils,Donnas and all types of morons,hey???maureen anne will feel at home in SA!!!!!LOL

You keep speaking in soundbites from the popular media (evil occupation, campaign against israel,threat to other muslims, assault on the E West bank and so on and on and on....) Do they do all your thinking for you?

And Donna and every Israel basher comment!!!!!!!!

Israel is all the contrary of apartheid. The country has people coming from all places and all religions. If the only thing that makes people think its the wall, then I can tell them, that the only reason the wall is there is to stop terrorists from entering Israel. Just look at the statistics. since the actual wall was built, not one single successful suicide attack was made on Israeli territory.

Pot Calling Kettle Black, Gary an Ignaromous what about you and your biased approach too this conflict??and oh have you apologised to the Lebs and Greeks that you attacked on Cronulla beach?

That Islamic fundamentalism was caused by Israeli occupation of Palestine. That the way to defuse Islamic Funamentalism and thus protect their wives and children is to ensure a fair solution to the Palestinian people. The problem is the Jews will never give away anything even if it is not theirs in the first place. It is also apparent that if our government's won't do anything then the people will. If protecting my children makes me an anti semite. Then that is what I am, but at least my children are alive and will live to grow up.

experience he will tell you, of course. Ask a Jew if he can smell anti-Semitism and he too will tell that he can, even when it is covered as "anti-Zionism" "anti-Israel" and "anti-Israeli policies", and he too smell this stench and knows to identify it based on experience. No amount of "intelligent explanations" can cover up how we, Jews in general, and especially the Jews of Israel feel when people are obsessed with spewing hate and venom at our only home, and try to demonize it - a liberal democratic state. We have been there before, and we shall never be there again!!!

Despite the fact that Falashas and Arabs vote, serve in the same units and platoons as other Israelis in The IDF,despite the fact thatIsraels efforts for a peacefull resolution are shunned by arafat and his gang,So bear in mind when a peacedeal was about to be struck the Arabs launched the second intafada, Not Israel, Despite the fact arabs kill their own who befriend Jews and Israelis, I wonder If Non white South Africans stooped low enough to their own lot who befriended whites and got help from Black Sash etc????

I suggest Maureen Ann you take a breather from your Israel BASHING and perhaps DIRECT your anger at the Sudanese Government. Nearly 200,000 people have been slaughtered, with more starvation and desease. So please STOP YOUR BS about Israel and ask the South African Government to LAYOFF Israel, and help the people of Darfur. For your infomation Israel has sent aid to Darfur.

israel...wake up and make sure you can always defend yourself.... the world is a sick place this and uk "academic" boycotts are a sign that evil and ignorance are prevalent everywhere

You say ... " Peace will come only when the Congress pockets are not filled with Jewish Shekel . " LOL LOL Where on earth do get such stupid ideas ? Never mind, I know. The leftist media machine and the academics are busy perpetrating this nonsense as a diversion from the ghastly TRUTH. In truth , its the Saudis that own Washington ( the State dept GUARANTEED). The war in Iraq is being fought on the behalf of the Saudis, the USA military is being used as a proxy. Saudis HATED Saddam after he invaded Kuwait and wanted him permanently out of the game. 90 % of the suicide bombers in Iraq are NOT Iraqis - they are Saudis!Iranian militias have total control of Southern Iraq already. Different factions currently control the oil field security, the customs and ports and the smuggling operations. Recent article in the Guardian( leftist paper) noted the Iranians could take over completely in about half an hour without sending in their army.You're a fool to fall for the antisemitic propaganda !

Jane, the same article goes to to ask a question being asked here by many Jews: Jane, the article goes to to ask a question being asked here by many Jews: "Like the struggle against apartheid, the struggle of the Palestinian people against Israeli occupation of their country enjoys enormous support from the global community," he said. "Therefore a more concrete expression of this support by global societies to this campaign is timely and fitting." Anglican, Presbyterian and other churches have backed sanctions against Israel. Last year, one of the UK's university teaching unions endorsed a boycott of two Israeli universities, before reversing its decision amid a torrent of criticism over the reasoning behind the move. The Israeli government has condemned boycotts as anti-semitism and an attempt to "delegitimise" the Jewish state. It asks why only Israel, a democratic country, is singled out for sanctions. A few protests are not a bandwagon, but underpinning Israeli hostility is a fear, expressed in a secret Israeli foreign ministry report, that Israel's standing abroad could sink so low in the coming years that it might find itself on a collision course with Europe which could see Israel as isolated as the apartheid regime and with serious economic consequences.

You really are getting carried away with all sorts of wild statements. you have NO CLUE about the pals and the Middle East history other than what you read in your local paper or imagine in your warped mind. And as to being a racist, I provide counselling to aboriginals.

Came About Because The Black Orginisations Sided with Arabs!!!Have You Heard That My Enemies Friends Are My Enemies?And My Enemies Enemies Are my Friends???

Jane of Pretoria, the lady doth protest too much, methinks. What say you about what Chris McGreal wrote last year: As far back as 1961, Hendrik Verwoerd, the South African prime minister and architect of the "grand apartheid" vision of the bantustans, saw a parallel. "The Jews took Israel from the Arabs after the Arabs had lived there for a thousand years. Israel, like South Africa, is an apartheid state," he said. It is a view that horrifies and infuriates many Israelis. Many Israelis recoil at the suggestion of a parallel because it stabs at the heart of how they see themselves and their country, founded after centuries of hatred, pogroms and ultimately genocide. If anything, many of Israel's Jews view themselves as having more in common with South Africa's black population than with its oppressors. Some staunch defenders of Israel's policies past and present say that even to discuss Israel in the context of apartheid is one step short of comparing the Jewish state to Nazi Germany, not least because of the Afrikaner leadership's fascist sympathies in the 1940s and the disturbing echoes of Hitler's Nuremberg laws in South Africa's racist legislation. Yet the taboo is increasingly challenged. As Israel's justice minister, Tommy Lapid, said, Israel's defiance of international law in constructing the West Bank barrier could result in it being treated as a pariah like South Africa. Malaysia's prime minister, Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, has called for a campaign against Israel of the kind used to pressure South Africa.

The Silence On Mugabe Who Rapes And Kills His Own, The Worlds Highest Crime Rate Where Rape Is Even A Sport Too Many, Do You See Israelis Running Around Raping Pallies Or Eachother???Or Do You Feel Safe Walking Around At Night??? We Israelis Do, Just Because We Jews Can Turn A Success Of Our Own Country And You Stuffed Yours Up Dont Come Whining On A Biased Level! Sorry Haaretz But I am Tired Of Tardiness From Fellow South Africans ONCE A SABRA ALWAYS A SABRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thinking that not all lebanese were numbskulls. Israel? Apartheid? Do you read the beiruti papers, mate? They like the pals in their camps in lebanon do they? The disgraceful lebanese tanks and artillery trying to slaughter a small group armed with mortars and small arms.... Lebanon is a rogue state. We should boycott it beause it dares to contain those who would destabilise or destroy it. How come lebanon has not integrated these pals into lebanese society? For over 50 years? Apartheid? Racism? Religious separatism? Why do the Leabnese hate those palestinian refugees in the camps? Lebanese around the world have people like you to thank for their bad image. Can't hear you, Walid.......

Realist, you said: "Their struggle was for equal rights." This is what the Palestinians are asking for and for the oppressive occupation to stop. I'm not against Israel, just against its occupation. Stop being so defensive and look at your evil occupation in the face.

It is refreshing to see that others in the world that include Jews see what the occupation is all about. Israel can hide behind the 9/11 and that idiot Bush's war in Iraq against "Terrorists" for so long. Sooner or later the rest of the world will come along. It is too bad that the American Congress is so stupid that they don't see forest from the trees. Peace will only come when the Congress pockets are not filled with Jewish Shekel

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Sorry, but your views are absolutely ridiculous. How Jewish is your Jewish state in which a large part of the population are Muslims with Israeli citizenship? Furthermore, just because I was opposed to the actions of the Soviet communist regime doesn't mean that I hate Russians. On the contrary, I've got Russian friends. So being opposed to the actions of the state of Israel doesn't mean that someone is anti-semitic. As far as I am concerned (and I'm sure I'm not alone here) it is absolutely legitimate to criticise the counter terrorist actions of Israel, especially because the Israeli-palestinian conflict affects all people in the Western world as well. Accusing people who criticise the actions of your state of anti-semitism is just a pathetic way of trying to muzzle them.

Clearly they know it was the Palestinians who worked soooooo hard to end Apartheid. NOT! But really, if they think for one minute the Palestinians are victims of apartheid, they have either very short memories or a very poor grasp of THE FACTS.

Dunny budgies to you too! Mate!

SA never had suicide bombers, rocket attacks, shooting attacks (though they have those now!), and neighbouring states calling for the country to be wiped off the map! The ANC with few exceptions followed a policy of attacking military / strategic targets only, and of not targetting civilians - though there were some notable exceptions. Their struggle was for equal rights, not to destroy and overwhelm a sovereign state. Any comparisons between SA and Israel are disingenuous and show a profound ignorance.

South African Intelligence Minister Ronnie Kasrils and his useless organisation Not In My Name just goes to show what lengths these self hating jews who they themselves are nothing but Anti Semite Left Wing Liberalists. They think by keeping on the good side showing how much they care about the Palestinians will make them feel part of the crowd. Truth is they SUCK ! Ronnie Kasrils you and that other piece of crap Willy Madisha from the South African Trade Unions (Cosatu) will see that your interference in things that have absaloutly nothing to do with you, will backfire. We will see to it that South Africa and Britain will be hit by counter boycotts until your very small minority liberalist members of these racist facist unions and organisations learn a lesson. Nobody follows your stupid ignorant boycotts as has been proved by The British Journalists Boycott that fell flat on it's face. Take that as your first point of REALITY !

The Christian church was at the forefront of Aboriginal "integration" into White society! You may not be aware that Jews were also among the prisoners on the First Fleet, 1788. Your sweeping accusation of, "you and your ilk hunted them as sports," is the remark of an ignoramus! You give your address as Adelaide, and as you seem to be a supporter of Australian Aboriginals, why not protest against the Haliburton train that transports uranium between Adelaide and Darwin? Protest the uranium mining on Aboriginal land! Protest John Howard's proposed Uranium waste dump on Aboriginal land! Protest American Secret Bases in Aboriginal Australia! Now Gary, when you have done all that, perhaps you can learn of Aboriginal Spirituality. It will heal your racist views, the same racist views that allow you to believe Palestinian people, the indigenous of Palestine, do not have the right to exist on their land. I wish you peace and good luck with your protests!

Johnny, you are right about some of Islam getting out of hand, not just in Europe but I hear Canada is also starting to experience some unpleasant effects from holy rollers that are equally a threat to other Muslims who are law abiding citizens. Your description of the doom and gloom to befall on me is very dramatic; you should take up writing.

on the verge of committing Indonesian army thugs for war crimes. I am optismitic that at least some of your murderers will face justice. Only the beginning. There are petitions around about how your thugs got the UN to approve your colonialist takeover of Papua.A "referendum" of 1200 terrified prisoners out of a population of 800,000 Papuans. Justice will come to you I am optimistic. FREE PAPUANS FROM ISLAMOFASCIST CONVERSION BY THE SWORD

causing my people to live like slaves in Lebanon, driven by our brothers, the Arabs of the Lubnan.

I think South Africa wants to get the support of the World Progressive Nations (as some states like to be refered to)+of course the Muslim states . I dont think Black South Africans, as such, are terribly in love with people of Indian Subcontinent Heritage and Muslims .(they never ever have ) They are overwhelmingly Christian and love their Religion . A large and influential Church in South is the Zion Church in former Transvaal Province .This church is not very pro Muslim. Since the 1940s when the Zulus rampaged in Natal against the "Indian" heritage people, there has been a healthy respect towards the Zulus by them. The main Minister in Pres Mbeki office is Mr Pahad, his ex London Room mate(or Landlord -Im not sure exactly) who is a Muslim.He wields tremendous influence. Mr Kasrils is not the Foreign Minister so I dont know where he comes in- apart from the fact that he was born Jewish and so is a good agent to persue the Anti Zionist agenda for the Security Council Seat

Realist, thank you for your support. Since you liked the part about the dark people, here is some more of it for your enjoyment: In 2004, Ronnie Kasrils visited the Palestinian territories to assess the effect of Israel's assault on the West Bank two years earlier in response to a wave of suicide bombings that killed hundreds of people. "This is much worse than apartheid," he said. "The Israeli measures, the brutality, make apartheid look like a picnic. We never had jets attacking our townships. We never had sieges that lasted month after month. We never had tanks destroying houses. We had armoured vehicles and police using small arms to shoot people but not on this scale."

Not such a bad idea after all to boycott Israeli goods, Italy should do the same

Arab-IL dispute is not about occupation of West Bank, Gaza or Golan Heights; it's about occupation of ANY territory on which IL stands. Since its founding some 60 years ago, IL has been the target of a genocidal Jihad by the forces of Arab Imperialism that view ALL of IL as occupied territory ("Dar-ul-Islam"). If IL were to return to pre-'67 borders, it would render itself instantly indefensible against such genocidalism. 80% of IL's population would turn into a "Sderot" and the country would become unliveable and unsustainable. This is exactly the Arab plan, and that's why they are pressuring IL to retreat from strategic territories - not for Peace, but in order to strike the Jewish national homeland with the final blow! If these IL-boycotters understand this, then they are guilty of same genocidal designs against 6 million Israeli Jews. If they don't, they better educate themselves. BTW, does the figure 6 million ring a bell?

Youur Brother has a right to his opinion but as such should have enough guts to take the heat. If that is what he believes. To believe you are part of a nation that has no right to self determination is a twisted thought. In fact, your brother reminds me, of the 17th century Court Jews of Europe. The damage they caused and the damage your brother is trying to cause is no different than an enemy. It's really sad, that some who is "proud" of his identity would want to destroy it. To put it simply, its twisted thought.

honestly, south africa is a crime ridden 3rd world country which should certainly concentrate on their aids problems rather than what happens in the middle east.

One of the Biggest Dangers to Western Prinicples of Democracy particulary free speech. Is when a person (Jan) at best shows her complete ignorance of a particular situation. At worst, using the power of free speech for hateful purposes. In this day in age the common expression " Ignorance is Bliss" doesn't hold true. In fact, ignorance today is what fueling destructive forces, in the world, such as Islamic extremism. Finally, Europeans should take a real hard look at themselves and then think twice before talking. Africa and the Middleast were carved up and regimes were created. Its amazing the countries who created this mess about 150 years ago, are all of a sudden have become, self annointed, moral authority. Europe has withdrawn from its colonies but the mind set of being a colonial power hasn't.