Rockets strike Afula, Jezreel Valley for first time; Hezbollah: We can hit anywhere

somthing i picked up on the radio from some halfbreed self hater: Jerimaih chapters 6,7,8. also something about "birthing a cub in the south that grows up to be come a loin, then going to the north and birthing another cub that grows up to become a loin. is there really anything to these prophecies and if not can any of the other be true??

I agree a two state solution does not work. Israel should make the country Israel-Palestine and get on with it. Israel has displaced probably more people in the last century then any other modern day country .If Israel wants to be a true free democratic country ,then it should not be only for the Jews! The country should give equal rights to Christians, Moslems and Jews .One person one vote .This segregation did not work for South Africa and will not work for the Jews of Israel either. When you take something that does not belong to you ,you will spend the rest of you life trying to keep it. This is exactly what has been and will continue in Israel and only through fair and proper settling the social issues will Israel live in peace .Just like what Germany has done by compensating the Jews and Israeli for over 40 years for what it did to the Jews during world war two . Israel needs to make the Palestine’s whole and the Lebanese civilians too. Israel has destroyed civilian assets ,from bombing Olive trees ,buildings, bridges ,cars ,trucks ,ambulance ,factors ,water towers ,electrical plants, Grain silos ,ports ,airports ,and most of all the damage to the civilian population even though they cannot be replaced ,the families need to be compensated .Israeli’s complain about Katyusha that damage and kill if hit directly ,we Lebanese complain about F-16 that destroy and level a whole villages not just damage a building ! We also are tiered of being woken up even when Israel is not dropping bombs by the Israeli American made and funded F-16’s sonic booming use at 3:30 A.M. in the morning ! Look every one that is not manufacturing weapons wants It peace ! The difference is it must be Fair . There should be no different in what is fair for a Jew,Moslem,Christian. Only racist take the positions that have been and are being taken by Israel! I believe there should be no hard borders ,people should be free to travel. My dog has more freedom then you as a Israel and I as a Lebanese! My dog only needs a medical form to travel and he can enter and leave as he likes ,he can even run over the hill and by bas all the restrictions .You and I are restricted by our passports or governments .

To all the european nations, especially france you are cowards.. Step up russia, if you want to be a world leader act like one!

muslims killing muslims, muslims killing jews, and jews killing muslims.. HA HA HA HA HA, long live the Christians!!!!!!!!!

would it not be a good time to send some nice American made missiles to Isreal with instructions and a map of some key Iranian nuclear facilities highlighted. I figure that if it works for iran it should work for the US

Israel's rockets have no intention to just kill civilians. Israel wants to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible. It is Hezbollah that as a smart ass uses its own people for human shields to hide in urban areas.

Good to see you here. Take care! Groetjes, Tulp

I pray that time is right to make peace between Lebanon & Israel, both people deserve to live in peace, may God give the wisdom to the leaders of the worldto grab this historical opportunity and help both parties to sit down and sign a peace treaty. Nothing is worth this suffering except a positive result from this war. Love on Earth

Israel must not back down and Israel must make a quick work of this matter... Hezbollah must be stopped and I want to thank Israel for doing the dirty work for us in the USA - my family loves you Israel and we are praying for you! Do waver like the USA does.

Nasrallah urged Arabs and Muslims worldwide to support his guerrillas, saying his group was fighting Israel on behalf of them. Do the arab and muslims of the world really support this man. Especially the people of Lebanon they have to realize that the only way Israel will stop is if nasaralah is stopped. Did they not like the situation and the direction which their country was going up unitll a week ago. The people of Lebanon surely have to realize that there better off without nasrallah and his guerillas. Lebanon was finally once again becomming an economically stable country that people came to see until this group of radicalls decided I guess that the country was growing to well, and they would rather go back to war torn and impoverished how can they ever respect a man which brings this apon them. We have to ask ourselves if the people of Lebanon will stand up for themselves or instead follow some supposed holy leader who would and will see Lebanon pounded into the earth.

There can never be peace with Islamic fundamentalists...if they are not wiped today, they will raise their hood like a wounded serpant someday again. This is the only chance Israel has to wipe their lot, even if it means a full-fledged war.

The problem with Israel at the moment is that it sees all the nations around it as of the same mind and type. It is unable to draw distinctions among the Arab people, (which there are plenty of) It is killing civilinas without discrimination, and consistently loosing the moral high ground. We should have taken the opportunity afforded by the Arab summit in Beirut in 2003. Israel MUST MAKE PEACE. One day it may not have the opportunity to draw fair lines for itself.

Do the math for a second. 650,000 Arabs from little villages (NOT CITIES) fled from Israel while the Arab armies were attacking 58 years ago. There are now 5.4 MILLION Jews living in Israel. The vast majority of these Jewish citizens are living in buildings built by Israel. HALF of the Jews who live in Israel today were born there. The whole "Pal KEY" thing is a PR gimmick. There are a small number of quaint Arab homes left in Israel, but they are stastistically insignificant. Most Israeli Jews live in homes they OWN that Israel built (and they do have titles to their properties and bank records showing that they paid for their homes.) What happened 58 years ago is over. The Pals need to find new lives rather than subjecting generation after generation of their families to unnecessary misery.

Irgun and Lehi massacred scores of inhabitants of the village of Deir Yassin near Jerusalem on 9 April. Word of the massacre spread terror among Palestinians and hundreds of thousands fled to Lebanon, Egypt and the area now known as the West Bank. (BBC)

It is high time Mossad show its real intelligence and wipe off these fundamentalist forces from the face of earth. Go Israel! America supports you fully!

Sorry for not reading everything first... a friend just told me the IDF found out that the enemy has some Iranian-made chemical weapons. True?

WOW, and I thought Arabs were brain washed!! Robert, you really claim that ?Israel was given to the Jews by Abraham, on behalf of God?!!! Do you have a copy of the deed of title? a notarised one preferably, because those Palestinians that you claim are "occupying" the land of Israel have been occupying it for hundreds and hundreds of years. They, on the contrary have not only deeds of titles for the land you're talking about, but also keys to their homes!!! My God Robert, people are dying on both sides. It?s about time we think of now, right now and the future. That is only we plan to live on this earth as human

I hear people from arab countries constantly state-ing that islam does not mean conected to or related to terrorisim or terorists but it will always be this way until the muslims themselves deal with these terrorists and gorrilazs such as Hezobollah that thrive within their religion. Israel although a little over anxious is on the right track by trying to force lebanon to deal with this terrorist organization and maybe if the lebanese government is willing to take the first step help will soon be on its way. Until the people of islam stop harbouring and protecting terrorists there relgion will always be used in the same context. Lets not forget it was the un-controlled gorillaz of lebanon who first attacked israel not israel which first attacked the lebanese.

It really just all boils down to how you define a world war. There has been a long-held assumption that WW3 will be nuclear. Remember Einstein's famous quote? "I don't know what World War 3 will be fought with, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones." WW3 has become a thing of absolute mythos. In the public mind it's inextricably linked with Armageddon, Mad Max, the Apocalypse, et cetera. Therefore most people will have a lot of trouble accepting that we're actually involved in a world war, unless they see mushroom clouds on the horizon. The reality is that we're already involved in a world war of sorts. England's subway was bombed. Paris burned. New York City lost 3,000 people and two famous landmarks. The Pentagon itself was bombed. The U.S.S. Cole was bombed. India was bombed. Madrid was bombed. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Meanwhile, all of the coalition forces from a broad range of nations, have been involved in a war. Yet few people view it as a world war, because it's nations versus terrorists, rather than nations versus nations. I guarentee you that if the governments of Syria, Iran, Yemen, Iraq, North Korea, etc. had sent their militaries to bomb the forementioned targets, there would be no debate as to whether we are involved in a world war. Yet because our enemies hide behind their religion and receive their support from these governments by surreptitious means, most people do not recognize the magnitiude of what we're up against. That's why this current war has the potential to be much different from what we've previously seen. It has the potential to finally "out" our enemies by exposing these terror-sponsoring governments for what they are. Once these nations devote the full strength of their militaries to the war (as opposed to the under-the-table financing and logistical assistance which they've been offering) then World War Three will have clearly begun.

israel is justifiably defending it's nation. after all the suicide bombers that we have suffered from, this was long overdue. and israel will suceed. it's about time that the terror group gets what it deserves. we're not suckers. they are the ones responsible for killing innocent people because they caused all of this situation. ISRAEL WILL SUCEED

The fact is that the Hezballah don't report the killing of their men. They talk about the deaths of civilians but we have no way of knowing whether they just ignore their own agents' deaths or include them in the general toll. Israel on the other hand publicly mourns the death of each soldier.

Jane, I don't think an apology is necessary. You have a right to an opinion just as much as anyone else here. If your opinion is that people be factually informed before they shoot there mouth off, then so be it.

Israel has every right to defend itself against terrorism. Hezbollah knew exactly what it was provoking by attacking the state of Israel. This attack, and the kidnapping of two Israeli Soldiers shows very clearly, that a large number of Arabs does not seem to want peace. Hezbollah builds its camps in the middle of civilan areas, and is therefor responsible for the deaths of civilians. ISrael has taken harsh measures, but what other choice did it have?

Nasrullah is actually usually very reliable, delivering on his promises. What was heartening about his broadcast yesterday was that he has begun to lie to bolster himself. He claimed that he attacks military targets only. This is untrue. Except for the naval vessel sunk by a drone every other hit has been on a civilian target.

Hezbollah said he would not hit Haifa until Israel hit Beirut, and he would not hit civilian until Israel do. We disagree; Hezbollah should learn the lesson from Israel and should not feel it hard to learn it from Israel. Hezbollah should Hit PRIOR TO, and should hit twice. Restrain, is the bad option he could afford.

for the sake of your childern and for the future generation, please please start talking and stop this madness both side. At the end of the day you both are cousion.

Giorgio, if the HZB did not capture IDF soldiers and start sending rockets, do you think the IDF would have moved? NO. The IDF's goal, in history and now, has never been to hit civilians. Why do you think they informed the Lebanese to leave their houses? They knew they were going to strike and did not want civilians to get hit.

THE GAZA MISTAKE:"withdrawal" which was illegal since of course jews owned homes there. Sounds like : withdrawal of arabs from London was illegal since they still legally own in London X1000 homes than what Israeli illegally owned in Gaza.

To all the Israeli people, please help us by getting your government to stop the agression. We want to live in peace side by side. Let us take care of Hizballa but for the sake of God don't destroy what we built in many years

War is a war! the Hezbollah started it by kidapping and killing, so please , when you are in a war you should know that civilian suffer too!!!!!! There are ways to stop them, and the Israelis have to do it and by destroying bridges for example the Hezbollah won't get more supply of Missles. They do't want peace, they want to stregthen their position and kill the Israelis.

Hassan Nasrallah is a marked man, and so are is allies. But if we do not destroy them, they will destroy us. Now is the time to hit Iran's nuclear capabity before they hit us. If Iran's nuclear plants are obliterated, then the world will be free from having to negotiate with the likes of them.

It's your whole mentality.Israel has been in war with all the neigbouring Arab countries simultaneously several times and it won. Even in the Yom Kippur war (by the way,what would you say if Israel attacks an Arab country during the Ramadan?),the outcome was succcessful for the Israelis. Finally one more word:you probably blame Israel for wanting to eliminate Palestine -which means you consider eliminating Palestine is a crime- yet your whole text clearly indicates that you would be happy if Israel (and maybe the whole Jewry of the world) could be eliminated from Earth.Wouldn't this be a crime,then?

Please, you should know who started the aggressions. It was the pals and hizbollah.

The time has come to kill all the Hooded Arab Terrorists who use martyrdom and civilian murder as a method to achieve military goals. It is time to purge and cleanse all the muslin clergy that teach jihad as a means to a religious end. True Muslims must rise up and slay the forces that are destroying their people and religion.

I hope your family in Afula is well. I am praying.

I thought Israel was a military super power of some sort. Israel sells advanced weapons systems to major countries. Israel's commando group Mossad is famous the world over. Then, what is this 'Exchange' of rockets with Hezbollah and so on ? Couldn't Israel get it over with in a day or two if it chooses ? Trying to avoid the civilian casualties perhaps ?

Before i read the rules, I posted something that, looking back, is certainly a personal attack on one of the previous posters. I apologize, and withdraw my comment.

Tiziano, you certainly are chock-full of opinions, but your supply of factual information is woefully inadequate. I suggest you do some serious study of the history of the region, both in the recent past and throughout the course of the last century. Without an informed opinion, your post sounds dangerously anti-Semitic. Perhaps that is what you intend. If so, I am under the impression you have successfully communicated your intention.

It is high time the IDF is authorized use of tactical nuclear weapons and turns southern Lebanon into glass. This will send a message to the supreme Ayatolahs. Gog versus Magog. The time to hesitate is through.

Why do you deserve dignity? All your community seems to be able to do is terrorize, bomb, torture, destroy the lives of your own people, and the lives of everyone else. When you progress beyond your blood lust, stop your duplicity (look it up), and start contributing to society, rather than destroying everything around you, then maybe you will begin to gain some measure of respect. Until such time, you cannot expect to have dignity nor do you deserve it.

This coming week should be very eventful. Israel has spent the past few days shaping the battlefield in Southern Lebanon, so we can expect a powerful invasion force to smash into Lebanon early in the week, overrunning Hezbollah positions towards Beirut and in the Bekaa Valley. The USA will stand by Israel with close intelligence support and make good logistical shortfalls. Once Hezbollah weapons caches, logistical resources and facilities are destroyed, the IDF can invite the Lebanese Army in to occupy the former Hezbollah strongholds and go home, a job well done. Meanwhile Hezbollah will be kidnapping Western hostages, as they did in the 1980s, and Iran will activate its global Hezbollah terror network. Expect atrocities globally because this is the world's battle, not just Israel's.

Ron - I think it's a great idea to release the prisoners into Lebanon. Why continue with the cost of housing them. They can join forces with Hizbollah and then become legitimate targets.

This is an ISRAELI site. WHY, oh WHY, should we discuss: "... what does a Palestinian victory mean? (i.e. does Palestinian victory equal Israel defeat?) and with meaning of palestinian victory defined, what is the best way for Palestinians to achieve victory and what are their chances (if any) of actually winning?" Let's leave these details to the ones that know best how to answer these questions: The IDF! It is apparent that it is YOU who is the "wise guy"!

You forgot one more group: 4. Condenscending, patronizing know it alls. who think like you. People no matter how little they read are entitled to their opinions without being told whether they can express them. I get irritated with some of the views which appall me but I would not infer that I am more astute, intelligent or entitled than anyone else here. Just to comment, what bits would anyone pick except for what they agree with--do you think someone, under this emotional climate, is going to what take the other side as if they are in a college debate?

Much as I detest the destruction of human life, and I am saddened more than I can say by the deaths of Israeli civilians, I realize this is all the result of Israeli aggression and arrogance, and that for every Israeli victim there are more than a hundred Palestinian and Lebanese victims, all equally innocent. Israel is so full of its own power that it has become blind to its evil. Unless Israel ceases its murderous campaign against anybody who isn't Jewish, Israel will never have peace, and will be reviled by people all over the world. I worry about my wonderful Israeli Jewish friends, even though they have told me they welcome the attacks on Israel. These are the Jews who give us the only hope for Israel's future. Shame on Israel.

There would be a nuclear war today. you guys should give it a thought.

This struggle will last decades but the descendants of everyone who felt displaced since 1948 will 'win' and set all the terms to those who may still be identified as Israelis, even though they lose every 'battle', like now. All that is needed is for 'Palestinians' to maintain their cause and identity which the 'Israeli state' certainly does all it can to help. It seems 'Israelis' have lived in a youthful political culture since 1948 and have never fully realized the initiative always lies with their side because more $. It is a complete pretence in Israeli society that aggressiveness is necessary to protect 'Israel' from 'those sort of people', or that they will ever part from their ancestral places. Israel's strategy should be to create classes of Palestinian-Israelis. Non-communication helps each 'enemy' maintain his identity when part-assimilation is ultimately needed to provide reasonable terms. 'Israel' has had $$$ provided by the US - what a waste of $$$

Now using a nuke in Leb, and Syria, and Iran wopuld really clean things up.

Jews always try to do the right thing, and are always told to use restraint. Time to stop doing the right thing and being politically correct. Put Hamas and Hizballah away for good.

Arab leaders were NOT eager to help the Jews during WWII. On the contrary, they urged the British to RESTRICT Jewish immigration. Read 'Exodus' by Leon Uris. Indirectly, the antisemitic Arab refusal cost the lives of thousands upon thousands of European Jews. In a recent poll, the majority of Arab Israeli residents expressed their satisfaction with the Jewish State. They would NOT want to live under Arab 'Palestinian' rule. In fact, many of them actively help DEFEND Israel against 'Palestinian' terror. By the sword, of course.

Well, the arab junk around the world is finally about to get wiped out. You see, the world wont stand forever waiting for these direct ape descendants to bomb their cities, ala Madrid. Everyone sees the muslim world as an undeveloped burden of the world - its time we shake out of it. Israel, atleast, does something to develop humanity. If you arab masses reading this haven’t noticed, the entire middle eastern area is lacking 2000 years behind the current technological development of the Israelis. This is when it gets interesting You believe that the world will tolerate guerilla armies? Well, just to make you feel safer, we will invade Syria and Iran. This is while the US shifts bombs around Turkish airbase - your arab personal favorite, the B52 bombers. Its time undeveloped monkeys start paying for plaguing this earth.

This is not an Israeli war against the Lebanese people. This is a war against terrorism in the form of Hezbollah. It is also Israel doing Lebanon's own job for them, in bringing about compliance with the UN resolution calling for the disarming of militants in southern Lebanon like Hezbollah.

For sure. IF Israel wins this war, it is most certainly the last they will win.

whatever hezbollah is doing for now has been planned for months. it would have shelled haifa regardless of israeli response. its attacks are well organized and cannot be just a quickly organized response. An attack like that cannot be mobilized within one day. The problem is that israel fell into the trap that hezbollah set to them and responded immediately as opposed to waiting to respond.

when people wish death on other people the other peole must destroy that person it is the same thing with the arabs they want the jews to die therfore the jews must destroy them before they destroy the jews the arabs never wanted peace with the jews they only say that to look innocent but they arent they are thirsty for jewish blood i pray every day that israel will destroy these people GOD BLESS ISRAEL

All this talk about Hisbollah rockets falling on Israel. Israel has been firing its share of rockets too, killing scores of civilians. America figures into it all of this killing quite prominently too. To quote Robert Fisk in a recent article: "Since almost all the missiles used to kill the civilians of Lebanon over the past four days were made in Seattle, Duluth and Miami in the United States, their use already suggests to millions of Lebanese that America is behind the bombardment of their country."

"IDF fears Hezbollah will fire rockets at Tel Aviv." - Haaretz Golly. Who, besides me, would have thunk it? I am not a clairvoyant folks. I just pay attention. We are back to an essential question. We, and the leadership of Hizbollah, have seen Olmert in action. A third rate reporter in charge of a nation,. He can't tell the difference between strategy and spin; Reality and fantasy. He made an idiotic mistake in Gaza and has repeated it against a far more dangerous foe in the north. So far there is not the slightest evidence that Hizbollah has been badly hurt. There is plenty of evidence that the campaign of infrastructure destruction - collective punishment - of the Lebanese people, has failed to do anything except make Israel look incredibly evil. "Failure will be repeated until it succeeds." - The Olmert Doctrine How long can Israel keep failing because it's leader is an incompetent? How long should it? I hope not much longer.

Dominique, I pray that you will be re-united safely with your family. I will never be able to be re-united with my brother. A Hamas policeman murder bomber killed my brother, Chezi Goldberg z"l on a bus in Jerusalem in January 2004.

i am so happy that israel attacked lebanon they had it coming now the arabs will know that if your harboring terrorists you will get hurt i wish death to every hezbollah member and every terrorist organization member GOD BLESS THE LAND OF ISRAEL

Please don't send your tulips, wrapped in DU-drained arms, with an El-Al aircraft. It might crash in the Bijlmer.

Telling palestinians to go back to there countries! Go back where???? Your statement only applies to jews, who did come from somewhere & can go back where they came from. Ask dead & injured israelis wether they like this latest adventure. Arabs are only getting stronger with bigger weapons. As an Historian, I am afraid your attitude is telling me that 20 years from now, I'll be still reading about on-going fighting possibly lot for innocents dying on both sides for a unjust cause.

It would be nice to believe that a Palestinian victory meant a peaceful two-state solution, but I have been reading these posts on and off for a week now haven't read any Palestinian posts asking for that. There seems to be an overwhelming desire to destroy Israel instead. After the Gaza pull-out, when there was a chance to found a nation, the response was to elect Hamas whose goal is to remove all Jews from Israel and set of an Islamic state. Where are the Palenstinian peaceniks? I would like to hear their point of view.

Isreal is the chosen nation and has been for thousands of years. Since God told Abraham that he would bless him with numbers more than the stars. Isreal will win this war, they will keep their land and God will bless them. If you bless Israel you too will be blessed, if you curse Israel you too will be cursed. The Islamic people have been cursed from the beginning and they will continue to be cursed till Armageddon.

GO ISRAEL GO Defend Yourselves go show those arabs who is boss forever israel

Hamas and Hezbollah don't care about people in gaza or lebanon, but they do care about samir kuntar and barghouti. They do care about the terrorists that are locked up. That's the card to use instead of destroying Lebanon.

Hizbollah recognizes Israel's existance and to be peaceful with it hizbollah wants 3 things. A Israel stop disrespecting Lebanon's air space, B stop occupation, C plz return more than 400 arab and Lebanese prisoners.

"Of course Israeli opinions are not being depicted in Arab media but does that mean we should follow the same practice? I think not". Worng !! be fair. Israelis talk on the arab channel Al -Jazeera all the time...

Rubbish. The majority of individuals killed by firearms is done by criminals. You stand a greater chance of being maimed or killed by a drunk driver than being shot. You want to save lives, send drunk drivers to prison for life and make you roads safe. The founders of America understood the right to keep and bear arms and put it in the Bill of Rights to allow the citizens of America to have arms to defended themselves aganist their own governmnet if needed and aganist invasion of their country if needed. You have the right not to own a firearm, but you do not have the right to try to prevent me from owning or using firearms.

You have just managed to kill 7 Canadians ( collateral damage of course). One can just wonder who's the bigger terrorist here.

the only real response that will quell the violance for the next 100 years is a limited nuclear response against Iran. Iran is Hezbollah; that's why the black soldiers cover their faces so that they are not recognized. This limited nuclear response will take out about 20 million Iranians, quell the Arab world and force the new world government in establishing Israel's security as the sole nuclear power in the middle east. This must be done with complete approval of the UN and before Israel losses its International recognition as a nation due to Iran/Saudi oil power over North American economy.

The time has come to kill all the Hooded Arab Terrorists who use martyrdom and civilian murder as a method to achieve military goals. It is time to purge and cleanse all the muslin clergy that teach jihad as a means to a religious end. True Muslims must rise up and slay the forces that are destroying their people and religion.

You're an absolute fool if you think that Israel wants your country destroyed. Rebuild it to your heart's content. Just stop letting terrorists use your territory to attack Israel.

A look at some of Hezbollah's missiles: _ Fajr-5: the biggest, with a range of 45 miles and a 440-pound payload. _ Fajr-3: range of 22 miles and a 200-pound payload. _ Katyushas: range of 12 miles, and the most numerous missile in the Hezbollah arsenal _ about 10,000. Numbers: _ Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah has repeatedly said his group has more than 12,000 rockets. _ Israel's head of military intelligence, Brig. Gen. Yuval Halmish, says Hezbollah has placed at least 10,000 rockets in southern Lebanon. __________________________________________ In my opinion, the present military action between Israel & Hezbollah is only going to get worse and perhaps drag the enitre Middle East, if not the world into the conflict.

learn from king david your nation prospered under his rule other nationalities were allowed but not there strange religions g-d hated them he knew it and kept it out nothing could stand against israel in those days g-ds mighty right hand was with you and your whole nation kept his law. what has happened these days just mention something like this and it seems more hated than peoples views on there love and support for war and haaretz wont post it, im all for israel but how will we have peace doing it mans way and not by even trying g-ds way

We are sorry for the pain the human cruelty imposed on you. We are sorry for the blood you shed for the weakness of our governors. You do not deserve to die and for that we cannot but cry. Your names will be remembered and your souls never forgotten. Were you a Sarah or a Mohammed, we shall weep you equally as your lives were equally important. Peace to all of us... (end)

That's enough! We're tired of your flying gadgets, we're tired of your stupid politics and beliefs! We have grown-ups with a 12-year-old-child's slang fighting their own war by sending other people's children to die!!! That's enough! I want Sarah as much as Mohammed to live the life they are meant to have! Shed your tears people, shed your tears to this human cruelty instead of encouraging this party or that to keep fighting! Let's mourn these innocent people who are dying by hundreds but are not seen because of our media! Whichever God you worship, no religion tells you to kill and to those who do not concur go read the books! My sympathy to all the victims and I urge every single one of you who still has some compassion to read these lines in the name of all the victims who died asking "Why?!":

...and then clear out the Hezbullah terrorists, and supporters, and provide a haven for the return of the Lebanese christian diaspora which were chased out by the muslims. The Lebanese withdrawal has proven to be a failure and a buffer zone must be created permanently.

Yes indeed! And please forgive us the couple of nutheads around here that talk otherwise. Shalom... eventually

Hizbollah does believe in Israel's existance how ever it wants three things. 1-Israel should respect Lebanon air space(isrl dont), 2-Israel should return hundreds of Arab and Lebanese prisoners,3-Israel should stop killing of palestinians. you cant compare hizbollah to Egypt and Jordan because since long in History Egypt and Jordan are known to be cowards and Arabia too. in 1991 Syria sent tanks to deffend Arabia from Saddam cause Arabia suidy was scared! any way I hope I answered your question and I also believe in Israel's existance and I believe that we all need peace.

Israel uses paid informants sometimes. I don't know if that's was this was. A mistake or what? I see a couple of differences between the USA handling of the Iraq war and this current conflict. The USA had FOX TV embedded with Army units. The other thing which the USA still do, for example, is after they take out a house or building, they immediately send in an intelligence unit to sift. I don't know if the Israelis have that ability; to put people on the scene that quickly. Anyway, until they do, I expect that everyone they kill will be called a civilian by their enemy until they modify their tactics. P.S. I hope they don't have that much lack of control that they begin firing on everyone. Because if God forbid, they hit a Fox News anchor, that will be about the end of the show! Hey Peretz! When do we get to see you on Fox? Are you that shy? Just curious! Selah!

The sad irony here is how many fellow Arab citizens Hizbolla has killed indirectly by attacking Israel. The Lebanese people are suffering for not taking action against Hizbolla.

Welcome to the Middle East.The first thing that you must recognize that the Arab world is composed of clans (not even tribes) with a final allegiance to the sheik and the Religious stream (Shiite, Sunni, Allawite)These disparate clans are in a constant state of feud. This is all over the ME and not just Israel. This impacts on Israel as all streams of Islam want to dominate the world (this is not a mantra)and the Me being the cradle of Islam they want to eliminate Israel as the only non Muslim country. If you look back at the civil war in Lebanon that is what the cause was: The Christian half of Lebanon( Now you do not have that as a large segment of Lebanese Christians Left) Israel has no where to go so it must stand and fight. You must remember that this is not about a piece of land, poverty, A Balestinian state, occupation, mistreatment or anything of that sort. IT is about Israel in the MIDDLE EAST. One of a series.

Yusof, you are evidently under the spell of your extremist brothers ,believing all the lies that they put in your tiny brain.Haven't you observe all the wars that your leaders or your muslim brothers have been into? It all ends up your cohorts being the losers.Just look at recent wars,in afghanistan,your talibans were all over the tv's proclaiming they are winning and will fight to death.See what happened? they ran away..in iraq,the famous comic guy proclaiming that they are holding the march of americans..see what happened? The americans are right behind him. The lesson is don't start a war.In the end you will lose anyway..Learn to live with others. Your race is not persecuted as your leaders inculcate in your tiny brain..See you are left to live and practice your religion even in the middle of all other faith as long as you let others to do the same..You better start changing you attitude and stop being warlike..You always lose in the end..look at your history and wars.

sorry if it bothers you that Israel is defending herself from the sources of evil.

"Windmill", you are not speaking on behalf of the Netherlandic people. Nobody asked you to do so. And if you want so support Israel, please go to Israel, volunteer for the IDF or IAF, but not before giving up your Netherlandic citizenship, and please don't ever come back to the Netherlands. We don't need people like you. I am very sorry that we still have such people like "Windmill" in the Netherlands and other European countries who still support Israeli violence against innocent Palestinian and Lebanese civilians. They certainly do not represent public opinion in our countries. I think most of those Europeans who support Israel on this talkback, are not real Europeans. They are rather "chosen ones" who happen to hold a passport of a European country, but that does not make them European.

RE:I support Israel, ..... Oh ! Come on !!! You must be kidding.

Hizbollah has been increasing the range they are firing to as a response to Israel's broadening the range of civilian targets engaged in Lebanon. I expect both sides to continue to escalate, Israel in frustration because the campaign is failing; Hizbollah because in frustration Israel expands the target list. Don't use all caps. It makes your posts unreadable.

If you read the history of arab people, you would realize that arabs never given up their lands as easy as you think even after three hundred years. The fault of the jewish people that they chose Palestine instead of Uganda as their promised land. The only solution for the jewish people to have peace is to go back to Europe and to where they came from and leave the arabs in peace. As I can see the new Salaheddin is coming soon.

Every single lebanese I know here in So Cal, as well as the comments I read from those living in Paris say the same thing: They ask Israel to rid them of Nasrallah and his terrorist group. It is true that we in the west have let Lebanon down. We should have sent our troops to remove Hizbullah from the south and help the lebanese army reassert its authority, as asked by the UN and the international treaties. It is true though, that the lebanese government must ask for it first. Funny (very sad actually) how Chirac, self proclaimed friend of lebanon, is more aligned with Hizbullah and its syrian and iranian masters than with the real friends of France in Lebanon.

"I only hope that the Patriot Missiles they have is the latest being number3 and not the 2! Even then they are not all that accurate as it happened in the Gulf Wars" - Truth 2 The Patriot PAC 2 was barely capable of intercepting a SCUD warhead. The Patriot PAC 1s that we supplied Israel were incapable of destroying the warhead. It would detonate beside the SCUD, giving a tank kill, pretty pictures of flaming wreckage followed by the big bang as the warhead went off.

Syria as since 73 bulit a defensiv army,to counter Israels dependens on blitz war.Israel cant handle a lasting regional war. Hezbollah may bee acting as Syrias makers of an israeli attack. Read sevral years ago of an Iran-Syria-Hezbollah-PA(PLO then,now Hamas) of draging the Israel army in large parts out of Israel by making missel strikes from, and choas inn, the PA-teritory and by missel strikes from Hezbollah inn Lebanon. When this target by Hez and Ham is acomplishd the nations strikes. What if this plan is bigger, including Egypt, Jordan,and so on, and have a target of draging Israel inn to a third front,Syria(Iran). All this to make Israel weak before a major offensiv strik from Egypt,Jordan,Saudi Arabia etc is true. Then Israel may have a serious problem,witch the may not live to solve. Sorry my bad english at the moment.

you write "israel has no right to renter Gaza" ? Apparently the hamas does have the right to enter Israel and kidnap soldiers ? On what account please. Negotiations ? what negotiations ? the hezbollah kidnapped three israeli soldiers alive and the "peaceful negotiations" brought them dead - killed by the hezbollah (+ one israeli alive) against 430 arabs in israeli jail.

Returning back to Poland and Russia might not be such a bad idea about now.

Please realize, that what Israel is doing now is what the UN and Labanese government SHOULD have done years ago. And even thought such change is expansive in human life toll, it's absolutely mendatory for the peace in the region, How do people fail to see this? When Israel pulled out of southern Lebanon, there was a UN agreement in place. These agreements are worthless if they are not enforced. Israel is currently doing just that - enforcing the agreement!

Actually, Egypt had the sense to make peace with Israel. So did Jordan. If there wasn't a smoldering undercurrent in Palestine that feels Israel has no right to exist, Israel would live in peace with the Palestinians as well. As for the nut-cases that are Hizbollah, they are Shia extremists waging a proxy war for Iran because the Iranian people would never support their leaders attacking the US or Israel. They know it would spell ruin for Iran.

Howdy Mark; In addition, there are hundreds of deaths caused each year in the States by "hunting accidents" and supposedly "unloaded guns". Jesus! I had a belly-full of firearms in Vietnam many moons ago, but there are plenty of people who haven't gotten the message.

Why don't you keep killing, the innocent, the world is watching, the evil empire of Isreal is starting to show, who's next, doesn't matter, isreals support for the so called war against terroist, is self inflicted, its david against goliath, wow, and u want to take on more countries, keep it up, keep it up, your guys are pathetic.

In response to number 10, who ever you are , i wish that one day you understand the destruction death and pain this situation creat, and hope for better days to come...

This all started after the gaza "withdrawal" which was illegal since of course jews owned homes there. i read all the newspapers before the withdrawl. they all said the same thing "now israel has no buffer zone" all the newspapers and everyone of course was right. then of course after the withdrawal, 800 rockets stream into israel from gaza which were flooded with jordanian refugees (palestinians). then to add insult to injury they kidnap a soldier, israel retaliates and now their fellow thugs hezbollah join the rocket attacks. maybe the israeli government will finally learn that when you give land away to enemies and murderers it always leads to disaster & tragedy.

Dear people of Israel, You have every right to defend yourselves against people that have an evil mindset of bloodshed and terrorisme. We, the Dutch people, will send you tulips instead of missiles and smiles instead of cries. Israel is our friend and you have our moral support. God bless you all in these troubling times. Windmill

Before any kidnapping took place in Gaza and Lebaonon, a kidnapping took place in Gaza for two Palestiniians, one doctor and one more person, THey were kidnapped for speaking against Israel. Nothing was done to free them WHY? Because they want to dominate every arab on this planet....they are the one to blame....how about the ministers of the Hamas..they kidnapped too...people of Israel.... thats you government....they asked fot it...who is next Iran and Syria....Jordan, Egypt...think about it. THe Arabs are defending their dignity

KIDNAPPED SOLDIERS RONNIE. IT NOW GOES FURTHER THAN THAT AS YOU CAN SEE WITH EACH PASSING DAY. IT IS HIZBULLAH AND THE ATTACKS EVERYDAY ON OUR TOWNS AND CITIES.PUTTING THE POPULATION IN HARMS WAY. THE END IS SURELY COMING FOR AN ALL OUT WAR WITH NOT ONLY LEBANON--THE POODLE OF SYRIA AND THE IRANIAN CHIMP WHO IS ADDING FUEL TO THE FIRE WITH THEIR SOLDIERS STATIONED THERE WITH AMUNITIONS TO FURTHER THE CONFLICT. I MUST AWAY,IT HAS BEEN A VERY WORRYING DAY.NOW AFFULLA IS IN THEIR SIGHTS AND MY SON AND HIS FAMILY LIVE IN KARKUR AND ARE VERY NEAR THERE.OF COURSE WORRY ABOUT THE WHOLE COUNTRY AND THE REST OF OUR PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING THROUGH PSYCHOLOGICAL TRAUMA AS WELL. DAMN THOSE BASTARDS,I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL,AND THE SOONER THE BETTER FOR ISRAEL AND THE WESTERN WORLD.

It strikes me that all of the "wise guys" posting here are full of advice for Israel (attack, retreat, stand still, etc) or express praise or condemnation of Israel, but the palestinians receive very little practical advice for achieving victory. Likewise, everyone seems to have a clear idea of what Israel victory means (i.e. survival) and what Israel defeat means. But the real question is, what does a Palestinian victory mean? (i.e. does Palestinian victory equal Israel defeat?) and with meaning of palestinian victory defined, what is the best way for Palestinians to achieve victory and what are their chances (if any) of actually winning? Frankly, I cannot really conceive of any meaningful concept of Palestinin victory that has more than a one in a thousand chance of succeeding, but what do I know? Do the current Hamas and Hezbollah tactics make Palestinian victory more likely, and if not, what should THEY (not Israel,EU,or USA) do to increase chance of victory??

Bomb as much as you like. You can destroy and burn lebanon, but you will never destroy the will of lebanese people successful all over the world. We always rebuild and we don't mind doing it again. Lebanon will expose Israel's ugly face to the world.

"Israel MUST NEVER let Hisbullah survive else thats the END" - Simon So simple Simon! Now, lets get complicated. How?

Ten years of experience must be ignored Mr. Ben Gurion. It does not fit Fox News. Let him go and put his head in the fox hole and pretend that what happened between 1996 and 2006 didn't happen.

Noone cares what Europe thinks. they are the continent of napoleon, hitler, mussolini, stalin, bismarck, franco,and more. you let jews die, you segregate muslims and blacks in your own countries,in france minorities riot, mind your own business. when algeria attacked you france, what did you do? When Turkey gets attacked by Kurds what do they do. EVERYONE HATES THE JEWS, LEFT WING FEELINGS FOR ARABS IS PATHETIC AND NOONE CARES WHAT A SWEDE OR CANADIAN(ALMOST EUROPEAN) THINK.Jews and america are strong, and the arabs have turned ALL peace loving americans into racist arab haters, well done.

You just need several explosions in Rome or Milan by Hezbollah or Hamas. like we had in NYC - 9/11 It will help you to think more clear.... Sorry. God will save Israel! Shalom!

I've posted this B4 but here it is once again. Does anyone else consider that,just perhaps Israels' refusal to return the Golan Heights to Syria is the reason they support Hezbollah ? M.

Israel has no choice but to launch a ground invasion into Lebanon. The Lebanese Shiites--the Hezbollah constituency--will not greet them as liberators. Guerrilla war will continue and so will the drip, drip, drip of Israeli casualties. Meanwhile, Hezbollah will have succeeded in a primary objective--destablizing the newly-elected Lebanese government. As America experienced in Vietnam, military might alone will not win this war. Even if Israel clears out all the rockets from southern Lebanon, the local populace will rearm or just attack the Israeli troops in their villages.

Salah You have the prognosis without the diagnosis.If your feelings are as strong toward your Pali brethren,I suggest you go and join in the fray,and live the good Jewish people alone. If by repeating the same boring and ineffectual prognostication is what you perscribe then who needs a person like you hear to take notice of your lies and what is more trying to convert some the innocent respondents here,by repeat with in your version of the demands you ascribe to the good and Israel loving people with the same regularity to present here day after day Salah.You are a disgrace Salah and stop it now! Is your remuneration worth it I wonder. I have given up on you a long time ago,and was quite right from the very start...

The Shiite's gonna hit the fan now...

So Iceland has troops in Afghanistan and Iraq? The holocaust should not be used in such a light manner. It was unique, besides which I haven't heard that Iceland gave sanctuary to the Jewish people during that horrendous time. I support Israel, I will never support the killing of civilians. To do so only debases what occured before.

The fact that Hezbollah's missiles can reach so deep into Israel adds urgency to Israel's mission. Israel must completely neutralize Hezbollah and Hamas by taking out their arsenal. If Israel fails to do this, it will pay later on, as both groups will continue to get stronger at the expense of Israel's security.

And you are saying what, exactly? If I want to know what the other side thinks, I much rather read Dar Al-Hayat, which despite its obvious anti-Israeli stand, produces some very interesting and well-thought out articles. Even they admit that terrorism is a very serious problem in the Arab world.

OK paul if you think so little of us We should withdraw British troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. Afterall you don't need our help.

I am also an Italian and I would like to say that us Italians and Jews stick together. I dont buy the fact that youre Italian because I know how much Italians love Israelis. Lebanon should not of captured Israeli soldiers. They did, and now they are facing the wrath. Israel is too lenient with these Arabs. Destroy them once and for all....as well as the wannabe Italians such as yourself.

I will tell you the answer. The first three Israelis have drowned. The Arabs wanted to send Israelis to drown at sea for a long time. I think the time may have come for this to happen. So obviously 'citizens' are leaving for fear of drowning!

Avraham Goldberg has no sense of history/reality. He?s apparently under the impression that time froze in 1947. ISRAEL'S own human rights orgs can readily tell him the West Bank/Gaza occupation has been illegal since 1967, by Resolution 242, passed by the UN Security Council (thus legally binding). 1) Don?t appeal to logical fallacies re: Israel?s right to exist, as the occupied territories exist *beyond* what Israel can legally claim as national borders. 2) Don't dismiss Israel's legally-binding obligation to withdraw. Not unless you?re prepared to also dismiss the existence of Israel, which too happened by an official UN resolution in 1948. You can?t pick/choose which laws to follow. 3) Israel alone manipulates it?s fate with regard to national safety. Being the internationally recognized state, IT had the onus to withdrawal decades ago. That the government stalls indicates that Israeli geo-political interests have more intrinsic value than it?s own citizens. God help you all.

Roberto Bluff,bluff and lies and more lies is it? You silly man! Do you have any idea that firing th Patriot Missiles is not an easy undertaking,just like the stupid qassams? I should ead about the capability and the price it incurres firing them.have you ever served in one of of those?Do you have any ideas how not only expensive and the manteling of them requires quite a great knowledge and personnel to mane those.You are being very childish indeed. Just wai a moment Robert and when the right time comes it will do the job.I only hope that the Patriot Missiles they have is the latest being number3 and not the 2! Even then they are not all that accurate as it happened in the Gulf Wars.you sound very ignorantabout it all.Please do not gloat yet.When the time is right and neccessary the Israelis will use it wisely.They only assembled it yesterday.What else can I tell you to undertand the workings of these special missiles. A bit of study and learn...

How long does Israel have to wait to actualy attack it's enemies for so many years of turture? It's about time that Israel as a country take matters into it's own hands and not listen to public opinion from the EU Etc. It is a country for itself looking just to have a peacefull enviorement within its own borders. This is what Israel should do everytime there is a attack inside it's borders. Show that it realy matters.

http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2006/07/i-have-just-received-these-pictures.html olmert and his gang will be tried for crimes against humanity. SHAME!

By Israel's brutality and criminal actions against all Arabs you have managed to discredit every last one of us 'moderates', we have realised that the only thing Israel knows is to use excessive violence in order to secure more 'lebensraum' for its population, basically, since we are damned if we do and damned if we don’t, we might as well do. If Israel ever wants to see a day of peace in this region, much less become an accepted member of it, it better start working on its relationship with all its neighbours esp. the Palestinians, you have done so many crimes to your neighbours that we can hardly ever forgive much less forget, start today, in the long term your atrocities will never help you, take this friendly advice from a Jordanian 'moderate' who one day believed in peace and went so far as to visit 'Israel', and face the fact, you are nothing more than the neighbourhood bully who is willing to destroy everything to get what they want, you are seen simply as a cancer.

I will pray for your wife and her family, that the G-d of Abraham will watch over them, and all the other people in harms way...regardless of country, religion or political affiliation.

It is now evident how dangerous the terrorists organizations-Hezbollah and Hamas could be with their Iran-supplied rockets. This weaponry was never used in the past wars. This is an existential threat to Israel. Israel must therefore decimate Hezbollah and Hamas completely to insure that this weaponry will never again be in the hands of terrorists. Israel should also go after those terrorist states that supply such weaponry to the terrorists. This is the only way to bring about normalcy and security in the region. So long as terrorist states and terrorists exist, the conflict will be unending. They are a danger to Israel, the region and the world. Israel's ground forces should be deployed to hunt down and destroy the terrorist rocket hideouts in Gaza and Lebanon. The savages still have thousands more of these lethal weapons. They should also eliminate all the gun totting hooded savages.

lets admit one thing,israel do like regimes like syria and iran,their real fear comes from the only democratic free economical country in the region (Lebanon).if u do like ur PM admits that syria and iran are the mind behind HB operations, y just dont u hit tehran and damascus ??? u know y !! coz u dont give a shit who shot u ... what u have in mind is punishing lebanon !!

israeli citizen leave israel at the moment .. why?????

I pray to Allah that your wife is safe and is hopefully on her way back soon Insha Allah,Infact many western countries are taking out their nationals from Beirut and Lebonon,I pray she is alive and well along with all other people of beirut. And if you are a lebenese I want you to knwo the world if not all of the world,many people around teh world DOES CARE!!And we wish you our love and hope that all of you are safe and this nightmare ends soon for all of you. Stay safe! Ameen!

Ohh so thats what the patriots were for.Oh but why didn't the whole city evacuate when they knew the terrorists are bombing haifa???? I don't think Hizbola will initiate a cease fire,they are not in the business to cause Peace rather the opposite of that.

Javier, while you begin your criticism with condemnation of all sides, in the main you criticize Israel, in effect, holding Israel to a higher standard. The reason there have not been as many civilian casualities in Israel is that they have taken the precaution of building bomb shelters for their civilian population. This is necessary in a country whose neighbors have tried to annihilate them many times in the past. Would you feel better if more Jews were dead also? Frankly, it's amazing that more Lebanese civilians haven't been killed but this is only because the IAF aren't targeting them. That should be obvious.

Shmuel, Beautifully said. From your mouth to Hashem's ear. Amen.

Patriot missles were supposed to intercept LARGE incoming. They didn't work in 1991 and don't seem to work now. Israel seems to be America's junk yard I'll bet they don't protect the White House or any important U.S. installation.

HA.. HA.. HA.. YOU MADE LAUGH AT YOU STUPIDITY, "MATRAZZI"!!

LOL wow what a noble Idea,why dont you jump on the adivisory council of Israel. By the way nice joke.

This doesn't enrich the discussion...

Israel must never let Hisbullah survive, else it is the demise of Israel. Iran and Syria could provide it with WMD such as chemical weapon, radiological weapon, etc. It must be eliminate and the population that produce this fighter must have its breeding capability(production capacity) impeded.

"What would taking the guns of U.S. citizens do for the war on terror? " - gun owner Nothing. We only terrorize each other with them. Most folks shot in the US are shot by family or friends during arguments, not targets of terrorism.

Will I ever see my wife again, and her three sisters trapped like animals in Southern Tyre? Where is she now? Does she have food? Does she have electricity? Does she have news of her three sisters and her parents?Did she try to escape, reading these deceiving leaflets?Is she alone?Is she crying?Does she find sleep? Is her beloved body still breathing on this disgusting planet? Why does the sweetest and most loving wife on Earth have to go through this infernal slaughter? Why are they so many people snearing at our demise? Why is the Earth packed with ignorants pigs and bloodshirty imbecile rats? Dominique Warreyn Beirut, Lebanon

And by doing so, you spill more "Jewish blood". If you do the math, Tsahal is indirectly killing more than 2 Israelis to have back 2... Would you call that a smart move?

The Patriots are useless against the types of rockets currently being launched at Israel. They could be effective against some of the longer ranged rockets which Iran might have supplied to Hizbollah. They also could be effective (depending upon several factors) against land attack cruise missiles. I presume that is why they have been positioned in Haifa. I see that Hizbollah is calmly extending the depth of their strikes. Pretty clever. It underlines exactly how ineffective the current campaign has been and emphasizes the anxiety factor as people who have here to fore felt safe find that they are not. I also detected an offer by Hizbollah to terminate attacks on civilians if Israel does.

Bill, you're right on target. I agree with you that Israel should sit back and let its borders be violated and have its citizens be kidnapped and ransomed for prisoners. Wouldn't want to harm a hair on some poor vacationing Western sunbather's head.

Iran's cat's paw Hezbollah move against Isreal was timed to try to take pressure of Iran at the G-8 summit and the United Nations Security Council. However the fercoity of the Isreali response has caught Iran off guard. The gamable risk the fragmentation of Lebanon and reignting a civil war. The government of Fuad Saniora is fractured weak and is no position to restrain the Shiite Hezbollah. The added risk is radical Iraqi Shiite cleric Moqtada Sadr. On a visit to Iran and later Damascus Sadr pledged his service off his private militia in support of "any Arab government or milita." This pledge many mean cross boarder threw Syria to reinforce Hezbollah or more onimous the ingniation of Iraqi Sadr mitila against US and allied troops in Iraq.

I want all of you to know in Israel that there was no way for us lebanese to get rid of Hezbollah except by force. They have been amassing power over the last six years vastly superior to the state, have positioned themselves in intelligence posts in the state, are backed by two fierce regional powers, Syria and Iran, and have a fundemental ideology (wilayat al fakih) which severely contradicts the ethic of the lebanese state (multi-confessional, liberal). The Sanioura government has been struggling severely since the Syrian withdrawal to helo lebanon rise economically, but hezbollah has stopped all his plans, and the government has no way to remove them because theyu have a huge popular base among shiites, but the majorities in the rest of the communities are against them (druze, christians, sunnis). They are also secretly suspected of having a hand in the assasinations of rafiq hariri, samir kassir(newspaper journalist) and George Hawi (former leader of the communist party). Help...

Its not all that ridicilus as it seems,Israel has negociated with Hizbola before and why should you be surprised if it does so now?? In conflict there is always secret talks behind the scenes and thats no secret,Are you so unaware dear?? All the soldiers should be released somehow anyhow even if it means to talk to the terrorists,Their families must be so worried.

FOX is trying to think, partly, and this deserves encouragement. Happens only too rarely. So here: 1. "With all of your inane chatter about so-called secret agreements with the Hezbolah, you fail to explain how this latest kidnapping fits in." - FOX You are reading TOO MUCH into the deal. It was not a cease fire deal, but only: If you do this than I do that. Can you see the difference? 2. "You also stupidly wrote that the Hezbolah did not fire rockets into civilian areas on the first day. You claimed that all rocket fire was only meant for military targets." - FOX You are reading TOO LITTLE of my post #152. I QUOTE Haaretz to that effect. Learn to read, Foxy. 3."Any deals made with Hezbolah are a joke." - FOX Here is the old Fox again. Fox "knows" (i.e., believes in) the facts. No need to think, no need to compare beliefs to reality. P.S. Better clean your mouth, dirty little Fox. I recommend using the kurkar "sand" near that block factory where you live.

You are full of hate towards us - Europeans. You blame Christian Europeans for all your troubles?! Sure, some Europeans are antisemites, and have done so wrong during WWII but hey come on, don't put us all on one line. If I were to put all Americans on one line, I'd say you are a fat sloppy American who does not excercise (except for lifting up his fork, guiding it to his mouth) who watches tv constantly and has no knowledge whatsoever, who thinks that Europe is part of Texas, USA. Get real American Super Jew !

Javier, You have summarized all. I may just add that there is a root problem to all of this; it is not the kidnapped soldiers and the rockets as most of the so-called world leaders claim, it is the Arab-Israeli conflict that need to be resolved once and for all. Unfortunately the world leaders are not dare to tackle the root issue.

I think we should all join hands and become Pacifists!!! Say no to bloodshed,Say no to terror,say no to agression!

How on earth does Israel think they will get back their soldiers when it is bombing the hell out of little Lebonon? Hmmm not a very smart way to gain your goal guys. Just wondering Do Israelis know what "Diplomacy" is????

I think we'd better withdraw our troops. Syria'd be the worste enemy... and all islamic world too. We fought and now... come back home!!!

hell yea!I was wondering the same thing,CNN showed the patriot missles again and again that were placed in Haifa,So why couldnt they stop the terror attack on Haifa citizens???? They don't work??Or were they positioned in the wrong area??

...I saw her on Al-Manar firing a Katyusha at Haifa...seriously!

It is indeed sad that Lebanon is being destroyed; however, when your government is officially partially made up of terrorists and you allow them to retain arms and operate unfettered in your country, what exactly do you expect? The Lebanese peace (and the Palestinian one at that) have been nothing but a charade delaying the inevitable. The Palestinians and the Arabs at large want the destruction of Israel. Their talk of peace is a subterfuge and a crock. They won't rest until Israel or they are destroyed. I'll go with the latter.

We should never have waited untill they were allowed to aquire this type of missle - we should have hit them before this.

Israel should appologize to Hizbollah and the innocent Lebanese that got killed and stop it's occupation of the Arab countries. Egypt would have been invaded by now but Hizbollah is serious and strong .

Hitting Beirut is counterproductive except for S Beirut is located. Fire up the tanks and roll into Lebanon or at leats assault heliocopters

Israel don't cave to world demands for a cease fire. It is apparent that Islam has increased its' determination to elimate Israel. You are doing the dirty work for the west, and as usual are being criticized while taking care of their problems. Supporters of Israel need to write to all of the western leaders, Britain, European Union, Australia, Canada, U.S. and demand that they openly acknowledge support for Israel, provide funding and military support. These attacks on Israel are just the beginning of Islams' war on the west. Consequently, it is time for western nations to have the guts to stand up to them, and crush Islam's fascist cult.

Don't let them get away with it. Make them disappear from the face of the earth.

Hizbullah hit Haifa just after israeli deployed their patriots. Bluff, bluff, bluff... Lies, lies, lies

While civilians are dying in Israel, Gaza and Lebanon (bombed by Hizbullah, Hamas & Co, and the IDF), here there are too many extremists that could easily join any neonazi group: calls for extermination, transfer, razing entire populations (arab or jew). Quite appalling to see this sad sight particularly when coming from Israel, given the history of suffering imposed by exactly this type of mentalities. Unfortunately, those at the head of the IDF are both incompetent (Qassams keep on raining despite the occupation, the soldiers are still kidnapped, and Katyuskas from the terrorists keep killing civilians), and behave like terrorists (IDF has managed to kill more than a 100 civilians in a few days - quite a feat to surpass the terrorists in killing civilians). Pathetic. Sad. And dangerous for everybody else.

With all of your inane chatter about so-called secret agreements with the Hezbolah, you fail to explain how this latest kidnapping fits in. Israel did not attack Lebanon, so why would Hezbolah think of attacking. You also stupidly wrote that the Hezbolah did not fire rockets into civilian areas on the first day. You claimed that all rocket fire was only meant for military targets. what are you on Benny? Nobody here sees an agreement with the Hezbolah, and thus syria and Iran as worth shit. You believe in this excrement, you actually see the Hezbolah as good boys gone bad. They are only seeking a little understanding from those bad bad Israelis. Once again, and pay attention my slow friend, only when the Lebanese take control of their borders will there be any chance whatsoever of peace. Any deals made with Hezbolah are a joke. As rediculous as most of what you say, my Time-Warner chatty doll.

I do not agree with your statements on guns and crime in America. Still, when I contemplate the pernicious invasion of Europe currently taking place, I can bet that a vast majority of Europeans will start regretting not having a "second Amendment".

A cease fire will not fix this. Not after a strike in Hiafa. We need to level every building taller than 2 stories in all of Lebanon so that Hezbollah has nowhere from which to fire rockets and nowhere to hide. Then, we wait for a respose from Syria and Iraq. The time has come, lets get this over with and lets do it right

A peaceful prisoner exchange? I knew you people were big fans of hashish, but you must be stoned out of your mind. They kidnapped a guy! Talk about giving these bastards an excuse to keep on doing it!!! Haifa, by the way, has a large ARAB population. Furthermore, so does Nazareth and Afula. Europeans are, and have always been, perpetual enemies of israel and anti-semites. didn't those riots in france tell you ANYTHING? how's about those Islamic terrorists who bomb all over the place? Friends of yours? Arabs and the west are mortal enemies, and it's the fault of you fucking european christians! So you can thank your asshole friends in Britain and France for the sykes picot arrangement, and your ancestors who marched off to "liberate" the holy land in the crusades- where by the way, you also destroyed your own bretheren in Byzantium.

The 8 canadians killed were lebanese canadians, which does not make it less sad. Still you seem concerned about US, EU, Canadians that can be killed in Lebanon, but why don't you wary also for the same killed in Israel. Just to remind you, the young sodier cowardly kidnapped by Hamas also has french citizenship.

Thank you Moshe for your wise arguments. "There's a time for everything." Quohelet/Eccelsiastes 3

although your post is good, i bet you that there will NOT be a ground invasion. Israel is well aware of the many traps should this occur. Whereas, it would make good sense for a ground invasion i dont think Israel will do it. Lets wait and see. (i have a ticket to Israel Aug 2----dont know what to do)

israelis must realise how horrible it is to live under the threat of bmbs and terror as palestenians been living for along time.i hope this will encourage sraelis to ask government to stopp terrorising innocent pals on daily basis.

Let us all remember that in the annuls of history there has never-ever-been a country of Palestine. If the mad man Arafat had negotiated in good faith instead of continue his criminal endeavors deceiving and extorting the world and using the plight of the "Palestinians" as his way to personal gain ( Does anyone yet know where the millions if not billions went to??) The "Palestinians might have finally FOR THE FIRST TIME had a state of their own--which all must realize was part of the initial partition of Palestine and rejected at that time. So as far as there being only one state--if that is the way it is to continue--my sense is the "Palestinian's" great great ...Grandchildren will be writing the same claptrap in another 100 years.

It's appalling that anyone here actually believes Hizbollah wants peace and that negotiating a peaceful solution with them is even a possibility. A cease-fire only gives them time to re-load their weapons (and import bigger ones). Just listen to them. Google Hizbollah and read their web-pages. Don't listen to the Israelis, listen to Hizbollah themselves.

Cut the head of the snake off,and the rest will wither and die.

hizbollah and Hamas is solely responsible for the violence in the Middle East!! If we ignore the nearly 40 years of Israeli illegal military occupation, the continued expansion of illegal settlements in the Occupied Territories, the brutal suppression of the Palestinians and the theft of their land and water. Then israel wonders why it gets attacked. It is the biggest terrorist nation of all.

With all due respect, Nicole, Ha'aretz, by allowing anyone to comment, is illustrating the difference between Israel, a democratic state where people are free to voice their opinions, and Israel's enemies. This is why Israel is worth fighting for. Of course Israeli opinions are not being depicted in Arab media but does that mean we should follow the same practice? I think not.

At least they are both honest. They are there to defeat Israel. It is up to Israel to defeat them, by any means necessay.

ALL THESE COUNTRIES SHOULD HAVE DONE MORE TO GET RID OF HIZBOLLAH IN LEBANON BEFORE RECOMENDING THEIR CITIZENS VISIT THERE. They just didn't care what Hezbolla did to Israel and let the threat grow. I hope these people get out. But, put the blame where it belongs.

how many states do you know of that came to existence without the use of force? unfortunately the reality is it's a kill or be-killed world.

Dear Palestinian from Al Quds,Sunday morning your message began by this statement: “I think it`s too late dear Israelis to talk about 2 states. Now it`s only one state Palestine from the river to the sea” You are writing as a tired and deceived peace-fighter; as a person who has worked very hard for the solution of two states. Please, dear soldier of peace, I am curious to know what have you really done for that? In fact, I am in connection with Palestinians and we are really working hard for this long term and difficult objective. When I read you, I don’t recognize the language of my friends but I think to identify quite well the language of the eternal guys whining, crying and too lazy to project themselves in the future.

Bless all the people of Israel. May you defeat the terrorists who threaten the entire free world and who are attacking you today.

Hassan Nasrallah is not only a Great Leader but a man of qualities that rarely grace this earth (like it or not!)...AND he is a Great Trickster. He knows well and has tested the overly agressive Israeli military phsyche before (in case you didn't know you had one!). He knows Israel will not back down, while he intermittently hurts it to insure it continues fighting. Israel has fallen into his trap of escalation. As the Israelis scramble to kill him, I am sure he will try and be as calculated in his martydrom as he is in his life. I believe he is going to change Arab History forever, for better or for worse

"Iran dictates the Northern border dispute. They will not accept a comprehensive agreement with Israel and Lebanon /Syria unless it so weakens Israel as to make it easier to dislodge it completely."- Ezreal Ezreal, I can't read a post which is based on such a hallucinatory note. Iran has a veto power over Syria making peace with Israel? Since when? And over Lebanon? Iran has influence over Hizballah, they are their suppliers and supporters, both materially and ideologically. There will be no direct shipments to a Lebanon at peace with Israel. Flown into the governments hands? You might claim just some overseas help; some could be smuggled thru Tyre perhaps. Of course, the government and Israel can watch that too.

Howdy Andy; I'm afraid that you're right. Both Hamas and Hezbollah thought that they could get away with attacking Israel from completely unoccupied territory in the Gaza Strip and southern Lebanon with impunity. I'm sure that they figured that by taking a few IDF soldiers prisoner that they could force the Israeli government to release hundreds of convicted terrorists in exchange. Everybody including Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria, and Iran thought that the Kadima-Labor coalition was weak and would buckle under their demands. Boy, were they wrong! Now Hamas and Hezbollah have a full-scale war on their hands and they aren't doing too well. Rumor has it that the IDF is preparing a major ground assault into southern Lebanon to crush Hezbollah and the IDF is already reoccupying portions of the Gaza Strip. I'm afraid that the Islamic terrorists have fallen for their own macho rhetoric and jumped the gun before Iran is armed with nukes.

what ocupation? you mean your occupation of indian land ?

What would taking the guns of U.S. citizens do for the war on terror? That makes no sense. Gun ownership is protected here in the U.S. Our founding fathers realized that people like you would try to take that right away from us & potentially have some form of dictatorship over here. Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens make us safer. Its a PROVEN fact. Without guns, crime rates jumps dramatically!

Another misreading of the Geneva Convention by Jeff. If countries are at war, infrastructure is fair game. I suggest you get off legal interpretation; you do a poor job. We have seen previously the "proof" you gave for IDF not being in occupation in Gaza; showed exactly the opposite of what you claimed. Some logic. If I were you I would hide my face for a while and not venture again into that area.

do you know your name is a hebrew name ie a jewish name

Hi, Amazing time in which we live. One never truly lives in Israel until he has experienced a war here. Nothing binds people together like war. T he brotherhood between soldiers, friends, people, the man at the makolet, the taxi driver, the sense of national responsibility that engulfs us and begins to dictate our reactions to people, to every day situations, all of this, is the revealing of our true colors. That we all intuitively know, deep down, despite our differences, that we are, as a nations, one big family and that all we have really got is each other. The three weeks in which we are now in. The three weeks of morning that accumulates on Tish B'Av, the day our Beit Hamikdash was destroyed was the result of the opposite of the above. Disunity between our brothers and sisters, distancing ourselves from our family for no reason, feeling no responsibility for the guy we have never met. Family disharmony, we do not recognise each other as a brother, a sister, a mother, a father, grandparents, great grandparents. And now war, everyone from Tel Aviv north in the same situation, people moving in to each others homes, everybody thinking about the same thing, the same conversations, the same worries, the same fears. we suddenly realize we are in this Fox Hole together and the only ones who understands us is each other. This is what HaShem wants, he wants us to be together, the national focus upon our differences has disappeared in a haze. the focus, as a nation, is upon our enemies, our nationally and individually shared enemies, we all have the same enemies, each and everyone of us experiences the same hatred from the same people. our attention is now upon them not upon each other. we have become unified in our shared defence from the common enemy. and we are together, in a time which is defined by us being apart.

The US, Britain and Israel are the ONLY three regimes that sponsor terrorism. They can only exist through making dissents, wars and selling weapons. Bush, Blair and Olmert are wanted for crimes agaisnt humanity. Yesterday, your IDF killed more than 23, 15 were children, in the deadliest single attack in the four-day-old campaign by Israel after Hizbullah caprured two of its soldiers and killed eight. REUTERS, 15 July 2006. Sayyid Nasrallah is truthful as all of you know that well. The solution: Indirect negotiations and exchange of prisoners. Olmert and halutz know this is the ultimate solution. But they lust for blood. Hizbulla is not the cartoon leaders who kneeld at US boots. Long time past that Israel has been a BURDEN to the US. More than US$40 billion/year has been extorsioned by Israel (through AIPAC) from the American taxpayers. Bush and his neocons will not govern again in the US after this fall and ultimately at the end of 2008. Wake up!

I think you people get used to this cycle of violence and are addect to it. and no one try to be courageous and go straight to the goal cliamed then take different way to make it long and wrong doing. The missing number is very simple: the interpretation of the united nation resolution by order in the time, you start by the older one and go back the lastest not the opposite. the 1967 so called borther is invloving the captured terroteries not just gaza and west bank, get the missing one syria involved positively that is the missing thing. OF Course every one should recongize Israel in its 1967 border and stop firing at it, better try to do business togother. Good Luck

Ah, the old "self-hating Jew" canard. The truth hurts, doesn't it?

this is going so far and it is leading to no thing but total destruction. It is time to stop argyuing and accuse each other. it time to have the courgae not to kill and detroy but to make peace and present your hand that you are ready, this is the wisdome that leader should have in those situation. my prayer are with evry one for peace

Mark, you're absolutely right. Israel pulled out of Lebanon and the Gaza Strip completely but the "occupation" apparently continues and is the reason why Hamas and Hezbollah continue to wage war against Israel. Did you hear Nasrallah's speech today? He boasted about hitting Haifa and Tiberias and other towns and cities in "occupied Palestine". Not Israel. Occupied Palestine. Because, you see, for Hamas and Hezbollah, no matter how much Israel withdraws, any square meter it stills sits on is occupied Palestine. For them, there is no place for Israel. So you're right. You call it occupation, we'll call it existence. And as Hezbollah is finding out, anyone who wants to put an end to our existence (translation for you: occupation) will have to deal with us first.

Funny enough, i felt today on this article in french which is a "fiction" scenario happening during Rosh HaShana in the year 5 800 : http://www.mercure5s5i.com/lenouveaumonde/article.php?art=1033 For those who can read french, i suggest you follow this fiction story which sounds very realistic due to the knowledge of this author in the midle east conflict and the number of books and articles he already wrote on the subject.

Olmert and Peretz are very smart to be bombing the vacation spot of many Americans, Canadians and EU citizens. Why alienate France, Canada, Italy etc? Of course the polocy is idiotic, and we'll see a national unity govt very soon to keep the incompetents in the Israeli cabinet.

go get you heart fixed to know how you do not hate and how to be tolerent abour race including yours.

Any serious show of sympathy by the Lebanese government would go along way. If Lebanon and the Lebanese government are so against Hezbollah, why have there been no public annoucements by officials? If this were true, they should be offering to help Israel rid their country of Hezbollah. Why aren't Lebanese politicians calling for Hezbollah to disarm, end this conflict, and leave their country? How can they appeal to UN for help after six years after of refusing to follow a UN resolution which calls for the disarming of Hezbollah following the Israeli pull-out?

the only reason for war, is the inability of the jihadists to destroy Israel. Plain and simple.

Haaretz is a civilized media that allows readers to comment about its columns. Israel is a democratic country at the moment and there is still freedom of speech. You should never forget that. We are paying the price of freedom after all, a freedom based on democratic values and on a millenary civilization that we should be proud of. Avraham

You analysis is really excellent, and I hope that it is paid attenton to by many people. The only point you have not touched upon is the possible complicity from within the Lebanese government since from what I understand, the firing of the C-802 missile that dammaged the Israeli warship, needs a radar system to guide it.

zadok the priest No point in talking to that Arab who calles himself B.G. He is an Arab from Lod called Salah. There it is zadok.No doubt he will pooh,pooh it and deny the truth.Jew he is not! Not by a long shot zadok. And to add insult to injury to our people,he gets paid for wrting here. Now! I wonder if Haaretz will have the guts to put this out eh?? We'll see...

Robert... your argument makes no sense. arafat is dead. why would you single him out as the problem? the arguments of jews living in america with respect to this conflict are largely insane and motivated purely by a unreasonable zionist zealotry. you aren't living anywhere where you have to worry about the incredibly concrete repercussions of aggressive militaristic zionism. you can, from a safe distance, fan the flames israeli hate and state-sponsored terror. you suffer nought. your brothers and sisters in israel are threatened by rockets, gunmen, destroyed infrastructure and global disgust. there are more diplomatic, rational and proportionally-scaled solutions to these problems. supporting aggresive militaristic zionism isn't one of those solutions. wait til lebanon bites the bullet and turns to syria for assistance after they realize that america will only continue to block a UN cease-fire resolution...

The only reason for the problems in that area is the Israeli occupatinon of arab land. let them pull out and every thing will resolve.

Have you ever given thought to the possibility that Hezbollah is not reporting its casualties accurately so as to boost morale in the face of what seems like unmitigated disaster? I just saw IAF video footage of a Katyusha rocket launcher in full action managing to fire 2 missiles before an IAF bomb pulverized it. Hard to believe that the Hizbullah operatives operating it or standing nearby got out alive.

fully agree,except that the L-rd is not some Jew called JC...

Cher Andr?, Your statement is simply ridiculous: because you don't like Israelis - you write "Jews", but I don't have to remind you that not all Jews are Israelis - criticizing their own government, you call them self-haters. This is short thinking - or even worse, a verbal "raccourci" (shortcut) that prevents you from thinking at all. If you don't like Ha'aretz and its nuances, don't read it or at least propose constructive argumentation against it! There are also plenty other newspapers to please you.

from your post to gods ears. Finding him in a snakehole will be ok too

Mobydoc It's not the bla bla million arabs that are fighting Israel right now. It is a small determined group that believes in it's cause and will not stop untill it achieved victory.

Ezreal Brilliant and wonderful responses both.But!You are speaking,or trying to convey the intricacies pertaining the strategies etc,to Mr.Ben G. Sorry,but he will either not respond,or obfuscate your subject to top it all and proceed to the contrary. I don't know if you were here a few weeks ago,when someone pointed out that no matter how hard some of us try to reason with him it is a waste of time. His real name this person said Is: "Salah from Lod" which is not surprising,and not only he is an Arab,but he gets paid for doing his job. No doubt he will deny it,but we are not fools here.When he replied to Ronnie Wolman,he just said: Take no notice about this Arab business.He did not categorically denied the accustion though,which begs the question...

To all our Israeli Brothers and Sisters. From the Heartland of America, you have our prayers and support. May you finally overcome the devils wrapped in towels and realize you due peace. Tom

i join my prayers to the person that earlier sent his for peace among all people. just how soon will it get here...

when Israel was given land to become a country again in 1948. The land that was given to them was a swamp land. It was land nobody wanted. Israel with the help of other nations rebuilt the land which became very prosperous to the point were the palastenians worked and lived and thrived with the Jewish people. Unfortunetly other nations became jealous of there prosperity. These nations decided to disrupt the harmony of the palestenians with what we call terror groups like Hezbollah. These nations like Iran,Syria, and Iraq could have helped the Palestenians instead they are using them as a puppet to get national attention and as a way to support there main agenda and thats to destroy Israel. This is a conflict that will be only settled by the Lord OH Mighty (Jesus Christ) The Bible says in the last days all nations will come up against Israel but she will be like a heavy rock no one can move.

Ronnie, I hope you are right about the stalemate. This time I get a good feeling that with the USSR gone big power politics is not going to hurt Israel, and I also sense that there is a great sense of "Enough, already" in Israel. The whipped-dog demeanour of Nasrallah at his recent speech suggests that he has also received the message loud and clear and is now merely scrambling for survival. I was listening to the Syrian Ambassador on CNN this morning. The poor guy was in oscillation making a fool of himself by refusing to answer questions and ranting instead. Clearly the Syrian's game plan was broken and their playbook was empty.

they are all the same - they are always threatening Israel/USA Israel will find Nasrallah in a hole just like americans found Hussein. They start wars, then cry like babies and seek the UN help. I hope Israel destroys this cancer in Lebanon (not the Lebanese people). Just a suggestion.....when you think you have bombed Lebanon enough, bomb them twice as hard. The arabs understand the language of strength.

Those were not phospherous bombs that the Israelis dropped. What happened is that the regular bomb scored a direct hit on some chemical weapons that Hizbollah had stockpiled in a mosque between a hospital and a nursery school.

I wish God explodes Earth because human being does not deserve to live in His Glory. He gave us all beautiful things to cherish in life and we are refusing them. By killing each other, i think human being is serving Satan!! All mankinds are weak and we need to understand that we are all going to die one day and no one will take anything. What's on earth remains on earth no matter how much we fight for.

Thought forum readers may be interested in the front page of the Melbourne Age readers are having with their breakfast. Road to ruin Lebanon is paying a terrible price in lives and losses as the Israeli Air Force carves it up at its leisure. Picture: AP Nasty picture of devasted appartments and burned out cars etc.

I as you want to see the soldiers returned.The problem is that any loss of life by the guerillas are martyred so for them I think they see value in this game. We somehow have to make the top guys afraid,Meshaal of Hamas and Nasrallah. I would destroy the threat of Hezbollah to the fullest as I said. I would go for a buffer zone of course but wonder about the logisticsand failing that some kind of Israel/Lebanese freindly force in South Lebanon. This is not fascism. I am still for limiting civillian deaths as much as possible. Hopefully israel has even more creative ideas of how to release the soldiers.

If the missiles are hidden in villages by Hezbollah then Israel has no choice but to target a village in which they believe missiles are hidden after giving the residents 60 min to leave If they bomb the village and there are secondary explosions they have the proof and one by one they could blow up the villages where they believe that there are missiles. In the meantime Hezbollah is going to start removing missiles from whatever villages they have hidden missiles and then the IAF can get both the missiles and Hezbollah with the same bomb. Stephen Murray and Dutch won't like the idea, which in itself is a good reason to try it.

Why don't Israel go find a land in the states and leave the Middle East for Arabs?? If Americans love Israilis, why don't they give them a land and live there?? they have plenty of empty lands..

It caught my attention the running away of the Israelis during the bombardment. It reminded me of the day when the Israelis attacked us , killing a few and driving us out of the village where my father was a big rancher with 400 dunums of land. All of a sudden we became refugees living in a Palestinian camp. It came to my mind if we have two persons like Nasrallah in the Arab World, then our return will be sure. The smallest Arab country " Lebanon" could cause Israel to flee. It means we must be full of hope for the rapid return.

Israel bombed and prevailed the sky, miles up in the skies. If u read western news agents, you think that Israel is already in Beirut and they are controlling the area... Nasralla killed, hizbolla distroyed and lebanon deosn't exist... What I see in reality, bombing from miles away, Israeli soldiers miles away. The turning point, will be when there is a direct clash between soldiers, Which has always been in favor to Hizbolla. If Isreal wants to change the rules of war, they need to come from the land. OTHERWISE, JUST STAY AWAY FROM LEBANON AND RETURN PRISONERS AND OCCUPIED LAND.

If Hizbollah would have staid put and tended its fields, or its beards, ot its virgins none of this would have happened. The reality is that Hizbollah entered Israel, killed 8 soldiers and kidnapped another two. What did they or the Lebanese expect? An invitation to discuss the incident over a cup of tea? I just saw a pale, steamed out Nasralla on a faded screen and he was a changed man. I guess Israel's reaction took the wind out of him in just 5 short days. Israel will lash out to its enemies with biblical fury and there is no bargaining, only consequences. I think Lebanon is very lucky to have a neighbor in the South that is doing all of the dirty work and will rid the Lebanon of that plague called Hizbollah.

We have a historical choice, to start the vicious cycle of death, or to find a real way out. the death toll is rising everyday. What are we really fighting for? Land, power, captives, or a revenge. My heart is bleeding listening to the news from Lebanon of people are dying for no crime. Who are we trying to demonstrate our power against? unarmed peasants in the south of Lebanon. Well if this what it is.. Then congratulation IDF you diffenately can ruin cities, you definately can kill unarmed people and for sure you proved to the world that it takes days to kills a 100 lebanese people. Now. Can we stop the blood shed? or listen to the bloody thirsty few who want to force a war on the majerty. Olmert. you are smarter than that.

Israel should attack Iran ams Syria instead of Lebanon. They want to fight Israel and destroy it at the same time. It us useless to bomb those who want to disarm Hizbulah but have no means to do so. Israel needs more friends and not enemies. It is being that hard for Israely Army to win over Hizbulah. It would have been impossible for the Lebanese Army to disarm the Hizbulah

Where have you been gorgio? What's in you head? Macaronis? Get a clue before you open your mouth. If Israel wanted to target civilians, there would be no more Libanon or Gaza or west bank So your comments are baseless and stupid,

HI, all: check out David Brooks' column in Today's NY Times 7/16/06. It is brilliant, and can be seen online at nytimes.com. Gist: as Israel has withdrawn from territories, the Jihadists, ie. the Palestiniacs and Hezbolligans have gone berserk, ruining the chances for their people to live in peace. and yes, 6 million jews will stand up to 250 million arabs and say, "never again!"

"With this peace, the government of Lebanon is also on Israel`s side. They control airports, seaports and borders. Just think realistically, Hizballah is gone." Iran dictates the Northern border dispute. They will not accept a comprehensive agreement with Israel and Lebanon /Syria unless it so weakens Israel as to make it easier to dislodge it completely. Hezbollah are a wrecking ball waiting for an excuse to strike. Iran will continue to use it's petro dollars to fund and support Shiite militias in Lebanon and will have Syrian acquiescence for such a policy. Their petro dollars support the Syrians as well. Even if Israel negotiates a deal with Syria, the Syrians can and probably will continue to allow hezbollah to function as a relatively autonomous force who essentially operates to Iran's agenda. Syria can not be made to close down Hezbollah and Lebanon need external help to do so. Israel can start and perhaps others under the auspices of the UN/ArabLeague can be brought in. If Hezbollah are not simultaneously weakened and dislodged from its southern Lebanon strongholds Iran will still have the means to exert a block on any peace initiatives. They pose too big a risk to simply ceasefire, exchange prisoners and start more wide ranging negotiations. It would be too easy for Hezbollah to restart trouble at the first sign of progress in any negotiations with Syria. Hezbollah demands to be dealt with on their own merits prior to any other issues being broached. The only alternative to this is if Iran can be cajoled enticed or forced to change its own regional aspirations. This may take too long and there is real likelihood of failure. As for Iran directly sending armaments to Lebanon, as I say, if Syria deal with regards the Golan they will not need or be compelled to stop shipments to Lebanon and could easily allow shipments to be flown in direct to Lebanon if they didn?t wish to be implicated in Iran-Hezbollah dealings.Or shipped. Or as Jeff Northridge says in his post to you, there are other means of getting armaments in without direct or official Syrian involvement.

Ezreal Having read your post to Ben Gurion,sorry to say he will pursue with his so called logic,and will not deviate from his conclusions.They are contradictory,and blinkered as always. Of course someone needs to reply and argue points with him.By all means do so.It will be to no avail.He seems to have many answers,but no tangible solutions.Changes with the wind,and like the proverbial wind it will just blow into his face. That you Jeff,and Ezreal tried to explain in some way the objectives,does not hold water as far as his closed mind is concerned.He ignores certain possibilities,except his own.He,and only he is right. This makes him a single minded man,with no moral fibre.Always to the detriment of Israel. p/s Haaretz this is for Jeff Northridge and for Ezreal...

It's touching that you care so much although your response is a little schizoid. You're right dropping leaflets as you bomb airports, roads and ports is extremely humane. Then when they can't get out their 'dummies' for dying! Why are Americans so war crazed?

Mark, you raved; "You love those who`d decapitate you in a second for not being like them, and Israel fights to save the lives of its people from these animals. Who looks like the psycho now?" Well uh...you do actually Mark!

Andy...glad you like the moniker 'Psycho'. Sadly it's also a powerful encourager for further mindless violence and retribution and economic sanctions and political pressure from citizens elsewhere who don't like to be reminded of the barbaric behaviour humans can regress to. Everyone knows you cannot negotiate with a psycho but it doesn't mean you accept their behaviour. Seeing as you are not in the ME what makes you such a cheer leader for violence?

47 civilians reported dead in Lebanon today in IAF bombing including 8 Canadians. No reported Hezbollah casualties. As Marty said bad reality TV.

The fact that Palestinian innocents were killed dosn't prove that Israel intended to kill them.It shows how dangerous war is,and how important it is to avoid provocation.If you oppose killing innocents,you must fight in your community for negotiations and against deadly prvocations.How else can things ever change?

I think terrorist aggression is to blame, they strike and then hide behind there women and kids

I do not understand. One week ago, Hezbollah was supposed to have 10 000 -12 000 rockets... They already sent several dozens, Tsahal destroyed many of the places where these rockets were kept... yet, Hezbollah still has than more than 10 000...