'Settlement activity comparable to bus bombings in Tel Aviv'

Watching your mother get torn to bits by a bomb is equal to watching your family watch while someone builds a house on land that they say used to have thier house. If those two are the same for you, you should see a shrink, a house is just bricks, a human is much more than blood, bones skins and veins, they have a world to offer. To be honest if what you said is true I pity you, it means oyu haven't made worthwile human connnections in your life only sentimental ones and that is a shame, one of the best parts of life is the human connection. I never pitied you until today. I hope you have a merry xmas and happy new year where you learn the value of the human connection

#12 dino my bedouin brother, cant we, you and I put down the sword, against our brother from Abraham and Ishmael and Tell the truth for once the Temple Mount Aways was jewish, thats what the imamms and caliphs said long ago? Why should more of our brothers blood be shed for Our lies. For west bank and Gaza belong to the Yehude I know it and so do you. For the settlements have more right to be built on by the yehude than we do, We have the heshemite kingdom, syria, lebanon, these are where are people are from?

although the occupation and the settlements ARE crimes in their OWN right, and their residents DO commit acts of terror that sometimes ARE comparable.

to compare a defensless girl coming from an innocent family to palestinians who are not innocent of the trouble they are in. From refusing their country in 48 and since then, by negating all peace conference outcomes by starting intifadas & backing suicide bombers, by their charters, by selecting leaders who lead them to disaster & get rich pocketing all the foreign donations intented for the people, by educating their children to be shaheed, by siding with Iran & the backward imams, palestinians have created their own cesspool. Only true peace seekers on the Palestinian side, can save them. If those exist, the population should endorse them & follow their lead. Israelis are ready to negotiate with them, not the so called moderate pal leaders who are so quick to stab them in the back.

1. England has promised that they will leave Ulster immediately if the people there vote for them to leave. Since the people there do not want England to leave, England hasn't. What right do yo have to tell them what country they should belong to? 2. The fact that Argentine says the islands are theirs doesn't make it so. they invaded and lost, as they should. Would you allow your citizens to be taken over by a country with thousands of "disappeared" in its recent history?

There is a difference between bombing a bus in Tel Aviv and seizing Palestinian land: Fast death and Slow death!

Why does Haaretz always refer to Dahlan as a 'strongman'? This is the guy who blew his attempt at a coup against Hamas in Gaza and was run out with his tail between his legs and his ears back.

although the occupation and the settlements ARE crimes in their OWN right, and their residents DO commit acts of terror that sometimes ARE comparable.

Haganah - (Hebrew - pronounced "hah gah nah' ) Literally "defense." (see also Hagannah - comprehensive history). Underground organization first conceived in January 1920 and officially founded June 1920 during the British Mandate for Palestine, to protect the Jewish Yishuv (settlement) from ARAB RIOTS and VIOLENCE. The official name was "Irgun Hahagannah Haivri" - The Jewish Defense Organization.; http://www.zionism-israel.com/dic/Haganah.htm More studies; http://www.zionism-israel.com/his/Israel_war_independence_1948_timeline.htm http://www.zionism-israel.com/vic/Terror_main.htm

Why don't you advise the Islamist-Jihadists to return to their historic homeland in Arabia? The Land of Israel belongs to the Jews since ancient time. It is GOD-GIVEN and GOD-RESTORED to the Jews. The Islamist-Jihadists have no right usurping the Land of Israel from the Jews.

...he just doesn't like Jews. I'm sure there's a difference

You sanctify Jewish life at the expense of Palestinian life. Unlike Israelis, Palestinians are willing to sacrifice their own lives for their beliefs. They are to be admired.

The Jewish settlements being built are illegal under international law. In reality they are slowly killing the Palestinian nation which is a possibly worse crime than killing a few individuals who forceable occupied thhe land in 1948 after the British disarmed the Palestinian Arabs. The land has been inhabited for some 55, 000 years. There should only be one nation with a mixture of religions as all have philosophical validity. However the illegal settlements are immoral and should be destroyed.

Dahlan is right. What's the difference between throwing someone alive in a blazing inferno and letting him slowly burn till he dies?

A Taliban-ized Afghanistan was not accepted ? A Zinoist Israel must also be not accepted. Otherwise you are guilty of a double standard and may be called as Hypocrites. One state with all the people in it. The majority dictates what the rule of the law is - isn't that democracy ? I see this as the solution to all the fighting ? Do you not agree ?

In the US there is this guy who kidnapped a little girl and trqpped her in his backyard for like 20 yrs. He raped her, humiliated her and did not let her leave the dungeon he created for her. In the end, she was able to escape and the police arrested this filth of a human being. I see similarity here. Israel (under some false pretense) has imprisoned the palestenians , raped them of their dignity, stole their land and does not let them roam around. In the end, God Almighty will be the final judge. Who will the Israeli government blame then ? Will the US be able to help this terrorist nation against God Almighty ? To my palestenian brothers, pray and ask God Almighty to help you. I am too praying for you.

Everybody should be able to go anywhere. It's ridiculous to tell people they can't go to this place or that place based on religion. What everybody should do is just sell tickets to see this place or that place. If Jews want to pray at Al-Aqsa, they can buy a ticket from the Muslims. If Muslims want to visit Jewish places, they can buy a ticket from the Jews. Then when you get in, there are rules just like anywhere else. For instance, in some places around here, it will cost you $300-$600 if you are a litter bug. That's how civilized nations handle problems. They charge admission prices and fines. That's all.

The world is almost a basic split of Christian and half Muslim decent with Buddhist and Confusionism the other major players in world religion. We need to realize that there are simularities that we as a people living in one area need to appreciate the finer qualities of one another and their religious based. I dont think I am going to stand and look over a fence at my neighbor on his prayer mat. I might give him privacy to worship. I dont think I am going to have my neighbor peaking in my church as Mass to watch me. He might give me privacy. If his arms are full of groceries I will open the gate for him or hold it while looking down in appropriateness so his wife will not be jealous. Why do I have to throw rocks at him or launch a rocket. I wonder is the power of his prayer equal to mine? Rankoo my adult name I was honored with. Karoon... as I walked as a child I thought like a child but at 39 I became and adult...

There, Robert, how does it feel to be called an anti-semite? Obviously I don't think you are one, but it makes as much sense as calling me one, so we might as well all get in on th fun. In relation to your specific point, you can't seem to see how I can think there is some point in Dahlan's comments and yet still regard suicide bombing as wrong. Well because I regard settlement expansion as wrong as well. There that was easy.

"well then accordingly all Jews/Israelis/Arabs should be allowed to settle where they please including the West Bank. Unless, of course, you would prefer an apartheid state of Palestine. Isn`t that exactly what you advocate? See how really stupid your position is on this issue" All Jews/Israelis/Arabs should be allowed to settle where they please including the West Bank? That's fine by me Lynn. At least that's logical and moral. You're suggesting the one state solution. Well done Lynn. Alternatively gove the Pals freedom and their own state on the whole WB, with the Jewish settlers getting Palestinian citizenship. Personally I'm happy with either. Any OTHER position is stupid and immoral. What's yours?

...a process in work (especially good to see in East Jerusalem). I always call it "ethnic cleansing" soft style.

Interesting choice of terminology given the mass rapes of innocent young Irish lads by your Priests. At last count 700 Priests identified as child molesters with a body count of OVER 7000 victims. All the while the Priests are protected by the Vatican AND your government including Richardson - who tries to divert attention by attacking Jews. Just google "http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=irish+priests+abuse&aq=f&aqi=g3&oq=&fp=2cca7b2e99206b9c" Happy reading. And try not to be too sanctimonious.

At last someone with common sense! as for the rest of you morons who think there is no cause for these people fighting to survive read this The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Ilan Pappe

Settlements are an intrusive barrier to a cohesive Palestinian nation, and the settlers in many areas are a violent affront to the Palestinian people. The few Gazans that fire rockets are brethern to Israeli settlers that attack Palestinians. They both have violence as their mantra and will continue their ideology wars. Unfortunately Israeli leadership protects the violent settlers but punishes the friends, families and neighbors of the Gaza rocket builders. Collective punishment is a war crime under the Geneva Convention. There is an attitude on the part of Israeli leadership that must change, and settlements exemplify the worst face of that leadership.

Mohammed Dahlan is starting to lay the foundations to justify Intifada #3. Very well Mr Dahlan if that is what you want so be it. You lost the last two Intifada's, what makes you think you can win #3. All you do is to make obtuse comments and show the hatred you have for us. Nothing is ever constructive with you its always destructive.

In the same way that the terrirists have poitical wings and terror wings why doesn't Israel also set- up "unconnected" terror wings that return the same terror. This is obviously an acceptable approach to world opinion (until the jews do it)

`Settlements are comparable to blowing up buses in Tel Aviv` "At first it does seem a startling statement, but in many ways the guy is right." This is what you wrote Micheal. Then you write that suicide bombings is a crime. So which is it? I am not surprised given the long standing hgypocrisy that is inherent in the British tradition. FYI, I am against Israeli settlements in the West Bank. But that is not what this thread is all about, is it? Unlike you, I do not wish the extinction of Israel and support its' existence as a Jewish State. That is only possible when Jews constitute a majority and that cannot happen with the West Bank as part of Israel. Given the virulent anti-semitism in the world and reflected by the postings on this web site, it makes me even more convinced why Israel must continue to exist as a Jewish State. Left to themselves, the Europeans would have wiped us out a long time ago just as the Muslims led by Iran would do today.

you black, I am white -ups the other way around. Hihi, I am getting it all mixed up these days. LoL

Hey Michael, you don't think anyone actually believes you, do you?? You have a lot of answering to do before your claim that you're no Anti-Semite is to be believed. You have a long track record on these talkback forums to explain first. Anyway, there's a world full of much much worse crimes that you should focus on first before the IP conflict, including your very own home country. I live in South Africa (former British colony), I know. There's plenty of human rights abuses the world over, if that is your REAL concern.

Big problem with your assertion that settlement is "done with the intent of pushing the native population out". If that were the intent it would have been accomplished long ago. Palestinians have not been sent anywhere.

A people subjegetaed and living under an occupation have the right to defend themselves "by ANY means neccessary" it would be better if the Palestinians could defend themselves by words alone, by showing of wrong and evil the zionist occupation is, however since that is not working, and since israel has tanks, planes, missels etc, whatevere is left is legitimate. Want the violonce to end? allow the Palestinian people to realize their right to self determination in their own land.

I do believe Esther has not posted anything yet, therefore what is your post referring to exactly?? I admire you for consistently trying (without success obviously) to defend the indefensible.

Is it me, or is it rather those among the Israeli/Diaspora audience, who don't understand that by expanding the settlements, Jewish Israelis will lose EVERYTHING in the end...??? Because on the long term, the world will never accept a "2 class society" within a Greater Israel, so all the Palestinians must do is being patient and wait till the international community will allow them to go back to Tel Aviv and Haifa as citizens of Israel (or maybe then "Isratine").....

....ALL of the West Bank as their land, and (at least) 99 of them will answer you with "yes". I am fully convinced that even 90 % of the members of the current Israeli governement will answer that question with "yes"....

It is an affront to justice that this mass murderer is still alive. People who listen to this devil are nearly as evil as he is as well. Taking my money and buying land and building a home is definitely not the same as mass murder and all the Palestinians, their friends and as many Nuremberg type laws as they can think of will not change that reality.

but we are well capable of making peace---our way. Britain no longer occupies Nortern Ireland. See the Good friday Agreement. While you are at it--instead of making sheepish remarks to Michael--spend a little time studying the way in which peace was arrived at in Northen Ireland. It is called compromise---from both sides. You are so full BS , AS. Why do you only point out your concerns about Northern Irelan to Michael. What about Morris Valentine--He also opposes illeagl settlements. Or how about rich or Akram Zakaria--or Ian of three cheers for Israel fame ???.

and markets up. Just Google "Irgun/stern/Lehi/Hagannah" Happy reading. And try not to be too sanctimonious.

mass murder and terror.

"This may be news to you, but there already are Palestinian settlements in Israel, to the tune of 1.5 million Palestinians and their population is growing" Well, wrong on two counts. First, they're not Pals, they're Israelis. Secondly in my original post, I specifically said for people like you ' You can`t count long term Arab villages in Israel that escaped the ethnic cleansing and panic of 1948.'

all Jews/Israelis/Arabs should be allowed to settle where they please including the West Bank. Unless, of course, you would prefer an apartheid state of Palestine. Isn't that exactly what you advocate? See how really stupid your position is on this issue.

Danger to Al-Aqsa. As if Dahlan doesn't know this isn't true!

My 21-year-old neighbor, Roie, was murdered in a Jerusalem bus bombing on 11 June 2003. His mother showed me his wallet that he carried in his breast pocket with small pellet holes through all of the faces of pictures of those he loved. When a bomb ripped through the Mahane Yehuda Fruit and Vegetable market, I joined my colleagues in the Shaare Zedek ER to care for 55 patients that arrived within 20 minutes. Another 100 wounded went to Hadassah and Bikur Holim. Our gloves covered our wrists, but we were elbow deep in human blood.

The Arabs in israel are Israeli citizens, not settlers. Big difference. The equivalent of the Jewish settlers in the West Bank would be if you let random Arabs from around the region with little more than an emotional or very distant historical relationship with Palestine settle in Israel, and live there under a preferential judicial system biased against the Jewish inhabitants. The question is: if it is important and justified that Jews from Hebron re-settle Hebron, why not let the Arabs from Lydda and Ramlah re-settle those Arab towns?

"And if you think the settlements are fine, then support Pal settlements in Israel. That`s fair isn`t it. " This may be news to you, but there already are Palestinian settlements in Israel, to the tune of 1.5 million Palestinians and their population is growing. Oh, that's right, you conveniently don't refer to them as settlements. Only Jews living on lands which were taken by Egypt in Jordan in 1948 and kept Jew-free for a mere 19 years are "settlers."

It is a silly comparison made by a people who believe in a "culture of death" mentality. We must remember 1) they raise their children to kill themselves (a sick form of child abuse) 2) they educate their children to hate Jewish people, simply because they are Jewish (it's called racism). 3) they make statements like building a house is the same as blowing up a bus (morons like you agree with them). The fact is settlement expansion can and is a restrained (non-violent)way to get the Pals to the peace table...the theory being hurry up or you'll lose it all...a clever way to force an enemy who has NO interest in peace to come to the table. Israel with its overwhelming power could annihilate the Pals anytime...I wonder if the situation was reversed would the Pals have shown the same restraint against the Jews. What do you think? If history is any lesson we all know what the Pals would have done! CASE CLOSED

Irish have never said they wanted England as their country. Pals say it about Israel. And thank you for admitting IRA was right in blowing up bombs in London. Now, hurry up , evacuate those illegal settlements in Ulster and bring Welsh sheep-shaggers home from Islas Malvinas. Hurry,chop ,chop.

"To all critics of Dahlan: let Pals settle Israel then." They already are, genius. There are 1.5 million Arabs in Israel and their numbers continue growing. Pay attention to the basic realities on the planet you live on.

"But what otherwise would be a pretty harmless act (building houses), becomes a very violent act, when it is done with the purpose of pushing the native population out of their homestate." If a Jew builds a home on Jewish-owned land in the West Bank, how, exactly does that push an Arab out of the West Bank? Is the West Bank so small, that if a Jew moves into a new home there, it forces an Arab out? Get real.

As if hearing Leftie Esther from TA. She also tinks the same ? Absolute Sweden Esther desires peace. I suppose that makes her a leftist. It appears that you desire peace more than her. You do hide behind a foreign flag, live in a country of convenience to avoid the discomforts and distress of the everyday risks and hardships of those that possess the courage of their convictions. You desire peace more than she does. Doesn?t that not make you more of a leftie than her? BTW, I do not think that she tinks the same as you!

As so soften on these boards you're totally abusing the phrase anti-semite. An anti-semite hates Jews because they're Jews. I don't hate Jews at all. I'm not even trying to justify suicide bombings against Jews. I think they're a hideous crime. But I also think the settlements are a crime. And if you think the settlements are fine, then support Pal settlements in Israel. That's fair isn't it. Don't just resort to childish and inaccurate invective.

Bad example, as usual from you Abs. All Irish, north and south can settle anywhere they line Britain. And, of course, even during the IRA bombing northern Irish catholics were still full UK citizens with all the rights that means. Totally different to the oppressed Pals, I'm sure you'd agree!

Only a 24 Carat gold anti-semite would justify the killing of innocent civilians because they are Jews with the building of homes in land captured during War. Then The poster who stated that the the IRA bombing of London with the occupation of Ireland, or the Mau Mau in Kenya for British occupation of Kenya, the bombing of the King David because of the British occupation of Palestine, or the London bombers because of the British occupation of Iraq and Afganistan seems eminently justifiable. Dahlan should have been left to Hamas rather than being evacuated out of Gaza to the West bank by Israel. If so, he would have been hanged from a tree two years ago.

"What is the difference between blowing up a bus in Tel Aviv and taking over Palestinian land?" Dahlan asked...." Um, blowing up busses KILLS people, while settlements don't? Or...don't you see that? By the way: its not your land to take.

"What if Israel would try blowing up buses in Gaza and the West Banks while the Palestinians would try to build settlements in Israel? What? Are there no buses in Palestine?" Try to turn around Mr Dahlan's argument? well, I would love to see the Israeli reaction to 300'000 new Pal refugees returning from Jordan, Lebanon or Syria allowed to settle within Israel (pretty much everywhere they want) by just stealing the land& water from their Israeli neighbours, driving on exclusively Pal. highways that would cut up whole Israel, while the PA puts up checkpoints all over Israel to protect these heavily armed settlers.What a sight! Israel would not have to change its behavior,just blowing up something in Gaza once in a while, as they do it for years now.So where's your point,exactly?! BTW: never been in the WB, heh?there are plenty of buses all over the place, and when you buy a ticket, u can even get a ride,astonishing heh?!U don't know that from the DB?thought so...

people dead and are possible to relocate when deemed necessary, while the memory of those killed in suicide bombings is hard to recover from. Thats a difference

provoke and steal...world is tired of you and you only been a state for 60 unhappy yrs....your creation was a big mistake and has only lead to more violence and trouble

If you are living in the 21st Century then why you and your followers always mention "God promissed us and God said so and so." By mentioning all these religious words means you are living much much before the 7th century.

ndon in revenge for British settlements in Ulster ? Return it Michael ,pronto ,don't obfuscate ,don't preach on Israel ,charity starts at home,Brits out of Ulster now! And Islas Malvinas !Your Welsh could shag their sheep at home ,they don't need to do it in North Atlantic,on Argentinian territory.

There goes Dino, justifies cold-blooded murder. Don't deny it, you pervert. How dare anyone defend random murder of innocent people on a bus, innocent people in a disco ?? Dino, for your info in your limited mental capacity, the land was lost by the Pals in 1967 due to their aggression in starting this war, and not coming to terms with Israel as a reality. If you advocate Palestinian statehood, why weren't you on the soapbox in the early 60's forming a State. Because you, and the rest of the world didn't give a damn about this issue. Only when the Jews are involved does it bother you, enough of your sick views.

One wanders why he is not returning to his beloved Gaza

'Settlements are comparable to blowing up buses in Tel Aviv' At first it does seem a startling statement, but in many ways the guy is right. Bus bombings made Israeli life unbearable and the Pals were obliged under the road map to stop them, which they have. Settlements make Pal life unbearable, and Israel was obliged under the road map to stop them, which it has not done. And to all those throwing invective at Dahlan here, you just have to say: OK, you think settelements are harmless. Fine. Then let the Pals start building settlements in Israel. New settlements, of course, with Pal-only roads and infrastructure attached and Pal soldiers guarding them. You can't count long term Arab villages in Israel that escaped the ethnic cleansing and panic of 1948.

And who exactly do you represent, sir? weren't you kicked out of Gaza two years ago? where are you hiding? (Thanks Mirvat)

She also tinks the same.

These dark forces are obsessed on ethnically cleansing Jews living in their own liberated historic homeland of Judea and Samaria. When Islamist-Jihadists in the Balkans were cleansed by the Serbs, they cried baby. But the Islamist-Jihadists themselves are crusading on ethnically cleansing Jews living in their own historic homeland of Judea and Samaria. The world should open their eyes to such venom. The fact is the enemy of the Free World is Islamist-Jihadism! Israel and the Free World can tell Dahlan and his cohorts to go to Hell.

Arab-Muslim-Palestinian terrorists just don't get it. You can dispute competing national claims all you want, but there's all the difference in the world between building communities where life can thrive and destroying life. Would that the only crime the Arabs committed against the Jews was stealing our national homeland buy building wonderful, productive, Arab communities. With such a nation we could make peace.

I disagree with both actions described as equal. I think equating these two is an irrelevant issue, since it does nothing positive to advance the cause of peace. People should refrain from flamboyant descriptions. If you don't have anything to say that will advance the success of peace, then shut up. Everyone is endowed with the ability to infuriate and inflame passions, we have plenty of these guys unfortunately. what we need is more people on the side of common goals, coexistence, peace and harmony for the good of both people.

we build homes for men. women & children. they kill men women & children. Jews give homes & money to arab children. Arabs murder jewish children. The Arab logic. :-( :-(

I believe you talk about your goverment?? Stop the occupation Israel!

whatever it takes to be violent...

In fact, ALL settlements in Gaza were removed. I therefore demand that Mohammed Dahlan resurrect as many dead Jews as he feels represents a value equal to the removed settlements -- as he has stipulated.

The more Jews, the more peace. Every inch of Israel should be 'settled' by Jews! Enough Jews secures more peace.

No doubt about it !!!

One kills people, the other doesn't. Typical palestinian mentality can't even make the difference?! Maybe they don't deserve to hold onto their land after all...

Yes, of course, from a physical point of view, blowing up buses is more violent than building Jewish homes in the West Bank. But what otherwise would be a pretty harmless act (building houses), becomes a very violent act, when it is done with the purpose of pushing the native population out of their homestate. It may not be as "bloody" as blowing up buses, but it causes (at least) as much harm and sorrow....

What if Israel would try blowing up buses in Gaza and the West Banks while the Palestinians would try to build settlements in Israel? What? Are there no buses in Palestine? Looking for something equivalent than. Is that a deal? Mr Dahlan should stay by his word. Cynical? No: it's his statement turned head down. If Mr. Dahlan's statement is not cynical -than is this humble proposal neither. Hope nobody takes my proposal serious. Sympthomatic is however, Mr. Dahlan's thoughts will find massive support even among the readers of Haaretz.

Dahlan has turned from a "strongman" into just another Palestinian old goat bleating the same old lies. There is no "danger" to the Al-Aqsa Mosque. The Jews are not going to take it over, and unlike the intolerant and racist Palestinians, Muslims will continue to be allowed to pray there. Yes, there are certainly restrictions like we saw last week during the Sukkot holiday. Why? Because in the past the Muslims at the mosque hurled rocks onto the Jewish worshipers below, and there was every indication that they would do it again. Over and over again, the Palestinians show their religious intolerance and racism. Like Dahlan, they justify their war crimes (suicide bombings) as if they had the right to kill with impunity. They don't. Their leaders must be put on trial for their war crimes.

The utter "nonsence an lies" coming out of these peoples mouthes every day AGAIN is beyond believe. If their name was "Pinoccio", their noses would have grown from Ramallah to London.But even worse are those people who eat all these "spagettie tales";.....this being many people on the way from Ramallah to London.

..there can never be peace with the Arabs. They will never be able to understand the difference between building and destruction, peace and war, good and bad, truth and lies etc..It's a long tradition! If they had some common sense they would tell us to build, build and build more roads, infrastructures, new villages and towns..who knows one day the Jews will evacuate all that and the Arabs would benefit from it (if they don't destroy that to!) in the mean time thousands of Arab families are living from the so-called settlements constructions!

the murderous mentality of Dahlan & Co.

There is enough place in the desert for every man.

The difference is that one kills people directly while the other doesn't. However, the similarity is that both delay peace and seem to be evidence that the guilty side doesn't want peace.

For the posters in Tel Aviv who think their lives are safe because they support Arabs, it's nice to know how the Arabs consider them -- as fodder for suicide attacks. Matter of fact, two of the more horrible attacks -- the one on the teenagers' festivities as well as the one on the seder dinner, occurred not far from Tel Aviv.

they destruction. We seek creativity and they stagnation. We live in the 21st century and they in the 7th.

I wonder how long this protest will last. First I read how Moslem worshippers are in a mosque, reacting to the . . . Moslems in a mosque?! What's so strange about that? Then the last paragraph describes the lethargic response of Arab Palestinians in Gaza who show little interest in the goings on in Jerusalem. Do Moslems in India, where they lost out to the Hindus in Ayodjia, or Indonesian Moslems who are recovering from their Tsunami, or Moslems in France who have their hands full with their struggle to maintain the rules regarding modesty among the girls and women. Maybe their is some "still small voice in a mosque in Brooklyn" waving a Palestinian flag, but it seems to me that there are many more Moslems who are not Arabs, and even fewer who are Palestinian who could care less about El Aksa.