Report: Russia expects Israel-PA summit to yield fresh peace talks

The most ridiculous, vicious lie of the Arab proponents of the annihilation of Israel and the etermination of all Jews (and their lovers in Islamic Europe) propagate is theat Israel is apartheid. 20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs. Zero percent of Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and most other Arab run countries are Jewish. OK there are 60 token Jews in Iraq. Gaza has no Jews any more, at the wishes of the local Arabs. Jews in the west bank live in seperate townships- fo you think the local Arabs would accept Jews moving into the Arab towns. Ha. Of all the times that Arabs have been pushed into a seperaate stae in the mandate territory- 1937, 1947, 1949, 1967, 1973, 1993, 2000, they have refused violently. They have their lands, let them make even a weak start at creating a nation with an econoic basis on the back of the billions they have received (unfortunately most stolen for personal gain or poured into ragtag murderers).

essence says, no, Israel does not have the right to exist. How does he do it? Here, he was asked whether Israel, a member of the UN, has the right to exist, regardless of any other peoples or nations, simply yes or no. His response however says it all: "...both Israelis and Palestinians have the right to freedom and self-determination. THE RIGHTS OF ONE HOWEVER MUST NOT OVERRIDE THE RIGHTS OF ANOTHER." In other words, since Paulo thinks Israel's right presently does override the Palestinians' right, Israel does not have the right to exist, until and unless it doesn't override the Palestinians'. Paulo, did I understand your response? If so, why don't you just come out and say, no, at this point in time I don't accept Israel's right to exist? That would be in simple English that we all can understand since you seem we are all trully idiots as you have described so many of us here in your posts.

"published statements". Pals will get help in spite of US and zionists who keep moving the ball.

make distinction between Ashkenazis and Sephardic Jews in Israel? Are they treated the same. It would seem you are muddling race and religion here. Are zionists jews by blood? Are they in the bloodline of the Sephardic Jews. Where did all those colors come from?

be careful what you wish for. Here the US is pushing democracy and touting it, problem is that anti-US governments are being elected everywhere. There appears to be a shortage of western pimps for these countries. Perhaps they saw Saddam's fate once you become old, useless and not willing to say "yes" anymore. US sure looks foolish after Pals elected their gov't in a democratic election. Iraq will go the same way. Never ceases to amaze me how many times we can shoot ourselves in the foot. The toes are already missing!

unfortunately, I think what you post is the real deal. I don't think the war will be quite as distant as your post implies, but otherwise it appears right on the mark. Regards and keep blogging.

is "direct". Don't always believe what they say publicly. The Pals will get aid. Quite odd you would refer to welfare, of course, given how Pals are herded into a small portion of their own land, I would be surprised if they didn't need welfare. I'm surprised they have survived! What is Israel's excuse for her welfare check? Ah, yes, I know it's not welfare. You guys just use emphemisms for it, grants, loan guarantees; grants not repaid. Come on. People in glass houses should never throw stones. Regards.

"at this point"! Don't break out the champagne yet, but keep watching.

Funny how they overlook the obvious relevant points isn't it. Good post. Regards.

Will never Happen Unless Israel Returns Every Inch of Land TAKEN from Palestinians. Israel Should Know this by Now.

Austria is sending 300,000 handguns to Iran. Please add them to the list.

High horse? About English structure? As I recall, you attacked Hannah's sentence structure, and the FACT is that she is one of the most articulate posters on this blog, whether you agree with what she is saying or not. Nonagreement is an entirely different matter. What we have here is a difference of opinion, has nothing to do with who is better than who. What we argue about are guesses really, since nobody has a crystal ball. Your guess is as good as mine or anybody else's. However, I do agree with Hannah that the Pals will be funded. Who is right will reveal itself over time. No point in fighting about it. Whether they should be funded is another matter that perhaps avails itself to discussion. However, whether they will be funded is an empirical matter, and I believe they will. Watch the shifting alliances over the next month or two. Regards.

If Russia is sincere then it should stop giving or selling arms(and never be paid as usual) to Arab countries surrounding Israel. Is this talk for the gallery or is Russia coming to its senses?

maybe we should start arming russias enemies

Hey Terrornator; tell Lynn the whole story and not just half of it; be sure to tell her what you wrote that got you the response it did! I'm at work now, but if you have forgotten, I can certainly remember exactly what you said. Even today, you are talking about "pissing" and other untoward stuff, but what you said to me I was quite surprised was even published. However, since it was, I responded that your parents should have taught you better. As for the post you asked Lynn about, it wasn't in response to your post, that is why you did not understand it, but Lynn explained it pretty well. As far as the dogs, you challenged your dog on mine when you got frustrated and I told you Ballistic is an 80 pound male pit. Forget it; as I said, you can't be all bad if you liked Clinton. What I gave you in my post, you deserved. Move on and rant on as I see you are doing today! Regards.

"He is now 'Angela" - I have never taken on the persona of a woman. "I do not recognise the right of Israel to exist" - Its funny how people just make up statements that I am supposed to have said. The right of Israelis to exist is just as stark as the right of Palestinians to exist. Your problem is that you think the rights of the former override the rights of Palestinians. That is why you're a racist tool ! Idiot!

"This is what the Saudis offer! Iran's way is best!" - You do realise that with the formation of a unity government the Saudis will tranfer $1 billion to the new PA, enough to cover its bills for one year. "Iran is stronger...more legitimate amongst the people in the region" - Iran is Shi'a, 90% of the Muslims in the region are Sunni. So what were you saying about Iran's deal being the strongest, last time I checked it amounted to a mere $250 million. The EU actually gives more money to the PA than this despite a 'boycott'. Silly Americans.

"This is what the Saudis offer! Iran's way is best!" - You do realise that with the formation of a unity government the Saudis will tranfer $1 billion to the new PA, enough to cover its bills for one year. So what were you saying about Iran's deal being the strongest, last time I checked it amounted to a mere $250 million. The EU actually gives more money to the PA than this despite a 'boycott'. Silly Americans.

"Paulo is silent" - No I responded Haaretz just didnt publish it. Also if I am not responding to posts it could be because I am out enjoying a life. "Whether or not he thinks Israel has a right to exist" - Let me say it again for the stupid people, both Israelis and Palestinians have the right to freedom and self-determination. The rights of one however must not override the rights of another. I tried to keep my English simple so you'd understand. "As we say in Hebrew" - You also say to 'love thy neighbour' and dont you give that a chilling new meaning.

It won't work out at all. Just more subjugation of a Sunni populace.

So what do you have to say about the fools that signed the treaties with an X in Canada and the US.It was done the same way as it was done to the palestinians,at the end of a gun.And do not tell me it was all just one happy sit down.

Any good negotiation means both parties give up something and receive also. It can be win-win. Most Israelis will abide by the laws in Israel. Any citizen that does not is dealt with swiftly. When a strong unity government is serious they will enforce similar laws against terrorism in all forms. If they do not, it can only mean they do not want their own state alongside Israel; they only want Israel gone.

For all you people who say it is anti semetic to support the palestinian cause,get real.Do you support the indiginous groups in the americas.Yet you think you have the right to challenge our thoughts.Well you dont.Palestinians have a right to live were they once did.So get used to it.You may have the good old boys and the zionists in america to do your bull work,but it is still what it is,an occupation,that will start the mother of all wars.

things.i dont know if your remember or not,but i ask you to read a post she to me,regarding another one of my post.her response had absolutely nothing to do with the original post,of mine, she was responding to.actually it happen several times that day.by the end of the day she had me living canada,loving george bush,and jewish,which all are untrue.furthermore she attacked me,my parents,my house{which she said was a "trailer"},my mentality,and get this,even my dog,lol.she said her dog would whip my dog.how that for resonable,lynn?

to uncle sam are the taxes im talking about!i dont have a clue whats up with canadas taxes.anything else i can help you with?

I have noticed, he is now "Angela" who writes from "Switzerland", communicating with Anat about what he can not bring himself to say: I do recognize the right of Israel to exist.

What tax dollars are you talking about? Does Canada fund zionists? Last week Canada hosted an anti apartheid rally on behalf of Pals. So, what's up with those tax dollars.

Prior to the Russian revolution, there was a "Holy Man", who was very influential with the Russian Royalty, (the inciters of Pogroms against the Jews),his name was "RASPUTIN", commonly called the "Holy Devil". The present leader of Russian is "PUTIN", a devil in his own right.

If you think the problem between Israel and Pal are the reasons for tensions in the Middle East I have a bridge to sell you. THe Koran tells them to kill or convert all infidels.Infidels are non beiever of Allah. WAke up it is not about land. There can be no peace until they have slautered the Christan and Jews living in area.

Can we just wait until the new Gov is formed? So many jumping to conclusions on both sides of the issue. For a minute theee I thought they would start killing each other again. But, it looks as if they are working it out.

Yes I do support the Palestinian people, but they need to grow up, step up to the plate and realise that terrorism will not get them what they want. The Palestinians must realise that in return for support for a two state solution then they have to show that they are ready to have such a state. So I have decided that you can support the Palestinians in their quest for a state, but that they have to abide to international norms and standards in return for that support. A two way street. Instead of the one way street which was my previous response. I WILL continue to speak out against what I percieve as injustice perpertrated by the Israeli State as well. Israel also has responsibilities if it truly wants peace as well.

This is the big player Saudi Arabia? What do they get for the Pals, nothing! Iran is stronger, is more legitimate amonst the peoples in the region, and its way forward is much better. Saudi Arabia will just sustain the status quo, when will that nation be toppled?

Their stupidity, their ideological rigidity, are profound. Once again they have moved the world one step closer to disaster in the name of democracy. Iraq has been turned into a land of exile,death and destruction thanks to their vision and its implementation. Now Iran stands vulnerable to this neocon nightmare. Afghanistan? Well...bushy call for more troops. Like Israel he feels military can solve everything. Now, with this agreement to a unity government, brokered through the diligence of Saudi Arabia is shot down, as a terrrorist government. Abbas is weakend, the Palestinians seeth with yet another US kick in the face (combined with Nita Loweys little turn of the tap to cut off the $86million promised the Palestinians by bush), the Saudis are rebuffed for their efforts. But AIPAC is lovin it!

I am pleasantly surprised by what seems to be a new air of objectivity in your postings.

Anat has asked him twice in this forum whether or not he thinks Israel has a right to exist. The first time he evaded her question by attacking Israel and her personally. The second time he has made no answer. As we say in Hebrew, "Silence is like admission (of guilt)".

the regimes your talking about are nothing but criminals,enforcing their will on their people,allowing few human rights,and murdering at will.you dont want a fight with israel,one on one.you want to do it like you did in 67,everyone of you was going to attack israel.how did that work out for you,arab?lmfao

The Bush administration wants to spread democracy in the Middle East where they can pick and choose the winners, and when 75% of the population select a government to their dislike, they simply shun it. I wonder, when President Bush looks in the mirror, does he see one face or a two face hypocrite?

with Hamas in it. For 15 years, Hamas has stood on the outside and sniped at any signs of progress. Now for the first time they are part of government: they will have to do more than shout slogans, and actually get their hands dirty with the everyday compromises involved in day to day politics. For the first time they will have to become accountable for what they do. For the US to respond by refusing contacts shows we still have the mentality that somehow Hamas can be made to just go away. We can afford to have delusions like that because we don't live over there. But Israelis do, and Israel's best interest is in recognizing that as Hamas will always be there, it is better for Hamas to be grappling with the challenges of government than on the outside blowing up everyone else's efforts.

How does having a solid unified Palestinian people to make agreements with as opposed to two feuding faction make things more complicated?

arab you can continue to fight israel but your lifetime and your children's lifetime will be one of continued misery. Accept Israel and end the conflict and your life can change. But not for a minute do I not think you nor your"community" have the intelligence to change your ways. Enjoy your nothingness led by twisted men of allah who lead you only to violence. 60 years and you and your leadership and your religion of "peace" haven't even arrived at the starting gate of creating a functioning society. You're miserable existence has been created by yourself and the intrangience of your religion. Shi'ites and sunnis what loving neighbors but both muslims and both kill each other without conscience any where, any time...some religion of peace. time to reject IT

Read post #72. You assume I am against the formation of a Palestinian Gov. That is not the case. What I actually believe is the Palestinian people deserve better from their own government then they are presently getting. What has Hamas actually done to make the average Palestinian's life better? Has their quality of life improved? Have they worked to end this stalemate they have created? Running gun battles in the streets certainly don't make the citizenry safer. They have a lot to prove in this new Unity Government.

America needs to change its strategy and in the way it looks at the world. America should spend more time and resources toward building and maintaining good relationships with NON-Islamist countries. Winning the support of such countries around the world is imperative to counter the dark influences of the dark forces whose tentacles and petrodollars are all over the world crusading their evil ideology of hating Jews and Christians. As a brilliant scholar in Islamist-Jihadism, Mark A. Gabriel, PhD, states in his MUST READ book, "Islam and Terrorism," "Jihad is carried out in order to achieve the ultimate goal of Islam--to establish Islamic authority over the whole world. Islam is not just a religion; it is a government, too. That is why it always gets down to politics. Islam teaches that Allah is the only authority; therefore, political systems must be based on Allah's teaching and nothing else." (p.37). It is time America and the West wake up and counter the dark forces.

I agree. I think too many people are making too many assumptions at this point in time. At least the two factions aren't shooting up the Gaza for now and killing all sorts of bystanders. Some of the goings on reminded me of the Blood and the Crips shooting it out in LA. Political Parties shouldn't act like gang bangers.

If the Saudis want to bankroll the Pals that is their business. But, according to published statements the Quartet will not be sending funds until the three points are met. 1. recognize Israel 2. denounce violence,ie suiciders and qassams. 3. recognize past agreements between the PA and Israel. What is the problem? I agree with all of those points. As for the Saudis, they have promised funding before and it just didn't happen.

And build the fence/wall on the Green Line not inside the West Bank. Read about the fence here http://gush-shalom.org/thewall/thewall.pdf Also leave the Jordan Valley. It's a border between the Palestinians and Jordan not Israel and the Palestinians. And why do you want to take the WHOLE Jordan Valley (1/3 of West Bank) as a security buffer?! And you want to build settlements in the security buffer? What kind of security buffer is this when settlements are built there? Soon you'll ask for a new security buffer for this security buffer. In the past you said you want that as a security buffer against Saddam. That excuse is gone. So why now? Given that no weapons can be smuggled through Jordan. And if you take all of the Jordan Valley or any part of it, give the Palestinians an equal area (in quality and quantity) from Israel. When you add up what the wall is annexing and the Jordan Valley, what's left for a Pales state and what water resources and fertile land are left? Solution: 1 state

Also Israel does not recognize Palestine or a fully independent Palestinian state on 1967 borders. Israel even removed the Green Line from its maps and did everything possible through settlements, confiscation of land, water, natural reserves, and the Jordan Valley, Jewish-only roads, isolation of the Jordan Valley (1/3 of West Bank), preventing Palestinians from accessing the Jordan River and the Dead Sea, isolating Gaza from West Bank and cities in West Bank from each other and from their villages to make sure there will never be a viable fully independent Palestinian state that can survive. Most of those obstacles were created by Israel when there was no Palestinian violence. Also Israel which was founded with violence, terror, and destruction of Palestinian communities (hundreds of them) never renounced violence.

What peace efforts Rice is talking about? In fact the US and Israel are creating all of those obstacles to make sure there will never be a peace process. And if Rice wasn't able to force Israel to honor (according to the UN, Israel never implemented any point of the agreement) the border crossing agreement signed in December 2005 with her presence, what's the value of any agreement? Why doesn't Rice ask Israel to abide by the three conditions of the so called Quartet? Israel didn't accept the Road Map (accepted it with 14 reservations which is the same as rejection 14 times). Israel didn't abide by UN resolutions, international law, and decisions of the International Court of Justice. Israeli politicians such as Natanyahu, Sharon, Olmert, and Lieberman didn't accept Oslo accords. (But they were not boycotted by the West; on the contrary the West including Americans and Solana rushed to meet Lieberman who also calls for the transfer of Israeli Arabs.)

Is it not so that peace will complicate US interferance in the ME?

LET US KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS INTERNATIONAL LAW WHERE YOU CAN BUY ACOPY OF THE CODE ?? WHICH LAWYERS PRACTISE IN THIS COURT ?? WHERE THIS COURT IS SITUATED ?? WHO ENFORCES ITS HELD DECISIONS ?? WHERE YOU CAN APPEAL .

until PA government is formed and its policies clear.

While I can't agree the state is illegal, your post can at least be seen as relatively measured and intelligent. The problem is that Hamas (which will never sign on to a real peace)is a political tool of other nations, whose agenda does not include peace. EVERYBODY knows what a final peace is supposed to look like (Clinton plan 2000) but nobody in the authoritative Palestinian "leadership" will publicly sign on. Had Hamas agreed to "recognition" the pressure on Israel to end this century-old nonsense would be unbearable, we could bang down the final deal and we could all go on with our lives FINALLY.

I read your posts with pleasure. OK, I am partial, I like opinions similar to mine. Yet, I doubt we represent a majority, considering the huge number of extremists on boths right and left. Among your posts, what you said to Hannah is also an obvious common sense truth: had, should, the Palestinians have taken what they were given and developed a normal state, a lot of additional things they want, and are feasible, would become available to them, naturally, as we live together in a small place. But, they talk and act like Hannah, and that way they condemned themselves to permanent misery. In addition, they act(ed) stupidly as idiot pawns and cannon fodder for the ambitions of grand standers like Nasser, Arafat, Sadam, Nasrallah, Ahmadinejad, etc. Always destructives, never constructives.

the destruction of Israël. This goal has never changed. Between 1948 and 1967, thousands of terrorist attacks from Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Gaza, etc.......

Untill Hamas recognizes the right of Israel to exist, and stops getting support from Iran, I see no reason why the US should give Abbas and Fatah the 86 million we promised them. Fatah is showing bad faith by spurning US help, and entering into a deal with a group of people who could care less about innocent Palestinians or a Palestinian state. Untill Hamas changes their ways, or is destroyed once and for all, Israel and the Palestinians will alwys be at each other's throats, and Iran will continue to meddle in Palestinian affairs.

"you should know if it was one on one we palestinians are quite capable of taking care of this ZIONIST ENTITY " Arab,what a joke, "capable of taking on Israel one on one". You can't even decide who to lead you and you talk about taking on Israel"one on one". And by way there are over 200 million arabs surrounding Israel's 7 million ,that's not one on one,that almost 30 to 1. Shame on you!!!!

US, the body guard protecting the Occupier Israel. UN Security Council adopted unanimously Resolution 242 on November 22, 1967 under Chapter VI of the UN Charter. The resolution by its text was tricky written by Lord Caradon of the 1st baby setter the founder of Israel through Mandating Palestine during 1918 – 1948 and since then the 2nd baby setter of Israel took responsibility. All Arab countries must cancel their recognition of Israel until anew bilateral recognition of two states along the Green Line of 4 June1967 of "Palestine and Israeli States" with a total withdrawal from all the occupied areas within 3 months time table, no single square inch to remain under Israeli occupation, the Palestinian refugees right of return to their property and land, with Jerusalem as the Capital of Palestine along the Armistice line and free passage to the Holy Places and passage by land and air between Gaza and the West Bank is guaranteed. This is the possible solution to be a final just Peace.

They are your "pipedreams." You have no understanding or knowledge of Jewish history. Your racist differentiation between Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews is baseless. Israel is the homeland of all Jews, and you better get used to the idea.

Will Haniyeh accept Dahlan as his deputy? If he does then this will be an "interesting " unity government. Will these leaders humble themselves for the sake of the pals? Wait and see!!!!!!

you should know if it was one on one we palestinians are quite capable of taking care of this ZIONIST ENTITY but it is the big brother. the moraly corrupt usa, that is dominating submissive world regimes including arab regimes. still i can assure all freedom lovers all over we will not rest until palestine is liberated from the last zionist. we will cry, we are humans, we are hurt BUT WE can take care of our wounds, just take the big satan out of this fight. and it will be resolved, still, thanks to IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN AND MORE these will cripple this tyrant, hopefully sooner than the optimists think.then.. U guess the rest.

Before the zionists put their heavy boots down and crushed the Palestinians, Palestine was a homeland to both Arabs and Sephardic Jews. There was a difference between those Sephardim and the white, blond Ashkenazi 'Jews' who came tromping in, post WWII. Now we have a racist culture, governed by those Jews-who-are-not-Jews, who cause trouble not only in Palestine, but also world-wide. I would like to see Palestinians and Jews (you note that I did not say 'zionists') living side-by-side as they always have done. However, I do believe that there are heavier foot prints out there. Whoever is running the Askenazim in both Washington and Tel Aviv would have to be soundly defeated before there is any hope of solution; two-state or one. When this comprador zionist mentality is destroyed, then, possibly, there is a possibility of peace. There is no way that the land of the Palestinians can be divided; however, with good-will and decency, it can be shared. These are merely my own pipe-dreams.

a week.you were so busy accusing me of liking bush,being a jew,and from canada,you evidently didnt seem to notice.it is amazing we can agree on something,small world,ain't it!

Yes, we who stand for justice do indeed miss each other. As you know, I'm travelling, and am on the road. However, at the same time, I have a tender heart, and these posts sometimes make me feel as though I have gone through a meatgrinder run by aliens from some other planet. From time to time, I have to take a break from it, because I feel that I am covered in zionist twigsmear. I am so glad for you and the others here: Clickfool, Marilyn, you, Ballistic, et al. Why is the idea of justice so hard for zionists to see? Jews, through all the ages, have stood for justice against injustice and, now, suddenly we have a shift: Jews who call themselves zionists have suddenly become like the brownshirts of yore. I find it all very depressing. Is there not more to learn from Auschwitz than how to oppress and, finally, to exterminate others? Love to you and to all seekers of truth and justice, Hannah.

Tossing Arafat out Arafat out on his rear from the Lincoln Center. Kudos Rudy!!

"any bullet fired at solders/settlers anywhere is perfectly legit" Targeting "settlers" who are civilians, is immoral. Offering this advice certainly won't "clean up" the Palestinian's image. Murdering and Abducting Israeli soldiers was an act of war, an act that bore serious consequences. And you should have listened to all the collective Palestinian whining when Israel responded in Gaza after the Palestinians decided to go to war against Israel. So this might not be the wisest of advice to offer them either. In choosing to launch a war against Israel, who suffered the greatest of casaulties? Gazans or Israelis?

"Hamas is the democratically elected government of the Palestinians. It should be recognized as such." What does recognition have to do with the fact of whether or not such a terrorist group receive Western aid that will be used to fund terrorist activities? Why do you demand the Palestinian terrorist government be recognized, but not make the demands of Hamas to recognize, Israel, a sovereign country?

So long as there are extremist Muslim regimes, there can be no peace. Israel needs to take the offensive and dig in for the long haul. Nuclear weapons in the hands of Arabs /Parsis /Ismaic tyrants cannot be toleraed.

least 5 times better than anyone else in here,especially since all it takes in your eyes, is proper edict and spelling.nobody in here cares how articulate you and hannah think you are.what we care about are facts.fact one,the only thing accomplished at the summit is hamas and fatah agreeded to not shoot each other in the streets.fact two,the unity gov has yet to be formed.fact three,hamas isnt willing to stop terrorism,recognize israel,or honor past treaties signed by the pals.so tell me,what has changed?your slipping a little tonight ballestic,arent you going to attack my family,where i live,or my mentality?remember this,if aid does come to the pals ,it wont be a blank check like their wanting,it will me food and medicine.thats a far cry from lifting the freeze,dont you think.it will be enough for them to declare a victory,however,it dont take much for that.saving face is the only determining factor,in the pals eyes.

You the man. Perfectly stated. Fair and articulate. I would want to see responses to your correspondence from Hannah, Dutch, Raymond Wright, and Clickfool. At the very least, the info stated is a starting point in a dialogue. Independence and dignity to the Palestinians. But stop the suicide bombings (so many attempts are caught and not publicized). Stop the Kassams. Say clearly in Arabic and English that the Palestinians do not want the eradication of the Jewish State. This will bring a spirit of reconciliation. Both sides have valid points. You make peace with your enemies-not with your friends.

You like Clinton? I thought that is what I got from your post, and that you dislike Bush? If that is what you said and meant, imagine that, we DO have something in common. Loved Clinton!

What does the U.S. gain by making this kind of pronouncement on the eve of the meeting between Rice, Abbas and Olmert - why didn't they wait until after the weekend to make their announcement? To ask the question is to answer it - at Israel's bidding, the U.S. is guaranteeing that any prospect of a starting-point for peace negotiations in the future will fail. There will never be a settlement as long as the idiot Bush is president.

Hamas is the democratically elected government of the Palestinians. It should be recognized as such. Israel is a brutal, racist state. Israel is an apartheid regime. The US should not support it. It is Israel, not Hamas which should be boycotted. Israel which awards rights to its citizens based upon their religion and ethnicity can only be defined as racist and backward. The irony in all of this is that those 'neocons' in the US state department who push these policies are not doing Israel any favors. These policies make fair minded people have nothing but contempt for Israelis and their shrills in the US state department.

read many of these posts where posters feel like they are running the world! Many see no problems with warmongering and fail to see storm clouds gathering with shifting alliances not in the zionists favor. What causes that in your opinion? I told Maureen I have a gut feeling something terrible is gonna happen not at all in keeping with anything remotely similar to what these posters are blathering about. Missed your posts over the last few days. Very best regards.

I'm impressed, Giuliani will make bush look like an angel, good luck.

hamas is true to form. They adhere to their principles whether they are good for the palestinians or just their organization. they are not any better for Israel except everyone really know where they stand. they oppose the state of israel and are committed to its destruction. Israel should in kind respond and be committed to destroying hamas and everyone else that threatens its existence

and enjoyed and agreed with it. Regards.

what you are saying to Hannah? Shake your head a few times and join the world in reality. Clue: look at the last several UN votes regarding Israel, so what are you talking about! Don't flatter yourself with your own opinion. Wait and see.

watch closely and see! The US will give them funds and other funds will come from other countries. Who do you think is in charge of what is going on, you, Olmert? Afraid neither--think Saudi and Bush and BINGO! You hit the jackpot! Why are you and others so apparently gleeful at the thought that the Pals can't get it together? Is it to buy time to squat on more land or what? Most of these posters don't want peace if you read their posts; they are hoping for a catastrophe, however, man plans and god plans. We will see who is right shortly. Regards.

Er, Hannah uses complete sentences and very proper English form, one of the most articulate on the post! What are you talking about, the commas she uses to offset things properly! I do agree with her that the Pals will get aid from the int'l community because it is very clear the US/Israel are doing the okey doke to delay the inevitable; it is very plain! Regards anyway.

I believe that Plato was the first to be given credit for the quote "only the dead will no long experience war", which is obviously proof that the palestinians have been around for 2500 years, cause he's gotta be talking about them.

"any bullet fired at solders/settlers anywhere is perfectly legit" Targeting "settlers" who are civilians, is immoral. Offering this advice certainly won't "clean up" the Palestinian's image. Murdering and Abducting Israeli soldiers was an act of war, an act that bore serious consequences. And you should have listened to all the collective Palestinian whining when Israel responded in Gaza after the Palestinians decided to go to war against Israel. So this might not be the wisest of advice to offer them either. In choosing to launch a war against Israel, who suffered the greatest of casaulties? Gazans or Israelis?

What the 2-state solution (the International Consensus for solving the conflict) would look like: The Geneva Initiative or Saudi Plan 1.agreed border based on the Green Line but with swaps of equitable territory in a way that trades some Israeli land for allowing some settlements to remain which do not break up the West Bank into separate areas (Bush himself said West Bank should end up territorially contiguous) 2.shared Jerusalem along the lines of Clinton's parameters 3. Palestinian refugees from today's Israel granted principle of right of return but for the sake of peace treaty instead agree to receive compensation to re-settle in new Palestinian state or third countries. Likewise for Jewish refugees of Arab countries. 4. mutual recognition Were the new PA government to endorse such an idea and renounce terrorism, which is a gross violation of international law (and truly act to prevent it) the war and the occupation could both end. They should.

"At this point I don`t even believe they even want a state." Hamas has no interest in a Palestinian state, nor are they interested in the well being of their people. Otherwise they'd accept the conditions of the international community.

Yes, and it would be interesting to interview ordinary Russian citizens and inquire as to how much Russian aid and support should go to Palestinian terrorist groups.

is israel and her master the US promising the creation of a free from meddling palestine on 67 borders in exchange of recognizion of israel and renunciation of even self defence from pal government? No. Israel and the us dont want peace, Us want to rebuild the middle east with help from israel who in exchange is allowed to eliminate pal in the OT and inside isarel. No point asking for a series of indian reservations, palestinians should ask for ONE COUNTRY for both pal and jews. The land belongs now to both of them. come on guys, the united states of israel and palestine!

"Still - only a year and a bit before the biggest bonehead in America history is turfed out of the White House" Clickfool, I can't wait! I imagine, we will be dancing in the streets and on rooftops--throwing candy to people passing by. I can't wait! You too? Dutch

The United States and its European lap-dogs continue with an ineffective blockade over the Palestinian people, which does nothing but subvert the democratic process, implement collective punishment over Palestinian civilians, and contribute to their well founded distrust of Westerners. I've written earlier that the supposed hardlining of the Hamas reflects the relevance and critical nature of refugee rights, and how Israel by its ethnocratic definition is in violation of them. The irony is, its invitation into the United Nations was conditional on its acceptance of SCR 194, which makes imperative there compensation and full repatriation, resettelment, and socioeconomic rehabilitation. Where are the sanctions? When will Israel's seat in the GC be revaluated?

welcome Rice and beware of greeks bearing gifts?

Dont think I am gone. I am back, and back for a while. YOu people only understand one thing, and one thing only: Force.

Well, of course, one cannot take into account the economic situation of the Palestinians, as all, from land to water to international trade possibilities, has been stolen from them. I'm not interested in comparing the two. However, my question was and remains: How tied into the US economic situation is so-called Israel? For example, if the US debt were to be called in, hypothetically of course, and if one minused the amount of US aid, what then would happen to the economy of the zionist entity? Please try to answer this question honestly, and without rah-rah Israel stuff: I'm seriously curious. Regards, Hannah. PS: And, contrary to your snotty comments, I AM interested in debate ('debate' meaning an honest and truthful exchange of opinion, backed up by facts), and I'm very much less interested in ad hominem attacks back and forth. There surely must be something which we can learn from one another. Regards, Hannah.

Pals boycotting the US ? -:) I can't even start to imagine how that would look like ? they'd spit in a sand in the direction of the US or would stop harvesting those 3 olive trees that they have ? or perhaps refuse to accept the US welfare checks ? -:) dude - you really made my day - all this miserable weather up north here doesn't look so bad now -:)

Dutch Dirk, Well Said! The Palestinians should boycott the Jerusalem summit unless the Israelis agree to discuss fundamental differences between them. Enough of this horse and pony show from Israel. Next, we will be in the streets demanding that Congress cut off their foreign aid until they deliver a peace agreement. Dutch

Just to finish up. In a best case scenario, 2 Independent States in a USA/Canada model sounds good. There has to be some kind of amnesty. No more suicide bombers, no more Israeli arrogance to Palestinian needs and Palestinian dignity. A Martin Luther King approach will convince Israelis that the Palestinians simply want a fair and balanced solution. The suicide bombers and Kassams have hurt the Palestinian cause. I want colleges in the P

The United States should demand the same conditions from Israel as it does from the Palestinians. They should demand that Israel 1)renounce violence, 2) recognize the Palestinians right to exist, and 3) accept interim peace accords. Both sides claim to want a secure, long lasting peace. However, the Palestinians also want a 'just' peace, something that the Israeli government resists. Without justice, there cannot be a true peace.

The #1 lesson of the Holocaust was that the Jews should have a country-a sanctuary for possible future extermination (happened once so it is a real issue). It was implied in 1947 that there should be a Jewish country and a Palestinian country, too. Frankly, it is not relevent who was the evil party in 1947. The pie should be shared. Barak's offer was a good starting point. Sensitivity and unique arrangements for the holy sites in Jerusalem is a must. Regarding the Settlements-is it realistic or fair to evacuate 300,000 people? If Arabs live in Israel, why can't Jews live in Arab Palestine? You may answer that they are living on Palestinian land. They all should go? I agree that the Palestinian "islands" on the West Bank should be rejected. In the peace negotiations, a roadway was built from the West B

Investment money is coming in in every currency imaginable. The value of the shekel is based on the linked to the dollar, as are the currencies of many other countries.What on earth does that prove? or disprove? What would it mean otherwise if based on the Euro - which has only been in existence for less than 10 years?

peace.you know and i know that if a palestinian would say something,anything positive about israel,they would be killed.for gods sake man,they teach their youngest children in churchs,or mosque in their case,how to hate israelis and westeners.you cant reason with that kind of hate!

"He meets with IslamoFacists" - Whats are IslamoFacists? Are they a bit like the people of Israel who believe that the land they illegally occupy has been given to them by their god and the Palestinians have no right to it. "Do you know a Nadia from Lisbon?" - No.

The new government of Arabs have such a rich culture of Hating. The should win the Nobel Prize for creating the suicide belt. They remind me of children who when they cannot get everything they want, they do tantrums. Unfortunaltely these tantrums take other people with them; and yet their religion sanctions this behaviour.

blame on clinton.i cant wait until bush is gone and 7 years after hes gone the dems can still blame him for all their screw ups,how about your buddy regan ,he gave arms to iran in exchange for hostages.regan also gave saddam almost all his military equipment.regan and old man bush gave bin laden military assistance at one point in afganistan.can you say stinger missles,bill?now,exactly what were you saying about clinton?

hamas,fatah,or islamic jihad,its all the fu88ing same,your still dead.all i ask for from you is a list of things or a thing the pals have done towards the roadmap.i can see why you avoided the question and immediately resorted to the name calling,since you have nothing to put on the list.another thing,where do you get calling me a zionist and how about you explaining exactly how im a zionist?im not jewish,im not from israel,and come to think of it i dont even know anyone jewish!.what i am is against terrorism from radical muslims,are you one of those ,fool?next time ,why dont you actually refer to something in my post#73 or 75 instead of your name calling,it makes you look rather childish!

This country realises a joint terrorists government will bring nothing good.

"Mohammed also signed a peace agreement with the Koreish tribe, which was stronger. However, when the tribe was no longer stronger, Mohammed massacred them all" The Koreishim (quraysh) were not newborn saints. Mohammed himself acted mostly nobly, very similarly to Jesus, and tried to guide the poor and clueless desert people to a normal civilization. His followers took his messages all too seriously and became bogged down with theological orthodoxy. Stay openminded, and have a reasonable doubt on all revelations, Jewish, Christian and Muslim ones. Be secular if you can.

Tell me something: Is the zionist currency based upon the US dollar or upon the European euro? The answer to that question will, in and of itself, make my point clear. Regards, Hannah.

Yeah, yeah; I know how difficult it is for South Africa these days. However, it is significant that South Africa, the land of the former apartheid system, has come out in this way, and at this time. What I am asking you to do is to just put your finger in the air and see which way the wind is blowing. After the US debacles in Iraq/Afghanistan, still moving quickly towards to their logical conclusions, we can now all see how isolated the USofA has become in the world. Did you perhaps listen to Putin's anti-American speech in the last few days? Do you agree with me that both the USofA and so-called Israel are extremely unpopular in world-wide opinion? In these times, do you expect that the current 'diet' of the Palestinians will continue for much longer? I ask you these questions, in order that you might understand the progressions of thought which I have gone through in order to come to my simple little conclusion. Please do tell me where you agree and/or differ. Regards, Hannah.

If you think that all Israel has to do is stop occupying (which was forced upon Israel during the 6 day war) the, so-called, Palestinians land and all will be fine and dandy, you all have short memories..please explain the following: The PLO which stands for Palestine Liberation Organization was founded in 1964. Can you please expalin to me exactly what this organization was trying to Liberate in 1964, considering the fact that the Occupation (forced on Israel during 6 day war) did not begin until 1967?????? PLEASE, ANYONE EXPLAIN THIS?????

Howdy Hannah; How's this for a debate. Israel has a GDP of $153 billion/yr. and receives about $3 billion/yr. from the U.S. (about $1.8 billion is military aid which must be spent in the U.S. and the other $1.2 billion is economic aid). For comparison, the combined GDP of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip is slightly over $2 billion/yr. and the foreign aid (up until recently) to the PA from external sources amounts to $2 billion/yr. How can you compare a country like Israel whose foreign aid amounts to less than 2% of her income to the Palestinian Territories whose foreign aid amounts to 50% of its income?

This is a common thread for all wanting to deligitimize Israel. Doing so they insult all other occupied peoples in the world like for example the Tibetans, the Kurds etc....

You were offered a state in 48 you rejected it and choice what you know best and that is violence. You were rejected and used by the entire arab world. You were offered a state by bill clinton in 2000, guess what, you chose violence again..Go cry to somebody who may care.

“Palestine is the only illegally occupied country in the world…”What kind of legalized weed are you smoking in Amsterdam to come up with this stuff ? Let me clue in: there is no such a country at present named Palestine. There has never been a country called Palestine in the history of mankind. And the way things look at present the likelihood of a new country named Palestine being formed any time soon is more remote than ever.

When are these people going to wake up and realize they dont have a friend in the US. they never had a friend in the US. the US will and always has worked in favor of Israel who ever doesn?t see that is a blind man! they way i see it, the pals just need to clean up thier fight against their occupiers. go after solders and settlers, leave the civilians in tel aviv alone. the world will respect you more and your struggle will be legit. Hamas proved its self with the operation and capture of shalit. Great Job. Why Israel calls this a terror act is beyond me. it was an attack on an army base from your enemy the Palestinians. any bullet fired at solders/settlers anywhere is perfectly legit. any bullet fired on unarmed civilians eating a meal is called terror. they should continue the struggle, cuz they have no friends in the world.

A sufficient amount of food and medicine has to get into Gaza and the West bank if we are to avoid the terrorists gaining further and further control over those Palestinians who do genuinely want peace.

This has nothing to do with anything political. It is simply a desire to kill the Jews. I would think that a person from holland(a once beautiful country that is now filthy and looks more like cairo than amsterdam), would realize this

Very surprisingly I find myself agreeing with your posts. For the second one, though, we all can find guilt in our countries behaviors. Great Britain has a lot of responsibility in the ME mess, one example is the artificial creation of Jordan (trans jordan at the time0 in 1921, aputating the mandate palestine from a huge chunk of its territory. The shame of the Dutch in Srebrenica is a bit different as it happened in 1995, in our times when some of its citizens (like the Murray guy) arrogantly give moral lessons on these talkbacks.

Nice going Bill Clinton ,Now those 40000 M-16S ect. you gave to the PA ended up in the posession Hamas.One of the nastiest terror organizations in the world.Nice going Bill and Ehud

America is not a morally confused nation. Terrorist are terrorist. There WILL Never be a palestian state untill they halt there culture of hatred, violence and evil(don't hold your breath). At this point I don't even believe they even want a state. They simply want to destroy Israel

Good...we have a point of agreement: I too want no one to suffer; neither zionist nor Palestinian. Tell me, please, why you believe in the 2-state solution? I used to feel that way as well; however, I no longer see how that could ever possibly happen. I look forward to an honest and respectful discussion with you on this point. Regards, Hannah.

many times people try to act dumb, otherwise they prove so, the problem is when that action is adopted by the doers as the real thing. this is what happens to occupiers of palestine when they want to believe that a helpless palestinian who build zionist colonies in the west bank as an accepting person to the status quo. what dumbness is this???

Hamas - even now, and in spite of all the provocations from Israel - has been remarkable in its adherence to the ceasefire. The acts of violence against Israel have all come from Islamic Jihad, an arm of Israel's favourite party of government, Fatah. You Zionists are too stupid to see of the two parties, Hamas are an infinitely better bet as a partner for peace. YES - a partner for peace, given half the chance and some goodwill from Israel.

I hardly think over $ 500 million in foreign investments in one month (January) represents welfare checks. Yesterday the TA stock exchange index hit an all-time high. More and more international corporations are moving their R&d brain centers to Israel and thousands of apartments sold last years were purchased by foreigners. Our hotels are mostly full most of the time and international corporations are buuying out Israeli hi-tech companies by the load, leaving billions of dolalrs here. Hardly sounds like welfare checks to me. But don't let this put a dent in your dull, delusional brain.

"The United States will boycott all Palestinian unity government ministers, including non-Hamas members, unless international demands on policy towards Israel are met" Futile for the US, futile for Israel and futile for the PA all the efforts of the last few months. But peace will still have to be tackled at some point. Postponing that point yet again means that Gilad Shalit's parents continue to wait in trepidation and the PA and Israel continue to flounder. Bravo to all.

So now South Africa is your new yardstick. Do you know what is happening in South Africa? Doyou know of the racism of Black South Africans to ward the zimbabwians who are trying deperately to cross over the border to escape the madman Mugabe, Africa's own Aminajihad, but who are regarded as taking away the jobs of the locals. Have you heard of thir treatment of the Sudanese who have come to run the drug trafficking there? Of the SA President who denies the connection between HIV and Aids becasue he doesn't want to fund medication? So now they are proposing a boycott on Israel. They, and you, are laughable.

to come down".sooooooo,what has south africa got to do with the embargo,how much have they contributed to the pals?in reguards to the embargo being lifted,dream on baby

and will not show a weak stance on terror to the Chechneyans.

I can only hope that they come to some agreement and the "bribe" of 1 billion from the Saudis should be a good reason to do so. LOL! Maybe the "ugly MOM", Mrs. Assafat can be persuaded to give the millions back that Mr. Assafat stole from you.

Dumb and Dumber and Broke!

killing each other for a few months,then,even though they are terrorist,the world and israel will be forced to negotiate with them.no wonder you and your people like suffering so much with a mentality like that! god help the civilized world.

I believe the Palestinians should have their own country. The issue of Palestinian dignity is important. They have suffered. A 2 State solution negotiated peacefully sounds reasonable. My point previously was that even if the original Zionists were from Europe-and had no business usurping Arab land-they had children. And their children had children. These native born Israelis-though the residue of the European imperialist Zionists (I am not a census taker, so how many I do not know)only have one country and one passport. Do you advocate that they should in turn suffer like the Palestinians? Is that reasonable? How about a fair 2 State solution. Peace.

"Moscow would only cooperate with the new government if it accepts the Quartet's demands." Good for Russia! Nice to know they won't fund the Palestinians as long as they believe terrorism is an acceptable negotiation tactic. Guess they still remember Beslan.

Just exactly how many millions only have an Israeli passport? I'd be very interested in knowing. I'd appreciate it if you would hold the Palestinians holding an Israeli passport separate, although I'm of course interested in knowing their numbers as well. Thanks in advance for any particulars you can supply on this subject which you cite so authoritively.. And, of course, it goes without saying that I wish no one being pushed into the sea. Regards, Hannah.

When one talks about 'welfare cheques', one only has to look at so-called Israel, the greatest receptor of welfare on the planet today. As for the rest of your post, what do you or do you not agree with in my post? Are we just left betting on our favourites? Are you incapable of debate? Regards, Hannah.

Wait and see. You will not have to wait very long. As a matter of fact, just today, South Africa said that it is time for the embargo to come down. Regards, Hannah.

I'm not restricting myself to this one particular article: rather, I'm reading the writing on the wall. Time will tell. Regards, Hannah.

If the Palestinian unity goverment works for few months, then Olmert, Pertz and Peres can not survive without negotiating for a political settlement. Once the sweet daughter negotiates, the ugly MOM will say "Yes, my sweet daughter" That is what happened in 1991/1992. Arafat was a "terorist", but after Israel realized there is no way without negotiating with him, he became the best boy friend of Madeleine Albright.

So Abbas has appointed Haniyeh, the Hamas leader who has stepped down, to form a new government. Is the civilized world really that dumb? Does the world really think Haniyeh will avoid appointing more of his terrorist buddies? And on the subject of this new farce called the coalition government, they still will not recognize Israel or renounce violence. And yet, they are expecting the welfare faucet to turn back on. Who are they kidding? Who is in charge there? This whole thing is a 3-ring circus that will end in more Muslim violence and no progress. So far, there's nothing here that's useful to the Israelis. And the last time I checked, losers of wars (Palis in this case) do not dictate the terms.

At least you are honest. You hate the State of Israel. You do not hide it. Everything Israel does is bad, they're terrorists, and kill Palestinians when it is unprovoked, and unjustified. Everything the Palestinians do is right, they're Freedom Fighters, and they are entitled to kill Israelis-or should I say Zionists. The problem is-jackass-that you lose credibility. At least Clickfool and others will admit suicide bombing is wrong (but justified of course), and that a total retreat to the pre-1967 War borders will suffice (which I don't believe). For you, Israel simply should not be there. Even if the original Zionists are from Europe, millions of Israelis only have an Israeli passport. Where do they go? Into the sea hopefully, right?

"PA is a murderious conspiracy led by the Saudis". You forgot to add "and little green men from Mars".

Again we see the Neoconservative influence that gave you a Hamas government by insisting on elections.

This is bad news for Israel. The EU and Russia will now break with the US and end the Quartet. The EU should now restore aid to Palestine and, increasingly, the Arab world and Iran will step in too to fund them and eventually find ways to arm them. If the US will not talk to any of the parties directly opposed to Israel they will have no influence with them. The slim chance for peace - based on the 67 borders - will pass by. It means war on all fronts for Israel into the distant future. But maybe that is preferable to the civil was which would erupt if a weak government tried to move the settlers back to the 67 border. Democracy means division and vacillation. You need a strongman at home or a strong US to force you back to the 67 borders. Without either you will go on bickering until the solution is forced on you by the Arabs and world weariness.

Howdy Hannah; I'm afraid that your opinion of Israel and the U.S. is not shared in "the greater world" except by tyrannical regimes like Iran, North Korea, and Venezuela. The Quartet will not resume direct financial aid to the PA until after it agrees to the three conditions as specified in the article. Choke on it! If the PA gets anything, it will have to come from the Persians and Arabs who are not very dependable when it comes to monthly welfare checks. The U.S. will eventually decline in influence as did the Roman and British Empires, but we have a long way to go before that happens and the Middle East will run out of oil a lot sooner than that.

"... Hamas` stated goal ..." has alot more hasbara then fact. Israel is a reality. Israel will be a reality. That from Khalid Mesha'al - Reuters A long term truce can be arranged with Israel and the Green Line state of Palestine. It will require a review of the Charter by a future generation - paraphrased from Sheikh Ahmed Yassin (PBUH) reiteranted by PM Haniyeh. These words are in line with the Beirut Declaration. The bottom line document for full Arab acceptance and cooperation with the Jewish State. Have you ever read the Likud Platform? It's not as blatant but just as disgusting as the Hamas Charter if one can even find it now. See Israeli-Arab Reader - Laqueur and Rubin.

showing exactly what the palestinians have done to abide by the road map.simple task clicky,are you up to it?

No negotiations with Hamas until they recognize Israel's right to exist and denounce their policy of genocide against Jews. I'm sorry to have to tell you this, Hannah. But on this point Israel has the support not only of the US, but the UN and every nation in Europe!

what the pals have done to abide by the roadmap?simple task clicky,but can you do it?

Good! That is a start. Keep it moving along and we will all be happier.

and you are welcome!

the one abbas posponed naming the cabinet ministers yesterday because hamas demands wernt meet?whoes the smuck now hani?"this goes to prove you wish us destruction and disapperance".hmmmm,your conclude all that from me saying the pals wil never have a unity govt.,destruction and destruction,damn,hani.actually im just being realistic!you morons cant agree on anything with anyone including yourselves.keep believing the international community is going to give you beggers a dime,and keep believing you dont have to recognize israel,renounce terrorism,and honor past treaties signed by the plo.hell,keep on suffering,evidently you need a few more years to think about it and we here in the us will spend out tax dollars on something besides funding terrorism.you need to realize,right now,there is no palestinian state and with thinking like yours,there never will be!hani,tell me dear,are you to stupid to admit,there is no unity gov.,only an agreement not to kill one another.how quaint!

Unless there is another Quartet, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, who wishes to prop up the Pal welfare org, I know of not one penny forthcoming. What part of the article was difficult for you to understand?

Oh, wow. What a surprise. I am so unusually surprised by the objectivity of Israel's fan club. Or is it the other way around? I forget sometimes.

I'm sure you'll also agree, Chris, that the Israelis should abandon their plan to put a new settlement deep in the West bank at Maskiot and abandon their plan to move their Landgrab Fence eastwards, creating those two Palestinian ghettos of 20,000 people. Or have I missed something? Is the Roadmap something that only the Palestinians have to abide by?

Don't talk to any you perceive as your enemies. Talk only to your friends. Still - only a year and a bit before the biggest bonehead in America history is turfed out of the White House.

There is a point you missed. It is Hamas' stated goal to destroy Israel and initiate a program of genocide against Jews. This is their starting point in any negotiations. No other country or people in the world are expected to negotiate for their own existence. Why should Israel?

Chirac is contemplating what happens after the US attacks Iran. There will be UNIFIL between Israel and Hamas. At least now UNIFIL can shoot back. I hope they have back to back bunkers. . . . They will require a 360 defense with three quarters of it facing Israel.

To quote from your post (( Remember Hagana and Irgun fought eac hother for quite some time, ironic because they were both working on a criminal scheme with the expulsion of native Palestinians as its objective.)) There is no analogy here The Palestinian unity government?s mandate is to enter into Negotiations which will lead to the establishment Of an independent Palestinian state on the west bank and Gaza There is not even a theoretical possibility that such a state will pose an existential danger to the state of Israel. To even hint at that, in a round about way, is mischievous at best

Lynn, I think that I was clear in my post. So-called Israel has only one ally. That ally is dispised in the greater world. (We all know where the zionist entity stands in terms of world disapproval, so no more comment is here needed.) Most nation wish to cross whatever line the USofA lays down. Ergo: relief is coming soon to the Palestinians, and soon. I am pretty much repeating my first post: what in this or that do you find so difficult to comprehend?

A destabilising force in the Middle East. Its hypocracy and its blind support of all Israel's policies is making the entire world less secure. Some one should tell that to condy and then send her on her way back to her cronies in Washington, as a persona non grata.

Abbas thought a 'unity' government would solve their problems. But their problems are money and teaming up with hamas makes Abbas as much a hamas representative as anything else. It is the same government stupid. I might have credited hamas with a smart deal which is by having Abbas join them, hamas knew he would be discredited in Western eyes. But the whole object of this was to end the ban on Western iad and nothing more. With Abbas acting independently, he had more than a hope of receiving money. Israel sent $100M and the US $86M. But now with Abbas a hamas ally, the US withdrew its $86M promise. Talk about never missing an opportunity. however, Israel can partly join abbas and hamas as a stupid because the $100M is gone.

It is NOT of the interest of the United States to allow permenant peace in the Middle East.

Abbas and Hamas reach delicate understandings in Mecca, a break through and workable to ALL concerned. The US steps in a says; SAY UNCLE LOUD AND CLEAR and by the way Tony Soprano IS your next leader. Hamas says; No way. The Hamas special force was created because of Tony Soprano. US counters with, OK then rot in your little hell hole. No talks, no final status. One guesses that the current American administration has not yet learnt that it has the anti-Midas touch when it come to meddling in some elses internal affairs. One also guesses that Olmert is very happy. For a while there it looked like Israel was actually going to have to get serious about Resolution. Bring it on!

Mohammed also signed a peace agreement with the Koreish tribe, which was stronger. However, when the tribe was no longer stronger, Mohammed massacred them all. The Fatah nor Hammas will have any qualms about following Mohammed's example if given a chance, no matter what they have promised regarding peace.

"And I ask, as I have done countless times before: what will your frowsy, middle-aged state do without her erstwhile decadent and decaying pimp? Answers, anyone?" Easy, we'll do what any old whore will do! We shall put on our "gold" and green cricket shirts and pretend we can play Cricket by losing to the Pomms!!! Now which other "great nation breeding inbreds like H" do we know...

Yes Maurice the Dutch were alnmost as bad as the Swiss during the Second World War. Staeling the wealth of the European Jews who had placed their money in Swiss banks for safe keeping. Returning Jewish refugees to Germany and certain death. Yes, Maurice the Swiss cannot do any wrong, and certainly have an unblemished record.

Paulo: "Although let me add how much I love your mayor of London. " I bet you do! Shows you know him well you silly billy. He created the oyster card as a scheme while the tube prices are spirling out of control he creates the congestion Zone for enviromental purposes but flies all over the place. He meets with IslamoFacists on behalf of London as a representative of the country knowing that this sucker he met with is for beating up women and suicide bombers. Paolu, you could do better... Do you know a Nadia from Lisbon? She's a good buddy of mine who also hates Israel but she doesn't mind me for some reason...

att. Stephen Murray that thanks to the dutch soldiers, 8000 muslims have been killed in former yougoslavia by the serbian militias. They just turn away their eyes and took an other bottle of beer. Netherland...a great country

The U.S. shuns all PA ministers, yet they send Secretary Rice to discuss the peace process and potentionally final status issues. Who the heck runs the U.S. Middle East policy, it sure sound like the "village idiots".

about as close as the pals are going to get to international aid.tell me,what has changed, since hamas took power,that makes you think the international aid is about to return?one more thing,when you learn how to actually complete a sentence,you might get an answer.

"We gave them Gaza ..." No, you pulled your settlers out of Gaza (which was not yours in the first place) because they were costing too much to defend, and you wanted to use this as a screen to hide expansion in the West Bank.

And let me get this straight...the US was or HAS sent weapons for Abbas's special gaurd? Anybody talking about that?? Hmmmm, we misjudged the vipers again!!

by the end of next week they will be killing each other again. If not before.

There will be no International aid. Read the article again. It is about the Quartet and even russia is on board. Why read something that is not there? Hamas has already reneged on the agreement they made with Fatah. The 1/2 billion from the Saudis had stings attached as well. Where is all this aid you speak of coming from?

"you dream of a unity govt.,will never happen," It just happened you schmuck. This goes to prove that you wish us destruction and disappearance. No recognition of Palestinian state = No recognition of jewish state. PS. Remember Hagana and Irgun fought eachother for quite some time, ironic because they were both working on a criminal scheme with the expulsion of native Palestinians as its objective.

country helped the nazies kill jewish people and it is a disgrace how all you elected officials ran and hid when the germany took over your country in ww2.and it is a disgrace how your parents kissed hitlers ass and handed over inocent jews to be killed ,just to their own coward asses.your are so right,murray,you are an utter disgrace to the world! now go smoke some more of that shit,see if you can cloud your mind a little more.

Hannah the only tramp here is you. To be so blind as to blame the palestinian problem on israels occupation and US policy is ignorance at its peak. people like you forget the total rejection by Arafat of 93% of the West Bank and all of Gaza during Ehud Barak's Government, tell me what more could have been offered? What would it take to keep them happy other than the complete disappearance of Israel, which lets face it, aint gonna happen. When you have on efaction demanding the whole cake, the other side just becomes more stubborn IT IS HUMAN NATURE. grow up and realise that this is not merely about occupation, The palis have had enough opportunity from ISrael and other states to build a nation. I guarranttee you that if they chose to build scholls, Universities and a proper infrastructure not only would israel help it it would relinquish the tight grip that has only come about after countless suicide bombings and murdering of innocents. Get a balanced view

embarassing omelette by pushing for and sealing this UNITY GOVT.GOD WILLING".only ones being embarassed,hani is hamas,fatah,and the palestinian people,especially after all that infighting killing over 100,including children and innocent civillians.hamas and fatah have had over a year to form a unity govt.,and tell me,what has happened?you and your people need to face reality,hamas nor fatah could give a rats ass about the palestinians.sorry to have to say that,but the truth is the truth! both are willing to let the average palestinian citizen suffer while they play their power struggle game.are you and your people,not sick of it yet?you dream of a unity govt.,will never happen,which is a terrible shame for you and your people.in a year lets both come back here and see if what im telling you is right or wrong.hopefully ill be wrong but i doubt it,dont you?

Stephen: you put the cart before the horse. Unless you mean that all of Palestine is illegally occupied (which ends the argument--you are simply calling for Israel then to be thrown into the sea) you misunderstand Hamas' position. Hamas does not say we will not recognize Israel because Palestinian areas are "illegally occupied" after 1967 (a misstatement in any event): Hamas still says we don't recognize Israel because ultimately we want it to die. With its inhabitants. What you say Hamas says either explains why the United States would prefer not to deal with it (not punishment) or mis-states what Hamas is actually saying. And, for gosh sakes, why would Israel negotiate with people who refuse to give up the option of liquidating the Israeli state?

Hamas has reneged on its own agreement with Fatah. What was agreed to last week is now in the circular file. Why even bother with negotiations? I guess all the talk about unity is out the window now that Hamas will not abide by the agreement. It really is such a shame. Now the demands they make will surely set the factions at each others throats again. It seems one of them has to go, and it should be Hamas.

Perhaps some of you yankee zionists would care to reflect upon exactly how low the yankee star has fallen, and upon just exactly how many nations which would love to naysay the pathetic naked empire these days. The Palestinians have survived the Olmert 'diet' until now, and it will not be very much longer before international aid arrives for them. You have only to thank the stupendous unpopularity of so-called Israel's only ally for that. And I ask, as I have done countless times before: what will your frowsy, middle-aged state do without her erstwhile decadent and decaying pimp? Answers, anyone?

Dear TA: overpersonalized cartoon stereotypes is not argument. Israel is not an apartheid state--it doesn't exploit Palestinian labor, it doesn't force Palestinians to live temporarily in Israel or serve Israel as semi-indentured labor, it doesn't force Palestinians to live in artificial "homelands". Israel doesn't owe you an apology for its existence or self-defense. It might be a very good thing for Israel not to receive any aid from the United States as deferred military operations and reimposition of the formal occupation on the West Bank and Gaza might then (and only then?) be judged cost-effective. The US money comes with a lot of strings attached--basically it kept Yassir Arafat in power per US demands even when it became clear Arafat was running guns in violation of Oslo and trying to kill as many Jewish women and babies as his "Tanziim" fighers could blow-up or shoot in the head. Maybe your kind of, what is it, ah, "freedom fighter". Or is that "militant"?

And certainly before the Nazi influence came about during WWII. Turkey, one of the biggest muslim nations used to protect the jews, mainly from the crusades, and muslims and jews shared a bond. Why didn't Jordan create a state for the Palestinians and support them instead of trying to kill Israel during the year between 1948 and 1967? Why didn't any of the surrounding Arab nations help to build a prosperous Palestinian state during those years? Because they didn't give a damn. 'Keep the Palis in a state of refugeedom until we drive the jews into the sea and then we'll split that land between us' that was their attitude and if Israel did not exist today the Palis would still be poor downtrodden people only by thier own despots from the surrounding countries. How does King Abdullah and his father treat the Palestinians in Jordan? With an Iron Fist that is how.

upcoming trilateral meetings.that would show them,right dutch!

I really do not understand the gibberish of all the israel bashers and Palestinian bashers on this board. You are all nuts!! The palestinians after unifying Fatah and Hamas state "they will not reconginize Israel". If this is the case how the hell can you have peace talks??? Ok We'll talk about peace with you but just know that we will never recognise you as a state HUH! Does no one else smell a rat?? With regards to Olmert and crew I don't believe that they are the best people serving in this negotiation either since they seem to be the most corrupt leaders Israelhas ever had. So of course there aint gonna be peace but don't just blame it one side. And too many bahsers on this board have no idea of the history which brought about the conflict... Statements like "..the jews were a minority here and they stole the land" Jews and Arabs have lived in this region peacefully for centuries...Before the Mufti of Jerusalem came along, before the british mandate and well before the

agreements,and keep them,with their own people!you need to take a look at your hamas heros track record in dealing with anyone,much less israel.would you negotiate with a group that calls for you and your families complete destruction?at least israel isnt doing that!

Hani--do you have any statistics on the number of dunam or acres that were added to areas already developed as settlements between Oslo and the Al Asqa intifadah (when the PA declared war on Israel)? Any? At the beginning of Oslo the West Bank and Gaza (ohh, Israel doesn't have ANY land there does it) were divided into areas of Israeli control, PA control, and joint control. Do you have any statistics of how much if any land was "grabbed" by Israel in areas of PA control? Do you think that Israel is land poor, that it envies the rich fertile loam being farmed by industrious private olive-growers in the West Bank? Don't kid yourself.

Sometimes it helps to see things through the eyes of the adversary. So as a Zionist, I understand that Hamas will probably never recognize Israel?s right to exist. To them, we Jews stole their sacred land of Palestine. But, why should we demand they do something that is so against their sense of history. Instead, we should be demanding only that they agree to permanently ending their ongoing effort and hope to reclaim eretz yisrael as theirs. Without recognizing Israel, or her right to exist as a sovreign country, Hamas should simply accept that the war is done--not to be a long-term truce, a hudna, but a final treaty of non-belligerence. Sometimes pride becomes an obstacle, and this would be a way to let Hamas keep its pride and make the concession that Israel really requires to make a peace deal.

i hope hamas never recognizes the three r's.hamas is a joke,a joke for their own people,and a joke to the rest of the world.how do you deal with fools like them?they signed a treaty in mecca with fatah and just yesterday they are "forcing" demands on fatah that are absolutly unrealistic.i hope you palestinians are happy with your choice,enjoy your misery!lmfao

this article is not about the Israeli Gov. It is however about the US GOV and the Quartet. If you can't read and comprehend what you read, go back to school. No recognition or aid will be forthcoming until the Pali Gov. gets its act together. I doubt the Saudis will even send the 1/2 billion they have offered. Palis need to demonstrate a unity gov before they ask anyone else to do anything. Very stupid people running the show in Pali Land.

Howdy T A; Watch out! If you call Israel an apartheid state, then you are admitting that Judea, Samaria, and the Gaza Strip are provinces of Israel and that the Palestinians are Israeli citizens. Do you really want to do that? The physical separation of Israelis from hostile foreigners on land which Israel has not annexed nor claims sovereignty over is not apartheid. Which international laws are you talking about? And don't bring up UNGARs because they are not part of the body of international law.

All the manipulation with the "UNITY GOVT" was done to decieve US, UN, EU, RUSSIA. - Such people as Solana (but not the whole EU) even would like to pretend that PALS CHANGED THEIR ATTIRUDE. - Such people as Putin even refused to consider HAMAS as a terrorist group (though CHECHEN TERRORISTS are similar to HAMAS TERRORISTS). - UN under Kofi Anan leadership was ready to accept everything that had anti-ISRAEL orientation. It is very good that there are countries and leaders that don't want to be fooled.

The agreement for a new Palestinian government might solve the inter-palestinian strife, but it commits Abbas and fatah to the Hamas charter of non-recognition, pro-violence. Does Abbas seriously think he can take a step backwards and sell it as a step forward? At least the Americans are calling a spade a spade; now its the turn of other memebers of the Quartet to do so if they are to seen as legitimate brokers for peace.

LOL.we know THAT won't happen.......this is all a sad, sick joke. Israel is furiously building an apartheid state, shows aggressive, provocative bully tactics............and we stills end millions and millions to help with "security' needs. We are either 1.) Blind 2.) Suckers 3.) or We support a similar agenda to israel and suport apartheid states......................it's time to wake up about Israel....she is no better than an extremist Muslim.............and she is only stronger because of US support.

Palestine is the only illegally occupied country in the world where the population is being punished for having democratic elections. Israel and the US should accept that Israel never achieve nor deserve a days peace while they put such unrealistic demands on the Palestinians. Does Israel not grasp the simple fact that while the illegal occupation of Palestine exists that they don't deserve recognition. While Israel refuses to recognise Palestinian sovereignty in the illegally occupied lands that there is no reason on earth why Hamas should recognise Israel.

if you really want to know. And I repeat my question that it appears Nadav has also noticed your posts about your refusal to recognize Israel's right to exist. Please, answer this question of mine and his simply, without playing games: Does Israel have the right to exist?

I have e-mailed the British government to that effect. Any Palestinian government can only be formally recognised when they recognise the state of Israel's undeniable right to exist. I would go further and state that the Palestinians must have a complete ceasefire, no qassems, no firing at the IDF, no attacks on settlers, no actions involving violence at all for a minimum of six months. If there is no violence from the Palestinian side then Israel would have no need for violence either. The Palestinian security forces must also reign in the terrorists, and there can be no privately run militias, the police and security forces must merge into a unified command, run by an elected Palestinian government. If necessary foreign help should be made available to achieve this, whether it is the UN or NATO within the occupied territories. With the IDF withdrawn to barracks.

"Anat" - Hi Nadav. "How is it that you think you have the right to tell us in Israel how to manage our own affairs" - I wish you would manage your own affairs and leave the Palestinians to their own. When you belong to a country that has such an appalling international record as Israel, when it condemns an entire people to the status of refugees then it becomes my business. If you dont like it then get the hell back into Israel and quit stealing land which does not belong to you.

Abu Mazen cannot negotiate anything - a yesterday's man and when he had the power he was afraid, like Olmert, another lame duck! At the moment there is no government in the PA - surely this is clear? No unity government - nothing ! Perhaps when the dust settles if Dachlan is in charge there may be a real chance of an agreement because he knows Israel well and is pragmatic - he knows that Yafo and Tel Aviv etc are not up for negotiation. When you read that Hamas and Abbas lie to each other, does this not ring a bell ?

Even before smelling the cracks in Palestinian unity on WEDNESDAY EVENING, he thought it strategic of nullyfing any meaningful discussions at the trilateral... What did we expect from a politically ruined coward anyway? The whole world (including "Israel"is) consider him a failure, so naturally this man will continue to take his people and the whole region backward.

There is no longer a PA - PLO or Hamas government. Just lost souls that either live in the 6th century or want handouts instead of working. The only difference between Hamas and the PA. "Illegal foreign occupation of Palestinian territory is pretty close to home". Illegal and foreign - Jews have lived here for 5000 years. What makes you think that Israel`s occupation is irrelevant to Palestinian politics? Seems like you believe it shouldn't exist at all ? Details please ? "Its also interesting that you write you`re from Tel Aviv and London" I was born and raised in London - and made Aliyah 3 years ago and am happy to be living in a rich successful country that doesn't appease. Maybe the truth confuses you? Blair doesn't appease - but the UK like the rest of Europe has yet to decide between democracy and Sharia. Israel had already made the decision :-)

Unfortunately, Israel has demonstrated it is incapable of solving this conflict in a strategic manner serving its own interests. Yes, extremist elements on both sides have paralyzed progress. Yet the reality now is that there isn't an Israeli 'peace partner' to negotiate with. Abbas has been ridiculed, systematically weakened and played with as a yoyo, and now, told 'it isn't suitable to discuss any final status issues' at this stage. As Israel continues on this path, time is certainly not on its side. Its strategy of isolating Abbas has boosted extremist parties and swayed most people who believed in peace to the far right. Demographically, Israel is losing and Jews will actually become a minority in the Holy Land by 2015-2020. Therefore, I predict a renewal of armed struggle against Israel in 2007, until such a time an honest peace broker (not an evangelical terrorist) can revive whatever ex-US President Clinton started.

I noticed during the past few weeks posts by you, expressing reservations about Israel's right to exist. Am I correct? And if I am correct, how is it that you think you have the right to tell us in Israel how to manage our own affairs when you do not even think we have the right to exist?

Judging from Israeli feedback here, it seems there will never be peace in the Middle East. The one question which keeps me guessing is until when does Israel continue to ignore demographi realities in the Middle East? The notion of an illegally created state in the heart of the Middle East, one which is practically at war with the masses around it (not sell-out governments), is extremely unsustainable. Israel became to exist following massive ethnic cleansing, in a land where Jews constituted less than 10% of the native population in the late 1800s. To justify all the cruel events which occured to bring about this state is preposterous. Sadly, there was a time not long ago that I believed that peace belonged to my generation (I am 29 now). I believed civil societies and influential political figures in Israel were ready to mobilize their people to embrace a 2-state solution. Unfortunately, Israel has demonstrated it is incapable of solving this conflict in a strategic way

I thought Israel always wants to negotiate for peace. What is it with the PM rejecting to talk about final status issues???? I though only the Palestinians miss all opportunities to miss all opportunities. Israel's lies are showing its true color now.......

If Shalit is a prisoner of war, could he explain me why the Int. Red Cross has not been granted access to him. I am wondering how stability and peace in the region will be achieved if Hams keeps on declaring that it will never recognise "the zionist entity", not even able to pronounce the name Israel.

You are both, 10 and 11, dreaming about new Arab State. This idea is already evaporated after 1948 when Arab countries initiated a war against Israel, and Jordan occupation after that for almost 20 years did not produce any Arab new State in British Palestine. As soon as Arab League will understand that Arab non citizens of Israel must live peacefully in their mini-self-gaverning state, the whole problem with Israel will be resolved completely for good.

Give them Gaza, give them money, give them arms. The more you give, the less they agree to the existance of Israel. Just look at their primary school books showing Palestine from Jordan to the Mediterranean shore. Fatah is an undercover copy of Hamas. Lest the world understnd this, no real progress is due in the present or in the future of Israelo-Palestinian relationship.

Why would they negotiate, if indeed the biggest dammage on Palestinian nation-building was inflicted on Palestinians during the Oslo "peace years", when most land grabs + settlement building occured? The mere idea of suggesting Israel intends to "negotiate" with ANY Palestinian party is ridiculous. Those Palestinians leftists out there should wake up. Even Shimon Peres is complicit in the slow genocide waged against Palestine, since the "peace process" was viciously used as a weapon by Labor. Pavel, I agree with you that Israel won't negotiate with either Hamas or Fatah or a unity government. For them all Palestinians are terrorist subhumans who don't exist. In the meantime we Palestinians will worm on embarassing Omelette by pushing for and sealing this UNITY GOVT. GOD WILLING.

"Cant form a government" - Umm its not the President's job to form a government, he is to ask the PM to form a government. "He needs to resolve important stuff at home first" - Well I would say an illegal foreign occupation of Palestinian territory is pretty close to home. What makes you think that Israel's occupation is irrelevant to Palestinian politics? Its also interesting that you write you're from Tel Aviv and London. Is this to give off an air that somehow you are objective and rational in all of this? Although let me add how much I love your mayor of London.

The Pals still want to discuss Arafat's Final Solution--the phased destruction of Israel. We gave them Gaza and they turned it into the world's largest terrorist base. They still demand Judea and Samaria to ethnically cleanse the Jews and turn our native homelands into terror bases from which to attack us. They demand East Jerusalem to ethnically cleanse the Jews out of there like they did from 1948-67. Then they will turn E. Jerusalem into a terror base from which to attack the rest of Jerusalem and drive us out of our capital. They want total control over the Temple Mount to keep Jews out of our holiest site, just as they did from 1948-67. Finally, they want to flood Israel with millions of Arab Muslims fraudulently "returning to their homes" they never had in Israel to turn Israel into the 23rd member of the Arab League. The Palestinians have the same agenda the German Nazis had- destroying Jews. Why hold discussions to help them with Arafat's Final Solution?

I said it before: The Palestinians should simply cancel the upcoming trilateral meeting due to the questionable agenda of the Israëli government. The agendas of all parties should be: how to achieve (a broader scale) peace and stability in the region. Though the agenda of the right-wing Kadimi fundamentalists, seems to be based upon the question of how to achieve and to secure the (mostly questionable) Israeli interests. And in addition: I would demand, if I was Abbas, to have the Shalit issue to be taken of the agenda. The Shalit issue, if you like it or not, is about a prisoner of war and a soldier of the IDF. And with all due respect: the fate of a single soldier should not be that predominant. Is Abbas, or the PA government making such a big issue about the 1000's of innocent Palestinian prisoners; woman and children included. The government of Israel is still not willingly to accept the overall rights of the Palestinians.

The last thing Olmert wants is substantive talks with Abbas or with any other arab. His whole strategy is to find a way to keep ther wretched Americans off his back while doing nothing that will jeopardize his basically right-wig coalition. If the Americans really care about finding a solution to the problem they need to drag Olmert into negotiations...kicking and screaming if necessary.

is the fact that Rice is not even really engaged. She knows nothing will come of it. On the one hand the pals want everything on the table and the Israelis want nothing on the table. She's no good at this ME stuff she should have stuck to soviet studies (now soviet history).

Everyone with half a brain realises that all three parties to the talks are being held hostatge by elements who favour only war, for any number of reasons. what a silly charade, no one cares about this meeting because everyone knows its for show, and what a bad show it is. If this was theatre it would be billed as a flop of a comedic play.

Abbas doesn't even know what he is the head of anymore. He doesn't have the authority to negotiate his way out of a paper bag. Is there a PA government? Who is the head of it? He needs to resolve important stuff at home first before even contemplating peace talks with Israel.

how can a 3-way meeting accomplish anything if palestinians continue to refuse to do something constructve or positive? they want their state and reject statehood. why should they have a state if all they are going to do is make everyone's lives more miserable as a result? can anyone please tell me ONE reason they should have a state of their own?

This means that the result of such summit will be born dead!!I believe that both sides Abbas and Olmert are causing the failure of such negociations before it starts! Abbas is too weak to implement on Hamas what will be agreed upon , and Olmert is too weak to discuss final issues with Abbas as the majority of his people ( about 75% ) are not satisfied with his internal as well as external Policies! So in case there will be no influence from Miss Rice and USA on both sides , I prefare not to hold such meeting as it will exceed the disappointment among both Palestinian and Israeli peoples !!

obviously abbas/fatah and hamas agreed to co-exist while indep. working through the var. specific channels open to each to weaken and then destroy Israel, i.e. kill as many Jews/Israelis as poss. There is no one single convincing leader in Gaza or Judea or Samaria who supports the existance of Israel permanantly. If one thinks about it, mounting attacks on Israel is really the only thing that interests them, despite the best efforts of artists like Daniel Barenboim, who invested so much time and energy into his dream of peace with the terrorists. He shd stick to conducting Bruckner's Symphonies. It is also clear that they along with other terrorist groups and governments are intending, planning to make such a try, probably soon. Sooner than FORMER chief of staff Halutz thinks. There is at least a chance that given the incompetent trends in Israeli leadership, which would extend to all areas of intelligence, including Mossad, that just maybe,their algorithms are erroneous. NO DELAY