Report: Iran almost ready to launch spy satellite into space

Iran, Go forward....we here in indonesia surely would follow your steps. We should to be the winner, REMEMBER not the looser. Your big effort has been motivated our selves here in indonesia, congratulation....

All these people Iran is a threat. The US and Israel have enough nukes to make Iran into a glass parking lot 100 times over. You guy have no faith in your defenses? All this is pure propaganda on both sides. Put all the rhetoric aside, Iran acts as rational as any other nation and will work to protect its interest. And cut the terrorism BS, the US shot down an Iranian civilian airliner and stil has not apologized or paid reparations. The pot calling the kettle back it seems.

ahhh yes, i see your one of those, not being nasty here, you know that most of the anti-american terrorists were actually backed, trained and equiped by the u.s ? you did? well good, did you ever ask yourself why they stopped backing them ? no ? well start reading up, you will need a year to do this, all in short, the american government deserted or turned against these people for their america's own benefit, it's like this example, you and i are always in bar fights, were good friends , then one day cause you feel you've had enough without warning me, you tell me i'm on my own, right there in the middle of the fight, just like that, then i get the beating of my life because of your decision and so called backing, i know what i would do, i would hunt you down, would you do the same ?

Aw, come on Paul, let's take a vote about who puts out the most "tripe"; you would win hands down. Say, I am still waiting to hear from you about the "Amos n Andy" Ethiopians Israel brought "home"--are they cooking cornbread and fried chicken for you; I believe you indicated to me in a previous post that is what blacks are good for, so, how you treating em? Since you said "Jesus" was a Roman myth the other day, I guess the black Jews brought to Israel by the gov't are "myths" too, eh?

seems to work just like the old one; say, on the left hand side, midway down, you will see "caps lock"; try hitting it every once in a while. Regards.

Forget it, my "Ballistic" is a gorgeous, muscular 87 pound male pit bull; he has a loving heart for my family, but exhibits fierce opposition to anyone causing any problems. I am afraid your dog wouldn't win on that front either!! Regards.

Hey Maureen, add to the list Paul's problems with blacks too. He calls them Amos n Andy's. I am still waiting to hear from him about the Ethiopians Israel transported "home". When I saw he called Jesus a "Roman myth", I decided there is more in his coffee than Cremora. Regards.

Israel, the Arab States, and the USA can't allow Iran to develop ICBMs with Ahmadinejad at the controls. George Bush? Are you listening?

Did you hear the story about Johnny, the seven year old boy who tugged on the store Santa's fake beard and dislodged it, exposing his clean-shaven face? Johnny exclaimed, "Hey, you're not the real Santa Claus." Without missing a beat, the store Santa replied, "Why, sure I am, Johnny. Do you think Mommy and Daddy would lie to you?" Looking sheepish and properly chastised, Johnny answered, "I guess not Santa. My Mommy and Daddy love me and they would never lie to me."

Besides Lynn, it better than killing in the name of women being witches. Only in the West. Thats why people from all over the world travelled to Baghdad to enlighten themselves right. I feel sorry for you because you live in a system where your prevented from knowing. And even more sorry that you don't seek to know the truth. It's a shame with all the services you have at your fingertips, all you talk about is jibberish. Brighten up Lynn.

I assure you it's been more than 90 million in the name of the Lord!

terrornator, it's getting boring replying to you. You should take some lessons in history 101 and maybe enlighten yourself a bit. There's plenty of proof in Guantanamo and those countless secret CIA prisons around the world where your american buddies torture and use priosners as guinea pigs. Just because there located in secret spots and the United Nations is not allowed to access them does not mean theres no proof of torture, experimentation etc. Thats what your buddies stand for, and your soldiers are great at raping people and torturing them and then using them for their sick fetishes. I'm sure one day the world will hear of the horrors and atrocities your buddies have committed and the world shall stand united against those acts. They already are realizing the horrible acts that israel is committing on a daily basis and in due time, action shall be taken.

Zionism is nothing more than a racist Ideology that calls for extremist measures to seek an independent nation. If you think thats fine then you stand with the rest of the zionist dogs. The only thing there good at is barking!

MAUREEN YOURE AREGULAR HOW MANY MUSLIM WOMEN POST ??? INSTEAD OF YAHBOO JOIN A SERIOUS EFFORT TO FREE THEM STUPIDITY DOES NOT CLING TO EITHER GENDER OR DOES IT IN YOUR CASE ???

i want to say that ,it's good for iran. and i hope that they could achieve their mission in succes, cause iran is the title of peace in world and israel is the head of terrorist

I'll believe that Iran is capable of launching a spy satellite when it happens. I do NOT believe they can. They may TRY -success is another matter.

haveing tried to post here at haaretz several times in the last few months and not having my comment posted, the conclusion is obvious; you people beat your own drum. well, as long as the american government is so generously providing for you, keep up the good life

On 5 January 2004 Iran announced it would launch three satellites in the next 18 months including it's first satellite which was an indigenous product orbited by an Iranian vehicle. Thus the article in Av Leak, which I suspect it's own editors intended it's readers to understand was disinformation, is a known fraud. There was no need to cite anonymous sources in Israel and the US when the real story was in the open. The inference is clear. The 'sources' meant to mislead and create hysteria. Don't believe me? Read the OTHER story http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/library/news/2004/space-040105-irna01.htm Don't you like being played for fools by the kind of guys who sold you the total lies that Iraq had WMD and was behind 9-11? Don't you love the fact that they think you are all fools and will fall for the same crap again? How does it feel to be a sucker for known liars?

If I understand you, Clickfool, Zionism is actually a positive expression of a nation for independence. You have difficulties with some manifestations that you consider negative, and because Zionists are involved in those manifestations, you blame the whole ideology. Did I understand you correctly?

about Muslim disrespect for women? Sounds as though you (re your posts to ballistic) have a problem with older women and grandmothers.

although alcohol is an alarming cause of death, there is an even bigger rising cause of death in the US. We are now experiencing a huge rise in deaths by illegal aliens. 45,000 in 2006 and continuing to rise. 30% of the people the US has in its prisons have committed terrible crimes and the most violent crimes. Drug cartels are kidnapping, killing and jumping the border at an alarming rate. That is a lot more problematic then alcohol. What about Lebanon. Is there any of this sort of thing in your country?

I believe I see what you mean. But, I also know that serving GOD doesn't mean one has to be a Muslim or even Jewish nor Christian for that matter. I also believe serving GOD is a great honor. But, I also believe GOD gave us different talents to serve HIM in the way HE has chosen for each of us. That is why we are all different. Since GOD did not make any one of us the same, we can all have the same honor, just different jobs. As for a true religion, I'm just not sure of that yet. I do know there is a true GOD.

Changing a cultural mindset can't happen overnight. It has to be up to them to choose the kind of democracy that will work for all of them. As you stated, things haven't changed for them for a very long time. Their governments are too polarized and too theocratic. Israel is a threat to their institutions, not to their existence. And the mullahs don't like it. They seem to be the ones who shout the loudest about the West.

"The Saudi plan...says that once Israel settles the problem of occupation a refugees, all Arab states will make peace with it." What a very generous offer. Israel will solve the refugee problem created by the Arab states, and they will recognize Israel. How about, if the Arab states help solve the refugee problem, in which case Israel could move foreward with the occupation problem.

first people complain about muslim nations not entering the modern age quickly enough, but when they do something with modern technology they are then demonized and the west, u.s. and israel in particular want to bomb them back into the dark ages. the american government is the evilist entity on the face of this planet, and the sooner americans wake up from their spiritual slumber, and quit watching 'gladiator nation' fighting shows, football games, and entertainment tonight, then we americans can one day actually become humane beings. Peace

His caps lock key is obviously stuck. Let's club together to buy him a new keyboard.

600 miles from the border of Israel is smack in Iraq. The border is just under 1000 miles away - again writing in haste thinking in km. Even so that is at the extreme range of the Shahab assuming they move right up to the border with Iraq - and the US military....

"Force a deal: Pakistan gets Kashmir, but must give up its nukes." Just who would force this deal on India and Pakistan? You must be living in a parallel universe where people act against their self interest.

"What is needed is a global deal between the main powers in the world...." At this point, two of the powers cannot even agree on a simple case of extradition in the case of polonium poisoning. Yet you think that they can agree on a new world order. You must be living in a Hilbert space.

...like Arab-Islamic-Leftist ?...I don't understand you... pd:please,answer me...ulay ani lo mebin tob...

post many to many posters, usually having to do with issues not relevant to the Haaretz article. So, which of your many questions are you referring to?

Note I corrected my mistake, immediately after my post - I note you are still attempting to cling onto the drone theory. No, C-802 is not "one of the possibilities" it is a fact. They also fired one more which sunk a civilian liner.

wanna have a go at her,along with me,my parents and my family and friends.

i think i'll go do something constructive.you guys can have all the jabs you want,their free from here on out.i just hope you pathetic twats keep watching the news and you will see!iran will not be permitted to have nukes and the pals will keep on killing themselves,day after day after day.actually it was post 284,witch woman,when i looked at first it was 283 though,so go ahead jab me because haaratz added or deleted a post.

especially since i can barely make any sence from your post.dont bullshit me about what you were or were not trying to say.you were threatening me asshole and i dont back down from anyone,especially ragheads like you.you need to worry about what is going to happen in your country,instead of how many americans die from alcohol,especially since you guys cant do anything but fight each other.you ask,can i fight,yes,sure can,just like the us military can and we dont just take on little countries.we take on the countries,big or small thats stupid enough to f88k with us.step up to the plate little boy,lets see what you got!

Colin Wright-What a pitiful loser. Instead of refuting my documented points, you discredit me calling me a Zionist lunatic. I articulately point out the factual fanatic behavior of Iran, the "Death to America" chanting, the fact of 9/11- which I physically experienced at the WTC, and the factal history of Nazi Germany. Yet I am called a Zionist propagandist. And I preach a fair 2 State solution! I love confronting jokers like you-why don't you cricize suicide bombings maiming babies? You do not want a Jewish State of Israel with even 1948 borders. You have been exposed. I doubt you are even an American Ballistic-it would be a nightmare of Iran gets bombed first. Iran will respond with threats, terrorism and oil boycotts. But they can not have the ability to commit armaggedon. They are a culture of the suicide cult/martrydom. History has taught us to attack evil before evil initiates. Iran need nukes? Why? Iran's policy since the Ayatollah is Death to America-stated so clearly.

How much of the money stolen by the oligarcs have been given to the state of Israel.While the people of russia were brought to poverty and death.So what if russia has ties with Iran.Iran did not pick them clean.

pictures of pearl harbor and of the victims of 9/11 as their burned bodies came crashing down from the sky,after they jumped from an infernio.i also seen the bodies of the 241 marines that were killed in lebannon as they slept.ive seen the carnage left by suicide bombers in israeli cafes by your palistinian buddies.whats your point koos,are you saying american and israeli carnage is worse than carnage from palestinians,muslims,japenese,or anyone else.you want to talk about israeli torture,go to iraq and watch those guys if you want to see torture.the shia's and sunni's could give anyone lessons,dont you think.why arent you condemning them for using drills on their victims then shooting them in the head,execution style.ever heard of anyone else using such barbaric methods,and if yes,give us all some proof.

GRANNY BALLISTIC, WHY DOES APERSON LIKE YOU WHO DOESNT KNOW THE LEFT FOOT FROM AJAR OF PICKLES WRITE TO HAARETZ AT ALL . WHEN YOU ARE TO DEAL WITH US PROBLEMS AS AN AMERICAN ! SITTING IN HENDERSON AT THE KEYBOARD GIVES YOU NO INSIGHT TO ANYTHING AT ALL OF WHAT IS ANYMORE THAN I WOULD WRITE TO THE NY TIMES ABOUT US MISDEEDS !!AHPPENING IN THE ARB WAR ZONES .

you can handle Ballistic and her 'rants'. You can't even see straight. Stop smoking that stuff and contact everybody when you come down. I see like minded folks stick together, a pity really---here we have the Israeli spin BS spin team. Read some of the other posters; you have a long way to go to spin BS into flowers!! As the song goes, "you gotta know when to hold em; know when to fold em". Lotta wisdom there, yessiree, there is.

IT IS YOU WHO HAVE DIFFICULTY UNDERSTANDING !!! ARE YOU WRITING TO BLAIR ABOUT THE STATE OF BRITAIN ??

Hate to bust your already busted reality check bubble, but I have no interest in the post you cite at #283; put on your glasses grandpa!! Say why don't you address some of the many posters who point out the dubious logic underlying your thinking; there are many. I do see you have addressed street language to them also, oh well. If ever you wish to address issues regarding Israel and its issues, the subject of this site, and they are understandable, they can be addressed. It appears your blood pressure is affecting your eyesight as well as your brain, no hard feelings; hey who picked your name "terrornator", and they complain about Ballistic. Regards. Keep blogging.

T I WRITE !! WHICH INDIANS DO YOU MEAN ? BRAHMINS ? UNTOUCHABLES ? MUSLIMS , BUDDHISTS ? SIKHS ,ASCETIC YOGA GURUS , HINDUS, HOLY MEN , PLEASE SPECIFY ???

were ahead or face the challange of college experience you said my post was the samewithout even you try to read it iwas talking about the biggest terror that theUSA. is facing and they cann't do anything about it do you know that alcohol kills 56000 american every year can fight tough boy or you only take on little countries like panama grenda afghansitan iraq those countries did nothing to you if crazy irish bomb oklahoma do you go invade irland get off the ired horse take rest think if you can

ISrael has no export to speak of? Where do you get your info from. Your supermarkets in NY are filled with Israeli tomatoes, cucumbers and peppers. Your Intel chip was expoerted from Israel. This past Christmas the export of gift packs of Israeli products (wines, chocolates, flowers) doubled. The flower market in Amsterdam is dominated by Israeli flowers (including tulips), and Israeli roses can be bought on every street corner in Europe and London. The turkish coffee sold in Turley is produced by an Israeli company.40% of the generic medicines sold in the USA was produced in Israel. Denial or ignorance. Neither is good.

stated in post#283.yea,and you would be bitching about that too,yessiree.

...here the only reality is my gun and guts...Arabs don't want peace..( 1200 millions vs 7 millions...if they want,tomorrow peace ) ...and I don't like to kill them...we have future...tomorrow the University...they only hatred...at home israeli people watching TV news ...they suffering...a pity...

lack thereof, of English is apparent and if you had a question, you should have stated it explicitly so it was understandable. Your posts are long with convoluted questionable logic, but what I get from them is that you are somehow unhappy with any Americans who disagree with your apparent Bush's "whack em" theory; fortunately, turn on your TV and see the war prostestors, right or wrong you are in the minority here in the US, that's a fact. Fools die young; you don't get old by being a fool, nosirree you don't. Address your vulgarities for your parents who raised you with stunted world views!

Is not my prophesy.But every day im LED to believe that it is.What the jewish writers put down on parch,is their personal story.Yet they have found away to involve us all.That is power of persuaison.The media at work.I think Chief Dan George had a better concept for pulling man together,but what the hell did he know.

"Britain wants to expand its influence in the Middle East. Major British corporation are settled in Iran and Britain rules with Iranian economy." - dzone Iran recently opened an oil trading exchange in direct competition with the one in London.

is on trial and is about to spill the bag of "lie" beans in court (Scooter Libby); yessiree, cause he wanted to discredit Joe Wilson's truth, by outing Joe's wife, that no yellowcake was purchased from Africa ; a lie neocons/Cheney/Bush trotted out to sell Americans on war!! And then you have those who argue the neocons had nothing to do with this disaster!! Poor Libby got caught in the "mouthy" trap--turns out Ari Fleischer is on tap to testify after he was given immunity shortly after he abruptly left Bush. Woe to all those who deny the excessive influence underlying these hair brain schemes and who jump off before the ship sinks! Geez, how dirty will this laundry be that gets hung on the line!! All laid out on major US news today, geez!!

whats the matter kid,did you run out of anything constructive to say?maybe you can get ballestic to adopt you,shes such a whiz at the english language,yessiree,she sure is,yessiree.

Before you embarrass yourself, check your gargle before posting: "clickfool the "shabab" sic is arabic not persian".-flashman #258 First of all, it is Shahab (pronunced sha-hob), and it is a Persian word, not arabic! Secondly, your anti-semitic cry (#255) is getting old and frankly it is a disgrace to the memory of the holocaust sufferers. Thirdly, your illiteracy 'flashes' blindingly when you share your insight in post #251. An elementary level student of history KNOWS that empires rise and fall. That's just the way it is, it's the cycle of life, pretty much like the coming and going of seasons. It's not a matter of if, but when. Interestingly, the fall comes about when you perceive of yourself as invincible. Peace to the world!

which post your talking about.as usual, you couldnt so you decide to attack my command of the english language,brilliant.i must be getting to you ignorrant ass,since you have resorted to pulling out the yessiree's,glad i could help.tell me which post your referring to,wind bag.or could it be your a lier and like belittleing people over the use of the english language.i didnt know we were going to be graded on our proper edict,or i would have tried a litle harder.are you the queen of the post's,which in turn,allows you to set the terms of proper edict?either show me proof of the post your talking about or we will all know your just a common lier that thinks her shit dont stink.oh sorry,thats not proper edict,now is it.get alife loser!

subjgated it was a qoute that meant that a number of good jews will revert to the true faith and what subject mean is a follower like the brits they are the Queen subject but only for the wrong cause but to be a subject of entity that serve god is great honor

All I asked was an opinion. It seems there is a pretty good chance there is a problem with Islam itself and its interpretation by radicals, no matter where they live. Even in the Palestinian territory. Which by the way was not mentioned in my post to you, nor was Israel. And making the assumption I live in Israel and am trying to bait you is just not the reality. Please forget I asked and continue with your egoic rant.

"Anyone who is relying on the USA of all people to save Iran from the mess its President is dragging his people into is likely to be disappointed. The Americans do not owe Iran any favours, to say the least." If this story is true, which I personally doubt, the only reason the Americans turned the Israelis back was not to save Iran, but to save themeselves from being sucked into another disastrous Middle East adventure they couldn't win.

That was a 'love'ly comment thanks. How do we get from here to there. Does Israel want peace? Of course it does. Do most arabs want peace? of course they do The problem is to have peace they have to decide what peace they want. Peace must come at a price.They dont want to pay a price.Israelis do.They have shown they do. Arab peace cannot come at Israeli submission.It can only come from win-win but it seems that its Israel that has to take all the chances. The Lebanese government is not taking chances,holding both the west and the fundamentalists close to them.Nor is Abbas (yet) Nor is Assad (he is playing both too) The west would like to empower the arab people themselves with democracy so they (the arabs) wouldnt have to suffer from these tin pot dictators and the fundamentalists.Is that so bad???? If they would accept Israel the area will be full of milk and honey and not still back in the 7th century.Meanwhile these people want 21s century weapons with 7th century mindsets

...5 of those hijackers were well and alive and were not terrorists but were working for Saudia Airlines. So with intelligence like that I doubt anything that comes from them. It's all faulty and a pack of lies. Same manner in which FOX news was reporting that Iraq was doing great and deceived its viewers on a large scale. Unfortunately the Americans as well as the israeli's get a censorized version of world events and if they had any idea of the brutality their regimes were involved in, I am sure they would be against it. The american pubic still hasn't seen pictures of thehorrible devastation from the bombing of Hiroshima and there still immune to the torture prisons in Iraq and the violence perpetrated by israeli's against the Palestinians.

your post,# 173 is the same as this one.only thing you are right about is,that we are number one.you lebanese pussies couldnt even stop a bunch of terrorist from iran,from causing all that destruction in lebannon,and for what,the lebanese people,yes right.it was in iran's best interest to attack israel from lebannon,that way fools like you have to do the fighting.hows it feel to be used,moron?dont wory,we will defeat terrorist like you,teabag and as far as iraq goes,dont blame us for the muslim animals killing their muslim brothers.hell you pricks cant stop fighting long enough to let the dust settle.you fought among yourselves before we got there and you will fight long after were gone.its in your blood,you cant help it,we all understand, but couldnt u at least quit using your women and children to hide behind?we in the west understand how you cowards fight and from now on,if you want to shoot a rocket from,say,your sisters house,putting her in danger,then so be it.fair target!

Anyone who is relying on the USA of all people to save Iran from the mess its President is dragging his people into is likely to be disappointed. The Americans do not owe Iran any favours, to say the least. If you really want to help Iran the best thing you can do is persuade their president to make peace with Jerusalem, Israel.

Can you refute this?? Mahve zaman, means disappear in time. Deliberate mistranslation? http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article16218.htm

Uh huh. I poked around a bit on your George William Thomas. His stories seem to be considerably enriched by the human imagination. Take this bit from two years ago: 'Desperate to improve images of civilian carnage, US commanders are using portable electromagnetic-frequency weapons in Fallujah and other “hot spots” in the Sunni Triangle to pacify restive neighborhoods with invisible EM radiation...But unintended side effects from the hidden rooftop transmitters are reportedly triggering violent attacks by exposed insurgents—while leading to AWOL rates of up to 15% among US forces disoriented by these same weapons, as well as the electromagnetic emanations from high-power radars, radios and “jammers”.' Perhaps the IAF did attempt to conduct recon/provocation runs over Iran -- and perhaps the US turned them back. I doubt if there's anything more to the story.

'Iran will be as strong as Nazi Germany was in a few years-unless they are stopped.' Claims like this would be funny -- except that such attitudes serve as the foundation for a programme of murderous aggression. The funny thing is the comparison to Nazi Germany. If there's anyone who's engaging in Nazi-like behavior here it's the Israel boosters. They are the ones convincing themselves they face a dire threat that justifies a homicidal response. ...and why is that such lunatic propagandists for mass murder take names like 'Honest Observation,' or Objective Analysis' or whatever? I had a good idea what I was going to read as soon as I saw the name.

I'm pretty sure GOD didn't mean for humans to be subjugated.

I think I love you. Exactly right. Each one must take responsibility for their actions and stop blaming others. It's becoming a collective mindset in the Muslim World.

It's Venice. Venice wants to revive her medieval Levantine trading empire. Watch out for those wily Venetians... After all, they invented the ghetto. Coincidence?

They don't have much else to fall back on in the way of a defense for their cause. Let's suppose you were charged with a similar mission -- say, defending flogging students for doing well in school or something that was at the same time both grossly immoral and pointless. You could do like many Jews do -- simply abandon your post. Or you could do like those who posthere do: rely on half-truths and distortions, cling desperately to delusions, resort to insult and slander. What other choices would you have? Dershowitz, 'Danny -- the Israeli one,' the author of that book 'proving' there never were any Palestinians in Palestine...all the choices are dreary and embarrassing, but they are all there is.

I believe the US Gov is helping Lebanon. 770 million pledged to the reconstruction. Hopefully it will help the Lebanese people.

"make peace with all arabs states...can Israel to choose...?" - A. Mico The Saudi Plan, which was adopted by the Arab League in 2002, says that once Israel settles the problems of occupation and refugees, all Arab states will make peace with it.Once the Syria and Palestine issues are resolved, the offer is peace with all.

messes around the world; just like the Holocaust, nobody does anything except pay lip service. Darfur shows the hypocrisy of the whiners of genocide. US would have been better served to go there and whack whoever is doing the killing, no matter what their stripe. However, Haaretz deals with problems in Israel. If your argument is that you should be allowed to treat the Pals anyway you choose cause other folks are doing bad stuff, that's a dodge and does not serve well the boast that Israel is the only democracy in the ME. As for terrornator, he appears to have some unaddressed issues and is incapable of rational discussion; that's his problem.

I read a lot of wishful thinking of the sort that was spouted off by the hawks before we conquered Iraq. Fantasies about how easy it will be, how we will suffer naught, and how the enemy will do nothing in return. People who start wars based upon juvenile fantasies of omnipotence and invulnerability usually end up surprised. The idiot Bush was babbling during his Fate of the Union address about how we were not fighting the war we intended to. . . The idiot bought his own propaganda and now he is surprised.

Danny, the 3M80 missile was originally a shipboard system. It also can be deployed as a mobile land based system and in the 3M82 variant it can be fired from aircraft. As you pointed out the C-802 is a quite different system. Iran has improved it's C-802s as it was sold antiquated versions by China in the early 90s. Iran has spent a great deal of time and money developing a capability of controlling it's littoral waters and threatening shipping in the Gulf. I would caution anyone who thinks that Iran cannot disrupt oil supplies from the gulf. I remember the Tanker war in the 1980s. At that time Iran caused great disruption and forced the US and other nations to convoy tankers. At that time, Iran was far weaker than now.

Okay, read your post. Lay out what you surmise will happen if Iran is attacked preemptively. There are religious extremists on all sides of this nasty issue and all are as bad as the other in terms of fulfilling prophesy. What do you think will be the result of what you argue?

I am not surprised that you think Paul's posts make sense given your rants. Go down all the posts today and see how many folks have told him so; your posts are on the same order in terms of nonsensical; read your responses from other posters. If the law is in your favor, cite the law; if the facts are in your favor, cite the facts; if neither is in your favor, sling BS, which you do frequently. Glad to see you have such a great command of the English language; appears you should have spent more time in school here in the US, where it is free, yessiree, it does. What is apparent is that you appear to be a few skivvies short of a full gym bag, yessiree you are. But do keep huffing and puffing; it is good for your soul. ARMY OF ONE center opens 9 am sharp on Monday!

Do you find it difficult to understand English, Paul? Is it not your first language? What is there about this sentence that is causing you problems? "Who can tell whether this story (January 18th 2007) is true, but it makes an interesting read"

I've already defined Zionism, as I see it, a few times for Talkback readers, Anat. With the best will in the world I can't keep repeating this whenever someone such as yourself asks me. Some Israelis are "Zionists" (as I would define the term), others are not. Some Jews are "Zionists", others are not. In brief, Zionism is more than a simple desire for a Jewish homeland, which many might sympathise with. It is this concept corrupted, twisted and rendered much darker by a ruthless desire to accumulate land in the name of a faux "Greater Israel", and an equally ruthless determination to let no-one stand in their way. "Zionism" has been the cause of terrible privations, terrible misery and appalling atrocities by Israel. "Zionism" is not happy, agrarian Israelis in kibbutzim, singing Hava Negila by campfires at night. "Zionism" is the dropping of a 1-tonne bomb on a crowded gaza apartment complex to kill one old man, and the slaughter of 9 sleeping children at the same time.

and then don't believe your lying eyes--see the antiwar demonstrators--what planet do you live on anyway; anybody living IN THE US knows that voters voted out people who think like you last November. As I said, Bush needs MEN; gather your arse and head to the induction center and get to Iraq where you can support what you espouse. Other points you attempted to make are not recognizable. Continue to huff and puff; facts won't change; you are in a minority; no need to go any further; I see you have been taken to task for your idiocy by a number of posters on the site. You sound like a very loose cannon; better get treatment BEFORE heading to become AN ARMY OF ONE. You are a chickenhawk, that's what you are, yessiree, spout out the BS from your easy chair. Get real!

Britain wants to expand its influence in the Middle East. Major British corporation are settled in Iran and Britain rules with Iranian economy. They want to conquer the M.E. to have new market and to rule again with all M.E. Ahm'jad is British pawn who will do dirty work for Brits. UEA and other in Persian Golf are rich with oil and truism sow Brits want piece of cake too, and this is resolt of British infuance.

Its not me Tosefta its the arabs that need to be brought forward from the past. There has to be responsibility borne out of the futility that they constantly see themselves victims of and that is their own systems.They have little in the ay of choice. I dont believe you are solving the problem.You are assuring them it it isnt THEIR problem.With this mindset you can never liberate them for giving will never be enough. There is also a strategy used by the groups that USE your kind of reason to keep up the battle and the intent is not democracy,its dominance. Its a difficult one because I want no less than your ultimate vision but I just cant believe that your way IS the way. Even arab Americans talk peace but they dont attack their own problem.Its always about Israel. You are aiding that thinking. Read Dr Richard Specks The Road Less Travelled about Responsibility and Blame.

If I didn't know better I would seriously think that you were prejudiced, little man.

You have not responded. No opinion on the question?

Now that is truly an honest observation. I wholeheartedly agree.

and he was breahting down ahmadinajad throat for the holocaust convention he told najad why are teasing our future subjects hey will good for the empire they only 5 million of them and we can trust them more than the sunni arab so lay off the wipe israel stuff let us be friend after all most of their elite are of persian origin they are asset for us -end of quote this inside info you gonna see the effect of it very soon israel will live but it will change and hizboallah wil release the prisoners soon the big losers will be the arab countries including moderate ones

look at lebanon map see were is marjayoun its one mile from broder your rant is funny .you know #1 killer and terror in usa W cannt fight it kill more people than 911 every month its under your nose you unable to defeat it now tell me your smart and can defeat any enemy Cowboys only know how to stear and wrestle cows and not live up to what god meant for humans

You are redefining terms, just to keep your goals alive while ignoring sad reality. "World Order" - An order must include some enforcement of this order, otherwise the order will fall apart. Your idea of order, democracy in the world and especially in the Middle East, is unattainable by the means used now (invasion, force). Get it? If you start thinking in realistic terms, you may get somewhere, but just envisioning is no better than dreaming. Dumb as Bush is, at least he tried something. But you have no means to offer. Some other gems: 1. "The Chaos WAS THERE before but hidden behind the interface of Saddam Hussein." You are saying that regardless of anything one would have done, there would have been chaos after Saddam. How much chaos was there after Stalin died? Yes, those people spoke Russians. So maybe you can find another example. 2. "Bush is a dodo bord figurehead for many strategists who are working on changing things in the area." Certainly Bush is not alone. Did you read that most people in the West (to say nothing about the East) consider the Invasion of Iraq to have been a mistake? Dodo picked his strategists and made a booboo. 3. "Its a shame you insist they stay where they are.? A bit of one-dimensional thinking here. In a one-dimensional world, if you don`t go one way, the alternative is the OPPOSITE way only. Try it by drawing a line on a piece of paper. In more than 1D you have many more possibilities. If I don?t like Bush?s way, it doesn?t mean that I want the Arabs to stay were they are. Evolution is another way, and you can aid it too. But here we are getting to reality, not exactly your domain. Let me suggest that you learn a little about the past. You will realize there are options to how one acts. Then get serious about the present. Start by reading critically, and seeing if what you imagine is actually being borne out by events. With this exercise, maybe you will be able to venture into the future. Maybe.

...make peace with all arabs states...can Israel to choose...? pd:answer me, I need to learn

good luck!

I don't agree with clickfool, but I do remember the article. He/she is right about it being written. On Reuters I believe. I remember it because I was upset Israel and the US may have come to some kind of loggerhead over the Iranian issue.

It did happen. I read an article to that effect late in the summer. I'm not sure what the intent, but the Israeli aircraft was turned back.

and see what real community is about. A community by the way is made up of left and right but they dont understand that as much as the corporations dont understand that global warming is too a problem. The green party dont understand that israel IS a democracy and it is dealing with totalitarian governments of which the people dont seem to care who rules them as long as they get something.

I read that as well. And I might add, much better post then ranting. The US has often said they are not going to attack Iran. Mostly I think it is just rumor mongers who start all this "he said, she said" stuff about attacking Iran. Turning the Israeli fighters back in that stand off was a good idea. It would have been an incredibly stupid thing to do.

You keep mentioning the West when posting about Arab/Muslim complaints and seem to feel this is the cause of the unrest. If this is the case, why all the killing in Darfur? The indigenous people are not Western and those are the people dying. 400,000, much more then anywhere. 2.5 million displaced. What is your opinion on this issue?

Just a note; I do agree with you on the feudalistic aspects of the ME. I also think that in Eastern Europe Greenpeace is way out of line. The people would like to have running water and indoor plumbing. Greenpeace wants it to remain "Quaint" and undeveloped. Off topic, but worth noting.

Obviously things have gone wrong for the USA in Iraq and is becoming another Vietnam. I still believe that the mass destruction weapons may have been hidden somewhere. Saddam was evil and perceived as a threat. The lesson of 9/11 was not to hide your head in the sand like an ostrich. But things have gone terribly wrong in Irag. Iran is different. Iran powerful and sophisticated enough to manufacturer it's own weapons. But they are religious fanatics who believe in the learnings of a suicide cult/martyrdom. They preach that America and Israel should be destroyed in their sermons. They want to be as powerful as the US and Russia, and have not been stopped. Just like Nazi Germany. They are Nazilike evil, I remember the Embassy takeover very well. Imagine, kidnapping a government policy. Iran will fight back. Gasoline will be $7 a gallon. US cities will be bombed. Iran will be as strong as Nazi Germany was in a few years-unless they are stopped.

"a recent strike by nuclear-armed israeli air force fighter-bombers bound for targets in iran was turned back after being intercepted by us fighters over iraq,this reporter has learned." i got to hand it to you click,you are the master of fool!

several posters have already pointed out to you",then in post # 223 to paul harris you said,"you too have lots of post paul;they just fail to make any sense.a number of posters have pointed that out to you".what do you do ballestic,use the same garbage,over and over?give me some proof of what your saying.if its true,tell me and paul which posters have pointed "it out".that should simple enough to do if its true ,old lady,so im sitting here,waiting for you to give me your proof.i figure its like all your post,lies,lies and more lies.if my "imprecise language" and "sentence structure" offends you,kiss my ass,right in the crack.explain to me what you mean by "me being against iraq and iran,er,exactlly what did you have in mind to fight this terrorism"?what the fu8k does that mean,it dont even make any sense!now,if your anything other than a lier,you will show me which posts you were talking about.im waiting

compared to your racist rants.do you hate indians too?

WOULD APPROACH US AIR SDPACE OVER IRAQ WITHOUT PRIOR PERMISSION ?? HOW WOULD YOU TURN THEM BACK WITHOUT BEING ON THE SAME FREQUENCY ?? CLIKKY YOURE GETTING PAST REDEMPTION !

is fond of wearing dresses.true or not true it just shows you the confusion of the lefties.

write to the iranian embassy in london for the correct name. alternatively you may find iranian officials loitering near your nearest synagogue.

CLICKFOOL I DONT NEED TO EXAGGERATE JUST READ THE TIMES AND THE TELEGRAPH THIS MORNING!! INSTEAD OF BESIEGING HAARETZ WITH TOTAL CRAP YOU SHOULD BE ADDRESSING BRITAINS MULTI PROBLEMS .WRITE TO THE "GOVERNMENT OF HOPELESS INCOMPETENTS "

who makes 40000 anti jewish rants to the motley fool site.and is proud of it.

at rational argument" clickfool all fall to the floor hands clutching their sides in uncontrollable laughter. what does the racist know about rational argument?

Your opinion and feelings are noted. When the Buddhas were destroyed, so were the Buddhists living there. I suppose in your analysis that is considered a good day for Islam? The bombings and attempted bombings across Europe are a good example of humanistic love? Get off your high horse. Over 400,000 in Darfur are dead and 2.5 million displaced. Another good day for Islam? You limit your thinking and whine about me? Try reading if you Value human life so much. 90 million citizens of this world have been killed in the name of Allah. You going to cry for any of them?

apart afrom a few doubtful literary flourishes you have said nothing worth the saying. ("it used to be called chaos" is tosh)

how long have you got teach? there is no one on the horizon that can threaten the dominance of the united states either financially or in the sciences. the united states regularly makes a sweep of the nobel prizes in all the sciences. hardly any one else gets a look in.(except israel but you must forgive my parochialism)

I find that I cannot log in many times during the day even though I don't have this problem elsewhere.

Clickfool, I am still waiting for an answer: who are the Zionists? You mean Israelis? You mean Jews? You mean both? I must assume that you mean Jews, unless I hear from you otherwise. Would you like to respond to this simple question?

You were lying when you said it was a Sunburn Cruise Missile that attacked the Israeli vessel off Lebanon (and the notion that it was a Noor, a simple radar-guided cruise missile of Chinese design, is, incidentally, only one possibility). You described it as a Sunburn so that you would then be in a position to say that the US fleet would be at no risk from Iranian attack, should war break out. You were, in fact, lying for a purpose, not out of ignorance, which would have been the most charitable explanation for your nonsense.

Hi there dear friends. It just came to me in a "Flash"! AVE you heard it's in the stars,Next July we collide with mars,well did you AVE,what a swell party will all be.... If this comes out,no doubt you'll think me a bit potty.Welll,we need a bit of cheering around here my dear,dear friends...

I fully grasped the reposted Reuters story here at Haaretz and didn't miss anything. I even read the article from AW&SP by Craig Covault, on which the Reuters story is based. It cites three names: 1) Alaeddin Boroujerdi -Iranian spokesman for Iran's space program, 2) Uzi Rubin - former head of Israel's missile defense organization and current think tanker at Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, and 3) Kenneth Katzman - another think tanker with US-based Congressional Research Report. Both Rubin and Katzman's warnings of Iran's intent to develop offensive ICBM nuclear weapons came as no surprise to me - I viewed them as, how did you put it? - "...combed out information to support one`s views, agendas, believes & yes, even `witch hunting`" Taking Katzman and Rubin's slant as "the full picture" is your perogative, but it does not carry the force to compel others to do so. There may be an even fuller picture, or,perhaps, just another "full picture" that you care not to view.

have at it,and dont worry about my medical condition.your old ass will be dead and gone long before me.when i post my opinions,you call it huffing and puffing,when in fact your the one that started it by calling me names.i guess when you dont have an argument,result to name calling,right,thats real mature.if you actually think the american citizens are in favor of giving into terrorism,like yourself,you might want to think again because,in reality, you are the minority.you need to realize that every thing you said ,describing me,is inacurate,but,what the hell,ive had imbeciles try to demean me many times so this is no diffrent.i could care less,because ,if you look at all the post in here,you are the minority

Paul - could I refer you to my message #213, on the subject of sneering insults from Zionists, which you prove in every post you leave?

Who can tell whether this story (January 18th 2007) is true, but it makes an interesting read: "A recent strike by nuclear-armed Israeli Air Force fighter-bombers bound for targets in Iran was turned back after being intercepted by U.S. fighters over Iraq, this reporter has learned. Two sources have independently confirmed the encounter, which took place on January 7, 2007." http://www.willthomas.net/Convergence/Weekly/Israeli_Nuclear_Strike_On_Iran.htm True or not, it gives us some idea of the difficulties Israel would face in staging an independent attack on Iran.

want people to"not stick their nose in your bussiness".matter of fact you guys were crying and whining to anyone who would listen to you.please,please make israel quit,was what you were crying to the u.n.i could give a shit less if you have traveled the world over,and your allegiance with iran comes from your blind hatred of israel and the west.the "facts" you tell me are all lies.you want your daddy,iran to be a superpower,and that's just not going to happen.they will keep pushing the international community just like your bros,hesbullah pushed israel and the results will be the same,death and destruction to iran,just like in lebannon.then they will start crying for the world to get america off their spineless asses,just like you guys did.then after its all said and dont they will claim a victory,even after their country is disembowled and their casulities are far greater than the americas,dont that sound familiar?does it ring a bell,it called typical muslim mentallity.

and as for reliable links do a google Hizbollah anti-ship and take your pick.

there is regime change.

Now friends,if each and every country who wants to acquire "nuclear" facilities I would give them leave to carry on and obtain it. See,what I think is this:We will then all be "Equal".No one I feel sure will be mad enough to dare use this devastating and terrible WMD. Am I being naive?Perhaps,Israel has had it(we presume)for ages and neither threatened or come close to using it.Unless I missed something along the line. Sorry to disappoint friends,did not feel like having a prolonged debate on the subject. But,do please continue to your heart's content,and I will just be a "lurker" and just read your responses To all the brave hearts here Good Luck

"PS the smallest distance from Iran to Dimona is 1,400 miles....." What sort of an atlas do you own, Danny? The border of Israel is only 600 miles from that of Iran, and Dimona isn't tucked away in the further corner of Israel but just 25 miles from the Jordanian border, near Sodom. The Shabab-3(4) is easily capable of reaching it.

TWICE AS MUCH TRIPE . NOTHING MAKES SENSE TO AN IGNORAMUS GRANNY BALLISTIC THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM . YOURE TOTALLY IGNORANT BUT WONT STOP TYPING TRIPE !!

Results from a quick Google search: Iran has the capability to target Israel and to shut down oil transport through the straits. Iranians are not as dumb as Israelis seem to think. Here is what is said about long rang missiles: "Iran had attempted to maskarade the No-dong-B flight test ... as a flight test failure of the Shahab-3B. It in fact revealed that Iran had flight tested a 4,000 kilometer range capable missile that could only be identified as the mobile No-dong-B ..." http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/missile-development.htm The maps on the web site show that all Iran needs to target Israel is a 1500 km range missile. http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/missile-overview.htm http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/missile-ranges.htm As for other weapons, check out: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/weapons.htm Never under-estimate others!

FOr all this war propoganda, way back in 1997 iran declared intention to launch sattelite in space. Iran builds and manufacturers all its missiles and rockets. You can bet they are better than North Korean ones becuase I know iranian students are smart. The fact that they are getting a little closer after 10 years, is not anything new, so Mark is right its pure propoganda designed by Likudnik warmongers.

It was C-802 not a sunburn missile... Of course, the Sunburn is a much more sophisticated weapon and then in lies the rub. a) It isn't very mobile - vulnerable to airstrikes - b) It requires a sophisticated crew to run it and critically maintain it. One only needs to see what a "success" Hizbollah made of their anti-shipping attempts to see what the combination means for Iran.

""more sophisticated (drones, such as the sort that nearly sank an Israeli warship off Lebanon) to the ultra-sophisticated (Sunburn and other advanced cruise missiles)." - it was a Sunburn missile and rather than "nearly sinking" it hit a helicopter and caused minor damage and the ship was back in full operation a couple of days later. This is publicly available information and you are simply LYING when you say what you do" Danny - I seriously think that you are losing touch with reality. None of Iranian's cruise missiles are in the hands of Hezbollah, and certainly not the Sunburn, a prized state war asset. This Israeli ship was hit by a Hazbollah drone. Provide a reliable link to back up your ridiculous claim or - please - stop your Zionist drivelling.

He only has a problem with Israel which by a 100 billion to one coincidence happens to be a Jewish State. To quote the Big Lebowski - "say what you will about the tennats of National Socialism at least they had an ethos". Again I suspect Clickfool to be a failing philosophy student at some ex-poly.

Books on the Middle East, news etc shows people do complain - maybe you are confusing the US and Israel with France, Russia, any arab country and any african one....

I cannot judge on your technical difference of view regarding the Iranian missiles with Clickfool. But I sure hope that every decisionmaker has in mind at least the possibility the Iranians succeed in blocking the Strait of Hormuz. That would wage chaos and economic downfall in the world indeed. A tanker is a big target and can unlike a warship or carrier not outsmart their new torpedo's.

Ronnie, i almost start believing you are in favor of the war in Iraq. Also you forget Asia and China in particular when speaking about the new emerging world order. And in Europe we do not really like the American way of globalisation, which means the rich gets richer and the poor get poorer, just as have happened in Israel I believe.

With Israel and the US threatening to attack Iran almost on a daily basis, don't they need a spy satelite to keep company with the American and Israeli satelites flying over their airspace? Now, the US is blaming Iran for their failures in Iraq even though most of the occupation soldiers are killed by Sunnis.More threats. America is also blaming Iran for failures in Afghanistan even though everyne knows that the Taliban is Sunni.More threats. Iran has no territorial ambitions. It has enough trouble keeping it's own diverse nationalities calm.

why america and israeil and many more countries can do what ever they want and no 1 says anything,but when a country that doesn,t agry with what america says and it doesn't fit in USA agenda straight away they should b stopped or attacked why america and israeil not any better look what they doining in IRAQ and LEBANON how many kids and infant did israeil kill in the last war.so who,s the terorist then.i think no 1 should have weapons any kind of weapons we want to live in peace around this world just stop the war stop every thing that hurt this world and the humans thats on it.

Clickfool, who are the Zionists? You mean Israelis? You mean Jews? You mean both?

The bit you specifically highlighted in the original post is about the range. So when the "US sources" say it has a range of 800-1000 miles then it is being accurate - and hence not propaganda. PS the smallest distance from Iran to Dimona is 1,400 miles..... PPS your claim of 50m CEP would make the Shahab3 the most accurate ICBM in the world by an order of around 6... and only slightly less accurate than a Tomahawk. Hence my EXTREME skepticism

"more sophisticated (drones, such as the sort that nearly sank an Israeli warship off Lebanon) to the ultra-sophisticated (Sunburn and other advanced cruise missiles)." - it was a Sunburn missile and rather than "nearly sinking" it hit a helicopter and caused minor damage and the ship was back in full operation a couple of days later. This is publicly available information and you are simply LYING when you say what you do, it cannot be a lack of information because people have corrected you over and over. Even this minor damage was due to the crew not bothering with full battle stations which it is safe to assume the US will have.

You too have a lot of posts Paul; they just fail to make any sense. A number of posters have pointed that out to you. Stop putting liquor in your coffee!!!

Pardon me, but the hysteria about terrorism amongst the population is almost nonexistent; why, because we've been hearing it for so long in order to justify Iraq; if americans were concerned about the war on terror, they would have kept in the Repub and support Bush, which they do not. So, I am not at all certain what you are talking about. What do you think should be done? Israel wants only Jews; why should other countries not feel the say way about others. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. The only concern I have is that these idiots will do something stupid, as has happened numerous times in the past.

imprecise language and sentence structure; if you are against Iraq and Iran, er, exactly what did you have in mind to fight this "terrorism"? It appears your post makes no sense, as several posters have already pointed out to you. I haven't seen anyone accuse my posts of being dumb, except you; you figure that one out (save for Mr. Harris). I have been accused of many other things ie antisemitism, you know, the usual knee jerk reaction to criticism. I do not believe Americans share your paranoia about terrorism; I simple disagree with you and in the USA, I am allowed to do that. Where are all these Americans you speak of who think like you--your points are the same ones Bush made and continues to make and they were soundly rejected by the voters, what can I say. Regards.

"We have to put up with your idiotic claims of a super-advanced Iranian army that can bring down the world`s economy at the drop of a hat." Where did I say that, Danny? You make it up as you go along, don't you? I simply said that Iran has the ability to close the Gulf oil route to tankers - and it has a large array of weapons with which to do this, ranging from the very basic (artillery and fast patrol boats loaded with explosives) to the more sophisticated (drones, such as the sort that nearly sank an Israeli warship off Lebanon) to the ultra-sophisticated (Sunburn and other advanced cruise missiles). It is the cutting off of oil to America that will bring the world's largest economy to its knees).

On November 3rd last year a Shahab-3 missile was fired during their Great Prophet 2 exercises. The Iranians reported this as having a range of 1200 miles, which is interpreted by Western analysts as being a variant of the Shahab-3, sometimes called the Shahab-4. OK now, Danny?

"that Iranian Presidential officials have continuously flapped their gums about gaining the "nuclear cycle" in the same speeches literally, and literally means word for word "wiping the Zionists off the map."" The more correct interpretation is: "The regime occupying Qods [Jerusalem] must disappear from the pages of time". But, hey, don't let the truth get in the way of a little warmongering.....

with bare-faced, brazen liars. We have to put up with your idiotic claims of a super-advanced Iranian army that can bring down the world's economy at the drop of a hat. You have to put up with your lies about Lebanon war - where are those remaining 942,000 bomblets - and how did a ship that was "destroyed" go back into combat 48 hrs later - let alone the other two "destroyed" that never left. We have to put up with your fake quotes - Rabin and "two Egyptian divisions", wierd that 900 tanks and over 100,000 soldiers were in the Sinai - would seem to be more than two divisions. Is lying and fabricating your idea of high debate?

I see a lot of sneers about (insert non-Israel/US country) technology, but the reality is the US and Israel are NO LONGER technology leaders, particularly in computers. Several days ago I posted references to Iranian technology critiques that pointed out after Iran fought the much better equipped Iraq to a standstill, they made major investments in producing weapons technology on their own. Yes, Iran purchased technology from other countries but they have vastly improved the technology. As for computer hardware technology, The world leader is CHINA not the US (most of the computers being sold today come from China). The Open Source community has provided lots of high quality software (check out beowulf.org). Sneers at non-Israel technology is just hiding your head in the sand. Iran in some cases is BETTER equipped than Israel.

Dimona from Iran.... Yet in your post you claim and I quote: ""The launcher is a version of the Shahab 3 missile that has a range of 800 to 1,000 miles (1,285-1,600 kilometers), the magazine said, citing unidentified U.S. agencies." More propaganda, I fear..... ". If the Shahab 3 laucher cannot go 800-1000 miles then it can't hit Dimona because it is more than 800-1000 miles. So either you are lying when you say it can or you are lying when you say in your post that the quote is propaganda.

That ballistic missile had better be destroyed on the launch pad; its payload is very likely a 100% uranium-235 20-pound sphere, which could hit Israel if the missile suddenly 'went off course' due to 'tragically unforseen guidance glitch'...yeah, right! I can see right through this, doesn't anyone else? The thing isn't trajectoried for space, I'll bet you that right now.

Checking this thread this morning it's quite amazing how minimal is the intellectual content of the posts from Zionists. Their only concern is to pour bile, insults and cheap shots at the contributors who dare to criticize Israel. There isn't the smallest attempt at rational argument. You don't need a video camera to see their sneering, stupid, twisted, ugly faces.

"but when you claim they are super-accurate and can hit Dimona then that is the truth.... Sorry wait a minute I forgot that lying came naturally to you." I can't quite see the logic of your message, Danny. I leave a post saying this story about Iran planning to put a satellite into space was scaremongering propaganda ("if they can put a satellite into space they'll soon be able to drop one of them thar new-kew-ar bombs on New York City"). I make no comment about the accuracy of the Shahab-3 launch vehicle, which can apparently drop its payload within 50 metres of its target, yet somehow you see this as an opportunity to call me a liar. You shouldn't burn with frustration and rage so much, Danny - it's showing though in your contributions to Talkback.

Not all Jews are Zionists, as I would define them. You're just trying to conflate anti-Zionism with anti-semitism, the usual, pretty obvious ploy of Zionists.

IF WER ONE MOENT YOU GOT YOUR INFORMATION PAST 3RD GRAD YOU WOULD GET THINGS RIGHT . ISRAEL BEGAN IN 1917 1920 1922 1924 THE HOLOCAUST HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT . AND YOUR BLIND INCOMPREHENSIBLE IGNORANCE IN YOUR POSTS IS SICKENING .

study the earthquake zones of iran and japan. apart from the kobe earthquake the tremors in japan leave the buildings standing.they use advanced technology to good effect. when earthquakes hit iran the region is devastated and the people build again in the same old ways not trying better methods.

'the uranians are smarter but lack an industrial base." chaiwallah since they are so smart why did they not build an industrial base?

"iranians are smarter then most americans" chaiwallah the iq in iran is in the range of 80-85 well below the standard for northern europe which is 100. the idea that iran would compete with the west in technology is pure middle east fantasy.

Your analogy that Iran wants Israel to disapperar just like the USSR-and not via death and obliteration-is simply not correct. The USSR/Eastern European Communist countries/Iron Curtain may have dissolved, but the counry of Russia still exists. Iran does not believe in a 2 State solution. Iran believes there should be no Jewish country called Israel. All of Palestine is Arab. And since Israel will not voluntarily disappear, the only solution is a military one. Since Israel had nukes for over 40 years, the Arab military solution was always difficult. A nuclear weapon on the Arab side surely evens the score. Heck, Iran may even consider it Martyrdom to the extreme to nuke Israel-even if Israel nukes back. The ultimate suicide bombing scenario. What part of the "Death to America, Death to Israel" chant isn't clear? Which all may lead to Iran getting hit first-and with the entire toolbox. Learn a lesson from Hitler & 9/11. Unfortunately, innocent Iranians will suffer.

Your posts are satirical. I assume just like Johnboys, Clickfools, Marilyn, Maureen Annes and ballistics.... That makes sense, I was starting to worry that people that dumb really existed. Now I can sleep better at night...

keep your nose clean and not stick it in other people business i am a christian lebanese who been to america and all over the world and i am not taking the side of iran out of guild just stating the fact as ihave seen it what i am telling you is a fact not a wet politcal dream look at cat stevens he revert to shia even though he was a famous brit singer and so is the french philospher rogee garodi and ihope to do the same after i cleanse my soul

terrornator, the reason your dad told you one cant argue with idiots is because he din't like arguing with you. He was probably trying to be kind and din't want to hurt your feelings buddy. It's sad to be you.

THey have as much right as you.

"Countries who sell them rockets should be beaten up." - Brod The nation which sold most of Iran's seed rocket technology to the has just proven what an idiot George Bush is. The DPRK, North Korea in common US parlance, sold Iran most of it's bedrock rocket technology. The DPRK also proved an important point - courtesy the idiot Bush - that possession of nuclear weapons is the fastest and most beneficial way off the list of the Axis of Evil. Bush has lost all interest in taking down North Korea. He is a chicken hawk. Chicken hawk means two similar things. A homosexual who seeks out children, or a hawk who cowers in fear of any threat. Fifty years ago no nation had launched a satillite. 49 years ago Russia did, and a few months later the US did. What the average idiot calls 'rocket science' is just undergraduate level engineering now days. Got it? I know, Brod, you ask 'what is engineering? It is a long story. Got a few posts?

You are foolish if you're going to try to compare Iran with Iraq. Here we have a nation attempting to obtain nukes, and whose leader has denied the Holocaust while simultaneously repeating his threats to wipe Israel off the map. Who is the belligerent party here? I protested against the Iraq war, but I am not stupid. History has taught us than when a national or political leader openly threatens to annihilate another people, he means what he says. What keeps him from following through is simply the lack of means to do it--a problem Iran hopes to resolve very soon, with the help of foolish people like you.

'Iran only has to turn the taps and they can increase defence spending. Israel meanwhile only has Oranges and Dates.' Not exactly. Oranges and dates and an essentially blank check from the United States. All they need to do is whip up the crisis and we'll come running to 'save Israel.' I only wish Israel had finite financial resources. That might impose some limitations on their lust for war.

in the first place!your post keep getting dumb and dumber#192 proves you must be losing it.what makes you think i supported going to iraq,or bush,in the first place?now,you got me accusing"those voters"of the things im accusing you of.lets review the lies you have spread to date,you have me being jewish,wrong,supporting bush,wrong,supporting the iraq war,wrong,accusing"those voters"of radical thinking like yourself,wrong.oh yea,and having a hissy,actually i trying to explain why so many americans feel the way i do.see,were not giving into terrorist or rewarding them for attacking us,or anyone else,even if that is what you want.thats what got us into this shit were in now,we should have taken or hostages back in 79,even if it meant dissecting iran,city by city.the killings of 241 marines in lebannon probally wouldnt have happened if we would have dealt with it in 1979.

I tried to throw up a sarcastic imitation of your basic pro-Israel rant when this article first appeared. For whatever reason, it wasn't posted. I'd thought maybe I'd laid it on a bit thick. Glancing over the posts that have since gone up from the REAL Israel lovers, though, makes it clear that I didn't. I hit the nail right on the head.

need to be medicated for your anxiety; however the facts remain--read responses to your posts and understand you are in a minority in the US, get it. And no amount of huffing and puffing by you will change that fact---get used to it!!

observer,watching how some people in the middle east,use terror to force their will upon others and expect the world to accept it.wheres your mind?have you not watched what these people you support,are capable of?its not about religion or politics for them right now,its all about a power struggle,with no interest as to the welfare or safety of their own people.now,their killing their own,including two year old children.i know you would blast israel for an accidental killing of a child like this,but thats exactly what happens when you fight in highly populated area,they of all people,should know the risk,but yet sometimes,they will chance it,and when it happens,use it for a propaganda tool.im sorry,i dont get it,how can you say,give them anything until they can halfway control their many rivaling factions?how can you say without a doubt,whoes land is whoes when its had so many owners,over the last 3000 years.try, www.mapsofwar.com/images/EMPIRE17.swf then,tell me what you think.

we developed their oil fields years ago which in turn has given them unimagineable wealth. we give them the opportunity to come to the west for educational purposes.weve given them billion upon billions every year.and don't say, but we give to israel too,because israel is one country,there's probally more than 20 arab countries we contribute to.in both instances,first,they have use the money to promote and finance terrorism.secondly,they came here and trained to fly planes into our buildings,so for every wrong you can tell me the us has commited to the middle east,i can recite you the same.admit it,if the west didnt have a military presence in the middle east for all these years,there probally would have been more fighting than there was which would have resulted in more bloodshed.ballistic,your not going to make them happy with all your appeasing.thats not what the radicals want,they want one islamic world.do you think the west deserved 9/11 for its middle eastern policies?

there, but it won't change the facts. Americans are against what is going on over there and given the lies told to get us mired in Iraq, they will get some answers; already the answers forthcoming are not pretty. Americans are tired of lies, that's the point. We threw out as many liars as we could. I guess you accuse those voters who say they want out of all the things you accuse me of, but that's okay, you are in the minority. However, get suited up and on over to Iraq cause Bush needs YOU to help push your useless agenda in a country where we never should have gone in the first place and EVERYBODY but Bush now agrees. And, now what?

Er, it's tough lady, thank you. Let's be reasonable here. You and I are in the relative safety of the US. I am sure you are aware of the lies that were told about Iraq (even Congress is up in arms). Given that, we are being a tad hasty with Iran. I have read translations of Iran's speeches wherein they talked about "zionism" being wiped out like the USSR was wiped out. Well, since the USSR still exists, what does that mean. NOw I hear posters saying you cannot separate zionism from being Jewish--my response is what??? My question to you is what has been the history of our actions in their world that they complain of? Are you saying that Arabs have no complaints about the West's treatment of their people in their land? What is wrong with discussing these issues coming to a fair judgment. Well, I disagree with you; US will leave Iraq; eventually Afghanistan and what then? The whackem all theory seems insane given the problems. It is sad nobody has real leaders, we need them!

Congratulations Jurgi! Brasilians don't like that fat dangerous people either which spend in patetic limos 40% of the world oil! Bush is a drunk ridiculous menace to the entire world!They say we are 3 world, but we got cars that run with gasoline, natural gas and alcohol and they dont know what to with their expensive cars. Example? See Ford, US$ 12 billions of loss, but profit in Brazil. Cheers!

to all sides; what is justice; it is fair dealing with one another. What I hear from many if not most of the rah rah Israeli supporters because they suffered the Holocaust, they are entitled as a result of that horror to commit horrors against the Palestinian people. If anyone had easy answers, the problem would be solved; what I hear from most posters is that the Arabs are animals and you want land you allegedly owned thousands of years ago; that they deserve to be killed because they dare object to the atrocities that are committed against them. I must admit that I am most surprised by talking with all of you because those Jews I interact with here in the US do not express views anything close to what you guys are saying; nosirre, they don't. Several Jewish posters on this blog have indicated why US Jews are alienated from Israel. Your sense of "entitlement" to do whatever you want when you want is mind boggling. Well, in any case, thanks for the post; your solution?

Well, technology belongs to who got it! I'm not afraid of Iran 'cos my country is friend of Iran. Menace to the region (and world!) is Israel with its nuks!

posted; the US will leave Iraq and soon; Congress is now against it; even the Republicans like Warner and Hagel state Pres has no authority to bomb Iran. I don't know where you live, doesn't matter, cause Americans understand that we cannot wipe out the whole world; after all the lies were told, we threw the bums out. I don't support terrorism; what I do support is a forum to hear the grievances of each side; that makes sense and I am sorry you don't think so; right now the Muslim world is stirred up because they feel the West has treated them unfairly. Apparently, you feel no need to examine any of that cause US and Israel are always right. The Pal issue is another hot spot and whether you like it or not, see if the US will not impose a solution on Israel; why, cause she can't wipe out 1.2 billion Muslims/Arabs who claim to have a legitimate beef with the West's policy. By the way, Afghanistan is not going well; poppy crops are up; taliban back.

You know Tosefta have you left your garage get messy? Then when you come to clean it what you think would take 1 hour takes 6????? The Chaos WAS THERE before but hidden behind the interface of Saddam Hussein. Now he is gone there ARE possibilities. But the arabs dont believe in the new world (The order is just in the democratic world,ok)those simple tribal and sectarian conflicts are still the same as 1000 years ago while the world itself has been getting closer (Globalism) The forward world is asking some arabs to embrace this new vision.They dont want too and you dont want them too,preferring to blame Israel and the west and keep these people in the dark ages. Bush is not Bush.Bush is a dodo bord figurehead for many strategists who are working on changing things in the area. Its a shame you insist they stay where they are.

"[America] already have a new world order.It is their nuclear bombs that defend democracy for the west. It is their view of globalism and a world that is democratic." - Ronnie W. Maybe you have forgotten, but US nukes were defending the West against the USSR (which is no more). This was the OLD World Order. Globalism is a new economic order, I agree, but I don't believe it is good for us yet, and will not last long. (Watch the US declining.) In any case, this is not what was meant by the term "new world order" which intended to describe the security order. The vision you are talking about, a democratic world, is a nice vision, but vision is not an order. Watch Iraq and tell me if this is order or disorder. "Its here,man." - Ronnie W. If whatever is here is defined as the new order, I will be very sorry, but accept the definition. Except that it used to be called chaos. It may last for 2 more years, yntil Dumbya is out, and then we will look for some new improved order.

colony,and your telling me to smarten up.i guess you agree with tea man that california will be a persian colony also,especially since theres 3.5 million iranian doctors and engineers there.talk about sad,you guys are lving in a dream world.when someone is considered to be a terrorist org.then yes that does make them terrorist.damn,are you really this stupid?them not being recognized internationally isnt what gave them a terrorist image,being terrorist since 1982 gave them their image.you and your teabag buddy are nothing but little insignificant peons,who are infactuated with persian dominance,but alas,like my dad told me,you cant argue with idiots,period.you and teabag arent the world majority.another thing,i dont whine,its crybabies like yourself and teabag that keep the sane people coming here,so i just want to thank you and teabag for your one and only contribution to man kind.

on the civilized world is an achievment,you havent seen terror yet?you talk like you ass is attached to your neck.tell me the achievment of the great persians,aside of terror.you better thank your god,that your in lebannon,because i know you dont want to be in iran,soon.you see,its cowards like you,who are always making threats,patting yourself on the back,and trying to scare some of the people in these forums,when actually when the shit hits the fan you will probally be hiding behind,should i dare say it,your mama's dress.dream on about your persian asperations,thats all it will ever be,asperations or a wet dream.

Iran refines only 60% of its fuel, it imports 40%, take away the 40% and Iran's economy is in the garbage heap. Also Iran may not have much oil left since it has supplied the world for 30 years, could be thats why they want nuclear reactors. Dont worry about their mickey mouse weapons, they import their missiles from russia and everyone knows russia sells junk.....

especially since your country,lebannon is fighting like cats and dogs.why is it you guys always resort to lies?lie # 1,you said iran is spending thier money on its people,how come unemployment is at 40%a.and how come housing has doubled in 2 years?dreaming fools like you are needed to make the world go around i guess.the only reason the iranians are in california is to get away from morons like you and ahMAD.they sure as hell didnt get their education in iran either,lol.if thinking israel will be a persian colony and california will be iranian controlled,keeps you from being depressed because you live in lebannon ,have at it.your hero,persian empire has just about run its course,it took ahMAD only a few years to drag it into obliviation.3.5 million iranian doctors and engineers in california achieving in 20 years what we did in 200,now thats a laugh.you persians have been around for thousands of years,the usa,a little over 200,what happened to you guys,we put men on the moon,moron!

wheres your condemnation of the arabs murdering each other in africa,iraq,lebannon,gaza,the west bank,pakistan,india,america,and anywhere ever they decide to.so boohoo,the sunnies blew up a shiate mosque in iran and the muslims think life is so precious,their killing each other ,to the tune of about a hundred a day,all this,over blowing up the dome.im glad you brough up suffering,how many times have americans or israelis used a drill to torture any human beings?how many christians have cut a humans head off if he didnt convert to christianity?its dumbasses like you that talk out both sides of their mouth,telling lie after lie that makes it worth while to come here.where the f88k is your condemnation of all the killing done today,in the name of islam,even against muslim brothers?dont come in here and throw your meaningless lies around,we've heard them all before.your so blinded by your hatred for the west and israelis you dont even realize how totally stupid you look when you write post

The reason for the complaint is the debri left in space, it damages other nation's satelites and is not good for anyone. As for Iran, the US or Israel could wipe out all of Iran's defences within 3 or 4 hours. Dont kid yourself, the US has weapons you never heard of before. The blackbird was developed in the 70's and it can fly faster than a missile and is radar evasive the US retired it a decade ago. Do you suppose they stopped with that??? I think not!!!

Tosefta,dont under estimate America.They already have a new world order.It is their nuclear bombs that defend democracy for the west. It is their view of globalism and a world that is democratic. Like Europe better? It is America that does Europes dirty work and Europe will kick in with America in the future. The arabs are some of the last of the olden and golden age of the agricultural age and now they are getting fancy with thoughts of weapons.The New World Order is now working against it,in Lebanon,in Iraq,In the palestinian territories against Iran and against N Korea and Chavez. Its here,man.

Iran is a fast developing and dangerous power. It must be stopped NOW! before it's too late. people say that Iran is still a few years away from nukes, but all this time others waist imposing sancions on them only gives them more time to develop and fortify themselves. Iran must be halted as soon as possible!

Hello again Victor, If you did not understand much of my post, I suggest maybe read the article again & find out what other concerns are there. Under full picture I usually mean were the current developments are headed, not combed out information to support one`s views, agendas, believes & yes, even `witch hunting`.

Countries who sell them rockets should be beaten up.

Lynn, I would rather destroy priceless artifacts than human lives which Israel and the U.S are professionals at. Oh Boohooo a few statues got destroyed. A human life is worth far more than that, and so far human suffering at the hands of the U.S and Israel are far worse. Does that mean it is justifiable to destroy in the name of America, israel and zionism but not in the name of Allah.

you say they should spend their money on their people thats exactly what they doing dah tell you country to spend its money on your people 500 billion dollars on iraq alone nothing to show off for iranian are smarter than you in the u.s. go to los angeles and see 3.5 million iranian and shia brothers all doctors engineers or rich businessmen in 20 years they achieving what you did in 200 years wait few years califronia wil be part of iran as israel would apresian colony

face,to,and about these islamic crazies,but it seems to have no affect on them.[see clickfool]their only concern is propaganda to promote their cause of world domination and islamic supremacy,which you and i both know,will never happen.the most probable thing that will happen is total destruction of the world as we know it.i feel for my children and yours,if you have any,for they are the ones that will probally pay the price unless,somehow the world can and will unite against this cancer.hate and jealosy seems to consume these radicals to the point their muslim brothers a too scared to try and change their delusional minds.such a shame

terrornator, the U.S. funds israel and the actions of this state are clearly a violation of international norms. Just because Hamas and Hezbollah are considered to be terrorist organizations does not deem them to be terrorists. Hezbollah has countless institutions that would be justified as state insitutions that seek to help the people, but the fact that they are not legitimately recognized internationally has given them a terrorist network image. The majority of the world would agree that the U.S. is a terrorist nation as well so stop whining about Hezbollah and Hamas. Just because the hegemon controls the strings does not mean the masses are blind. You my poor creature are a sad case scenario. As for Iran spending the money on its people, look at the American slums and the government instead is diverting funds on phony wars. Besides, attaining Nuclear power for Iran would help it save money in the long run. Is your point that Israel can have nukes but no one else can.

"If you had set patiently, maybe you should have bothered to notice where another accent was made." - TonyL I don't understand this statement. "I do not believe it was totally in the satelite itself, but have not heard anything in that regard." - TonyL "I don't understand this statement. My primary concern is what full, realistic dangers to the world stability Iran represent & in the case of conflict it is not only Israel that is going to be involed but much, much more." - TonyL This statement, I understand. "Everybody should clearly understand full picture, not some cacamemy ideas & spins of `jealousy`." - TonyL Could you explain what the "full picture" is and what the "cacameny ideas" and "spins of 'jealousy'" are?

You have answered my question openly and honestly. In effect, you are saying that at the present time, there is no one in Israeli government to whom you could turn. This is the sober and accurate response I was expecting. It is time for visionaries, but the problem is that they want nothing to do with politics.

Tosefta Aviation Week and Space Technology is also known by the mocking name Aviation Leak and Space Mythology. It tries to keep people in the industry aware of developments. It also has to from time to time out something they need to know about, or pass on questionable information to keep someone happy. It is sometimes been used for government disinformation. Aviation Week has refined to a fine art reporting in such a fashion that an aware and careful reader will see more than the average sort. For example when reporting on US military developments it must to stay on the good side sources and the administration be very up beat, yet convey the underlying truth. How does one report trouble with an advertiser's most important program? The way the information was presented in the online version of Av Leak, it appears that someone with some pull wanted the story run, and that others wanted it clear it was propaganda.

Perhaps Iran will need some new lands after they are bombed but it won't include Israel! If you are living in Iran, I would suggest that you make an emergency survival plan.

An official who was elected to the Pakistan Gov in 2005 gave the order to destroy the Bamiyan Buddhas. The Buddhas had stood for 1,500 years before the Muslim crazies attacked. I don't really care what the Pakis think or what bubblistic thinks. Everything another culture considers priceless or Holy has been destroyed in the name of Allah. The world has put up with that kind of ignorance long enough.

I'm betting that this so-called satelite launch will be a flop, especially if they are getting help from North Korea! No matter the outcome, it just puts us a step closer to military action.The drums of war beat louder!

from modernizing,it a priority thing.you see,when,as in the arabs and iranians do,people are so consumed with hate and jealousy,and their only priority is killing jews and westeners it absorbs most of their time,so they dont have time to modernize.another thing dont piss on our leg and tell us its raining,which means dont tell the world iran is not a threat when everybody with a brain knows they are.what if,iran,instead of spending all their money on funding terrorist groups,they actually give the money to their own people and spent it on their own country,just imagine where they would be today.instead of suppressing the will of their citizens,give them some individual rights,the world would be such a better place.sounds like your one of those thats so absorbed with blaming israel and the west for everything wrong with arab and iranian countries today.thats a shame too,it only blinds you.

"To whom would you turn in Israel`s government to help you in bringing about all of the peace accords on your list?" - Victor Smolinsky Victor, this is not the way things work. When you have an important vision, you try to generate a national election where you get the chance to appeal to the public and get enough Parliamentary seats to support your plan. In Israel now the situation is ripe for another election. Most citizens recognize that the present government is inept and dangerous. At the moment, nobody is offering a visionary alternative, so elections will not happen just so that we get about the same situation back again. I am not trying to avoid engaging in your thought experiment. It simply will not produce a realistic result.

Keep it up. God willing, Iran will be the vitorious and the united evil army will be doomed.

may consider out-sourcing your typing.

Personally, I would like to see military action against Iran before March starting with an EXPLOSIVE SATTELITE LAUNCH DISRUPTION followed by a Naval blockade and a MASSIVE simultaneous bombing campaign on virtually EVERY nuclear facility in Iran. I wouldn't even be opposed to a Special Forces Operation to eliminate the current leadership. Perhaps Iran will reconsider the inaccurate perception that America is weak and cannot take action due to current military operations. Force seems to be the only thing that Iranian leadership understands. Let's roll! Time is wasting!

I must have missed the news that Iran had a satellite already. But reconnaissance satellites are common nowadays. Russia and China have them and the US did not collapse. Once you know when the satellite passes overhead, you can conceal things (such as covering silos). Nuclear weapons don't need that much precision, so I don't think this issue is directly related to today's crisis (and this point is in the background of my earlier post #106). Perhaps Aviation Week is using the interest in Iran today to gain a higher profile..

Mark: re the original cited article: "Alaeddin Boroujerdi, the chairman of the Iranian parliament's National Security and Foreign Policy Commission, spoke about the upcoming launch to religious students and clerics in Qom, the industry trade publication said."--I do find it hard to believe that an industry trade publication would cite a functionary quote or that the Reuters writer would fabricate a citation from the named source. I think we both agree that there is nothing exceptional for Iran to be interested in satellite technology at this state in its technological development--regardless as to its political or religious orientation or animus towards Israel.

in the 7th century and are trying to killas many westeners as they possibly can,dont call it,"us trying to have our way all the time".it has nothing to do with having our way as much as it is protecting ourselves.if you dont like to way were doing it,go cry to someone who gives a shit.you,nor you radical islamic facist buddies are going to conquer the world and force islam down our throats,here in the west.morons,like yourself,will not dictate the freedoms enjoyed by a democracy,never ever never,do you understand?

im not talking about israel.only morons like you have trouble figuring out what i was trying to say in my post # 77.o.k,i explain it for you,there are certain things the us will not allow,namely, a nation that threatens the security of our nation.if you took it as arrogance,thats your problem!i could care less what imbecile like you think.when the islamic radicals attacked us on 9/11,it was a wake up call for all of us in the us,but you can be assured that when they hit us again,and they will,someone will pay.as far as pakistan is concerned,after they let bin-laden escape from tora bora,we all know how much of a friend they really are,so dont get your hopes up about them being able to influence our policy toward iran very much.if you want to know what we will do,just watch the news and you will see first hand.got it?

With the fall of the Soviet Union, a New World Order was proclaimed by Papa Bush, except that he had little idea of what he wanted. And Clinton followed, with even less of an idea. And now, with Baby Bush, we are at a crisis point. One of the main components of the new world order must be non-proliferation of nuclear weapons. It endangers our survival. The fact is, every present day nuclear power has its power relatively diminished every time a new nuclear country comes up. That is why China objects to nuclear N. Korea and Iran. Russia as well. The way it works nowadays, under the diplomatically-challenged Bush, is that every nuclear crisis is a separate matter. The Korean case is isolated from the Iranian one, India and Pakistan also are not involved, Bush can proliferate in India but tries to control Iran. This is not the way things should work. In every individual case there are a few countries losing more than others, and they resist the imposition of sanctions or other means. What is needed is a global deal between the main powers of this world, at least Russia, China, US, EU. They should agree to cooperate on all cases. The cases should be dealt with sequentially (so as not to multiply crises), and better in pairs such that more than one sponsor country suffers at one time. Examples: 1. Iran and Israel. China and Russia will suffer from Iranian response to sanctions, the US will have problems regarding Israel. 2. India and Pakistan. India is a major country which can have a fair claim to nukes based on its neighbor China. But Pakistan should be denuclearized. Force a deal: Pakistan gets Kashmir, but must give up its nukes. Good deal for for Pakistan, because without Kashmir there is little tension with India, and good deal for India because nukes are an equalizer and they will gain superiority. P.S. I take it that with Korea things are settled more or less. Let it be the odd man out. P.P.S. As the Powers work out their deal, the US should be willing to "pay" to compensate Russia and China for their losses. Example: Return to the ABM treaty for a set number of years.

Boy I cant wait to see israel becoming a Persian colony. I agree Tea Man just a couple of more years before that happens. Till then to all those... Shalom!~ I mean Salam :P

Do you really think he told something out of office? He is bugged and spied to begin with journalists. Just read in Bosnia students use some small bug into ear. One on exam another out read. To rent 24 h cousts around 60 USD. Think what happens in EU. Read on BBC site last tapping scandal.

there is always the chance the rocket launching won't get off the ground. there is always the chance it will blow up. there is always the chance it will fall out of the sky halfway up. Lots of things happen on a first try. There's always the chance it will fall out of the sky on the Kremlin too. lol

the persians will start using light by the year 2020 at the rate they're going!

In addition to the West preventing Arabs and Iranians from modernizing they are clearly scared and threatened by them. Colonialism has definitely contributed to this backwardness and it just shows how scared and threatened the West is of these people that they firstly prevent them from becoming modernized and at the same time they prevent these nations from advancing militarily, only so that if and when they do go to occupy these countries, they face no resistance and this way they can show their superiority. Very pathetic indeed! Imagine if Israel and the U.S. did have to face nations that were equally prepared militarily, what would be the consequences. It would be nice to see the entire middle east build nuclear weapons. Furthermore, it would be even better to see all countries to be able to build weapons without being prevented by the U.S. which continues unabated to produce and develop an ever larger stockpile of weapons. Then the U.S. would think twice about occupying nations.

you're right........how dare we complain.......we were made slaves for hundreds of years (boo hoo), the romans were trying to kill us all and take over our country (boo hoo), they tried to kill EVERY SINGLE JEW in the world in the holocaust (more tears), terrorists blow up our children in playgrounds and malls (I can't stop crying), and now they are developing nuclear weapons to try to take us out once and for all (drip drip, drip drip). Jews should be ashamed of their whinning......we should just suck it up......is there any one group of peoples out there who has been persecuted less than jews? You my friend are the real whiner......you whine that Isreal has made it through all this crap and is still strong.....wipe your tears benjamin, wipe your tears!

"Does it ever occur to you that maybe it is Iran that needs to reduce the tensions & the danger to the world by shedding `terror state` label & normalizing diplomatic relations" - TonyL From your past posts I got the impression you are a man of the humanities, rather than of science or reality. This post confirms the latter. It does occur to me that we will be much happier if Iran were run by normal and rational people. This will be real justice. What can you do? Our reality is not conforming to our wishes. What should one do, then? You have to look at the available options, weigh each along with its price tag, and choose what is best for you. Option 1: Preach to the Iranians that they should be "good". I suggest you have an experiment. Stand in front of your wall and preach to it to move a step back (or forward, depending on your needs). If this works, I will accept the option. Option 2: Israel attacks Iran. Too bad, we don't have the necessary equipment (such as long range bombers). Option 3: Leave it to the US. But your Pres. Dumbya screwed up so badly in Iraq that he is no longer able to get into another war, with the Iranians making his life miserable in Iraq as first response (with more to follow). Option 4: Israel relies on itself, and does it in a way that will benefit itself in both the short and long run.

I am not sure about math but they are for sure rated as such at Holocaust Cartoons competition. By the way having a colony does not make any country any smarter or better.

WHER DOES THE IDEA COME FROM THAT THE US WILL ATTACK IRANS TERRORIST THREATS COME FROM ??

While Israel and America are destroying human lives, infrastructure, and damaging the environment outside their own territory! Just who is behind the bombings in the heart of Iran's oil industry, Khuzestan Province? Iran has every right to orbit an observation satellite, especially with the psychological games being played by America and Israel-the two arrogant countries with no regard for international law, unless it swings in their favour. It has been reported that a Thai observation satelllite is to be orbited in October 2007.

So why are the Iranians not building their industrial base rather than building an unnecessary enrichment and heavy nuclear power facility?

So the West is allowed to modernize and attain all forms of technology but when Iran gains the capability to send a satellite to space (which I doubt), it is a global threat. Then we have people saying that the Iranians and Arabs are barbaric and backward civilizations. Seems to me that the West is constantly preventing these people from modernizing themselves because they feel threatened by them. And for all those nutty yahoos and their likes who claim that Iran is a threat, Iran has not threatened Israel with anything, but has specifically mentioned the Zionist regime. There's a clear difference. On the contrary, what was specifically mentioned was Olmert admission that Israel is nuclear. The biggest threat to the world is Israel and fortunately the world is recognizing this global threat.

See this. It is cheaper. 10 minutes you see all in Israel. I think, you are angry and do things in rage. I am the same. Not good always.

What you think to spy when CIA spied already all plus Chinese. For Israel you need bike satelite. You want a coffee? I need one. By the way, what you do in medical researches? I have in mind eyes.

No, I don't even know Idris Shah, although I'm also a passionate bookworm. First and foremost, I think men and women are totally different in consciousness to be able for complementing each other in every direction. Things are objects because of the subject [mind]; the mind [subject] is such because of things [object]. Understand the relativity of these two and the basic reality: the unity of emptiness. In this Emptiness the two are indistinguishable and each contains in itself the whole world. This means: The appearance of an objective world distinguishable from a subjective self is but the imaginary form in which consciousness perfectly realizes Itself. Regards, Arik

burn like gehena again.

although usually you are claiming the missiles are super-accurate and can hit Dimona. Now you are claiming their ability to hit Saudi is US propaganda..... So which statement is the lie?

Israel has a GDP of 160billion USD, US economic aid is 240 million and military aid - ie credits that never leave your shores - is 2.9 billion. When you go to primary school and learn to count you'll learn 160 doesn't equal 3. Also IMF, when has Israel got a loan from the IMF? And if they did what the hell would Perle have to do with it - he doesn't work there.

whacked-yet! I was responding to what the poster was saying. Regards.

the iranian are smarter than most american and they rated as such by the annual highschool international testing in math and science they only lack industrial base they building it since the 1980 by 2020r they will be better than germany becuase israel wiil be apersian colony too

to any of my posts, it might be helpful if you read the post I was responding to so that you know what you are talking about. My posts were the appropriate responses to those I was talking to. Get over your anti-semitism kick; it has worn very, very thin, as many other posters have pointed out, and is simply a standard knee jerk reaction to any justified criticism of Israeli bad behavior. I apologize if you do not like it. Regards.

but when you claim they are super-accurate and can hit Dimona then that is the truth.... Sorry wait a minute I forgot that lying came naturally to you.

Dear Tosefta, I have to admit your post is like the beautiful violin music, so nicely read & understood it almost brings tears to my eyes. Granted, most `highly, emotionally, morally, PC charged dreams without borders` do, on paper that is. Does it ever occur to you that maybe it is Iran that needs to reduce the tensions & the danger to the world by shedding `terror state` label & normalizing diplomatic relations before they do anything else, not Israel. Or is it not in the liberal left lexicon? (Sorry, I know it is not).

"If Iran succeeds, it will join an exclusive list of ten nations" - Victor Smolinsky Not that 'exclusive', the only nation I can recall having tried and never succeeded is the DPRK. For them the third time might be the charm.

And the Russians can ensure a high inclination orbit. The Iranians have announced this month that they intend to launch their first home made, home launched, satellite. A communications satellite, but not for about 18 months. . . "How can you keep the boys down on the farm after they`ve seen Paris?" - Victor Easy, buy them a large screen TV and let them watch Paris from space. . . .

If you had set patiently, maybe you should have bothered to notice where another accent was made. I do not believe it was totally in the satelite itself, but have not heard anything in that regard. My primary concern is what full, realistic dangers to the world stability Iran represent & in the case of conflict it is not only Israel that is going to be involed but much, much more. Everybody should clearly understand full picture, not some cacamemy ideas & spins of `jealousy`.

Harry, I too am skeptical about Iran's technical capability to orbit a satellite at this time - and the article implies this will happen very soon. Iran has already contracted launch services from Russia, there were technical problems, and the satellites on board were almost lost. As for the 'so what,' I agree. As far as I can tell spy satellites have been a stabilizing rather than destabilizing influence for the last 45 years. I think Iran wants a total capability for prestige purposes. Israel and Japan could purchase launch services cheaper than they can provide them for themselves. But, they have developed the capability and use it. I didn't settle for the Haaretz take, I went to the source, and what was there was just more war scare crap.

Well now Jurgi, what would you have had the USA do after almost 3,000 of her citizens were murdered. What would Switzerland have done? I could give a damn what you or Swtzerland thinks. We'll protect ourselves and our interests. We didn't ask for this and we didn't start this but WE WILL FINISH IT!

One of the most silly aspects of the story in Av Leak is that Iran has a satellite launched by the Russians. Iran will be launching satellites. The story, however, is 90% puff and clearly intended to induce hysteria instead of informing people. I feel that the editors allowed a significant and obvious piece of disinformation to appear in the story to warn learned readers. Iran has not demonstrated a Satellite Launch capability. Iran is developing that capability. Iran has plans to have a complete capability to design, build, and launch satellites. Chicken Little was not right. The sky is not falling. Just a storm of propaganda intended to convince people Chicken Little needs to bomb Iran.

The first Iranian satellite, Sina-1, was orbited in October 2005 by a Russian rocket. It has - grin - two cameras and both day and night photographic capabilities. Relatively low resolution though. It has a design life of three years. Iran has announced it intends to launch a satellite of completely indigenous design next year. It seems it will be a communications satellite. But then 18 months from now, and communications are so much less ominous than soon and spy.

I have seen your list of "things to do" for peace several times now. And, I commend you for it. All right, then. Here's the experiment. You are now Israel's PM. To whom would you turn in Israel's government to help you in bringing about all of the peace accords on your list? Be as specific as possible as to the composition of your coalition for peace?

Reading the article I noticed a blatant exaggeration which violates a definition going back 50 years. I have seen Av Leak do things like that in the past. The fabrication implied tends to make the entire article somewhat suspect.