Report: Syrian gov't secrecy left nuclear facility undefended by army

PSM: "My question is why bomb an empty building with no function?" PARANOIA mixed with POOR INTEL = BAD DECISIONS There are Americans, by all accounts, who were quite astounded when no WMD were found in Iraq. They had seen Powell's speech to the UN. Iraq had WMDs - Colin showed us the pictures! - and so America simply had to invade. Simply had to. Why is it so hard to comprehend that the SAME spooks can come to the SAME erroneous conclusions and, therefore, launch Yet Another Unjustified Military Adventure. THERE'S A BUILDING!! IT'S SQUARE!! So? REACTOR BUILDINGS ARE SQUARE!! Most buldings are square... BUT IT'S... IT'S... GOSH DARN IT I KNOW IT'S A REACTOR!!! Then why isn't it fenced? DON'T GET SMART WITH ME! I JUST KNOW IT'S A REACTOR!! You know it too, hey, PETER....

GT: "Of course Syria had the best air defenses around this facility, it makes no other sense." It does if this "reactor" was nothing more than a tall building with four walls of vaguely the same dimensions as a Korean reactor. In which case it had little military value, and so was not secured by Syria. GT: "For one the location is very close to the border with Iraq and American Airforce could be expected by Syria to attack it " Unless it was only a nondescript tall building with four walls of vaguely the same dimensions as a Korean reactor. In which case why would the Syrians "expect" Israel or the US to attack it, since such an attack would be made for no other reason than paranoia? Your "argument" is predicated on accepting that Israel attacked a nuclear reactor. What if it wasn't, Genuine Tosefa? Coz if it WASN'T then the lack of security is very easily explained i.e. it simply wasn't worth securing. Occum's Razor, GT.

CJK: "I asked why would the Syrians go to all the trouble of razing and burying a site if it was an "innocent" site. " Because the buidling was unsafe after bombs had been dropped on it, perhaps, and an unsafe but empty building is not particularly difficult to dismantle? But go have another look at the photos, Cipora, the "pumping station" and the "mystery building" are both still there; if Assad wanted to remove all trace of a reactor SITE then he'd have ordered that both be demolished as well. So why are they still standing?

Sir, it's a building! It might be a reactor! How do you know? It's square, Sir!! Reactors are square! Right. So it's a highly secret, highly dangerous, high-priority military target? Yes SIR! We should bomb it, SIR! Why doesn't it have a fence around it? What, huh, umm, Sir???? If it is a highly secret nuclear reactor for making bombs then why isn't there a fence around it? Ummm, um, um, um, because it's, um, um, OH YEAH! - it's sooooo secret that not even the Syrian army know it's there, Sir!!!! I've just called up Google Earth, and I'm looking right at it. How can the Syrian army not know it's there; it's in plain view. Ow, look, Sir, it's the best I can come up with. COME ON! We haven't bombed anything for WEEKS. Let me bomb this, Sir! Righto, Captain Warmonger, that's the best reason you've come up with; chocks away laddie, and let loose the Dogs of War! YES SIR!!!!!

How come all the Arab leaders are Dr, but in fact no one is practicing medicine? ((:

and Haaretz always repeats any such garbage as long as it makes Israel look weak, incapable or ridiculous. Of course Syria had the best air defenses around this facility, it makes no other sense. For one the location is very close to the border with Iraq and American Airforce could be expected by Syria to attack it and they will leave it with no defense? Syrians are insane but not this sort of things.

Do you have a degree? A degree of what-of blindness and deafness. Yes you have it-no questions about it.

I gave them the right!!!!!!!!

Your criticism of Peter SM for not understanding the Russian AA system just illuminate your ignorance. I will give you a little educational hint: Try reading Aviation Week (Its from my field of work) http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?channel=awst&id=news/aw100807p2.xml Keep up the military analysis its hilarious.

My question is why bomb an empty building with no function? Where the costs could be be far greater than any possible dividend.? Dead or captured IAF pilots paraded on TV and held indefinitely or for ransom? How do YOU know the placement of ALL Syrian AA defences.? All AA not just the latest.? How do you know the placement of the NEW Syrian defences? Using your really juvenile "logic" Israel would be bombing every building in the ME.Why did they pick THIS one?

It seems obvious that this was a setup for Isreal.

Israel is lucky that it's enemies are so stupid. It took Syrians almost a week to come up with an official "story" of what it was that Israel destroyed. The operation also proved that it is safe for Israel to use Syrian Air space to destroy Iranian nuclear facilities. The Syrians wouldn't know the difference between a bird and an airplane.

Cipora asked "I asked why would the Syrians go to all the trouble of razing and burying a site if it was an "innocent" site. " Answer: What happens in my town is that when something is destroyed, you have to clear the site before you can rebuild. That doesn't happen only with secret nuclear reactors, it happens with every building, innocent or not. Question answered. You can stop your pointless conspiracy theory harping now. But the REAL question is why didn't the US immediately show up the morning after the attack at the doorstep of the IAEA with all the evidence and demand immediate on-site inspection? All they had to do was hand it over and the IAEA could have been there before Syria ever got a chance to get a bulldozer there. So if you are conspiracy-theory minded, explain THAT one for me. The real question isn't why did Syria clear the site. The real question is why did the US let them do it before the IAEA could have confirmed any claims of nukes?

Peter S said "2.Syria has the latest AA latest AA defences." Yes they do. And Israel went the furthest possible distance in order to go around this AA. What would make you think that IAF planes ever came anywhere near any of the new Russian AA that Syria has? Syria isn't going to use it to defend the mostly empty northern border region when there are so many high value targets to defend in southern Syria. This story claims that there were absolutely no defenses at all, so why would you think that the Russian AA would have come into play in this whole affair at all? Where do you get any evidence that would prove that the IAF came anywhere near any location that the Syria has deployed there new mobile Russian AA?

Peter cowered in fear saying "clearly a building in Syria was hit what was in the building?? Who knows. Now did Israel just hit that building,considering the risks involved,for fun?" Oh my! A scary BUILDING that *shudder* we don't know what is inside! Yes, we must bomb all buildings that we don't know what is inside! Buildings are scary! They may push Israel into the sea unless we know what is inside every building! Peter, do you seriously want us to buy that your irrational fear of buildings is justification for acts of war? What's next? Israel must blow up every single inch of sand because something MIGHT be buried underneath it? OH MY!! I can't finish this post! I just realized I'm SURROUNDED and in mortal danger! There are buildings all around me, and I've never seen what is inside them! I'll have to finish this post from underneath my desk. I've got to Duck and Cover before it is too late!

This is just silly. Why would you have to tell the military what was inside a secret site for them to defend it? Just tell them to keep people out, what's inside is none of their business. The lies are having to get more and more complicated in order to keep this whole silly story going.

Islam for all time." Do not like that one.?"All of the mandate is indivisible Arab land". Do not like that one either?"there is no such thing as Palestine only Greater Syria." Take your pick. Do not like that? well the Pals do.

Spewing nonsense after nonsense she is the first in line to be eliminated when her Jihadi buddies will get their way as she encourages them.

how much the "mole" was paid for his earth shaking "intelligence" photographs... and how much he or she is laughing right now... while looking for another suspicious looking edifice to cash in on... i have'nt seen any of the photos...but i'd sure love to... cheers!

We are a tiny country of superior military might, some say, a mouse that roars, that rules the region. We are really good pals with the world's biggest bully, and he can kick anybody's ass, so we are afraid of no one. We attack our neighbors at will, and if anyone questions why, we say they better learn a lesson. If those questions arise to criticism, we claim an attack on our religious heritage. We possess the world's most deadly weapons, but when asked why, we give the world the finger. If we think anyone would dare act like we do, then we attack them for their threatening behavior. But, Why Do They Hate Us?

"But perhaps one can explain to me why the IAEA was not informed either before or after the bombing in order to ascertain the truth?" - Tosefta "Because the objective of the raid was to make the point that it could be done and not because there was any sound evidence of a reactor?" - Mark Lincoln Mark, with a little variation, your suggestion supplies the answer to the mystery of the IAEA not being informed. The QUESTION: Would it not have been beneficial for Israel to inform the IAEA about the site, have it checked out, and if found to be nuclear have the UN impose sanctions on Syria (like Iran)? ANSWER: Israel believed the site might be nuclear, but was not certain (as some US analysts were not certain). Instead of informing the IAEA, which could have solved the mystery without risking pilots and planes, Israel preferred to strike in order to deliver a message to all neighbors (including Iran) that it would not let an enemy posses nukes. It could then have informed the IAEA and have it check out the site. But then, what if the site would have been found to be innocent? It was better to keep quiet. EVALUATION: Israel acted outside acceptable norms of international behavior, as did Bush in Iraq. One day, it will get itself into trouble this way (or already did, in Lebanon). There are other ways of making points without being a bully. The nuke reason does not justify the bombing.

All of those making such absolute statements based on so little information (and much of it disinformation at that...) get a life.

I asked why would the Syrians go to all the trouble of razing and burying a site if it was an "innocent" site. I am posting what was reported by the Institute for Science and International Security, October 26, 2007: "A further examination of the DigitalGlobe imagery featuring the suspected Syrian reactor site on October 24, 2007 reveals that in addition to dismantling and removing the building, Syria appears to have buried the foundation. Syria bulldozed a section of a hill adjacent to the suspected reactor building and used the excavated dirt to cover over the site. Furthermore, if Syria intended to conceal an underground portion to this building that had been subsequently exposed by bombing, burying it would have been easier than removing it." Once again, Mark, why would Syria go to all this trouble if the site was indeed an "innocent" site?

"trying to make us all believe that Syria is to be blamed for the bundled attack by Israel." - Zach the ashamed I presume you meant to say "bungled" instead of bundled. I have no evidence any attack was 'bungled." The evidence I have is that Israeli aircraft overflew Syria. They dropped either bombs or flares, and then exited via Turkey. I have the claim by Syria that bombs were dropped either on an unused building or an unoccupied area. I have statements from Israeli officials that there was no prior intent to overfly Turkey and that the raid was "spilt milk." There is absolutely NO sign of an attack at or near the two sites named by US sources as the target. That a building at a third location might have been the target. That building was not associated with the type of industrial plant required for Plutonium production, resembled a North Korean reactor building, and was demolished in September 2007. Which all adds up to zilch, nada, nothing, zip.

"Cheney is Caligula not Bush" - Joe True, Bush is just Incitatus, or perhaps the rump of Incitatus.

trying to make us all believe that Syria is to be blamed for the bundled attack by Israel. Maybe some of us is stupid enough to buy it, but not to many really. But we do keep score how many sold their souls to be part of the cover up. One two three four five six seven...still counting...it is really getting scary this 'the Zionists controls the media' bit, they really seem to have a LOT of friend there anyhow. Thank God I have a degree. ----"the dollars got you dancing and you running out of time"---

Come On, there is no post-strike photos of the building. Only pictures taken in 2003, then August, and September 2007. The August 2007 photo shows an intact building, and the September 2007 shows a demolition site. There is absolutely NO evidence in the September photo that the building was a target of an air strike. Thus there is no 'post-strike' coverage which can be used to derive a BDA (Bombing Damage Assessment). The Chelm never think about things, they just have uniformed opinions, which is why they are fools worthy only of jokes.

Peter, it is clear you do not understand the nature of the AA system recently sold to Syria. It is actually a quite limited system designed to provide tactical cover for mobile forces. This system had not been sold to Syria before this year, and thus the fact that there was ABSOLUTELY NO SECURITY around the site when it first appeared in 2003 right up to it's demolition in 2007 has NOTHING to do with the tactical air defense sold Syria in mid-2007. IF the Syrians had the balls to leave a top secret facility without even a fence around it for four years, then it would be astounding. The twists and turns of argument necessary to keep alive the idea that this was a nuclear facility would have William of Occam rolling on the floor laughing.

Cipora, I have been reading David Albright's work for many years. As always, he was very careful to qualify his statements, unlike the many who ignored his qualifications. He noted that the building - only the building, not the whole site - resembled a North Korean reactor building. He stated it COULD have been a reactor. After he made his announcement of his discovery - which was nowhere near the two sites suggested by 'Bush administration sources" for the site of the attack, further photos came out showing that the building had been present 4 years before and the area around it had changed little. The indications of "construction" activity noted (mostly ruts in the roads) in the August 2007 photo might well, therefore, have come not from 'construction" but from the removal of the contents pending the destruction of the building in September. The ruble was not "buried" it simply was pushed over the edge of the plateau. The Chelm will continue to not read carefully or observe.

I think this attack on Syria was his idea, Bush was not told about it till after the attack. I read some reports that said that there was a lot of tension in the Bush Administration after the attack. I don't know this could be the explanation and with regards that it was a nuclear facility that's all BS. It probably was some sort of warehouse, but nothing more, besides I don't think anyone died, because then their families would have made a big issue out of it on Aljazeera. Cheney wanted to start a war; Bush does not want to start a war. That's why Rice is meeting the Syrian FM today, Rice is trying to calm things down and bring Syria to Annapolis.

"No post strike photos have been produced, and thus a BDA is impossible." What are you talking about - before and after photos are available all over. Clearly a building the existed in the before picture is no longer there. Do a search.

to defending one building That poses a risk to attacking aircraft. Even Syria has said a building was hit,they just keep changing the story of what the building was. Old army base etcetc. Pictures from a private satellite firm of a destroyed building in Syria said to be the building have been published right here in Haaretz. 1.Syria said a building was hit! 2.Syria has the latest AA latest AA defences.

Jordan, Saudi Arabia come to mind.

Mark, according to satellite photoes and analysis provided by David Albright, a proliferation expert of the Institute for Science and International Security, the site was completely razed and then buried by the Syrians. If the site was an "innocent" one, as you claim, I wonder why Syria would go to such trouble.

I was betting on the monkey fromIran

Looks as if the joke is on you guys.

I would find this story too unlikely to be believable if I had not read in a history book about something similar that happened with the Arab airforces in June 1967. On the other hand anyone who is stupid enough to pick a fight with Israel in the first place is stupid enough to do what this story says the Syrians did.

Is Syria entering nuclear mass production?

First, you should know that my own grandfather also drank tea holding a lump of sugar in his mouth, so I am well aware of the practice. This was indeed the earlier practice and then too the role of sugar was not so clear. Some said that it was a sweetener, and others said that it made the tea coming into your mouth cooler. Indeed, those who do not hold a piece of sugar in their mouth cool their tea by blowing air over it. In any case, I hope the Syrian case is unaffected by that other version of the story. As to Victor's points: 1. N Korea protesting the raid suggests it was nuclear. For the other opinion, the N Koreans have very few friends around the world (but Syria is one; they buy Korean missiles). Why should N Korea protest over anything bad that happens to total strangers? 2. The Korean ship turned out to be a Syrian ship carrying some load from Korea. But according to all opinions, the ship story is unrelated to the bombing since that installation was in place for years.

The unguarded structure already existed years before in its very same form as satellite images from 2003 prove (construction probably around 2001). It's embarrassing for Syria being hit; it's embarrassing for Israel not having hit anything of significance.

can one call u a zoubzob

Its an absolute shock to me that both Israeli and American intelligence didnt notify either of you two geniuses of its plans or their evidence!!! Imagine the all mighty and powerful Mark Lincoln with his self proclaimed knowledge of all things to all men not being kept in the loop!!! Oddly enough you two idiots can't seem to get the point that countries keep things secret for a good reason. The fact that you two don't have "real" information or knowledge, but make uneducated assumptions shows what idiots you are. Please spare us all your uninformed and certainly "unintelligent" opinions on Top Secret matters. After all you would probably need to disclose your intel on Haaretz just to boost your high opinions of yourselves.

I am sure the Israelis are not the jews of the past. Look at Massaada stroy and how the jews were free and died for their city in order to be the masters of their destination. Now Israelis are the tools in the hands of Caligula. It is even worse because they think they control Caligula the mad .. They are not aware that they are sacrifying their future in the region for ever...

Because you are convinced that the western media are independent all the time? let me laugh... I am living in western country and I know how thinks go with the press....

It is very laughingly to read this kind of israeli qualified bull shit. The israeli media change the subject from being an a very clear israeli agression against the syrian soil (which is the truth) to pretend that Syria have a nuke facility and Israel then took its RIGHT to destroy that facilty (which is totally false). Who gave you the right to launch such agression? Every body in the world know 2 things: 1- Israel have about 300 nuclear bomb (except the israelis) and refuses to desarm. 2-Israel is the residual state in the world that is build on discrimination and racial hatric. What you are writing on your media is based on a war propaganda which is known of every one.

"I believe Israel suspected that it was a nuclear site, but was not certain." - Tosefta A viable hypothesis. The square building did resemble a North Korean reactor building except in detail. Certainly the absence of the rest of the plant necessary and any security would cause pause to a careful analyst. "But perhaps one can explain to me why the IAEA was not informed either before or after the bombing in order to ascertain the truth?" - Tosefta Because the objective of the raid was to make the point that it could be done and not because there was any sound evidence of a reactor? "We can all maintain our previous positions until the Chelm Yeshiva comes up with a more definitive test." - Tosefta Typical of the Chelm to not think of a test. Time how long it takes to stir until the sugar dissolves. Stir a cup with no sugar for the same amount of time and drink. Much better to not question anything and remain a happy Chelm.

Still writing about this incident? Definitively, the Zionist controlled media is so desperate by inventing fairy tales about a dubious military operation. Pinocchio Syndrome is really contagious!

"MARK LINCOLN clearly a building in Syria was hit" - Peter SM I have read reports from "unnamed sources" that a building was hit. I scoured the photos for any evidence of an attack and could find none (that does not mean the building was not attacked). No post strike photos have been produced, and thus a BDA is impossible. There is no verifiable evidence anything was hit. The statements by Israeli and Syrian sources have been astoundingly contradictory and confusing. "Now did Israel just hit that building,considering the risks involved,for fun?" - Peter The biggest risk in attacking an undefended building is engine failure, and the F-15I has two very reliable engines.

Mark, you keep comparing what is known publicly about the facility targeted in Syria with *completed and operational* nuclear facilities around the world. Cooling towers, cooling ponds, etc. Perhaps those elements hadn't yet been constructed at the Syrian facility. All the stories so far have stated that the Syrian facility was in fact *nascent*, and not yet a threat. Which lead to the analysis that the strike was meant to degrade Syrian capabilities as well as send the appropriate signals to Korea and Iran. Now you may go back to your Klingon rhetoric -- the rest of us really are dealing with the real world.

Thank you for sharing your intel sources with us. So Israel just went out and forgot to look for fences (dang I hate when that happens). This is up there, with your insight from yesterday that Israel controls all the Gaza borders and still occupies it. Disclosure: We have identified General Lincoln a counter stupidity asset for the defense of Israel and are monitoring your posting to this site.

Thank you for sharing your intel sources with us. So Israel just went out and forgot to look for fences (dang I hate when that happens). This is up there, with your insight from yesterday that Israel controls all the Gaza borders and still occupies it. Disclosure: We have identified General Lincoln a counter stupidity asset for the defense of Israel and are monitoring your posting to this site.

perhaps he needed another little boot to kick your ass with

they denied they threatened, they hinted, they... did nothing.

"But perhaps one can explain to me why the IAEA was not informed either before or after the bombing in order to ascertain the truth? There are two explanations possible." Tosefta There might only be one explanation. That in Chelm the Yidn never put sugar into their tea at all. They placed a sugar lump into their mouths and drank the tea through it. Why then did the Yeshiva use the two examples quoted to find out what sweetens the tea? Only in Chelm.

the story alive.looks like your theories and predictions were just that,bullshit.you did say it wasn't a nuculear facility didn't you?

softie my grandfather sucked the tea through alump of sugar he held between his lips ! so your joke is as flat as matzo! the real clues 1. the screams tha came from n korea the day after their nuclear site was demolished! 2. the coincidence of hitting the site when the n korean ship arrived in syria a carrying "cement" and had changed its flag on the journey . anything that comes out of syria is alie even the time is changed before being reported !

They cant even trust their own army!!!!!! HA HA

In the famed Chelm Yeshiva they argued about what sweetens the tea; is it the sugar you put in it, or the stirring action after the sugar is in. For those who say that the sugar is the sweetener, it is clear why people stir; in order to get the sugar to dissolve fast. But for those who say that stirring is what sweetens the tea, why do we put sugar in? It is done in order for us to know how long to stir the tea! There are two opinions on the nature of the Syrian installation bombed by Israel. For those who say that it was some innocent place, it is clear why the Syrian military did not guard it; because there was nothing to guard. But for those who say that the place had a nuclear reactor in it, why wasn't the place gurded? In order to fool everyone into thinking that there was nothing to guard. We can all maintain our previous positions until the Chelm Yeshiva comes up with a more definitive test. P.S. As to myself, I never took a definite position. I believe Israel suspected that it was a nuclear site, but was not certain. Why should I be certain? But perhaps one can explain to me why the IAEA was not informed either before or after the bombing in order to ascertain the truth? There are two explanations possible. For those who say?

The lack of any security provisions whatsoever at the mystery site in Syria is explained! Not only that, but the absence from all photos of the cooling pits and industrial facilities necessary to store and process the Plutonium from the fuel rods it was using is explained by the same secret. The Syrians have entered into a secret treaty with the Klingons, and have acquired Klingon cloaking Devices, which were attached to all the other facilities except the "reactor." Dr. Abul Abbubu Amir has told reporters that 'highly placed sources" told him that the reason was that Syria ran out of the trade materials which the Klingons were demanding and no more cloaking devices were provided. "If Syria had just possessed a few thousand more bulls, we would have had enough excrement to satisfy them," the mystery source said, "but they would not accept cow crap, as they considered it inferior."

Take it up with Aviation Week - it is their story, not Israel's.

what was in the building?? Who knows. Now did Israel just hit that building,considering the risks involved,for fun?

Caligula was a roman empror who was a real criminal killing even his closest friends. He once obliged the senate to accept his horse as a senator. The new Caligula of our present time is the Bush

to the posters. Perhaps it's good that such people have a place to vent their spleens but sad that they need it .. Mike

not true, Washington needs Assad, a direct US military assault would place his rule in jeopardy, a chaotic scenario that would place US interests in even greater danger. the debate isn't over whether or not the site exists or existed, indeed it does or did, more so it was about how and who should deal with it both publicly and privately. the goal was to make it appear as a tiny procedure rather then a massive surgery, mission accomplished, kol hakivod ;-)

Johnboy even knows what goes on in the cocpits ofthe IAF

now,how bout kissing your masters ass,iran,like a good little puppet.

What a shame it would be to simply bomb an old empty warehouse. Howwever all the satelite images seem to point to a rather large complex similar in size and scope to those at pyongyang in N korea. Would it be that ISrael caught Syria flat footed after syria publicly stated it would have a "surpirse for ISrael". Was this surprise suipposed to be a nuclear bomb or reactor. if so, its rubble now. As for the Russian air defence syste, that cost 750 million. Perhaps Syria could demand a refund for specific non performance reasons. This whole bombing was a warning for Tehran. it tells them their air defence is worthless, and that they nuke program can be stopped or setback at will. The real question is this. will the mad mullahs be paying attention to the message instead of the messenger

now that israel has told syria their mistake syria should now be able to correct this next time.why would anybody tell the enemy their mistakes.brainless

The photos have caused peals of laughter amongst photo analysts world wide. Now excuses are being made. THERE WAS NO SECURITY of any type at the site. Not even a fence around it. The Bullshitters are Piling it Higher and Deeper to keep the story alive.

Yep, And the crew turned off the missiles, to save assad's money. Sure, the IDF pass trought syrian missiles defense, positoned for a possible war between syria and israel.

great work Israel keep it up!

besides an incestual, megalomaniacal emperor of Rome?

"How do you know that this wasn`t a carefully-planned leak?" (Y) Olmert's blabbing about the bomb was also a carefully-planned leak? No, Yonatan, the times of Israel's careful intelligence plannings is past. The only realistic alternative, today, unfortunately, is that Israel screwed-up the whole thing and invented this stupid "information" to cover-up its incompetence. I hope it's not that... Gullible, eh?

develop nuclear weapons against Israel is backed up by Iran, the same regional power that has developed Hizballah and now Hamas as its front troops on Israel's border. Syria is yet another element in the same network to finally wipe the Jewish state of Israel, a member state of the UN, off the map!

Well done Israel

Go and claim victory agianst Kissbollah. Big failures trying to restore old myths. Israel's army is Zubri.

about the facility. The whole story seems to me the typical employment program of the military/spy complex fueled by religiously fanatic "axis-of-evil" ideology.

Finally we will discover from Israelis that the north korean built the facility without the knowledge of the syrians....all this to explain that Israeli did a stupid action motivated by their stupid boss the "new Caligula". For those who do not know who is Caligula please ask me..

How do you know that this wasn't a carefully-planned leak?

Who were the "Israeli officials" who blabbed? When are we going to start punishing them (starting with Olmert who said we have the bomb) like America is doing?

there is certainly a hell of a lot of information coming out, and from diverse sources. Eventually we will know exactly what didn't exist and what wasn't bombed. Right Mark?