Report: Iran testing key nuclear bomb component

The fact Israel is still there while surrounded by 22 enemies proves the defense works. Countries think twice before attacking when they know their country will be obliterated. Its hard to get the people of any country to back a war that will end with a mushroom cloud in their backyard. Of course it doesn't stop militants! That's why the terrorists use the tactic you silly guy. The strategy is if you only kill a dozen Jews at a time you can cry disproportionate response when Israel tries to defend itself. Sadly, the PR tactic has worked well. With regard to Iran you want to play a semantics game about what he said, come on man! Don't be naive everyone knows what he meant!except you I guess.

PW: "Well Mark, please tell us what the other use for a URANIUM DEUTERIDE Neutron Initiator is" Well, Peter, please tell us where in that Iranian document the words "UD3 neutron initiator" are to be found. Nowhere, actually. That phrase is introduced as CONJECTURE by the Times reporter, but the actual document merely describes the need to continue researching the suitability of using TiD2 as a "replacement" (??) to avoid contamination (??) during the production of UD3. That doesn't even "prove" that Iran actually is producing UD3, much less "prove" that Iran is actually shoving that phantom UD3 into Peter Williams-conjectured "neutron initiators".

PW: "You`re both great Googlers but you both ignored the "uranium deuteride" bit." Yep, UD3 is definitely mentioned..... PW: "No other use for "uranium deuteride neutron activators".... got it?" Hang on one minute! You've just gone from "UD3" (which is mentioned) to "UD3 neutron activators" (which is nowhere mentioned). The phrase "neutron activators" is, in fact, introduced by the Times REPORTER in her analysis i.e. as a piece of conjecture. After all, the TEXT merely states that the Iranians need to continue research into using TiD2 as a means of avoiding contamination during the production of UD3. That doesn't "prove" that Iran is even producing UD3, much less "prove" that Iran is shoving the damn stuff into Iranian "neutron activators".

CJK: "you might convince yourself and those who are illeterate, but intelligent people know that neutron initiators are used exclusively in nuclear weapons." Only...... Here is the translated page, Cippie: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6955706.ece The phrase "neutron initiators" is nowhere to be found within it i.e. that phrase is linked to that document not BY THE TEXT OF THE DOCUMENT ITSELF, but by an act of conjecture by the Times reporter, who takes this: "Continuing the work of replacement materials such as TiD2 in order to avoid U contamination in the production of UD3" and then spins a silk purse from it. As in: "The technical document describes the use of a neutron source, uranium deuteride," It actually does no such thing i.e. it mentions the **PRODUCTION** of UD3, and not **USE** of UD3.

The world knows Iran is building nuclear bombs, just that they blinded by Iranian oil in their eyes and they also know the bombs are made specifically for Israel so they couldn't care less. No doubt, the Iranians will achieve success only to be annihilated by Israel. While Syria which signed a military pack with Iran will be destroyed ( Damascus ) read Isaiah 17:1 Iran is a new player and they underestimated the power of nuclear. Most nuclear armed countries use N bombs as a deterrent. If Iran thinks they can attack tiny Israel without getting a taste of their own medicine, they will soon find out the truth. It's all written in the BIBLE

You're both great Googlers but you both ignored the "uranium deuteride" bit. No other use for "uranium deuteride neutron activators".... got it?

//Neutron generators with different configurations and sizes have been designed and tested at LBNL. Their applications include neutron activation analysis, oil- well logging, boron neutron capture therapy, brachytherapy, cargo and luggage screening. A novel small point neutron source has recently been developed for radiography application. // http://www.ndt.net/article/wcndt2004/pdf/radiography/706_leung.pdf

"1-2 Designing and performing experiments to detect pulsed neutrons obtained from pulse sources, for example, from NG (neutron generator)" "The studies already performed, on which a report will be issued in the very near future, indicate that there should be no adverse or destructive consequences in using the existing NGs. As a result, provided that the necessary security and protective measures are adopted, we should be able to use the existing NGs to conduct the pulsed-neutron detection experiments and to complete some of the previous experiments." "2-2 Designing and building suitable mobile laboratories 2-3 Setting up the reactor again that produces the materials and placing it in the Glove Box 2-4 Installing and setting up the equipment required to produce source materials in the mobile laboratories 2-5 Assembling the source for the required tests" Like this!!!! http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/neutronGenerator.html

ass parked on everybody's land. Iran does not attack its neighbors every month. The cancer is embodied by those who murder and steal what belongs to others. I am afraid you are out of the loop. There are no sanctions worth salt against Iran because with the internet people now see exactly who Israel is, not what apologizers like you say she is. She is a warmongering entity, stealing Palestinian land and claiming some God given right to it even though most of the trouble makers are atheists, from Europe and are Khazars. Keep up.

intelligent people know how to use the internet........ //Commercial "neutron tubes," only a few inches long, are miniature, low-energy accelerators that produce neutrons by hitting a metal target with deuterium or tritium ions. The fusion reaction occurs between the deuterium in the beam and deuterium or tritium in the target (D-D or D-T reactions). Commercial tubes, including electronics, typically cost $100,000; they cease to function once their target is depleted of hydrogen isotopes. "Our interest in neutron generators began about five years ago, when we worked with the Earth Sciences and Engineering divisions to build a downhole logging device,"..."the researchers developed an efficient device that increased neutron output over commercial sources hundreds of times, but still fit inside a two-inch borehole// http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/neutronGenerator.html

you might convince yourself and those who are illeterate, but intelligent people know that neutron initiators are used exclusively in nuclear weapons.

katznelson:"we look around us and see thousands of iraqis killed every month in baghdad basra and mosul.tens of thousands civilians maimed.that has nothing to do with us." Are you that naive about Israeli influence in the corridors of power in Washington?who pushed for the illegal war in Iraq along with the other warmongers?or do you source your information from Sesame Street.

itzhik:"maoriboy were nukes to get into the wrong hands you would have far more to worry about then the price of oil." The trouble is itzhik,they're already in the wrong hands.

He's Jewish and lives near Hebron. And you'd probably agree with every word he says. That makes you the new Nazi.

Do Israelis realize that American cannot afford to go to the doctor? Working people in the U.S. die bc they are unable to afford healthcare. Europeans, Israelis, and the Japanese have a hard time wrapping their heads around what is a scary reality for millions of Americans. We cannot afford another war. We can't afford to go to the doctor.

Of Course they are going to wait until its too Late; they already waited too long!!!!

The reason why Iran should not be allowed to have a nuclear bomb is because of their 30 year track record in supporting world-wide terrorism. Iran would give the nuke to Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Fatah or some other terrorist group who would send a martyr to blow himself up and also the surrounding area. Iran's allies and Iran's government are already controlled by Islamic extremists who love death. They glorify suicide. Westerners, and most people on earth, I believe, love life, but you can't have rational discourse with someone who wants to kill himself and take you with him. The US discovered this in WW2 when Japanese troops and civilians killed themselves and their children rather than surrender. They sent out the kamikazes to sink US ships. Kamikaze pilots were not taught to land the airplane, just crash it into a ship, sound familiar? You can't use reason to decide what a madman will do. Remember Hitler?

And Israel wants to be the main power. iranian nukes would surely change that.

02:48 U.S. court sentences 2 Muslim terror convicts to 17, 13 years in prison (Reuters) do they think they serve justice if we compare muslim world with US luciferian lunatic structure? and when someone else sentence some US man they cry like pussies? what is wrong with this state? did lucifer fucked them up?

Iraq DID HAVE WMD's. They had uranium yellowcake which could have been used to build a dirty bomb. Iraq was receiving missiles and missile technology from North Korea. They also used chemical weapons on their own citizens. In 2002, a US Navy ship stopped a North Korean vessel from delivering missiles to Iraq. Saddam was paying "Palestinian" suicide bombers $20,000 to kill Israelis. Iraq was building a nuclear plant to better obtain uranium to use in nuclear bombs. Iran is threatening to remove Israel from the map. They are preventing the UN from inspecting their nuclear sites, although Iran has nothing to hide. Iran is supporting organizations which are internationally recognized as terrorist institutions. This is why Iran can not be trusted with a nuclear weapon.

"Israel has them for defensive purposes." Has it helped? They haven't even stopped ill equipped militants. " Iran want to "wipe Israel off the map"." I believe the comment was something along the lines of a 'stalemate'.

jb: "Here is the link to the Times of London website that includes a full translation of the orginal Iranian nuclear text in Farsi." And it seems pretty innocuous to me. After all, this is a report on how to detect pulsed neutrons, and Iran certainly would need to be able to do that if it wants to build its own "compact accelerator neutron generators". Iran is under sanction, Jacob, so if it *needs* such devices then it *will* have to build them itself, and the only question then remaining is why it would *need* such devices. Well, considering that Halliburton make these things by the score then the answer may well be: Iran needs these devices for the same reason that Halliburton makes them i.e. they are very important to the oil industry. Which, indeed, they are.

M.L.:"This report is total twaddle, starting with the line "The document revealed in the The Times of London report described the use of a neutron source, uranium deuteride, which experts said had no possible use other than in a nuclear weapon." So Mr Lincoln Googles "Neutron Source" and finds that yes... there are many neutron sources. M.L.:"One need only google the words `Compact Neutron Generator," to discover just how misleading this article is" But had Mr Lincoln Googled "Uranium Deuteride" he would have obtained a completely different answer. M.L.:"The report lies when it says "no possible use other than in a nuclear weapon."" Well Mark, please tell us what the other use for a URANIUM DEUTERIDE Neutron Initiator is?

I am astounded. The reference is not to a Compact Neutron Accelerator such as is used in modern nuclear weapons, but for a 'urchin' type initiator. Why Iran would bother developing an obsolete type of initiator is problematic. Far more suitable products are available off the shelf and which allow more precise timing of initiation than any 'urchin' could ever provide. The article, along with it's mysterious 'Dr. M', has the strong odor of the infamous 'Niger Yellow Cake Invoice' produced by the Brits as 'proof' of a non-existent Iraqi bomb program before the invasion of Iraq.

I am an experimental physicist (nuclear if you like), and I read the translation posted by Jacob Blues. I smell a forgery. It is amateurish, simple things like this need not be written down. There is essentially no content. It's as if a political science major wrote it. The last three paragraphs are a joke. Three students, 50 hours a week, what a joke. If this is the best Mossad can do, Israel is in deep trouble.

katznelson:"we look around us and see thousands of iraqis killed every month in baghdad basra and mosul.tens of thousands civilians maimed.that has nothing to do with us." Are you that naive about Israel's influence in the corridors of power in Washington?who pushed for the illegal war in Iraq along with the other warmongers?or do you source your information from Sesame Street

Having read the paper mentioned in the article I must wonder why the Iranians would be pursuing a urchin style initiator when they have far better devices available to do the job. The USA stopped using urchins for obvious reasons as soon as Compact Neutron Accelerator Tubes became available over 50 years ago. The whole paper has a strong odor of the notorious 'Yellow Cake Invoice."

Supposedly, this time "it's different". Obama is in the White House, not Bush. We are led by an administration that advocates global initiatives, not Cowboy recklessness. Diplomacy, and an open hand, not a clenched fist, was the lead of our latest Nobel Peace Prize winner. The idea of getting Iran to walk back from the precipice into the worldwide family of nations. Not start WW III. To that end, intelligence sources and releases have been used as a means to push Iran away from conflict and towards a peaceful diplomatic resolution. Qom, despite Mark of L's comments was more than just some old mine shaft. So too the knowledge that Iran is pursuing nuclear detonators. We apparently do know more than we have released, and are using that knowledge to get Iran to stand down, not get blown up. And yet, even when that is the goal, the talking heads push the idea of conspiracy theory and war (of course if its Jew driven, all the better for the haters). Change indeed.

Here is the link to the Times of London website that includes a full translation of the orginal Iranian nuclear text in Farsi. www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6955706.ece

While I am no expert in foreign languages, one would think that the Times of London would have a bit more to say on the subject given that they have photo's of the document in question availabile on their website. It seems that the issue is not just the use of a compact neutron generator (of which can be deteremined many industrial uses, one need only go to Wikipedia for the range). But to use such a device in the nuclear fuel process seems to raise more questions. What is interesting is that in this case, the Time's article includes a worrisome quote by one David Albright who points out such a potential end (nuclear weapons development). If we go back to the Israeli attack on the Syrian plant, it was Mark Lincoln himself, who raised the credibility of Mr. Albright as a legitimate scientific resource. Apparently Mr. Albright's credibility lasts only as long as Mr. Lincoln's politics agrees with him. Here's the link to the Times photo of the Iranian document: www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00659/iran_doc_659573a.pdf

It is a sad experience that our survival has been depending over decades on the so-called balance of fright between the two blocks of nuclear powers, and there is hope that nuclear disarmament will continue. It seems to be reasonable that a comparable mutual threat in the Middle East should be preferred to a preventive strike against Iran. If the NATO would be ready to ensure Isreals security in this case, it would serve also its own interests.

Iran and the nuclear threat. Need to keep the irons hot I suppose.

tony you have to try and think a little.the middle east is the region of massive car bombs and suicide bombings.they think nothing of killing a long queue of people looking for jobs.or those waiting for a bus.or even those in massive markets in say central baghdad. they do not emphathise with the suffering of victims.to that extent a bit dangerous to let them have nuclear weapons.

Are we likely to get a Sun Tan in Britain? Are there any Designer Sun Glasses that might protect us? If so, how much are they and can I buy them in Baby Blue?

MAD will not work same as it did in the cold war era...this is a different type of jihadist jew hating theocracy, and more than willing to sacrifice 10 million iranians for 6 million in israel. Rafsanjani has said it..remember him? ex president of iran? ring a bell? you are right in that attacking iran will bring other short term problems...oil prices spike, straight of hormuz blockage, terrorist attacks globally(but they do that already), hamas and hezbollah proxies retaliate(they already do that too)..BUT, in the end, it's necessary to suffer...because we'll suffer worse if iran gets the bomb and uses it..that's what most liberals just can't answer...so they prefer to cajole, talk, offer umbrellas, sanctions ..etc...none of which works with iran...this is a new paradigm and it's something every freedom loving nation should be very worried about..israel has been more than responsible with it's program for nearly 50 yrs..the arabs wont be...that's a promise...

An attack on Iran simply because they are pursuing nuclear capability is worse than stupid because the outcomes will most certainly include more that just a delay in Iran's capability to fabricate nuclear weaponry. If were Joe Average Iranian: 1) I would for sure want regime change...but I wouldn't want it crammed down my throat by the US, Israel, NATO, or the UN; 2) I would read the daily threats of sanctions and the unending calls for a military strike on my homeland...and I would realize that those who threaten me ALREADY have nukes, so I would attempt to balance the playing field; 3) I would believe that a military strike on Iran would be the ultimate sound bite for jihad propaganda, 4)I would understand that nuclear weapons have never been used against a nation that also had nuclear capability...and that the threat of mutually assured destruction worked during the Cold War and would probably do so again in the Middle East.

A secret document that appears to show that Iran was working on building nuclear weapons as recently as 2007 is "alarming" and "part of a body of evidence backing up deep concerns over Iran's nuclear program," a Western diplomatic source with knowledge of the papers told CNN on Monday. ---------------------------------------------- who is that "western diplomatic source with knowledge of the papers". tell me the names of that "western diplomatic source". and why arent the names included in the article? WHO ARE THAT WESTERN DIPLOMATIC SOURCE?

Israel has them for defensive purposes. Iran want to "wipe Israel off the map".

The above has been used since the 1950·s. All those Thermonuclear Detonations by the US and friends. So, now that the Iranian Regime has come out of the so called closet, we should expect a nuclear detonation soon enough. After all, the fiddler scientists had some help from "atomic father" AQ Khan, that was some years ago. Its only a question of time. "Out of the immense Iranian Desert a mushroom cloud appeared, then came Armageddon"! Care of,.... "Jericho"? You bet.! Good night from freezing Alps.

"Read the NPT. Iran has the right not to disclose unless it falls under the treaty. The IAEA has a duty, under the NPT not to disclose what doesn`t fall under the treaty." Iran was found to have been in breach of the NPT for 8 years, dimbulb.

As long as Israel possess a nuclear weapon, Iran has the right to do the same, period!

why nobody checks out isreal's nuclear arms and power plant

Once Iran gets nuclear warheads on long range missiles then what? Iran is not likely to attack Israel atleast directly, with Gaza and Lebanon not look to start a fight right now so short term war is unlikely but a spark would all that would be needed.

barney is a typical jew hater from palm beach...what's wrong barney? they letting jews in to the royal palm beach country club now? I know some who got in..lol...worth avenue have too many jews at taboo for you? awwwww...poor barney..jealous of the jew..it's so obvious...jews shouldn't have money like the wasps in pam beach eh barney? not allowed? only for waspy idiots like you? your little bubble world there in palm beach is a sterile gin gibson hazed polo ground with all you litle pickled drunk wasps running around in your white trousers and loafers and your yellow dinner jackets...what a disgrace you are..in fact, us jews who live in and visit palm beach laugh at you people...you're caricatures personified..how laughable..how pitiable..now run along little barney...off to pickle yourself in gin and rant about the jews...but watch it barney, we're strong now and we can and will kick your little drunk waspy ass...

I'll believe albright before I believe you buddy... it makes me laugh that you have the ego and arrogance to think that a poster on a forum like this can have more intelligence and beter information than the best experts worldwide...what a joke you are lincoln..and besides, as dick cheney remarked, if even a 1%chance exists that they are in fact seeking nukes, we must treat that as a certainty that they are in fact trying...with nukes, and a regime like irans' none of us can afford to be wrong, least of all israel. The truth is,in a perfect world free of PC leftist bullshit, israel should nuke most of it's neighbours...kill or be killed...after WWII, i dont think any israeli will meekly lie down to die... times are different and we are legitimate, moral, peaceloving and strong. Obama just said in oslo, some wars are just...this is one of them. Obama's speech was bush personified! Hit iran now , no reason to wait..these "talks" are a farce.

left wing scum, anti israel jew haters, pro iranian nutcases, all of you are so pathetically sick...all you invite is a mere ww3 scenario..and this will have been brought on by solely iran. They are a cancerous regime, have supported global terrorism for the last 40 years, and their nuke program will be the catalyst that sparks the next big war..of course, all of you deniers will blame israel, but anyone who has any credibility will see through this crap..it's a very sick day when haaretz lets itself be USED by scum like lincoln, labrhas,sam, persian, colin powell, bloodyscot, janice, et al..it's sad actually that all of you cant stand israel so much that you are willing to support a cancer like iran when in the end, they will do harm to all that you love too..war will hurt everyone..israel has responsibly had nukes 4 decades, I doubt iran much less any other arab state would be capable of the same..'MAD' will not work with these freaks..Israel,america, europe, should attack iran now.

The US is no honest broker. Why don?t we hear something like this: The White House joined European Union leaders in warning ISRAEL that it will face consequences if it does not bring its nuclear program into United Nations compliance

Iran has not signed the Addional Protocol, so it is in its right not to abide with that. By a similar logic, Israel has not signed the NPT, so they are allowed to have nuclear weapons. You can't have it both ways. If Israel is not bound by treaties it did not sign, neither is Iran.

Israel, India and Pakistan are all allowed to LEGALLY posses nukes under international law on the grounds that they have all chosen not to sign the Non Proliferation Treaty. The Shah did sign and unless Iran decides to withdraw from the NPT then they have no right to posses nukes. I also hardly think that when it comes to the most destructive weapons in world we should be discussing whats fair .. if Israel is allowed why can't Iran etc. Do you want to encourage nuclear proliferation on the grounds of being fair and not having double standards as you call it? Iran is also run by religious nuts and all it would take is for the supreme leader have a vision from Allah saying use those nukes and he would do it. They also have a president obsessed with Israels destruction. This is an issue about Iran and Iran alone not Israel

gave this news? you were the first who reported it after "the times" who send you this news? who send this news from uk and to whom? tell me.

IF TRUE, this will absolutely be great news. Where double standards exist, there will be no respect for the rule of law.

No 1 will be the great Satan - probably a carefully guarded, anonymous multi-city attack by proxy, perhaps using its extensive Latin American connexions - in the hopes of crippling the US economy and forcing it to withdraw from overseas involvement. No 2 will be Saudi Arabia and its less friendly neighbours to control the gulf and the oil taps. Only after that would Iran think of troubling Israel. Iran will not hesitate to act boldly when it thinks it can gain strategic advantage.

Oh, yes they will, and it will be Israel who will do it on behalf of the settlers who want to do what they damned well please, and this is reflective of an Israel which wants to do as it damned well pleases. Israel does not want to live with a stalemate because when shove comes to push, it needs to have an Iran without power to do anything about it. And the US judasses in the congress have their thirty pieces of silver +.

You are all liers, harrping on about iran and nuclear weapons. The same bullshit being peddled that was used to kill over a 200 000 civilians. I ask, , iran has chemical and biological weapons, how come their neighbours and the rest of the world are not in danger as you paint we would be if they had nukes ????

No... this is not a smoking gun. This is waking up one morning to an Iranian mushroom cloud. Once these news reports are verified, even the Chinese won't be able to stand against enhanced sanctions. Matter of fact, the Chinese have enough trouble with the violence in Khartoum this week. Where their oil-sector investments are looking shaky at best. And now this... little Iranian ticking bomb. Well not quite a bomb yet... only a component that triggers a nuclear bomb.

Josh Id hate to think that your people want war, but the proff is in the pudding. Just look at the comments from your fellow Israelis on here-#19 for example. We are not going for anymore of the bs- fighting wars on the behalf of a people who are the chosen of God! Which justifies the stealing of a nation! No sir there is no spinning that! #20 are you sure you know your talking about? Because it sounds like a bunch of bullshit! The "mullas" very scary - own half of Toronto? Really??? What exactly do they own and how are you privy to this info? 3rd why are you in Cali ? Living it up ha! Hollywood style..your comments seem induced by the highlife! How about you wake us up with some FACTS?

Iran does not need to reinvent the wheel. Compact Neutron Generators are commercially available and commonplace in oil field work. This report is total twaddle, starting with the line "The document revealed in the The Times of London report described the use of a neutron source, uranium deuteride, which experts said had no possible use other than in a nuclear weapon." One need only google the words 'Compact Neutron Generator," to discover just how misleading this article is. Compact Neutron Generators have MANY industrial uses. They are used for Oil Well Logging world wide. The report lies when it says "no possible use other than in a nuclear weapon." That is a lie easily disproved by any reader of Haaretz who wishes to search the words 'Compact Neutron Generator."

Titanium deuteride is used it testing because UD3 can be detected. UD3 is only used when you are ready to make the nukes and can be used for both uranium and plutonium nukes but mainly the latter. High explosives are used to compress a core of solid UD3 which in turn releases neutrons to ignite the core of a bomb. Iran's 1800kg would yield 70kg of WGU with 15kg to 25kg needed for a nuke. 64kg was used in Hiroshima bomb but used more than needed to be safe, also newer designs need far less. With Iran's ability to build centrifuges and large supply of uranium ore, albeit poor quality, if Iran want nukes they will get them at some point, since they now have all parts needed.

country in history. "Iran claims it has nothing to hide then hides" Read the NPT. Iran has the right not to disclose unless it falls under the treaty. The IAEA has a duty, under the NPT not to disclose what doesn't fall under the treaty. "A contradiction for the average person." Only to the average ignoramus. "Any straight answers?" Always .. straight and factual.

Israel's got two problems in getting the world to attack Iran. 1) Nobody's really afraid of an Iranian nuke excpect Israel. Maybe they should be, but they're not. 2) With Shas, Bibi, Lieberman in power and the settlers apparently doing whatever they like, Israel's increasignly seen abroad, as an extremist state. Nobody wants to attack one extremist state on behalf of another extremists state. Personally, I'd probably support serious sansctions against Iran tomorrow if I saw just one senior Israeli politician who was serious about peace and a fair deal for the Pals.

This is probably would be the best news of 2009 if Iran could announce that they already have developed couple of nuclear warheads and those are in their possession. Iran must develop nuclear weapon to nuetralise nuclear Middle East.

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One doesn't have to go to the moon to prove the point that you're going to have trouble breathing,there's plenty of information on the subject.The violent history of the state of Israel is well documented Josh,as evident in articles here in Haaretz.If you ain't picking on your neighbours or treating the Palestinians like shit,then you're fighting amongst yourselves.

Israel does not care to invade Iran. Stop listening to the BS of mullahs and start thinking for yourself. Mullahs are robbing us blind with this new nuclear BS. Is anyone watching where the money goes for this supposedly nuclear peaceful program? I can guess to Russia and all the Zurich banks. I also forgot Canada. The mullahs own half of toronto now. Wake up my friend.

Israel, the US and NATO must strike Iran before it gets nuclear bombs. Iran is a threat to the entire world and must be forced to have a regime change.

SF has a new slant on Israel's foreign policy. Imagine, SF, that Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map (purely imaginary- cfr Ahamdinejad's daily diatribes). In such a theoretical case Israel makes threatening noises and talks of war.However, Israel is supposed to have nuclear weapons at this time. So why not use them? I am sure Iran would if and when it gets such weapons.Please get new glasses to help you see further than the end of your nose SF.

maoriboy when you are so one-sided in your views you cannot be taken seriously.there is no nuance in your narrative.it is all israel's fault. we look around us and see thousands of iraqis killed every month in baghdad basra and mosul.tens of thousands civilians maimed.that has nothing to do with us.but your obsession is such that you are able to convince yourself that we are the source of all the trouble. the intellect of the kindergarden.

NIghtmare_scenario--the anti-Israel reaction to worldwide and not just Israeli concerns over Iranian nuclear weapons acquisition (the IAEA has expressed its concerns and it is not Israeli or pro-Israel, the Iranians of their own free will did not disclose their Qom facility and have engaged in maneuvers on non-proliferation gestures made then retracted, this report is corroborated by Asian not Israeli sources) is to ping back and forth between claiming that these reports are all Israel-inspired lies (even though they don't come from Israel and are advanced by people not overly fond of Israel) and claiming that so-what the Iranians deserve a bomb because Israel is a warmonger that has one. General hatred of Israel is not a sober or coherent response to Iranian nuclear activities, accounting for why more and more sources unfriendly to Israel are, to my surprise, warning of the bomb and moving towards sanctions. The problem is not a bomb per se, but the current regieme with a bomb.

you would have far more to worry about then the price of oil.

cj your narrative is that of the left which i do not fault.to be logical you would have to condemn iran for so obviously trying to make nuclear bombs. it was australia and australians who vilified france for testing in their region all those years ago. but you do not take a position against iran.i put it to you that your stance is the result of your intense hatred of israel and the jewish people.

"What if Iran already has nuclear bombs? What if Iran`s military capability is a lot better than "everyone" thinks? What if Iran really can shut down all ME oil production What if oil really does go to US$500/bbl? What if the US economy really collapses?" Then: Iran can quit playing around with the West; Persia rises once again; Standard Oil goes kaput; No one can afford to drive their car; We experience the greatest depression.since the great depression. But, Ye Gods and little fishes!, what if the St. Andreas fault splits wide open and SF, USA ends up floating to Waikiki Beach? What would nightmare_scenario do then???

The iranins have chemical and bilogical weapons yet do not attack everybody as the war mongers would like us belive. They want the nuke for the same reasons they have chemical and bio weapons-defense. The day they have nuke is the day israel will be forced to the 67 lines.

Israeli officials' intensive talks with their Russian counterparts have led them to believe that Russian President Dmitry Medvedev is more willing than ever before to advance additional sanctions against the Islamic Republic. did 10 downing street secret service pressure medwedew to bow to their satanic terrorists?

I'm not imagining the Israeli psycho-right doing anything stupid with nukes tomorrow, but maybe in 10 years' time. There are some pretty nutty rabbis out there at the moment and the IDF seems to be becoming increasingly religious. Some rabbis already seem determined to see goyim as less important to God than Jews. Who knows what they might sanction in 10 years' time?

...the closer the world gets to fulfilling the prophecy of our time, a prophecy that was given more than 2,000 years ago. Most atheists and agnostics laugh at the idea that violent upheaval could happen in an enlightened age, that "some little man in the sky" chose this one nation to be the greatest point of contention for the world. What's most disturbing to me is that the rest of the world could just pretend Israel doesn't exist and get on with their lives. Instead, they obsess over it more than anything else. Looks like Zechariah 12:3 is being fulfilled to the letter.

Washington Warmongers challenge the Perpetual Peaceniks. Early in 2007 Iran planned to test initiator. Now, nearly 3 years later, sanctions to be discussed (ho hum), could be launched in January (yawn), Israel interested in drafting alternative (we'll talk your arm off, but don't lets jump into this half cocked), in case SC debates do not progress (please do not disturb). Why the big hurry? What's another year or two more or less?

2.Your scenario will last 5 minutes if oil is blocked to the total might of the E.U. and to a lesser extent the USA which is far less dependendent on M.E oil then it used to be. 3.Israel has repeatedly said military option is the last option 4.How long will economically overstretched Iran last if it bites off its own nose to spite its face by ceasing oil exports to hard currency customers and all its shipping lanes blocked? 4.What makes you think Israel is the only country seriously concerned about a nuclear armed Iran and will be acting alone? There is likely to be more than a wink and a nod if from quite a few Sunni states as well as others, if the last option goes ahead. 5."We all know--" You do?

Anyone who thinks that Israel actually wants a war has no idea of the structure of Israeli society. I suggest you come here for an extended visit before opening your mouth on a subject you know nothing about.

hopefully israel has passed the proper massage-in farsi. shavua tov, cipora

while you give many orations, we develop neutron initiators. grade: b+

what if you're wrong Peter and you start a war then realize you can't win,then the shit hits the fan.What if the Iranians manage to stop the flow of oil? You can be sure those countries who have problems maintaining their oil reserves will start with price rises then rationing"the nightmare scenario"will start with who to blame,and we all know it was the Jews "they start all the wars."

PETER, can you provide a link or quote sources for Israel's signing of the NPT or their membership of the IAEA, just to silence those Jew-haters and Anti-Semites that are prone to attack you. Cheers Richard

The US and UK are still bankrupt after the credit crunch and after the neo-cons dragged us into the last war for oil and for Israel. There's absolutely no way that the West is attacking Iran for Israel. It's inconceivable, whatever bogus intelligence documents anybody Photoshops into existence.

PARANOIA ALL OVER! ISRAEL AND IRAN CAN REACH MUTUALLY SELF ASSURED DESTRUCTION AGREEMENT . OR SOME KIND OF DETENTE'.

Dan:"Armchair terrorists will deny this, & then celebrate Iran`s bomb." These secret intelligence documents wouldn't be the work of the same people who "cooked up the evidence" on Iraq's WMD??? Of course Dan you will be celebrating no matter what the evidence is, true or false when Iran is attacked. Its understandable a violet society breeds a violet reaction,theirs nothing peaceful about the state of Israel,it was born on terror and violence and it still persists to this day.

to obstruct full inspection. Iran claims it has nothing to hide then hides. A contradiction for the average person.Any straight answers?

to obstruct full inspection. Iran claims it has nothing to hide then hides. A contradiction for the average person.Any straight answers?

This is reminiscent of the 7 year old mineshaft outside of Qom. When the IAEA got to inspect it, they verified it was an empty hole in the ground. If the document dates to 2007, Bush was aware of it, just as he was aware of the empty mineshaft outside of Qom.

from memory...

Care to quote your evidence? How high did prices go when Saddam set fire to Kuwait oil fields? How long can Iran obstruct M.E oil production.? If it tries that a).They will go broke,they are well on the way already, as oil is their only meaningful export and their shipping will be blocked. b.)the states dependent on ME oil will put their armies on full stand by.How many minutes can Iran resist all those together?Talk about hubris. If Iran has already gone nuclear why does it bother stringing the world along? if it has a production line or nuclear weapons that are so well hidden that the world knows nothing about it. It can allow FULL inspection of the other sites which it refuses to do.Why?

"It is long past time for Israel hubris to be reined in, but there does not appear to be anyone that can do that. Instead of getting the war you wish for, Israel may get its worst nightmare. I am NOT wishing a dreadful future on anyone, but just asking if Israel will get exactly what they wish for." Lame. It is IRAN which has breached the NPT and has been deceiving the world community. Maybe THEY are in the process of getting what they wished for. Why don't you blame Iran for Iran's own wrongdoings?

Sanctions will the West's excuse to say "Well we tried" while most people knew that sanctions would never wiork in the first place

...at first. Soon it will be a fait accompli, whether their installations will be attacked or not. No one will attempt a real war. But one thing (and only one) could be done, which Hillary did but not Obama: tell them, convincingly, that if they use the bomb they will be completely annihilated. Anyway, Jews will always continue to exist! I don't know about the world...

The nightmare scenario you've described will lay the groundworks for the resurrection of a new Hitler.

The "Little Boy" and "Fat man" atomic bombs that destroyed Hiroshima and Nagazaki respectively, led to the Zionist and Ayatollah atomic bombs. Let's see who strikes first. GOOD LUCK !!!

I really hope people will see through this "report" that comes out and the media does it's job by researching the facts and not mindlessly repeating hype and spin. This sounds like the BS leading up to the crazy invasion of Iraq! This is what they (the powers that be) are going to try to use to justify putting more illegal sanctions on Iran. Just like they did with Iraq. The time has come to refute these lies and ploys for what they are and that's BS! - ticked off American!

Israel has been pushing for war with Iran for several years now and aided by stories that are planted in non-Israeli press, they just may get their wish. BUT as all intelligent people know, wishes NEVER turn out quite the way the person making the wish wants. What if ... Iran already has nuclear bombs? What if Iran's military capability is a lot better than "everyone" thinks? What if Iran really can shut down all ME oil production (~40% of the world production)? What if oil really does go to US$500/bbl? What if the US economy really collapses? It is long past time for Israel hubris to be reined in, but there does not appear to be anyone that can do that. Instead of getting the war you wish for, Israel may get its worst nightmare. I am NOT wishing a dreadful future on anyone, but just asking if Israel will get exactly what they wish for. Only you can answer these questions (if you dare ask them).

this is a good news for iranian people. So now who dare to attack us?