Rice: Goal of talks is two states for two peoples

Timothy, she'd smile even if she were standing alongside you. That's what she gets paid to do.

Mr. Bush, how about roadmap for 2 states in Iraq, one sunni and one shiite and encourage the moderates there. Thereafter all could even buy condos after piece is made.

I am appalled that Ms. Rice, a U.S. government official, would meet with the likes of Mr. Lieberman who is an open and avowed anti-Arab. And I'm shocked that she would pose for a picture with Mr. Lieberman and in the picture smile at the camera. What on earth was she thinking? Clearly, her moral compass is broken. This act by Ms. Rice has shamed the U.S. and probably ended her political future. If she were to run for office, this act would surely be raised. How would she explain smiling into the camera while standing next to Mr. Lieberman? She should have refused to talk with him explaining that she opposes racism. And the only photograph she should have allowed was one with her giving him a nasty disapproving look. God only knows what the Arabs are thinking. Is it any wonder they distrust the U.S.? Peace.

Howdy Joseph; It would be funny if there weren't people dying all over the place. What is this? Stooge diplomacy? Condi and Livni agree that "two states for two peoples" is the only way out (as if this hasn't been known for 60 years). What does Abbas say? If he agrees, then he is dead man walking even he agrees to a "Sodom-and-Gomorrah" state. Here we go on the "Roadmap to Hell". Bunch of idiots! First, determine where the permanent border is (no temporary hudnas permmited) and then, go from there. Do these diplomats take us for simpletons or what?

Forget the bibical nonsense I agree. Archeaology proves Jew have lived here for well over 3000 years. Anthropology and DNA evidence proves the relation to the modern people. Even many Christians and Moslems are descended form the ancient people. Do some research. Jews rarely accept converts, but you probably did not know that either. I could explain further but it would not be wsimple. Pure=Simple=Tom

I have stated this before. If the Muslim nations in the Middle East wanted peace it would have happined. Because of Israel the Muslims are united. They do not ask why so few have the money. They dont ask why the leaders run to Europe to do everything the Quran days is wrong.Now they are cncerned about the little Hitler in Iran. THey may start talking in earnest

About Bush decision to increase US troops in Iraq ( May G'D bless them and protect them ), Now Rice is taking out some female steam against her docile puppets Livni , Olmert ( All Merde ) Peretz ect... to reward muslims with terror PLO sodom and gomorrah state , She obeys her boss Bush obssession with Quartet Road map to Hell, Meanwhile all the above figures raise not a finger to free Shalit , Udi and Eldad , Remember US forces operation to free the US woman soldier abducted at the begining of the Gulf war ,

Lieberman is quoted as saying "In the event that Israel decides to reassert control of the Strip, he said, such a step would have to result in the deployment of 30,000 NATO troops to maintain the peace." Huh? Where did Lieberman pull this from? His hat? Is he saying that Israel agrees in principle to the deployment of NATO troops into the Gaza Strip i.e. we'll knock it all down and then you guys have to come in an put it all back together? And yet it's just plonked into the body of this article and nobody even comments on the stink.

There were not excite nation in history with name of Jordan and Palestinian state The Great Britain your grand father the last occupiers in20 century have established those new names and they supposed to make Jordan Palestine but for their future interest they have changed their mind and every body knows that the majority of Jordanian are Arabs Palestinians Buy the way Israel has been excite since 2000 B C and will be for ever Say to your fiends in all over the world

How disgusting to see this picture of smiling Condi with that monster Lieberman. Is there no hope for justice for Palestinians? I guess not anytime soon!

I thought the human presence on planet Mars was Spirit and Opportunity I guess everyone should add you name as well. Listen carefully I will say this only once. Condeleeza Rice is not in the Middle East to OK a nuclear strike on Iran. Condoleeza Rice is there to ensure US has a voice in future affairs in the middle east after rhe month of May when US and UK forces withdraw from Iraq. That means a two state solution to the Palesinian Israeli conflict. What part of that do you not understand?

How wonderful it will be when the Palestinians are rewarded for 60+ years of racist violence, with their very own bloodthirsty terrorist state. A dream come true! It will be a lesson for other savage, racist and genocidal cultures. All a violent, deranged culture has to do is attempt to commit genocide against another race or religion, year after year, decade after decade. and your child-killing, racist culture can get a state of it's own! Makes the heart warm, doesn't it!?

for hire for Iran , Syria , Egypt , Saudia Arabia , Kuwait , Bahrain , Jordan ,ect... Even US and EU support and sponsor terror PLO, Israel leftists and seat/ology politicians care more to sell out Israel and care less about Israel soldiers that died Defenfing Israel from Isrtael's enemies ,

today deals with the Lebanon assassination and how it is alleged that US, Israel among others has failed to cooperate with the "investigation" they were pushing as to who was responsible. According to Haaretz article, only SYRIA has cooperated and Jews on the post are quite upset Israel was even named, let alone they hadn't cooperated. They need to read your post to understand why whacking folks is the Israeli way, you know the usual suspects. Better be careful, your kind of talk could get some of your leaders whacked when they leave to try to convince the deaf world of the validity of the Israeli position on the Pals and Iran.

everybody is on this issue. Why should the Pals leave, cause you wanna steal their land? Forget the biblical nonsense, you lose on that one too, cause you cannot offer proof the present Israelis are descendants of the biblical Israelites. What a laugh, they want you out and you want them out. Try the mandate instead of biblical accounts.

Condi has been UNUSUALLY quiet since she was the prime cheer leader to the world for the Lebanon fiasco---she hasn't been on US TV spots every and all day Sunday the way she was, and rag tag papers like the Enquirer indicate Laura Bush wants her out!!! The talk is persistent and over many months, kinda like the Monica Lewinsky story when it first broke only in questionable tabloids, who turned out to be right. There is also talk of drinking again.

Hi there Hannah, I see this poster posts the same post every day. Is there somin wrong with her??? The fact that she says you refuse day after day to answer some question suggests she may be a stalker!!!! Read your posts, they are hardhitting, yessiree, and I enjoy reading them. Regards.

Your right "no rocket science" let the Palestinians stop the rocket fire for awhile, that might help......

Israel gets everything it wants, and Uncle Sugar gives each Palestinian a rubber raft. The rafts will all be tied together somewhere in the Mediterranean, and anchored there. Unless Bush is willing to play tough with Israel viz the settlements, there is no room in the world for two states. And since Bush's daddy did press Israel to curb it's behavior and territorial ambitions, Oedipus Bush will never do the same.

have given birth to a mouse. Surprise, surprise! Condi after extensive academic study has concluded that there needs to be two states for two peoples. Now, why have the rest of us failed to see that for the past 60 years after everybody (including the UN but excluding the Palestinians who want to conquer Israel) have come to the same conclusion since 1947? Do bears shit in the woods? Only when Condi says they do. Thanks for nothing Ms. Secretary of State. Now, where's the border?

If you don't have something concrete or serious..save the time and the expensive jet fuel Condi.

Jordan is Jordan and Palestine is Palestine. Please don't get them confused. This is the easy way out for your friends in Israel (the land thieves).

Rice: Goal of talks is two states for two peoples. Excuse me, but there are already two states for two peoples ? Jordan for the so-called Palestinians and Israel for the Jews. Are there really a shortage of arab/muslim countries? There are currently 23 arab states, 36 countries are 85% or more muslim, 8 countries are 100% muslim, yet they want to carve out yet another dysfunctional, terrorist arab state out of the only, tiny Jewish state. Way to go Condi.

Of course she will talk about the pal/Isreal issues. Bit the "main course" is about IRAN look at the places she is going.

all talk

Doesn't quite look like the lovefest the Israelis were expecting does it? Without announcing it, is the Bush government telling Israel we are doing that part of the Baker report? So Bush can have some sort of legacy?

...and death, and their war crimes spree has no end in sight.

negroponte was placed in a lame duck position that no one else wanted. it "was take it or leave it"...HE was demoted!...not her. you seem a bit unfamiliar with the duties of "secretary of state". theirs is not to create foreign policy...it is to promote it. although of course, they have a say...but that's as far as it goes. and there's no doubt that condi's say, just like powell's before her, is contrary to the president's. we've been hearing from powell, recently...and we'll hear her thoughts eventually. i personally think the pres ought to go with her plan. he can't hurt himself much more politically...so why not do what is right and defy that 'most powerful lobby'...to salvage something good out of his presidency?

...this charade must stop, this endless teasing of the palestine people by Israel & the U.S that peace is at hand or they are working for a two state solution is dilibrate and callous lies, no rocket science is needed to achieve peace in PALESTINE,

No, she is very well educated and such people are specific what they think one should do. Beside, like this it is just read who murdered whom daily.

In any democracy a persomn's right to be heard is valid. You may not agree with what that person says but he has a right to say it. Like I have the right on this talkback to say that the only solution to the Palestinian Israeli conflict is a two state solution with the right to return to the Palestinian state. You might disagree, but I do have the right to say it. As Jeff has the right to say what he believes.

If this was really about 2 states for 2 peoples this whole conflict would have been history decades ago. Reality is this: The Arabs or whatever name they give themselves are not nor will they ever be reconciled to permit the continued existence of Israel. Lately they have submitted the idea of the so called right of return for Palestinians to Israel proper which is tantamount to a poison pill for Israel. Reality: there are many places where they can return ie. the west bank & Gaza, Jordan and still have a homeland. Therefore, any solution which fosters the continued existence of Israel is something the Arabs have in one way or another, always rejected. So this is the crux of the problem.

"The American Conservative" definitely makes its money of people who want to blame "the Jews." Your attempts to turn Americans against Israel have already been tried, and succeeded to some extent. Realists understand, however, that Isreal is a sister nation of democratic capitalism and freedom, while her enemies, Iran, Syria, the Palestinians etc. are cowardly terrorists led by tyrannical regimes that murder without hesitation all voices of dissent and peace. The sound of bodies hitting the pavement will ring eternally in Americans' ears, tying us forever to Israel in a war angainst cowardly, tyrannical, murderous Islamic men. This sound is deafening compared to your terror-sympathising whining. After decades of Israeli victory against racist genocidal annihilation, it is time to put down the gun, reform Islam, and live in peace in the civilised world.

My original "offending" post now occupies slot #12, making the usual mess of subsequent references to other post numbers. Go figure? Has Condoleeza departed from Israel?

cross-eyed? oh not at all...not one iota...but her hands are tied by who she works for. anyone who thinks she doesn't have a plan has very shallow perception. sad thing is that her plan conflicts with the "man's"...so she must bite her tongue and present 'his' proposals...or lack thereof...--like all secretaries of state are required to do--. but her statement that you quote here...makes her own thoughts clear...and i can imagine she's got a plan or two up her sleeve...which you probably wouldn't like. too bad she's not allowed to implement them...but once released from her ties...she's gonna speak her mind...whether she remains in government or not. and her book will be far more devastating than carter's.

because Israel won't give Pals their money they are withholding; and since the democracry Israel/US pushed for didn't produce the desired pimp so world funds were cut, he had to do what he had to do to feed his people because he won't agree to be a pimp for Israel/US---think about it, if he did agree, he, not Abbas, would get 86 million. His refusal to buckle under to your unreasonable demands makes him a better man than your usual suspect, Abbas.

The amazing thing of course is that Bush got re-elected by the so called security moms. The same mums who are know sending their young sons and daughters to their deaths. ---- It's likely that few of those security moms are sending their kids to their deaths. Like Bush et al they make sure it's other peoples' kids who are on the front lines. At least Britain's Prince Harry has the guts to do what other Brits are expected to do. Would that Bush would do the same with his precious daughters.

You never know who is behind a computer on the internet but Jeff's comments do not belong here or in 99% of the thought of most Americans or Israelis. I throw out his comments just like some rabid comments on the other side. Peace.

Give up your quest to destroy Israel, stop blaming the Jews, convince Muslims to accept freedom, democracy, etc, or suffer as colonized savages for eternity. Come up with a plan that doesn't involve the destruction of Israel as a Jewish state or blackmail by suicide terror, and you will find a legitimate partner for peace. Or continue your humiliating war against Western civilization, and die like fools.

Stop jerking our chains every time your popularity ratings plummet. What used to work in the 80s and 90s no longer work. So go sell your BS somewhere else Rice/Israel.

Fantastic So more than 3000 fine American soldiers, 197 British troops and over 600,000 Iraqi civilians have died. Because the long and short of it is that Saddam Hussein tried to kill his Daddy. It obviously couldn't have been one of Hussein's acolytes trying to curry favour with Hussein then? It had to be saddam himself. The amazing thing of course is that Bush got re-elected by the so called security moms. The same mums who are know sending their young sons and daughters to their deaths. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. Saying that for someone who does not have a plan Condoleeza seems to have quite a few ideas of what should happen. Two state solution, Abbas as President, Israel withdrawn as far as possible behind the green line. me thinks the US is getting back at Israel because Iraq was Sharons idea.

Two states idea is only for political purposes, but it is not for realization. There is only one way- 2 or 3 self- governing mini states for Pal Arabs with a coordinated center as a PA.

I was for a long time from the extreme leftist camp..I'm getting dissapointed every day..The US's blind support for Israel will simply not do!!Americans are naive and the average Joe's main concern is to have enough gas in his car, mow his lawn on weekends and have enogh beer and peanuts to watch Monday night football! Americans are gulible...we need more serious people backing the peace process.

Doesn't Haniye entering Gaza each time with a suitcase of millions of dollars make him the biggest pimp of all?

And it is the only solution other wise you are wasting ours time and there will be no end to this conflict

Though we have given Israel $20,000 for every Jewish citizen, Israel refuses to stop building the settlements that are the cause of the Palestinian intifada. Likud has dragged our good name through the mud and blood of Ramallah, ignored Bush?s requests to restrain itself, and sold U.S. weapons technology to China, including the Patriot, the Phoenix air-to-air missile, and the Lavi fighter, which is based on F-16 technology. Only direct U.S. intervention blocked Israel?s sale of our AWACS system. Israel suborned Jonathan Pollard to loot our secrets and refuses to return the documents, which would establish whether or not they were sold to Moscow. When Clinton tried to broker an agreement at Wye Plantation between Israel and Arafat, Bibi Netanyahu attempted to extort, as his price for signing, release of Pollard, so he could take this treasonous snake back to Israel as a national hero. Do the Brits, our closest allies, behave like this? http://www.amconmag.com/03_24_03/cover.htm

But U.S. and Israeli interests are not identical. They often collide, and when they do, U.S. interests must prevail. Moreover, we do not view the [Likud] regime as ?America?s best friend.? Since the time of Ben Gurion, the behavior of the Israeli regime has been Jekyll and Hyde. In the 1950s, its intelligence service, the Mossad, had agents in Egypt blow up U.S. installations to make it appear the work of Cairo, to destroy U.S. relations with the new Nasser government. During the Six Day War, Israel ordered repeated attacks on the undefended USS Liberty that killed 34 American sailors and wounded 171 and included the machine-gunning of life rafts. This massacre was neither investigated nor punished by the U.S. government in an act of national cravenness.

As most every diplomat and journalist who travels to the region will relate, America?s failure to be even-handed, our failure to rein in [Israel], our failure to condemn Israel?s excesses, and our moral complicity in Israel?s looting of Palestinian lands and denial of their right to self-determination sustains the anti-Americanism in the Islamic world in which terrorists and terrorism breed. Let us conclude. The Israeli people are America?s friends and have a right to peace and secure borders. We should help them secure these rights. As a nation, we have made a moral commitment, endorsed by half a dozen presidents, which Americans wish to honor, not to permit these people who have suffered much to see their country overrun and destroyed. And we must honor this commitment. To read more: http://www.amconmag.com/03_24_03/cover.html

This nonsense about Palestine being the homeland of ONLY Jewish people since 4000 is a Zionist bluff that we use to hear since the land was taken by force from its native people, the Palestinians. If the Americans have to adapt a new strategy towards Palestine, it should be to reach a comprehensive settlement through a binational State in Palestine for 2 peoples, the Jewish and the Palestinians with equal rights. All other solutions are damned to failure, for sure.

you may enjoy this..... Before the Iraq war when Bush was still making the case for invasion I saw him on TV going on about the "weapons of mass destruction", Osamas best friend, etc. He seemed to grow frustrated and in a moment of rare candor looked at the camera and said, in reference to Saddam, "he's a bad man, he tried to kill my dad" true story. cheers

Abbas is the latest US/Israeli pimp!!! He is getting paid 86 million; his people will probably whack em, but if they don't I don't believe Pals will agree, and they shouldn't. They are trying to find somebody in Pal land to agree to give them what the intl community is denying Israel, the right to keep the stolen and occupied land.

No, Mr. C., it wasn't the "my husband" comment, which is on the public record and would, therefore, probably pass muster with Mr. Red Pen. ballistic - why Ms. Condi is in Israel and beyond is anyone's guess. Without making any perceived-as-disparaging comments about the S. of S's shopping habits, I will simply say that many D.C. insiders view John Negroponte's nomination to the #2 spot at State to be, in effect, a demotion for the current #1. Enough said.

Can this report be accurate? Did Abbas really propose a provisional Palestinian state with the Wall as a border? If so, he appears to have given away the farm. How will it be possible to dislodge the illegal settlements when the "provisional" border is taken as the starting point for future negotiations? If Olmert had made this suggestion I would understand - am I missing something?

The answer is so obvious and deosn't need a mirrot to be figured out.

Loved your post, humor and dread. Some will see red but carry on.

She said:= "I have as an academic spent a good deal of time reading about past efforts to try and make progress on the Israeli-Palestinian issue and a couple of things are crystal clear" What books does she read? Look at the cost America paid for being ignorant of the culture in Iraq and the Middle East. All problems in the Middle East are Interconnected, culturally and ideologically. only and when only Rice and her academic colleagues understand that, she might be helpful. She is totally disconnected from reality and live in the IVORY Tower of the Roman Empire.

Condoleezza Rice is in the region to revive Israeli-Palestinian peace talks. She is not coming with niether a proposal nor a plan. She said also "no plan can be made in America" If so Why you are here? Condoleezza Rice does have a plan but afraid of failure & Israeli rejection, she needs the approval & acceptance from Israel before she declare the plan on public.

There is some evidence of a long term strategy emerging in the Middle East of a long term plan. Consider the following: The US troop committment to Afghanistan is being reduced as the Taliban is resurgent. The President is allowing Iranian diplomats to be arrested in Iraq. A campaign to destabilize Syria is underway. Currently, there is no al Qaida in Syria. The government is too repressive and secular to allow them. But a destabilized Syria might be ripe for a move by al Qaida there. It took nearly a year, but Hamas has been driven into the arms of the mad mullahs of Iran. The US is fostering civil strife in the Palestinian territories. Is it possible this is all just an accident? There has to be a plan. We just don't know what it is.

If you don't understand the pun of the name I forgive you. It was a sarcastic post. Here are some other plans. Plan A: Arab plan? Plan B: Lefty plan Retreat to line drawn in the sand, Arabs move freely across, but Jews do not. Refugees come in, economy collapses, go to plan A The wrong plan: Evict Arabs kill thousand start WWW3. Disengagement Plan.

Here comes Condi Claus Here comes Condi Claus Right down Condi Claus lane Peace on Earth will come to all If we just follow the road map Let's give thanks to the Lord above 'Cause Condi Claus comes tonight! Since all previous "Peace Plans" have failed perhaps the "No Plan Peace Plan" has a chance! But on the other hand isn't planning to have no plan a plan? We are doomed.

I think Bush went into Iraq to do one better than his Dad that's for sure. His Dad sent Baker to give Bush the means to be able to leave iraq without losing face. Unfortunatly because it was Daddy's friend's plan he rejected it. He then went diamettrically opposite to what he percieves as his fathers views hence the troop surge. Also don't forget the Iraqi parliament have to authorise a law about oil rights which will make him and Dick very rich men indeed. Maybe that is the madness that is enveloping the White House at the moment greed as well as stupidity. I thought the way he stumbled over his words during his address he was seeking dutch courage.

Actually I think it would be amazing if anyone who truly knew what they were talking about would get involved in one of these conversations......... guess not

Hi Ben Jabo: exactly whose arm is Condi looking to twist??? Lotsa folks are wondering why she bothered to make the trip--they kicked her arse at the Senate Foreign Rel Commte hearing televised just before she left--she looked and sounded VERY uncomfortable---stammering quite a bit when attacked by Republicans for the hair brain scheme.

Hey Victor; try to put your thoughts on Condi's visit in a more Haaretz "acceptable" form; I and many others in the US would like to know why the hell she IS there!!!

#3 clickfool chose a good name for himself..... what a babeling idiot

Was this something to do with the Freudian slip of Condi at a Washington dinner party, when she referred to George W.Bush as her "husb..." (hastily truncated)? (;-) CF

you are in the USA, but with an attitude such as yours, you outa be up front, suited up right over there in the middle of the madness you espouse. That you could say & believe 1 jew is worth a million Arabs indicates that you are either a mad hatter, smokin somin you shouldn't or that you are just one of those extremists that both Jews and Arabs will need to deal with to get anywhere; the attitude is also the basis for the antisemitism chgs Jews like to throw out there. With an attitude such as you posted, people like you are not as good as 1 right minded Arab--you are a disgrace to good jews and to mankind!!! Sorry you are in the USA; we don't need too many people with your attitude you so clearly express, and proudly. I hope you have an excuse for this attitude, such as being a tad mentally deficient or something, huh?

"PLAN TO DESTROY ISLAM!!!" - X-Slave Don't be silly. There is no "plan". The outstanding thing about the actions of both the US and Israel in the 21st century is that there has been no coherent plan. Both governments have been run by gut instinct and wishful thinking. A plan involves having a goal and creating the circumstances and actions required to accomplish the goal. There is no evidence of that.

"What a suprise, Bush Admin never had ME plan in the first place." - Tupac There was a plan. That was the "road kill" where the US pretended to want peace between the Palestinians and Israel, while giving the green light to driving a Mirkava over the dove. "Lets just hope that the troop build up doesn`t lead to incursions into Iran and Syria;" - Tupac A major push by saner minds, led by Brent Scowcroft, led to the abandonment of the plan to attack Iran last spring. Dumbya went through his moment of doubt after the election. For a while it seemed we would have adult supervision in Washington. Now Darth Cheney and the neoconservatives have got him back on track. The current "new way forward" is a 'strategic' plan created by the American Enterprise Institute. Dumbya is determined to conquer the middle east and it will take major efforts to stop him from a war with Iran. ". . .which is opposite to what the Congress and the people want." - Tupac What do they matter?

Hi Chris; I wish I could feel as confident this will happen as you; I watched the Senate FR Committee with Rice; even Repubs are VERY nervous about this BS, talking about a constitutional crisis, warning Bush not to mess with Iran, etc. Do you believe that he and Cheney have lost their minds?? I am wondering if he will risk losing every soldier to rescue his ego. This is a very unsettling thing for americans; less than 20% support surge!!! Do you think the US will pull out?? Gee, Bush fired the generals and ignored Baker report--apparently everyone who disagreed with his BS--I often wonder what his Dad says to his errant son, who has been messin up stuff since adulthood and getting bailed out by Dad. Is he drinking as spotty news reports suggest?

"Oh well, somebody has to show the flag in the Middle East and I guess Condi is it, but I don`t see much coming out of this trip." - Jeff Northridge After her failure during the recent and as yet unnamed war between Israel and Lebanon, Condi has about zero influence in the region. She was just dressed down by Chuck Hagel for trying to lie to the Senate. She has lost her fight with Darth Cheney, and needs to suddenly discover that she wants to spend more time with her family.

Ccondolleeza expressed a terrific thought during Israeli bombing in Lebanon sayng something about that it was important a "good" solution even after deaths of a lot of people.It is a SS-like declaration.I have tried to know better this person:there was an explosion concerning her father`s church in Alabama whereshe has suffered as well the violent psychological aggression from that racist environment and all these facts has produced an deleterious effect on her mind.Two of these effects are no constituition of a family and diving on books and playing piano.As to the remai9nder psychic evolutions we`ll see in next future;the example of Lebanon is much more than enough by now.

Where have you been; it is not only Arab countries but the world who wants the Pals to get a state, which they deserve. Your post suggests you want to do to them what you claim they want to do to Jews---drive them out. Forget the biblical BS; no country would exist if we went back that far in time; besides how can Jews prove they are the DIRECT descendants of those living there 6,000 years ago. Nobody is gonna buy that plan and now Arabs are pushing. Your complaint seems to be that the Pals are causing a headache and not allowing Israel to steal their land without cost.

One comes across strong emotions expressed in these talk backs reflecting mostly anger and rage for being misunderstood or misrepresented. Your comments can not be catogarised in that vain. It is difficult to accept the message contained in your post, not even as an indulgence towards the manifestations of bad temper. Your post is quarrelsome and repulsively haughty. It is neglectful of facts and devoid of good sense and reason. Bearishness and insolence, contributes nothing to civilized discourse. I dare say you know that yourself, and I am sure you do not care.

THE TIME IS JUST RIGHT TO ASSINATE THE BEAST AHMADINAJAD WHILE HE IS OUT OF THE COUNTRY, TOURING SOUTH AMERICA. INSHALLAH. DANNY.

One comes across strong emotions expressed in these talk backs reflecting mostly anger and rage for being misunderstood or misrepresented. Your comments can not be catogarised in that vain. It is difficult to accept the message contained in your post, not even as an indulgence towards the manifestations of bad temper. Your post is quarrelsome and repulsively haughty. It is neglectful of facts and devoid of good sense and reason. Bearishness and insolence, contributes nothing to civilized discourse. I dare say you know that yourself, and I am sure you do not care.

The only plan that the Occidental nations and the Zionists have is to continue to steal Palestinian land and destroy radical Islamic resistace to global imperialism.

The US is posed to hand over $86Million to Abbas. As Hamas is an officially recognized terrorist group no money can be given them although I wouldn't be surprised if Rice wanted to. So all money was go to Abbas. Abbas said just yesterday that palestinians should not fight amongst themselves but turn all their guns on Israel. Exactly how does Rice reconcile that call to jihad with the $86M? The US government needs to face the reality that there is no one among the palestinians committed to a peaceful resolution and that the whole spectrum of palestinian leadership is in favor of violent armed attacks on Israel. It may be difficult to say there is no one to speak with but until you admit that sorry truth, you are insuring that there never will be a palestinian leadership who chooses nonviolence.

Lets just hope that the troop build up doesn't lead to incursions into Iran and Syria; which is opposite to what the Congress and the people want. Not so suprisng its what Israel would like.

Howdy Mark; It's a farce. Did you notice all those American flags behind Dr. Condoleeza Rice? Six of them! I would have used six exclamation points, but I hate it when people do that when one is sufficient. Oh well, somebody has to show the flag in the Middle East and I guess Condi is it, but I don't see much coming out of this trip.

"What I really believe is that we are seeing a re-alignment in the Middle East between those forces who are extremist and who want to use violence and who want, for example, to stop the emergence of a Palestinian state; who want to overthrow the young Lebanese democracy which got there fairly, and perhaps want to re-establish Syrian influence and dominance in Lebanon - that side of the equation. "And [then there is] the other side of the equation, where states want to use the political process and want to adhere to the now long history of efforts and contributions to resolve the Palestinian-Israeli conflict." Who does she think is on which side? Who uses violence and wants to prevent emergence of Palestinian state? We only need a mirror

It's not a plan, it's an ultimatum. Condi has arrived to twist arms.

I assume that my observation about Ms Rice's new position in the Bush Administration cut too close to the bone for you to publish it. Given her presence in Israel, I suppose you did what you had to do. But, my observation is something spoken about very candidly - but quietly - in the U.S. by people in the know.

"What I really believe is that we are seeing a re-alignment in the Middle East between those forces who are extremist and who want to use violence and who want, for example, to stop the emergence of a Palestinian state; who want to overthrow the young Lebanese democracy which got there fairly, and perhaps want to re-establish Syrian influence and dominance in Lebanon - that side of the equation. "And [then there is] the other side of the equation, where states want to use the political process and want to adhere to the now long history of efforts and contributions to resolve the Palestinian-Israeli conflict." Makes you think the poor woman is cross-eyed. This problem cannot be so easily turned black and white.

Hi Jeff, I'd like to volunteer to help you with your spelling the next time you decide to write a rant against Arab psychos. Is it a deal? Thanks, and have a nice day. P.S., you're a fine one to talk sir.

No plan? Now the Jews have to clean up the mess the USA created. Then give the psycho arab refugees NOTHING. No weopens, NO MONEY. Do NOT play both sides. Its up to Israel to handle this mess. It is Jewish land, Jewish lives. Get Saudi out of the picture. The USA has EMENSE LEVARAGE agaisnt al middle east leaders. WE CONTROL THEIR DESTINY. THE US CAN CEASE THE NEED OF THEIR OIL! and human homocidal vegatables who contribute NOTHING to mankind know it. One Jew is worth 1 million Arabs. One Jew contributes more to mankind then a million Arabs. Give these animals nothing. Not one cent. and keep Saudi from doing so as well. The Jews will rid themselves of the evil leadership, and instal decent huma beings who will raise the tide on all in the middle east.

No plan? Just 'smoke and mirrors." This is the same pattern of behavior that was exhibited in 2002. Rice is to tour the middle east for appearances only.

That's just great! No plan! Well, she's going to get an earful from everybody and then what? She goes home? Why doesn't she just stay home and read the newspapers instead? It would be cheaper. What happened to that plan for a temporary Palestinian state based on the path of the security barrier as an interim border that Haaretz mentioned yesterday and which a Jordanian newspaper attributed to Abbas? I thought that that would have been a major step forward and a definite possibilty, but the claim was denied and I haven't heard anything about it since. Maybe all these politicians and diplomats are lying to us again. Nah, that couldn't be possible could it?

Plans always made somewhere else never worked. Maybe coming over to Listen and try to find a middle ground between the parties is what is needed. Maybe it's time for shuttle diplomacy. What I do find interesting is as usual Clickfool is the fool he always is.His comments in response #3 shows once a jerk always a jerk.

We should worry if she had "a plan", becuase trouble awaits us after every US diplomatic move.

I like the old plan from 1948.. Drive to sea kill all that do not flee.

The US is trying to find a face saving way out of Iraq in time for the Presidential elections. Condoleeza is trying to save American influence in the region after this pullout occurs. UK troops are going to start withdrawing by May. This is the timeline that is becoming apparent. The US will not want to be seen to be abandoned militarily by the UK. The troop surge is one last throw of the dice, if it doesn't work in 60 days the Iraq project is going to be abandoned. Whic is really bad news for Israel. A Shia empire from the Mediterranean to the Persian Gulf, armed with weapons of mass destruction. If I was Israeli I would be dusting off that second passport.

America should rethink its strategy. What they presently have is one that has been pressured on them by Arab Islamist-Jihadist entities and states to work for the latter's agenda to reduce Israel to a tiny indefensible enclave by enabling the Arab Islamist-Jihadists to usurp Israel's Biblical and Historic homeland of Judea and Samaria which Israel has rightly defended and regained from the Arab Islamist-Jihadist occupiers in 1967. It is time for America to get the support of the Free World to pressure the Arab countries that already owns vast expanse of land stretching from Dubai to Morocco to accommodate their fellow Arab Islamist-Jihadists who are encroaching in and trying to usurp Israel's Biblical and Historic homeland which belongs to the Jewish people from the time of their forefathers--Abraham, Isaac and Jacob 4000 years ago. It is time Jordan whose population is 80% Palestinians be pressured to accommodate their fellow Palestinians who are dreaming of occupying Israel.

The Arab plan has not changed since '47 Drive to the sea, kill those that don't flee. This is what Hamas was elected to do and they have the support of most Palestinians. The Jewish Plan is to survive. Where else can we go?

Rice 'I have no plan'. Says it all really. As she admits she's basically just an academic. Maybe a good one. But she is one of those clever but dumb types who don't realise that learning doesn't necessarily produce wisdom.

Thank Goodness. bush and Rices plans not only don't work, usually they mean thousands of deaths

Of course Condi is coming to Israel with no plan. All knowing eyes are now turning to John Negroponte who, after his confirmation, will become the de facto Secretary of State. Condi, on the other hand, will probably make a stop at Mahli Mall to do some serious negotiating with the merchants there. The wisdom coming from the beltway has it that Bush could not outright fire her - he still likes her presence at cabinet meetings even though she is now viewed as a bantomweight - and was counseled that a Negroponte confirmation as #1 at State would be an iffy proposition, although the #2 slot would be a certainty. By making Negroponte the #2 at State, Bush accomplishes two things. He saves face, keeping Condi on board, and he gets someone who has both gravitas and substantial Middle East expertise. Good shopping, Condi!

Obviously the world is getting sick and tired of us, of our plans that are never consummated, of our vacillations, of the way we speak in half a dozen voices, and nobody prevails. And above all the world is sick and tired of the reactionaries among us, who do not even want peace.

"I am not coming to Middle East with a plan." Would that be true? I am convinced that she comes with the plan to rally support for an attack on Iran. This woman is known for her lies in the past. And nothing shows that she has changed.

The Americans never had a plan that works, or that works in the wrong direction. So, it is a relief that Mrs. Rice is not comming with a plan. The US deplomacy is centered around making their Iraq adventure, more profitable. So what are the Americans up to, this time?

With the Gulf shores looking more like America's border with Mexico, I think Arab nations are waiting to see what Rice is bringing.

..."if you don't lay ground work very well, it is not going to succeed..." I hope this is the last visit by Rice to Palestine. Because everytime he visits West Bank, things get worse in this area.

of Extreme Right....?

you have changed your mind and think that the state of Israel does have the right to exist. And if so, would you allow the Jews of Israel to remain in their country instead of being sent, by you, to Belarus?

"Rice - Not Coming to Middle East with a Plan" This just about sums up the Bush administration. It launched the Iraq War without a plan. The latest raft of 20,000 troops is being sent to Iraq without a plan.

There will only be Peace when the Palestinians decide that Israel and the Jews are entitled to exist in the Middle East. Untill that day no amount of US diplomats, bombs, kidnappings, suicide bombers, rockets and wars will bring them peace.We will in the mean time continue to exist as we have for 5767 years.

Ms. Rice made this unlikely statement:"And I think no plan can be 'Made in America.' It is getting too old, even for us former naive Americans, to swallow such statements. The fact is, all issues and problems in the Middle East were Made In America and only America can cook a Plan for Peace. It is too late to bamboozle us yankees any longer with such brainwashing statement. Only America plans the Middle East issues, Only America plans moves in the Middle East and only America can PLAN any solutions. I think the American people are tired of such statements. It is time for Ms. Rice to use her power, and she has it, to enforce upon all parties, a just peace and time is now.