Report: Palestinians abandon 1,000 Hebron homes under IDF, settler pressure

its a bit remanisant of what the nazis did up until the second world war ..Night of Broken Glass anyone.They wonder why the divide and resentment among the palestinian people is vented at them. looks like human rights violations to me but then again who am i to say as i dont live in the region.its a shame these so called persecuted are now the persecutors of injustice

Those were Jewish DEFENSIVE organizations, that reacted to arab terror actions.

sir - never in any of my posts did i say it was acceptable to kill jews. i was simply pointing out that it was hard to argue that jewish terrorist organizations during the mandate period took the moral high ground. they committed their fair share of atrocities, as did the arabs AND british. those same terrorists went on the become high ranking officials in israel and not much has changed to this day.

not an inference, just a plain old fashioned simple name, the same manner Mecca is mentioned. Don't sign off in spanish, momser kumu cha.

any percentages... i don't recall commenting at all about 5% bought... you really are starting to act like a lunatic, ben... lol...and besides...although i've not researched it...i'd not be surprised if it was less that that! hasta luego, pendejo...

although only by inference... and maybe the fact that no one is responding to your queries is because the answer might fuel your claims... and far be it from me to do either. however...what YOU need to understand is that the koran is strictly the word of God delivered by his angel gabriel...while the importance of "al quds" to muslims lies in mohammad's ascension into heaven... and so look for its mention in the hadeeth. hasta luego, pendejo...

While you're alleging all the ills, don't forget the Arab attack on Tel Hai, March 1920 and the Hebron Pogroms of 1929 & 1936, where innocent, unarmed Jewish civilians were murdered and raped by Arab mobs, survivors fled for the lives, abandoning homes and property to looting mobs. Also, Mt. Scopus Ambulance convoy, carrying Doctors & Nurses to Hospital duty. In your mind it's perfectly correct for Arabs to perpetrate rape & robbery, kill doctors & nurses and Jews aren't supposed to defend themselves? Deir Yassin, arabs were sniping at Jewish Villages down below. In your warped thoughts Jews are to be targets unwilling to defend themselves.

You exibit total ignorance of the situation. Geneva accords aren't involved, it's the UN Partition Plan and the 1949 Truce. Why not try reading up on it before you pretend to be expert in the field. While you're at it, Google "WIKIPEDIA'S TIMELINES OF ARAB-ISRAEL CONFLICT", you just might learn something of what's been going on the past 49 years. If you're sick of lies, then you should take it up with the Arabs who attempted to conquer & destroy Israel in 1948, and in subsequent wars that they initiated. Totally disregarding any UN agreements. Since you mention WWII, just keep in mind a post-war phrase "NEVER AGAIN". I totally disdain fakers who fail to indicate where they're writing from, it clearly shows they're insincere agitators.

You blurted out a statement of 5% being bought, never supplied your source, now you Eric, acting as your daddy, trying to defend you. I really hate to disappoint you, Eric couldn't do anything at all, he's as full of hot air as you are.

ben - you exhibit less than a full understanding of the geneva accords i see. which was created in response to the nazi atrocities during WWII and of which israel IS a signatory, by the way. international law forbids acquiring territory through war. the occupation of the west bank and, until recently gaza, is legally indefensible. hitler's annexation of poland should not have been recognized just as israel's annexation of east jerusalem and other parts of the occupied territories should not be. i am so sick of the lies.

hal - i love to get a source for your information?? throwing around the word "haplogroup" is just simply not enough, sorry.

wowwww, are you serious? you need a history lesson my friend. a few examples (excluding deir yassin which you claim is fraud): December 11, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa. December 13,1947. Zionist terrorists, believed to be members of Irgun Zvai Leumi, killed 18 Arabs and wounded nearly 60 in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Lydda areas. In Jerusalem, bombs were thrown in an Arab market-place near the Damascus Gate; in Jaffa, bombs were thrown into an Arab cafe; in the Arab village of Al Abbasya, near Lydda, 12 Arabs were killed in an attack with mortars and automatic weapons. December 19, 1947. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses, in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Shall I continue??

Maybe YOU can supply the info. Everyone else is ducking, with just cause. It was never important to Muslims until recent years. If you'll look at old photos (1888) of the Haram, it looked like a garbage dump, rubish strewn all around. What a way to treat a place you call holy!! While you've stuck your two cents in, how about substantiating the 5% claim made by your buddy Apartheid? Problem with you characters is your always batting numbers and so-called facts around without one bit of proof. Our holy books have always refered to Jerusalem, your Koran doesn't make one reference. If it does, point it out, without endless circumloational blather. Put your money where your mouth is.

whether or not the koran mentions palestine is completely irrelevant to the fact that the palestinians are of the same ancestry as the jews... not everyone left the land under roman rule...which is evidenced by the fact that jews were among the population of palestine when the zionists arrived to disrupt the peaceful coexistence they shared with their christian and muslim neighbors... all three had descended in place. the place the ancestors of the european jews had fled under roman rule... bloodlines are NOT erased by religious conversion... when God promised the land to the jews and their descendents, He did NOT specify "jewish" descendents; which makes it all inclusive. so it either applies equally to those who converted to islam and christianity; or it applies none. the latter of which negates any jewish claim to palestine. so if you proclaim a "biblical right"...then it right is shared equally by the palestinians of christian and muslim faith. are you confused? i'm not!

Haven't you heard? your boys are banging away at each other. Surely, the following statement applies only to them. "But because heinous liars, violators, thieves & agitators are there."

see #283 and #312

As usual, your facts (LOL) are distorted and you can't tell the difference between your butt and your elbow. Read about Hebron, as it was. Hebron massacre In Hebron, 67 Jews were murdered. Most of them were Ashkenazi men, but there were also a dozen women and three children under the age of three. Seven of the victims were yeshiva students from the United States and Canada. Dozens of people were wounded, including many women and children. Several cases of rape, mutilation and torture were reported.[2] All of the officials in Hebron itself were Arabs, and of its 40 policemen, only one was a Jew. Raymond Cafferata, the Assistant District Superintendent of the Palestine Police, had at his command 18 mounted policemen and 15 foot, the latter old men and of little use. On hearing from car-drivers of fighting in Jerusalem, Cafferata deployed special pickets to report any unusual movement from the city and issued a request to headquarters for reinforcements. Early on Saturday a crowd armed with staves and axes appeared in the streets and stoned to death two Jewish boys. Cafferata shot two of the mob and emptied his revolver into the crowd, but his saddle slipped and he fell to the ground, whereupon the crowd began attacking every Jewish house. Cafferata instructed his men to fetch rifles and to open fire, which they did, dispersing a portion of the crowd, but some of the remaining rioters, shouting "on to the Ghetto", managed to break through the pickets. Cafferata continued shooting, hitting many of the rioters, but his efforts were in vain; repeated calls for reinforcements from Jerusalem, Jaffa and Gaza did not produce help in time. Both Jewish and Arab businesses in the Bazaar were looted.[3] A consignment of police was sent from Jerusalem but was delayed by other violence on the way to Hebron and arrived hours too late. This later became the source of considerable acrimony.[4] Cafferata testified to the Commission of Enquiry in Jerusalem on 7 November that he had seen an Arab cutting a child's head with an axe. Behind him was an ex-police-constable standing over a woman with a dagger in his hand. Cafferata shot the assailant, who shouted "Your Honor, I am a policeman". The Times reported Cafferata's evidence to the Commission that "until the arrival of British police it was impossible to do more than keep the living Jews in the hospital safe and the streets clear [because he] was the only British officer or man in Hebron, a town of 20,000".[5]

Interesting fraction. Where did you get it from, it's highly suspicous and unbelievable? "292 Ben Jabo Only 5% of the land was bought. The rest was stolen Name: Apartheid "

Interesting point about the 5%, can you supply the source for verification? Another request, please point out where Palestine/Falastin is mentioned in the Koran, I can't seem to find it.

A number of years ago, before the Intifada, a few friends and I visited a neighboring Arab village, not far from my home. I saw an Arab man with RED hair, which I thought was rather unusual. I asked one of my friend about it, he gave a one word reply, "Crusaders". I'm still asking for help. Can anyone point to the part of the Koran that clearly mentions Palestine/Falastin. I just can't seem to find.

DNA test proved identical to arabs

armies and other conquerors were too few to have much influence on the genetic make up in the region. One might also mention that the towns and villages have obviously been continuously occupied since antiquity. This could easily be verified by a little archaeology, but it is more politically expedient to find things like "Herod's tomb" even if it is a fake.

You totally fail to undestand, what the Arabs lost in war isn't a refundable item. Since the war was started by the Arabs with the intent of stealing Israeli land, they in turn forfeited the right to revert to the original partition plan, that's long dead and buried. Additional wars iniiated by the Arabs led to forfeiture of my land. I'm dead certain that you wouldn't expect the Arabs to return Israeli land if they had won (g-d forbid). While you're sitting there peacefully in remote Australia/ZewZealand, do me one small favor and clafify for me where and when Palestine/Falastin is mentioned by name in the Koran. I'll trust your expertise AFTER I've checked out your reference points. Much thanks.

I don't discount the suffering of the Jewish people mostly at the hands of Christian Europeans but also in some cases at the hands of Arabs. What I find disgusting, is your inability to condemn Israeli policy in the occupied territories, Israeli actions are akin to ethnic cleansing...it is frankly disgusting. YOu asked: "Do you know of any Palestinian criticizing publicly Hamas and IJ for blowing up Israelis?" Perhaps you, like the Israeli leadership, have not been listening to Mahmoud Abbas. He condemend violence against Israelis OVER AND OVER AND OVER....he advocates a TWO STATE SOLUTION. And what did get for his troubles? Israel ignorned him, belittled him, and helped radicalize the Palestinian people.

have a lot in common. Can a Palestinian or any Muslim buy land or immigrate to Israel?

see 283

and you're right about "arab muslims"... but the palestinians are NOT "arab muslims"... they are palestinian muslims...and christian muslims, too... which of course is why you and your kind...and israel for that matter...prefer not to use the term "palestinian" and opt instead to label all muslims in the middle east as "arabs"... but genetic/dna studies aren't so inclined to label according to YOUR preference; and those studies show that there's no genetic difference between the jews and palestinians in palestine, and virtually no difference between palestinians and jews of european origin. the little difference that IS noted one that is easily attributed to the physical isolation between the two groups... and lo and behold; the difference between "arabs" and the jewish/palestinian gene pool is dramatic... your comments make this distinction clear...but your wording is meant to hide the fact genetically, palestinians and jews share the same bloodline...

DNA proves Arab Muslims DONT descend from Canaanites/Israelites. All Canaanites became Israelites after King David united them in his Kingdom of Israel. Israelites have high frequency of Y-chromosomal haplogroup J2, which is nonexistent in Arab Muslim populations. Arab Muslims dont come from Canaan or Israel or Palestine. Arab Muslims come from Arabia.

Why do the silent majority of good Jews not speak out. The only hope for peace in Israel is if you learn to live together. 60 years of fighting must show that the current set up is not working. Apartheid is not the answer.

Lebanon for Lebanese, Palestine for palestinians, syria for syrians and Jordan for Jordanians. Go Figure

its always good to know that you can rely on ben jabo to recite history to israel's accord... to veil the truth it can't afford... however...in ben's defense...i must say it's no pretense...he does actually believe the tales he tells...which i think is because he's lost the sense of smell...

and the land of palestine... the fact that 'palestinian' families in hebron helped their jewish neighbors by concealing them from their "arab" attackers makes clear who were the majority in hebron at the time... and the ancestral home of the palestinians IS palestine...and they ARE of your same bloodline...whether you choose to accept it or not! yours is the "propaganda"...one which denies reality in order to further your zionist agenda. YOU...who curse and malign anyone who DARES to expose the facts and to call you on your lies... YOU ARE the curse of israel... and YOU will bring its demise... have a nice day...

"Unlike the Arabs that refused to accept the UN Partition and decided they would attack and STEAL the partition portion allocated to Israel. Winners keepers, loosers weepers". You agree then Ben, that there was a portion allocated to Israel? .If so, you should recognise that this is the only area you are entitled to, and the rest should be given back. Any Palestinians living on land allocated to Israel should be fully compensated, and all jews in settlements and on any land at all that was not in the original Israel portion, should move in to said portion. Remember that international law is not based on your particular religious belief and that Jews were only given that land because of the guilt felt over the holocaust, not the torah teachings. And move your wall there too! Then there will be peace and the rest of us won't have to worry about you lot upsetting everyone else to the stage of setting off WWIII. Cool?

"In the end, we will outpopulate the Jews, and if they don`t leave the occupied territories of 1967, the only solution will be 1 BINATIONAL STATE." The Israelis have a plan to deal with this, and they are working on it right now. It is called 5 Ghetto Palestine. Eventually the Palestinians will be "persuaded" to move out of Israel proper into the guarded ghettos of Inner East Jerusalem, Outer East Jerusalem, Northern West Bank, Southern West Bank and Gaza.

Thank God I've known very few people who think like you; to whit, a zealot. Like it or not, the issue over there will be settled based on facts, not bullshit, get my point? It's apparent your "fringe" charge extends to all who disagree with zionists' policy of continued slurping and squatting on Pal land. "51" is a compilation of historical memos and letters between Jewish leaders involved in birthing "Israel". Your view that these documents/facts are "fringe" defines a zealot. There are a lot of Jews who don't agree with your characterization of the BS over there .You can't polish the occupation turd, it will never shine. Your stated views appear devoid of any hint of humanity. Did Kath give you permission to post me? I recall she instructed you last week not to post me any more BS; you are hard headed. Regards. Your hate is apparent in every posting you send.

South African by any chance.....you sound like one of the white ones that lost out when aparthied ended. You bring shame to New Zealand...move to Israel, you won't be missed.

Chanan from the US. you attack Oztralia. lets talk about Wounded Knee shall we? you do know about that dont you, or are you in denial ? Nathan

I notice Avi,old darling that when you hairy backs cant refute a statement you always attack the poster. You dont deny Maureen Ann is speaking the truth you just attack her personally. The good Dr. Goebells would have found work for you at the Ministry of Truth.

"ancient Palestine"? That's funny! First named when the Roman conquerers got tired of multiple attempts for Jews to regain our independence. Lost at the Arab jihad invasion and not used for more than a millenium under Arab and Ottoman rule, when this region was part of the Syrian administration, ruled from Damascus. Recreated by the Brits. Jews were "Palestinian Jews" but Arabs said Pal was a Brit invention and wouldn't use it. Muslim and Christian Arabs fled here from the Balkans as Europe retook it, and from the Assyrian and Armenian massacres by Ottoman Turks. UNRWA had to declare a "refugee" was someone who'd only been here 2 years, because there hadn't been enough of you living here for long. Didn't call themselves Pals until the '65 founding of the PLO. Oh, yeah, ancient all right... Meanwhile, the Jewish nation here is documented 3,000 years ago and we've been here since. We accepted your rights in UNR181 but you wouldn't accept ours and declared war.

The Muslims proudly ethnically cleansed all non-Muslims from the Arabian Peninsula and none can be citizens of SA. Jordan won't allow Jewish citizenry and it's illegal for Jews to buy property. The PA demands and ethnically cleansed nation and says it's a death penalty crime to sell land to Jews (not Israelis -- Jews). The Copts of Egypt constantly complain to the UN about the apartheid of Sharia law. The Arabs of Sudan killed more than a million animists and Christians, and are now slaughtering black Muslims. Meanwhile, Jews are allowed to live in the disputed territories and, as you said, have bought land from people willing to risk the death penalty to sell. Only in your warped little mind is Israel the apartheid State. BTW: Boston had the worst race riots, much worse than Southern states, during school desegregation and bussing. I suggest you fix your problems first.

Going by the many responses here this is all very intentional and with the approval of much the Israeli as well as American Zionist population. Its so pitiful that the best excuse for your little disgusting power trip is an event that took place in 1929, and as well the murder of Aboriginal people which happened over a century ago in Australia. It just proves that you are intentionally pushing out the Pals and abusing them as much as possible. Please do keep showing your true colors. Kahanists although considered a terrorist group is still alive and well in Israel as well as in America I see. I hope one day they put you all in Guantanamo bay and treat you just as you deserve to be treated as soon as you step foot on American soil. Jew for Jews your words are disgusting. Its too bad good innocent Americans had to die in 9-11 because of human filth like you.

"A cup of trembling unto all nations." I fear by the posts on this board that the end is even closer than I could have ever imagined. I pray for peace to you all, be it any nationality or creed. My heart aches for anyone that loses their home, Jew or Gentile. History is too full of these sorrows. Too full of this violence. I gather that is the sin nature of man and Judea will continue to be a cup of trembling until the very end. God help us all!

Your or your ancestors opted to come to Israel or were born in Eretz. Really doens't matter. Jews if Hebron are "RETURNEES" who elected to return to Hebron and the homes that their ancestors were expelled from in 1929 & 1936 Pogroms. I remember when Holon was a hell hole that only the poorest resided in, a slum. Don't be too snobbish about the RETURNEES is Hebron, they're as deserving of security as you are.

or longer than the Arabs. I note your inverted commas on Pogrom.What would you like to call it? There was no Zionism in 1820's just Arab racism. Buying land is legal a tennant may feel a property belongs to him but that's not the reality,even though the Arab tennants felt that way. Interesting how you try to justify killing a new property owner. How do you feel about Arabs who migrated from the sorrounding countries.?Not the same is it.That's apartheid.

More important supported and advocated by the Gazan's themselves. What more can be said of a people that go shooting their own kids when they're playing soccer. As the old saying goes, The enemy of my enemy is my still my enemy.

he's Jewish. He hasn't been able to prove it. Makes vague claims of his conversion, still worships Christian statues, a rather odd form of alleged Judaism. Something or someone caused him to turn from his alleged Judaism. At best, it was an aberration on his parts. It's come out that his companion is a Palestinian male, rather odd for a normal alleged Jew, then who said he was normal.

Bought for cold hard cash, eagerly and readily accepted by the seller. Legal transfer of title. It's nobody's business, including yours, what the buyer does with it, it's his to do with as he pleases. Unlike the Arabs that refused to accept the UN Partition and decided they would attack and STEAL the partition portion allocated to Israel. Winners keepers, loosers weepers.

Those who honor the murderers of children complain of ill-treatment. Only those living abroad out of harms way give a hoot!

A little info to cure your ignorance: Hebron is considered by Jews to be one of the 4 holy places in Judaism. Jerusalem, Safed and Tiberias are the other 3.The Israeli government agreed to withdraw from most of the city and allowed it to be administered by the Palestinian Authority.Hebron has had a long Jewish history: Abraham resided there after his arrival in Canaan. King David was anointed there.During the first Jewish revolt against Rome in 70 CE, it was the scene of much fighting. Jews have lived continuously in Hebron throughout the Byzantine, Arab, Mameluke and Ottoman periods. It was only in 1929 that it became temporarily free of Jews after a murderous Arab pogrom in which 67 Jews were killed.After the 6 Day War in 1967, some Jews returned.

Just because Palestinians abandon homes, businesses, it does not mean our population is dwindling. In fact it's opposite, our population in Israel, and the occupied territories is increasing at such a fast rate, that there are equally as many Arabs on ancient Palestine as Jews. It's as if there are no Jews who are leaving Israel and returning to Europe or America. In the end, we will outpopulate the Jews, and if they don't leave the occupied territories of 1967, the only solution will be 1 BINATIONAL STATE.

Hi Harry - This story was not even mentioned - and never will be by our media here. But a very specific area of "The Conflict" was covered........Gaza, and the terrible violence between Hamas and Fatah - with lots of video and tons of "tsk-tsking" by our concerned news anchors. I am not a Christian but I share your sentiments. I thought you were well spoken and reasonable in your response to "Christian Zionist" - but you must admit, it is very difficult - near immpossible - to find anything but single-directional spin on the cable networks. Sometimes it seems the whole rest of the world knows what's really going on - but us. We must be traitors if we even begin to see an Arab or Palestinian side to issues. People act like you want to have tea with the Taliban if you criticize Israel's policies! Mercy! How good are these policies for peace-loving Jews? It is SO unfair! Where's our FREE Press??

Your recommedation of books is not surprising to anyone who knows who these frauds are. Lenni Brenner is a hard core communist and a hater of the U.S. and Israel.He sees only evil in Israel and the U.S. He is speaking at U.C. Irvine (about 600 miles,round trip,from Henderson) so if you are inclined you have plently of time to get to the university. He represents all that is bad about people who want to overthrow the United States. As for your Dr....please give us his name so if we are ever in the vicinity we can avoid going to him. The fact that he dialogues with a hater like you says alot about his motives and character.

I double second your motion about Yaakov!! He has a right minded view and the naysayers hate him because he points out the difference between the 'teachings' and the 'doings' having fully studied Judaism. What he lacks is the unfairness of the zionist zealots who care not for anyone but themselves and that ilk has attacked him shamelessly and mercilessly, yet he keeps putting the right view to them. He is a credit to them and they a shame to him. Three cheers for Yaakov! He one of the most prolific right minded posters on the threads. Regards. Ballistic.

Captured in the U.K the worry what wouldreally happen if and when the U.S decides to leave Iraq,and its subsequence of it.ther will be a revolution of great prportion will beinevitable. If you think this is a commendable option then you going to see the worse scenario errupting if the Americans leave prematurely.Stop depending on the BBC,the Guardian and the rest of the media "moguls"who only need to sell papers and n=make a living out of all this. SO WHEN YOU SAY WHERE IS TODAY'S MOST IMPORTANT STORY? IT IS RIGHT WHERE IT IS. Don't expect much change in th coming weeks and months Click.It will take a hell of a long time from now on.Optimism is the name of the game.Same applies in the U.K.remember this...

Well said.

around the world like to erase 1400 years of history. They commit historical genocide, tossing 30 generations of people onto the trash heaps of history by babbling about an empty land where a few Arabs wandered about. When the Patriach of Jerusalem surrendered to the Arab caliph Omar, the agricultural land was fully occupied by the standards of the times. Invaders came and went, defeating governments and collecting taxes, but the agricultural population remained the same. Over time 90% of these people gradually converted to Islam. The rest remained Christian. These are the Palestinians.

Mr. Sullivan states: "Various palestinian groups have attempted to organise non-violent protest but to no avail". The failure of non-violent civil disobedience among the Palestinians cannot be blamed on the Israelies. The fact is that the principles of CD have never been embraced or entertained by the Palestinian secular or religious leadership. For this reason they never had a prayer of being embraced by the masses. If the Palistinian leadership had insisted that only non-violent resistance was acceptable, Israel would never have been able to prevent the Pals from achieving reasonable goals. They would have tried and there would have been, shall I dare use the word, martyrs...but eventually the movement would have prevailed. Lakshni is incorrect; the majority of Israelies have the same liberal values she alludes to...it is absurd and insulting to compare Israeli society to Nazi Germany. You also do not need recognized civil rights to organize a non-violent human rights movement.

Pogroms and masacres of Jews everywhere make me angry and i'm not ashamed of voicing my feelings. Jews were also ethnically cleansed from Hebron after having lived there for thousands of years yet you and many others in this talkback can only see what Israel has done wrong.Never what your people have done or continue doing! Your claim to be the only victim in this conflict is frankly ludicrous.Someone has to put some balance in this [so called] debate and by the way Ibrahim:this article blasting IDF for making Palestinian lives miserable in Hebron was written by an Israeli and published by an Israeli paper.Do you know of any Palestinian criticizing publicly Hamas and IJ for blowing up Israelis?Not on their life mate.Literally!!!

You complain of abuses. But your people are a bunch of murderers, who do not hesitate to enter a bar, bus or a school, and blow up innocent young kids, babies. Baby killers such as the Palestinians do not deserve compassion or understanding.

Andrew The intifada had nothing to do with your false allegations.It began at the behest of the rat Arafat when he decided once he couldn't get his own way which was a reprehensible in every way,he decided he'd get it all by starting the "intifadas" which blew into his face.What is more apart from subverting their right he neglected the populate intil believing by saying:our women have a wondrous wombs that will compensate and win the day.How ridiculous of him knowing full well that procreation does not advance by this method and it generates provery by this false premiss.Poor people who fell under his spell and suffering from false and thus this dreadful he left as his corrupt legacy.What is more he left the people at a disanvatage by taking the livelyhood of his proteges and stealing billions of $$$$ donated to him for the people which he appropriated to himself and left the populace in the state they find themselves now.Think about it before you utter such nonesense...

"pogrom" if a bunch of immigrants appeared and started buying up land with the intention of eventually taking over the entire country and expelling its inhabitants.

Read the second to last paragraph in the article and it is very clear as to which people has the murderous intentions. This is cleary obvious when Jewish Worshipers require a military escort to protect them from the pals who inhabit this ancient Jewish city.

After the events of 1929 and again in 1936 it is clear that the pals in Hebron had no intention of having a live Jew in Hebron. Again in 1998 they attacked the Isreali's 56 Jews died in the eusueing gun battles most were Isreali civilians. In 2000 - 2004 dozens more Isrealis were killed by the pals, again the pals targeted civilians most infamously a group of worshipers on their way home. Clearly the pals are unable to live in peace with Isrealis and do not deserve to share the historic Jewish city of Hebron with them.

Chaim, you are living in the past, as all you fundamentalists are. And the blood of many innocent men, women and children who are to be killed in this ongoing conflict, a conflict with no end, will be on your hands.

BEN JABO I am very pleased you reminded Yonatan of "KFAR "SAVA about the history of what happened on his doorstep where he now resides.From what i have read from him,he is not exactly a young man and he must remember what happened and likes to forget and put it out of mins and put the past behind him.But,that was not so long ago from what you say.Could it be convenience? I have found out through his posts that he is a lefty,not that it matters BUT!to call his brethren settlers who want to live in their once lost place where so many of his people perished should be a reminder if reminding needs...

Yaacov has more Jewish decency in his fingertip than all of you have in your bigoted bodies.

Yaakov A correction.When and if my post to you about Yak Sully comes out,I refered about the other yaakov from Yesha.Not in this thread but at Hillel Schoken's article.... P/S haaretz please put out my post to yaakov #253 thank you.this is a correction,but he must see my post first....

To all Zionist and Israel supporters. "YAAKOV SULLIVAN HATES THE JEWISH STATE AND DOES NOT GIVE THE JEWISH STATE ISRAEL THE RIGHT TO EXIST" His vision is for a binational state!

yaakov I am very pleased to read your response to Yak Sully.Just point blank and to the point. That he is worse than a jackass is no surprise. Is it really true he married an Arab?This is a revelation a new one on me/us.I would like to hear more about it.What a laugh,no one said anything about it before,although they chide him on his usual rhetoric. Now to my query.I just responded to another yaakov(spelt the same as yours)but he was from Yesha(he wrote it in lower case) which was not very proper now was it?Are you the same?how can it be though.You are in Jerusalem,and that other in Yesha.This is on the other forum(about Hebron)Please put me out of my misery and tell me if you are not from Yesha and living in Jerusalem okay?Thank you and God bless.

Christian Zionist says: "Congratulations Israel, A great first step! Now take back all your land Yahwah has given you. Judea, Samaria and Gaza! Don`t be concerned about what the Useless Nations (UN) says or the US listen to your God. He will always stand by you his name is on the line. You will see his power soon when Ezekial 38 takes place". My God says, "Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself" and "Do unto others as you would be done by". I believe your God says the same thing. It is sad that you have forgotten his words. Please leave us alone. We have enough to contend with without your mindless cheerleading.

Hey, maybe the "coalition" forces will retreat into Israel, and protect the settler ph*cks like they are protecting Iraqui society. Reminds me of when Rome withdrew from England. Or when the Vandals were in the North African breadbasket of the Empire. Constantinople spending all its treasure to try to oust them. Looks like entropy at work here, don't it.

a little hard to trust the non-violent resistance in those circumstances or to be in the mood to put up with its inconveniences in a gentle manner, I would think. That's not to justify the response, but to understand it. Not at all sure any other country would act differently under these circumstances. I 'm not suggesting I'm satisfied with Israel's overall position on peace vs war, I'm saying civil disobediance, while other Pals kill any Israeli they can at the same time, isn't what Gandhi or MLK had in mind.

Any right minded person would respect the emotional attachment that Jews feel to a place like Hebron because of its ancient past. But when nationalists and chauvinists translate this emotional attachment into exclusive claims there is a problem. Both Palestinian Arabs and Jews feel attachment to the same land. In the two state solution Hebron/al-Khalil is part of Palestine. I would hope that with a just political solution, as peace and stability returns, both Palestinians and Jewish Israelis will learn to respect each other's spiritual attachment. If that can be established all the religious sites and other places that have a special meaning to people everywhere in Israel/Palestine will be accessible to all. It is all a matter of mutual respect.

Read the full story instead of giving your sanitised lies by omission spin. The bottom line is there was an Arab racist pogrom against unarmed Jews and it was not the first. In 1830 roughly there was a pogrom against unarmed Jews in Safed.Spin that

civil disobedience like a dream that haunts your imagination.It is indeed tempting.Neverthless,the reality is different,as Yaakov as explained it succintly,knowing the situation in Israel.Joe of R.also knows the situation on the ground.The CD in India was undertaken whenBritain had developed homegrown liberal democratic values.The freedom fighters could hold them to those values in dire situations.It would not have worked with Hitler or Mussolini.Nor Israel either.And for civil disobedience to occur there has to be civil rights for the population to start with.Both in South Africa,in the struggle for indentured labour Gandhi could appeal to civil rights from the Empire even when the SA govt did not grant them any.Ofcourse the situation in India was even more propitious. Hard to accept historical realities!

Supported by the citizens of Israel

that by the time the Indian freedom struggle began the British in late 19thcentury had developed liberal democractic value to which they could be held by the freedomfighter and this along with other factors(also) caused the British to withdraw.CD would not have worked with Hitleror Mussolini. Neither with Israel.In fact during their correspondence when Gandhi suggested that it might have with Hitler,Martin Buber replied no(correctly in my opinion).As for the impact of the industrial rev.that is well known to most people. But that was not the issue.It's the nazi like nature of the Israeli regime.

'do we all have to start naming all the massacres committed by the jewish terrorists during the mandate period... oh wait, that was different. they were freedom fighters.' No, but it would a mighty small list. Besides the invention of Deir Yassin, how many were there? Zero is a pretty good indictator.

This ultra left wing "civil rights" group has virtually no credibility. They had no problem with Jews being deported from their homes in Gaza and elsewhere. However, if by some remote chance, this is true, it is the best news we've had in a long time! Imagine how much safer Israel would be if all terrorist infested towns became ghost towns. It's also a golden opportunity for Jews to reclaim our ancestral homes in Hebron.

Thanks to Double Clickfool Bush the south will become Shias Land. ok. But there is still the land of the Sunnis and the land of Kurds. They will give us in the West a lesson how to handle and end the Shias terror: by ethnic cleansing. They will act like the Serbs as soon the Americans would leave. Then you may write about the outrageous bloody Americans not protecting the human rigths of those trampling on them where ever they come up on their territory. The quantity of bloodshed then will depend on the religious leaders. And they are ruthless in a way we are not able to grasp less to understand in the West yet. The dog's world is its nose. So if you besmear a dog's nose with shit the whole world for the dog will consist of shit only. There is a certain analogy with the Mullahs, the el Sadrs, Nasrallahs and their followers, isn't it? So it's easy to foretell what is designed allready by the Shia guides for their folks: not ending misery and suffering.

Joe Suggestion:Why don't you look into your backyard before "casting pearls before swine"so to speak.I mean,when will your brethren stop killing each other in Ramallah? When will the various factions disappear? Like the clans,tribes,families who are a law onto themselves and kidnap the British journalist who was there acting on your behalf? I mean where does one begin to make any sense of your lot over there! It never seems to stop.A daily occurrence. One day they agree,and then oooops! Back to square one. Hamas,Fatah,Islmic Jihad,the Martyr's Brigade, PLO,PFLP on and on.One in Damascus,another in Lebanon,one in Egypt another heaven knows where.I give up! How can you stand it Joey boy? No wonder so many are fleeing the place,and emigrating to far of places. On the subject of our Holy Hebron.It is a Jewish city,never yours sorry. Change of subject.I wouldn't put too much faith on our Yak?Sully if I were you. He sounds plausible,but he is an unstable person who needs psychological treatment. A very disconcerting state with our poor Sully. If he was so enamoured with your people/plight why does he not get off his (bum) and go over and do some physical work for your lot eh? Writing is an easy option,and means not a thing. Zilch,nada,rien and just empty rhetoric. But feel free,if it makes you happy,why not.No accounting for taste is my motto. Wishing you the very best(honestly).

What has happened in Hevron is really a disgrace to all Jews everywhere. The settlers behave like the worst kind of barbarian while the soldiers look the other way. I have seen this with my own eyes and will not forget it. So many Jews suffered in order to create the Jewish state and these shameful people are degrading their sacrifice step by step.

Say, are you still gnawing on women? I saw a note on another blog from Chanah to you indicating that you had mixed up another poster with me and sent him a hate message, to which he responded appropriately. Can't keep the posters straight, eh. Just send em all hate messages from your perch OUTSIDE Israel. My how you love to beat up women. It must be indicative of your chickenhawk personality. Not to mention your stated view that women are "cows"; say, if you have a cow, how is yours? Boycott is a different poster from Ballistic, giant brain. As for education, I have had ions more than you, my pompous one, trained in grad school by the best of your people, many of whom told the absolute truth, much different than what you are espousing. Didn't get around to responding to your wrong post/poster, however, other than the gross errors in judgment you always display, there wasn't anything to respond to. As Chanah said, "Gabe, you are confused"--no truer words spoken.

One of my doctors gave me two books which you might be interested in if you have not read them: "The Transfer Agreement" by Edwin Black and "51 Documents" by Lenni Brenner. He is Jewish and told me those two books would lay out the documents which form the history of zionism, which he is against. They should be available on ebay or amazon.com. Keep slogging with hard hitting posts. Regards. Ballistic.

most of us "zionists" that have read your trash over a period of time know that you wake up every morning look in the mirror and hate the all-mighty for making u a jew, thats why you joined ism and married a arab and were deported, still the arab on the jackass in the photo at the head of this article probably makes more sense have a nice day

A very good post from a PALI. Thus my reaction. The GREAT future of Palestinians lies with Israel. Stop the resistance and the propoganda machine that enhances worldwide antisemitism. Become LOYAL citizens of Israel. I'm sure u guys would be surprised how well off u'd be. There r too many Jews who would guard ur liberties and welfare like hawks. U probably don't believe me but I'm sure of it.

...did not treat it colonies as Israel is doing..." Israel doesn't keep colonies exploiting people. Do you know how your country payed for the industrial revolution of the English in the 19th century? Every little sergeant coming back to England after some years in India was looked upon as a dud if he hadn't made the money for the rest of his live. Didn't you want to use as pseudonym A bad Indian?

Your version of history misses most of history. Although there were Jewish communities elsewhere, even at the time, the Jews were expelled from Judea by the Romans, who, as a gesture of punishment,re-named Judea after Israel' s long vanquished enenmies the Phillistines, hence "Palestine." The Arabs didn't enter Israel for over five hundred more years. The ancestors of todays' "Palestinians" however, were economic migrants from neighboring Arab countries during historic times. (Its important to remember that there were many empires that came and went, each slaughtering the locals, not to mention the Black Death) Their ancestors were not Jews but rather Arabs. Interstingly, modern genetic studies have demonstrated that European Jews are more closely related to Sepharic and Mizrachi Jews than any of these groups of Jews are to Arabs or Europeans. The history that you are trying to recite is myth. Read up first before you post.

In the rest of the world it is called "ethnic cleansing". Jimmy Carter did not tell all the facts.

The lunatics are the ones that use these children as cover. Iran used them to clear their mine fields.

Getting a little carried away with your hatred arn't you Maureen ann. Your use of the word pig shows exactly who you are and what your mindset is...I would think you have more pressing things to worry about then what is happening thousands of miles away from your island but I imagine that Jew and Israel hating comes first and foremost. When you rise each morning from the sewer you live in how many showers do you have to take before you can face the day?

But where are Israel's borders ? Who can tell ? There is every reason to say that Israel is the colonial state ... the last of the colonial states (colonies are a thing of the past since the 1960's, do you know ?).

because we're already in the last days.rapture may happen in a moment in the twinkling of an eye...then the seven years tribulation.

Sometimes I wonder if Israelis have brains... Or if a part of their brain is missing. But saying it is probably anti-semitism, is it ? Israelis are short-sighted and do not see the writing on the wall.

Arabs should leave entire city, not just part of it.

But Hebron has not been and is not Israeli territory.

wake me up when they stop talking about 1929... do we all have to start naming all the massacres committed by the jewish terrorists during the mandate period... oh wait, that was different. they were freedom fighters.

have been to palestine over the last 1400 years....how come it was still swampy and malaria infected place in 1867 .did they really care about the land or what?or they were really muslim migrant workers' descendants according to history.they became palestinians in 1967.what did they call themselves before that?arabs?egyptians?bedouins?haven't they realized that the jews were expelled by the romans from their ancestral homeland?they were scattered abroad.when they came back it was inhabited by the arabs[didn't even improve the land while the jews were away].

what abuot the 50000.00 Arab Palestinians thrown out of Kuwait for supporting the invasion by Iraq. The World was silent!

for seven years and six months;and in jerusalem he reigned thirty and three years?...........a palestinian arab king or a jewish king?

What a shame to see these persons expelled from their homes.How can the army claim to be moral when they expell civilians from their homes ? Yes, civilians who do not stand a chance and because they are Arabs.This is most shameful, racist and not tolerable.This town is an important place for the Jews but Arabs too live there, harrassing them and making their lives impossible is disgusting.

Just silliness; "Those settlers are attracting attacks upon themselves because of their illegal and provocative presence." Yeah, how dare those Jews live in Judea!

illusrates nicely my point about the difficulty of having non violent CD in Israel.

Recently, the American position on the israeli/Palestinian conflict was elucidated by barak obama. He clarified his statement that no people are suffering more than the Palestinians by blaming all of their collective suffering on Palestinian leadership. Nary a peep about the forty year old occupation. Understand that in American politics one must couch the occupation as nothing more than self-defense; simply stated, terrorism causes occupation. I suppose that the nearly 200 settlements throughout the westbank, along with the Israeli only roadways, are all a part of the cleverly designed (and benevolent) Israeli defense strategy. It does make one blush that the mainstream ?liberals? in the U.S. government that squawk so loudly about the applicability of the Geneva conventions to enemy combatants are completely silent about the Geneva conventions in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. dispensationalists are despicable. ?let god and man decree, laws for themselves and not for me."

People don't get it, weren't Israeli Jews roughed up recently INSIDE OF ISRAEL for protesting? I continue to believe force, violent or through political means by international pressure, are the only two options that will move Israel in the right direction. With the political option being dead due to the American veto, violent resistance remains the only viable option, granted it carries a very high price. I don't like the options but what is one to do. I see the situation continuing on it's downward depressing decline until we reach critical mass. Israel is a state drunk with power and to sober such a hyper-state is a major challenge. I don't have the answers.

that such a march of Palestinian women today would be met by rubber bullets or some tactic they would never think of using on violent settlers. But a determination by Palestinian society to forego all violence for a while and only engage in non-violent resistance would be another matter, both in Israeli and US public opinion. Has the violence worked so well for Palestinians since 1920 that giving non-violence a try wouldn't be worthwhile? No chance of that much discipline or solidarity within Palestine at the moment, or Israel for that matter. If Israel would show some discipline and remove settlements that are illegal even by Israel's standards, some people would take them more seriously.

Tossy You are naughty,if it is you that is. I agree with most of the story except,what was the "kink"bit?An error with the key board? Hebron is a Holy city of the Jews.We all know this.(whether you are a fake or not). That King David was anointed there and made it his capital for seven years,etc,etc. Hey!haaretz talkbackers,are you having some fun here?Not fair you know.It is a waste of one's time and effort.So,I decided to stop here before I get really angry and start using ad-hominems.Or resort to explitives......

THE ONLY REMAINI9NG APRTHEID OF ANY STURE IS MUSLIM APRTHEID AGAINST WOMEN AND DHIMMIS AND INDIAN APARTHEID AGAINST UNTOUCHABLES .

I know, it's mundane these days to read about a Palestinian homes demolished, Palestinians homes stolen and Palestinians killed by IDF, and not sure enough people appreciate the vastness of the war crimes that have accumulated over the years and over the decades. It comes in soundbites whenever we read about such abuses but before you can wrap your head around one thing, the next day we learn of more disturbing crimes and abuses, whether dealing with the wall,checkpoints,assassinations,immigration, economic seige,round ups and the crimes never end. In full display are the banalities of evil being perpetuated in a matter fact way daily. Hebron is your perfect case study of the kind of wacko mentality we are dealing with here in Zion. You got mostly Jews from Brooklyn- a few hundred or so, hold up in a few buildings behind barriers and with the support IDF troops and their tanks daily terrorize 124,000 NON-JEWISH natives. Will Israeil's be doing this if we possessed nukes?

I am shocked at your reply(LOL). An Arab old woman with an agenda against the Jews,Jerusalem and Israel. I say throw them all out including you.Israel does not need or deserve your kind.

Notice those organizations used the term 'residents' not owners. The homes in question were not owned by the Arabs. Those 'residents' were occupying Jewish homes and businesses stolen from their rightful owners in 1929. Second the Jewish Quarter is nowhere near the center of the city. The reason that it is a 'ghost town' is because of repeated Arab attacks. Over 97% of Hebron is off limits to Jews, whereas these organizations are complaining about 3%. Where are the rights for Jews? The police have harassed and arrested the Jewish owners and not the Arabs. In short the entire report is nothing but lies and a coverup for the Apartheid practises of the Arabs.

The capture by Al-Qaeda of three US soldiers in Iraq is a pivotal moment in the conflict in that country, and it hasn't been covered by Haaretz. Bush is now in desperate trouble. There is no sovereign nation for him to threaten, and no easy way for him to secure the release of the three captives. This crisis will not make the American people more determined to pursue the war. On the contrary, it will make them want to get out of the Iraq hellhole even sooner. The day when there is no US army in Iraq has been brought forward by this incident, and the vacuum will be filled by Iran. This story is of vital importance to Israel.

Are we so far gone that we can actually sit here and justify the killing of one over another? That land has "emotional attachment" and has successfully gained more value than human beings? I can't be angry, I'm too tired. Many of us are tired. Peace is not out of reach, we make it out of reach because of our petty differences and pathetic attempts to maintain our level of importance over another. Through our justifications it makes it easier to hate your neighbor, but in reality, it's made us worse. We can simply tell ourselves that it's ok, and then it becomes Ok. Neither side is completely guilty, or innocent of atrocities, anyone care to try and prove otherwise? I don't think so.

I MEAN # 167 AS WELL? This is ridiculous.I just replied to #167

Tosefta Not only was it a long epistle,but the title and content was verbatim.What do you think? I'll bet you it is....You know who I mean eh? Dare not cast asperssions because... I did say on another forum who I suspect....

Chasaboy You see the reason I said don't take offence on what clickfool says,is because it is on the same theme and no different in any of his postings.They are mere repetition,each and everytime.Never varies,I should ignore him if I were you and pay no attention whatever...

Where are the tears about this ?

Francois And has been a Jewish/Hebrew city for thousands of years.No disputing this fact! The city where our King David was annointed and made it his capital for seven years. After that to establish his Capital in Jerusalem

Raanan Givati keeps asking you, the one related to whether or not you think Israel has the right to exist?

describe who I am "Judeo Taliban" etc. is an illustration. I am actually an academic, living in Netanya and a voter, not a member, of the Meretz Party, which is for your information a fairly left-oriented political party. I personally came to it from Mapam, which was a socialist party. But never mind about that. All that I try to find out, and you seem to be very evasive about it, and it is not clear to me why one would be so about his political opinions, is simple: In reading your posts I have the impression that you question the right of the state of Israel to exist. Am I right or am I wrong. Why not answer such a simple question, and if you want, you are also welcome to elaborate about your view and explain why yes or why not. Is it a complicated question to answer for one who writes so much? P.S. You may simply call me Raanan.

Gandhi's philosophical guru was called Henry Thoreau who wrote an article called civil disobediance (also translated by Gandhi to Hindi) Acc. to it, the Civ. Dis. "clogs the machine of the system" and therefore it would work. A system can only imprison/kill so many people and after that the system breaks down..

Zeidan What you say is truth in all simplicity,and to hear it from someone who lives/lived there. I am the sort of person that does not like a person to falsify events,and thus before I say thank you for the report you are presenting here,please assure us that indeed you are an ex- Palestinian now living in Detroit.Sorry no offence. Fact remains that the "civil rights"movements particularely "Btselem"and "peace now"do more harm than good in the long run,and cause the conflict to exacerbate. The faultfalls on the shoulders of that hateful Arafat who out of vanity decided to take on the mantle of becoming the leader out and causing anarchy,and at the same time robed your people of billions. So say I and many more.Your brethren are still emigrating in their hundreds due to the contiuing "anarchy"in the territories.And not because of Israel. Will stop here because I feel so annoyed when spurious tales are promulgated here at Haaretz...

Hebron is supposed to be the "cradle" of the Jewish nation. Why? Well, the first king of Judah (David) established his seat there for 61/2 before he became king of the United Kingdom (Judah and Israel) and moved the seat of government to Jerusalem. We know little about Hebron and its civilization in those years but, of course, Abraham and the other Patriarchs and Matriarchs are buried there. The story of Abraham purchasing the burial field at Hebron seems to fit other purchase stories, of other capital cities, related in the bible. For Jerusalem, we have the story of David purchasing Arauna's threshing floor in Jerusalem (2 Samuel 24). The city of Shechem served as the first capital of the Kingdom of Israel (1 Kinks 12:25), established as such by Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim (Joseph), so we find in the Torah the purchase by Jacob-Israel of the purchase of a field in Shechem (Gen. 33:19), where Joseph was ultimately buried. (Why wasn't Jacob buried there? Because the story was told by Judeans, those who survived after the Israelians disappeared). And what about the later permanent capital of the Kingdom of Israel, Samaria? King Omri bought the Samaria Hill from one Shemer (1 Kings 16:24). It seems the ancients understood emotional attachment to their land as we are learning from the settlers today. The old and dead site is revered because your dead are buried there. The present site is held on to because your ancestors owned it and you are using it.

Various palestinian groups have attempted to organise non-violent protest but to no avail. Any form of protest entails large groups of people and this is curtailed by the IDF. People are simply not allowed to march from point A to B.Can you imagine if a large group of wmen began to march from Ramallah to Jerusalem, what would be the response? How far they would get? It would be rubber bullets. The Israeli reflex would be one of fear. To assume that the occupied Palestinian population has freedom of movement or the right to organise is nonsense. They are not allowed either. They are a subject population, under a military power, that unklike the Brits in India have no intention of abdicating their claim to being owners of the land.

Just a few months ago, Jimmy Carter was being villified By Zionists and their American supporters for using the A word. Hundreds of posts were placed here railing against his anti-semitism. Remember? Alan Dershowitz,B'Nai Brith, and AIPAC were tearing their hair out forecasting very dire things for the Jews and Israel. The year before it was Steven Spielberg and the Academy Awards. Now it seems our Jimmy was indeed correct. Apartheid Nation!

Your claim you are from USA. Are you indeed? You dont speak like a person from a Republic that _also_ got its independence from Britain, rather from an Empire? To put it straight, note America _also_ has an "untouchable" problem with African Americans. Like India, America too is working in the republican way..

SCREW THE CIVIL RIGHTS,THE PEACE NOW,and the rest who hinder the real peace for Israel. Quite correct too.I would still like Haaretz to be equally impartial and report with honesty and not in a confusing manner which is their speciality. Did you say knife in the back?They do worse than that.They stick the knife in,then proceed to dig in deeper and twist it even harder. So, Israel is in their hands?Not BLOODY LIKELY! We have other newspapers who are more balanced and do not resort to cheap jibes whenever they like.Haaretz,I know I come here to read,I detest it,BUT THEN SOMEONE HAS TO DEFEND AND PUT OUT TRUTH TO THE RIGHTS OF OUR PEOPLE,WHEN THEY ARE CONSTANTLY ACCUSED,DEGRADED AND VILIFIED....................

Are you not ashamed? What happened to Jewish values? This is why you want a Jewish state? I would imagine that during the 1930's, one could read in the facist press letters and articles expressing such reprehensible feelings against another people. I am disgusted!

Mr givati, you are not only lacking any sense of personal integrity but you are evasive even in your deceit. I am not being defensive. You make certain allegation that need to be substantiated. That is not being defensive. But you cannot do that because your are not interested in truth. Readers no doubt will see your tactic that you use here as well as under the other aliases you employ: "Financial status", "sexual orientation" "Irish Catholic" have nothing to do with the attempt by judeo taliban to ethnically cleanse Hebron or your defense of this form of racism based on a perverted concept of tribal choseness and historical destiny. Back up your allegations with evidence mr givati (you imply you have it) or stand to be seen as the fraud you really are. I think the answer to readers is already clear.

I don't think there's any proving it one way or the other, but I think persistent civil disobediance in the service of a moderate goal (i.e. a two state solution), if not used together with violence, would have been very effective in persuading Israel that peace was a real possibility, and worth more to them than the settlements. Violence against the Israelis seems to have a terrible effect on them. Probably all the communal post traumatic stress syndrome they're still suffering from the Holocaust, rubbed raw by Arab attempts to wipe them out in 3 wars and targeting of civilians within the Green Line. If Palestinians wanted to try civil disobediance today, they might want to start with demonstrations against the intra-Palestinian fighting that just flared up again.

naflush What does one expect from our dear extreme "leftists" Haaretz? I also was at JPOST and nothing to compare here with the exaggerations that flow,only to boost peoples hate like the Marilyns,and their likes. It pleases haaretz no end.Whether their subscriptions increase is "moot"otherwise I do not understand their "modus operandi" Perhaps something in the water or whatever they drink while composing such drivel is another matter. B'tselem:Who are they,where do they stem from? who subsidizes them?what benefit do they accrue by baiting their scurrilous agenda? I'd throw them out of the country,if I knew who they realy are..................

and told you I have had the very clear impression from your writings that you do not recognize Israel's right to exist. Why is it so difficult for you to simply state that my imression was either right or wrong? That you either do or don't recognize Israel's right to exist? Am I asking too much? You know, this is not a question related to neither your financial state nor to your sexual orientation. It is only one related to your opinion about a political matter about which you seem to like to write, but never to fully say what is really behind your words. Sullivan, not responding honestly to an honest question is also a response as you know, but one that will invite even more speculations. So, what is it, Sullivan, yes, no, may be?

used to justify the return of the Palestinian refugees or their descendents to Israel proper.

We really should at least attempt, mr. givati, to rise above the level of propaganda. Now, mr. givati, could I ask you to please state where you have found my statements in writing that Israel does not have a right to exist. On what do you base your allegations? Please use quotes in which your allegations can be verified? Unless you can do that then your allegations are nothing but assumptions that are filled with not any semblace of truth but hot air, which we find a great deal on this site emanating from overly zealous zionist blowhards.

your citation of the Dyer episode is irrelevant for the reasons I gave in my post.Do read it carefully.

Excuse thy have place on there website were they talk about that!

"On another issue, with all due respect, your obsession with the Mossad does you a disservice and in fact makes you look quite silly. Your recent post is a case in point: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/858965.html" As a newcomer to Talkback, James, you are clearly unaware of the existence of Zionists who fake messages from posters critical of Israel. The purpose of these fake messages is clear - to discredit the critics of Israel, to make them appear racist, anti-semitic or plain crazy. The thread you quote is a perfect example. The one message under my name in it was from a Zionist who tries to suggest I am obsessed with Mossad. (He once left a ludicrous post under my name saying that the polar icecaps were melting because Mossad had buried atomic reactors beneath them.) That you have responded in the way you did has simply demonstrated the purpose of such fakers. You rewarded him, James.

that you don't think the Jewish people has the right to its own state, and Israel it appears in your opinion is such a negative phenomenon that it simply has no right to be. Therefore, I ask again and this time I expect an answer and not yet another question: Does Israel have the right to exist in you opinion, sir?

The IDF regularly takes the Arab side in disputes bewteen Jews and Arabs in Hebron. Witness resently the attitude of the Israeli court and Peretz in their attempt to throw Jews out of their legally purchased house just a few weeks ago. Who is denied the right to walk in certain areas of Hebron by the IDF? It is Jews who are denied that right. Who was arrested for using 'bad language' in talking to an Arab? The list is endless. These pro-terrorist Jewish groups would have no objection to helping to sponsor a celebration of the 1929 Massacre of Hebron Jews Day. They are enemies of the nation.

This piece of news was posted by Israeli JEWS. All u Arab sympathizers and Jew bashers, repeat after me: Jews r protesting and exposing. Is there an equivalent voice among ArabS? Where were these "civilized Arabs when entire Jewish communities were expropriated in Egypt, Lybia, etc? I have not heard of it!! In any event , dont expect more from the run of the mill average Jew than u would of ur national: Nationalist fights result in unwelcome results everywhere. Ask the Arabs to become LOYAL ISRAELI citizens. Everyone would be the winner.

"There is plenty of evidence that Israel has been giving back land - Gaza , Sinai, Lebanese territory" All of these occupied territories were surrendered because the cost of holding onto them was greater than their value to Israel. There was no goodwill involved. All that this demonstrated was that Israel only respects and responds to force and violence - a poor lesson to teach its perceived enemies.

"Why should not Hebron be a Hebrew city?" Because it is in the middle of Palestine and has about 150,000 Palestinian residents and only 500 American Jewish invaders (plus 2,000 IDF to back them up).

Just a little extreme there, buddy. The Jews shouldn't have almost entirely abandoned their Eretz Yisrael for about 1700 years if they really wanted to own all of it. Why is that hard for anyone to understand? The overwhelming majority of people who lived there for this time were not Jewish. What kind of crazed fanatic would claim that the people who stuck it out in Palestine despite its impoverished state have no national rights in their homeland?

The Arabs were just squatting in the places they took from Jews in the first place. The wanderlust was bound to get the better of them eventually.

...of you all! I wish we could wipe all you evil and stupid people of this earth and then the rest of us could live in peace, whether jewish, muslim, christian, hindu, zoroastr, buddist, bahai, asa, or whatever. I don't care! As long as you treat your neighbor with respect!

every people has the right to exist in peace with another. No State has the right to exist at the expense of another. Neither Israel nor "The Occupied Territories" can justify the claim that it is more deserving than the other. Palestinians and Israelis lived side by side before this conflict, and they shall do so again when we all realize that our leadership is taking us nowhere but deeper into conflict, hate, and deadly battles.

as usual, the zionist revisionists change the true story of the city to justify their political views hebron has had a majority arab population since the 1500s stop complaining because you lost control of the city thousands of years ago http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebron

How many times will we continue to point the finger at each other? Israel justifies its actions against Palestinians by claiming it is self defense. Palestinians Orgs. claim they have to defend themselves and that is why they are attacking. The victims here are not the governments, or the states, but the people living in the middle of both sides. Children want school, Adults want families and safety for their families. A home, a car, and no longer fear of persecution for simply being Israeli or Palestinian. The leadership has failed miserably, the fanatics are fueling the conflicts, and the majority(the Israelis and Palestinians)who are living in this situation, are tired, afraid, and angry. Propoganda, self interest, and ignoring the problems will not make them go away. Neither will destroying Palestinian lands, homes, and lives. Palestinian organizations cannot claim attacking innocent Israelis is justified. The more attacks on the innocent, the more fanatics we will create.

The tribal imperative trumps justice here in Hebron. These gangs of judeo taliban are allowed, even sanctioned, to run roughshod over the entire old city in Hebron and Israel does nothing about it except support it and allow it to continue. Ane why? There is one reason and one reason only. Because they are Jews and the Arabs are Arabs and the IDF supports these colonists, gives then sanction and allows them to carry out their acts of violence and mayhem. Even they cannot put forward their usual propaganda that this is neccesary for security reasons. It is policy of the government and the IDF, clearly observable from their actions, that Hebron be rid of Arabs and that only Jews reside in the Old City.

May I ask you why you are calling Israel's right to exist into question?

The history of Jews in Hebron is ancient. No one is denying that nor can they deny it. What is being called into question is the conduct and the intent of these Jewish fanatics who have taken over the Old City of Hebron. This population, unlike other Jews who have lived there for millenia with the Arabs, are intent on harrassing, expelling and humiliating the entire Arab population. Parents teach this to their children, they are taught it by their teachers and rabbis and there is a pervasive culture which encourages acts of violence, scorn and humiliation. That is why these vigilantees should not be allowed to remain in Hebron. Jews who wish to live in peace and respect with their Muslims neighbours should certainly be allowed to do so.

my question to you is first and foremost: Why in your opinion Israel has no right to exist?

Why should not Hebron be a Hebrew city?

I would like to suggest to both of you and to anyone else seriously interested in the subject to read the book Independence Versus Nakba by Yoav Gelber and other articles by the same authers about the subject, some of which may be found by simply Googleing for them.

Thank you for providing me with this piece of information! Nothing justifies this Israeli atrocity of the Pals in 1956. You wrote: "unknown to them, the Israelis had slapped a curfew on the village. Following blatantly illegal orders from their commanders, the border-policemen murdered these people in cold blood"! Definately these Israeli commanders should have been dismissed from the IDF and stripped off from their ranks, because of their ILLEGAL orders and put to jail for the rest of their lives for these murders! AS for the Indian massacre; the massacre was pre-mediatated, purposeful mass-murder, where orders were not illegal, but legally followed! General Dyer did not go to jail at all! He was merely "heard"! Nevertheless murder/killing is always wrong!

Thank you so much for your interest in Ireland and its history. Catholicism is no longer the state religion of Ireland, though most of the population is Roman Catholic. The Irish Jewish community, of which I am a part, is about 3,000 almost entirely in Dublein. There are three Jewish members of the Dail. I hope you enjoy your visit to Ireland and would be happy to direct you to the Jewish cultural sights.

was a planned massacre,not happenstance.General Dyer was recalled and tried.The British were open to liberal democratic values.Which is why the Indian freedom struggle could make some headway.Having studied this struggle I cannot imagine non violent civil disobedience working with Hitler or Mussolini. In fact, there is correspondence between Martin Buber and Gandhi,where the latter suggests to MB that it could have been tried.MB correctly(I believe) disagreed.Ditto with Israel which as a state,would not have tolerated non violent cd.The British had a home grown liberal democratic tradition,which along with other factors,led eventually to their withdrawal from India.There was no repetition of the Dyer episode. To sum up: your citation of the lone Dyer incident is not relevant.

you last week. Why don't you recognize Israel's right to exist? And I would add, is your negative attitude towards Jews, Judaism and Israel characteristic of most Catholics in Ireland? Please, Sullivan, share with us you knowledge about Ireland and the Irish, but mostly, why don't you think Israel has the right to exist?

When the Islamic fundamentalist wolf goes away from the Israeli door,Israelis will be more comfortable to deal with these settlements. While Qassams come over from Gaza what part of the silent majority in Israel cares about such things?????

They claim that they are winning but in reality they are the big losers as this B'Sheker report confirms. Of course B'Sheker would like to blame the Jews, the perennial scapegoat, but it is what Arabs do to each other and to the Jews that causes their economy to falter.

Are you suggesting that Israel's policy of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from Hebron by making their lives miserable and coddling the fanatic Jewish Settlers is somehow a payback for what occured in 1929????? Shame on you for your inability to condemn Israeli policy that is GOING ON TODAY. Pathetic.

and the likes of it could ever come up with. Nothing mentioned in this "objective" report about the thousands of Gaza businesses being forced to close by the Hamas Moral Police, or the Kassam crews expelling families from their homes to be used as launching bases.

The Palestinians leaving their homes and businesses is called relocation. Hundreds of thousands of americans do it every day. Here is another example of blaming the Jews for someone elses decisions. And who is to say that many of these Pal's did not make a good choice and have a better life now. Sometimes it is just hard to make it in a place. Not many people can make it in my town, or in LA, or in NY. Humans are programed to seek out better opportunities, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Against stiff competition. No one has any idea who the first inhabitants of this land were, as if it matters. Isn't it clear from the Bible account that the land was already inhabited when Abraham arrived? So what the hell are you talking about, even from a Biblical perspective?

Post #167 was written by a Fake.

Nothing perverse about it. Jews have lived in Hebron for centuries. They have lived among the majority muslims for centuries. The fact that nationalist Jews wish to focus only and exclusively on the 1929 period pogrom (even then more Jews were saved by Muslims than were murdered) and who refuse to see that incident within its political/nationalist context,stress that sad chapter because they want to justify it in laying their claim to take total control of Hebron and drive out the Arabs. They are hardly good neighbours who wish to live peaceably with the Muslims. They despise them. And it is that fact that makes them impossible to live with in any context other than one where they are living only with Jews and in which all Arabs will eventually be expelled.That is what is really perverse!

Clickfool's utter paranoia and obsession with the Mossad is a known nuisance that the readers of Talkback have learned to put up with for many months now. Clickfool is nothing more than a pest who is infatuated with the Jewish people. You were right one in pointing out his imagination and bias. But he really is quite harmless.

Just as she dreams about how bad Jews are there come the leftist liars and confirm her worst fears. Playing with selective history and not giving the complete picture, skipping periods and events as she wishes to confirm her distorted view is her best strength. She could have well committed suicide instead to atone for the imaginary sins her imaginary Jews make.

since September 2000. They start the whole intifada rather than hard negotiating. The Palestinians and their crummy leadership are the root of all their problems yet no blame is put on them WHATSOEVER. Well I'm tired of this hypocrisy. Haaretz loves to stir the pot of anti-Israel bias. Haaretz is so wrong in so many ways. Thankfully the intelligent pro-Israeli community can put our postings to level off the playing field.

What's the point of remembering one massacre without the other? To make your side look better than in reality?

Your memory of the slaughter of 1929 is much better than your memory of Baruch Goldstein's merry little Purim prank. These were not the only murders committed by the Jewish Hebron creeps. Best allies that the terrorists could ask for in their war against a peaceful settlement.

countries in the U.N. now regret having admitted Israel to the U.N.Now that U.S.is on the downward slide,with handouts and doles declining even Micronesia will change. Time to expel Israel.It was done with former apartheid South Africa,by a simple vote of 2/3rd majority in the General Assembly,bypassing the SC.

Maybe a bit off topic, but you asked for an example of a DELIBERATE Israeli massacre of Palestinians. The massacre of Kafr Qasim, a Palestinian arab village near the Green Line, committed by Israeli border police on 29.10.1956 is one such example. It involved the cold blooded murder of 49 Palestinian civilians, including 6 women, 23 children and one unborn child. These people came back to the village after a day's work on the land. Unknown to them the Israelis had slapped a curfew on the village. Following blatantly illegal orders from their commanders the border policemen murdered these people in cold blood. The authorities tried to cover up this outrage, but eventually it came out in the open. The culprits stood trial, but received sentences of a few months in jail, reflecting how cheap the life of a Palestinian Arab is. At least the massacre of Kafr Qasim served as a legal precedent to the extent that one does not have to follow blatantly illegal orders.

I am asking the integrity of the Christian Peacemaker Team. Had they had a serious study on the Palestinian - Israeli history, can they objectively guide the Hebron residents to a peaceful compromise and coexistence with Israel? Is CPT making an effort to erase terror sponsored by the Iranian, Iraqi, and Palestinian leaders, or do they have a presence in Sderot? Hebron - I am asking the integrity of the Israeli IDF officers. They are very benevolent towards the settlers in light of the activities of the Kahane followers.

It is precisely people like you who contribute to the antisemitism in the world. I have several true Sabra friends left Israel for America. They left because they couldn't tolerate the influx of what they call Hebrew Wannabes that have made much of Israel a combination of rich Jewish foreigners and hysterical religious fanatics. These are their expressions and not mine. They left their historic homeland of Israel. And trust me, they are not 'self hating Jews'. They are proud of their cultures achievements and see those achievements being obfuscated by the actions in Israel. That said, your citations of the many atrocities are 100% correct, but that should not make you and animal. That's not what the ancient Hebrews were all about.

I am a relatively new arrival to Haaretz Talkback and I am not Jewish. You seem to be an intelligent person. Yet from what I've seen of your posts, on this story alone, you seem to have an almost Pavlovian anti Israeli reaction to any story under any circumstance. On another issue, with all due respect, your obsession with the Mossad does you a disservice and in fact makes you look quite silly. Your recent post is a case in point: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/858965.html If you wish to persuade, you should base your argument on solid evidence and facts, not your imagination and bias.

How dumb do you think we are? Btw, Muslims steal Jewish land, not the other way around.

Dear Yaakov: You write that under any agreement the Jews of Hebron will have to be taken out. My question is: will the Jewish descendants of those who used to live in Hebron be allowed to return (or at least allowed to stay). If not, would you also be in favor of allowing all the "Palestinians" in Israel to stay in Israel, or will you apply the same perverse justice to the Palestinians as you apply to the Jews?

The CPT, many of whom are brave American and British pensioners, have been present in Hebron for many years. They will welcome any visitor and show them around the old town of Hebron, where they are based. They see at first hand the brutality of the Jewish settlers against the defenseless Palestinian civilian population. Their balanced and mildly spoken testimonies are available on the Internet. Regarding the massacre of Jews in 1929, it was a brutal and despicable crime, but needs to be seen in its proper context of ever growing Zionist encroachment on Palestinian land, which came with Jewish terrorist massacring Palestinian arabs. Any self respecting Palestinian will welcome the Jewish Hebronites of 1929 and their descendants back into Hebron. The settler's agenda is altogether different. They abuse the memory of this massacre. Their purpose is ethnic cleansing. I visit Hebron regularly and I urge anyone to come and have a first hand look.

God save us all from religious zealots of every description. They are the scum of the earth. They cause mankind more misery and death than plague, famine and natural catastrophes.

Just like you, I also suffer from wishful thinking. Sometime it's so real, you can feel it. I feel sorry for you, focus on something else, the demise of Israel is not nigh. Also why are you always harping on about Israel "stealing" land. There is plenty of evidence that Israel has been giving back land - Gaza , Sinai, Lebanese territory, In fact Israel would not have the West bank, if King Hussein refused to take it back, when the Palestinians tried to assassinate him, same story with Gaza, Egypt would not have a bar of it, and Israel, Peace , but not if you dont take Gaza off us!! Now if the Arabs concentrated less on killing among themselves and others, and did not waste amunitions firing in the air, (very Macho) and came to terms with Israel, they would be much better off, financially, economically, ect...

Another unattributed source going under the title "B", offering nothing to contradict the factual reporting on the reality of Hebron under these violent colonists. As I wrote above, it will be the civil rights organisations themselves that will come under attack on this site. B represents millions in Israel and the dispora who feel these odious hatefilled colonists are doing what they should be doing. It's pay back time, baby, and they are letting the Arabs feel thir boot and, oh my God, are they enjoying humiliating and demeaning. its pathetic, but at least one can take some satsifaction that this colonist presence is only there temporarily and undr any peace agreement they will have to be taken out of Hebron.

Isn't it high time for all Jews in the diaspora to stand up and say "Not in my name"? What kind of Jewishness do these Hebron Jews represent? Yours?

Congratulations Israel, A great first step! Now take back all your land Yahwah has given you. Judea, Samaria and Gaza! Don't be concerned about what the Useless Nations (UN) says or the US listen to your God. He will always stand by you his name is on the line. You will see his power soon when Ezekial 38 takes place.

Here is an excerpt from a previous article by Gideon Levy on Hebron. www.haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/PrintArticleEn.jhtml? itemNo=623227 Every day the settlers torment their neighbors here. Every walk to school for a Palestinian child has become a journey of harassment and fear. Every shopping outing by a housewife is a journey of humiliation. Settler children kicking old women carrying baskets, settlers siccing their dogs on the elderly, garbage and feces thrown from the settlers` balconies into the courtyards of Palestinian homes, junk metal blocking the entrances of their houses, rocks thrown at any Palestinian passerby - this is the routine of life in the city. Hundreds of soldiers, border policemen and cops witness these actions and stand by idly. They occasionally exchange jokes with the rioters, and almost never stand in their way. Residents` attempts to file complaints with the police are rejected outright under various and sundry pretexts. Even when there are mass pogroms with hundreds of settlers participating - as was the case about four months ago when hundreds of settlers entered the home of Dr. Tayser Zahadi in Tel Rumeida and destroyed everything they could lay their hands on - the security forces stood on the sidelines without intervening. The rioting was documented on videotape, but no one thought to broadcast it on Israeli television. In the Tel Rumeida neighborhood, where only about a 10th of the Palestinian residents remain - 50 out of 500 families - this reality takes on monstrous proportions: The residents walk hunched over in their back yards, keeping close to the walls, whispering for fear of being heard. Children sprint home in a mad dash and neighbors move from house to house on rickety ladders. It is a haunted ghetto life - all because of a handful of rioters who live above them at the top of the neighborhood.

ACRI and B'Tselem have repeated shown their bias and poor analysis which renders their opinions far less than credible. Only fools and anti-semites rely on their analysis. Civil Rights organizations like these give all "liberal" organizations a bad name because they are blinded by anti-Israel hatred and a vision that ignores and distorts reality and truth.

"However, the report's authors also acknowledge that the settlers in Hebron and in Kiryat Arba also suffered during this period from very serious attacks perpetrated by the Palestinian terror organizations" Since when freedom fighters are terrorists? I would do the same if I was a Palestinian. What do you want them to do, to watch in horror the settlers terror actions and to greet them with rice and flowers?

Or is it just that now you can't claim that you "didn't know"? Yes you can defend it or looth it, but still, now you know. All those black and white pictures of Jews being treated like animals have now become technicoloured as the Palestinians are at the reciving end. Blood is red, but hatred is still as black as the night. I've stated it before, but the real achivement of this Haaretz talkback is that it has attracked so many extreme right wingers. Where else can we read how these sick minds work?

are going to blow up in its face. Nobody is fooled by it.And when the day of reckoning comes,nobody is going to forget it. Israel had better stop acting like a lawless bandit,a highway robber.

Well said. I completely agree with you and when people cannot see what we can see then they have lost their humanity. How people can condemn the holocaust and then say what Israel is doing is justified is beyond comprehension. It is time that the world stepped in and put an end to occupation. Israel must leave Palestinian land and there can be no more excuses.

most of their Jewish neighbors from mobs from the countryside. They saved 600 Jews who were later trucked out of the city by the British for their own safety. The Israelis should protect the Hebron Palestinians from the fanatical settlers.

The British troops opened fire: 1650 bullets used to kill 1516 human beings, Indians, women and children among the crowd, who had gathered together to listen to a non-violent speech, sitting on the grass. General Dyer said that he would have used machine-guns instead of ordinary rifles, if he could have taken in the armoured cars to the square through the narrow arch-gates. I cannot find a similar Israeli DELIBERATE, planned massacre of the Pals that would compare with the Indian incident in the 40s, can you? General Dyer explained that "he wanted to teach the 350 million Indians a lesson, they would always remember". Sad that YOU do NOT remember!

o.k chanan, what happened many years ago happened, we wer'nt as civil as we are now, so the crimes you have and still commit is in the present day and time, and we now have interent, so OUR voices are heard, unlike the old days of carrier pidgeons.

just so you know, i am an aussie of course, but i came here with a passport, what does that make me? and i wouldn't call anyone that did not commit a crime a pig, i do not generalise and neither do my fellow countrymen, i gaurantee you that they would have forgoten to exclude the good jews out of disgust as what has been done, and where do you live hypocrite? in the u.s.a of course, did they not murder as many native indians as possible to grab land and " democratise" the country now known as america?, i know original australians did NOT go on a killing spree to obtain land.and what happened in the past is in the past, we humans are supposed to be civilised as opposed to the old days, but the way i see it, it's just as bad as the old days.

What we are witnessing in Israeli behaviour is simply the ruthless greed, brutality and cowardice of a bully. Israel steals, abuses and butchers the Palestinians because it can, because they are virtually defenceless. Up to now there has been no defender of Palestinian rights - the natural candidate for the job, the United States of America, has long ago been subverted by the American Jewish Lobby. Soon the Israeli bully will have to deal with an even bigger bully - Islamic Extremism, led by a regime as vicious as it is, Iran. And who could feel the smallest bit sorry when the Israelis are made to feel real pain? They have lost the sympathy of every right-thinking individual on the planet.

Bethlehem had scores of Arab Christians leaving because of pressure from Muslims. Now in Gaza, Christians and other non Muslims are often threatened, Bible shops, internet cafes blown up so it would be no surprise that this is also happening in Hebron.

"There is no such country [as Palestine]! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria." - Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, a local Arab leader, to the Peel Commission, 1937 http://arabterrorism.tripod.com/quotes.html' Most Arabs moved into Israel during English rule. Deal with reality.

From 1968 until today, staring with the "for Jews" only policy of Moshe Levinger, we come to what we have to day in Hebron. Like Hebron, so too Jerusalem, and now the Temple Mount. These colonists in Hebron who have either driven out, with the complicity of the IDF,these Palestinian residents, or have taken over their property, have a clear message and that is hebron is for Jews only. All Arabs must go. Their rabbis inculcate that message of visceral hatred in their schools, we know what the parents teach their children by example and the children have learned well. They have turned Hebron into a charnel house in which they take great delight in flexing their power over the elderly, weak and powerless. And they and their conduct is defended and it is the civil rights organisations that will be attacked. Morality at its finest hour!

Lets dispense with International Law first.Your side ignores Hamsa specifically exludes it. As it does the UN.Your ignoring of the UN in 1948 started this mess and ignoring subsequent UN resolutions but that does not stop you from crying UN. There is war on,the intifada war started by your side as they did the 1948 war of extermination or the Hebron pogroms before that. In war there are curfews,suffering and the agressors get hit back then people like you cry foul. You want free kicks?go play somewhere in fairyland

and it's childish Naval personnel does not mean that the rest of world will bow to the Iranians. You love your doom and gloom scenario for Israel but do not see it for your way of life. Wake up Old Chap and spend a little more time ensuring your health and happiness and stop wasting your life banging on the computer in a futlile effort to sway anyone's opinion into your foolish, simple, bigoted and one-sided view of the "world".

Israel is finally doing the right thing.

The West condoned Israel ethnically cleansing 750k Palestinians in order to create a 'Jewish state'. The West condemned deportation of Albanians from Kosovo who entered illegally, calling it 'ethnic cleansing'. The West condemns deportation of Afghans from Iran who entered illegally, calls it 'ethnic cleansing'. Now the West condones the policy of ethnic cleansing of local Arabs from Hebron, Jerusalem, and looks the other way. I'm a Westerner, and not a proud one. JJ

been imposed on the indigenous population,to begin with.Israel's subsequent violations of international law,the continued Occupation of terrritory,the brutal treatment of the Palestinians,the rule of apartheid,and the current small scale reruns of the Nakba,make one pause and ask: how could this be allowed to continue?Ofcourse,earlier it was the U.S.veto in the SecurityCouncil.With the U.S. in gradual decline and simultaneously changing its policy towards Israel,one can only hope that this long standing international crime will end.

been imposed on the indigenous population,to begin with.Israel's subsequent violations of international law,the continued Occupation of terrritory,the brutal treatment of the Palestinians,the rule of apartheid,and the current small scale reruns of the Nakba,make one pause and ask: how could this be allowed to continue?Ofcourse,earlier it was the U.S.veto in the SecurityCouncil.With the U.S. in gradual decline and simultaneously changing its policy towards Israel,one can only hope that this long standing international crime will end.

been imposed on the indigenous population,to begin with.Israel's subsequent violations of international law,the continued Occupation of terrritory,the brutal treatment of the Palestinians,the rule of apartheid,and the current small scale reruns of the Nakba,make one pause and ask: how could this be allowed to continue?Ofcourse,earlier it was the U.S.veto in the SecurityCouncil.With the U.S. in gradual decline and simultaneously changing its policy towards Israel,one can only hope that this long standing international crime will end.

been imposed on the indigenous population,to begin with.Israel's subsequent violations of international law,the continued Occupation of terrritory,the brutal treatment of the Palestinians,the rule of apartheid,and the current small scale reruns of the Nakba,make one pause and ask: how could this be allowed to continue?Ofcourse,earlier it was the U.S.veto in the SecurityCouncil.With the U.S. in gradual decline and simultaneously changing its policy towards Israel,one can only hope that this long standing international crime will end.

been imposed on the indigenous population,to begin with.Israel's subsequent violations of international law,the continued Occupation of terrritory,the brutal treatment of the Palestinians,the rule of apartheid,and the current small scale reruns of the Nakba,make one pause and ask: how could this be allowed to continue?Ofcourse,earlier it was the U.S.veto in the SecurityCouncil.With the U.S. in gradual decline and simultaneously changing its policy towards Israel,one can only hope that this long standing international crime will end.

been imposed on the indigenous population,to begin with.Israel's subsequent violations of international law,the continued Occupation of terrritory,the brutal treatment of the Palestinians,the rule of apartheid,and the current small scale reruns of the Nakba,make one pause and ask: how could this be allowed to continue?Ofcourse,earlier it was the U.S.veto in the SecurityCouncil.With the U.S. in gradual decline and simultaneously changing its policy towards Israel,one can only hope that this long standing international crime will end.

If you had the faintest idea of what you are talking about you would know: 1.Jewish communities existed in Europe long before the Khazzar story. Real Jews not the ersatz variety you and the Pals spin on. 2.There are also Sephardy Jews,best not mentioned in your "case" 3.Why did the Jews not return before?Why did the "Palestinians" not demand an independent state on the W.Bank and Gaza whilst under Arab rule? 4.There was constant albeit slow Jewish migration to Israel from around the world for centuries. 5.If you bother to read the Palestinian covenant it says clearly they are part of the Arab nation.How much more clearly do you need it put? 6.What is the Palestinian language that sets them apart?

Israel is so busy doing what it has always done in the 59 miserable years of its existence - stealing desirable land from the weak by force of arms - that it doesn't notice that things are changing. Its heyday of region dominance is fading. Soon its only ally, the USA, will be in retreat from the Middle East, with its fingers badly burnt by the mad Iraq adventure. Soon it will be facing a huge and formidable enemy, Iran, with a nuclear deterrent to cancel its only strategic advantage. Soon it will be surrounded on every border by forces of Islamic extremism. Israel simply doesn't see this. It behaves as if nothing has changed or ever will change. Israel resembles a pickpocket who doesn't see the police pushing towards him through the crowd.

I agree with you; they should start using their brains rather than throwing stones at and blowing up Jews and teaching their children through a Mickey Mouse-figure in their children TV-programme to hate and kill Jews!!!! Does "Pikku-Kakkonen" urge Finnish kids to hate Russians and kill them?????? Did you qrow up in that spirit, doing just that Petteri? PEACE is the answer! WHY don't you encourage them to peace instead Petteri: to drop the stones off from their hands and to seek peace with the Jews rather than kill them? YOU have a lot to learn about the Finnish peace politics with former SU, today's Russia: an excellent example for the Pals to learn something from and to follow suit!!! Worth recommending! WHY DON`T YOU, Petteri?

slaves to people? Let the donkeys go! I hate seeing people riding on poor little donkeys and beating them to make them go faster. No one gives a damn about the silent masses of exploited and tortured animals.

Life will get better for the Palestinians when they abandon all hope of a state of their own, not complain when the Israelis take all the tasty real estate they fancy, agree to touch their forelocks and say "Yes, massuh" when an Israeli passes by, provide cheap labour for the Israeli state and a market for its products. Then peace will reign over the Land of Israel. It won't happen. With their relentless greed for land the Israelis are guaranteeing a future of misery and death for themselves.

What planet are you living on? People like you make me sick. I apologise to anyone on your behalf for disgracing our religion. People have a right to live in their own land. It is because of idiots like you that people hate Jews and Israel. You have to learn to live and respect others. 'Thou shalt not kill' Its in the torah - why dont you read it sometime... and while you are at it, why dont you go and live amongst the Palestinians and see what miserable life they have to lead under Israeli occupation.

No mate Im not an arab, Dont like them much, Im a genuine Kiwi boy' Mate Im on your side, but you have gone a bit far, I still wish you the best of luck, (Settle now, it will only get worst)

Dear Sir: I find Johnboy existence to be procative, and would like him to vacate his home. Does Johnyboy know that Jews anywhere are a provocation to others, especially given Johnyboy's tacit support to Jew haters? My wife's grandfather and family lived in Hebron until the Arab's wiped out all but her grandfather (i.e., murdered). Yet, Jews had lived in Hebron for generations. This is nothing about who "owns" the land, but simple hatred -- expressed by Johnyboy himself.

have lived in Israel longer than the Arab invaders and later Arab settlers from sorrounding Arab countries. Jews have been there longer than you and your sanctimonious Arabists have been living in Canberra. Arabs were already doing pogroms about the time Canberra was founded.Who were the Arabs slaughtering at the time? Go back where you came from.What rights,by your standards,do you have here? Maybe Terra Nullis? Set the right example.Practice what you preach.

The State of Israel is simply using its military machine to steal more land for the Greater Israel project. Nobody should be the smallest bit surprised by this. The Jews of Israel are acquiring more real estate on which to be miserable and in danger.

They're not settlers, they're RETURNEES to land and property that was stolen from them by the Arab pogroms of 1929 & 1936. those homes were the very same their fathers and grandfathers were forced from when they were killed and raped during the Hebron riots. Anti-semitism has always been there, we're used to it. We've survived a couple of thousands years in spite of it. Spanish Inquisition comes to mind as do the European Pogroms and Hitler's extermination camps. We stil remember the Romans & the Crusaders and what they did. Your ancestors didn't give a damn and we can do without your fake concern.

"Please don`t go on about the Australian Aborigines, at least they have full equal rights and the vote, apologies and compensation". They do? Just give the Aborigines back ALL their land and go home.Stop obfuscating. Jews have been living in Hebron much longer than you & your hypocrit mates have been stealing native land in Australia. Israeli Arabs have the vote they can and do win in court.

An army isn't supposed to have a soul. You want soul, go to church or the boyscouts. Better yet, learn something new, you sound like a Golem.

My friend you are a rascist!!!!! You should walk in Hebron and see how IDF stops, kicks and keeps people standing for hours randomly, because they don't care. I promise you that is one of the worst things I've ever seen

This is inevitable.A brutal military Occupation,the inhumane goal of land grab and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians(right from the start),where else could it end?We have been reading about this for some time now.The driving out of the Palestinians from Hebron is all part of the larger plan,just like the plan for building 20,000 housing units in East Jerusalem. But it will all end,not with a bang but a whimper,unless Israel changes its policies.Still not too late.The international community is disgusted,but we are waiting,to see the change.

I am also afraid that this day might come. But I am not looking forward to it. That's what keeps me posting here. Who knows, maybe the day will come that someone will listen...?? Even if it takes another 10'000 posts.... ....and another 10'000 precious minutes of my life....:)

Pali's are their own worst enemy. They've been shooting and killing each other for the past two days. Muslims can't live with each other, much less anyone else. I'll give a a bit to reflect upon. GOOGLE "WIKIPEDIA'S TIMELINES ISRAEL-ARAB CONFLICT", learn where and when the conflict started. It's not as simple as you're making it to be.

soldiers killed more Japanese per man than the fearsome and fearless Ghurkas. Keep laughing your time will come,we kicked your murderous cowardly thugs out of Timor hardly firing a shot. The murderers of 5 unarmed journalist.What heroes?Keep laughing.

I seem to recall Swiss rejection of European Jews fleeing Nazis seeking sanctuary and a safe haven, forcing them to return to Germany and extermination. All the while holding their money and jewelry securely in bank vaults. After the war and until this very day, Swiss have dragged their feet about returning what they were holding to the rightful owners. Some of it has been returned after much arm twisting and hollering. A good portion is still being unduly retained. Don't mind me, I don't put much faith in the Swiss government or it's people.

Well, it is the Palestinian people formed in the Holy Land over the last 1400 years that are the native inhabitants of the Holy Land. The Palestinian people also incorporated the Jews who were truly connected to their homeland and did not leave the Holy Land during the Roman Empire.

Well, the intifida came in response to the barbaric policy by Israel confiscating Palestinian lands for Jewish settlers who advocate the genocide of the Palestinian people. The brutality shown by IDF to anyone standing up to the entrenched occupation brought about the Palestinian uprising. Lies told by Israeli propaganda don't have a leg to stand on.

Hal - the end is nigh my friend. It's time to read Isaiah 53 before someone PUSHES THE BUTTON!

the Zaboura family lost their homes and business in Ramallah too. So did the Suleimans. Both families moderates. One owned a car rental business and the other owned a grocery store.

BJ: "You want morality, join the boyscouts. Name just ONE moral army for me, Israel will follow their example." Israel is following an example all of its own making, BEN, because it insists on living in a make-believe world called "armed conflict short of war". There are Rules of War, and there are Rules of Occupation, and Israel wants to use the former even though it is engaged in the latter. That IS highly immoral, and none of the armies in the civilized world (you know, the world that Israel likes to pretend it is a part of) has "open-fire regulations" that even remotely resemble the Israeli model. A MORAL army of a CIVILIZED Nation will NOT reply to stone-throwing with lethal weapons-fire, without warning, when it has those people under its belligerent occupation. But the IDF does. It's "open-fire regulations" allow it, and IDF soldiers are encouraged to shoot to kill. The actions of a leaderless rabble, BEN, belonging to a pariah state.