Report: German passport tied to Dubai hit wasn`t forged
Hamas: Operative slain in Dubai put himself at risk; Deputy FM: No proof tying Israel to Mabhouh hit.
By Barak Ravid, Reuters, Ofer Aderet, Avi Issacharoff and Yossi Melman Tags: Israel Mossad Hamas Israel newsGerman intelligence services investigating the assassination of Hamas commander Mahmoud al-Mabhouh in Dubai have found that one of the suspected members of the assassination team carried a genuine German passport, according to reports Saturday in German media outlets, including Der Speigel.
According to the findings of German federal investigators, in June 2009 an Israeli man named Michael Bodenheimer - who shares the name of an alleged member of the Dubai hit squad - came to immigration officials in Cologne with the pre-World War II address of his grandparents.
Bodenheimer acquired German citizenship on the basis of this data.
After his name was listed as one of the suspected members of the Dubai assassination squad, Bodenheimer, who lives in Bnei Brak and is of American origin, said that he did not know how his identity was stolen.
Dubai authorities have said 11 European-passport holders were involved in the assassination, and last week published their names and photographs. The list included six people with British passports, three with Irish passports and one each from France and Germany.
On Friday, Britain offered new passports to six British citizens, living in Israel, whose identities were used by the suspects, to protect them from inadvertent arrest by Interpol.
Bodenheimer, who immigrated to Israel from the United States more than 20 years ago, studies at a kollel, a yeshiva for married men. He said he was astounded to see the UAE list contained his name, supposedly belonging to a German citizen.
"At first we didn't understand what everyone was talking about," Bodenheimer's daughter said. "The picture that was published doesn't look like him at all. He busies himself with Torah study," she said, adding that he holds no citizenship other than Israeli and American.
Hamas: Slain commander put himself at risk
A Hamas legislator on Saturday said Hamas strongman Mahmoud al-Mabhouh put himself at risk by booking his trip through the Internet.
The Hamas legislator, Salah Bardawil, also told a news conference Saturday that Mabhouh took additional risk by informing his Gaza family by telephone at which hotel he would be staying.
Mabhouh's family on Saturday denied that he acted recklessly, according to Army Radio.
Dubai police and Hamas have blamed Israel's Mossad spy agency for the killing. However, Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon said Saturday that there was no evidence tying Israel to the killing of Mabhouh at a luxury Dubai hotel on January 20.
"I don't forsee a crisis with European allies because there is nothing that ties Israel to the assassination," Ayalon said at an event in Rehovot.
"Britain, France and Germany all share our interests in the battle against global terror," Ayalon added. "Therefore, there will be no crisis. Instead our relations [with these countries] will continue to deepen," Ayalon added.
Report: Credit cards implicate Israel in hit
Also on Saturday, Arabic-language daily newspaper Al Bayan reported that Dubai police had new evidence implicating Israel's intelligence agency Mossad in the assassination of the Hamas commander, which included credit card payments and suspects' phone records.
"Dubai police have information confirming that the suspects purchased travel tickets from companies in other countries with credit cards carrying the same names we have publicized [in the passports]," Al Bayan quoted Dubai police chief Dahi Khalfan Tamim as saying.
The newspaper did not provide further details.
Meanwhile, a Qatar news agency reported that Egyptian delegates promised Dubai officials that they would try to persuade Israel to officially apologize for the assassination of Mabhouh in their country.
Egyptian diplomats told Al-Arab newspaper that Dubai has asked Egypt to formally reprimand Israel for the hit.
Dubai police last week released photographs of 11 of the suspects. Interpol said on Thursday it had issued "red notices" for the suspects' arrest in any of its 188 member countries.
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A man named as Michael Bodenheimer, one of the suspects in the Dubai killing, shares a name with an Israeli. |
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Where's your proof he was "running arms"? that`s what I thought...
The latest number now stands at: AT 40+. A GRAND MAGICIANS are at WORK. It also seems Dubai has the DNA to prove it? Ha HA HA HA. Meantime I have many more stories to tell.
I am reading articles from all over the world and following a number of Dubai sources, including the Dubai Police and I can?t see any proof anywhere, but the world is screaming ? ISRAEL DID IT? Where, what how why ? I doubt the Mossad would need 26 people to get rid of one man. There are too many inconsistencies. The disguises were so amateurish, the 'assassins' appeared to be looking straight into the cameras half the time. Where are the two suspects tracked to Iran after leaving Dubai? How did they manage to get the room opposite Mahmoud Al Mabhouh? Why would a man, who is paranoid about his safety, so much so that his wife doesn't know what he does, who never goes anywhere without bodyguards, who uses 5 fake passports ( which countries passports are those, may I ask ?) out of the blue, go to another country without his bodyguards and then pops off into town on his own?? !! There are SOOOOOO many questions to answere
This type of work is done on a cash only basis, i would guess. Credit cards can be used with a cash deposit, pre-payment, on the card; but the names on the cards would be doubtful. Cell phones can be used the same way as credit cards.
Interesting that the Mossad forgers nearly always signed the false passports with just initial an last name (a couple of exceptions). This unusual practice of course has helped Dubai trace them as it now is helping other countries security services check passports for likely Mossad operative aliases. This is a huge huge cock-up by Mossad, no doubt about it. Totally amateurish.
Dubai has charged that the terrorist Hamas killer was assassinated by Israel's Mossad intelligence service, but all the evidence actually points in other directions: 1. All the passports were forged, with mismatched pictures and birthdays and signatures that don't match the people whose names were ion the forged passports 2. Two of the accused were traced and traveled direct from Dubai to Iran, surely indicating that Iran may very well have been involved in the killing 3. The victim was richly endowed with enemies in Hamas, Fatah and other Muslim groups 4. The amateur sloppiness of the team is surely a sign that this was not a Mossad operation, because that service is well known for the professionalism and precision of its agents 5. A number of the pictures have already been linked to known Fatah terrorists and other enemies of the slain Hamas arms-buyer and murderer 6. If Israel weer to mount an operation in and Arab country using forged passports, you can be sure that not one of the
Thought I'd read Ha'aretz coverage to see the Israeli point of view - the articles are excellent, but the comments above are really disturbing - most of the posters come across as unpleasant bloodthirsty racists, shame on you.
Police say all but four were MasterCard cards issued by Meta Financial Group Inc., a lender based in Storm Lake, Iowa, that operates under the name MetaBank. A MetaBank spokeswoman, ShaRee Schnitker, declined to comment because the bank is "trying to confirm the accuracy of statements by the press." Dubai police tied MetaBank to another American company, Payoneer Inc., which provides prepaid MasterCards issued by MetaBank and other lenders. The role of the privately held company, which is based in New York and has a research and development center in Tel Aviv, was not immediately clear.
The issuer of these credit cards on behalf of the American banks is an Israeli American firm that has a research center in Israel......Need to say more?
I did refer you to an Iraqi's calling the Israeli leaders and Israel all in their classiness by just keeping quiet because otherwise it adds unjustified debate that in the end we know it was unproven. In any case the Mossad would never be so clumsy when carrying a job. Of course no one is perfect and angels they are not.But the most efficient service in the whole wide world is certain.And admired by many who in effect may be pleased,but will not utter this for fear of being by partizan.i.e Arab countries in particular. Therefore,Mossad did make mistakes in the past. But if anyone thinks being a secret agent is an easy job,then please come forward and show your METTLE to try.
But six millions in toto.Additonally the NATO I made a mistake writing that it was; Only one millions
If you contend Israel is the only democratic country in the Middle East, you are wrong. Turkey and Lebanon are democracies and have been so long before Israeli statehood. Jordan, Kuwait, Morocco and Dubai are Constitutional Monarchies modeled after the government of the UK. It is uncertain why this is important, it says little about the practical ethics and morals actually practiced by these governments. Democracy or not, Israel is in violation of more UN resolutions than any country in the world. There is no other democracy oppressing over 3 million people in an illegal occupation.
If you contend Israel is the only democratic country in the Middle East, you are wrong. Turkey and Lebanon are democracies and have been so long before Israeli statehood. Jordan, Kuwait, Morocco and Dubai are Constitutional Monarchies modeled after the government of the UK. It is uncertain why this is important, it says little about the practical ethics and morals actually practiced by these governments. Democracy or not, Israel is in violation of more UN resolutions than any country in the world. There is no other democracy oppressing over 3 million people in an illegal occupation.
I find many of your columnists speculative, decontextual, and clearly ego drive, when it comes to Israel, with total obliviousness that Israel is and has been involved in an ongoing existential struggle for its survival. You do not offer a balanced coverage when it comes to Israel-hardly any "good" and appreciative news.
How do you know they were "terrorists" ? because the IDF and israeli government said so ? you have no idea. Can you rely on israeli version ? Did you believe Powell at the UN when he declared Iraq had Nuclear weapons ? i bet you did ! like most Americans. Stop propaganda please.
Never in the realm of history were so many so wrong about the Mossad as the few who will not swallow it. The odds on the story swallowers are the dimwitted ones Ian. The normal and judicious people take it in their stride and call the first sisypians THREE CHEERS FOR IAN
Whoever carried the job is not known. Mossad would not have made such a botched job. It re,ains to be seen who,what,where and HOW. And your last sentence says it all:You cannot accuse Israel (with proof) that Mossad assassinated someone who was never present in Dubai. Of course not.Even if it was the Mossad which has NOT been PROVEN,whoever carried it out kudos to them getting rid of the scumbag. One down several to go I say.No great loss now is it?
What about the NATO forces who killed several civilians (supposed accident) in Afghanistan yesterday? And if you assume that the CIA is pure and stainless you need to read their shenanigans throughout the years. They have killed over one million people. No secret service personnel is immune to criticism.Every country has done it,and still do TODAY IN THIS 21ST CENTURY. Wake up to reality Ron and stop blaming Israel solely.But then this is your modus openrandi. Blaming one side i.e Israel,absolving the terrorists. LOL
There is one little difference between US drone attacks in Afghanistan and Pakistan and political assassinations. US armed forces are actively engaged in combat operations against Al Qaeda and the Taliban. The CIA drone attacks are in support of those combat operations by killing members of the military forces fighting the US in the field. The Israelis, if they are behind the Dubai assassination, carry out such an operation to kill someone to perpetuate and eliminate opposition to the Israeli 42-year illegal occupation of another people's territory. That occupation is in violation of international law. Israelis kill resistors to oppress those who rebel against that violation of international law. There is no moral equivalency.
How did Mossad kill a Hamas top official who was not "present" in Dubai? Eveybody seems to forget that Al Mabhouh travelled on a false passport! Who issued the passport. This is Danny Ayalon's line of reasoning. You cannot accuse Israel (with proof) that Mossad assassinated someone who was never present in Dubai.
and lying in all areas.Here in Canada we have now the Winter Olympics. By and large a well organized afair with some minor mistakes such as the fencing of the Olympic Flame downtown with a chain fence,now replaced with a plexiglass within 3 days of openning. Brian Burke, the manager of the USA Hockey Team was to five olympics and declared that the Vancouver Olympic Games are the best he ever attended. There was a tragic death og Georgian Luge raiser who ejected from the ice tunnel and hit a post. Since then none of luge racers experienced major problems on the luge run. But the Brits are smearing Canada ahead of the 2012 Olympic Games in England. Let the British smear their best friends, so they look better in 2012. Just Ignore the Britts.
The article does not mention which travel document the applicant presented at the Cologne County Court House. Since he is called "an Israeli man", it is fair to assume that he presented an Israeli passport whith the datas of Michael Bodenheimer - execept a different photo and residence (Herzliya instead of Bnei Brak). Who but Mossad could have made possible the issue of such a document?
People have been speculating that the Mossad made fake passports, but didn't anyone consider the fact that they could have stolen REAL passports of people in Israel and fraudulently manipulated them?
'Arabian Jew', with respect, you sound a little like the people you criticise.
it probably was not Mossad. Why would they neither confirm nor deny? If when they could honestly deny and had a policy to do so, then when they did do it and thus neither confirm nor deny then it would be confirming without directly saying so.
Sensationalists like other tabloids without caring about damaging Israel' image. How could anybody assure that Netaniahu gave the green light for the execution? and have Haaretz repeat it !! Tabloid at best.
is it my imagination ...or do the men with glasses seem to be the same person. different hair and disguise
YOu do not get to decide whether there is proof or not.t We do. Just wait.
Interpol said on Thursday it had issued "red notices" for the suspects' arrest in any of its 188 member countries. HOW COME THEY DID NOT ISSUE "red notices" for the arrest in any of its 188 member countries FOR Mahmoud al-Mabhouh? OR FOR ALL THE OTHER TERRORISTS FOR THAT MATTER.
Are there any benefit of doubts when it comes to Israel , Jews , Orthodox....????? Or it never entered your mind that it might be , just once in a while , in order ? Daily Mail , Reuter , secret service agent , Paliwood ....it all have a cut-in-stone credibility in your narrowly funneled , one-trek mind . And , beside , you are a lucky man who found an Israeli paper where you can vent and release all this small-mind accumulated pressure . What a waste of a human unintelligent energy !
the world a better place for all .
for what?? So far there is no proof of Israel's imvolvement. Just apologizing to make Dubai feel better is out of the question. If Mossad killed this guy in Dubai then the Mossad is crazy...but apologizing is crazier.
A credit card has to be paid by a check or bank transfer. Follow the money. Of course, the cards could have been stolen, but every stone needs to be turned.
The duty of care of personal safety and *information* of innocent travelers. The following article gives food for thought. Haaretz 10.1.2010 "Israeli firm blasted for letting would-be plane bomber slip through" The Israeli firm, ICTS, (not to be confused with ICTS Europe) was established in 1982 by former members of Shin Bet and El Al Security. The company prides itself on employing 1300 persons, and providing security services to airports in 11 countries, including France, Britain, Spain, Hungary, Romania and Russia. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1141434.html
in June 2009 an Israeli man named Michael Bodenheimer - who shares the name of an alleged member of the Dubai hit squad - came to immigration officials in Cologne with the pre-World War II address of his grandparents." Sorry, how do they know for sure, that this man was an Israeli? The German report rather should read: a man maintaining to be Michael Bodenheimer from Israel.... A forged Israeli passport is no problem today.
Typical Israeli response. Sure there is no proof yet that the Moussad did it. But, one must consider the long history of previous denials: having nuclear weapons; King David Hotel bombing; murder of COunt Bernadotte; "accidental" bombing of the USS Liberty; ethnic cleansing in 48-49; murders in Lebanon Pal camps; spying on America, repeatedly. What does Israel expect? That we believe it? If not guilty, just say it and wait for proof otherwise.
What you wrote about the hundreds of Israelis applauding might not be, but the part about IDF hitting civilians is certainly a huge generalization. Most of those hit were terrorists. "And how about those hundreds of israelis applauding last year in Gaza when the IDF hit civilians ?"
As soon as a citizen takes aliyah then their country of birth should revoke their passport. They can then travel the world on their Israeli passport. And if they want to renew their "other" passport then they have to reside in their "mother country" and they have to renounce their Israeli citizenship. Massively inconvenient to all the olim, of course, but the fault for that would lie with the Israeli govt, and with no-one else. Pretty simple, I would have thought i.e. no Israeli citizen can hold a foreign passport, and the reason WHY is that the Israeli govt insists on abusing that privilege for its own illegal purposes.
comes in loud and clear! Its on all major networks ABC NBC CBS CNN FOX etc etc. I saw through Dubya,s or was it Chaney's, Wolfiwitz and Roves EXCUSE to invade Iraq on the false premise of WMD's. Even the Orwellian changing of the very meaning (it always meant nukes before 911) Leading up to the invasion we had an unending stream of Rhettoric machines that misled the American public! The Neo cons and Likud were in glee (no candies but war euphoria all the same) and new that this was the excuse they needed to get Sadam and wrap the Israeli iron fisted occupation with the war on terror. It was a rather pathetic time when the Bush admin. was repeating Likud talking points adnauseam. AIPAC and PNAC come in loud and clear too but one has to read, unfortunately most Americans don't it would seem....PEACE EVER?............P.S. Sam Soul Thanks for pinch hitting for me! Remember Samid the steadfast one!
to wipe off all that egg on the faces of the oh so competent Dubai police force, the British foreign office, and all the oh so intelligent talkbackers here (like Sam) when their accusations of this guy's death being caused by the Mossad turns out to be just so much hogwash? His door was locked from inside, no? How much political advantage, boasting, and hate-driven invective can you get out of someone's heart attack?
Elsewhere it has been alleged that the UK knew about this in advance and even worked with Mossad. It's easy to believe that guilt-ridden Germans also cooperated. How else could the passport be genuine?
And who are you to say what Israel should do? I do know here the U.S. if I'm accused of a crime I have a right to say nothing, and by doing that the legal system states it means nothing and says nothing about my guilt or innocence. That a jury must not hold it against me if I choose not to speak on the matter. Of course Israel is routinely denied this leeway and presumed guilty, even when no evidence exists...at least at this point...to implicate Israel. The only two arrested suspects are Palestinians with Fatah links, what do think of that? Could this have been infighting between rival Palestinian groups? Why don't you tell the Pals what they should be saying, maybe they'll heed your advice.
Could you just mention which religions outnumber jews "billions to one" - or even "millions to one". Of course not, you're mad!
Have another Red Bull in the Internet Cafe. That is if you are of age. The only followers that I have are my Border Collies. As for ... "Good night from snowy Swiss Alps", that is where I am. Now, go to bed. For its late. Do not forget to say your prayers. You may just need them. Good night from snowy Swiss Alps.
If an Israeli obtained a German passport based on his ancestors being in Germany, he was saying he was not wanting any real connection to Germany or Germans, just to use the passport for Israeli political purposes. Also, this assasination provokes Hamas. It's not a good idea. Of course, some in Israel, in Arab conspiracy mentality style, are saying it couldn't be the Mossad. The Mossad did a bad job in Jordan in the late 90s when Netanyahu was prime minister, and Israel used Canadian passports in that case. What would stop Israel from doing that again? Europe needs to have biometric passports that show who is going and who is not going here and there. The Mossad is messing things up for Israelis who have dual nationality and want to be able to work in Europe without being viewed with suspicion just because they are Jewish. Great job, Israel! Deny this, because this is horrible for you.
Previously people were accusing Mossad on the baseless assumption that only Mossad is smart enough to arrange the false passports,even though they can be bought and sold on the Internet for any country. Now they're trying to tell us that Mossad is so stupid that it uses a real,traceable passport. How many ways do the Israel-haters want it? THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL!!!
Surely, the government of Israel knows whether they did it or not. If they didn't, this is a case which cries out for them to publicly deny involvement. Simply saying that the evidence is insufficient to link them to the plot is insufficient.
It's rare to hear Israelis speak of "European allies" (Ayalon). Nevertheless, please let's not blindly accept all customs that come from Israel this time. Two thousand years ago there were already people coming from there with ideas concerning as how to treat "thy neighbour". And they had enormous success among our folks. Beware!
Stephen makes real points and all you can do is reply with some lame threat? What a wimp you are. Watch your back in Basel, indeed. Minarets a-falling.
As far as I can see the only thing that is certain,and I'm starting to have my doubts,is that Mabhouh is dead. All the rest seems to be innuendo,insinuation,unjustified assumptions and premature accusations based on statements by a hostile Dubai policeman of dubious ability. THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL!!!
Like you got a real true picture form way over in Detroit. Sure. Your scared kind will always hate Jews because we got you your civil rights in the US, and because our Book goes against your Christian Bible and your Muslim Koran, take your pick. You know the meaning of mass age-old bias? The whole shindig about Mossad is just the latest set-up to blame Israel again for doodley-squat, and if you can't see this latest Jew-hating plot, there's nothing more one can tell you.
Since I am a Swiss Citizen. Maybe you are not. Then again, I am a somebody in Switzerland. Basel is my playground. Do not play silly games. For, the Polizei Federal will check you out. Now, piss off. Guten arbend, mein fruend.
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why hasn't the majority of Arab States expressed any outrage? So quiet on the Arab front, makes one wonder. No Saudi accusations, nothing from any leading Arab country. I find that very interesting don't you?
is exactly what the left wingnuts do.
Watch your back. Who is the person who has been following you the last few days, Stephen? Do you know him? No? You should.
Hamas is humiliated, again. They look like complete fools, and now are trying to blame the guy killed for poor planning. This lets them off the hook for the high level intelligence penetration that led to his assassination. Even his family is denying that was true, Hamas just threw Mahmoud al-Mabhouh under the train, just to cover their own ineptness, I think it's kind of funny, really! Also Hamas must consider the possibility of a traitor in their ranks. Sweet! Unless of course the story is true that a Hamas Pal was involved too? The plot thickens? Well Hamas can can always do what they do best, arrest, torture and kill suspects without trials, being the lovers of freedom that they are. Even Goldstone accused Hamas of summary executions...of opposition (read Fatah members)... in his war crimes report, remember? and the anti-Israel writers defend this trash, what a joke! Oh, we don't want to talk about that though?do we!
Perhaps you enlighten us by tellling who was the Mossad operative name. Why on earth a Mossad operative would tell to an English newspaper that Mossad was behind of this operation. Why Daily Mail does not reveal the name of the Mossad operator who has confirmed the Operation. Why do you want to swallow this lie? Aby
We have heard lots of allegations by Hamas, the Dubai police and the international media but there is still no evidence that that the terrorist died of anything other than an ordinary natural heart attack.
We have heard lots of allegations by Hamas, the Dubai police and the international media but there is still no evidence that that the terrorist died of anything other than an ordinary natural heart attack.
there are dozens of security or espionage service killings every year all around the world and nobody cares unless one can smear Israel with it. take for example the London polonium murder by russian agents, kidnap and torture of Al kaida persons, Chechens, etc, etc,
Ayalon should learn how to keep his mouth shut --- and then resign. He's a walking time bomb and an embarrassment to Israel
Forget about the so called Intel nonsense from some anonymous Israeli Intel official. Forget about The Daily Mail. They have to sell newspapers. Remember that, so much info has been thrown to the media. Somebody wants to screw Israel. So far, they have done quite well. In the end, we will see Israel, themselves, showing the media who was behind this charade,my guess, it was Iran. The snow is great. Was on the "black course". Take care and have a great Sunday. Stephen.
I believe THE rich guy from Saudi ArBA bIN lADEN CLAIMED ONE OF THE REASON FOR THE wORLD tRADE cENTER aTTTACK ON CIVIKIANS WAS BECAUSE OF THE CONFLICT BETWEEN pAL. aND iSRAEL hE HAD SO MANY REASONS THIS WAS JUST ONE OF THEM. aND THE DANCING mUSLIMS IN bROOKLYN nY LOVED IT
let the german consulate ask Mr bodenheimer present hie passport an check wheather ther is a Dubai stemp on it. If this is not the case the identity was forged
Good to know that this distinguished gentlemean at least died in comfort at a luxury hotel. Seems like Hamas doesn't mind its strong men cavorting in luxury while the Gaza populace lives in hardship. Another sign that this organization really doesn't care about the Palestinian people. The only mid-east group with leadership more abysmal than Israel is the Palestinians (well, maybe the Iranians too).
Credit Cards. Names of living folk. Fatah and Hamas security officials involved. Theatrical beyond belief. A Dubai Chief of Police jabbering away. Way beyond his understanding. The British are up in arms. So are the Germans and French. Not to forget the Irish..I wonder what Col.Travers has to say. This is such a screw up, that only the "Fiddlers" of Iran could have been involved. The victim was well known. He spent time in Israel, ok, in prison. Only a third rate Intel Service would have sent such a large team after one guy. Israel, holy moly, they could have taken him out in Damascus,Beirut,Tehran or Khartoum. As a law enforcement fellow said to me, so many fingers point to Israel, that is not the MO of Mossad, CIA,M16,FSB, SIS or 007. Ha. Good night from snowy Swiss Alps.
.. because they do not match current european standarts of looking straight forward and hardly smiling, making them biometric.
Sounds to me that you are attempting to whitewash and coverup aN international murder investigation with the use of international threats against Dubai in favor of Mossad by demanding that Dubai pick sides! For your information, Dubai has already picked sides, and that is the side of international LAW...Perhaps Dubai should issue a warrant for your arrest also for obstructing justice...Now, why don't you run along and play cowboys and indians with Peter SM...
Why should the UAE pick sides? 29 countries consider Hamas a terrorist organization:163 don't. None consider Hamas an international terrorist organization. And only Israel considers Israel the center of the world. Even if the UAE chose to keep al-Mabhouh out of the UAE, he was traveling in alias. Carlos the Jackal traveled often in Europe in alias as an international fugitive. The UAE is not neutral, and you should not suggest the US pick sides. The UAE is arguably more important to the US than Israel. The US and the UAE have special petroleum ties. It provides unique intelligence support in the war on terror: against al Qaeda. Israel plays no role in that war. UAE ports host more US naval ships than any foreign ports in the world. Its troops fought with US forces in Gulf War, had troops killed, and were one of the first to enter Kuwait city. It hosts more than 2,500 US military personnel, and an air base. It supported US in Kosovo and Somalia. It now has troops in Afghanistan.
If Mossad did it they wanted the world to know JEWISH blood is not cheap
If they did clap they learned it from the Muslims that danced and and gave away candy when Muslims flew plane into world trade center killing 3000. What crime did the 3000 do
people need to understand that applying for a credit card under false name and providing a false social security number (which was likely the case) is a felony under US law. A valid US address had to be provided for the card and someone was responsible for the bill. Sure, the address will turn out to be false too, but banks don't like it when their bills go unpaid, last I heard. Furthermore, for a credit to be granted, a credit report was pulled. To obtain a decent credit line, a credit history had to be available correlating the name and the social security number. So now, not only are the Israelis whose identities were stollen have compromised passport numbers (even if they get new ones). But at least one or more have their credit compromised. I expect Dubai's next move will be to advertise the name of the issuing banks and the names on the account. Then there'll be a formal request for investigation. Was mossad foolish enough to use one of the "real" passport holders' names?
Nati, its good that we got to choices or more, not only the choice you expect. Shabbat Shalom
" Secondly, a puzzle still to figured out, widely reported, but never mentioned in any commentary, the victim`s hotel room door was still locked from the inside, when the thug was found dead in his room." - Neil, #81 Hmmm! The anti-Israel frothing at the mouth by Dubais, Brits, talbackers and more is indicative of the enormous odds for exponentially increasing Jew-hate by a majority of 2 later faiths which must deny Jews validity in order to validate their own - and whose populations outnumber that of Jews by billions to one. Think on those odds and influence alone for a moment, and it is no wonder that so many are still against Jews and their claim to even their one tiny state. Anything connected with Jews will always be perceived as wrong and guilty by multitudes, from the killing of Jesus to the Middle Age plagues, to the modern Mossad and on and on... No surprise at all.
Mahmoud al-Mabhouh exposed himself at risk by his violent behaviors rather than by booking his trip through the Internet
So far, the two Palestinian ARABS that have been arrested in Dubai are linked to FATAH, SWORN ENEMIES of HAMAS. Secondly, a puzzle still to figured out, widely reported, but never mentioned in any commentary, the victim's hotel room door was still locked from the inside, when the thug was found dead in his room.
RE:By the way Arafat gave his blood to the 9/11 victims...but that does not count right ? I have to admit that you gave me a good laugh, here. LOL
And you choose not to have memory.
Smothering a Hamas snake: Priceless!
Did i make myself clear ? Did you t least understand my post ? I don't think you did. You generalize. By the way Arafat gave his blood to the 9/11 victims...but that does not count right ? And how about those hundreds of israelis applauding last year in Gaza when the IDF hit civilians ? I confirm, you think too much about something that does not even touch you directly.
Ayalon statement reminds me of a movie where Dana Carvey playing a dumb thief says "There is nothing at all that ties us to the robbery except our finger prints".
no need for apologies, just hit back.
This is a message to the UAE. Israel is telling the UAE : you need to pick sides. Hamas is considered a terrorist organization by the EU, USA, and Israel. Had this guy gone to Europe for a transit visit, he would have been arrested. Dubai does not arrest him, and let him and other Hamas and Iranian people pass through freely. So I think this was a message to the UAE before it being a message to Hamas. For long the UAE has been the eye of the hurricane, the calm area in the midst of the storm. It was the middle east Switzerland that tried not to take sides, where enemies could trade with each other. It wanted to remain neutral. However, being neutral may now be viewed as a strategic threat to Israel or even the USA. This may be a dangerous strategy though as it could backfire, and I think the UAE police chief's strong reaction, was also a threat, to the west that is could backfire and that the UAE may move in the opposite direction if Israel/US is trying to push it away from Iran.
You forget which is the only democratic country in the Middle East; it is surrounded by a whole load of undemocratic countries where the television and newspapers are controlled by government. So I wonder which of the countries in the Middle East tell lies. Do you think it is the undemocratic countries?
The Mossad did not do it, and the Israeli army did not kill purposely civilians in Gaza. Same denial. Go to some US media and watch the surveillance videos. They tell the whole story. You see the faces, disguises Etc... How can deny ??
It's the economy, the rest is nonsense. Hunger and fear get voters attention.
or the airlines to book his trip through them. But he did trust the Internet????????
Isn't the law of Gazastan whatever Hamas says it it on an hourly basis?
dubai and its police is making a complete fool of themselves... some self-adulation is ok, but they are having orgasms about how clever they are. apart from some cctv, they havent shown any evidence for anything in 4 weeks...thats pitiful... looking forward to the forensic report with watertight confirmation that the guy was murdered, and for SOME evidence, it has been mossad...
...troops on Israel's southern border. Do any of Israel's critics care to also to be critical of Iran's led coalition of armed forces, i.e. Iran-Hizballah-IslamicJihad-Hamas-Syria, whose declared goal is to wipe Israel, a United Nations member state, off the face of earth..??
but if it's true, it was indeed a shoody piece of work. Mabhouh was a legitimate target - but why endanger the lives and safety of Israelis by using their passports?
Publishing pictures no one knows who thwy are!!! 2 Pals arested why they don't blame the Pals???
I knew, Sam, that with your superior understanding of things, you'd be able to give a really logical interpretation of what we witnessed on tv. So there were only 15 celebrating? That makes sense! I guess I do waste a lot of time thinking too much. Next time I need a reasonable answer, I can depend on you to provide one. Now, what are the real names of the Mossad operators who killed al-Mabhouh? And thanks for the prayers. "So you watched 15 palestinians celebrating 9/11 on tv and think palestinians all celebrated that tragic event? Don`t waste your time thinking too much Utagawa."
Actually you haven't heard anyone regret that this admittedly not very nice person died. I think you'll find the objection is the use of fake/forged passports which actually belong to the country whose name is stamped on the front. You might think that putting at risk the citizens of those countries at risk when they undertake legitimate business abroad whether it's a holiday or on business is a hoot. I can assure that we do not, and when your ambassadors were called in to explain things, they were invited to put the record straight they chose not to. The foreign ministers of the countries involved meet in Brussels on Monday, we'll see if you think it's a harmless bit fun then.
"...the US government has access to all US bank records thanks to the Patriot Act. They can go in even without warrants and see who really opened the credit card accounts and who is paying the bills.." Do you really think the US is not in on this? The US government is very happy that a Hammas terrorist has been eliminated, and they would never do anything to expose Israel.
This is the most comical and poorly-executed assassination in history. I always knew the mossad was neither intelligent nor sophisticated. I mean, do you remember all of the mistakes it made in the 60's, 70's, and 80's?
I know it sux that you lost one of your "brothers"...one of your front line pawns in your war on the jews....well, I guess that sux for you. There is NO WAY the mossad would ever use credit cards that could be traced back to them, so that whole propostion is ridiculous. Whoever did do it, it was a job well done. No one else was hurt, a scumbag died, like he knew could happen, and he now has his 72 virgins.. one question for the jew haters here: have you once complained that this man had 5 different countries passports and that he was running arms illegally from iran to gaza to support terrorism? that's what I thought...you not only dont care, you supported what he was doing, and therefore your pissed that he was killed...oh well. bravo, a job well done. next!
They'll have a hard time claiming "Nobody saw me!" in this case.
So you watched 15 palestinians celebrating 9/11 on tv and think palestinians all celebrated that tragic event ? I'm palestinian and prayed for the victims. Any other question ? Now should i conclude that, as some israelis think Baruch Goldstein is a hero, all israelis are criminals ? Don't waste your time thinking too much Utagawa.
Where are they and what happened to the 2 Palestinian Arabs, supposedly in the pay of Dahlan, who were extradited from Jordan to Dubai? Are the oh so efficient Dubai police working them over and making sure they get their stories straight before they confess to working for the Mossad?
This arrogant killing will make an invaluable contribution to end the international isolation of Gaza.
if the same name credit card was used, then the funding of the credit card could be traced, and it may be possible to identify, the person, where the credit card statements were addressed,the bank acoount statement address, etc... and it may very well lead to isreali agents/citizens.
Thanks for pointing out my deficiency. Just for the sake of argument, I'll accept your witty observation, but even without a brain I have eyes and I'm not the only one in this world who saw this shameless celebration of a massive massacre of innocent lives. Perhaps you should watch those news clips along with Jim. I'm sure with your intelligence, you'll be able to give us a better interpretation. "You may have a television but you definately have no brain. Generalization is the food of ignorance."
This was either a well thought out Mossad assasination with enough players to muddy the waters or it was an amateur assasination by another group trying to put the blame on the Mossad. For all we know Mossad might be scratching their heads wondering who really did it. There are too many roads leading nowhere. As usaual the word of the day for Israel and the Mossad is ambiguity. As an aside...since the guy died....the air does smells sweeter.
You may have a television but you definately have no brain. Generalization is the food of ignorance.
If Mossad is accused Netanyahu, Lieberman, Ayalon and Dagan have to be arrested for Murder and Identity Theft.
"Ever since 911 the Israeli propagandists have blended the Palestinians fight against the occupation in to the worlds fight on terror" I know Ontario is a rather remote region, and I'm not sure if they have televisions up there, Jim, but if there are tv's I guess you missed the newsclips of Palestinian Arabs dancing and handing out sweets when they heard the news about 9/11. I saw those clips and after that it has been hard for me to separate the two.
shows itself to be the Great Liar - and the biggest threat to peace in the Middle East. Sooner or later G-d will wipe out this travesty of the real Israel
Are you telling me that the Martians stole those passports at israeli road blocks in the west bank took photos a developed them in MARS? It is very clear who did all that and it is not the first time and would not be the last.
These suspects being accused of the Murder of Mr Mabhouh can clearly indentified so let Interpol carry out an arrest warrant for them. They can be questioned and if they have nothing to fear the should be cleared. When a state goes down the road of murder without a trial they become murders and leave themselves open for retaliation of there own civilians. As for using another nation passports to carry this act shows a total lack of respect to that nation.
I do suppose we shoulD wait for Dubai to decidE this issue. NOBODY CARES NOR BELIEVE YOU STUPID FM n.2, after PM, n.3. especially after your denial.
Just for the record. The German registration office has issued a proper passport on the name of the person called Mr. Bodenheimer in 2009. The person who named itself Bodenheimer produced papers to German authorities stating that his parents were from German origin and had to leave Germany because of the NAZIs, giving him the opportunity to aplly for a German citizenship and passport.
Nor is there such "proof" that Iran is working toward nuclear weapons. If smoke does not equal fire, that goes all around!
It is ditressing to see how even governments get carried away with flights of fancy. Hysterical reaction points the finger at Israel in the same way as the old blood libels accuing Jews of killing children for matzos and the baying pack follow. Logical thought does not even enter into the framework. Why should Israel steal the IDs of six of its own residents if it wished to mount a secret and anonymous operation? Are they incapable of finding other false IDs in a world population of billions. Even someone who cannot do the simplest maths would work out odds pointing to Israel. Hello there , It was me! I did it! Fair cop guv. Those are the famous words of old time British bobbies when they framed and planted evidence on their poor victims.
The election campaign has just kicked off in the UK.And as we are accused of being an Islamic caliphate with Londonistan as it's capital. Milliband and Brown might just decide it's a vote winner (3 million to be precise) to give Israel slightly more than a slap on the wrist. There is already a war of words between the political parities occuring about who would act the toughest against Israel. I and many others have spent the last week contacting our elected officials pouring petrol on the fire. One million people marched against the Israel's invasion of Lebanon in 2006. Thats a lot of voters who could be made to come onboard and vote Labour, particularly after allegations that Israel's lobby in the UK gave £30 million to the Conservative Party. But you'll know all that won't you?
Everytime an Israeli goes abroad, he faces the danger of his passport being stolen. It's a well known fact that Israeli passports are the most expensive ones in the blackmarket of stealing and forging passports. The biggest danger is at checkpoints where they can easily be photographed and forged.
Ever since 911 the Israeli propagandists have blended the Palestinians fight against the occupation in to the worlds fight on terror. Its worked so well that Ayalon can't stop it from dripping from his mind and out of his mouth! But hey theres no "proof" so lets just forget it shhhhhhh.....PEACE NEVER?
According to an article in the Daily Mail, a Mossad operative confirmed, that the Mossad was behind the whole thing, and that the British governement was informed in advance, that they would use faked British passports. Now you can say that you don't trust the source in the Daily Mail article, fair enough...but still, it doesn't look at all, as if the Mossad wouldn't have had anything to do with it, believe me, the British secret service, is usually not the most ill informed in this world.....
The US carries out assasinations nearly every day. The CIA using unmanned air vehicles fire missiles into Pakistan from Afghanistan and have killed hundreds and hundreds of so called terrorists and many civilians. So Israel is not the only country to carry out assasinations. And I'm not sure one of the undemocratic arab countries i.e. Dubai can criticise anyone.
based on his parents' status as persecuted by Nazis. - see Spiegel online http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,679223,00.html
First of all it was a declaration of war then it was surgical strikes on Dimona then it was billions in compensation plus the severing of diplomatic ties and now it is face up Monday time. Well Chris nothing will happen on Monday that you wish for so much as none of the above did either. Face it Chris this will never be more than a small diplomatic spat. All countries intelligence agencies use false passports and if one gets caught then for the public at least the other has to show some sort of dissatisfaction. It must be rememembered that al-Mabouh was also travelling on a false passport buying illegal weapons for an internationaly recognised terrorist organisation. No Western power will fall out with Israel for the sake of that scumbag.
by now we know the world loves to hate jews it does not matter that there is no proof who did the assassination!! just blame the jews and get on with your life.
Six British passport then they picked up few Irish passports, a French and a German one to make sure all european countried are happy twith planet Mars. Then they obtained Credit cards issued by American banks(It is a mail fraud crime in the U.S.to be investigated by the FBI). Those martians came to Dubai from diffrent countried to confuse the other planets. ah those martian assasins they killed an unarmed person in his hotel room. They are really bad martians. Please dont blame israel blame the planets.
But this is the main point of the enterprise.
"Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon said on Saturday that there was no evidence tying Israel to the assassination of Hamas strongman Mahmoud al-Mabhouh in Dubai last month." Well just about everything Ayalon says is wrong, so I expect this is too. Notice how countries with massive intelligence operations likes France and Britain are all resolutely pointing the finger at Israel. Nobody's speculating on who apart from Mossad did this killing, because they're obviosuly all sure it was Mossad. To be honest, Ayalon would be better keeping quiet on this. The feeling that Israel is lying bare-faced to us, as well as stealing our passports, only damages Israel's credibility even further. Mind you, no surpries there since damaging Israel's credibility seems to be Ayalon's job description.
Thank you Ayalon for confessing that Israel's Mossad was behind the hit: "I don't foresee a crisis with European allies because there is nothing that ties Israel to the assassination," This means that even if Israel was behind it, there's no evidence tying Israel to it. "Britain, France and Germany all share our interests in the battle against global terror", this means that Israel did it, and it's a part of its fight against terror. The word global here clearly says that it's OK for the assassination to be on someone else's soil because it's a fight against GLOBAL terror! Thank you very much Mr. Ayalon for your confessions!!
let us vote.
in which a person currently employed by Mossad widely leaked information in which it was stated that Israel had forewarned the United Kingdom that an operation was about to go live, that the operatives were going to be using fake British Passports and there is a chance that the shit will hit the fan. Was not true then? Which is why the Foreign Office in the UK felt the need to deny that no such warning took place, and they in turn have issued a statement that essentially states that Israel is trying to deflect criticism away from itself. Avigdor (the nightclub bouncer) Lieberman is meeting the Foreign Ministers of Ireland, the UK, France and Germany on Monday, unless Netanyahu cancels the trip. Which promises to start the week off on a very entertaining note. We know what you did and how you did it. When we invited Prosor to fess up last week it was an opportunity to come clean. You didn't do it Lieberman is going to hear the news, and recieve the proof, on Monday
i know they can't admit it but u.s and england knew
Every day they make statements that claim they have found even more evidence against Israel. Where is the beef? All I smell is a rat!
have incriminated the Palistinians and Hamas.
just more innuendo from Dubai.
just more innuendo from Dubai.
The credit cards are linked to names in fake passports .
An unnamed arabic newspaper reports. The source is not identified. And Haaretz parrots. Are you a newspaper or a scandal sheet? Are you reporters with brains that investigate or gossip mongers. Go and earn your salary. Shame on you!!
Haaretz has taken the habit of printing out every "report" published by networks that base their conclusions on substantiated findings. The "new evidence" that "incriminates Mossad" is that the agents purchased tickets with credit cards carrying the same names as those in the passports the hit-squad used to enter Dubai. According to this, it seems Mossads fingerprints are everywhere, but not anywhere at all. The article then goes on to say that, " "Dubai police have information confirming that the suspects purchased travel tickets from companies in other countries with credit cards carrying the same names we have publicized (in the passports)," Al Bayan daily on Saturday quoted Dubai police chief Dahi Khalfan Tamim as saying." It did not give further details. Is this really a "report"? Haaretz, get a grip!
with the same names as her passports bearers in Israel. It is because British Intelligence is so honest ,so trustworthy and upright ..
Since when does a credit card have Mossad written on it,according to me they do not know who did this service to humanity.
which makes me doubt that the Mossad did it. Not only that, but I have a suspicion (perhaps unfounded) that whoever did was purposely trying to implicate Israel. Why doesn;t Israel deny the whole matter? That sort of thing just isn't done - by any intelligence service. And if it WAS a frameup - I imagine that in any case Israel would make no comment until it found out exactly who DID do it,
BARUCH HASHEM MESHAL SHOULD BE NEXT
The use of the same names on credit cards as on forged passports implies it was the Mossad? I expect better investigative journalism and certainly when anti semitic papers in the UK claim to know it was the Mossad as additional evidence. The main issue is for Haaretz we as mainstream Jews in Israel could not care less about an assesination of a Hamas terrorist so what is the purpose of Haaretz milking this issue? Perhaps it is because Haaretz is against assesinations? The more important issue of Syria and Iran breaching the NPT has been ignored totally. Jews care about their safety not for terrorists. May this Hamas murderer burn in hell and lets focus on why Syria could get away with an illegal nuclear reactor and why did Elbaradei condone this? A potential future hostile Egyptian president is something to worry about and his actions prove his anti Jewish attitude do not deny this Haaretz.
Could someone please explain the logic of this title to me? How does the fact that the credit cards were in the same names that were used in the passport implicate anyone? There has been no proven connection between Mossad and the passports. There is suspicion and there has been (anonymous) accusations. The credit cards don't implicate anything about anyone.
Interesting title to the article, but nothing in it actually shows any proof of anything. Oh well, regardless of who was responsible, we are all better off without this cold-blooded murderer and weapons smuggler. Kudos to whoever did it!
A 'no named agent tells another 'no named agent and this 'no named agent runs to a newspaper, with a 'no named journalist to tell him ALL about this 'meeting and WE are supposed to 'eat all these facts as the TRUTH.
They purchased their travel tickets using credit cards with matching names? Wow! It doesn't get more incrimnating than that! The Mossad might as well turn these people over because this case has been cracked. Great detective work Dubai police. Next thing you'll tell me is that the passports they used were printed on paper.
I won't gloat but the Dubai hit was amateurish, and Mossad may have created a conundrum that will impact the lives of innocent Britons and Israelis for years to come. Some right-wing Israelis may gloat about taking out a 'terrorist', but he will be replaced...and the cycle of revenge will continue! What is it now...60+ years and counting but no peace in the foreseeable future.
Of course it's entirely logical that the UK hard state at some level would have been complicit; the rest is a smokescreen for public consumption. The world over, these agencies operate outside international or domestic law. The SS (MI5) and Special Branch (UK political police) has been a political organ ever since the beginning. Witness SIS (MI6) recent involvement in torture. What surprises me is that anyone would ever be surprised at any of this.
"New evidence incriminating Mossad in the assassination of a Hamas commander in Dubai includes credit card payments and phone calls made by suspects, an Arabic-language daily reported on Saturday." I guess the one who always blame Israel have never been strong with logic.
...including the commander(s).
The banks are going to want to be paid. Let them figure out who done it. For that matter, the US government has access to all US bank records thanks to the Patriot Act. They can go in even without warrants and see who really opened the credit card accounts and who is paying the bills. Elliott Spitzer only showed up because of credit cards and scrutiny of bank credit card records. Oops! Cheney is out of Power. Obama is in.
So the users of the passports had credit cards with the same name. And exactly how does that provide "proof" that it was the mossad? Looks to me like Dubai's "proof" that it was the mossad is the "fact" that the international media repeats their claims again and again. Hate to tell you, but just because Dubai "claims" it was the mossad and the media prints these claims, doesn't magically transform it into proof, even though the British media also thinks it does. Shows us how corrupt the british media is.
A novel way of not paying for your credit card expenses?