Russia: We will consider 'smart' Iran sanctions
Iran FM says Israel unlikely to strike it's nuclear sites since it was weak, but might do 'something crazy.'
By Barak Ravid Haaretz Service Tags: IAEA Israel news Iran nuclearRussia will consider "smart" sanctions against Iran if diplomatic efforts fail to prompt Tehran to give in to international demands over its nuclear program, President Dmitry Medvedev said on Monday.
Medvedev, speaking after a Paris meeting with French President Nikola Sarkozy, said he hopes sanctions can be avoided and that they must not target Iran's civilian population.
Earlier Monday, Senator John Kerry told reporters in Jerusalem that he did not believe Israel will act on its own against Iran's nuclear program, adding that Washington and Israel were in agreement as to how to deal with the issue.
Iran itself, however, refused to rule out the possibility of an Israeli strike, with Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki saying that while Israel was weakened by its recent battles with Islamist militant groups, it could still do "something crazy."
"The Zionist regime is not in a position to somehow wage another war in the region," Mottaki told reporters in Geneva.
He said the war in Lebanon in 2006 with Hezbollah and the intense fighting in the Gaza Strip in 2008-09, mainly with Hamas, had weakened Israel.
However, "it is possible they will do something crazy," Mottaki said, after addressing the United Nations Human Rights Council, which was in session.
Regarding the possibility that Israel would act militarily against Tehran, Senator Kerry told a press conference following separate meetings with Opposition Leader Tzipi Livni and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that he believed Netanyahu understood what the U.S. was trying to achieve with diplomacy.
"I think that the prime minister is fully aware through his conversations with the administration as well as through his own comments to not be rash or not jump the gun and to give the other opportunities a chance," Kerry said.
Kerry, who is chair of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, said after his meeting with Netanyahu that increased discussion between the two allies, expected to continues with a planned visit by U.S. Vice President Joe Biden, was meant to ensure Israel and the U.S. were "all on the same page on what options might be on the table."
"I think we are on the same page," Kerry said, adding that he "found the prime minister very supportive of the initiative we are taking right now and hopeful that they can have an impact."
Kerry's comments came just as the chief of the International Atomic Energy Agency Yukiya Amano said earlier Monday that he could not confirm that all of Iran's nuclear activities are peaceful, adding that Iran has not given the IAEA the level of cooperation necessary to make a determination on that issue.
Amano spoke Monday at the start of a 35-nation IAEA board meeting focusing on Iran's nuclear defiance.
Iran has refused to heed UN Security Council demands that it stop uranium enrichment. It also is stonewalling an International Atomic Energy Agency probe of its alleged attempts to build a nuclear weapons program.
Iran insists its activities are peaceful. Many nations fear it wants to build nuclear weapons.
Also on Monday, Tehran's envoy to the IAEA said that Iran has moved a stock of enriched uranium back underground after drawing what it needed to refine the material up to 20 percent purity.
Iran has said its move to feed low-enriched uranium (LEU) into centrifuges for higher-scale refinement is for peaceful purposes so that it can make fuel for nuclear medicine.
Western officials and UN inspectors doubt Iran's explanation since it lacks the technical capacity to convert higher-enriched uranium into fuel rods for its medical isotope reactor, whose Argentine-provided fuel stock is running out.
They fear Iran wants to advance along the road to producing high-enriched -- 90 percent purity -- uranium suitable for the fissile core of an atomic bomb, if it chose later to do so.
Iran said it started higher enrichment at the Natanz pilot nuclear fuel facility last month because it was frustrated at the collapse of an IAEA-backed plan for big powers to provide it with the necessary fuel rods.
Western diplomats also questioned why Iran had moved the bulk of its LEU -- 1.95 tons -- out of its underground main enrichment plant at Natanz, a much larger amount than would be needed to produce fuel for the reactor in the medium term.
"[This] was merely for producing material for the Iran research reactor. That is why that container is [now] back to its original location," Ali Asghar Soltanieh, Iran's ambassador to the IAEA, told reporters.
He dismissed media reports that the move might have been a provocation aimed at adversaries such as Israel, which views the Iranian nuclear energy program as an existential threat.
The reports speculated that Iranian hardliners wanted to provoke an Israeli air strike on Iran's nuclear stockpile to provide a pretext for Tehran to kick out IAEA inspectors and develop nuclear weapons as a national security priority.
"For your information, [we] just moved the capsule because technically they needed it and they have put it back. We used we material which we needed for the Tehran Research Reactor," Soltanieh said, speaking in English during a break in a meeting of the IAEA's 35-nation board of governors meeting.
Diplomats there discounted the chance of political reasons for Iran having moved much of its LEU stockpile above ground.
"A more likely reason was that Iran needed a large container to provide a steady feed with sufficient pressure for 20 percent enrichment," said one senior diplomat close to the IAEA.
"In any case, this container can be moved back and forth between the pilot and main Natanz facilities in a half hour or so. So it could be moved quickly anyway," he told Reuters.
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If you would read properly God said only when the people of the promise land (jews) can get along with the rest of the world is when they can go back to the promise land. That still hasn't happened, so stop with all this bull. Even well known jews in the states confirm this. So stop blaming evey other country for problems you have caused yourself. And for Iran, they are looking to have an equal footing with Israel whom till today still deny that they have nuclear bombs, SO PLEASE DON'T TRY AND MAKE PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD BELIEVE THAT YOUR THE GOOD GUYS. Sorry but that is reality friend
First and foremost if Israel would say that they are equal people just like everybody else on this human planet and act like an actual democracy instead of threatening everybody around them and using the stupid excuse that Lebanon, Syria, Palestine and Iran are a threat to their existance maybe then the rest of the world would agree. But right now, the majority of the world population knows that the Israel government is the biggest reason why we don't have peace in the middle east. When Israel starts treating other people as their equal, then we might have a chance at peace
if it has people like you in their army, and heres a baffling thought, why are you not alarmed at the amount of jewish representatives in your government (47%) as opposed to arabs (1%)?, and tell me "x-military", with all the "knowledge" you have, why haven't you won any wars lately? just because you invade and stay there for a few years doesn't mean you have won. there is NO islam conspiracy, otherwise we'de have muslims running our country or them having a huge opposition party in any government, so please tell me where muslims as opposed to jews are in power excluding muslim/arab countries, do tell.
I think Israel is going to go pre-emptive again and nuke Iran within six months.
Mark you like to trow out statements without having the facts. In 1967 Egypt had 80% of its army in Sinai,by the time the Israelis attacked the Egyptian army was well intrenched, yes the Soviet Union gave Egypt information Nasser wanted to hear. It was Nasser, responsible for Egypt's defeat, He was in the air at the time of Israeli air strikes,and all Egyptian raidar was ordered to shut down incase some one would target Nasser's plane. With air supperiority, Israel was able to defeat Egypt's army. As far as the Moslem conspiracy against the world, you are right there is no conspiracy, it is their religious belief, thought to them from birth, that god wants Islam to rule the world and will be their support in conquring all non believers.
A history for Mark Lincoln,Muslims were responsible for murdering dozens of Australians and other innocent vacationers in Bali ,so to in Mumbai,the masacre of Westerners in hotels ,pubs ,the massacre of Indian travellers in the main Mumbai train station ,then we have the Islamic terror group Abu Sayaf ,that kills in the name of Alah ,you were saying,?
Talking about constitutions ,why is it that the Muslims in Bosnia-Herzegovina won,t accept the country,s lawful constitution ,Labhras ,what are they afraid of ,democracy and it,s freedoms ?
So stop the wastage of taxpayers money on propping up Muslim dictators in Afghanistan,Pakist an,Egypt ,Saudi Arabia,Kuwait ,the UAE,Somalia ,Yemen ,not so Palestinian Ilene?
M.L.:"Indonesia (Bali) has the third largest Muslim population." Bali is overwhelmingly peace loving HINDU Mark. More than 90%. The whole reason that Bali was singled out by Jemaah Islamiyah for terrorism is that it was a HINDU enclave that attracted westerners. And trust me they weren't very happy about muslims coming across from Java destroying their economy like that.... twice. So before you start giving "geography lessons" to anyone... please check your facts.
And that's why they been lost over 2000 years until others did the job. Even the Holy Land they couldn't get alone but Britian had to. History proves what Jews are
The Russian position shows a fundamental schism between the US, Israel, Britain and the rest of the nations involved. The US/UK/Israel faction wish sanctions to bring about regime change and the rest of the nations only want behavior change. The danger is after all the huffing and puffing nothing happens.
Israel is not 'weak', but it consistently fails to 'win' in any real sense of the word anymore. Victory is overcoming an enemy, achieving mastery. When the problem was largely inept and poorly trained Arab armies Israel did very well. When the problem is skilled insurgents with a home field advantage Israel has not done so well. This is for several reasons. First there is no existential threat from Israel's current enemies. Second they are aware - as is the Israeli government - that Israel is unwilling to take the casualties necessary to crush them. Third, because the IDF so strong the government of Israel thinks only of using military force and doesn't think much at all. Is Israel 'weak'? It has overwhelming military power. The curious difference between when Israel won it's war and now when it loses them is that it NOW has overwhelming power but it has abandoned the use of intelligence, reason and guile. Israeli leaders used to have to use their brains instead of brawn.
Your basic premise that some how there is a vast Muslim conspiracy against the world is the real problem Yonatan. The 'Muslim world' is overwhelmingly disgusted with the terrorists as is the normal response of civilized people to terrorism. This round of terrorism was created by the USA and Saudi almost 30 years ago and has almost run it's course. When the US stops actively recruiting terrorist the problem will dwindle due to the simple fact that there is little real support for it. Israel will continue to have it's Arab terrorist problem, but that is a problem caused by local circumstances. If, as you seem to think, ALL Muslims are Jihadists the world WOULD have a problem. But that is not the case. Europe had a big leftist problem which self-extinguished as most terrorist problems do. India's BIG terrorist problem is Maoist not Muslim. In Israel's past it took ruthless actions by the British to save Irgun and Etzel from the opprobrium of Palestinian Jews.
"Mr. A sounds like Nassar before the 1967 War " Mark Klein No. Nassar had been fed persuasive disinformation by the Soviet Union which had convinced not only him, but Syria and Jordan that Israel was planning to attack as it had done in 1956. The information was totally fraudulent, but ironically became self-fulfilling when the Egyptian response led to an Israeli mobilization. The mobilization could not be sustained and ultimately Levi Eschkol opted for a preemptive attack. Neither Egypt or Israel WANTED a war in 1967. The war was such an astounding success BECAUSE Israel struck first. Which had not been Israel's intention when the Soviet Union sowed the seeds of fear in Egypt and Syria. One reason the first strike was so successful was that Egypt in fact had only limited and defensive enhancements of forces in the Sinai instead of the invasion force feared.
it's demographics. There's a difference.
much more than 1% of the continent from native americans.
the N.A.M (non-aligment movement) is grilling Yukiya Amano, the Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), wondering why he is using such fighting words on the iranian issue, citing that all matters have been dealt with and finished, and they are wondering why he is lying and i'll quote "In view of that, they called on Amano to explain as to why he resorted to using such wording against Iran when the non-diversion of declared nuclear material in the country is continuously verified by his agency". political pressure? sounds like it.
Actually it is Lebanon who has lost, now Hezboallah is more entrenched in Lebanon. Hezboallah may place themselves in strategic positions which means that the IDF will have to use substantially more force,destroying more in it's wake, collateral damage will be far increased incurring much loss of life on both sides. The price of such loss of lives will mean that this potential war will be hard to stop.
I said Israel didn't accomplish all its objectives, it did not loose. How many missiles have been fired at Israel since the war, have many raids has Hizbollah carried out, as a matter of fact Hizbollah is stoping other organizations from firing missiles or Katushas into Israel. Next, consider Hizbollah leadership from Nasrallah down, scared to show themselves in broad daylight. Israel overflyes Lebanon at will and Hizbollah is powerless. Consider also that Israel used its standing army during the war without calling up reserves. Also, there was no Israeli strategy ,it was a straight across border entrence. What would happen if Israel would have used naval landings and parachute drops behind Hizbollah lines. Hizbollah was lucky, sometimes I believe Israel wants Hizbollah there to keep Lebanese devided. However, in the next war there will be no hands barred by either side and that will be the end of Hizbollah, unfortunately Lebanon will suffer.
will they? won't they? it is all getting boring.we demand airstrikes and we want them NOW.there is nothing on the telly and the news is boring.come on PM Netanyau live up to your promise plzzzzzzzzzzz
Not since the end of WW11 has there been a war with a finality. All the wars since them have come to some sort of a mutually agreed end of hostilities. The same with the Israeli war with lebanon and with the Gaza war Cast Lead. Re Lebanon and Gaza. Both have rebuilt their armaments but both are reluctant to use them again....especially Lebanon through Hezbollah. Quiet on both fronts is as good as a win....for the time being.
There is a coming war in the region - it is better to fight it now without nukes than to wait for a nuclear arms race takes hold of region and the final liquidation of the semite tribes of the region begins, Jew and Arab - and Persian for that matter - in fact, Jew and Muslim, is a better illustration. Barbarism begins at home.
You are right on many fronts but come on - the last Lebanese war was not won - its main objectives of rooting out Hezboallah, weaking it, or making sure that it can no longer threaten Israel with missiles have failed - in fact, Israel is a lot worst off now than before the war - in terms of its strategic handling of the northern front.
The problem with your rather silly response is the UN and League of Nations the same world bodies that invented Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, India, Pakistan etc. both decided with world approval that Israel was to be reborn. Yet you only question one country right to exist. Why is that? Since nothing was stolen but purchased legally and founded under international law with world approval your vacant logic dictates looking in the mirror for the definition of the last word in your post.
Israel has had nukes for several years and although it's been in conflicts throughout that time it has not used these weapons. If Iran acquires nukes the chances Israel will be forced to use their nukes goes way up. Rather than being safer with nukes Iranians will increase their chance of being bombed.
Israel is right. Right to defend herself, right to respond to threats with resolution and utmost dedication to the preservation of it's territory, borders and people. I can understand the plight of Palestinians, but Israel is right, and I was wrong about Israel. Never, ever let anyone push you around. Not Iran, not Hamas, not Hezbollah, not Europe. Especially Europe, because it is a continent of hypocrites who will destroy the Jewish dream of Israel at the slightest hint of weakness. You have survived amongst extreme adversity for sixty years, and it is my hope you will live in a strong Israel for the next six millennia. I can only pray to G-d that my own people will be as smart as the Israelis, and my own country as strong, proud, and enduring as the State of Israel.
Oh Who is it that defends the house of jacob? Oh Who is it that disperses the seed and gathers the fruit. By Who's hand has the Lord made both man and woman in His own image? Yet He has also made the image of man by the hand of Moshe? Yet ye seek the image of man? Ye see a geometrical shape and thine heart flutters with glee yet ye have forgotten the first command.The Lord thy God that leadeth out of egypt and Jealous of thine images! In the time of bloodshed ye who has not hated the Lord shall be blessed for the Lord knows you have not hated His neighbor also. Ye who have given credit for His glorious work to a graven image and or a slide of hand. Put away thy ornaments that the Lord might know what to do with thee.
Israel does not even have a constitution, "since the Constituent Assembly and the first Knesset were unable to put a constitution together," reads a statement on the Israeli Parliament (Knesset)'s website. Furthermore, Israel does not have a bill of rights and has a history of legislating unequal civil rights, privileges and access to public funds. And its pursuit of a so-called "Jewish State" is an apparent discrimination against the non-Jewish.
Dang these comments are just as bad as the ones I find on presstv.ir My girl is Jewish but I can't stand how arrogant and distrustful Israel is. We're still paying the Native Americans for the land we stole, what about the land that was stolen for all of you in Israel? You need to stop the hate on the Muslim community, because they are like caged animals with their backs against the wall. We're the ones cornering them. The Jews were opressed for thousands of years, why pass it on?
you are 100% right. The illegitimate child is crying
That's about right. Really, the thing to do is to work out a relatively uniform, global consensus on what Israel should do, and then enforce it through embargo and sanctions. Otherwise, if Israel perceives some one enemy, she's likely to strike at it.
Nasser spole out of a pompous, overinflated ego and sense of superiority. Ahmadinijad speaks out of fear.
he is not President !
As far as Israel being weak militaraly, consider this. In the 1980s when Vanunu blew the whistle on Israel's nuclear program it was believed Israel had about 300 nuclear weapons in 20 years of development. Since then another 20 years passed, Israel wasn't sitting on its backside saying that's enough, I bet todate Israel has between 800 to 1000 nukes, making it a mini super power. On top of that Israel has one of the highest technologicaly developed military industries in the world, would you like to even guess at what type of military and electronic weapons Israel possesses.
Nassar thought he had Israel checkmated. Israel did do something really crazy to end up in just 6 days with the Golan Heights, the West Bank and the entire Sinai.
I don't know where the Iranians get this idea that Israel is weak. I have been studying Israeli military and political development since 1967, since indirectly I was involved in that war. Any military expert will tell you Israel didn't loose in Lebanon, it didn't achieve all its objectives but at the end Israel was controlling Lebanese territory.In Gaza, Israel stopped the daily barage of missiles, it was not in Israel's interest to totally defeat Hamas, as that would unite Gaza and the west bank. Remember, devide and rule.
Israel has many issues, Palestinian human rights is top of the list. However, Iran "building" the bomb is no solution. Muslims should condemn this action and say clearly that we condemn nuclear threats. We should never ever condone nuclear weapons. Israel has nuclear weapons because Israel is insecure. Us Muslims are not insecure and have no business building these heinous weapons.
Did you know that 70% of north america belongs to Canada and in 1812 the USA invaded Canada and tried to conquer part of that country to increase its share of north america. The US got beaten preatty bad by the Canadians and British troops who pushed them back into US territory and burned Washington DC. to the ground. Yes imagine that, your USA tried to conquer all of north america.
You're too much. That's the funniest thing I've EVER heard about Israel. Thanks for the laugh!
Iran may be putting its nuclear weapons into "quick launch" mode... If they do that, Israel will be safe. Unless the Iranians decide to shift some of their arsenal to LEBANON!!!!
Muslims make up 13.4% of the population of India. They make up 5-10% of the population of the Phillipines. (And they make up 22% of the population of Israel). None of these countries can be considered part of the Muslim World, thankfully. As for Bali, I admit my error; though this island has the largest Hindu population of any part of Indonesia.
Dumb argument. No sane person or entity denies the right of the jew State to exist. No sane person or entity denies that palestinians have a right to a fully sovereign State with East Jerusalem as its capital. To realize pre 1967 borders with adjustments to address legitimate jew State security concerns and the palestinians drop the ludicrous right of return demand. In such a scenario Hamas changes its tune or it will be gone. Iran has no casus belli, the arab States detest it, and it will butt out. Syria still has a rightful issue to be resolved but small potatoes in the big picture.
the illegal and immoral settlements. Who cares about the settlements when Israel is on the verge of being wiped out by Iran?
"wasnt kerry defeated as president ?" So what? Kerry is the chair of the foreign relations committee of the senate, just a minor role I suppose. Another enlightened post by Vhardman.
This is inevitable - most elites in the international community know this - just the people that are delusional - they may already have one or two.
Women's Rights=Who cares? Hanging Children from Cranes= So what? Holding Holocaust Cartooon Competions= And? Murdering the Opposition= They all deserved it Arming Proxy armies= Yeh but Israel has Nukes Denying the actuality of the Holocaust= Yeh but it didn't happen You'll know this from experience Loo. The Shit always falls down and the Iranian people might just find themselves in a War they never wanted, but hey you love the Repressive Regime.Stay with it. Salami, Salome
Iran can give away its nuclear weaps to ANYONE at ANYTIME AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA o wait, except they're 2000 tons each and best if exploded at high altitude (get the real facts!)
and we would go to war over anyone stealing as little as say 1%...got it now stupid?
Yonatan, India (Mumbai) has the second largest Muslim population in the world. Indonesia (Bali) has the third largest Muslim population. Muslims are the second largest religious group in the Phillipines, largely on Mindano.
Afghanistan Algeria Darfur Egypt Iraq Nigeria (50.5 % Muslims) Pakistan Somalia Yemen All are countries or regions in the Muslim World (Nigeria isn't officially a Muslim state, but 50.5 % of its population is Muslim.) All of these areas have been the scenes of Islam-inspired killings, bombings, insurgencies, civil wars and other violence UNCONNECTED WITH ISRAEL. (Egypt - Muslim violence against Coptic Christians; Iraq - Muslim violence against Assyrian Christians; also Shi'ite Muslim violence against Sunni Muslims and vice versa)
In the past, Israel did perform two bombing missions to attack foreign nuclear threats (perceived or not.) The two missiona are Iraq in 1984; and Syria in 2008. Neither worked very well. In 1984, the United Nations decided that Israelis owe both the government of Iraq restitution and the owner of the power plant france additional money. The President of iraq recently reminded Israeli's of their debt. Now in Syria, which is more controversal, a shell of a building or a warehouse or something was bombed by Israelis. Since the end products were never entered into the site, like enriched uranium (which would be geigher counter detechable.) what ever readings could be nothing but background or the source material could have trasnported to the site. A mission to Iran would have worse outcome than these two bombings.
and you been lost ever since but at least you aren't alone
Sure it is. Democracies do not have "Ministries of Religious Affairs". Democracies have Constitutions. I could go on but you get the drift. Not to worry though---help is on the way--It is called the BI NATIONAL STATE". Hee haw---end of Zionist regime.
Sure it is. Democracies do not have "Ministries of Religious Affairs". Democracies have Constitutions. I could go on but you get the drift. Not to worry though---help is on the way--It is called the BI NATIONAL STATE". Hee haw---end of Zionist regime.
As an American citizen, I am really tired of seeing my government jumping all over the world to do Israel's bidding. We have our own problems and we really don't have time for Israel's histrionics which require an endless amount of our time, attention and money. It's gone beyond all reason.
Afghanistan Algeria Darfur Egypt Iraq Nigeria Pakistan Somalia Yemen All are countries or regions in the Muslim World (Nigeria isn't officially a Muslim state, but 50.5 % of its population is Muslim.) All of these areas have been the scenes of Islam-inspired killings, bombings, insurgencies,civil wars and other violence UNCONNECTED WITH ISRAEL. (Egypt - Muslim violence against Coptic Christians; Iraq - Muslim violence against Assyrian Christians; also Shi'ite Muslim violence against Sunni Muslims and vice versa)
So Kerry is another on a long US list from the US telling Israel what they can and cannot do. It is the end of Netanyahu and his credibilty if he does not deal effectively with the Iran nuclear program having said time and again he will.Is Israel and independant state or not ?
As long as the Palestinian-Israeli issue is not solved, I believe Israel will not find lots to support it against any nuclear threat from Iran or others. Any nuclear threat against Israel is in fact a threat aginst the whole region. Imagine Iran threatens Israel, the whole Islamic People will clapp hands for it. So let's cut off the roots of violence and solve the main issue. I believe all extremists use Palestine as a hook to handle their violent actions on.
the baby is crying ,send the clowns.israel is paranoid,scared,lowselfesteem,and insecure,she has nuclear arsenal ,she is crying ,america send the clowns to calm her down.israel is above the international ,never respond to the security council and keep crying ,send the clowns and calm israel down.
Of the 192 member UN nations 57 are Muslim. Of all the land in the Middle East 99.5% is now Muslim controlled. That's right? One half of only 1% is to much! 1/2% is to much, for the Jewish people. 99.5% is NOT enough they want it all!
Are you talking about the UN run by 22 Muslim Countries taking up 99% of the Middle East condemning the other .9% tiny democratic Israel?
Nobody worries about Israel giving nukes to terrorist do they Lou? So your sarcasm is ill founded. Iran is and has been funding and supplying terrorism throughout the world for years. When Prescott lights up and glows for 1000 years we will see how sarcastic you are then, and it won't be Israel that lights your butt up it will be a terrorist who got it from Iran.
Bali Buenos Aires Ft. Hood London Madrid Mumbai New York The Phillipines Thailand None of these locations are in the Muslim World. All of these locations have been the scenes of Islam-inspired killings, bombings, Insurgencies and other violence. None of this hhad any connection with Israel, with the exception of Buenos Aires, where the Jewish Community Center was bombed by Hezbollah with Iranian aid, with many casualities (anti-"Zionism", of course)
Whoa Nellie, whoa. Are you saying that Iran is ignoring the Security Council? You mean,(sputter)like Israel? How utterly awful. Salaam/Shalom
..for the "weneverallowiranthebomb" fraction.