Settlers attack UN personnel near southern Hebron Hills

From another post - "Amira Hass, to those that don`t know, is a leftist radical wacko who hates herself because she`s a Jew... So she goes around the "territories" (Judea & Samaria) and spreads hate & propaganda against the Jews who live there" Apologists for the State of Israel as it currently behaves are going to have to come up with something a lot more convincing than the usual clapped-out shrill cries of 'anti-semitism' and 'self-hating Jew' (what utter toss!!) to explain away outrage over their State's actions. The game is up, lads, the world sees this neo-colonistaion for what it is.

...responsibility. See my note #406 to Vera. They act in your name: they are your responsibility.

Lets start with our media and let it SINk into the reality of the world media that there is NO WEST BANK there NEVER was ANY WEST BANK and that they can fabricate and apply imaginary places and fake names to the Land and the STATE of ISRAEL ....but it is NOT THE REALITY OR THE TRUTH, sorry to those JEW HATERS out there, your not NEW haha, BUT WE are IN ISRAEL and NOT the pretend land of the WEST BANK LOL....they are NOT settlers, they ARE CITIZENS YOU IDIOTS, GET USED TO IT AND IF YOU CANT, ASK US IF WE CARE! NOT!

Yes, I confused Herod with Pilate. And certainly it was A Herod who ordered the killing of babies in Bethlehem. As for the Catholic Church- of which I am a member - like all heirarchial instutions, the top ranks do not speak for us all! And was the pronunciation a statement that the Jews were not responsible, or that we forgave them, under the circumstances.....?

if you and others who think like you have totally lost all perspective of what the term "anti-semite" actually means. it seems to have become a common expletive that's use indiscriminately towards anyone who doesn't see eye-to-eye with you; even towards other jews! if you meant to offend me with your implication...you have. but that's cool if it's what you wanted to do... i know for a fact that not all jews are as dense as that. i must admit that i never really thought i'd be called that by you... which i guess just goes to prove... that there is nothing that can ever be assumed... hasta luego, dude!

A Palestinian girl paralysed from the neck down when an Israeli missile struck her family?s car has won a court victory over the Israeli army. Marya Aman, 5, whose plight moved Sunday Times readers to donate £17,000 earlier this year, has been granted the temporary right to remain in Israel to receive life-saving treatment for her injuries An interim injunction issued by the Israeli High Court last week blocked plans by Ehud Barak, the Israeli defence minister, to move Marya to the West Bank, depriving her of specialised medical care available only in Israel.

i think you should learn a little bit history before your crazy idiotic remarcs. old herod died in 4 b. c. at the time of jesus was another herod and everybody even catholic church know that jews were not responsible for jesus death. btw i like this portion of matthew about equaling non jews with dogs and i wholly agree with him, you are an example.

An Israeli settler thug behaves in the usual manner of an Israeli settler thug and what happens? The Zionists of Talkback reach for the instruction manual and try: 1. Simple Denial. The incident didn't happen. 2. Resort to the anti-semite label. The UN represent a bunch of anti-semites, people who pick on poor little Israel incessantly, therefore this peacekeeper had it coming. 3. Misdirection. Why aren't the UN peacekeepers in Darfur instead? 4. Personal attacks on the posters who find the crime disgusting. These folk are all anti-semites, of course. Occasionally it would be nice if Zionists simply held their hands up and admitted that the settlers represent the worst elements in Israeli society.

though i may savor the very thought of bowing complacently to thy will the one dilemma in which i'm caught is being a thrall to one who loathes me still... and there was NO disrespect for the dead if you care to stop and use your head for it is then and ONLY then that by your tether i'll be led... have a nice day, cipora...

The reaction to this just proves what we all know - that Settlers are above the law - any law, it seems.

Which were growing on whose land....?

Here is a nice little story from the ONLY Democracy in the ME. (Aug 4th) Six months pregnant and exhausted, British mother Jessica Barhoum is still shocked that Israeli authorities ordered her, her husband and their baby out of bed at daybreak and pulverized their home. (The old, 'you ain't got no Permit" ploy!) Since 1967, 18,000 Palestinian homes have been demolished in the territories, including East Jerusalem, according to ICAHD figures. Jewish Israeli homes are NEVER (NEVER!) demolished on the permit pretext under the 1968 law.

Do not worry too much about Palestinians and their water supply. They know how to dig wells for their water which they do from time to time.

The UN General assembly has never been but an international playground for third world dictatorships. And whenever the UN has the chance it turns any activity into an Israelbashing event. Why on earth would any Jew welcome them?

If you go to "youtube" and do Search for "Israeli Settler Violence", you will see all too many human rights workers videos of settlers harrassing, stoning, and destroying the property of Palestinians.

Some of these comments are crazy. I can't believe there are settlers out there who actually believe this propaganda. It is one thing to settle land for religious reasons; it is another to live in a fairy tale that is completely unconnected to reality. Wake up. You are occupying territory that does not belong to you, and violent attacks such as these are criminal. The US should cut its 2.4 billion dollars of annual funding to israel until the israeli govt imposes rule of law on its own citizens. Why should we support and propagate this attitude?

Consider the source

You need look no further than amira herself to understand why she isn't a reporter in the true sense of the word and why anything she writes need be taken with a grain of salt: "Journalists are not neutral, cannot be 'objective'?". "The more closely I came to know Palestinians (and Israeli occupation methods)? the less and less neutral I could be."- amira hass As a result she and haaretz were sued by Hevron council for 250,000IS over false reporting and the court found for the plaintiff, awarding the total sum. Amira the lone jew living in ramallah makes for good copy, just not true copy. Opinion pieces fine, reporting? not a chance. Instead of visions of johanna we get visions of...wait for it...SUPER SETTLER. yeah yeah yeah do the occupation shuffle.

It never could have happened the way it is described. Not at all. Windshields aren't made to break that damned easily. Amira Hass is lying, or the UN is. Take your pick.

there is a huuuuuge difference in breaking a windshield and blowing up people. Huuuuuge difference!!!

There have been worse accounts, any nation that uses cluster bombs on civilian population and gets away with it must be above the law.

They are the useful idiots of Zionist expansionism; the point men of Greater Israel. It's too late for you to complain now. This is what you wanted, and this is how they deliver. Just because you don't want to get your hands dirty, or have it fed to you in your daily news, doesn't excuse you. Either you support them, or you don't.

What about the actions of Palestinian thugs who in March of this year stopped the car of the director of the UN refugee agency as he returned to Gaza City (as reported by ABC News on March 17, 2007) and fired eleven bullets at it? Does that give anyone the right to smear all Palestinians as inherently thuggish? No. Same with the settlers. Yet how many posters on Talkback have smeared the settlers as a whole for the actions of two? Far too many.

How does there being a Palestine or there not being a Palestine at all justify the actions of settler thugs on innocent UN workers?

haaretz readers suffer from cognitive dissonance. anything that doesnt fit your opinion is disregarded as fabricated or unfathomable. some of u argue that amira is biased and has a political agenda (who doesnt?) while some say that it wasnt an "ATTACK" but "bad behavior". call it what you want to call it. well done amira.

Good for them! Why kiss up to the antiSemitic UN? Hebron in Judea is OURS. If the Arabs doesn't like it: get out!

What makes you better than Amira the Angry Jewess? How dare you denigrate other Jews just because they are Nationalists. HOW DARE YOU. A LEFTIST,HUMANIST INTERNATIONALST , ANARCHIST N O B O D Y. HOW DARE YOU.Well you will not get away with it MA CHERIE. You are not even fit to wipe their behinds but yet you dicatte just like your ex boyfriend Toe Sefta. GROW UP.

The UN Peacekeeper was invented by a fellow countryman, and my country contributed servicemen to the first major peacekeeping operation. They stood a thin line between two groups with long-standing animosities for decades. They did not attack: they did not take sides in old arguments. They just stood a line to separate those who would. All of them left home and family for the cause. Some died for their efforts.

The "Point" is very, very, simple. When a nation systematically and consistently refuses to enforce it's own laws against it's own citizens then that state is clearly approving of criminal behavior by it's citizens. This is a cowardly state. If it were not a cowardly state it would be willing to come right out and state what it approves of: which is criminality according to it's laws. So long as 'Settlers' have a carte blanch to break any law so long as they target Arabs, Gentiles, the UN, left-wing Israelis and other sub-human scum, then the government of Israel and the IDF approve and let them get away with it. What is criminal is that the government of Israel and the IDF lack the honesty to state what they are and what they approve of. They want it both ways, to let the most blatant criminal acts of the 'right' kind of people go unrestrained, while punishing the slightest violation by those of the left. Ever hear the term 'Krystal Nacht"?

Don Camillo's visit to the West Bank has about as much credibility as Jane Fonda's visit to Hanoi.

The only actions that are "repulsive" are yours and that coming from a racist deranged and freakish personality. MA CHERIE just because you were rejected does not give you any rights. Posters that have not been here for long do not understand the love affair you had with your mentor Ben Gurion (the current Toe Sefta) You do not take rejection gracefully and the Israeli Boyfriend and Toe Sefta really did a number on you. Now lets have that Ben Gurion inspired reply.

This is minor compared to what we could see happening if the order comes in for Israelis to evacuate West Bank, if your sitting in home in West Bank and you have to live it, its going to hurt like it hurt the other side and you will se terror come from the other side.

How about some details FOx, first of all this blog wasnt available then, is this supposed be some kind revenge and therefore let the spiral of violance continue, better being self rightoues than warmonger thats if you believe in God according to the Bible

i know what happend. un tried to check if they can kill by over rolling with the car, but the guy jumpt just on the car

Zoom in on one or two Palestinians. Tell their tale of woe: delay at a roadblock, inability to visit a cousin in a neighboring village, frustration at curfews, financial hardship. Describe their clothes, the food on the table. Include a few children. And never forget to add an Israeli soldier. Have him engage in harsh conduct or some small act of kindness, either will convey domination. Toss in statistics. In particular, emphasize the number of Palestinian children killed in this war. The crucial element in the Hass formula is the lack of context. Roadblocks exist for no reason. Searches are conducted on soldiers whims. Financial troubles are caused solely by Israel's unjustified entry restrictions. Innocent Israelis have not been murdered by ruthless terrorists. Palestinian children have not had explosives strapped to their bodies. And now we have SUPER SETTLER, who breaks windshields by pressing on the wipers with his bare hands. yeah yeah yeah do the occupation shuffle.

the un was uprooting my olive trees

reading your self contradictory and lying posts about Israel it sounds like it will be more of the same.

Have you read about UN report on the behaviour Pakistani and Morrocan troop recently released? Not a lot of self sacrifice there. By the way peacekeepers get paid for their work,soldiers get paid to risk their lives thats why they are soldiers. Using food to get underage children to have sex and lots of sexual assaults are nothing laudable. Neither is ignoring Israeli troops being kidnapped in UN marked vehicles then lying about it.

"One Recent UN Contribution to Peace in ME" is very commendable. They also failed to implement their own resolutions to return solders and stop arm supplies to HizzbAlla from Syria. As far their help to oppressed concerned it was limited to not interference with arms supply to Hizzballa.

The "settler" was a farmer, not a settler, and at the last minute his choice was to be run over or to jump on the hood. He jumped on the hood and the driver may have taken him for a wild bronco ride in which anything is possible. Another question: what was the UN Toyota SUV doing on the private road, when there is no Arab village that this private road accesses? And...did they get out of the vehicle several times, as the farmer indicates? There is more than one side to this story which will come out, I believe, even though there is in this world no absolute right and wrong exhibited even by the saintliest of us. And what were the newspaper photographer and correspondent doing with the UN on this private road? Sounds like a wrongful provocation or at least that possibility must be explored. Michael

The headline should be. Israelis attack UN personnel near Hebron Hills.

whatever may havbe happened it is nothing compared to at least nine UN personnel killed in southern Lebanon this summer. but again the settlers are to be kicked. Used as voodoo dolls for all that lefty angst. Why are all you self-righteous buggers so quiet when the real crimes are taking place in South Lebanon under the guise of "Liberation". Time to wake up gang and take a good look at your hypocrisy and sadism. I remember the days when the left was NOT enamoured by lunatics praising Allah and murdering in the name of the Islamic empire. But you have changed and now anybody who calls America their enemy is thus yours. such utter stupidity in the name of what? Freedom? Gotta be kidding.

...was to oversee the withdrawal of Israeli troops from Lebanon. Another was to monitor border violations and troop movements: another was to direct humanitarian aid. These are functions of the UN, and their sacrifices in the field should be respected. Those who serve do so to help the oppressed and salve trouble until reason returns to the belligerents. Worthwhile, n'est-pas?

another intimidated Brit. put in his place?

Who kills the most Arabs every day? Who kills the most Moslems every day? Who has been doing that for over a thousand years? Who will never admitt that?

the case is a matter of public record. I do not know the video details

I have been to Hebron many times. I have seen the spot where an infant was killed by aPalestinian sniper. The spot where some one going to pray at the tombs of the forefars was killed by a sniper, wher people walking between Kiryat Arba nd Hebron were murdered, Romedia where a elderly resident was murdered in his house by a Palestinian assassin, and where graves in the ancient Jewish ceemetery were vandalized. Have you ever been to Hebron, Don?

Nor does it obscure you painting all the IDF with the same brush. Generalisation is at best faulty logic,in your case cheap propoganda.

I was there last week - you have never been there - I took photos and submitted a report to the World Health Organisation. I was told the endemic amoebic dysentery had been previosly reported. The reasons you give for not connecting up is speculation because the Israelis have so far never responded over the last 7 years of repeated requests. "please enlighten us all as these wild accusations like yours are usually totally in-accurate" Viktor in Belfast - what is your evidence for making the above claim? I await your answer.

Your point being.....?

Don Camillo, The arab village has the same water now that it had before the Israelis came. Why should Israel supply water from mainly Northern Israel to an enemy who constantly tries to attack them. The real mystery is why Israel supplies electricity and water to Gaza while the rockets are falling.

You sir, have not endeared yoursself to me or other Jews here with your impartiality and springing to the defense of that Pisher makes me wonder about you. Two Arabs yanking our chains or each others? Neither you or Toe Sefta have a kind bone for Israel ion your body and you are fooling no one but yourself. Time for both of you to retire into the good night.

Indeed, there 'WAS' a Palestine over two thousand years ago and the Jewish people who lived there were the Palestinians whn it was under Roman rule. There 'IS' a REGION which was once called Palestine under the British Mandate for a short while where everyone who lived there behe Arab, Jew, Armenian, Turk or whoever, was known as a 'Palestinian' but each had to revert back to his original identity after the creation of Israel. If there 'WILL' be a Palestine, we do not know as it is yet to materialise.

in their fight against Israel. In the 1960's, when the Catholic Church decided that the Jewish people were not, in fact, to blame for the crucifiction of Jesus, nobody protested more furiously than Arab Nationalist circles, including Arab Christian clergy. Why? Because ending the concept of the Jewish people being theologically cursed and rejected by God was seen as another nail in the coffin of non-recognition of Jewish claims to Israel. But here, Arab leaders have played both sides of the field. Bashar Assad, as a Moslem, would say that Jesus was never crucified, as is written in the Koran. But when Pope John Paul II visited Syria, Assad told him point blank that the Jews murdered Jesus and other prophets, and tried to kill Mohammed. In fact, the basis of Arafat's agreement with certain Christian clergy in Jerusalem was the Pact of Omar, in which Omar and Sophronius agreed as a condition for the city's surrender, that the Jews (and 'Romans') would be banished from Jerusalem.

usually the cost of connecting up as you phrase it can be prohibitive? this is usually if pipes have to be installed over alarge distance ? the pumping station is too far away ? the existing nearest mains are too small in diameter ? please enlighten us all as these wild accusations like yours are usually totally in-accurate

"Sat here as I am now holding two stones from Mt Naboo, where Moses reckoned a talking bush gave him the ten commandments" Sir, Direct physics proof does not exist, but I can provide you with documentary one. I witnessed it. I do not remember talking to talking Bush - there was none there. But I witnessed as His Excellency, Be His Name Blessed Forever gave to Moses the Prince of Egypt 2 tablets with inscriptions - those were cooking recepies. Now, back to fundamentalist Zionists - His Excellency and especially His Daughter from Nazareth would be very upset if you do not leave them - Zionists - alone. Shabbat Shalom e La buona Domenica

Thanks for the chuckle, Labhras. The post didn't sound like you at all (it's very difficult for a faker to mimic a regular poster's style). The Fake had a point, however. The driver of the UN vehicle got glass in his eye not because a rock broke the windscreen but because a settler jumped on the car and smashed the windscreen directly into the driver's face. The Fake, of course, being a Zionist, had nothing to say about the crime.

First of all, 'nasty old Herod' (in fact it was Herod's son Antipas) was the Jewish Tetrarch of Galilee and the only political Jewish leader left in Israel empowered to make decisions on behalf of the Jews (the High Priest in Jerusalem was an associate and appointee of Pilate himself). According to the gospel account, Antipas left it up to PILATE what to do with Jesus, not 'the Jews'. Secondly,according to the Gospels, Jesus did not minister in the Gentile world during his own lifetime, and his strife with the Jewish priests, Pharisees, etc. was strictly an internal affair, and he wiped clean the slate on the cross when saying 'Forgive them, for they know not what they do'. According to the Gospel, only after Jesus rose from dead did he say to his disciples to take the message out of Israel to the Gentiles. Your attempt to 'internationalize' the dispute between Jesus and Jewish clergy and transfer it to future generations of Jews has been used for 2000 years to justify persecution.

Your emotive generalisations and wilful misinterpretation of what I said, are unhelpful. I emphatically did NOT tar all Israeli service personnel with any brush whatsoever. I single out the IBP (Magav) because their behaviour is so uncontrolled even the regular Army units in residence in Hebron threaten the Arabs there with handing them over to the IBP - because the Army doesn't like Magav much either - they bring a bad name on Israel. As to your insenstivie quip about the Pals can clean up their own mess, let me assure you they would dearly wish to - but Israel ignores all requests to connect the village of Hajjah to the mains water supply.

"According to the police, the man who attacked the car has been involved in similar incidents before. The second man is a British citizen. Both were questioned at the Kiryat Arba police station." - Haaretz Was he only questioned in the other incidents? After being allowed to do anything they want and break any law for decades, the settlers are not going to stop until they are punished. If in prison, they will not be able to cause any more 'similar' incidents. If they are not punished, then why should anyone assume that their actions are not tacitly sanctioned by Israel and the IDF?

Just live in the present man.

It will be even better day if arab apologizes for killing his wife and child. Reciprocity...

Chris' Are you hallucinating,or what? If you need proof about the "Two Stone Tablets"that Moses got from GOD,I cannot answer with certainty. That goes back 5000+years me ole fellow!And I dare say no one can produce proof. As for Jesus as a Christian you have the much editted N.T.And some scant mention by the Roman Writer Tacitus.Then by Flavius Josephus,that too just one line,(probably inserted by the latter writings)while they editted the book.All very scant mention of Jesus.Why the obsession Chris? Are you having doubts about your religion?As a devoted Christian you either believe or you don't.That is what I have been tought etc.It is pure faith in the belief about Jesus and the N.T.The documentation we have is the N.T that is it.I don't know what you are trying to prove by holding two measly pebbles. Chris,did you convert to Catholism? Just curious,and no shame in that at all. All the Best to You

You speak of oppressor and oppressed. Were the Palestianian Arabs who rioted against the Jews in the mass Arab violence against them that began in 1920 chanting, "Palestine is our land and the Jews are our dogs" and "Kill the Jews" while they assaulted Jews the oppressed? (Morris, Righteous Victims, 2001, p. 94). This rioting was not a reaction to Jewish violence or oppression but an initiation of violence and oppression against the Jews.

Well, I've been around for quite some time and have therefor read many opinions many of leftists but many of rightists too, only I never came to a "Western" inspired one like Haaretz and read so many hatefull and disturbingly bloodthirstly Posting. This does make me believe that the theocratic Republic of Israel, as its inhabitants do call for the Bible/Tora in reasoning why they are where they are, is just that, is a smartly disguised reality.. What is astonishing is but that the Land of origin of the jews, according to descriptions in the bible is but in the south of Iraq and southeast Iran, the land where Lea and Rachel originate from.. and Moses just died before reaching it.. if that's not historical Irony..G-d surely has his funny moments..

Gabe 1, Your vile comments regarding Mr. Tosefta are without substance. Tosefta has always struck me as a thoughtful, though primarily pro-Israel, commentator. The fact that he cannot countenance misbehaviour, whether by Jews, Arabs, Christians or others only bespeaks his emphasis on philosiphical consistency. Double standards are the stuff of bigotry. Apparently Mr. Tosefta is opposed to bigotry in all its forms. I am sure that the fact that he condemns the Hebron settlers abusive actions toward UN workers and Arab residents does not in any way indicate that he supports similar Arab behaviour. Time to check yourself and your vile equine zoological innuendos. Peace. Steve

It was an Haaretz and Amira Hass provocation, to spray some insults to Jewish people.

Roxana, The Kurds live on their territory for about 3000 years. They do not have to move anywhere. They do not want to be a part of Iran. Leave the alone. Stop dreaming about Empire of Cyrus. Shiite entity, hands off the Independent Kurdistan. Bon Soir :)))

NO OTHER WORD DESCRIBES YOUR FEELINGS. SORRY TO SAY AND HAVING READ YOURS AND ARI-BEN-YISRAEL'S I FEEL ASHAMED BY THE BOTH OF YOU. BUT!I STILL CHERISH YOU LOT BEING ONE OF MY OWN.THERE IS ALSO ESTHER FROM TEL-AVIV, SILLY JOSH FROM JERUSALEM,A DEBORA FROM THE U.K AND TWO OTHER DEBORAHS TOO.THE ONLY GOOD DEBORAH WAS FROM THE U.S AND IT WAS WONDERFUL TO READ HER RESPONSE.SHE DID NOT VISITED US SINCE THOUGH...

Tosefta I shall get to the bottom of this writing long responses without having to "cut and paste". How do many people do it?I have seen Joseph E do it,dana,and your buddy Joe of Tejas but how? My conclusion may be a secret,or very fast fingers on the "key-board".Right??

Three cheers for Linthwaite for his desire to use use this story on false reporting in his class....the history one errm whatever. He will explain how reporters have to be careful when they make up and pad stories because it is obvious to readers when this occurs. This particular story about...wait for it...here he comes....SUPER-SETTLER who flies in the air and then SWOOPS down on a car and latches on while it's driving... Oh yeah it's SUPER-SETTLER who takes his hands and presses down on the windshield wipers and OMG...cracks the windshield....spraying shards of glass ALL OVER the passengers and drivers of the car and...wait for it....MIRACULOUSLY SUPER-SETTLER flies away unscathed. OHHH YEAHHHHH the class stands up in a glorious standing ovation for OHHHH YEAHHH IT'S SUPER SETTLER.

CORRECTION AND INSTRUTION IS ALL WELL AND GOOD.BUT,WHAT IS THE POINT IN SENDING REGARDS? THERE'S A PERSON HERE---NOW ABSENT,THANK THE LORD,WHO ALTHOUGH SENT RESPONSES IN NASTILY, STILL ENDED WITH "REGARDS".SOUNDS A BIT HYPOCRITICAL DON'T YOU KNOW...

Thank you for showing yourself to be a Little Pisher with no ideas as to the situation and getting everything wrong. 1. I do not care if there is a civil war or Fatah is dismantled. They are both terror groups and the more virgins are used in hell the merrier 2. We know that the PA & PLO is the same DREK with different names. We also know that they are LIERS who cannot or will not keep their word. 3.Hamas is not a National Liberation Movement but just plainly a terror group in support of the Jihadist movement and hell bent on killing Jews and annihilating Israel 4.Using the Talmud to justify your defense of your Arab brethren is a sacrilege against the Jews. A Pisher Like you is just a full of hot air pompous donkey with an Arab agenda and no substance. THank you for showing us what a DONKEY you are or is it ASS.

Peter hello Well Peter any website where we can take a delight from seeing it? have you one such site.I would love to watch it,especially if it shows court proceedings?? I'll await with baited breath! My best regards to you!

Abe No it is is not just you,it is the state of affairs that exists in the Arab countries and strange as it may seem no Jews are allowed in Palestine(if ever they get a so-called country), that is.An unfathomable condition. Why do many people resort to "politically"correctness is not a puzzle,but it is merely pandering to the Arabs in general. You ask:has anyone posted the question to this liberal camp about Jews in Libya,Egypt,Iraq,Syria?Oh indeed friend,we have but inevitably they chnage the subject and ignore our questions peremptorily..

Let me admit it all for you. We drink coffee or tea or whatever we consider palatable, we breathe the air around us and we swim in the sea. We walk on the sands. We plant crops in the fields. We live in our houses. We eat the foods we want to eat and we marry whoever we consider it right to marry. We are, in short, human beings.

Madame, Please invite you strongest friend to break a windshield of your car by his "naked" hands within 30 seconds - approximate situation described by Ms. Haas.I need a video which clearly depicts all sequence from intact, not "pretreated" windshield to it it break. I'll pay you twice. The results of the experiment do not depend of party affiliation - you may invite anybody from far right/far left. Ms. Haas would definitely loose her job in the USA for inventing facts - couple of guys in NYTimes lost it for the same reason. Here nobody cares about her noble political positions -she may have any - she just have to check her facts - and she was not there. Ms. Haas may be employed as a Journalist only in some backward country - like Israel. Sorry.

Did you leave off the 'story line" before or after the period when your Muslim brothers where using the houses of christians to fire on Gilo but avoiding using the houses of Muslims?? What really makes me laugh about Palestinian christians is the way they try to incite european christians with there replays of the crucifxtion complete with the full medieval tones of hooked nosed Jewish priests using their money power to kill the lamb of G-d and all that.Dont you get?? Most europeans dont believe or care about that all, even the Pope has exonerated us or is he too under the power of the jewish lobby?? Even your anti semitism is out of date, but then again it must be really weird for people under Jewish occuaption to be praying to Jews at the core of their religion isnt it??Very conflicted I would think.

It's a bitter truth for you, but Israel is an occupier! Kurdistan has been a part of iran for centuries and our Kurdish people are Iranian citizens, anyone who doesn't like in this territory, can move to somewhere else! Iran is the land of people of different origins, Belooch, Kurd, Azeri, and Arabs. You can't compare Iran to Israel. We have already lost many parts of the ancient Epire of Cyrus the great! Never compare us to Israel, it's a very funny comparison!

you wrote: I don`t know about your experience That is about the only thing that is both true and fair in your post. Don is doing what he can to help people on the ground with his time and energy and compassion and no doubt money he really cant afford. He has his opinion about the anti-boycott and you have yours. So what? What is true is t that oppressive tactics lead to hell for both opressor and the oppressed. Whether they come from a new, greener-than-green, Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiyya or a Zionism however idealistic, was at its core tragically flawed vis a vis both Herzl and Weizmann's views and ill-informed and careless understanding of the Palestinians. Reville is sounding wake up for you bub.

The fact is , for years their has been lawlesness in the territories by many jewish settlers.The army has been reduced to their servants, Israeli law somehow magicaly evaporates when one gets over the green line were jewish rhodesia begins.It is a twighlight aone, a form of demented distopian la la land where many settlers lord it over the "wogs" in their state subsidised splendid isolation.While Don camillo must understand that the checkpoints and the wall are their for legitimate reasons and are yet another example of the results of Palestinian self destructive behavior, this does not change the fact of repulsive actions by some settlers who are highly racist and deranged.Regards to both.

Sir, A liberal is a somebody who cherish individual rights and autonomous functioning of the person. It saddens me that in the USA it is used by members of "honest Abe" Party to denigrate their political enemies who are not liberals but predominantly social demagogues. I also question "political correctness" as device which introduced additional dimension to "correctness" - to promulgate convenient lies. Otherwise I am agree with you. Why Arab lands have to be Judenfrei?

that will be the day.

Qassems on Israeli civillians? Regular attempts at other terrorist attacks on Israelis? Tarring all IDF soldiers with the same brush says it all about your honesty as does saying amoebic dysentry can only be prevented by the Israelis. The Pals can clean up their own sanitary habits.

Sat here as I am now holding two stones from Mt Naboo, where Moses reckoned a talking bush gave him the ten commandments. I can't stop wondering where is the direct physical proof of these wonderful stone tablets. At least there is documentary proof that Jesus existed. Anyway back to these fundamentalist Zionists. What do you think should happen to them? Surely they cannot get away with blinding someone because they are Palestinian. Should they?

In the classroom, when we discuss the ramifications of Israel's victory after the 6 day war. A required part of the curriculum

From article: "The settler held on to the windshield wipers and pressed against the glass until it shattered." The Jewish resident was holding on to avoid being thrown off the car! How could strong windshield glass be broken? How can EXTREMELY STRONG windshield glass break by being pressed? That is not possible. Amira Hass is infamous for her loathing and intense hate of Jews and Israel. The loathing and intense hate for Jews and Israel is shared by the UN.

Video evidence proved her wrong and she had to pay hundreds of thousands of shekels in damages. The full story needs to be heard.

unlock your key caps. Thanks. How much do you know about Islam Paul? Granted dhimmitude is really bad stuff as far as Jews are concerned. But surely theres a lot of good stuff that allows peopole to devote their time and mind to. I admit that my patience wears pretty thin with reading my English Koran as it also does with reading about Matzo falling from heaven or guys with long hair walking on water. But then again Herzl was also a religious ignoramus No matter what you and I think about such things, many people of many faiths do believe and practice what most religions try to instruct, love I would guess being the number one lesson. On that score we are all mostly strike out artists most of the time. Isn't it? Shabbat Shalom

it was published last weeek. Druken thugs looking for fights,the whole of Europe cringes,obviously you do not,spreading British culture wot? Hope you are proud or are you in denial and that's why you have so much time to give your superior opinion here. Sort them out then go and preach While you are at it sort out the National Front and your Islamo facist hate preachers and British Jihadist sucide bombers

Jake I have written about this subject on numerous occasions about the attitude of Jesus toward the gentiles he abhorred and thus your last paragraph says it in truth about the Syrian woman who asked Jesus for help,and ?His reply? to her: ?I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel?.it is not good to take the children?s bread and throw it to the dogs. And your last .Anyone who may read the NT will gather what was meant,and they should familiarize themselves by education. Shall we remind them also,that it was not "Jesus the good Jew"who promulgated Chritianity in its nascent days,(with much in fighting)between the church in Jerusalem and Alexandria and others. And it was Shaul/Paul who spread the religion, which took many years of ,sufferings and crucifixions,until all were dead bar young John at the isle of Patmos who wrote the ?Revelations? .Many addendums were included as Christanity progressed and edited throughout the centuries.Propaganda was/is always present in Christianity and particularely in Islam. So Jake,we?ll leave theology aside for now.I don?t know who brought the subject up,as I refrain from reading too many responses. Very time consuming for sure. * Shabat Shalom*

# 323 is the FAKE Labhras we love Labhras #294 how is the real one no doubt about it! # 323 The Fake, Look For A New Name

All the posters who claim Amira is lying, or that it's impossible to break a windshield, or that the poor poor settler was run down by the evil UN clearly didn't see the print edition. The photograph is there: barmy settler (looking in pretty good health), broken windshield. And not an emotive word in Amira's account: just coolly-reported facts, as always from this outstanding journalist whom all Israelis should treasure as an example of what's best about this great nation. OK, OK - the wingnut far-right are all going to write in and tell me that Haaretz staged the photo. But get real guyz. PAUL HARRIS!!!!! GOOD TO SEE THE CONTRIBUTION - I WAS WORRIED THAT YOU WERE SO QUIET!!!! BUT GLAD THAT EVEN AT 5.30 IN THE MORNING YOU CAN FIND THE ENERGY TO EDUCATE US WITH YOUR PARTICULAR BRAND OF "HISTORY"!!!!! KEEP UP THE OUTSTANDING WORK!!!!!!!

That'll be the day!

So Arabs are allowed and encouraged to live in Israel, but it is politically incorrect to say to the Arabs in Gaza and in the West Bank that they have to live with Jews. Is it just me, or is this liberal fantasy of "political correctness" inherently anti-semetic? Has anyone posed the question to this liberal politically correct camp about what happened to the Jews of Egypt, Libya, Iraq, and Syria,etc? At least, apparently, according to our liberal politically correct friends, it was wrong for Nazis to murder Jews during the Holocaust. At least the "politically correct" have some standards when it comes to their views on Jews!

The area was called "Palestine" based on the name given to Israel by the Romans when they destroyed the Jewish State approximately 2000 years ago. The Romans wanted to demonstrate their contempt for the Jews so they named the area after the Philistines, who were the enemies of the Jews at the time. By the way, I was educated at Harvard. That's where I learned my history. And you? How could you not know that there has never been a Palestinian nation?

You wrote: "I doubt you have the necessary cranial matter to suceed [sic]." The proper spelling is succeed.

Jake I have written about this subject on numerous occasions about the attitude of Jesus toward the gentiles he abhorred and thus your last paragraph says it in truth about the Syrian woman who asked Jesus for help,and ?His reply? to her: ?I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel?.it is not good to take the children?s bread and throw it to the dogs. And your last .Anyone who may read the NT will gather what was meant,and they should familiarize themselves by education. Shall we remind them also,that it was not "Jesus the good Jew"who promulgated Chritianity in its nascent days,(with much in fighting)between the church in Jerusalem and Alexandria and others. And it was Shaul/Paul who spread the religion, which took many years of ,sufferings and crucifixions,until all were dead bar young John at the isle of Patmos who wrote the ?Revelations? .Many addendums were included as Christanity progressed and edited throughout the centuries.Propaganda was/is always present in Christianity and particularely in Islam. So Jake,we?ll leave theology aside for now.I don?t know who brought the subject up,as I refrain from reading too many responses. Very time consuming for sure. * Shabat Shalom*

You wrote: "Keep up the great good work brother." Say what, Joel? Take this Talkback post from Camillo on 17-06-2007 regarding a coalition of individuals and groups that formed to express its opposition to the proposed British academic boycott of Israeli academic institutions. Camillo described this coalition as "an orchestrated attempt with limitless funds to manipulate UK and world public opinion." I don't know about your experience, but in mine, someone who doesn't have an underlying agenda of hate doesn't describe people who may wish to present an opposing point of view as out to manipulate world opinion with limitless funds. Of course, someone who wants to reinforce negative stereotypes about Jews as a sinister group would use just this language. Look at his other posts.

LABBO YOU GET THE GUINNESS LABEL AWARD FOR THE BEST POST TODAY!! WHAT AGRAND IRISH LAUGH YOU HAVE GIVEN ME BE JAISUS

Good post that. "What makes you think that in view of the historical precedant the Arabs per se can moderate or even shed their clan and family based behaviour and become modern day Human beings. I see no such progress for at least a few centuries". It is recommended to read Philip Hitti's Documentary on "The Original Arab The Bedouin'" found on Google Their language is :"We shall kill each other, We shall kill one another, And if we can find none, Then we shall kill our Brother"

Land does not HAVE to be divided "It could also be shared". Yes indeed it could and is, but not when one hates the other so intensely that it would like the other, even beit a sovereign state, eliminated altogether.

Keep your day job as a career in acting is not in your future. Here are a few cues for you. 1 I always sign off with "Regards" 2 I always include the Post # I am responding to. 3 You will have to learn how to think like the person you are attempting to copy.I doubt you have the necessary cranial matter to suceed. Regards

DORIS THE IGNORANT IGNORER OF FACT HISTORY AND MORALITY IS COMPLAINING ! THE BAD SEED DORIS IS CALLED ISLAM IT HAS BEEN BAD FOR 1400 YEARS AND CONTINUES TO BE SO !!THE ARABS ARE PART OF THE LOCAL CONDITION AND HAVE BEEN BAD FOR 90 YEARS

Would you want to buy a secondhand car from her.

"Talkback from individuals who have no interest in anything but a one-sided blame-game." Sir, Unbelievable as it is, it is the position of Haaretz - naturally participants pivot around it. "The sad thing is there will never be any progress towards true peace.." - It will be, I have no doubts. The bunch of compulsive anti-semites on these pages do not control anything - they have even difficulty to control their own tempers. They can not discuss anything on its merits and have no idea of complexities of interactions with multitude of players and interests. But they do deserve our interest in framework of phenomenology of antisemitsm. Frankly, I find all quite amusing - this very inte

Haaretz prints Amira's post all the time, but she is branded a traitor or worse. A lot of Isrealis know execly what is going on, but either dont give a damn. or are caught between that and a sense of really not knowing where to turn. The Peace now activists are ridiculed at best and anyone like yourself who dares to expose the realities of the Occupation is treated like an agent provacateur. Keep up the great good work brother. Never give up hope. Shabbat Shalom

Don, The IDF are just a bunch of vandals too-- just like the settlers. Read the weekly Human Rights Reports. It's all there. Some moral army anymore. Dutch P. S. I believe you are right--everyone says the Israeli people seem to be either clueless or brainwashed.

This is just the bad seed of unlawfulness Israel has been planting in the terrritories. for 40 years. Dutch

The public must be informed the PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY CALL for the MURDER of ALL JEWS and the MURDER of AMERICANS: Broadcast from Gaza mosque, Oct 13 2000, Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya, on Palestinian Authority TV (transcribed by Memri): "Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Jews and those Americans who are like them..." All Israelis must be taught self-defense and acquire the latest weapons in self-defense. 10,000 Jews in Gaza and northern Samaria were viciously evicted from Jewish land that NEVER belonged to Arabs - the ruthless Israeli government religious practice of punishing innocents for not being Muslim must stop! The treasonous surrender of Gaza empowered global jihad intensifying the war against Jews.Every day Sderot's terrified citizens live every moment in fear of daily rocket attacks.The peace process REQUIRES Jews to ACCEPT being MAIMED and MURDERED!

It is urgent the public is educated via flyers and speeches regarding the cruel persecution and jailing of Jews who defend themselves from violent Arab Muslim attackers-ISRAELNATIONALNEWS article: Nissim Kurkus of Jerusalem. He was attacked by a group of Bethelehem Arabs, who wounded him in his head with knives and other means. He fought back and stabbed to death one of his attackers - and was ordered placed in an Israeli Prison Service psychiatric hospital for nine years. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/122988 It is Israeli government policy to persecute Jews who defend against Muslim attackers: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/123107 The public must know!!! Honenu need to set up a fund to donate for this purpose. Other organizations must help!

Dear posters, Please suspend your disbelief for a moment and just listen. My claim is that our censor Slowman is a Plant of the Jerusalem Post, designed to destroy the successful Haaretz Talkback. Slowman is evidently choking the Talkback to death. He shows up every now and then to post a few posts, then disappears for hours. Posters realize that they work for nothing. They can try posting, then try again, but to no effect. So they quit in disgust. Who benefits from all of this? Of course, The Jerusalem Post. Here you have my proof. I invite readers to respond and discuss this issue and what to do about it.

1) Nations who follow the 7 Noahide laws have the right to remain in Israel as long as they are loyal. The Muslims are Noahides. The ones prepared to join the army and fight for Israel may stay, the other to be kicked out - fro all of HaAretz. 2) X-tians practice idol worshipping as must be thrown out. Alon with all other idol worshippers, hindus, bhuddists etc... 3) All Anti-Israel organizations such as ISM, UN etc must be banned from the Land. 4) Traitors who spend all their time criticizing Israel must be deported to to a paradise of their choice (Sweden? Norway? France?). There they can be little Onkle Tom Jews until they discover that no matter how much they crawl in the dust, the edomites are edomites, with very few exceptions. 5) Ahh, and Sullivan should be brought back to the "beit din" he came from where they will pronounce him a Catholic and he will finally find the platform for his Israel-hate hes been looking for.

From The New Yorker Magazine of 30 July 2007: "Sderot, with a population of twenty-four thousand, is the closest Israeli town to the Gaza Strip...Since 2001 Sderot has been hit by nearly five-thousand homemade Qassam missiles launched from Beit Hanoun by Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and other groups...In the second half of May, when hundreds of rockets fell on Sderot, eighty percent of the population evacuated." They have "succeeded in terrorizing the town." I know I am tired of the relentlessly biased attacks on Israel here on Talkback from individuals who have no interest in anything but a one-sided blame-game. The sad thing is there will never be any progress toward a true peace until the voices of those who seek an honest understanding of the situation predominate over those with a hidden agenda to present one side only as blameworthy.

Just a dispute in the family, eh? I don't think most Christians see it that way!! Even nasty old Herod couldn't find anything wrong with this eccentric from Nazareth, and left it to the Jews to decide whether they had him released or not.

You obviously don't read the western press too much - there is plenty of condemnation of countries which practice female cirumcision or have a horrendous record on human rights. Israel falls into the latter category, which is why it is rightly criticised. But I wonder why Israel and America are so eager to deal with Saudi Arabia, which has the worst record and the most fundamental brand of Islam in the Middle East! I guess its those old double standards again.

Don in 1994 after a massacre of 50 Palestinian worshippers and injuring hundreds in Hebron at the Mosque Of Ibrahim during the Holy Month of Ramadan, the UN set forth: Resolution 904 (1994)to guarantee the safety and protection of Palestinian civilians in the occupied territories INCLUDING temporary international or foreign presence which was provided for in the Declaration of Principles (S/26560)within the context of the ONGOING peace process.

Thank you for your novella, it was a nice read. Sadly and attempt of objectivity and context was left out of your tale. I especially enjoyed the "talking to Israelis at bus-stops, in cafes after Tisha Be`Av, at the realisation they have no real grasp of the reality..." I can only imagine having a lunatic Israel hater like you approaching Israelis in bus stops on Tisha Be'av. They probably thought you were an idiot. I often hear that Israelis are ignotant on what is going on in the territories. Sure we get it in the media, but you seem to forget that the soldiers at the checkpoint are actually Israelis. And yes most Israelis do the army and have spent time patrolling the territories. so cut the ignorance crap. Were you there in 1999, before the "Al Aqsa" intifada. I was, the borders were open, no checkpoints, no troops patrolling. But this all came to end when we got fed up with being blown up daily. what is most telling is you concious failure at context.

When 'settlers' of Tel Rameida in Hebron physically attack Christian Peacemakers, Palestinians, foreign visitors etc, the IDF stands and does nothing. This is because each incoming Bde Cdr is given oral (oral mark you - nothing in writing) orders to protect the settlers from Pal violence. But record show the pattern of violence is from the'settlers' hence Pal homes being caged in to stop settler intrusion. Anyone who thinks the actions as described in this article and who is not pontificating from brooklyn, Don Camillo challenges you to go to Hebron, do the tour then judge those in danger of becoming anti-semitic because of what they have seen being done to Pals in Hebron in the name of Israel and Judaism. As the IDF and the Police do nothing to protect the Pals from settler violence I can only assume that this is the moral shape of things to come in your region.

sounds like ireland during the troubles don, or palestine during the mandate ! where have all those $ billions gone? where does all the aid go?/ water companies hook you up anywhere so long as you pay !!!!!!!

Eric, what struck me on this visit, not just to Hebron, but also to Ramallah, Qalqilia, Imateen, Hajjah (where there is now endemic amoebic dysentery owing to the refusal of the Israelis to hook up the village to mains water supply in this Area C village)and Nablus, is the pwer-driven behaviour of the too-young to be armed IBP and the utter official indifference to the daily assaults on Arab teenagers by bored IPB checkpoint personnel, how I was treated with the same contempt and aggression as other Arabs on the bus. But above all, when talking to Israelis at bus-stops, in cafes after Tisha Be'Av, at the realisation they have no real grasp of the reality of the Occupation - that if you step across the Green Line or enter the WB they behead you - falsehoods the authorities keep up so as to hide from Israelis the actual barbarity of the Occupation.

The Settlers are going to try every trick in the book to keep their land which was stolen from the Palestinian people. When it comes to the withdrawal next year. The IDF should just pull out, allowing the people of the world to have their vengeance on the proginators of Osama Bin Laden and fundamentalist Islam. and with it the terror. I bet these lowlifes won't be smiling then. A different story when there isn't a nuclear umbrella.

So why did even the zioinist novement that started to emmigrate to Palestine before 1948 call it exatly Palestine...? Read history also outside your won city...

Thank you for writing for the Iranian Jews. We can talk for ourselves if we have something we want to say to the people here. We have nothing to say that they want to hear. We have nothing to say to people called Paddy

We're waiting on the airstrip for you. I'm bringing you a big basket of frut and wine from Israel. See you soon~~ Margie

Amira says The OCHA workers had been visiting the nearby Palestinian town of Bir al Eid. As they were leaving, they spotted a man approaching. The driver braked in order not to hit him and the man drew near, as if to speak to the occupants. They (you) spotted a man approaching. And than you tell us, the driver braked in order not to hit him! Amira you should straiten your alibi, or you spotted him so you didn?t need to brake Or you didn?t spot him and you nearly ran him over, so he set on your car waiting for the police to come, and they came because you have done the favor of calling them, because a settler was sitting on your car! I smell a SPIN Story here! Seen how you reporters get things twisted so let me be skeptical about this one!

This is Turkey ! inviting you to breakfeast in Istanbul, over :) love Atilla Liman Karagözoğlu

As opposed to the European "immigrants"... Thousands of Jews live happily in Tehran -- Israel is now backing a move by Jewish donors to guarantee every Iranian Jewish family $60,000 to settle in Israel, in addition to a host of existing financial incentives that are offered to Jewish immigrants, including loans and cheap mortgages. The announcement was met with scorn by the Society of Iranian Jews, which issued a statement that their national identity was not for sale. ?The identity of Iranian Jews is not tradeable for any amount of money. Iranian Jews are among the most ancient Iranians. Iran?s Jews love their Iranian identity and their culture, so threats and this immature political enticement will not achieve their aim of wiping out the identity of Iranian Jews.? What!

I have to take the side of the "settler supporters". God gave the Holy Land to the Russian, etc., immigrants. You can read where HE said so (in Russian?) in the Bible. The fact that the MAJORITY of the immigrants have absolutly NO BELIEF in any god, other than the god of "cash", has nothing to do with it. The Book is enough proof for me. Hang on, I seem to remember that their god said that they were not very "nice" peoople who could not be trusted and that He was going to "off" the lot of them - several times. I just might have to re-think my support!

can we play game ? I tell you bad Jews ! than you responce as Bad Turks ! than we smile :) Atilla Liman Karagözoğlu

Hi, Click. I don't see where the article said the settlers heaved a rock through the windscreen. Next time read the article before commenting on it. I mean, c'mon, the settlers did some bad things here (not as bad as the Palestinian gunmen who stopped the car of the director of the UN refugee agency in March and fired eleven bullets at it in Gaza City, according to a March 17, 2007, ABC news report), but there might be some people who think that actually reading the article you're commenting on might be important, anyway.

here is breakfeast time ! I wonder maybe you join into my family ! take your husbund with you ! come to Istanbul I can send you my privite airplane to take you here ! hey ! what friends for :) Love Atilla Liman Karagözoğlu

huh? I was writing about morality. Read it again: "When we live in a moral universe the majority of states might be moral and set an honest tone for HR. If nary a whisper of condemnation is heard against countries where women are forcibly circumcised, while a country in which women can run for president is condemned and scolded by a huge majority?then something is very, very wrong." Don't you see the connection between morality & HR & forced female circumcision?

"This is where Judas threw his handful of silver, the bribe he received from the Jewish priests for betraying Jesus to them. And we all know what happened next......" It really ought not to make a difference to you, because that was a dispute 'in the family', as it were. As Jesus said to the woman from the region of Tyre and Sidon: "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel...it is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs."

ERIC , I WOULD SAY YOU SHOULD REVIEW YOUR OWN ONE SIDED VIEW. COMPASSION IS QUANTITY THAT HAS TO BE SHARED EQUALLY TO MERIT ATTENTION ! TO ADD A RIDER MY GRANDFATHER ALSO SAID WE WOULD HAVE TO FIGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY AND HOW RIGHT HE WAS ! IN YOUR CASE HE KNEW THE ANTI SEMITES WOULD HAVE A BIG PART IN OUR STRUGGLE TO SURVIVE IN OUR OWN COUNTRY !!

Would you mind sending me videos where Israeli ?settlers? blow themselves up on Palestinian school buses? Thank you very much.

my message suggested that your grandfather was a man who possessed human compassion and empathy for the suffering of other human beings. i suggested it was something he would not like to see. but you paul, his grandson, see fit to call me a libelous fiend! do you realize what exactly you're saying to me? i really do wonder if he'd agree... and i wonder what he'd think of what's become of his seed?

Potipher's field lies below the Hill of Evil Counsel. This is where Judas threw his handful of silver, the bribe he received from the Jewish priests for betraying Jesus to them. And we all know what happened next......

So blameless of any crime, so innocent, so helpless, so picked upon by everyone from the UN to individual Jew-haters. Who could be surprised if a settler or two heaves a rock through the windscreen of a speeding UN vehicle?

Do you know how many olive trees belonging to Arabs have been uprooted by Jews? How many Arabs have their olive crop destroyed by rougue Settlers every year? There are a group of olive trees, rescued and replanted in a group below my house, after they were "officially" removed in order to make way for a Settler Access road. There are also a group of trees (dead, unfortunately) symbolically placed outside the Peace Centre in Bethlehem. Jewish settlers first of all take land to build homes and then gradually expropriate agricultural land for themselves, claiming it is not being used by the Arabs who own it. There are large tracts of land in the UK which are not cultivated, but belong to someone -imagine if someone else just decided to take it for themselves because it formed part of a green belt!

that i approve of the stupidity exhibited in the post that i was, and am, responding to? but alas...i don't tom jones[sic]. and if that's the best you have to do... try looking a bit closer at the truth... have a nice day.

Is Anybody Reading The Article, Doesn?t Anybody See THE SPIN First Amira says The UN personnel were driving in the South Hebron Hills area when one of the settlers jumped on the car and smashed the windshield, sending shards of glass into the driver's eye. OMG he ran into the car and must have kicked or violently broke the windshield ? well Amira wrote smashed the windshield (indicating violence) Than Amira says Instead, he jumped on the car and refused to get down. UN orders forbid employees to leave a car that is under attack, so instead, the driver drove forward, very slowly. The settler held on to the windshield wipers and pressed against the glass until it shattered. Yes Amira very slowly, why are you telling us that? Seems the settler has done what anybody would do, press on the glass in order not to fall from a moving vehicle! How slowly is slowly? I smell a Story SPIN here! Seen how you reporters get things twisted so let me be skeptical about this one!

What has forced circumcision got to do with stealing land? The two are quite separate crimes.

Stop your eternal lecturing, and have some respect for the dead.

Israel has both historical connection and legal claim. It is you who should know better.

The seed Israel is sowing in the territories--is settlers terror. They must all be uprooted. Dutch

Richard A historical connection does not translate into a legal claim. You should know better. Dutch

AND ALSO DIDNT KNOW MY GRANDFATHER !! ALL OF THE ILLS YOU DESCRIBE IF TRUE WERE BROUGHT ON BY THE ARABS OWN MUSLIM INTRANSIGENCE! THEY HAVE A COUNTRY ITS CALLED JORDAN ! THEY DONT HAVE TO SUFFER ITS WIDE OPEN FOR THEM

I agree with you about that; "youtube" has many video examples of WB settler violence. As you say, shame on them! Regards

You wrote: "...the land that you've stolen. because [sic] it is you and people like you, who make the need to do so emperative [sic]." Please. Do you have anything to add other than the usual stock phrases of those who are unable to think for themselves?

if his forward vision included what now transpires against the palestinians in the west bank, and the settlement policy that has not only robbed them of their land, but has brought the weight of oppression upon them with the daily disruption and curtailment of their livelihoods, education, and their lives; then your grandfather was WRONG! but i would venture to bet that this WAS NOT his dream; nor was it any part of the vision he'd foreseen... i would venture to say, paul harris, that your grandfather would most likely cringe in disbelief were he to see the palestinian grief that is inherently brought by israel's settlement policy... because he would KNOW what it means to suffer such things...and to be a part of inflicting it on his fellow human beings; i seriously doubt if he'd agree.

am i mistaken; or was it not too long ago that your views were a bit different? i don't disagree; not in the least...only it seems to me that your view has taken on a new lease? forgive me if i'm wrong... i'm just wondering... mostly because if my recollection is right... i'm curious to know if your visit to the west bank is what has changed your mind?

A reporter and photographer were in the vehicle at the time of this alleged event. Perfect. Lucky too. So where is the proof? Where are the pictures the professional newspaper photographer took during this incident? Don't see them. don't believe this fiction either. Even BBC does better.

Harrison, There was no country that was partitioned in 1947. It was a geographic area controlled by the British since WW1. Before that it was controlled by the Ottoman Empire for hundreds of years. The geographic area known as "Palestine" was supposed to go entirely to the Jews pursuant to the League of Nations vote in 1922. Back in the 1940s, the term "Palestinian" connoted Jews. Here's my question to you, if there was ever a nation of Palestine, please name one king or queen, or identify a Palestinian coin. The notion of "occupation" is a myth that is contradicted by history.

This is an odd piece of reporting .. nothing said nor quoted from the police nor IDF by this so-called journalist. Strange. How does a guy jump onto a moving jeep and smash in a window with his hands? Come on, if I had some nut on my hood I would accelerate and swerve the car to get the idiot off - and succeed as he 'held' on by the window washer. Ha HA Sure. Uh huh. The writer does not name this person who 'is known' for this type of behavior? It's a funny story. Cheap fantasy.Says a lot about the quality of this publication. Sadly.

when the day comes that the "united nobodys[sic]" arrive to enforce the removal of the settlements; i'll likely not take "too" much pleasure from it, because i realize that most settlers are probably good people, and so i'll empathize with their loss to some extent... ahhhh...but it's those like you my friend, who bring me to relish the thought of that day; when justice rains down upon you in full force as those "united nobodys[sic]" drag you kicking and screaming from the land that you've stolen. because it is you and people like you, who make the need to do so emperative.

Instead of providing a single example of fact, you keep your dribble of name calling, which would not protect you from a libel suit in a court of law: "Camera is a zionist front organisation affiliated with AIPAC to work on campuses to provide zionist propaganda in the face of opposition to Israel`s policies. It has attacked the identical things that AIPAC and ADL have, Jimmy Carter, CNN, Walt and Measheimer etc. No more need be said. They`re propagandists posing as protecters of academic freedom."

It could also be shared. Peace. Steve

Are you really asking me to explain other people's religious beliefs? People in the UK seem to be so strenuously denying religious belief that it sounds like a religion in itself. Just read the Guardian cif and find people hohohoing about it heartily and it seems, defensively.

how you're doing it. i'll bet you i can do it easily. AND, "a haaretz reporter and photographer were in the car at the time"... so tell me efox, are you saying that these two are lying? considering the level of hate that you harbor; i think i'd rather believe what they witnessed with their eyes, than what YOU choose to surmise.

When we live in a moral universe the majority of states might be moral and set an honest tone for HR. If nary a whisper of condemnation is heard against countries where women are forcibly circumcised, while a country in which women can run for president is condemned and scolded by a huge majority?then something is very, very wrong.

or won't admit... is that a mentality that would do something like that, unprovoked; is exactly that of a terrorist. had he had a weapon; what then would have transpired? see...the problem is. whether you care to acknowledge it or not, is that ALL settlements amount to outright theft of land; a theft that is enforced by military might. the owners of the land have no recourse but to withdraw; knowing that to resist the theft will result in military action against them. they're forced to accept their loss for that "fear" of death, with NO avenues open for them to seek justice; ie: fear of terrorism. the settlements are vile seeds of resentment, distrust, and paranoia, the "illegal" ones are even more so. and THAT'S what led to this incident. that and the fact that the culprits know they can act with complete impunity! terrorism comes in many forms, and the most subtle, and most effective, is "state" terrorism; which israel has made crystal clear to trhe world.

SOMEONE WITH YOUR POINT OF VIEW SHOULD BE JOINING YAAKOV ON 42ND ST ! SPURIOUS INTERNATIONAL LAW ? DOES THIS INCLUDE THE 1922 MANDATE ? AS THIS IS THE ONLY RELEVANT TREATY !

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION MY GRANDFATHER WHO WAS ZIONIST WITH HERZL, LOOKED FORWARD TO THE THE DAY WHEN THE JEWSIH STATE BECAME A NORMAL COUNTRY! THIS INCLUDED THE NON "JUDIAC" AS YOU CALL THEM ACTS OF VIOLENCE OR NORMALITY WHICH ARTIFICIALLY CONSTRAINED THE NOW LOST JEWS OF EUROPE !! PS MY GRANDFATHER WAS FROM ALONG LINE OF TALMUDIC SCHOLARS

Instead of providing a single example of fact, you keep your dribble of name calling, which would not protect you from a libel suit in a court of law: "Camera is a zionist front organisation affiliated with AIPAC to work on campuses to provide zionist propaganda in the face of opposition to Israel`s policies. It has attacked the identical things that AIPAC and ADL have, Jimmy Carter, CNN, Walt and Measheimer etc. No more need be said. They`re propagandists posing as protecters of academic freedom."

Sorry that you were jumped by these thugs Don. I had a similar experience near the Jaffa Gate fairly recently while taking some photos a little gang of Jew boyz set on me trying to rip off my cameras and spit and shoved me about. Im a little old guy, but tough as nails believe me you so I let em have it pretty good, verbally and hung on to my gear. Imagine that finally I am home after so many years of dreaming about it and these scum buckets get away with crap like that. I walked over to a police jeep nearby to explain what had just happened. the young Sargeant just looked at me and didn't say a word . I knew he understood me because as I walked away he and his buddy were laughing. Go figure. But again most folks are really and truly great and big hearted.

Sorry I missed you . Im in Miami. About to go to Ca and then off to Dubai on asssignment. Been reading a lot of good stuff. Will fill you in.

The UN offices's , with Tony Blairs office within , sits on the " Hill of Evil Counsel " . The southern hill of Jerusalem also the site of the former British Mandate office and the hill where Ahithophel plotted against the kingdom of David . A very apt location for the UN ( representing the world and islam ) whose agenda along with Rome , the Papacy , EU , UK , Russia is to divide and carve up between themselves JERUSALEM ( the undivided capital of ISRAEL ) and the PROMISED LAND .

by Jews in JUDEA???? It's their land. They - the leftists, the Arabs, the UN, all human rights intruders, should stop the harassment of Jews in Judea. The UN has an abysmal track record of aiding terrorists, of lending their vehicles to terrorists, of providing cover and information to killers of Jews. I too believe the Jews' version of the story. A man against a vehicle??? Pleeease. Can't they even make up a good story?

Well now Fed Up,can you translate, calrification", it seems awfully confusing. It eludes me. Regards

Jake Found and read Yonatan and no change whatever from him.Still the same ranting against our so-called settlers and he wishes them even more harm.Cannot understand this hatefull felings.Coming from an Israeli and a Jew. I'll bet you those so-called settlers were in Israel before he was a resident in our country. We also have Ari ben Yisrael who feels the same way,and he hails from South Africa.I cannot fathom it to be quite frank.Their loss,not ours. *Shabat Shalom*

I would suggest that next time you are in israel, that you travel around the country a bit and see the real israel.it is unfortunate that a small minority of deranged and infantile maniacs give such a abd name to israel and our religion and zionism.They are a cult Don Camillo, a deranged obscurantist cult that have latched onto a very deviant form of Judaism, I assure you they dont speak for most of us.Regards

Aren't you fed up of writing so many posts?

Gabby, Just trying to save you from yourself. Regards

Jake I went up and down and cannot find Yonatan! I know there is one Yonatan from Kfar Sava and that he objects to the so-called settlers. But where oh where is he?Please put s number so that we can idnetify his response. Thanks

I sent him a response congratulating him!

Gabe 1 I loved your well written response to Tosefta and all you presented to him with such obvious calrification.Well done and bravo! Time has come for Tosefta to hang up his computer and key-board,give it a respite and begin a new career. *Shabat Shalom*

A hundred percent correct what you said..

No excuses whatever 17.Read what I put out above,and I personally met many,and they do not act,or behave in this manner. Take Gideon Levy(please take him)is he also a survivor of the "HOLOCAUST"? I have heard he hails from South America.Cannot be positive if he was a survivor though,but wouldn't be at all surprised to learn he was not... surprised he was not!

Hey Marge' I second it too.Of course he can come to our good Israel and very welcome he will be. Trevor,yes you will be welcomed with open arms.

Dear Tamar Please don't waste your time with this Josh goldman,he always comes to some of these forums and rants about everything and anything and take the side of the palis. I have sent him a few responses sometime ago, telling him if he feels so strongly to vacate and relinquish his abode in Jerusalem and give it to the Arabs,which is what they are,not palis,which is a misnomer... I agree with all you wrote and don't waste your breath with that man. p/s Now let us see if Haaretz will put this out

Dear Mary Bulls eye!So it seems,and what do you expect when reading Amira's article? Don't worry my dear girl,many of us are very beholden to your lot over yonder,even if some of our countrymen/women are not. Cheers and *Shabat Shalom*

Sir, I am afraid that you so much finer than I - for me it is just amusing story of British Imbeciles. Being a learned person, you understand how senseless all this. I guess there is no serious scientist in GB or S.Korea or Brasil - who would support it. Those guys are trade unions... Let Mr. Dershowitz have his fun, if likes it. For me all this passe and non consequential. Thank you for the interest. Your humble,

When Mr A.Sharon was PMinister He said that There is an OCCUPATION going on in the Territories. if you want more informations about occupation, contact the UN, the organization that voted for a homeland for the Jews in PALESTINE.Sorry, Steve,what was the name of the country that was PARTITIONED?

I could not have said it better. Please keep a copy of this post for future use.

Gaza, West Bank and the Golan , and Shebba Farms are conqured lands under occupations. That's why we are going to have a new international conference to discuss the occupation.(may be from your planet this word does not exist). Here we want PEACE rather than enless OCCUPATION. Shalom

The behaviour of the settlers concerned are despicable, they deserve to stay in jail for a long time.

them spening some few months in jails.That will put an end to their undemocratic behaviour.

If we are not careful to this sort of unruly behaviour from the settlers, we will end up in the same way as what happened in Gaza recently.

Reading these posts and counter-posts never fails to amaze and embarrass me. Under cover of anonymity, so many of you like to insult, degrade, and threaten those with whom you don't agree. The real issues often just get buried in the avalanche of blather. The issue here is whether or not anyone, including settlers, have a right to attack and harm others like hoodlums and vandals. The events that took place have nothing to do with Jews, Palestinians, or UN personnel. It has to do with sanctioned behavior rather than lawlessness and violence. The only solution, it seems to me, if the State of Israel is to maintain any credibility is to arrest such folks and put them in jail and insist they pay for their misdeeds as well in monetary terms. (we call them damages). The jails should be full of these folks -- who burn others' olive trees, harass farmers, destroy their machinery, and what's worse, pretend this has anything to do with Jewish ethics. shame and shame again.

Back having spent 2 weeks in the WB including Hebron, these 'settlers' cannot be religiously motivated because a religous and spiritual Judaic person would not act like a violent thug. Having experienced the way the indigenous population are caged and banned from harvesting their own olives or being able to walk out of their own front door in Hebron, I can only ask - is this what Zionism means? Is this what Israel has come to? Sorry I missed you in the Omar Khatib cafe by the way - I was busy being spat on and stoned by 'yeshuvim' aka criminals.

Raaya, Tamar Reuveni, Absolute Sweden, Shades. It is always so clear that when the rightists such as yourselves have no proper argument to make you resort to personal attack. That's really all you can do since the rightwing propaganda, the spurious readings of international law, the false histories (cf. Joan Peters and Alan Dershowitz) consistently fall apart upon closer examination. But in the process of launching pathetic personal attacks you only underline the poverty of your position. If I were you guys and girls, I'd give it all up as a bad job.

(Originally posted Feb. 15, 2007) Gabe1 is a singular phenomenon here. He seems unable to think. I try to ignore him, but the guy persists in posting to me. I guess I will prepare one posting exposing his sad condition, and keep posting it every time this golem becomes a nuisance. 1. "Why should Israel actually care if it takes a civil war to dismantle Hamas" And may be the result will be that Fatah is dimantled? 2. "The PA knew in 1993 that there was no way of Israel going back to 1967 or giving up Jerusalem. So why did the Balis sign." In 1993 there was not yet the PA, only the PLO. Perhaps they thought that there WAS a way for Israel to go back? (Israel came very close to it in Taba, and Beilin in the Geneva Accords.) 3. "So you believe that Hamas is not a terror group and that there is and was no terror perpetrated by Hamas and or other terror groups." No. Hamas is a terror group but also a national liberation movement. Liberation is the Goal, terror the Means. Don't confuse the two. 4. "I know that logic is the least of your attributes but let me try to knock some sense into your head." - Gabe1 "It is an ill thing to knock against a deaf, an imbecile, or a minor. He that harms them is culpable, but if they harm him they are not culpable." - Talmud

"We all know that Jews excelled in Science and represented among Nobelists out of proportion (again?!#). It is news that Jews want to defend academic freedoms[?]" - Force 17 I was under the impression you finally got it after I explained it a couple more times for your own special needs. Nobody is taking away from Jews the right to express their opinions. But when you have a worldwide petition on behalf of Israel, one can expect a reasonable showing of non-Jews too. A small number of these is "telling" (just an expression). I will be interested in knowing what it is "telling" you!

"Don`t you get tired of repeating that same post "Shocking, Shocking" time after time by that paragon of impartiality Gideon Levy?" - Curious I am going to repeat it again and again, until you get it right! The correct title is: "I am shocked. Shocked!".

Why do you Israelis attack the UN observers.?They arent even armed. Unless thats why you attack them? Israel should be boycotted until it agrees to follow international law.

"The UN personnel were driving in the South Hebron Hills area when one of the settlers jumped on the car and smashed the windshield, sending shards of glass into the driver's eye. A Haaretz reporter and photographer were in the car at the time, along with three members of the UN's Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA)." I will bet you that Amira the Angry Jewess was that reporter and this was a set up to frame the Settlers. I guess PROVOCATIONS & LIES are News reporting in Haaretz

When told to give them hell, Harry Truman said that he just told the truth,and it felt to them like hell. I can see where the truth can often be unpleasant to zionists. For instance, you probably say adminstrative detention is unfortunate but necessary; that's what the KGB said about zionists and gulag.

Then she is not against roadblocks and checkpoints in general but only against those that prevent terrorist attacks on Israelis. Am I correct?

And what is this supposed to mean? "To other Jews, they may be pleasnat, but to non-Jews, Arabs, Christian avolunteers, they are barbaraic." So , on the one hand you are at pains to depict yourself as 'one of the Jews', but on the other hand you categorize Jews as lovers of barbarism. Stick to one tale.

Thanks for telling me. Maybe she was writing an article about checkpoints and roadblocks, as usual. Then she realized it was the pals who were doing it and came out with this story.

You never fail to amaze me. You can talk for hours without saying anything and you also have a knack of saying the right things for the wrong reason. Your posts are just a soliloquy without any substance. Take for instance the fact that you blame Israel or the USA for the murderous predisposition of your friends the Arabs ,whether in Gaza or Iraq, you know that this is just a bold faced lie but yet you repeat it with such fervour as if it was anything close to resembling the truth. They were killing each other for a very long time and will continue for a long time. History is replete with examples. So how do Israelis fit into this? It would seem that to you this is normal behaviour and you would defend that behaviour to the last virgin. What makes you think that in view of historical precedent the Arabs per se can moderate or even shed their clan and family based behaviour and become modern day Human beings. I see no such progress for at least a few centuries. Why would you not want to help these people with your vast experience in social engineering that you hawk here on a daily basis. You may even become a heroe in the Arab world but alas I fear more likely dead before attaining hero status

Hey. How do you know how God responds? Hilarious.

Interesting reply to Margie however all IRISH Blarney Stone BOGUS. IT IS Important that first you realize that ISRAEL is a JEWISH STATE and your people can either recongnize that fact or just plainly MOVE and if they behave like wild animals they will be pushed out. The UN has no business in Hevron or anywhere else in YEASH or Israel.You have no business on the Haaretz Talkback. The British are still occupying Wales,Scotland and Ireland so you should be complaining about this as well as the multiple atrocities committed by the Bristish during Empire Building. How many natives were killed by the far away British in India, North America, Australia and Africa. And you on behalf of the British have the UNMITIGATED GALL To tell Jews and Israelis what to do.

I for one feel ashamed of the conduct of these individuals and I would like that they are punished for their bad behaviour. And Ipost that here without being afraid that some Jewish writers in this talkbak will have some strong opposing remarks here very soon. There are good and not so very good members in each societies. Jew or Mosalem alike there ar the peaceful ones and not so peaceful ones. I belong to the peaceful group and keep on looking a middle ground without loosing my temper and respect for those who oppose me. Hopefully you will join my group too and use a reconciliatory language in your postings like me. As our group grows we may be approaching a very difficult to reach peace.

EXCUSE ME BUT WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR BY THE SETTLERS???? Are you saying that NO one is allowed but jews in israel??? Wow then why does Condi and others have free passes?? ONLY those who visit Hebron, Gaza and all other Palestinian lands are NOT welcome???? Actually it is JUST this type of behavior that caused God to EXILE the jews.

OMG a Palestinian CHILD throwing rocks are called terrorist by you zionist!!!!! Glass in the eye can blind as a rock can blind, But in the eyes of zionist only zionist can do such acts and call it democracy and always turn it back around and make jokes out of settler attacks/also defending their actions.

Should they be thrown off a roof? Lynched to pieces in the street? Hanged publicly? What?s your suggestion?

"The settlers may set the political agenda in Israel" That's good Yonatan, you are learning fast from the Jew-haters around the world who say "The Zionists set the political agenda in the United States." From now on those Jew-haters will have no reason to be called Jew-haters, because they will be able to say with a straight face, "Look, even Yonatan the Israeli admits that the settler agenda controls Israel."

have a great weekend. take care. easy on lies and politics. you liers :) I love you Atilla Liman Karagözoğlu

I take your response, with its resort to further name calling, to mean that you are unable to provide evidence of factual inaccuracies on CAMERA's part. The sad thing is that there are people here on Talkback who do wish to have a reasonable discussion about our different views, but it is impeded by posters like yourself who have no respect for rational argument.

KUTW There is no news about this false incident in any other newspaper.Nothing in JPOST, nothing in Ynet,and nowhere else.Meantime Amira's coffers are replenished by the many responses she is receiving here,not to mention Haaretz.It seems money talks...

Like 'Mafia front organisation'; or organised 'crime front organisation'? Zionism needs no 'front': Zionism is a proud and legitimate movement Sullivan.

KUTW Perhaps till doomsday???Long time for sure to wait and in vain sorry for you KUTW...

Jake: "I don't CONDONE what they do...THOUGH...you exagerate their crimes for your own goals..." (at least he admits they're crimes). First, I do not exagerate. You have been given websites for viewing the reports and seeing the videos that have been taken of these criminals and the evidence is irrefutable. To other Jews, they may be pleasnat, but to non-Jews, Arabs, Christian avolunteers, they are barbaraic. Again, there is testimony to this and it is not my imagination. The Italians of the south were not going around spitting and kicking the elderly, laughing as children pull off the veils of old women, pushing over vendors produce stalls, shooting at passersby from rooftops. This is not some trumped up ethnic slander. It is the intimidating conduct of a class that has mastery over an occupied population, that has stolen their land and made them prisoners in their own homeland. And to take from your example of the Italians in the south-few if any of these colonist gangs have been br

17 Did/Do yopu indeed? I am surprised,but I think you jest eh? i am sure those two are not worthy to your "maitre a pensee" Never ever for sure,as they are both hateful and two peas in a pod...

Which Posts? Oh yes! I too would like to know where those terrorists are,so we can get at them and stop in their tracks before they begin killing our innocent civilians....

SLAVO spot on!!! Pure bulshit as Jane said...

Jane It is just pure bulshit.Nothing else to say! Just try with a hammer to break or splinter s modern day windshield,particularely when visiting either Gaza,or Rammalah when they have special vehicles and see if you can damage a windshield so easily. Bulshit of the first order.And we will know.Not from Haaretz,but from another better ballanced newspaper if it was so...

"That is why these gangs of crominals must be expelled. They are theives and gangsters, as much as Jake praises and them and lauds their criminality." I don't CONDONE what they do, though of course you exaggerate their crimes for your own goals of seeing all 'Jewish colonists' expelled from Judea, Samaria, East Jerusalem, etc. "Gangsters and thieves", you say. This argument was used against Jews in the United States in the past, especially during the Prohibition Era. Before that, it was used against the Italian-Americans in the South, with lethal results. In the 1890's , the police and local government of New Orleans incited against Italian immigrants, accusing them of being gangsters and saying "we have no more use for Italians." That was enough to incite a mob of good-old-boys to storm the local prison and lynch 11 Italians. 9 were shot dead in their cells, 2 more were taken and hanged, and no one was ever prosecuted. And your incitement is of the exact same nature

common sense Just try and smash a car windscreen and see if it can be smashed as easily as it is reported?And it takes a heavy hammer especially with the strenghtened glass of vehiculars nowadays,not to mention when going into a suspect area.Suspicious is the wrong interpretation..... (I'll bet this is not put out,and it will prove my point)It stinks!!!

C.A.M.E.R.A Is simply the younger brother of A.I.P.A.C. We all know the extent of their propensity for strecthing the truth. Regards

For being honest about the genocidal urges and wishes of the arabs towards to jews in 48 and since then.Rare to see an Arab speak openly but then again we can always count on your hate to "blow your cover" cant we!! Thanks and please write soon.

Sir, We all know that Jews excelled in Science and represented among Nobelists out of proportion (again?!#). It is news that Jews want to defend academic freedoms. Still these guys failed to impress you - what can we do? On the other hand, Dershowitz is a lawyer and it is his profession to deal with scoundrels. He is in his turf. Real news is that they teach Yiddish in Tveria. Congrats.

Camera is a zionist front organisation affiliated with AIPAC to work on campuses to provide zionist propaganda in the face of opposition to Israel's policies. It has attacked the identical things that AIPAC and ADL have, Jimmy Carter, CNN, Walt and Measheimer etc. No more need be said. They're propagandists posing as protecters of academic freedom.

You state that all settlers are living illegally on Palestinian lands. Yet Eugene Rostow, one of the drafters of UN Resolution 242 and former dean of the Yale Law School, states that "the Jewish right of settlement in the area is equivalent in every way to the right of the local population to live there." Now, I believe reasonable people can differ on the question of the legality of the settlements; there are strong legal arguments on both sides. What disturbs me is that on Talkback a group of regular posters refuse to recognize any view other than the one they hold on this legal question as having any possible legitimacy. Do you believe reasonable people can differ on this question?

Israeli society." Have you checked out Yaffo's latest throat cutting? How about the gang shootings, crime statistics in the cities, etc.? Hmmm... the WB settlers, the most violent segment? Huh? Please engage brain before putting mouth into gear.

Which posts label all Palestinians as terrorists? I'm not saying there are none, but please let me know where to find them.

The Settlers should be renamed :" Terrorists". Period.

The really sick part of this is that there are those as this one who goes under the moniler of "Jake" who condone and justify what Tosefta writes about from the Haaretz article in posting #179. That is why these gangs of crominals must be expelled. They are theives and gangsters, as much as Jake praises and them and lauds their criminality.

Question: Don't you get tired of repeating that same post "Shocking, Shocking" time after time by that paragon of impartiality Gideon Levy? Another question: Any similar report you might care to share about Jewish victimization and murder of Jews by those "persecuted, innocent and peaceful" Arabs in Judea & Samaria?

a sad, misleading report in which no one was harmed. I was horrified when I read the headline. I read the article and found...a guy (who should be arrested) jumped on the hood of a car and refused to move. When the driver began driving with the guy stuck to the windshield, it broke. It's a crime. He should be arrested. And people complain that they are so violent, they are the real problem, they are stealing land...1. I never hear similar stories about Arabs. They tend to use bombs, bullets, and grenades and sometimes cement bricks to kill people, not cling to their windshield in protest. 2. The land in and around Hebron in question is generally, Jewish owned. The Jewish owners were driven out in 1929.

I think we've had enough name calling on Talkback. If you have specific examples of CAMERA not being factually accurate, please provide them. You didn't in your post but.

The irritation of some readers at the whole sale labeling of settlers as criminals, reminds me of the frequent posts I see here that label all Palestinians as terrorists. Yes, not all settlers are criminals, but all of them are illegally living on Palestinian lands.

From my childhood I got accustomed to trust every word of Gedeon. His and Amira's.