Report: Rice compares life in U.S. south to Palestinians' plight

We're talking rumor and innuendo here, your forte. you don't have to ignore any facts here, as you love to do on other threads. You do show yourself to be slightly less ignorant about US events than what's happening over here. Perhaps you should stick to that which a GED covers?

...because, just for once, I actually agree with every word of your post #255! You're totally correct; however unpersonable (if that's a word)-- power is a great aphrodisiac, and also, inspires the desire to compete... Regarding LBJ's "claim", it's very difficult to believe him, though. I'd read once that JFK's thousand "nights" equalled his thousand days...

"it`s difficult to imagine him doing anything except..." the hard partying, lazy frat boy who proclaims to be Born Again? Yes, he's probably faithful, but given his background it's still a question. "that anyone could have their eye on Bush in that sort of way", get serious, money and power are great aphrodisiacs. "stranger things have happened..." There's a story that LBJ complained because JFK got the 'credit' for adultery and a rumor that he made a private comment that he had more women on the Oval Office desk that JFK had in the White House. Yes, power does strange things to both genders...

"Not so incredible, after all hs is the President--Eisenhower, Johnson, Kennedy & Clinton come to mind--All noted for their extra marital activities" Yes, but....well, just look at Kennedy and Clinton! (figuratively speaking, of course)! But Bush...any woman interested in him would need to explain very carefully to him what to do...at least, that's the impression he gives. Those three minutes during which Laura conceived the twins must have been the highlight of Bush's life...

Not so incredible, after all hs is the President--Eisenhower, Johnson, Kennedy & Clinton come to mind--All noted for their extra marital activities--

Condi must have been embarrassed when she made that slip-up ("my husband" re: Bush)...as you said, probably nothing happened, it's difficult to imagine him doing anything except going to bed at 9:30pm every night (Laura said that) but then again... It's incredible (to me at least) that anyone could have their eye on Bush in that sort of way, but again, stranger things have happened...

The U.S. gave Sudan over 2 billions last year--Try guessing how many black Sudanese have been killed by the Sudanese government and their allies--

When Condi was National Security Advisor, there was a funny bit of news. At a dinner party, she referred to Bush as "my husband" and then quickly changed her statement. From that faux paux came the rumors. The odds are she's just an academic nerd who's horny for him and that nothing happened, but who knows? It made all the major news networks. You really should pay more attention. Try searching the net, it's still there.

Joining 'ole Markie. I notice that you can't address the points about Rice. Is that because you know it's true or that you have no clue? As for "tax dollars", you elected, four times, the idiot who's messed up both Texas' and the US's taxes. BTW: what % of US taxes end up in Israel? As a 2nd exam question: How much goes to the Arab world? Now for the extra credit: Which defends democracy, Israel or the Arab dictatorships? For one I know you have no clue about: What percentage of "loans" the US gives to Israel must be spent in the US? You give big business and the wealthy much more of your tax dollars than you do Israel. Me, I grew up in Dallas, so I know just how ignorant most of Houston is. Sad to see another one learned to type...

"is our friend ben luring you into his lurid ways of basing conclusions on suggestive rumors and innuendo in order to undermine those whose integrity his will never even approach?" He had commented that there had been a rumour that Condi had something going on with Bush and Laura told Bush to stop; I remarked that proof would be nice in order to expose Bush as a hypocrite-a little something on the side with Condi as he rants on about family values, etc..Ben said Laura seems to be a beautiful person..I was actually going to tell him that I'd been told once that Laura had killed someone while drunk driving when young, and was that true... "seems to me that i recall him attacking YOU in a similar way not long ago..." When was this and what was it about? Regards

is our friend ben luring you into his lurid ways of basing conclusions on suggestive rumors and innuendo in order to undermine those whose integrity his will never even approach? seems to me that i recall him attacking YOU in a similar way not long ago... ahhhh well; to each their own...

Laura seems to be a beautiful person in her own right & she fell for him--Love is blind, sometimes it's stupid--Condi's motives could have been a lust for power--

it's so funny how the ignorant choose to comment on that...when in fact just about ALL musicians and groups from the 60's and 70's indulged in one drug or another... lol...there's some that believe that's why the music from back then will never be equaled again... but either way...dylan did and dylan doesn't anymore. but dylan is STILL a humanist, and he still believes in those things he first wrote to sing... dylan is a genious for having made it so big..."without a singing voice"...which is debatable... but there is NO other artist who has had as much musical influence as dylan. shhhhh!...he even had a profound influence on the beatles... and what's most significant of all about dylan...is that anyone who hears him sing his songs...especially from the 60's...and LISTENS to them...is irreversibly hooked! his songs are timeless; and even today...his extensive fan base is without age...from teenagers to the old fogeys. and for the fools that would knock him and mock him and put him down...they're in for a rude awakening one of these days...when the man is touted for what he's done with his "poetry". he'll have the nobel for literature...it's just a matter of time. lol...and i'll bet you're sorry you mentioned him; aren't you?

Hello eric...I see you quoted Bob Dylan in your post to David...now, this is really funny...in another current thread, the one about Hamas saying they will avenge their six dead members, right at the beginning I wrote a post quoting Bob Dylan too..."when you've got nothing, you've got nothing to lose"...referring to the Palestinians...I just looked there and saw over twenty replies and the funniest part is that several of them informed me that Bob Dylan was a drug addict and an immoral man and so on...can you believe it? These pro-Israel posters actually thought that Dylan's character had some bearing on the issue!!!! best regards

i don't recall mentioning any "stuff-stuff". you must be confusing me with someone else; you know how easily confused you get-get. oh...and if you refer to ms. rice in with the "pat on the head" comment; all i gotta say is that i WILL keep wagging my tail, and i hope you're right about the pat on the head and biscuit, because i'd love to meet the lady. and the biscuit ben; i'd eat it right from her hand. i've no doubt that aside from her many intellectual accomplishments and artistic talents; she's also a good cook. and besides...judging from your vague comment about "stuff-stuff" having been confuted without a single clue-clue to which of your delusions it is that you've alluded, the only conclusion that can be deduced is that despite the hatred you effuse, and your consistent denial of the truth(something only your alter-ego(s) have disputed); why ben...you sound a bit disillusioned! yes indeed; i do believe that you do...and you ARE! you're jealous aren't you?! heh heh heh...cuz you know she likes good doggies... and you're a BAD doggie!; aren't you ben?

is nobody calling her an anti-semite? Isn't that a word you Israelis frequently use to shut people up? I guess it just doesn't work anymore.

Israel is the largest recipient of aid to the tune of bills of dollars per year from the Americans. Do your research properly. It's been going on long enough!

but have you considered the possibility that despite her empathy being directed towards olmert regarding violence...it may in fact have been a double edged statement? her experiences included oppression AND violence...BOTH committed by white rascists against the black community. she's a diplomat with a purpose, david; of course she's not going to slam olmert with a double whammy. she stated her empathy for the palestinian plight of oppression by israel; then she proffered her empathy to olmert in regards to terrorism and violence...without mentioning israel's guilt of the same because it's a given and it didn't suit her purpose to highlight it... "ain't no man righteous; no not one" bobdylan~1981 "yet some are obviously less so than others" eric~2007

"Condi is said to have had a "special" relationship with Dubya--Laura didn`t like it one bit--Word was she told him to cease and desist--Where there`s smoke there`s fire" I wish that could be proven--so much for Bush always yapping on about family values and god and all his other tripe...however, tell you what, Ben, I find it a bit hard to believe that even Condi could have such bad taste...

"So, we are to understand that all Pals were not happy on 911 and should not say they were, but we should collectively hate all Israelis for the acts of a couple who were dancing on 911? sounds like a double standard tome" No, Lynn, the Palestinians have no reason to feel any gratitude to America--we could have helped them obtain their state and rid them of the oppressive Israeli occupation long ago but we haven't--but that Israelis should behave in such a way towards our country which has supported them to our own detriment, given them billions of dollars, used our veto in the UN every time other countries propose sanctions on Israel for her stealing, occupying and colonizing Palestinian land--that shows Israelis to be ingrates and arrogant into the bargain. Bibi Net.'s comment on the issue was utterly callous to top it all off.

Since you seem to blame Israel for everything except dandruff, try explaining away the Muslim terror being perpetrated on a Worldwide basis--Lot os photos & details--Go ahead, explain away--I've also given the link, check it for yourself, and you back these bums..??-- This website requires a strong stomach?See the child with 2 black eyes?Lot?s of photos & There?s a lot to read-- It's all about Iraq, isn't it? Yep, it's all about Iraq and... India and the Sudan and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Kabardino-Balkaria and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Argentina and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Germany and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and China and Nepal and the Maldives and... ...and pretty much wherever Muslims believe their religion tells them to: "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, ... nor follow the religion of truth... until they pay the tax in acknowledg-ment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection." Qur'an, Sura 9:29 http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Condi is said to have had a "special" relationship with Dubya--Laura didn't like it one bit--Word was she told him to cease and desist--Where there's smoke there's fire-- Bush had also had problems with the Air National Guard and John Barleycorn--

Keep wagging your tail, she'll pat you on the head and give you a biscuit--Any of the stuff stuff you've said has been disproven as outright lies--

Thank you. Maybe we can have just as much fun agreeing as we did disagreeing? Have a great weekend, and happy Hanukkah!

First off, some Israelis are racist. Some Americans and Europeans (and Arabs) too. But most are not. Israel has given citizenship to over 100,000 Ethiopians who are living there as we speak. Seems to me that the Darfurians there now will have to receive citizenship as well: no-one would dare expel them, and as long as they are there the easiest way to get them the necessary services is by way of citizenship. I'll find out more when I'm there and let you know what the story is. Meanwhile, there are Vietnamese Israelis, Philippino Israelis, Indian, Afghan, Iraqi, Syrian, Egyptian, Yemenite, Turkish, Mongolian Israelis, as well as Bahai, Arab, Bedouin, Druze, and all sorts of Euro and American (south and north) Israelis. Most road signs are written in English, Hebrew, and Arabic. It is already an unbelievably diverse place.

...the analogy might be nearer. In reality, Jews and Arabs look pretty much alike. And anti-black bias actually may be more prevalent among Arabs. Other problems with the analogy -- a large percentage of Israel's Jews, perhaps the majority, come from Arabic-speaking countries like Morocco and Iraq; Arab citizens within Israel, culturally identical to Arabs in Ramallah, have complete legal equality, as even Jimmy Carter points out; and most people do get through the checkpoints (eventually), tho the delays lasting hours are undoubtedly deeply unpleasant. Within the Arab world, perhaps the entire state of Israel should be seen as a sort of Bantustan for Jews. Dhimma, a facet of Arab culture comparable to apartheid, would take a while to ameliorate.

may i ask you margie, how it is that you perceive the settlements as "protection" against terrorists? how does the continued expansion and the creation of NEW settlements protect israel against terrorists? how does the destruction of farms and orchards and homes amount to "protection" from terrorists? how does preventing and curtailing the free movement of palestinians to works, trade, interract with family, and go to school, prevent terrorists? how does beating and shooting a teenage student at a checkpoint for verbally protesting the method used to search a woman protecting israel from terrorists? how does the whole dam occupation protect israel from terrorists, margie? how much would YOU put up with, margie?; before you would lash out in retaliation? and your friends? how much LESS would they abide? look around these talkbacks and ask yourself how much your brethren would withstand before they became terrorists? i think you probably recognize that many wouldn't even need an excuse. of course not the suicide bomber thing...for that you need to live with futility and hopelessness and despair for quite awhile. no one in their right mind approves or condones these acts against israel, margie... but one can still recognize the REASONS for them... and the settlements? which came first, margie... the chicken or the egg?

So your reading of the situation is that the palestinians should have been allowed to go on blowing up busses and not prevented from coming into Israel with explosives? should have been allowed to have what they wanted, which is Israel without the Israelis what? what was your solution?

What a joke comparing White Southerners to Israelis or Alabama to Israel. Rice obviously does not have a clue and ironic to see she works for the very people that would have lynched her! So called Palestinians live the life of riley in Israel. They do not need to work and most claim refugee status although they live in cities for the past 60 years and are from Egypt and Syria but claim to be Palestinian. What a fraud and hoax the Palestinian "MidEast Peace" industry is. All these books written, papers sold, speeches written and money exchanged has not led to peace for the money goes to terrorist who are the ones who invented the conflict and caused it to be seen as noble when Arab terror is the most harmful thing occurring anywhere in the world next to the US and CIA which work hand in hand with the terrorist be it Alquada, Taliban, or whomever. The CIA has no morals and the CIA, Haliburton, Exxon-Mobil, Black Water, Bush dynasty, Bin Ladens, Sauds are all the same things. Wake up!

"Yes, we are bullies.....It finally feels good that for once in the last oodle of years we are not on the recieving end." Hitler would be proud of you, Leo. Nice to have a bit of power and be the bully, for once, hey?

Clickfool, your "research" is not quite right. The word is often used and it simply means a little (black) child. Blacks use it themselves. I'm just wondering now, were you offended because #119 Joe Smith used a word that is old fashioned, or because it is deemed derogatory?

One person pushes an old lady into the path of a bus, killing her. A second person pushes a different old lady away from a bus about to hit her, saving her life. The observer says "when will those two learn to stop pushing old ladies". That story seems to resonate with the "cycle of violence" or "extremists on both sides" or "I learned your pain growing up in the South".

So Condy thinks there is a comparison? Did the blacks drive tanks and have several full-scale wars including fighter jets, armored vehicles, rockets, machine guns to wipe America off the face of the earth? Did they lay seige to the US Capital and then conquer it, blowing up 40 US buildings like the Arabs did to Israeli synagogues? Did the blacks launch war after war of annihilation, then wave after wave of murder intentionally aimed at killing civilians in buses, cafes, discos, bar mitzvahs, etc? Israel needs a better PR if this is being missed by our leaders and media.

Surely El Swine must be confused and does not know what mass murder is.He is also unaware of just how equal US blacks are nowadays.I think he is really trying to compliment Israel for giving Arabs complete equality but finds it hard to say it.

I think that comparing the situation in Israel to South Africa or the American South is over simplifying the issue. The Israeli situation has roots going back thousands of years. There is a very strong religious aspect that influences the claims to certain parts of the country. These aspects were absent in South Africa and America. However, I find it interesting that many Jews were at the forefront of fighting Apartheid in SA, only to pack their bags and flee to Israel the moment the Black government took power. Why is that? In Israel they use the same justifications to discriminate against Palestinians as whites used in South Africa.

that you're just used to aipac's puppets in this country. well wake up! reality has set in... no nowhere does it say that a diplomat has to pull any punches for anyone. you sure don't mind when she slams iran...DO YOU? ohhhhhhh...but god forbid she say anything about what she has SEEN first hand... there's a number of adjectives that come to mind to describe your comments in this post of yours...which i won't mention because i'm sure if you really thought about what you were saying...you see it for yourself... so i'll just say your comments are pathetic...and ohhhhh so typical. tsk tsk...you're just pissed... cuz suddenly here's someone in the u.s. government that aipac and adl and the rest of your cronies can't subdue with political blackmail. have a nice doc

lol...ben, your grasping at straws...said reporter(s) were slammed...which serves notice on any others who would do the same...so ummmm...if anything it has improved the credibility of the "times"...lol... and you're just hissing and spitting for nothing better to say. i know you really want to sway silvienne's thinking, ben... and i admire her for her patience and politeness...but don't kid yourself...the lady isn't stupid and she's fully aware. maybe what YOU need to do is to open your eyes...and your mind...to the things that she's saying. still mad at me ben?...sighhhhh... ahhhhh well...you'll forgive me in time.

Yes, Condi missed the mark by talking about black Americans' suffering. She should have talked about Native Americans' suffering. The analogy would have been more appropriate. We were colonized. Our land was taken by white men who justified the conquest with the bible. They limited where we could live, forcing us to live on "reservations." We had to pass check points that were for their "safety." When we struck out at the white man, whe we defended ourselves and tried to regain our land, they said that we were savages (that was 17th & 18th century for terrorists). Our land was taken and we were turned into second class citizens because of a 2,000 year old text of fantastic biblical stories... and they called us "terrorists"! Your story lacks self-reflection.

Haaretz censors turned down my initial response where I lauded US Jewish civil rights activists (some of gave up their lives) while noting that many North American Jews refer to blacks as...(I can't spell out the word or I'll get censored again) causing me to cringe when I hear it. As to the proposition that there are many Jews who are pro-Israel and not racist, I absolutely agree with you.

i've felt it since her first trip to israel as secretary of state...and sensed all along thereafter...and i knew it was the driving force behind her push...and i know she convinced bush to let her apply the pressure...and i've said it many times to those who said it was whitewash in these talkbacks. maybe i'm blowing my horn a bit...but my faith in her has just been vindicated...and i know it doesn't mean a thing to anyone else...but it does to me! and maybe what she said about the bombing of the church analogy is just strongly felt...or maybe it was included as a diplomatic gesture to level the field...but it's the treatment of the palestinians by the israelis that stood out to her from day one...because she RECOGNIZED it for what it is! all those before her were blind to it...so it was easy for them to accept that timeless rhetoric of "defense". so all you in this talkback who make excuses and claims of it not being same as the american south back then; forget it! she sees it for what it IS! and how do i know? lol...it's all in the wording and it's there for all to see...it's the PLIGHT of the palestinians. ahhhh...and to those who ridicule and malign the former general picked to monitor compliance...be aware that it was SHE who most likely picked him for the job; and she did so for a reason. his work in iraq has proven he's going to tell it like it is no matter who's toes get stepped on in the process...which is why she chose him. like it or not folks...she has taken on the cause of the palestinians...and don't think it will stop with the end of her office. that'll just remove the "diplomatic" constraints.

you are wrong. Israel does not treat the pals as citizens...its a sin for you to say that. Using the word "citizen" implies a pleuthra of implications. Pals are treated BELOW citizen status. Israelis treat there dogs better than they treat the pals and that is a fact. A palstinian can only wish to have it as good as Old issac (i actually know a jewish friend who named his rotweiler that of all names) who is treated like royalty compared to a palstnian

Dont you listen to these foaming at the mouth jews. They are so upset because you hit the nail on the head. I read everything from, blacks need to let it go and move on (funny coming from a jew whose motto is: never forget) to israels occupation is nothing different than US's occup of germany (this one is the funniest, because as far a i recall, germany was not called USA or one of its states, and i dont remember the US ever building any settlements and asking americans to move to the land of Beer and sour kraut) Keep up the good work condi.

Something is wrong with this picture. Look. I hate Islamic terrorists as much as anyone else. I hated the PLO. I hate Hamas and the PFLP. Ahmadi, I rank with Hanoi Dane. But if we're so smart, how come we put so much energy into hunting down PLO terrorists and not going after the real big fish, Mengele? That bastard died of old age and a heart attack. Now I didn't have a million dollars 30 years ago but I have been asking this question for 30 years. Why didn't some rich Jewish guy put up a bounty to catch that mass murderer after they caught Eichmann? How come Mossad wasn't on the ball about that? That bastard probably killed 100,000 of us. The PLO terorists at most maybe 100 of us apiece. Something is wrong about the math. Now if you want to keep this stupid war status quo, go ahead! I'm not stopping you guys. But my main concern are Nazis. Yesterday's or today's. It doesn't matter. They are still the #1 enemy of the Jewish People in my view. Yo!

1) To compare Israel's occupation of the WB and Gaza with ours of Germany after WW2 is absurd. We rebuilt Germany with the Marshall Plan, we fed them, rebuilt their economy, their factories, farms, schools, etc. We did not send colonies of American settlers to take their land and crops, bulldoze their homes or deprive them of water or electric power, nor did we set up a multitude of checkpoints and roads that only Americans could drive on, nor did we engage in any form of collective punishment. 2) Israel DOES engage in Wallace style segregation. Schools and housing, and jobs, aside from a few token Palestinians are all very much segregated. A majority of Israelis don't care if they're all the same race or not. 3) The racism visited upon Jews in America was nothing in comparison to that suffered by Afro-Americans, not in the South or anywhere else. Nor was it even close to the treatment doled out to the Chinese, Mexicans, or Indians.

1. Thanks for the suggestion that I read "Three Lives for Misssissippi". The reviews indicate that Huie authored the book about the murders of Chaney, Goodman, and Schwerner. However, their deaths were not the motivation for the American Civil Rights Movement. In fact, while the FBI was looking for Chaney, Goodman, and Schwerner, the FBI kept finding body after body of African-Americans who had been slaughtered to terrorize the African-American community. 2. The motivation, for the Civil Rights Movement, was to overturn the 1896 U.S. Supreme Court decision, in Plessy v. Ferguson, which placed the imprimatur of the U.S. Government on the fallacious doctrine of "Separate, but Equal" rights for African-Americans. 3. The analogous problem, with the concept of 2 states for the Palestinian and Israeli peoples, is that the 2 states will constitute separate and unequal entities for two peoples. As American History has shown, that situation cannot endure.

Let's not get carried away. There were Jews involved with the founding of the NAACP, but there were many others as well, blacks and whites who were not Jewish. The NAACP was not a Jewish creation - it was founded in a coming together of a diverse group of Americans, religiously, racially, and politically. The same with the 1963 march on Washington (If you were there in '65 you were marching against the war in Vietnam). What have Blacks done for Jews? Did all Jews fight for Civil Rights? Funny, I don't remember every single Jew in America signing up for that. I didn't realize Jewish values depended on a quid pro quo. Although, it is clear that the Civil Rights movement liberated more than just Afro-Americans. It put the final blow to the petty discrimination that Jews suffered with as well. So I suppose one could argue there was a quid pro quo - you just didn't notice it.

1. Jews served both Union and Confederacy, there were units of Black soldiers in both Union and Confederate armies. SO??? None of this has anything to do with Sec. Rice. 2. Rice's job is D-I-P-L-O-M-A-C-Y. This means not saying stupid things that cause her to be distrusted and ineffective. Israel occupying the W. Bank is no different than U.S. occupying Germany after WW2, both had checkpoints and closed zones. Jews and Arabs are same "race", no "racial" issue, as in 1960's Alabama. No George Wallace-style segregation in Israel-EVER! Palestinians didn't need her patronizing, and her stupid analogy pissed off Israelis. So she didn't do her job, she screwed up. 3. Jews and African-Americans were prominent victims of racism by WASP aristocracy and the KKK in the US generally, in the South of the early 20th century particularly. Jewish involvement in Civil Rights is extremely well-known, no need to prove it to you. 4. Yes, MLK demanded equality for Jews, too; why he was so pro-Israel.

So, we are to understand that all Pals were not happy on 911 and should not say they were, but we should collectively hate all Israelis for the acts of a couple who were dancing on 911? sounds like a double standard tome.

You are right when you speak of members of the Jewish community working hand-in-hand with King's civil rights movement, as did many gentiles. And right again when you say she was not making a tit for tat analogy. But you lose me when comes to what is "unsaid" and as well with the likes of Farrakhan. The Palestinians need Israel to come to peaceful terms as well. Far more Palestinians have been killed and wounded in this affair than Israelis. Security is not a one-way street. As for Farrakhan. His sort has been around for far, far longer then just "recent years." The Black Muslims were around since at least the late 1940s if not before. The Black Panthers were hardly eye to eye with the Southern Christian Leadership Council, and lets not forget the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) headed by Stokley Carmichael, who started out non-violent and integrationist but changed mind later.

Book to read, "Three Lives for Misssissippi". True story and worth reading.

WHile Condie can sympathize with Palestinians not being able to drive on certain roads (security), need passes to work in Israel (security), have difficulty finding work (terrorism that they foment), she has no clue or insight into what Israelis must live with. The mere fact that organizations exist that want Jews and Israel destroyed cannot being to compare with her experience and the Palestinians experience. While they are the victims of the actions of their Arab brethren, they live in their fellow Arabs countries in squalor and as refugees. Even Egypt and Jordan and other Arab nations refuse to give them citizenship preferring to dump the problem on Israel. I am sure that Condie and other blacks didn't endure daily missile barrages or nightly incursions into their homes to be murdered in their sleep. Please spare us your chronic whining about your "black" history. Its quite interesting that Jews dust themselves off and move on, while Condie and her people use it as a scapegoat.

what an unbelievable analogy, white vs black and israeli vs palestinian. well,when you think about it, there are some similarities not including slavery, though i dont doubt israelis are conjuring up a plan that could possibly enslave Palestinians. lets see, whites were dominant, hey so are the israelis, whites killed, tortured, maimed, raped and violated black people, while israelis followed in a similar manner though it wasn't the KKK only the IDF...well i dunno if there are differences if hoods were on both groups. hmm, blacks asked for freedom and basic civil rights, similar to the palestinians, both sides did turn violent, i wont deny that nor will i condemn it, both sides were denied freedom and civil rights. lets see, what else, oh yeah segregation...separation wall/barrier/fence. targeted killings and state sponsored racism/terrorism on the side of the israelis. hmm, actually rice was kinda hittin the nail on the head there afterall

African Americans are treated as SECOND CLASS CITIZENS. The state of israel treats its Palestinians in the same brutal mannor except the israelis mass murder Palestinians.

she used to be--Once upon a time, long ago, the Times was considered a paragon of reporting--Unfortunately, she too has feet of clay--Reporters created stories and the Times published them as facts--They had one reporter in particular, that dreamed up the fables while safely at home--He was outed and the Times lost more face--Hardly anyone takes the Times seriously anymore--They have become very left wing--You might just as well rely on the National Inquirer, which you can purchase at any supermarket,or read free of charge while checking out---Their fables are on par with BULListic's--

You will notice that when this "incident" is mentioned (Dancing Israelis), there is never a peep out of the Zionists. Reason: The evidence of their involvement was shown on Israeli TV. Add to that the Carl Cameron report, at the time, was first aired on FOX NEWS, of all places. When Cameron tried to follow up with the FBI, he was told : "Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information." Then we had Netanyahu's remark when asked about the impact on US/Israeli relations: "It's very good??.Well, it's not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy (for Israel)"

1. No principled person, who reads my writings, could ever accuse me of animus toward anyone. 2. However, for those unprincipled readers, I simply paraphrase Harry Truman who, when urged by his supporters to give the opposition hell, stated that he (Truman) never gave anyone hell. Truman allegedly stated that he only told the truth, and the opposition thought it was hell. 3. I merely try to state certain facts. If those facts make you uncomfortable, aren't your feelings of persecution self-inflicted?

a zionist is by definition someone who believes that israel is god's gift to the israelis & sanctioned the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population.While I do agree with you that people everywhere respond angrily when attacked,I also think Rice's equation of the two situations,the Palestinian & the pre civil rights situation is hypocritical.She left both situations behind her when she teamed up with the Ziocons& the Bush family.Right now she's trying to whitewash her criminal approval of George bush's wars in the ME.annapolis is a charade anyway,another attempt to shortchange the Palestinians.It's not going to work,but that's not the topic here.It's Rice & her shenanigans!

Making such a comparison shows that Rice knows nothing about the history, nature, teachings, agenda and modus operandi of Islamist-Jihadism.

George, Clearly, Jews and African Americans both had unique situations in American History, but many similarities did exist. For example the McCarthyism of the 50's was a poorly disguised attack on American Jews. While it was ostensibly a communist attack, it was a widely held belief that Communism was a Jewish thing. Karl Marx was Jewish and the vast majority of individuals persecuted for party affiliation were Jewish. Given the fairly small percentage of the US population that was Jewish, it is difficult to draw any other conclusion. The same sort of logic that shows us that the death penalty in the US is racist. Don't hate -- appreciate. Peace. Steve

I agree with your basic assessment that both had legitimate fears and that both need to be recognized. While we rebuke Arabs for their opposition to Jewish immigration after Hitler's election and especially after the Nuremberg Laws, few remember that they were not the only ones. America did not throw open its doors, nor did many other nations. Anyway, the Balfour Declaration is in 1917. It recognizes the right to build a Jewish State. San Remo is in 1920; honors Sykes-Pickot by giving Mandate to the French of Syria and Lebanon, Britain receives mandate of Palestine and Transjordan. The Churchill White paper of 1922 supports immigration in hopes of a Jewish State, confront rumors encompasses all Palestine. In 1929, Arab riots spread killing many Jews. 1936 Arab revolts turn severely violent a year later after the issuance of the Peel Report calling for forcible transfers of people to create two states. Immigration limits come with 1939 White Paper.

"As it appears, certain Israelis were happy with the events of 9/11 too. Like the "Dancing Israelis" seen celebrating (their handiwork?) on 9/11" As I've said before, I've read about these "dancing Israelis" on 9/11...I also read that they were deported back to Israel. If it's true that any Gazans were doing the same, it's bad, but how much worse of the Israelis, when America is Israel's number-one ally (only ally) and constant guardian. Ingrates. Regards

Haaretz recently published a poll where 75% of Israelis polled indicated that they could not stand hearing Arabic spoken and 66% indicated they would not live in the same building as an Arab - if they react this dramatically to "brown-skinned" people, I have to wonder about their reaction to blacks. The right-wing nutters in this Talkback certainly made their views clear - "pickaninny", etc. As to the Darfur refugees, I admire Israel for providing them sanctuary but what is the prospect for even one of them getting citizenship?

"...Margaret points out that Zionist treatment of the Pals is much worse. And I agree. And so do most of the world" More and more of the world, in fact. People who used to deplore Israel's behaviour towards the Palestinians but still supported Israel's existence are showing less and less tolerance towards Israel due to the outrageous conditions the Palestinians are forced by Israel to live under. Reading the New York Times shows this fact. Best regards

Polybios, Astoundingly rational argument. I am unaccustomed to agreeing with you so thoroughly. Oh well, I will try not to let it happen again. It ruins the basis of our arguments. Peace. Steve

1. Judah P. Benjamin, a Jew, held three cabinet posts in the government of the Confederate States of America during the American Civil War. Thus, African-Americans and Jews have not been in similar positions AT ANY TIME during American history. 2. The Haaretz article pointed out that Secretary Rice's background permitted her to appreciate the positions of BOTH Palestinians and Jews. Why does Rice's fairness and objectivity offend so many? 3. It is umseemly, and untrue, for Jews to now lay claim to being the impetus for the American Civil Rights Movement. 4. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr, was an exponent of equal rights for EVERYONE.

Let's not confuse the issues. 1) My point was that there's no comparing the for-no-rational reason-at-all, white-Supremacist, MOTIVATION behind the discrimination in the South; with the measures, at least some of which are absolutely necessary, taken by Israel to protect itself FROM Muslim Supremacists. 2) So the EXPERIENCE of the Pals (and I'm not saying I'm one to judge -just running with your thought) may be worse than the experience of the Pals, because more Pals are much more of a real danger to Israelis than African Americans ever were to Euro-Americans. Back to point 1. Compared to the African Americans of the 1940s, or 1840s for that matter, the Pals are far more responsible for their situation.

Abel, I know this is some kind of Colbert thing. You aren't really claiming that Pharaoh's transgressions have anything to do with the shameful episode of slavery in the USA. That is strictly our own national sin. We cannot justify it by claiming to be a divine retribution on Pharaoh. That would imply that there was in fact some justification behind slavery when in fact there was not. It was an evil done to someone who had not done evil. Many of the abducted slave were innocent children. So you were just satirizing, right? Peace. Steve

Besides dying on their journey from Africa in your slaveships,working in your cotton fields,bailing hay in the heat and making you filthy rich,you think by you marching in the civil rights movements and have your name on the NAACP makes it okay? How many blacks belong to AIPAC or the ADL.

the reason that the palestinians need their own state is because they are hated as much or more than Jews by the surrounding countries. That wasnt the case in 1947.

Condi, I am not fooled. You seek the Presidential seat and are polling the Middle Eastern support eight years early. America will never elect you. Obama will not be elected. It is about the senseless self-seeking opportunistic machinations that are clearly evident in your every word.

The egyptians take all of Israel captve for 400 years. The Lord vows revenge upon them, and several millenia later, He sends the princes and kings of the nations of Africa into captivity in the deep south for 200 years. I live in the deep south,and all people have had to learn to get along. I do not remember one race based fight in the schools and parishes surrounding in well over thirty years. Rice talk about things you know. Go read the bible, read some books about hitler and what he did to the jews and our descendants, and then, maybe you might be given a little wisdom to speak of things that you have not read in books.

Abe Plough's cough syrup is now called Schering-Plough. It has a new leader, a Pakistian born Chairman named Fred Hassan, that is bringing Schering-Plough back to life. See! Muslims and Jews can work together. The former Jewish chairman, Mr. Karp, got the company into a lot of trouble, and had to resign.

Andrew Goodman, Michael Schwerner & (James Chaney)? And who do you think started the NAACP back when there was no one to take up the black man's civil rights cause? Were you in the Washington 1965 civil rights march? I was, along with many of my Jewish friends and Jewish groups from around the USA when it was not a particularly popular cause. By the way what have blacks done for Jews?

in her logic!

Dr. Rice is a 100% israeli die hard supporter and she was pro Israel from day one. What do you call targetted assasinations, road check points ?What do you call forcing a mother whos in labor to give birth at a check on the dirt infront of hundreds soldiers and on lookers? What do you call putting a condition on a sick child's father to collaborate or you gravely sick son will not be allowed in Israel for medical help ? What do you call starving a population under your occupation? I do not think that the red necks were remotely close to what the Israeli occupation has done to the Palestinians. Even completely biased Rice could not digest this inhumane and cruel treatment.

Omar, The Palestinian Arab/Jewish issue goes back to at least the San Remo Conference of 1922. I believe the Balfour declaration was three years earlier. The local Arabs were concerned about the massive immigration of Jews. Cruelly, the Brits acquiesced to the complaints of the local Arab population and shut of Jewish immigration into Palestine in 1937. Exactly the wrong time for West European Jews who suddenly had no escape from Hitler. If you try to understand the History you will see that everybody has legitimate fears and concerns in the issue. People rarely fight, kill and die for no reason. It is a complicated situation that does not lend itself to Klaudia's and her sycophantic followers simplistic solutions. They also will not be resolved by the Wahabi jihadniks anti-semitic fascist rantings. Try researching, you will find the subject fascinating. Peace. Steve

Willy, Stop being silly. You should check out Thurgood Marshall's legal staff in the Brown v. Board of Ed. case. At least 50% Jewish and all working pro bono. Just because G. Tosefta is a bit of a white boy doesn't mean all Jews are that insensitive and ignorant. GT is not the standard for Judaism; certainly not here in America. Besides you tend to find that in most white boys even when they mean well. I should know I am one of them (white boys). My wife and kids help keep me in check though. I have learned how to shut up about black issues when I think I'm about to say something stupid. GT should marry a black woman then he wouldn't post that ignorant stuff. Peace. Steve

As it appears, certain Israelis were happy with the events of 9/11 too. Like the "Dancing Israelis" seen celebrating (their handiwork?) on 9/11. The guys who said on Israeli TV that they were there to "Document The Event"!!!!!????? The Gazans might have thought that they were looking at an attack on their enemy - USREAL Not an excuse but maybe a mis-guided reasoning, unlike the "dancing Israelis".

Chet, I thought people from Canada were supposed to be nice (when they aren't playing hockey). Ronnie Wolman certainly is you must be a transplant from the US. You have no idea what you are talking (posting) about. Jews in America helped lead the fight for civil rights in the "Jim Crow South." There are racists everywhere just ask Grant Fuhr and Tony McKegney. There are no doubt some among the Israeli right wing as well but the Meir Kahanas and Baruch Goldsteins are the exception not the rule. I know several right wing orthodox Jews here in the USA. They don't hate Arabs they just love Israel. People are the same everywhere. When you threaten their existence you are likely to elicit an unfriendly response. That goes for Jews as well as Arabs. Peace. Steve

reminds me of what someone said in the 1970's: Peace will only come to Israel when israeli mothers suffer in the same way that palestinian mothers suffer

is there.The Balfour Declaration of 1917 speaks of a Jewish homeland and the Churchill White Paper explicitly says jewish national homeland IN Palestine,not all of Palestine.As for Britain giving away land to Transjordan,that's how it was.The Arabs also felt betrayed,since without their active help Britain would not defeated the Ottoman Turks.But the Mandate is a Trust and here is how it all worked out: 1.The UN General Assembly inherited its powers from the League of Nations. 2.Great Britain as the mandatory power in consultation with the Trusteeship Council of the UN asked for a 2 state solution:one jewish,one arab.jews(minority 33%) got 56% land.On Nov.29,1947,the General A. adopted Res.181,the Partition resolution,thus ratifying the British proposal.Makes no difference that the Arabs rejected it,Under Trust law,both beneficiaries must benefit,only then is the Trust extinguished.Since only 1 state was created,Res.181 is still in the books.The border between israel&P.is still there.

And had you been on yesterday thread, you can see first hand the Zionist opinion of blacks--mud people, genetically inferior, blah, blah, here is the link and take a gander at the posts to me---these folks are died in the wool bigots. They are with blacks until we have the nerve to disagree, and then they take off their mask as they are now doing with Condi, typical. Here is the cite for the Haaretz thread. Misha's, the ignorant Zionist, favorite word for blacks are "macaccas". Regards. Ballistic. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/929003.html Read the posts to Ballistic--that will give you a dose of the hidden reality. Regards.

Klaudia, "The Average AIRPLANE TRAVELLER Faces More checkpoints, lines, scrutinizing, hostile looks, body searches, etc etc etc ....than the average Pal does at the hands of the Israelis." I assume that you are exaggerating for the purpose of argument. Even you know that that isn't true. Every time I fly, though I pass checkpoints, I have been treated politely. The security personnel make pleasant conversation. They try to go quickly so that I make my flight. They don't deliberately keep me sitting for ours so that I miss my flight. If I had a medical emergency they would undoubtedly find ways to expedite me rather than impede me. Airport personnel are really nice. I would probably be treated nicely by the IDF also, but then I am a white American Male not a filthy murdering Palestinian Arab. Peace. Steve

To the chagrin of many of my colleagues and friends, I have long been a supporter of Dr. Rice...I have thought that she and Tzipi Livni could make a real difference in the peace process. I'm sorry you added to the polarization by your headline...it should have read Rice compares...to Israeli AND Palestinian plight...it's empathy for both parties that is needed now...no time to lose!

First of all, Condi is a very smart lady,even though I feel she is hooked up with a bunch of racists and warmongers such as Bush and Cheney.And yes,her voice doesn't quite speak of at times represent her people,she is still a well educated lady,wheher she is black or white. Besides being former slave owners and a few marched in the civil rights movement what other contribution has Jews make to the African American community. Genuine Tosefta before you utter another word, your comments tells me that you are either a racist yourself or you do not know enough about African Americans other than the fact that they are "black" to you

Her issue is the treatment of the Pals by Zionists, not Zionists treatment of each other. Regards.

It is unlikely you are gonna die in NYC there, Asher. Sounds like you belong in Zionist land, what with talking about armies and what not. Since the US needs men, and you apparently are not part of the "army of one", you must be talking about the IDF. El-Al runs every single day, ask Paul Harris. US voters are going to decide what is good for the US and if that benefits Israel, so be it. Gone are the days when benefiting Israel is the #1 concern with the US being last. Those that don't like it are very free to leave. Too many fifth columners here and around the world with dual allegiance and dual citizenship. It should be outlawed anyway. Regards.

Can't disagree with your post, however, sometimes circumstances will make a monkey eat red pepper and the circumstances under she must munch the same are clearly present. High regards.

Both sides in the conflict had endured great pain and for far too long, indeed.

I wouldn't hold my breath for it. I have a home in the South so you can't tell me what is going on as I go back and forth. Some things changed, others did not. Folks were down there a few weeks ago about nooses swinging and blacks not being able to sit under a particular tree and the punishment given to those kids. Better wait a few days before you try to spiffy up that world image of the South. Your demand that Condi withdraw her statement is a vestige of that old time South, that blacks speak only when spoken to and then told what to say. Sniff it up. She will not apologize. Regards.

The Palestinian Israeli issue goes back to 1948, anything before that is usally brought out of propogandas ass

Well, Yakov, Coretta and MLK Jr. deny the same. MLK would have never supported Zionism in its present form, never. He also supported the Vietnam War before he found out what was really happening and then he spoke against it and was murdered. There is simply NO need to sully the legacy of this dead man in an attempt to polish the turd of occupation over there. No internet, no news and nobody worldwide knew what was going on as Zionists always portray themselves as victims. If MLK were alive today, he would stand beside Tutu condemning Israel. If you think differently, you did not know the man. What Jews gave Afro Americans has absolutely nada to do with this issue. You are talking tribalism. There is no reason for blacks to support Zionism and its ills against the Pals, none, no matter what relationship Jews had with blacks. The issue is justice/injustice and we sure know about that. It matters not to us who perpetrates injustice, but blacks certainly know it when we see it!

not all Jews. Racism in a lot of other countries too. It is a pathetic sign of the times we should all have left behind long ago. The US still has its share.

Deep south back then saw spiteful, deliberate offensive discrimination backed by local law enforcement. In Israel proper Arabs work, come and go freely and are elected to parliament. Israelis don't dare enter Palestinian territory lest they be lynched automatically. That Miss Rice is the enormous difference in the uneven equation.

No, the 'plight' of the pals is that they are being kept from murdering the Israelis. The blacks in South Africa suffered despite the fact that they hurt nobody.

We ALL know that there is no racism or bigotry in Israel; don't we...?

See if you have the guts to point a gun and fire it at any cop in NY--Make sure you have your burial arrangements made before you do-- It's not the hitting that counts, it's the pointing with the intent to kill--Great Partriot, which branch of service were you in and your MOS??..

Is this because it is the first time she has woken up to realize that just as Shrub is scurrying to build a legacy by unhitching his wagon from the jews she too must do likewise and call a spade a spade. She has finally taken off her blinders and recognize Israel for what it is a large scale pillage and plunder of Arab land with the unmitigated approval of the USA.

Maybe sometime in the next few weeks, when I'm visiting black Muslim refugees in Israel from DARFUR (ever heard of it?), to bring them donated winter clothes, I'll get the chance to ask them why they prefer being in 'racist' Israel over being terrorized by fellow-Muslims in benevolent Sudan. You are an idiot.

Rice was talking to Arab and Israeli envoys, and trying to indicate to them that she "feels their pain". This is all she was doing. To the Arabs she said that she can sympathize with Palestinian pain because she grew up in the segregated South, and to Israelis she said that she can sympathize with Israel because she also felt the result of terror. A nice and reasonable thing to say to people who should consider her a fair minded mediator. Rice did NOT say that the West Bank is THE SAME as the Old South, nor did she say that the terror she experienced is THE SAME as the effect of terrorism on Israelis. Nice words are one thing, but actions speak louder. Whether Rice is a fair minded mediator is yet to be seen. I believe she is rather incompetent in the diplomatic sense, and both sides are suffering for it, but we are yet to see her leanings as far as the coming job is concerned.

For your information the Reverend MLK did say the statement, and more in support of Israel in a joint meeting at Temple Emanuel, the Reform Synagogue in Birmingham Alabama in 1967 after the Six Day War. I know because Rabbi Grafman made me sit with my confirmation class in the first row.Furthermore he expressed his profound appreciation to the Jewish Community of Birmingham and Atlanta Georgia for their assistance to the NAACP. As to Connie's father the Reverend Rice he was always greatful for the assistance that the Birmingham Jewish Federation gave to the Afro-American community.

...so completely fulfill many of the definitions of the traits of a political extremists...(by researcher Wilcox): -character assasinations -name calling and labeling -irresponsible sweeping of generalizations -tendency toward arguments by intimidation -claim some kind of superiority over others -and more... You insult the person -not her arguments!

South Africa, the pre - 1970 US South and Israel - common ground. The unbelievably racist ad hominem attacks on Rice are sickening but probably bespeak the commmon Israeli attitude to blacks.

israel has become? when you stop frothing at the mouth clikky do explain how a country collectively can become a monster ?

The Oppression of West Bank and Gazan Palestinians was, in its inception, part of an illegal scheme acquiesced in by the Israeli government to introduce its (Jewish) citizens as a favored class into the territories it conquered in 1967. As part of this scheme tens of thousands of Palestinians were expelled immediately. Private and communal property and water sources were confiscated, usually without compensation, in order to to provide for the introduced population. It was the intent to give a limited local autonomy to the indigenous population,without the means to provide adequately for their own welfare, so that Israel could wash its hands of its obligations under international law toward the occupied population. In denying the obvious parallels with the Jim Crow south, you betray an ignorance of the history of your own country.

The American South is a very nice place, and the level of racial hostility and segregation bears no comparison to Israel. I demand that Rice withdraw her remarks.

You state: "Living proof of inherint limitations. Bigoted and sees herself first as a Black person and then as an American." What, then, am I supposed to think of all those Jews over here who appear to think of themselves as Jewish (or Zionist) first and American second?

People who mis-educate their children about the supposed "nobility" of becoming a "martyr" (i.e., suicide bomber) are not victims but villains. They are the Ku Klux Klan, rather than its Black victims. Condoleeza Rice, PhD notwithstanding, has yet to learn this.

As a southern baptist I am sure that you have more sympathy more the oppressors than the oppressed, but even in the south, African Americans won...and now dominate in terms of population, while Hispanics are taking Florida and the west (taking that back! Just like the jews took back Israel, so will Mexico take back something that was taken from them JUST 160 years ago)....PEACE

It would be much more accurate to compare the present plight of the Palestinians to the treatment meted out to our American Indians by greedy, rapacious white men over the course of centuries. And it has only been in my own lifetime that Americans at large have ceased demonizing and marginalizing the Indians for resisting the cruel, relentless march of our "Manifest Destiny" proclaimed by the same lot of pinheaded religious charlatans who also piously proclaimed that the White Man was ordained by God to rule over the inferior black man. The Old Testament has a LOT to answer for in the affairs of men!

Condi Rice's comparison of Palestinian nationalists and Islamists to the Ku Klux Klan was a good one. Both are characterised by pointless hatred, murderous rage and nauseating self-pity. However, I doubt if the KKK ever killed anything like as many people as the Arab terrorists have done in Israel, Sudan and other places. The probable reason for this is that the KKK never had the support of the United Nations.

You state: "People who blow up women and children do not deserve their own state." I call your attention to the bombs placed in Arab markets in Haifa and Jaffa in July and August of 1938 by Jewish terrorists. Women and children were blown up. And do you know that in February, 1947 the British asked the Jewish Yeshuv leaders in Palestine for help in stopping the Jewish terrorists there? The leaders (Ben-Gurion and company) refused. But the Zionist Jews still got THEIR state, didn't they?

Rice was talking to Arab and Israeli envoys, and trying to indicate to them that she "feels their pain". This is all she was doing. To the Arabs she said that she can sympathize with Palestinian pain because she grew up in the segregated South, and to Israelis she said that she can sympathize with Israel because she also felt the result of terror. A nice and reasonable thing to say to people who should consider her a fair minded mediator. Rice did NOT say that the West Bank is THE SAME as the Old South, nor did she say that the terror she experienced is THE SAME as the effect of terrorism on Israelis. Nice words are one thing, but actions speak louder. Whether Rice is a fair minded mediator is yet to be seen. I believe she is rather incompetent in the diplomatic sense, and both sides are suffering for it, but we are yet to see her leanings as far as the coming job is concerned.

Explaining that the attacks on 9/11 was as a direct result of Israel invading Lebanon in the 80's and the United States support for that invasion. As I say no occupation no Al Qaeda or Islamic fundamentalist jihadism.

She said she understands what it feels like to be told NOT to use a road that others can use - This is true. We know that Israel is not 100% to blame for this - Pal Terror is - but to a 5 year-old, this is what they feel. She also said she knows what it is like to feel fear of violence of Israeli children and people from terror. Empathy, understanding the other's feelings, is a first step towards reconciliation - for both Israelis and Palestinian Arabs.

you live in Canada, never been to the pals territories.you said" The average airplane traveller faces more than a pals does at the hands of Israelis" President Bush talked about the humiliations the pals faces every day on the hands of Israeli's at the check points. you are so bad that you pushed the Pals to be suicidal and you are growing up the monster by your own hands if you continue this policy. Read Bet'Selem record about what the Israeli are doing. The only Hope for the pals is that G-d is seeing what is happening and what is going on. the creator of heaven and earth and the G-d of Moses and Abraham doesn't like what you are doing to the Pals. so try to come back to your senses, avoid G-d's wrath on you guys.I'm a jew, but I never been to Israel and I'll never go there till the Pals get their full rights. you are war mongers and you don't know anything about judiaism. please go to our web site http://www.nkusa.org/ I hope you will understand before it's too late.

I read poster Margaret's denial of similarity and that sounds right. Downside of her post for yoou is she says there is no comparison, Zionist treatment of Pals is worse than blacks got in the south. She agrees there is a huge difference and I agree with her. Regards.

I am proud to be a "depraved" Zionist. If you want to call me a terrorist, do so. You can also call me pisher. 'Sticks and Stones' You are the fool who sits in sussex and rants about the bad bad Jews. Yes, we probably have those nasty nukes. Yes, we are bullies. Yes, I confess to all the bad things you say about the Jews. You don't like it when we beat up on the bad guys. But don't you see? It finally feels good that for once in the last oodle of years we are not on the recieving end. What would you do if there was not a site like Haaretz where you could get off your jollies about us? Tough CHIT. By the way, don't invest in real estate in Tehran and Damascus and if you own a condo in Beiruit, now is the time to sell it.

Condi snubbed Livni? Where are the details of that found? Regards.

Gee, the Arabs claim Jews are genetically inferior and you claim the same about Condi. Yeah, well, it is why you and yours are not wanted there and it is why you and yours will not survive there if Dubya pulls your life support plug. I can imagine how you treat those indigenous people there. I bet you are one of those neonazi so-called Jews imported to Israel causing all the trouble. Well, your ilk will soon he history, ole buddy. Regards.

We have become a lost in space society, geared toward a poor me because I am this race or that race instead of the true problem. Simply put, We are giving up all dear to us from the same people we have put in power to make things better in what we thought was a free world... no longer now it's just self preservation and a hope to survive radical terrorism. so what is Rice doing to help the only democratic state in Israel? Ah that's right she is feeling sorry for herself and speaking with her own agenda rather than wanting to protect a land that has offered all people rights unless ofcourse they are out to destroy the land. Friends with enemies of what we hold dear and the freedoms we take so easily for granted to allow Rice to speak for us and continue along with others to remove our protections and the freedom of good law abiding people?

Marlene, Here in the USA Condi is considered a far right winger. The far right in Israel consider her a leftist puppet. That's like calling Bush and Cheney socialist revolutionaries. Usually, if everyone thinks your against them then you must be somewhere in the middle. Maybe she is just trying to be fair. Peace. Steve

No, I don't believe Israel is right, not at all. However, I did read Margaret's well written post and I agree that perhaps Ms. Rice went a little too far based on Margaret's post. However, on the flip side, poster Margaret points out that Zionist treatment of the Pals is much worse. And I agree. And so do most of the world. What Israel is doing the Pals has little to do with the rest of your post, just excuses for your supporting less than a humane pariah state. Regards.

Well, it won't take long to see. Say those Evangelicals are having a tad of a trouble these days in the news, thieving preachers, adultery and whatnot. They don't have the influence they once had, nor does AIPAC because when the rubber hits the road, the US voters are like MOST reasonable folks, they are concerned for themselves. But, we will see won't we. Pretty bold statement by Olmert, he found cajones somewhere in spite of your drivel and those thinking like you. Regards.

Southern Jews were very instrumental in securing rights of Black all throughout the civil rights era....even to the point of the bombing of The Temple by the KKK. I believe Sec. Rice is not making a tit-for-tat analogy, but only the sympathy of a struggle. What is left unsaid though speaks volumes as to the responsibility of the Palestinians to come to peaceful terms and stop terror groups and abide by the Quartet conditions. My patient was Coretta Scott King and for many years she and the Jewish community came together on mutual aspirations of freedom and rights. Only recent years have the likes of Farrakhan tried to pit minorities against one another.

"The term was still in some popular use as late as the 1930s, but has fallen out of use and is considered very insulting and racist" Wikipedia

Not all blacks were peaceful protesters sitting in busses.

Condi has it wrong. People of color in the South can dig wells, and build homes. Also go from town to town. And join the Armed Forces. Ditto American Indians. German-Americans. Polish Americans. Baptist fundamentalists. Maybe even Illegal Immigrants. The USA is a homeland for HUMANS, not just for a religious majority. There is power and wealth created, that is unparalleled anywhere else, and particularly in any of the ME Theocracies.

Aaron, Actually,if you were paying attention (obviously you weren't) you would have noticed that some of here examples placed Israelis in the position of the oppressed. Apparently, she is referring to the concepts of class hatred. I suppose that you are going to deny that in Israel, there are any Israelis that hate Arabs because they are Arabs. Clearly there are Arabs that hate Jews just because they are Jews. I don't believe that there was even an implication that Israel was a racist state. Peace Steve

My sincere apologies if Pals is commonly used for Palestinians and accepted by them. As for your other points lets save them for next time its past midnight here but my apology cud not be delyed.

Don't get ahead of yourself making unwarranted assumptions. There's not much room here on the posts, so I use a contraction, that's all. Lots of pro-Palestinian posters do the same. When I want to be derogatory, I can make that perfectly clear. As for the real point, which injustice? Only that done by Israel, or the injustices they do to themselves? How about the injustices to which Muslims have subjected non-Muslims over the last 1500 years? Or the injustice of giving a rape victim 200 lashes and 6 months in jail? Or of imprisoning a teacher for allowing a teddy bear to be named Mohamed? Or killing a nun in Somalia because of a Danish cartoon? Or forcibly converting a Christian professor in Gaza at gunpoint and killing Gaza's only Christian bookseller? Eliminating "Israeli injustice" to replace it with even greater Palestinian injustice doesn't seem like a liberal policy to me. Sorry.

Stevie Wonder old turnip yu researched and found out Rice and KKK both attended Baptist churches. The Jews have files on every living American and non-American of any substance.,which gives them daily read of each ones blood pressure, stool test, sex practice etc. Surely yu can find out where Matilda is after she took my money and run Venezuela, she is not in Venezuela I know, my friend Chavez confrimed. We'll split the dough if yu find Matilda.

New York=Israel...therefore, Israelis of Jewish decent, come to the Big Apple...cancle Israel... Pathetic.

Her pity for Israel is tantamount to her feeling pity for the KKK and for the State of Alabama where she grew up. Her own father, who was a Minister, had weapons to defend the Black community against the KKK Night Riders because the State of Alabama was not going to do it. Just as the Palestinians have no protection from the radical Jewish settlers who can carry out whatever crimes they want with full protection from the Israeli army, police, etc., while they also engage in their own lawlessness. She is clueless. It's no wonder why many African Americans have no use for her. Why would anyone feel pity for a country who committed ethnic cleansing and is racist? Certainly, Jews should never support that, but as long as Israel is doing it, then it apparently is justified.

This just shows how drastically Olmert's grovelling policies are hurting Israel's strategic position. Who would have thought that a US secretary of state would call Israel a racist state while the Israeli prime minister makes unilateral concessions. Now Olmert is saying "israel is finished". I have never seen Israel put into such a position of weakness. Olmert must be forced to resign and new elections held.

The rich, vibrant Jewish life in the antebellum South was destroyed in the succeeding century by KKK terrorism and cornpone bigotry. Rice and KKK both attended Baptist churches. No, Steve, the center of Orthodox Jewish life in the US is NOT in Memphis, Tennesee!!! All that's left in Germantown (TN) is a decaying old Temple. Abe Plough's millions are gone. That sound you hear is the rest of the TalkBack laughing at you. Memphis is the center of ELVIS, not US Orthodox Judiasm!! Geez, lay off that crackpipe, Steve! Martin Luther King was an admirer of Israel in part because he marveled at the fact that Arabs in 1960's Israel had FAR MORE RIGHTS than Blacks in the US (South or North). They still have more political and US-style civil rights than Arabs in the mostly non-democratic Arab countries (especially, Arab women). Honor killing is illegal in Israel, unlike in the Arab world, where gang-rape victims get 200 lashes. Do you think we're all stupid, Steve?

she is really over her head with being secretary of state. Bush appointed her as a kind of affirmative action. She is a nice lady but will not be remembered asa a good secreatry of state.

The Palestinians will overcome injustice done to them Polybios. I am not sure if Pals is derogative term you use for Palestinians,have to check with other Jewish or Palestinian friends, hope not though, but if it is dont complain when you hear somone using one of the thousand derogative terms that exist for Jews. Dont go runing to AIPAC or the Dalai Lama screaming 'anti semite'.

"Discriminated against?? Powerless?? Black American citizens were good Americans,..." Your comments make you look like a fool. Blacks in the US were considered to 3/5 of a person for a very long time. "...they`re still holding an Israeli soldier captive," What about the thousands of Palestinians being held without charges by your government? "...but the Arabs in Israel want to kill the Israelis and take their land." When you say "in Israel" do you mean the West Bank also? Do ALL Arabs want to kill Israeli's? Their land - really? How much of the land of historic Palestine was owned by Jews prior to 1948? In case you don't know it was 7%.

... you really can't stand it, can you, when someone - anyone - points out what a depraved monster Israel has become?

for me an an American citizen. Condi Rice just does not get it.

I love how this talkback is full of Jewish racists who condemn Condy not for her beliefs, but for her black skin. It just goes to show that yes, even Jews can be racists.

I appreciate Rice's attempt to personalize the issue of the Palestinian plight. However, when she compares her experiences to her upbringing she forgets one key issue: Unlike the South, upon Israel's creation it told its neighbors (internal and external) in its Independance Declaration stated that: "[Israel] will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants... based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion..." -What declaration came out of the Arab-Palestinian world on the rights of Jews in Arab lands? The Right of Israel to exist? The Return of Jewish refugees? Last time I checked, the Palestinians and Arab world had NO DOCUMENT and the Grand Mufti and the Arab countries went to War to annihilate the Jews to complete Hitler's unfinished work...and still want too...

Rice was not talking about Arabs in Israel. She was talking about Palestinians in the proposed Palestinian State which is currently called the occupied territories, or Judea and Samaria by some Israelis. She was not talking about Nazareth or Haifa or anywhere else inside Israel.

Raoul, you're exactly right. Tbora, what exactly do you think the Pals will "overcome'? Will they overcome their leaders subjection to the bigots of the Muslim Brotherhood, Saudi Arabia, and Iran? Will they overcome a blighted conception of sharia law that led to forcibly converting a Christian professor in Gaza at gunpoint, killing the only Christian bookseller there, and rejecting the freedoms of the press, speech, assembly, and religion (just like their Saudi role models)? Will they overcome more than a thousand years of feeling entitled to preferential treatment solely because they are Muslims? Even if they "overcame" Israel (whatever you think that means) those problems would persist. Try to keep that in mind.

In your trip down memory lane, did you just forget that CinQue and the Soledad Brothers were not Rosa Parks or MLK? Rice grew up in the South of the Klan. Sure CinQue and the Soledad Brothers wer California people, but not all Blacks in the South were part of SNCC or NAACP. Do you also remember George Wallace standing in the school house door? And the need for Eisenhower to send troops to Little Rock so some kids could go to high school? Wasn't it Lester Maddox who suggested transferring the US Black population to Liberia?

You obviously don't know the facts. Israel has had Arab members of Knesset for many years, in chronological terms, a very long time before the USA went in that direction, and that in spite of much animosity from their benches.

This would be a good time to revisit this question.

Prior to the great eastern European Jewish of the late nineteenth century, much of American Jewish life was in the South. New Orleans, Natchez, and Charleston had thriving Jewish communities, and very small southern towns had synagogues--check out the history of the Mississippi Delta: Greenwood and Greenville MS. Was there discrimination against Jews? Yes, but in the South Jews were white, and things were pretty much black and white--and being white made all the difference. The largest Orthodox Jewish Temple in the US is in Memphis. The vice-president of the Confederacy was a Jew--Benjamin Judah.

Poor poor Condi. All this abuse heaped upon her. She should just come home and let the Arabs and Israelis destroy each other--only withdraw all our foreign aid first. Then we'd REALLY hear some crying and complaining. It's a damned shame we have to get involved in this at all. Little spoiled children, all of them.

did the arabs treat livni like a leper.... and refuse to shake her hand? or was it they were chary of shaking a hand'soaked' in palestinian blood?

Compare American South with Palestine? Remembr what the American Soth was 40 years ago and what it is now. A black was Chief of Joint Staff, Secy of State, a black isprsnt Secy of State, a black is candidaye for US Presidency. Remember all this and think ahead for Palestine. The Palestinians are faced with bigger hurdles than the American blacks but like the America blacks 'They Will Overcome.

Do research Ahmad Ibn Hanbal and his bigoted Supremacist doctrines. Research Ibn Taymiyyah, and Mohamed Ibn Wahhab. In fact, check out Hassan al Banna and the foundation of the Muslim Brotherhood in 1928. Then you'll see that Islamic Supremacism, or fundamentalism, or fascism, or whatever you want to call it, existed, and thrived, based on supposedly Islamic sources, long before there was an Israel.

Hi ballistic, With all due respect, Rice's comparison is so flawed it's more false than true. African Americans did NOT have a history of discriminating against European Americans the way Muslims had a history of discriminating against non-Muslims, including Jews, before there was an Israel. African Americans NEVER represented an existential threat to the US. Discrimination against Africans by Europeans in the US (and before that, in the colonies) was not complicated by the existence of a vast external African population dedicated to denying non-Africans their rights. In short, there was NO rational excuse for the discrimination by Euro's, and no need for them to defend themselves, against Africans in the US. There is a very real need in Israel, however, to defend themselves against Arab discrimination and terror, which predates the foundation of Israel. That is a huge difference.

Wake up right wing Israel! Future is calling! Palestinian "demographic" = Apartheid Israel. Apartheid Israel = Worldwide boycott (yes, US included). Worldwide boycott = Israeli exodus. Israeli exodus = Ellis Island Baby!

In the fifties and sixties in the American South, the federal government sent in the United States Army to enforce the civil rights of blacks under the legal authority of the United States Constitution together with its Bill of Rights. The Israeli Armed Forces are used to protect and defend the apartheid system, not dismantle it. Ultimately, a written constitution and the rule of law prevailed in the South. Why doesn't Israel have such a constitution?

Your denial of MLK empathy with Jews/Israel ties in with your relating to what Condi said concerning the Pals, but no word about the Israelis vis-a-vis the snub to Livni, which was the main thrust in her argument, which is interesting.

you said'but the Arabs in Israel want to kill the Israelis and take their land." Now hold on here,you are the one who expelled the palestinians in 1948. and then in 1967 after a preemptive strike by Israel,you took the rest.jews were in Palestine 2000 years ago, when they were expelled not by the Arabs. now you came to the land of Israel to expel people who lived there for 2000 years? is n't that equal to Ethnic cleansing? for one soldier held by Hamas,you are holding 10,000 palestinians in jail, most of them has no crime, you are torturing Arab kids in Israeli jail. your oppression against the pals is far greater than the blacks being discriminated against in America.I'm a jew and I feel ashamed of what you guys are doing in Israel in the name of Judiaism,you guys are not real jews. please visit our web site"http://www.nkusa.org/

I don,t need to be black to know that Ms Rice has let go of her umbilical cord to reality and gone completely ballistic.Dear ballistic,the constant obcession with race and colour is something that one should try and free oneself from.Whatever happened on the streets of Boston has little to do with the tableclothed amputating,beheading,female circumcising Islamo fascists whom Rice apparently thinks are Ronald McDonald look alikes with bootblacked faces.Israel and the world is facing people who stone women,think black people are closer to primates than absolutely necessary and who are anti democratic and violent to boot.Ms Rice is perhaps preparing for a role in a Pallywood movie once she is turfed out of the White House team.As a black,female,American, freedom lovin uncircumcised gal,she can probably only expect an understudy part.Come on ballistic stop being so silly.You know Israel is right but you just can,t stand it.Get used to it and get a life ! !

Really, what an idiotic thing to say. American blacks were segregated and discriminated against terribly in the South, but the military of the USA was not bombing them on a daily basis, they were not rounded up and put into ghettos, their homes destroyed, their land stolen. Gimme a break. For her to compare blacks in the segregated South to the militarily occupied Palestinians is ludicrous. Israelis are war criminals. The state of Israel has systematically engaged in genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. In the South, blacks were treated as inferior and deprived of civil rights, but the US military never engaged in military attacks on black neighborhoods. Israel has exceeded even South Africa in the unholy occupation and oppression of the Palestinian people. I think Rice should move to the Palestinian ghetto of Hebron and see what true and hateful discrimination is really like.

What islamif fundamentalist terrorism has its roots within the Israelis Palestinian conflict. Problem is Israel will move mountains trather than allow that assessment of the situation in the world. Fortunately it is an idea that is gaining ground. Which is why President Bush has decided that there will be a two state solution.

Of course African American will identify themselves with the Palestinians for obvious socio-historical reasons. The only mitigating factor is their so-called Judeo-Christian creed which favors the Israelis. But if more AfAm convert to Islam that factor will not come into play. And what did Livni expect from the delgates of the Arab states? What has she done lately to change their entrenched attitudes? Israelis live in a dream land removed from the daily reality of peoples' feelings and discontents.

While you all are bashing Rice, just keep in mind that it is Rice that is really in charge of this latest US-led peace initiative. Bush put his face in front of the cameras, but this is Rice's baby. Bush is just letting her run with it whatever way she sees fit, while giving her 100% backing and support. I personally don't like her. But considering what is at stake here, I would suggest giving her the same respect you would give George Bush. When you speak of one, you speak of the other in this situation. She has more real power to drive the direction of this initiative than George Bush does. And her decisions carry not only her authority, but the same authority as if George Bush himself made them. PS - If you think Bush has any personal interest in Israel, go look up the full video of Bush screwing up pronouncing Olmert and Abbas's names. It was clear that he didn't even care enough to even learn how to pronounce their names before his speech. This is Rice's deal, not his.

If Israel had not occupied Palestine there would have been to WWI, WWII, Korean War, the Tsunami, etc.

Yeah...If the African-Americans in the South of the USA would do to the Law and Order American Establishment 1% of what the "pals" do to Israel,there would not be one African-American alive in the USA,nowadays.....They never bombed Buses or Pizzarias in the USA.They were heroes in the Armed Forces during WWll...Now,whatg Israel allows the "pals",only bleeding Jewish Hearts can take it...

Duh, genious: The way out of the ghetto is to stop firing the "ineffectual" rockets. You can afford to be blind to the murderous nature of the thugs running Gaza - their "ineffectual" rockets and their virgin-seeking suicide bombers can't reach you. Mighty brave of you ...

I am an optimist by nature, being a Southern Baptist, but you are speaking out of your butt if you think GeorgeW will not ensure Israel's safety by not getting PEACE for any concessions.

Cancel Palestine, Arabs go home to Jordan Palestine.

Well, she has "chutzpah"; I don't know about "chutzbah", but the equivalency she makes is right on the mark. Bullseye!!! Only difference between the analogy is blacks were brought to the US and then mistreated, whereas Zionists plopped down and then mistreated those indigenous people. Yep, she knows what she is talking about. A perfect analogy. Go Condi, tell them about it! Regards.

I don't have time to spar with you about BS today. Yaakov says you represent the underbelly of Jews, and I believe he is right. Today, you deal with reality and the issue which is Dubya said there are gonna be two states. I may be ignorant, but I've been reposting the same against your tide of BS for a year. I am intelligent enough to know when a gig is up. And your gig is up, ole buddy, way past last call for alcohol. Now Dubya hasn't given you thieves much time to get in step, so ready your FL trailer down there cause many will leave. BTW, CNN said there are record numbers of Jews leaving there and coming here to get citizenship for their kids and grandkids born in Israel under some obscure US law. Wise up buddy! Keep posting BS, the caravan moves on and the dogs are silent. Regards.

I would like to give it a try.

1948 creation of Israel....Jewish land now. Some Arab refugees of war left their rental homes...hundreds of thousands of Jews in Arab countries expelled without their homes and businesses. Why don't you deal in reality rather than you BS and lies. Your people are the lowest intelligence on the planet and you are a miserable example of them.

equating the evils of the US segregated south for reasons of white racial supremacy with Israel's acts towards violent Arabs trying to kill us all.

and trying to defend the US from invaders that have been defeated, but continued to blow up civilians and vow to wipe you off the face of the earth and never agree to peace, STILL not fight back to protect your citizens. Sir, you are no patriot in any sense of the word. I served in the USAF during VietNam and you?

Don't start putting out that lie again. Coretta and his kids deny such a statement was ever made by her husband/father in writing or in any speeches. Supposedly the same was contained in a bogus letter to a friend. MLK would never have supported Zionism in its present form. Condi's spiel to blacks about the comparison of their history and the plight of the Pals is more appropriate. Blacks can relate to the Pals through their own history. No need to again starting lying on MLK who cannot defend himself, but thankfully, Coretta laid that lie to rest before she died, denying it many times. Regards.

Blacks and Jews were similarly persecuted in the US south. Blacks and Jews were allies in the civil rights movement. We were both targets of the KuKluxKlan, which remains the only US organization to closely resemble HAMAS in its goals and tactics. Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King was an outspoken friend and admirer of Israel. Suffice it to say that if this nauseating racist statement attributed to Rice is accurate, she is through as Sec. of State. No possibility of further credibility with Israelis or Jews, and no 2-state solution with her involvement.

Um, Condi works for Dubya. She says only what he tells her to say, no more, no less. Dubya is speaking through Condi. Get used to it. Don't like it, take it up with Dubya and his Arab compatriots. Regards.

The character calling himself "Genuine Tosefta" is neither genuine nor Tosefta, just a Fake, otherwise known as Star of David. Can't get the attention he believes he deserves so he uses my name. The public is requested NOT TO COMMUNICATE with the Fake so as not to encourage this phenomenon.

Boy you are a hoot talking about "moving on". Here the Zionists are trying to stake a 3,000 year old land claim, still have a bigger and better beggin cup in hand for Germany, the Dutch and whoever else they can fleece for Holocaust donations all while crying being a victim for 2,000 years and you have the chutzpah to say slavery (which Jews helped finance) is over and done, let's move on. I agree, let's move on; Dubya says 2 states or pack your arses up and move. Period. That ole Dubya may make history yet. Can he force that, yes, just pry the Zionist mouth from the US taxpayer ninny and join the rest of the world in recognizing Israel for the apartheid pariah state that she is. No more demands met. Catch the peace train so Dubya cajones can get freed from the wringer & the whole world is watching Zionists with their BS this time around. You are a hypocrite, plain and simple. Regards.

Martin Luther King was a strong supporter of Israel (very different league from Condi). In fact he said that anyone who is anti-Zionist is an anti-Semite. How far removed from her thinking!

Yeah, and I recall seeing a picture of Bibi with a permanent pressed smile on his face showing all 32 teeth. Regards.

Well, Herbert, blacks waited around for a couple hundred years getting hanged, beaten and the like before they decided to follow MLK for a time. But the Pals aren't gonna wait 200 or more + years to be mistreated by the interlopers before they get their just due. For one thing, they are Muslim and Muslims don't have, well, let's just say, a high opinion of Zionists, especially those not practicing Judaism. Different strokes for different folks. Say, what about those bombings and murders Zionists carried out when they plopped down? It was okay then, but not okay now? You guys are such hypocrites. However, Olmert says, 2 states, 1 state or pack your arses up and get out. US is through supporting Zionist BS over there against the Arab world. Condi is just speaking to blacks in terms they can understand, and they do understand it. Regards.

Are you saying African- American treatment is not comparable, or that what happened to the Palestinians is worse? I have to say, being kidnapped and sold into slavery is real suffering. Not to belittle another's suffering. But, who can rate the pain inflicted by the abominations we visit on one another to say which hurt whom worse?

Jenuine what? Yes, we are being attacked because of your actions and the fact that your death machine is paid for with our tax dollars. You are getting us broke, but we are waking up. The party is over buddy.

Martin Luther King is very esteemed by Americans for his call for non-violent resistance. He is rightfully a hero. But, to say there was no violence in the America's path to civil rights is factually wrong. There were many race riots in the the 1960s. And, the fact that things did degenerate to violence in no way negates White Americas culpability in their treatment of African Americans. Blaming a victim for trying to change their treatment, does not change the fact that they are mistreated.

Are you black? Did you live in Boston when Mayor Flynn was having buses turned over and stabbing folks with the American flag in the late 70's as I was? Condi does speak for blacks in this instance and there are still nooses swinging in DC and elsewhere. Blacks should have used some terrorism to keep from being hanged. Mostly, the bible thumping blacks who think Jews are God's chosen will relate to what she said and come to a different conclusion much like Carter's book was for Evangelicals. It's like Dubya told Olmert and he told Israelis, 2 states or get out. Zealots can't believe it, but Dubya's cajones are in a wringer and he is gonna turn them loose by smacking Israel a time or two; it should have been done a long time ago. She's the US's brat. Toot, toot, all aboard. Peace train, last run. Board it or pack up and leave. Watch Dubya run without AIPAC, who is on trial. Run Dubya, run. Regards.

Boo hoo! Condescending Rice maybe needs to pe painted white, then maybe that chip on her shoulder would fall off. This particular black lady currently holds the title of Secretary of State in the U.S. government, she has no reason to complain like this. Plus, slave trading ended a long time ago, its time to move on...and to stop apologizing.

is an example of black anti-Semitism at its finest. This type of Jew-baiting is what got Yankel Rosenbaum killed. But Ms. Rice wouldn't know who that is.

Shaul, you are a racist, bigot and pathetic. To call my people a Genetically inferior, shows your hatred. The world hates you, but you do not realize it.

What tree did fall off? Why dont you say that if not for the Israelis, there would have been no tzunami? It is always the zionists fault. You must surely be a member of KKK

?her willful obfuscation of facts about the Israeli 60 year Illegal Presence in the land allocated by the UN to Palestine in 1947,?? What is legitimacy in one person?s eyes may not be legitimate in another?s. Let us exam the facts lakshmi before you and your friends make more unfounded statements. On what basis do you determine that Israel is an ?Illegal Presence?? The UN partition parceling or division of the land in 1947 is by itself ?illegal? since it overrides two basic articles of the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine. Article two of the Mandate for Palestine states: The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion. 1) Please note there is no reference here given to a ?Palestinian? people since plainly there was no such entity at that time. Otherwise why do they not use the term ?Palestinian Peoples?? 2) You do know of this historic document do you not? You do know of the map of the mandated area which clearly shows that your contended area is included within that area prescribed in article two. Article Five of the Mandate for Palestine states: The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power. This article is problematic because, ?What happened to the Mandatory lands east of the Jordan River?? Who received them? On what legal basis did this 7/8?s of the Palestinian Mandate get handed over other than as an arbitrary whim of the British government? Lakshmi if you are so upset with the Jews of Israel than maybe you should ask the British, ?Hey what?s goin on?? Also if we are on the point of ?Illegal Presence in the land allocated by the UN to Palestine in 1947 correct me if I am wrong but didn?t those same soldiers of the entity to the east of the Jordan River occupy those same said territories from November 1948 through June 1967? My question to you is simply; ?Why didn?t you create your ?Palestinian Entity? then?? What was preventing you in 1948, Gush Emunim, the ?Settlers?? Do please give us all your hopefully factual answer.

I love it!

"If Israel had not occupied Palestine there would have been no 9/11 no 7/7 no Madrid, no Beslan, no Al Qaeda, no PLO" You've reached the heart of the problem, my friend. Turning Israel into the mother of all scapegoats, for problems that you refuse to confront for what they are. And if Israel were to disappear tomorrow, these problems will only come at you harder and faster.

That's why I've never trusted her to mediate. Thank god the Bush admin can reign her in when she starts opening her mouth too much.

I am shocked by Rice's statement. Perhaps she should read history and understand that the South was and is part of the United States. The Palestinians live under the P.A. and not in Israel proper. Arabs living in Israel has the same rights as Jews living in Israel. Maybe she should be shocked by the state that the P.A. is demanding and she is supporting....one that makes it illegal for a Jew to live in....one that will require all Jews who now live there leave....

Rice has shown her anti Semitic and Anti Israel bias. How dare she campare the plight of the American blacks with that of the Palestinians. The Palestinians have brough their own misery onto themselves. Does she expect Israel to open the roads, and allow terrorist murderers to enter Israel, willy nilly? She is living in kookooland. The waiting in line to enter Israel, and the time it takes, is not Israel's but the Muslim own fault. Had they accepted Israel as a Jewish state, and stopped their murder of Jews, Israel would have opened the gates to those Muslims. As an Israeli, try to drive your car into a shopping mall. There are long queues, and every car is searched. But no Israeli complains. Yet, the Israeli Muslims/ Arabs, live a better life of freedom in Israel that the Muslims in any Muslim country. They have full freedom wherever, attend Israeli schools and universities, have Arab representation in the Knesset. Have the same medical care.

....checkpoints, lines, scrutinizing, hostile looks, body searches, etc etc etc ....than the average Pal does at the hands of the Israelis. There is a name for this. It's called security. But Condi, as a member of the elite, is so out of touch with what the regular Joe endures, that she interchanges security and discrimination.

Unpleasant as it is for Israelis and Jews to admit, what is going on in the West Bank does resemble Apartheid. There are two groups of people there, the natives (Palestinians) and the newcomer Settlers (Israeli Jews). The latter group has all rights, and subject to Israeli law, while the Palestinians have essentially no rights and subject to Jordanian and military laws handed down by military courts. The settlers have exclusive use of some new and fast roads, while the natives have to use side roads or dirt roads, and must wait patiently at roadblocks which do not block the Israelis` traffic. All this is well known. The usual excuse for this state of affairs is Palestinian terrorism and danger to the settlers. Sorry, but this is a lame excuse. When you introduce settlers into an occupied territory and allocate to them large tracts of land and generous water quotas (much larger than the natives get), there should be the expectation of resistance. The settlement project itself breeds the resistance, and therefore the Apartheid regime. It is time for Israelis and Jews to look at Israel`s behavior and stop accusing the world of anti-Semitism.

Come on Haaretz. You could have reworded the title of this in reverse. Rice is on our side. She isn't a flake. Her mentors were Jewish. Ofcourse she can relate to both sides. Would you rather have people like...? Well you can fill in the blank from US leaders of the past. Maybe I have misinterpreted the intent of this emphasis but Condi needs our support.

First of all there was a movement within the black community that advocated violence, secondly, you reap what you sow...you can't oppress a people for 60 years, take everything away, restrict them and humiliate them and the blame them for their attempt to fight back. Remember it was the Jews that brought terrorism in the region with the explosion of the King David Building and they were quite willing to use these terrorist tactics against the Germans....you want them to lay down like lambs and take it....like most jews did in ww2...the Pals will not take it.

Living proof of inherint limitations. Bigoted and sees herself first as a Black person and then as an American.

the jews came to the region from afar and attempted to claim the land as their own. and you are right, their will NEVER be peace with the Jews. EVER EVER EVER

THE CASES ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT AND HER ANALOGY IS IRRELEVANT.

Funny how Rice framed the Palestinians' plight in terms of not being able to use a certain road or feeling powerless, while framing the Israelis' situation as feeling terrorized by Palestinian violence as they lie in their beds at night. Perhaps she doesn't realize that Israeli helicopter gunships and trigger-happy soldiers routinely terrorize Palestinians as they sleep at night (or anytime for that matter). That pro-Israel bias doesn't die easily.

crimes against humanity throughout history, even this year alone.

I have D Chandler. Your problem is that I no longer believe with many others Israel when it comes to illegally occupying another country. I woke up the day after 9/11, when I realised how American foreign policy made us hated all around the world despite the aid. Blind support for the state of Israel is going to get Americans killed. Condi has realised that. Israel's free ride is coming to an end.

And the Israeli army continues to maintain an illegal occupation, oppress people, destroy their fields, homes, lives, families etc. Then they cry foul, Terrorist. Israel, IDF is creating terror.

Seemingly Rice has some trouble in this issue. If you put Arafat, Baghrouti, Charles Manson, Dahalan and Martin Luthur King you'd only have to look for the one without blood dripping from the hands to tell who didn't belong in the group.

by the religion of Peace in 60 countries that now demands to steal the very tiny only country of the Jews too. Jump as much as you want if you don't like the answer, you should be a subject of Arabs and then come back here to comment.

Hey, Zev, Leave my MLK alone. Please. We do not like your States actions against the Pals.

Mr. Chandler, I agreee. This is not a smoke screen. However, Israel, as an occupation force, has committed many crines against the Palestenians. In a technologically advanced world, you cannot keep fooling the world. Quit crying fool. The IDF kills innocent Palestenians, road blocks to hospitals, bombardment of hospitals, murderring of farmers, bulldozing schools and homes of the elderly, uproots people from their neighborhoods, drops cluster bombs on civilians, and the list goes one. What do you expect to harvest? Little Palestenians handing roses to criminals?

Segregation - Jews will not be allowed to live or own property in 'Palestine', as it is against the law for Jews to own land in Eastern Palestine (Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan). The Palestinian media demonizes Jews as sub human, as certain Southerners did to blacks. Illegal Rampant Palestinian Construction is permited, Jewish construction is prohibited. etc etc On the other side... there are enough self-declared Palestinians in the Israel parliment to determine policy (Oslo only passed because of their voting for it). So Half-Back Condi Rice, should spend some more time thinking, and when she is fully cooked she'll see things properly.

Emotionally charging one stituation where one has a tremendously delicate and powerful role, and charging it in a clumsy, grotesque and wrong way is terribly dangerous. It casts a huge question mark on Rice's ability to be clear, wise, and fair.

And you, get off the back of my tax dollars. Go on your own. Non grateful.

Paul Wood, and the the State of Israel continues to ignore the shift in international public opinion. The world is fed up with Israel's behaviors.

You were very happy with the Gazans when they danced on rooftops watching the WTC attacks.

And Israel is ruled by an Apartheid army. They ruthless and their acts generate a new breed of terrorist. They plant the seed and they harvest the result. They plant a bullet in the body of a Palestenians, it blooms a bomb in the hands of a bomber.

Wrong, Lila. We, Black America, do not like what you do the Palestenians. Your system of governance and regime, is no different than the Apartheid regime in South Africa. In fact, your State, Israel, helped the Africaans deflect and resist the international pressure the old South Africam regime was facing. Your "kind" words about us African Americans mean nothing. Lift your own Apertheid and occupation against the Plaestenians.

Your usual garbage speaks of your tomented twisted mentality..... for a change, tell us something about the crimes of the zionist entreprise. Glad to see it breathless.... the end is around the corner!

Antisemites. This may, just may teach you what real Apartheid is.

20 Palestianinas killed this week so far, including policemen. The Southern US whites did not carry out such a sustained attack on the black community. I do recognise that Hamas continues to ineffectually launch missiles into Israel. I note also that the IDF seems to have stopped killing uninvolved civilians. But then killing people in Gaza is like shooting fish in a barrel. They have no way out of the ghettoe, do they?

I have two cousins who were killed by terrorists, Paul, and I don't think anyone would call them a "smokescreen." Oh, and they were killed in the 1950s, BEFORE any occupation. The idea that occupation of the West Bank is to blame for terrorism, now THAT'S a "smokescreen."

Martin Luther King was a peaceful man and the blacks of the south were not asking for their own state in what is the United States. People who blow up women and children do not deserve their own state. There is no comparison.

if you thought powell was bad !

Yes, I am familiar with the parallels that secy Rice is talking about. I remember Rosa Parks planting bombs on the Montgomery buses because she had to give up her seat. I remember Martin Luther King leading a ragged guerilla group into the Appalachian mountains, striking fear into white farmers. I remember the SNCC planting bombs in restaurants that had segregated seating. I remember white servicemen being lynched after they accidently drove into black neighborhoods. I remember white churces being blown up in Birmingham. I remember Andrew Young calling for an end to the US. It all comes back clearly now.

Excuse you Condi!! you are foolish. Blacks were the victim of racism for no reason at all. Palestinians are (oy, G-d help them) forced to stand at roadblocks etc cause THEY have killed & bombed Israel!!!!!!!!!!!!

and 270 million since the invention of their Satanic cult, 80 million Indians and the rest are mostly blacks, not to mention the 100 million black slave trade, still ongoing today in parts of Arab world. Some of those cunning Condie feels sorry for are the descendants of Arab hunters of Blacks and Slave traders. To this day the lowest subhumans for Arabs are Blacks. Nice Condi!

I guess that's the key difference between "left" and right". We all have the same wish, dream and desire for peace - only, you see hope in any situation and believe differences can be brought to the table and dealt with, whilst I've seen sufficient proof in the last 10 years that there is unfortunately, right now, no hope of a solution. We, the so called right, have moved dramatically leftwards over the past 20 years in the hope that maybe, maybe, maybe.... the other side would move too. Show me just one tiny sign of flexilibity on their side, I'll be willing to listen..... So right now, its either keep the upperhand, or capitulate.

read, "Three for Mississippi".

Mrs.Rice cannot equate US blacks with the amputating,beheading and female circumcising terrorist gangs prowling the Middle East.The Arabs in the Arab lands are living under terrible circumstances,police states,torture and apartheid are common place.It is only in Israel that Arabs are allowed press freedom,equality and democratic rights.

You personally help Zionism a lot. Whenever I have to do reserve duty in the IDF, I go because I think of demented anti-Semites like you. If there's no army, there's no Israel. If there's no Israel, I'll be at the mercy of crazy anti-Semites like you. Well, I'd rather die in battle than be at your mercy. So you are a great Zionist motivator!

First, let me apologize to anyone in an open thread I've missed this week. My main computer crashed and I'd missed the directory with saved threads in my backups. Second, Rice is a piano player who got hooked up with the Hoover Institute, she's certainly never had a clear idea on history other than her study of the Cold War. Show me where: 1) southern blacks rose up with the black majorities in Mexico and Canada and said they'd destroy the USA and evict all non-blacks from the area. 2) Israel has laws similar to the Jim Crow south. Only that would be a valid analogy.

The "blacks" in the "South" and the "North" were discriminated by an unjust society. The Jews were the ones who were most gracious to their plight. I don;t remember black suicide bombers or Qassams or threats to annilihalate the 'whites". Nor wre their attacks to annihilate the USa from anywhere in the black community nor terror groups or cells. So as they say in the "South" What she(Rice) talkin about????

At long last an American politician in a position of power with a clear understanding of the problems that the Palestinian people face whilst enduring the illegal occupation of their land by the Israeli people. There of course will be those who will say that the persecution of a people by the Israelis is due to terrorism. This is the smokescreen Israelis have been hiding behind for forty years. If Israel had not occupied Palestine there would have been no 9/11 no 7/7 no Madrid, no Beslan, no Al Qaeda, no PLO