Report: Australia already warned Israel against faking passports
Former Australian FM says in 1990s Israel was warned not to issue fake passports to Mossad agents.
By News Agencies and Haaretz Staff Tags: Israel Mossad Hamas Israel newsAustralian authorities had already warned Israeli intelligence against using doctored passports in its clandestine activities around the world, the newspaper The Australian reported on Thursday.
The Australian report came as Canberra warned Israel earlier Thursday that if it was involved in the alleged use of three forged Australian passports in the assassination of a Hamas leader in Dubai, it would not be considered the act of a friend.
The Canberra government called in Israel's ambassador after three people holding Australian passports were listed on Wednesday among 15 new suspects in the assassination of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh. Dubai authorities are investigating the use of at least 26 possibly fake passports in connection with the killing.
According to sources quoted in the article, Australian authorities approached Israel in the 1990s to seek assurances that Australian passports would not be used in Mossad activities after it was feared Israeli agents had doctored New Zealand passports.
During that meeting, the article claims, the Israelis said they condoned such identity theft, with Australian participants describing their response as "enraged self-righteousness."
The Australian foreign minister at the time, Alexander Downer, confirmed to The Australian that the then Canberra government warned Israel in at least one occasion not to issue fake Australian passports to its intelligence operatives.
"I'm not 100 per cent sure that I didn't myself raise it with the Israelis," Mr Downer told The Australian.
Downer added that the warning was issued in the context of a series of botched operations involving Mossad agents travelling on fake passports. "My recollection is that over time we have raised this issue with the Israelis," he said.
"We have raised the issue of Israeli intelligence officers using foreign passports and that they should not consider using Australian passports."
Dubai police have said they were almost certain that members of Israel's Mossad spy agency killed Mabhouh in his hotel room in January. The emirate Wednesday identified 15 new suspects in the assassination; Haaretz has learned that 10 of them share the names of Israelis who hold dual citizenship.
A list of 11 people suspected in the assassination released last week by Dubai also included the names of six British-born Israelis, whose names appeared on forged British passports thought to have been used by the killers.
Australia's Foreign Minister Stephen Smith said investigations were still under way, but the three Australians were also apparently innocent victims of identity theft.
"I made it crystal clear to the ambassador that if the results of that investigation cause us to come to the conclusion that the abuse of Australian passports was in any way sponsored or condoned by Israeli officials, then Australia would not regard that as an act of a friend," Smith said.
In an interview with Australian radio, Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd also emphasized the severity of the situation. "We will not be silent on this matter. It is a matter of deep concern. It really goes to the integrity and fabric of the use of state documents, which passports are, for other purposes," Rudd told Australian radio.
"Any state that has been complicit in use or abuse of the Australian passport system, let alone for the conduct of an assassination, is treating Australia with contempt and there will therefore be action by the Australian government in response," said Rudd.
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The three using Australian passports have been identified as Daniel Bruce, Nicole Sandra McCabe and Adam Korman. The other new suspects also include Daniel Marc Schnur, Gabriella Barney, Roy Allan Cannon, Stephen Keith Drake, Mark Sklur and Philip Carr, traveling on British passports; Ivy Brinton, Anna Shauna Clasby and Chester Halvey, on Irish passports; and David Bernard LaPierre, Melenie Heard and Eric Rassineux, on French passports.
The suspected killers' use of passports from countries including Britain and France has drawn criticism from the European Union that diplomats said was aimed at Israel. Some of the countries involved have summoned the Israeli ambassadors.
"Friendly nations who have been assisting in this investigation have indicated to the police in Dubai that the passports were issued in an illegal and fraudulent manner," the Dubai government said.
The French AFP news agency quoted French officials on Thursday saying that the suspected killers of Hamas strongman Mahmud al-Mabhuh last month in Dubai used forged French passports, effectively stealing the identity of French citizens.
Foreign Ministry spokesman Bernard Valero told reporters that the documents were "clearly forged," allowing the "impersonation of French citizens."
The three passports referred to were among the fifteen new ones announced Wednesday by Dubai police, who have claimed they were nearly certain that members of Israel's Mossad spy agency killed Mabhouh in his hotel room in January.
"Three passports mentioned in this announcement by the Emirates appear to be clearly forged and there was impersonation of French citizens," Valero told AFP.
Besides the three French passports, Dubai police claimed to have found six British passports, as well as the three French allegedly forged, three Irish and three from Australia.
Also on Thursday, Irish Foreign Minister Michael Martin during a visit to the Gaza Strip said that no Irish citizens were among the assassins of the Hamas commander.
Martin, paying his first ever visit to the blockaded enclave of the Gaza Strip, told a news conference at UNRWA headquarters in Gaza City "the assassins of al-Mabhouh were not Irish."
"They are people who forged passports that belong to Irish citizens," Martin told reporters about the assassins. He said the investigation would "continue in this serious issue until the truth is revealed."
"I don't think that there is one single Irish citizen is involved in the case," said Martin, who crossed into the Gaza Strip earlier on Thursday through Rafah crossing on the borders between the enclave and Egypt.
Israel has not denied or confirmed it played any role but Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman said there was nothing to link it to the killing. The United States, Israel's main ally, has kept silent about the affair.
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Why don't you cease lying in these posts. There is no pending arms sale by any EU member with a fledgling Palestinian state. The "huge Muslim" population of the EU represents 5% of the population. Israel has 20% Muslim population. You must realize that you are destroying whatever credibility you ever had.
Why don't you cease lying in these posts. There is no pending arms sale by any EU member with a fledgling Palestinian state. The "huge Muslim" population of the EU represents 5% of the population. Israel has 20% Muslim population. You must realize that you are destroying whatever credibility you ever had.
Its impossible to imagine what you prophesize about because you don"t appear to know anything about anything: or else you simply lie about everything. Australia does not import oil, or petroleum products, from Iran. Australia imports all petroleum products, including crude oil, from Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, The U.A.E. and Papua New Guinea. Notice?? NOT IRAN!! You should apologize to Cipora for lying to her.
Americans are growing tired of arrogant Jewish charges fabricating US aid to Arab allies: portraying US aid administrators as idiots who have no idea how the aid is being spent. As usual, you Jews who make such comments have no idea what you are talking about. In this case, that makes you a liar. But that's not unusual for your pompous one-line irrelevancies. US gives aid to Jordan and Egypt. In Egypt, aid has been used for water and waste water systems, low interest micro-loans, and agricultural development. Approx 60% for military purposes. In jordan aid focus has been on water resources, economic growth, health care and youth. Approx 40% goes for military purposes. US taxpayers dollars do not go as bribes by the Egyptian Govt to its own border guards. There is no record of hashish originating in Gaza being sold in Europe. That is a lie. The US does not provide aid to Saudi Arabia, you ignoramus.
What,s Interpol doing ,if anything about the Sunni warlord on his way to Krygsztan from Dubai ,but forced to land in Iran ,it,s commonly known as piracy of the skies ,but Interpol hasn,t commented yet i wonder why not?
Sir, don't let Israel's serious case of national paranoia and victimhood cloud your judgement. Not knowing who conducted the murder in Dubai, you should know that any country that violates the laws and the sovereignty of Australia, the UK, France, Ireland and Germany by stealing or forging their passports and using them to violate the sovereignty of Dubai by entering the country illegally and to violate the nation's law by murdering someone, would never be praised for a job well done: regardless of the target.
One wonders why you comment on US aid, whom you are trying to denigrate, since you know so very little about it. It's nonsense that Israeli aid must be recycled in the US, and the US knows where its aid to Arab allies goes. Of the over $3 trillion the US has given Israel since 1949, approx $60% has gone to military purposes. Israel is to buy 75% of aid for weapons in the US, but no one monitors that. Israel may also use the aid to buy military systems from other countries, and to develop its own weapons. US gives aid to Jordan and Egypt. In Egypt, aid has been used for water and waste water systems, low interest micro-loans, and agricultural development. Approx 60% for military purposes. In jordan aid focus has been on water resources, economic growth, health care and youth. Approx 40% goes for military purposes.
You're Gushing over a bust that didn't take place Each and every one of the assassins were unable to leave Dubai unhindered
Suggest u do your homework before making an unfounded comment. In any case, Australia is not denoucing the killing, just the stealing of Australian identities. This perhaps would have been less of an issue had the killers not been sprung by sloppy work. So you only have yourselves to blame.
j.p: "What would the Australian Government (and the Australian people) would say if the mastermind behind the Bali terror attack (where so many Australians died) had been eliminated through the use of a fake Australian passport ?" Answer: The Australian govt would be appalled. It would never have organized such a hit, and it would never, ever condone another foreign power carrying out such a hit IN THEIR NAME.
This is a moot point. I think the whole 'Aliyah' procedure needs to change. This is the root. How many FSU citizens were handed Israeli passports and quickly left for 'greener' pastures in Canada and the U.S? Thousands! Israel was just a stepping stone. Yes, perhaps Jews do need to make a choice and give up their citizenship when they become Israeli citizens. I know it stems from 'Jewish neurosis', the need to have a 'backdoor' or an escape plan G-d forbid another Shoa I feel it myself as a Jew and hence a second passport does give one a sense of security 'just in case'... Perhaps when people are going through the Aliyah process, they should now be legally required to keep a watchful eye on their passports from the moment they leave their hands to be processed. This makes sense doesn't it? In this way, you will be able to see exactly what is happening with your passport. just a thought.
Yes,unfortunately this is a very real future scenario. This may well be the end of Israel's visa-waiver agreements, particularly throughout Europe.Israeli citizens may well need visas to travel anywhere in the future, including rigid background checks and interviews etc. A sad day indeed, particularly for Israelis who do not have dual citizenship or EU passports...
1,5 billion dollars annually to Egypt to,prop up a dictator a Muslim one at that,to waste American taxpayers dollars on bribes to illiterate Egyptian border officials who permit smuggling into and out of Hamastan ,to send Hamas drug mules into Europe to sell their Swat hashish ,not forgetting Jordan,Saudi Arabia who also have dictators in power ,thriving on good old Yankee dollars,how wonderful.
In other words Chris Linthwaite keep your head in the sand ,where it belongs.
Hey Maoriboy ,no oil yet on your isolated island ,what a shame ?
And how would they know as it doesn,t say in bright red ink in his passport ,Hasan ,the Hamas ,weapons courier ,stupid logic?
Only if you and your propagandists promise likewise ,a deal ?
It,s the lure of freedom ,of wide open spaces of fresh air ,of big bucks a new start in life that draws the Muslim traitors to throwing off the shackles of corruption ,violence and everything associated with this backwards 6th century ideology .
Would a farcical intimidatory elections Ahmadinejad,Karzai,or Hamas style be considered legitimate ,maybe in dysfunctional Muslim states ,nowhere else?
Which TV station are you currently watching Chris ,Al-Manara as that has no credibility in the western world,try again ?
They,re called tunnels stupid and they,re all over Gaza ,latest count 1100 and still digging them in Hamastan ,while illiterate Egyptian bordre guards gleefully accept their bribes stamp the passport and away Ahmed and Abdul go ,rather easy ?
So it must be the IRA then ,only dumb Paddy,s could do such dumb work?
The occupational hazard of journalists the world over. Well, that and alcoholism. Has it never occurred to anyone that each of "the 26" might have entered Dubai in disguise and that the photos in their phoney passports are photos of them in disguise? Law enforcement agencies the world over are investigating. Let them do their job. When we know what evidence and findings they come up with, we can all comment on what should be done next - based on actualities rather than hypotheticals. Meantime there are far too many unanswered questions to sustain any real conclusions - let alone the dogmatic conclusions proffered by all the premature prognosticators.
Excellent stuff this,Daniel now we wait for Jonnyboy and his fellow propagandists to clear it up ,but don,t bet on it ?
With the 4th largest oil and natural gas reserves in the world Iran suddenly needs nuclear toys ,go tell that to good old Santa Claus,he might believe you Dove?
Whether it is the UK's Serious and Organised Crime Agency or Australia's AFP and ASIO, the governments they serve will need something more than "It was probably Mossad" or "They probably copied original passports at B-G airport" before taking diplomatic or other action against Israel. For that, they will need specific E*V*I*D*E*N*C*E that will establish a forensic connection between the fabricated passports and the Israeli government or its agencies. Endless speculation in the media or blogosphere is not evidence. And if you think that this story will be an election issue in the 2010 Federal election in Australia, you know even less about Australian politics than about the rules of evidence. Not everyone shares your prejudices, not even in the UK, and certainly not in Australia.
They are called mules or drug couriers ,but in this case they were after the Haniyeh,Mashal tunnel rental empire profits that were on their way to meeting with the Iranian weapons seller in Dubai ,until the dumb Palestine mules/couriers couldn,t wait any longer for their orders from Dahlan, Abbas ,Erekat,Shaath,Ashrawi etc and botched a highly promising money laudering exercise ,salaam.
But the assassination was carried out on the other side of the world from Australia ,with no proof of who did it,wonderful logic Jonnyboy?
A Suni warlord captured by Iranian Shiites in international air space ,who will get a fair trial by Ahmadinejad,s thugs ,Chris Linthwaite sure has a vivid imagination ?
Onlt five out of twenty five ,and counting pictures that do not match the names ,so it can only be the Palestine/Jordan connection as Palestinians are difficult to identify,even the mighty CIA couldn,t catch a Jordanian/Palestinian double agent in their ranks ,and we know what transpired there?
It,s the oil Cipora ,so where does Australia import her oil from,one guess ,Iran?
Any day a nightclub bouncer than a fascist Islamic cold blooded killer ?
All Palestinians look alike ,what,s your point ?
There cannot be a response to something that Isreal has no knowledge of,sorry ?
Actually they were Palestinians with two of them already held in detention ,or maybe you were,nt pa ying attention?
My pick is the pending huge arms sales to Palestine by hypocrites like yourself that will really set the ME on fire ,so what better excuse to keep this quiet and do the deal behind a furore caused by leftwing nutcases ?
Swiss (Dino)you,d better watch out for those new minarets going up as there,s a ban on them in your country ,you protest too much about bs.
But the Dubai police spokesperson said there,s no definitive interpretation and inconsistent information ,so who,s fooling who?
So Jonnyboy has the proof ,who forged these passports ,clever Jonnyboy ,you can,t answer as you don,t have the proof ,yes?
Isreal ,unlike Muslim states is a free open democratic society ,where it,s citizens can come and go at will ,on any passport he or she desires ,are you still confused ?
In other words those identities etc. were knowingly passed on to Mossad by their holders without thinking of the consequences ,what are you smoking ,Stephen in London?
With so called friends like yourself ,no thanks ?
You sound delusional Mark as there is simply no proof whatsoever of Isreali involvement in Dubai no matter how much you would love it to be true .
Nice try there BBS ,but as usual you,ve been caught out again ,it,s all about pending huge arms sales to the fledgling Palestine state ,by hypocritical socially bankrupt mostly European states that allowed their huge Muslim populations to suck the generous social benefits dry so there,s a need to recover the bankrupt social services rather quickly before the locals cry wolf.
Because there,s no proof yet Kalil,of Isreal,s hand inn this ,only conjecture.
So are they or aren,t they ,please answer your damning question ,Maureen Ann?
The stupid Dubai police force is cluthing at stra ws ,meaning a massive coverup of Arab incompetence but the truth will eventually appear,we wait in anticipation .
Step 1: He should immediately announce the revocation of all Australian passports issued to Aussies who made aliyah to Israel. He can do that without needing any "proof" of "Israel's guilt" i.e. it is enough for him to know that allowing Oz-born olim to retain their passports leaves a gaping security hole that SOMEONE is abusing. That hole therefore must be plugged, and pronto, and the quickest way to do it is to revoke those passports. Step 2: If Australia **does** find evidence that proves Israel is responsible for forging Aussie passports then he needs to sever diplomatic relations with Israel. After all, the Aussie govt warned Israel not to do this.....
purchased in the USA and the money recycled in the US economy. Now what happens to the money handed over to the Arabs?
Dear Dr. L. Brnd, I must commend you for your flexibility with logic. With a cognitive sleight of hand, you manage to equate Israel?s abuse of EU sovereignty with the deaths of 26 Afghans by a US sergeant operating a drone, and then shift the blame to the EU. A magnificent performance! By the way, where did you get your PhD? Regards
Who is paying for the Mossad operations? Is American taxpayer money used to finance the agency?
Should all countries now require Israelis to obtain visas before traveling to the perspective country? May be this will put some control on who is exactly traveling to the country from Israel!
my australian passport has always been held in the highest regard. we travel anywhere in the world without any problems. I dont care for what purpose they used aussie passports but I want the pm to take a serious action because we want to travel with no headache. israelis can use whatever passport they want but not ours.
What are the Americans doing about the use of US issued credit cards in the operation. Doesn't that at least warrant an invistigation? Where is the FBI in all of this?
What would the Australian Government (and the Australian people) would say if the mastermind behind the Bali terror attack (where so many Australians died) had been eliminated through the use of a fake Australian passport ?
good job mossad
The only mistake is not that they were caught. The mistake is that they are Jewish. If they had been any other nationalty, they would have been praised for a job well done.
I am appalled at the level of dis-contempt Israel has shown to the world with regard to the use of fake passports. It is true that the cloning of passports from a nations citizens is an unfriendly act and as such the enemies of Israel has grown as a result of this action. Living in London I am now afraid to say that I am a Jew. It is now longer only Arabs who hate Israelis, but just about every other country!
What do you mean? Current thinking is that the passports were photocopied at Ben Gurion Airport by immigration.
But they did not get caught!!! Everyone here is only assuming it is Israel! The mission was a total success......
This mission is a success! The "intended mass murderer" is DEAD as a doornail. For all those Israel bashers.....GET OVER IT!!!
...it was an Arab hit and they set it up so that Israel took the fall. I think the Israelis would have stolen Arab passports and used them - hell, why not Iranian passports?-now that would send a shiver throughout the Arab world.
If Iran were to perform a similar operation to get their enemies by using fake European passports all hell would break lose - UN sanctions and resolutions would pass which would lead to an invasion. Yet Israel, the nation with illegal nukes, massacres civilians and has started multiple wars will escape again with a slap on the wrist!
Countries closed borders to Jews trying to es ape from Hitlers killing fields. One excuse used they did not have passports. Yes I would question the loyality of radical Islam.
How many Mossad agents does it take to kill one man?............. This is beginning to sound like the light bulb joke.
I agree. Isarel should not dignafie Australia by using their passports. I know wouldn't.
EU identity stolen by dhimmitude .
All countries do this kind of stuff. Why is everyone so pissed at Israel? They only thing they did wrong was get caught.
That isn't even a question; no one would fess up and admit they were wrong because lies and deceit is what built that nation. God's "Chosen People"; what a farce.
One would think that after it becomes clear that a ridiculously high price was paid by Mossad (in the number of agents neutralized) for the assassination of a rather insignificant Hamas operative, Israeli papers and prominent politicians will start criticizing the Institute and Netanyahu. But you hardly hear a sound. Livni, the head of the opposition, and even the former Chief of staff Halutz yesterday praised the "kill"; supposedly it will deter others from joining Hamas. Really? When did this last happen? Wasn't Mabhouh himself almost killed by Mossad before but continued to operate? I believe Israelis will finally open their eyes to the truth of the level of stupidity involved here, they will just do it late. The same happened in the recent Lebanon and Gaza. For the first few weeks it wasn't possible to criticize the operations to Israelis. Even Meretz was supportive. Only when the consequences of lack of good planning and goals became evident, did people begin thinking. Paranoia.
Cipora Julianna Kohn:"sorry to interrupt, but Iranian warplanes iranian warplanes forced an aircraft flying from dubai to khyrgistan to land in iran." Good try cipora no ones bothered about the capture by Iran of a terrorist wanted by them,unless he was working and payed for by Israel.Lets stick to trashing Israel.
This may not have been the work of the Mossada directly (Although I am sure they wouldnt mind taking credit for it). Nope, it looks more like the work of a group of contractors based in the EU (Argentina would be an interesting guess as well but only as a backup) that used to be known by the nickname "The Hit Parade". What is unusual is the numbers used. Could it be they were looking for more than one target? I pose this question because if memory serves me correct theynormally operate in groups of 5-7.
Dubai is crooked place like Switzerland so many people have assumed idenities including royalty from Saudi Arabia for many reasons not to kill some petty Hamas terror operative.And btw Mossad dosesn't do sloppy work like; this so it is probably an Arab hit.
PETER SM:"Israeli govt keeps repeating they support a Palestinian state." Peter has the Likud charter which does not recognize the right of Palestine to exist changed? Amazing how the Anti Palestinian mob keep ignoring reality.
We are not talking about France making illegal use of stolen passports to carry out assasinations and murder. The evidence is poining toward Israel which has been caught previously doing this. Not France. If proof is found then these countries should recall their ambassadors from a state that deals with their governments through lies, deception and fraud. They are no ones friend but their own.
Gosh we have all these people outraged at Israel while no proof exists of their involvement. What a big surprise. Some have even decided to bring the Holocaust into it. What laughable silliness. Hey Guys and Gals who are the only suspects in custody? Palestinians of course yet all this feigning of moral indignation. Yes the use of false passports is so so rare, isn't it? Only Israel would do that, right! You know back in the 1970's you could go to Costa Rica and get a fake passport and papers for under $5K. Time will tell...maybe...who did this, but for now we know it was Palestinians that were, without question, involved. Just the facts Jack. At the end of the day the guy killed is no great loss to humanity. In fact the world is a better place without him, it will saves lives, at least in the short term and that's a good thing.
... to the Israel bashers is forged passports, why don't they give due credit for the work the team did against forged passports? The terrorist had five forged passports with him.
So you believe that Jews do not have the same rights as other ethnic groups to their own national rights? How open minded of you. By the way, is the fact that Saudi Arabia, Syria and other Arab states are basically for Arabs only mean that they are apartheid states? Oh, and Israel did not disposses millions. That is a lie. Read up on the history of the region. More Jews from Arab lands were "dispossed" than Arabs, anyway.
Hassan is the name on the forged passport. A lot of different countries, including the EU, would certainly be interested in stopping a weapons dealer for Hamas.
something to do with the Kurds. He's been taken into custody.
Two of the alleged passport pictures clearly show the crest of Ireland, i.e. the Harp (my mother and many family/friends are Irish citizens, so I have seen a genuine one many times); therefore, they are NOT Australian as the AP caption indicates. I didn't read the other comments so maybe it was covered already, etc. The AP should really do better fact checking!!
Two of the alleged passport pictures clearly show the crest of Ireland, i.e. the Harp (my mother and many family/friends are Irish citizens, so I have seen a genuine one many times); therefore, they are NOT Australian as the AP caption indicates. I didn't read the other comments so maybe it was covered already, etc. The AP should really do better fact checking!!
There seems to be overwhelming proof worldwide that Mossad committed the murder at Dubai and that forged passports of other nations had been used. If that will be proven without any doubt, how many of those talkbackers at Haaretz furiously attacking people who dare to ask questions about Mossad and that murder would acknowledge their mistake and apologize???
So In Israel you can't generally tell an Israeli Jew from a Palestinian? Wow! What a culturally integrated society you have! I am soooo Jealous...
Do not see the Australian response as anything more than offence taken at the use of Identity theft of Australian Passport Holders. The Australian response is not anti-semetic or holocaust denial, it is offence taken at the fraudulent use of our passports for acts of terrorism/murder. I wish the Israeli State would co-operate with these investigations as it would show good faith towards a friendly nation and reinforce our otherwise good bilateral relationship. That said, Australians believe in the rule of law and burden of proof. As we say, proof is in the pudding, and in time the truth will hopefully emerge. As an Australian, the potential duplication of an Australian Citizens passport to commit such an act is deeply offensive and if a foreign country is implicated, it would seriously affect how that nation is perceived here. As an Israeli citizen, walk a mile in our shoes. How would you feel if your passports were forged and used for assassination of foreigners.
#28 To regard any action of Israel and "powerful Jews behind closed doors", as actions taken without regard to anything but the fact that the Jews have suffered is shameful. What worries me is that in an effort to alleviate guilt, guilt which will never be undone, for which there is no apology that will suffice, Europeans will turn the card around and accuse Israel of what the world knows of Europeans. Jews who suffered pogroms and inquisitions had no friend to turn to while the Nazis and the countries that fell to them didn't blink an eye while murdering 6 million Jews, and the oh so neutral Swiss grew fat on the Nazi treasures ripped from the dead hands of generations of families. Maybe Mossad was behind this, maybe not, the fact that anyone would mention the Holocaust as reason of Israel's actions due to the inability of any nation to criticize completely ignores reality.
To be an anti zionist doesn?t mean one thinks Israel shouldn?t exist or that Jews shouldn?t exist. Israel must stop favoring Jews over non-Jews, must stop practicing apartheid and stop occupying and stealing its neighbors` land. It also means we don?t believe in a real estate agent God who believes it?s OK to dispossess millions of people and turn their homes and land over to another group based on some biblical mumbo jumbo.
Israeli citizens with duel nationality are allowed more than 1 passport. I was born in the UK and moved to Israel 10 years ago and although legally as an Israeli citizen I have to leave and enter the country on an Israeli passport I am still allowed to use my British passport which I keep up to date Its very useful at things like passport control instead of cuing up with all the tourists to get your 3 month visa which I would be allowed to overstay anyway go into the cue for citizens which is usually shorter and just go straight through. Ivar What exactly does the Saudi plan or Israel retreating to the green line have to do with forged passports? 1) Israel will not adopt the saudi plan it was rejected 2) Israel will not retreat to the green line only a negotiated border 3) Mossad will continue forged passports from Australia and any other country it feels will be best for its planned operation .. including using Estonian passports if it wants them 4) There will be no sanctions
What was the real value of Mabhouh that was worth risking the lives of so many Israeli agents (so far 11 targeted by Interpol with 15 more to come, all known by picture, and recognized by neighbors)? As far as is known, Mabhouh was involved in the abduction and murder of 2 Israeli soldiers in 1989 (for which his home in Gaza was blown up at the time), and in recent years was managing arms purchases for Hamas in Iran and perhaps elsewhere. If such a man is assassinated is he "irreplaceable"? Sounds nonsensical. Iran is a more than willing seller, perhaps a free giver. With Mabhouh gone, his position can be filled overnight. Mossad must have seen the job as a "challenge" to itself, to risk such a ridiculously high number af agents for prestige. Unfortunately, Prime Minister Netanyahu has a hard time considering the effects of his actions, and approved the job. (He is the minister in charge of Mossad.) Somebody in the government should start comparing potential gain/cost ratio!!!
non-jews, especially Palestinians ("Arabs") with Israeli citizenship mustn't have two passports). -------- Yet,israeli leaders call it the most moral and democratic state. Facts proves the opposite!
She could reveal a great deal about these Mossad attempts. She demanded an apology which Israel refused to give until she made it into an international incident and then they relented. But she has alot more to tell and now is the time to do it. This is something she knows first hand not to be the action of a "friendly nation". Israel is not interested in being a "frendly" nation. It expects other nations to do its bidding and accept what it tells them or there will be a price to pay. Whenever the waters get murky and things come out that exposes Israel's actions, they trot out Peres to do a schpiel. Contmept and arrogance-the basis of Israel's foreign policy.
"This is the largest bust of a spy ring I can recall" Where is the bust? I have not heard yet of a single man (aside for the two pals) being arrested.
You people in Israel better start listening to what Bradley Burston is telling you. This stuff is dangerous. I mean it. Yosemite.
All intelligence networks, regardless of nationality, do these things.
will recognize one of these murderers. It is only a matter of time. One has to wonder why Israel has refused to assist in the investigation. Could it be that they are complicit? The people whose identities were stolen need to be interviewed. perhaps they loaned their passports to Mossad. In any case murder is murder. Doesn't make any difference if it's an Arab killing a Jew or a Jew killing an Arab, it is still murder and in all cases those guilty should be arrested go to trial and if convicted go to jail.
If in fact Mossad was involved in the alleged use of three forged Australian passports in the assassination of a Hamas leader in Dubai, Australia would be obliged to withdraw their ambassador from Israel and expel the Israeli embassy from Australia. It seems to me that the intent of the Zionist government of Israel is to piss of those who have in the past supported their right to exist. Be advised should the above be true for what ever reason you have lost an other supporter in your effort promote your hegemony in the region.
Australia and New Zealand got stung then by these Mossad agents trying to sneak fraudulent passports out of their countries to be used for covert purposes. Contempt is the right word alright.
assumption is not an act of friendship either. who can prove it was Mossad???just because the Dubai police chief sucked something out of his nargilah and said he was 99% sure with no concrete evidence???Guess what it was such a sloppy job that even a diehard Munich fan can see it wasnt Mossads doing. Did it occur too you that Hamas has rivals in Fatah(I also would be pissed off if someone chucked my relatives off highrise buildings,Al Qaeda related groups aswell as an internal power struggle, or perhaps Khaled Meshaal or Ismail Haniyeh didnt like the fact of him going off too China without their knowledge or permission which could be a possibility. Or even he was a double agent going to meet enemy agents in China and his own crowd whacked him for that???
They are clearly two Irish passports in the picture - the picture of the harp gives it away. If you are going to rip off other countries passports, at least get the country right.
It's only natural that jews have more than just one nationality. We've been wandering around througout Europe up until 1948 when the only jewish state was established. Now you suggest the people who were born abroad who emigrated to Israel (many b/c of antisemitism) should give up their original nationality? I think you should wake up and realize that the world doesn't have borders anymore. Everything is globalized and we're all interconnected.
What was the real value of Mabhouh that was worth risking the lives of so many Israeli agents (so far 11 as Interpol targets, plus 15 more to come, all with faces recogmizable worldwide). As far as is known, Mabhouh was involved in the abduction and murder of 2 Israeli soldiers in 1989 (for which his home in Gaza was blown up at the time), and in recent years was involved in arms purchases for Hamas in Iran and perhaps elsewhere. If such a man is assassinated is he "irreplaceable"? Sounds nonsensical. Iran is a more than willing seller, perhaps even a free giver. With Mabhouh gone, his position can be filled overnight. Mossad must have seen the job as a "challenge", to risk such a ridiculously high number of agents for prestige. Unfortunately, Prime Minister Netanyahu has a hard time considering the effects of his actions, and approved the job. (He is the minister directly in charge of Mossad.) Somebody in the government should start comparing potential gain/cost ratio.
I agree with the poster who calls for an end to Israeli abuse of dual nationality. The use of fraudulent passports has put every national from the countries involved travelling to the Middle East at risk. In an age of increasing terrorism and global criminal gangs, it's time to end the abuse of dual nationality. If Jewish Diaspora want to be Israeli, fine, but do what was demanded of your Ambassador to the US, Michael Oren - give up nationality of the country you are leaving. I know from American colleagues, many US citizens wish their own government would make the same demands as the Israelis on Oren, because they say they are blighted with dual passport holders in their administration and institutions. Times have changed, there is a Jewish State now and it's time for Israelis and Jewish communities every where to accept they should respect other nations rights. The system has been too long abused, time to stop the abuse of making "aliya" and taking on dual nationality.
Australia knows full well that in future Mossad will use forged Australian passports to carry our illegal operations if it suits their purpose. Australia would use forged Israeli passports if it suited the operation they wanted to carry out. Mossad keep up the good work, do whatever you feel is best for dealing with Israels enemies doesn't matter if its spying, killing terrorists, stealing identities just do what you need to do to keep Israel safe and you will be doing a good job and earning the money you get paid and we will all be proud of you.
"What about citizens of other nations using fake passports?" To commit assassinations on foreign soil? WOW!!! "The majority of illegal immigrants and holders of fake passports entering western countries are citizens of islamic countries." Stats please... " When did they get a warning???" All the time dear fellow, constantly. In Australia they get locked up, deported. "Oz has double standards!" In what way?
The well documented case of the two Israeli Mossad agents who were in those countries to procure fraudulently, passports for their operations, Elisha Ben Kara and Uriel Kelman. Wonder why no one has made the connexion?
Accusing a "friend" with out all the story, IS NOT BEING A FRIEND. Maybe before Australia blames the Israel line, maybe they should think. We know that no one can call in Hamas for answers.
al-Mabhouh was an arms dealer. He dealt with people who kill/murder other people. It is a very dangerous business, and it is likely that he had many enemies within both state and terror organizations. To make any assumption about the assassins without some tangible proof is foolish. The killers were smart enough to confuse the issue with multiple passports and to change the focus of the investigator from murder to passport and identity theft. Maybe one of his businees partners killed him over money?
Stop whining and point the finger to the jews, England's corral should stop mimicking his masters and get some personality.
Are you aware woman, for want of a better word, that there is a mole operating in the ranks of your Hamas "cobbers" and that it's rumoured to be none other than your recently released hero, the Naharia killer of young children Kuntar. Why do you think ISRAEL released him?
This is indeed a funny world! On one hand, you have people who are never satisifed or content with the large amount of evidence regarding recent events in the ME. They're always happy to say "true, but that doesn't prove ..." Yet those same people CRIMINALIZE other people who dare to question their facts or demand more evidence regarding historical events! Keep in mind that "evidence" regarding historical events is hard to come by whereas evidence of recent events is unquestionable because it is often obtained using the most sophisticated of technologies. Go figure!
Israel is as bad as it's so called enemies. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
Israel's motive is to be "more than friends...". Australia should offer to buy Israel "drinks". Put some gbh in her cocktail and nail her while she's unconscious. Then change the name of Israel to "Palestine", put a wig on, and pretend nobody notices.
So if the SOCA report in the UK uncovers evidence that the passports were copied at ben Gurion Airport by Israeli immigration Office and this is the most likely way the passports were cloned. Which is being reported in the UK Rudd won't do anything because the prophet in Sydney says so. I can guarantee you if one country punishes Israel the others will follow suite, because been seen to politically support Israel is a vote loser and not a vote winner.
Would it be legitimate if Hamas, a democratically elected government (e.g elected by the people of Palestine) was to now assasinate an IDF soldier or army representative, or GOD forbid an israeli politician who was buying weapons in America?
What does a map on the wall have to do with Israel killing somtone?
What about citizens of other nations using fake passports? The majority of illegal immigrants and holders of fake passports entering western countries are citizens of islamic countries. When did they get a warning??? Oz has double standards!
If you were to research your history, the IRA gave Isreal a helping hand in setting their state post War, makes you think!!!
Amazing! Mark Lincoln of Texas comparing Australia's dislike of having it's passports forged and used in the commitment of assassinations as the equivalent of Holocaust Denial. Leave it to a Texan to make such a far fetched connection. Of course there was a Holocaust under the Nazi's. But does this give the Zionists the right to a) commit a holocaust of their own against Palestinians? and b) the right to break the laws of other countries by such as forging passports? This is not the first time, nor will it be the last. Israel is a rogue state with the backing of it's pet dogs in the USA. It is time to make Israel abide by the same international law that the rest of the world is expected to abide by.
You say "the idea that 26 people were involved in this so-called assassination is quite implausible". Do you have any knowledge to base that on or is just a subjective guess? When monitoring suspects/targets, the number of 'watchers' needed is quite considerable. It would be upwards of half a dozen plus a control van if on street, because the suspect might go any one of a number of ways, meet a contact etc. Then you need three shifts, as people don't work 24 hours. There'd likely be 'plumbers' or whatever they're called these days to put in bugs and things, and controllers and the logistics guys. There's nothing particularly odd about the numbers. MI6 has been reported as having far larger squads involved in the surveillance and arrest of terrorist suspects.
...unless hard evidence emerges that the Israeli government ordered, or was complicit in, the forging of the Australian passports. Absent such evidence, all the sentences which begin "It must have been Israel because..." don't mean jack sh**t. Australia is entitled to ask Israel what information Israel has about the fact that the people whose identities were stolen live in Israel. The question has been asked and answered. But, hey, it's fun to speculate, so I'll indulge. I don't believe for an instant that the individuals caught on the CCTV video in Dubai were unaware they were being filmed. If they were Mossad, other Arab governments and organisations were complicit eg Egypt, Fatah and dissident elements in Hamas.
The idea of anyone with a name totally bereft of vowels referring to the American War of Independence as "our" war is ludicrous. It would be possible with a Welsh name but I don't think Brnd is one. You write of getting down and dirty. In Gaza last year your F16 crews were far removed from the dirt while they levelled the infrastructure and killed terrorist and civilian, adult, infant and child. Your aircrew were totally invulnerable as they carried out their work as were your tanks as they fired off their white phosphorous shells. Remind us when did Kassam rockets kill Sderot villagers.
that the only strategic partnership that is important is between Israel and the United States. It appears Israel's political 'elite' is preparing the Israeli people for bad news on the diplomatic front. Obviously the decision has been made not to co-operate in the investigations about the forging of the passports of dual Israeli/EU and Australian nationals. Obviously Israel is hoping that the United states directly intervenes before Israel is overly affected by any real punishment. The new equation, minimising the punishment Israel will recieve.
Peter, if you were in this part of the world you can also look at maps that are hung in every governmental office and you'll see that it includes the WB, Gaza, and the Golan Heights. Does this say anything to you? Take a look at http://maps.walla.co.il/ - a site for getting mapped routes to specific destinations.
How were two Palestinians from Gaza able to travel to Dubai without Israel's permission? Palestinians can't even draw a bucket of drinking water from a well without Israel's permission. If Mossad didn't do it, Israeli authorities would be screaming blue murder because their own citizens human rights had been violated - personal ID theft has implicated innocent Israeli citizens (and others) in a crime. Their lives will never be the same. It's all a very timely wake-up call for the leaders of Western nations dangling on the string held by political Zionists - political Zionists who hide behind innocent civilians! Political Zionists are "delegitimizing" the good in Israel. Kind regards.
There is no mention of the Irish passports used, despite two of them being shown on the lead photo. How they got away with the red haired lady is beyond me. It looks like a glamor shot. You aren't even allowed smile for your Irish passport photo, or it is rejected when at application stage.
Australia is reacting to an act of terrorism against their country. Israel has become a rouge regime ignoring international laws and U.N. resolutions. When Israel is forced comply to laws and the U.N. will peace come to the Middle East. Instead Israel uses threats of violence and acts of violence to coerce their victims for military and political purposes. Israel is not above the law no matter how many times the Holocaust is used to draw attention away from their crimes. The people who suffered through the Holocaust are not being honored but used for propaganda and world pity.
""Irrelevent; Rudd wants to know who is forging aussie passports"" What would be relevant is for the Dubai authorities to disclose what passport did the Hamas terrorist commander use to enter that country.They said he registered at the reception of the hotel under a fake name,presumably on a fake passport.Who issued that passport?Jordan,Egypt,Australia,UK?Or the Islamist Republic of Hamastan [not yet recognized as a country with the right to issue passports] WHY IS A COUNTRY FRIENDLY TO WESTERN INTERESTS LIKE DUBAI ALLOWING TERRORIST LEADERS TO ENTER ITS TERRITORY?What other terrorists enter its territory?Osama Bin Laden? Ayman Al Zawahari?If they were there would Australia and UK object and make such a fuss if western hit squads would liquidate them? So many questions and so few answers
A good read indeed Nathan, as all the israeli apologists know. The question is how do we get our bewildered Goyim brethren to educate themselves as to their danger??
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read the reports in al arabiya. it is not indicated which airline was forced down. it is clearly stated that iranian warplanes forced down an aircraft flying from dubai to kyrghistan. a passanger was taken off the plane.
You really are quite ignorant.Australia understands the danger Iran's regime (not people)pose. But before Israel can claim the high ground it needs to.. 1. Admit it has its own nuclear arsenal 2.Destroy it. 3.Understand that Iran is only persuing one because Israel already has one!! 4.Do you really think Iran would launch a nuclear strike which would cause a retalitory nuclear strike. Cipora if you answered yes to point no.4 then you should read point no.3 again and attempt to understand it.
Right now you can be 100% sure that all European secret services are working hard to identify the people on the pictures. Considering how clear some pictures are, and how many people are involved, it is obvious that at least a few of these agents will be identified under their real name. As for saying these people were partly israelis, partly non-Israelis "gentiles", it's ridiculours. Mossad uses Israelis but also Jews from the diaspora, who have better cover.
I really wonder whether Haaretz would publish this. My Advise is for readers to read "By way of Deception" by ex-mosad agent Victor Ostrovsky to get an indication of how they function. Aussie Passports have a micro chip in them and are considered the most tamper proof available. The mosad has a specialist unit that can produce any passport it wants with absolutely no respect any country. Israel can deny it as much as it wants...
A more pertinent question is how did two residents of Gaza who fled when Hamas took over. End up in Dubai without the full assent and agreement of the Israeli authorities? Palestinians living in Occupied Palestine are not allowed to travel abroad without Israeli consent and agreement.
CJK: "iranian warplanes forced an aircraft flying from dubai to khyrgistan to land in iran." CJK: "does australia and the other western powers care one iota about this matter? " Does QANTAS even fly to Khyrgistan???? Look, Cipora, if Iran forced a QANTAS plane to land then Rudd would scream. If Iranian agents were suspected of committing murder while travelling with forged Australian passports then Rudd would hit the roof. But Iran has not done either of thoses things, and so Rudd is not particularly interested.
It was flying in Iranian airspace. A plus point for Iran the individual in the aircraft now has the chance of a trial unlike the unfortunate individual in Dubai who was tried convicted and assassinated without a chance to mount a defence. Which one is acting closer to western democratic values I wonder?
Only five of them are "real" citizens of Israel, the pictures do not match the names, therefore it is illogical to assume it was Mossad. 5 names IS NOT ENOUGH proof to prove the rest twenty were also Israeli citizens OR that Israel was behind the job. They can only claim that Mossad hired citizens from many countries (Gentiles to do the job). Fact: they cant prove by any means it was Mossad. For two reasons, 1; They do not really know how Mossad would operate in those nations (phone calls, hiring, offices, double agents, men inside goverments, police ...). 2; They do not have any real suspects, all identities used are fake. And i would not trust Dubai on this issue (over 20 suspects should tell something), UAE is not neutral towards Israel like Brazil, Japan etc. are.
iranian warplanes forced an aircraft flying from dubai to khyrgistan to land in iran. does australia and the other western powers care one iota about this matter? will there be any outrage expressed by the mighty western powers? or will everyone keep mum because iran must not be upset.
Dear Anonyme, but it is your problem, not us, that you are nonvelcomed in many countries. Many, many countries have horrible experiences with you - Israeli attacks, Israeli arrogancy, Israeli apartheid. So, what do you want? What do you expect? As far as will you behave yourself well, you can request, you will be welcomed...
In the Uniteed Kingdom Israel is being expected to cooperste fully with the criminal investigation currently underway into the use of the forged British Passports. To suddenly declare there is no proof when Danny Dalon said the Israeli dual passport holders should be proud their names were used. Avigdor (the nightclub bouncer) Lieberman has refused to deny Israeli involvement. Livni announced it was a good thing whilst putting a smokescreen up when the passports were first found by saying she was going to London. And no statement from Netanyahu. I'll take a guess and whatever punishment is decded doesn't need to have the same evidence as a court of law reasonable suspicion will suffice. And if one country goes for it all will do. Nice try though.
1/ Targeted murder is not a way to fight against terrorism. 2/ The use of fake passports of third countries not involved in that conflict is utmost unfriendly.
Land swaps.That has been on the table before and refused including the refusal of the Clinton plan by the Pals.Netanyahu has reiterated his support for a Palestinian state in public. Now what does your website say about what the elected govt of Palestine is prepared to recognise and live with in peace ?What does it say about the racist antisemitic lies put out by the e lected govt of Palestine to poison thei minds of their future generations? Do you want access from WB to Gaza via Israel? Pay for it.
It's strange when their photos have been published all over the world that none have been identified as who they really are. Maybe people in Israel have recognized them but are keeping it quiet.
We didnt have any problem to travel all around the world so far please take off dirty hands from our passports
The Irish passport numbers and expiry dates were valid but the names were wrong. The Irish people with the valid passports had not traveled to Israel, rather to Europe and the US. How did whoever forged these passports get the details? Passport numbers you can probably guess but valid expiry dates? I hope the Irish authorities are thoroughly investigating this breach of security and that they will get to the bottom of it eventually.
Peter, and Israel recognized Palestine? WHEN????? You speak about "Palestine" as state - sovereign, with recognized borders, viable and compact. WHERE is such Palestine????? Thanks for your answers...
If the photos are of Mossad agents, Haaretz and the other news outlets are sure helping disseminate their photos. This is better than a "Wanted" poster from the FBI. And by publishing passport details of real people whose identities were stolen, the news people seem to have no problem perpetuating identity theft further.
Listening to Kevin Rudd there seems little doubt in his mind that Israel is implicated,and the Israeli ambassador has been summoned to the foreign ministry and he has indicated that he views the stealing of Australian indenties as deeply worrying. He has plenty of company in his beliefs; The British, the Irish, the Germans, the French, the European Union etc.The pressure is mounting on Israel for a response.
intelligence agencies spy, conduct counter intelligence, and on occasion carry out assassinations. they do not do politics.
"Israel has no friend in australia under the leftist rudd." PM Rudd has been a staunch friend of Israel as have all Australian PM's with the exception of Whitlam while he was in office. Ignorent insults will only serve to isolate Israel further. You are acting totally against Israel's interests by attacking an ally!
Eh don't use Australian passports, hell you want us as Aussi citizens to face problems with the world? We live in peace here, so get off from our backs, we don't want headaches when we travel. Hope you post my comment, Thanks
Many Israeli's have double citizenship (including myself) not because I am ashamed to be born in Israel, In fact it is my pride. It is because freedom of movement. Not many countries in the world you can enter with Israeli passport. Israelis cannot enter Dubai. If is the Mossad then fake passport where needed.
Cipora there is strong prima facie evidence that implicates Israel. False passports of 10 ISRAELI citizens with dual nationality for example.Couple that with the fact that Israel has acted like this before,abusing other country's passports and carryng out foreign assassinations. Israel also continues to refuse to deny the attack; indeed many politicians, like Livni a former Mossad operative as well as the Israeli military endorse it. And of course Israel had a strong motive to want this man dead. All this adds up to a strong prima facie case that demands a response if Israel wants to avoid being considered a pariah state. It has now successfully managed to anger the entire European Union and Australia-sayin "no comment" is not an acceptable answer. You might believe that there is no evidence; unfortunately others do not, and Israel is endangering its relations with all these states.
none of which walk. They don't even crawl. Australia has a RIGHT to have the matter of forged passports of Australian citizens investigated.
If it was Mossad, it would only show how despicably low they are willing to go, implicating innocent Israeli civilians, their own, in an assassination.
"(better jews, because non-jews, especially Palestinians ("Arabs") with Israeli citizenship mustn't have two passports)" Huh? I'm an Israeli Christian with two passports, dual citizenship. Your post was silly. Why should new Israelis be forced to abandon all legal ties with the countries of their birth? In many cases, it would be necessary to obtain visas to visit their former countries of residence if they surrendered their passports.
fake passports were used by people unkown. nor is there proof that those fake passport users have any connection to this case. fake passports are used by many people. the information in the passports was available to australian authorities and to any immigration authorities where the genuine passport holders might have traveled. the evidence thus far presented is very thin.
been done... http://tinyurl.com/y8ewves/myths-mis-conceptions-propaganda/#who-is-being-wiped-off-the-map Try to prove it's wrong... good luck.
if there is evidence beyond what has been reported in the press, it would leak out. dubai's police chief would have presented such evidence. thus far, all that has been proven is that fake passports were used. fake passports are easy to acquire, as even dubai press admitted. they are used by many people all the time. i wonder whose passports western intelligence agencies use. be assured that they do not use their own passports. i would be astonished if australia's intelligence operatives used their own passports. shalom.
Australian forces are in Afghanistan under a UNSC resolution, uniformed, not using stolen identities, carrying arms openly. Against the war on terror are you?
There was no proof. 11+17=26, isn't it? This number is too high to be true. But what is the limit for Dubai investigaytion? 26? 260? For Jew Haters even 2600 would mean "Jewish Conspiracy".
Australia special forces assassinate many taliban in afghanistan who are no threat to australia. Yet Australia under the leftist rudd votes against israel at the UN for israel defending herself against iranian and hamas rocket attacks. Israel has no friend in australia under the leftist rudd.
where? The exact quote of the number and naming them as spies at the Dept of Defense by the Dept of defense will do.
Israel must have had the blessing of the big players for this operation ( If and when the truth comes out ) This is why we still have no official statement that the mossad conducted such an operation .
"But most of the people (the guys) in the pics look Israeli - you have to admit." Look "Israeli"????? Are you aware that most Jews worldwide are of MidEast origin, and that Jews and Arabs are related and pass as each other every day? Gotta love these bozos who think they're in the know.
Time for the Aussies to put up or shut up.
It would appear that once again Israel has gravely miscalculated the consequence of its actions. The guise of self preservation can no longer be used.It is clear that the Israeli state has become what it once despised and for that reason will no longer recieve the support of other nations. The disproportionate use of force during the Gaza conflict upon civilians including the use of phosphorous and this latest incident clearly highlights the fact that Israel is no longer a moderate thinking nation.Be assured in Australia the outrage over this is pulpable not for the act,but the manner it which it was executed.When a nation abandons the rule of law it can not expect support when it itself suffers the same fate.And when it uses other nations documents and citizens identities to achieve its end and lacks the courage to come out of the shadows it is doomed to its own arrogance.
Unless Israel retreats to the Green Line, accepts the Saudi Peace Plan.
Assuming Mossad is responsible, could this be a double-agent trap set by the supposed Palestinian agents involved? Another theory: could this be an 'inside' job to bring down the present government?
But most of the people (the guys) in the pics look Israeli - you have to admit.
Why has no foreign intelligence agency, given the 'evidence,' chose to refute the accusation against the Mossad? Why has the USA, who stands accused of harboring the minor mid-west bank that supplied the credit cards, not refuted the accusations against Mossad? There are a few possibilities. First, there might be a world-wide conspiracy of so many of Israel's allies and Dubai a nation which has tried to open doors to Israel, intended to discredit Israel. Second, that the Mossad screwed the pooch by pulling off an operation in a fashion which every intelligence agency understands was reckless and committed crimes against Israel's allies. Take your pick.
....that the Holocaust (as tragic and horrible as it was) can not be regarded as a "complimen- tary ticket" to do now whatever you like doing, regardless of the opinion and feelings of other folks. There are other people living with you on this planet earth, and they also have their legiti- mate rights and aspirations..... P.S. Kevin Rudd is as staunch of an Israel supporter, as it only can get, if words like these start coming out of his mouth, then you know that you're in deep, deep trouble....
Israel is responsible for this murder. Every country that has had their passports forged has called in the Israeli ambassador for a dressing down. Obviously their intelligence has determined Israel is responsible. I suspect there is a lot of evidence Dubai is keeping to themselves pending indictments and requests to Interpol for arrest warrants. Perhaps Natanyahu and Dagan will be amongst those indicted. It matters little if the victim deserved to die. That is not for the Mossad to determine but rather a court of law. The Mossad has simply shown the world how inept they have become.
There were over 100 "art students" from the Mossad spying at the Department of defense. When will everyone learn Israel doesnt care anything about its allies as long as it get what it wants.
CJK: "not only does australia have no proof that israel is involved," It has proof that people travelled to Dubai on fake Australian passports, and that all of those used the identity of Australians who are living in Israel. That is more than enough for Australia to be justified in demanding the full co-operation of Israel in investigating THAT crime. CJK: "but it has no proof of cause of death" Irrelevent. Australia wants to know who is abusing its passports. CJK: "the idea that 26 people were involved in this s-called assassination is quite implausible." Irrelevent; Rudd wants to know who is forging aussie passports. CJK: "the idea that some of these people, all of them jewish, would take a boat to iran, is absurd" Irrelevent; aussie passports were forged, and the Aussie govt wants to know who forged them. How many straw men *are* you going to erect, Cipora?
nd" How Australia and other countries permitted to forge the passports to implicate Israelis?
I don't understand on one thing - why Israelis (better jews, because non-jews, especially Palestinians ("Arabs") with Israeli citizenship mustn't have two passports) need two passports; two citizenships? They have country/state Israel, they have Israeli citizenship and not need another or more. I think, that is normal have only one citizenship - in country, where I live most time, where I have my roots. I can go everywhere on the Earth, I can live everywhere some time, but home I have only one and citizenship too. And, if you have some problems with Israeli citizenship, you must ask why; we are not blind. Or are you ashamed of your country, of your Israeli citizenship???
Cipora suggests there is no proof of Israel's involvement. In fact it is up to the countries whose passports have been forged to decide what level of proof they require to determine that Israel was involved, and that they will no longer consider it a friend- as Mr Rudd explains. All of the genuine passport holders have visited or are resident of Israel as well. Israel is the only common denominator. No other state could have on its own gained those details, without some implausible massive effort merely to frame Israel. Israel also had a motive, the history of such actions, and the capability. I know if I was Australia, the UK, France, Germany, Ireland, what conclusion I would arrive at; and there's enough proof for me. A few more friends down the drain.
The elected government of Palestine keep repeating they will never recognise Israel,While Israeli govt keeps repeating they support a Palestinian state. Amazing how the Anti Israel mob keep ignoring reality.
"not only does australia have no proof that israel is involved, but it has no proof of cause of death" and you are the chief who views ALL the evidence? quit defending, this time you are out of gas! Read Harvey's post #5, envoys are not called in based on media reports. shalom
I write as a true friend and lifelong defender of Israel. Those who authorized the use of passports of allied countries have severely damaged Israel. They have unwittingly helped the Hamas terrorists. Australia supported Israel along with the US when no other country stood with Israel! No proof? Come on, that excuse is wearing a bit thin. As the Australian FM said, what happenned is not the act of a friend.
I would say that those who engage in Holocaust Denial have an intense emotional/ideological need to refute the concept that Nazi Germany sought to exterminate many people's that it considered genetically inferior and threatening. There are even those Holocaust Deniers who have an emotional need to pretend that ONLY Jews were targets for extermination in the Holocaust. There are many people in the world who have the need to deny reality because it impinges upon their fragile self-delusions. The majority of those murdered in the Holocaust were Jews. But there were also millions of Gypsies, Catholics, Gays, disabled and Liberals. The Holocaust extended far beyond Nazi hatred for Jews. And those who need to deny the reality need help. So what about 'Dubai Deniers'? They too have a bizarre need to deny reality. While they 'defend' unnecessarily the whacking of a terrorist, they 'deny' who did it. How curious. How pathological. How unnecessary. How self-destructive.
Equals 52 reasons why Europe no right to lecture Israel, needs to consider taking marksmanship lessons from IDF. Nobody died in Dubai except the bad guy, and Europeans are beside themselves because whoever did it forged some passports. Meanwhile, in Afgan, NATO missiles fired by sergeant in a control room 200 miles away missed the bad guy and killed 26 innocent Afgans, a scene repeated over and over because certain people don't like to get their hands dirty with boots on the ground, firing only "when you see the whites of their eyes" (Brits dislike this expression, its from Lexington in our 1776 war ousting them). Imagine the hysteria and "disproportionate force" outcry if the IDF killed 26 ACTUAL Gaza terrorists in response to a kassam killing of Sderot villagers. Here, no NATO townsfolk were killed by Afgans or Talibans, but somehow this carnage is not "disproportionate". Bottom Line: to EU, both of us, Jews and Muslims, are just a bunch of WOGs with lesser rights than they have.
What was wrong with part 1 and 3? Who knows. I can't even imagine what was wrong with either of them. The 'dart board' method of censorship? Who knows.
are silent when these terrorists kill Jews but when, and there is no proof we did this, defend ourselves they condemn us. It s okay to kill a jew i guess. Australia was originally a penal colony... hmmmmm
...they are not a block of Arab countries, or countries you might claim are automatically hostile to Israel. Are France, Britain, Austria, Ireland, Australia etc all hostile to Israel? No. There must be some ironclad reason sweetie. And on the number of operatives. Do any of you do the slightest research or common sense thinking before you post? I know I've asked that quite often over the years in these talkbacks, yet it still amazes me. Mark Lincoln has already touched on it, as have I elsewhere and here and it got censored or whatever. All these people came from different originations, the left to different and disparate destinations including the two on the boat to Iran. This is textbook when evading a relatively sophisticated surveillance. It compartmentalizes tasks yet leaves cross-trained personnel to finish the mission if the first team gets nabbed. But as Mark points out. Mossad didn't figure on Dubai's expertise at quickly stitching the events together. Bummer.
Tell me, why should Australia continue to be Israel's friend?
The Palestinian suspects being held in Dubai would need to be under the most stringent security. Wouldn't they?
not only does australia have no proof that israel is involved, but it has no proof of cause of death. the idea that 26 people were involved in this s-called assassination is quite implausible. the idea that some of these people, all of them jewish, would take a boat to iran, is absurd. dubai has thus far only provided photocopies of what it claims to be fake passports. the identity of the fake passport holders is unknown.
will someone tell me what passport the dead humous guy was traveling on ..who issued it and how did dubai let him in ..if they are so clever
the Kangaroos, no wonder Australia is angry.
How could one keep a public room under complete surveillance 24/7 without the 'spies' being detected? Well you could use lots of spies so that no one sat around under surveillance for too long. But then if the hand-offs could be checked against arrival photos of persons and their passports. . . And then against their appearance in the area under surveillance. . . Folks, the people who did this, and the agency which ran them made a fine attempt to confuse modern surveillance technology and flunked the exam. The failure was one, I suspect, of arrogance. The belief that no Arab could use modern technology as the British police do, and do it well. Surprise! The problem now is damage control. Which is a problem which involves MANY problems. The same technology has revealed Hamas agents and Fatah Agents. It seems to suggest cooperation between some in Hamas, some in Fatah and Mossad. The Netanyahu government seems paralyzed. The we must consider the fiasco when under Netanyahu. .
What a bunch of hypocrites. Those who defend Hamas have learned nothing from Nazi Germany. Hamas needs to suffer the same fate as all genocidal organizations.
The Israeli abuse of passports used by people with dual Israeli and other nationalities is a very good reason for stopping dual passports. Either you are an Israeli or a Brit, an Aussie, Irish French, kiwi, American, etc. Thanks Mossad for pointing out this very important choice that has been put before the relevant governments. I for one will be pushing the NZ Government to do away with dual nationalities.
Whatever the truth of the matter, I simply cannot imagine Israeli envoys being called in to governments across the world if there is no evidence linking Israel in some way to the assassination in Dubai. Governments do not act on media reports alone, if at all.
If Israel has been complicit in the misuse of Australian passports then it does not deserve to have Australia as a friend. We are not part of a mafia of any kind no matter what the cause. We were disgusted when you tried it with our mates the New Zealanders. How many nations around the world do you want to piss off?
26 spies (in counting) unemployed and early retired... as long as we don't to have to pay for their pensions 'cause they look young! Standard operating procedures unveiled! Good Job… is overwhelmed!
When pressed by journalists Stephen Smith Australia's foreign minister said that Australia doesn't support state sponsored assassinations. I wish that someone had pointed out that Australia was supporting them almost daily in Afghanistan.
I can't, in my lifetime, recall a larger bust of a spy network. There's more people involved in this assassination than in the entire 911 terrorist attacks that led the US into the false Iraq and Afghanistan wars.