PMO: Israel 'disappointed' by list for prisoner swap

I should have clarified it for you. AVI (American Veterans of Israel) has roster of American, Canadian and European Volunteers, MACHAL that fought in Israel during 1948/1949. Surely you remember where you picked up your extra cigarette rations and the extra couple of pounds each month? First place was at a hotel on the TA beachfront and afterward an office in town.-------------------------- By Amiram Barkat and Avi Issacharoff, Haaretz Correspondents and News Agencies: PMO: Israel 'disappointed' by list for prisoner swap Talkback Title: #418 Abbie Lipschutz Name: * BEN JABO City: USA State: If you fought as a volunteer (Machal) in `48, you should be on AVI`s roster. Can`t seem to find you listed. Any comment?

If you fought as a volunteer (Machal) in '48, you should be on AVI's roster. Can't seem to find you listed. Any comment?

"PLO terrorists." Yes, and we spent decades talking to them and what was achieved? Nothing, just more violence. We shouldn't still be talking to them. "Oslo". Check the numbers. Twice as many terror attacks in the two years after Oslo as the two years before it. Gosh, that one worked too... "Weshould work on any proposal as a basis for negotiations." Yet you don't seem willing to work for UNR181 and UNSCR242, just whatever the Arabs throw up as their latest obfuscation. If you really did fight in '48, then you know that the local Arabs and the Arab League unconditionally declared war against Israel's existence. That you can't demand they unconditionally end the same State of War shows just how far from reality you are.

What do we want, 100 more years of bloodshed? Remember,just a few years before Oslo we would not talk to "PLO terrorists." Anyone who did was prosecuted. Even if Oslo did not succeed, at least there was HOPE. Weshould work on any proposal as a basis for negotiations. Have you tried to imagine what you would do if you were a Palestinian living under 30 years of occupation and oppression? If we do not wake up, there will never be peace. I was a volunteer in Israel's Independence war. of 1948/49, a samal machlaka in Kiryati and Giv'ati. I witnessed atrocities on the part of both sides(read Benny Morris's books.) My heart bleeds when I see the hatred, the racism, the conviction that power justifies everything. I have a deep bond and stake in Israel's survival as a free, democratic and just nation. Continu- ing bloodshed will never carry us there. Take an example from "Doctors for Human Rights, Israel." "It is better to light one candle than curse the dark" (Eleanor Roosevelt.)

It hss to be one for one. Anything else is extortion. Problem is, if they all get released, they'll go back to doing the nasty and will have to be re-incarcerated. Next time, they'll try and kidnap a few more Israeli's and demand more outrageous ratios of exchange.

The exorbitant price Israel is asked to pay for the release of kidnapped Israelis should not be paid, and the kidnappings must be stopped. One way of doing this might b for Israel e to sentence convicted terrorists on death row. When an Israelis are kidnapped and ransom is demanded, Israel shold start executing the terrorists on death row at the rate of 2 or 3 per day until the kidnapped Israeli is released. This gives Israel the leverage to deal with ransom requests.

US prisons: 1) Mattresses on floors do not equal beds, even in the US 2) US courts have had to make the same decisions as the Israeli court. Try reading "the Pals are David" 1) So David declared war on the Philistines, claiming they had no right to have their own country? 2) The Pals are funded by Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran and other countries much larger than Israel. Strange definition of "underdog". "Jesus" would slap you senseless for saying he'd support terrorism. "East", you don't give a name, so is that England, Germany, where else in Europe was your home? Or do you think Europeans only displace aboriginal Americans in Nevada? "bible issued land claim" doesn't matter. It's the documented history of more than 3,000 years here. Of course, Ballistic can't admit that, as it'd ruin his fantasy universe. So many rants, so little reality.

Those who huff and puff in indignation over trading prisoners really need to get out every once in a while. There are thousands of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli prisons, being held under "administrative detention." This in the so-called "democracy" of the M.E. There are women and children in those hell holes for various political crimes like throwing rocks. Then there are the thousands of Palestinians who have been died at the hands of state terorrism conducted by Israel. Since when is political assasination not a form of terrorism? Really. The rank hypocrisy and solipsism here is amazing.

Look here Tosefta,and hear me well. Kath's language unladylike tho' brutal,time has come to stop the niceness and just be truthful.No more idle chatter and be damned the poetry,this has gone far,too far for idle chatter.If you think Gaza is an open prison, lets remember the Israeli Jews living in constant psychological but also in their open PRISON! Sheesh...........

I guess we will all see whether that bible issued land claim is valid. So far, it looks like God may have some issues based on what is going on there. God said he would return the Jews to the Holy Land AFTER he had already kicked them out ions ago for the same sort of behavior, according to your bible, as is being exhibited now. Do you think God is happy with Israel? You make it sound as though no matter the complained of behavior, that God is gleeful at what he is no doubt witnessing. Well, l do believe we will have to wait and see, however, if Jews believed what you are saying, they wouldn't be worried about Iran and the Pals cause God would take care of it, wouldn't he? I don't think he is into F16's, gunships and bombs, do you? What happened to faith? God plans and man plans, so we will soon see if he agrees or disagrees at what you are saying. Regards.

coming up is about as likely as my hitting Megabucks. I'll worry about it if and when it comes about. I can easily move back to my home in the East as I own nothing here!!! A 200 year old land claim versus a 4,000 year old land claim! Say, what do you think about that? However, the Indian blood is good for many other benefits--they don't wanna share their lucrative casinos I guess and they shouldn't. I do believe zionists will be moving before I have to worry about going back home based on the US allowing an Indian claim, along with my mate who does own. What do you think? Regards.

with her tanks and gunships and the Pals are David, the underdog, without gunships. Come on Maria, do you think the IDF goes in there hand to hand; they use tanks and gunships whenever necessary. Do you think Jesus would approve of what you are saying? I don't. I think he would be right in there with the Pals throwing stones, yessiree, I believe he would since he loved the underdog. REGARDS (I forgot last time).

Have you grown tired of defending the indefensible? Shame on you. Keep pushing. Regards.

Do you know of prisoners in the US without beds? Juveniles or adults? Crowded, yes, but prisoners have beds. Sad the Israeli court had to rule that beds must be provided; Haaretz article made it plain they were sleeping on floors. What, can't afford cots?

How can Israeli officials complain about not liking the prisoner list especially the names of those with "blood on their hands" What about the 5,000 or more Palestinians their own forces murdered over the the last 5 years? Nearly half those victims were civilians with no ties to terror. Indeed, over a third of them were mere children gunned down in cold blood by IDF on their way to or from school or chasing a soccer ball or one another. And what about the 660 Palestinians the IDF murdered following the reinvasion of Gaza last year over the captured of 2-3 prisoners; and the IAF's vicious air strikes over southern Lebanon that left over 1,100 Labanese civilians dead? How can they complain about Palestinian prisoners with blood on their hands-- when they are roaming around scot free with their hands dripping in Palestinian people. How atrocious! Dutch

ERIC DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCEPT OF REALITY AT ALL ?/ YOUR CONCEPT OF THE MID EAST AND MUSLIMS AS SOME PEOPLE LIVING IN INDEPENDENCE AV ANYOWN USA IS HILARIOUSLY FUNNY STUPIDITY. THER HAVE BEEN MANY NAMES FOR MUSLIM TERRORISM OF 14 CENTURIES BUT IN THE END IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO THE SAME !!

If your Cherokee heritage is somehow linked to the Freedmen, Oklahoma Cherokee Nation members have recently voted to oust you. "Cherokee Nation Vote: No Such Thing as a Black or White Indian" http://www.californiachronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=22354

are really going overboard. I understand this is a sensitive issue. A general rule as practiced in most other countries is no negotiating with kidnappers, it will only bring on more kidnappings. However, since the Israeli army has made kidnapping something of her specialties in this case I would say a deal should be made. And quite frankly Israel has caused the inflation ( hundreds for one ) on it's own head. It has made abundantly clear over the last decades that Palestinian lives are cheap and that Jewish lives are very, very expensive.

the cold blooded murder of mothers and children? do you really want to breech that subject? or are you so totally impervious to the actions of the idf that you have no concept? please don't BORE me with your counter-accusations that amount to nothing more than decoys from reality and don't insult my intelligence by telling me telling me that there is a NEED to imprison 11 and 12 year old children. you are just like the rest of your bigotted buddies in these talkbacks who try to portray every single palesitinian as a terrorist no matter what their age. you're all insane. and being exposed to your mentalities has enlightened me on how anyone could ever pull the trigger with a child in their sites. you and yours have made it oh so crystal clear to me. and it explains why there's such a high percentage of palestinian children who've been killed.

The mandate of the International Committee of the Red Cross is to provide humanitarian assistance during CONFLICTS. It is appaling that you try to claim that the international laws that are applicable during conflict are not of the domain of the Red Cross. It is also appaling that you dare claim that Israel somehow could penetrate the Red Cross and jeopardise its neutrality. All officers of the Red Cross are Swiss citizens. I wonder whether you believe your own lies, or whether you are totally ignorant. Regarding Shalit: I did not say that Israel knows where he is kept since I am not privy to such information, and neither are you. What I said was that according to some reports it is known which clan holds him. Even if Israel knew where he was held, it is not obvious that he could be extracted by force. Those who are responsible for hs situation will, I hope, one day pay with their lives. They have done enormous harm to Shalit, his family, the IDF, Israel, and to their own people.

It is a sorry day for Israel that it must trade these disgusting terrorist for that valiant POW. Those terrorist monsters were convicted in a court of law. They are criminals. They belong in jail serving long hard prison sentences. That Israeli solder was purposely kidnapped to extort the Government into this ridiculous 1000 to 1 exchange. Next time Israel, remember, NO ONE GETS LEFT BEHIND! If the military can't take care of its own, then you might as well open the prisons now and let all the these "convicted" Islamo/Fascist Murderers loose to unleash more death and destruction in the name of Allah!!!

Obviously if those terrorists had been legally put to death, there would simply be no question. Under the pretext that Israeli is a democracy, the death penalty would not be applicable? This is simply a non-sense, just take the example of the first democracy in the world: the US of A. Keeping those animals alive make the Israeli society too much vulnerable and promote the abduction of Israeli soldiers. Also the Hannibal command has to be amended in the way of shooting to abducters even if putting at risk the life of the Israeli abductee. For God's sake, Israel make Thora and Mitzvot and wake up, trust in Achem!

Ivan,before you fall in love with Sara,why don't you go to the link below and read for yourself what M Barghouti is convicted for. Or maybe you rather choose to ignore the truth and believes in lie. http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2002/12/State%20of%20Israel%20vs%20Marwan%20Barghouti-%20Ruling%20by%20Jud

he should not have started that mess. He admitted he was the one in the wrong. Put a huge portion of blame where it belongs, on Hezbollah and Syria and Iran. Great Muslim propaganda, staged and used to death.

everyone of them. Just like the kid that stabbed the soldiers and the kids throwing molotov cocktails and rioting. Yes, the poor innocents. Too bad Hamas hasn't locked up the disgusting human beings, Pals, who shot the two year old and her mother. Of course they were just fighting for their freedom.

"who are the rightful owners of their land are the jewish people---it`s recorded in the bible.your land and my land were not recorded that we owned them....what about this:africans belong to africa;arabs belong to arabia;jews belong to israel." May I ask how old you are? 5 perhaps!

Would you really want her to move back to England?

The only way to avoid this terrible situation of releasing convicted killers, is to avoid taking prisoners of those known to have killed Israelis.This has got to be extremely difficult for the Israelis to decide.Far too many of those released in the past under the same circumstances have returned to their killing ways.Since the rule of law is not followed by the PA in its support of those involved in kidnappings,it cannot be followed by the Israelis. I would warn the PA that there will be no more future swaps. I would swap the soldier for a few leading Arab killers.Finally, I would remove any future killers with extreme prejudice.

What crocodile tears? I guess from your post you must think it's OK for Pals to kill their own kids in gun battles in the streets. Sicko!!

but do us all a favor; STOP your claim of christianity. you are NO christian... that has become painfully clear... and any who continue to believe your little charade really need to pay close attention to your posts... and your singleminded denial. you're a fraud!

Como vai: Eu estava vivendo em Brasil no nova Ipanema na frente de Carreour. Eu estava vivendo em Brasil no nova Ipanema na frente de Carreour. Um dia eu irei lá permanecer. Eu não gosto dos E. U. Pesaroso mas meu portugese não é muito bom Boa sorte Abdul

"GET UP AND GO,ARREST,CLEAN UP THE MESS AND WE CAN SAY "BUGGER"TO THE REST.." - Kath' How about writing a mad poem, translating it into Arabic, then spread it by airplanes over the Gaza strip? The Arabs love poetry; they will read your poem and go bananas. Problem solved! P.S. You have to threaten them with something tougher than prison. They think they already ARE in the big Gaza prison.

isn't it amazing what you can see when your eyes are actually open.

but i don't frequent propaganda sites from either side of the issue... because just like you... they're full of it!

have you consulted a dictionary? because if not; maybe you should...

Whether it is "bird of outer space or not" What would grand "master" do under this cirumstances? There are "tribes" there are "clans" there are diverse so-called Gov' autorities,unable to work,show some strength! Cowardly lot ,with all the "clans"not mention the "tribes" they have.Additionally different factions too numerous to mention,with different and varied acti strength,so many variables,so many different factions,so many,so many I just despair.To see the horried picture on the other forum,was enough to convince me we are dealing with a mini if not,a BLOODY TALIBAN/AFGHANISTAN and HIZBULLAHSTAN RIGHT IN OUR MIDTS. ISRAEL will have to get up and go,arrest or give them whatfore.Go in there and finish the job,cut the water,the eletricity,damn to them and to the world's incincerity! They do not have to live in constant hell, so will not accommodate any of them. GET UP AND GO,ARREST,CLEAN UP THE MESS AND WE CAN SAY "BUGGER"TO THE REST..

So UK does keep citizens in jail without trial ! Intersting, from your comments I taught Israel State was the only country in the world to commit such atrocity ! You say US is a disgraceful examples and can not be used as models for fair justice procedures. Regarding Iran , your silence is louder than thousand words - Worst than US !!! Maybe, we should then look for other conuntries who face similar threats ! Your choice: Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria or Jordan. Or even Palestinian Justice: Death Sentence for anyone who sell a house to a Jew ! But please do not make fun of m bringing Ireland as an example for anti-terror legislation since an Irish has the same chances of dying in a terror plot as a Brazilian dying in an earthquake.

i don't know how sara feels towards the situation in general because i've not followed her posts. i do know however, that in post 14 she mentions the light at the end of tunnel concerning the prisoner swap. i fail to see how that would mean she "sees the light" when innocent civilians are being killed. as for myself; i cannot even begin to fathom the acts of terror carried out by either side, but were you to ask me who is MORE in the wrong; my answer would be "israel" without hesitation. not for it being a jewish state, but because of its occupation and oppression of the palestinians and for its total disregard for their human rights and their lives, and for the daily humiliation and harsh treatment that they suffer. nadav, these are the things that fuel terrorism and win it support. and i know there are people in israel who would change these policies if they could; and my heart goes out to them, and to you if you're one who envisions them.

who are the rightful owners of their land are the jewish people---it's recorded in the bible.your land and my land were not recorded that we owned them....what about this:africans belong to africa;arabs belong to arabia;jews belong to israel.

No one defending Israel can possibly accuse the other side of comprimising international laws.Israel ignores U.N.resolutions(for 40 years)ignores the geneva convention,and disregards international law.

well said...

...what did david use to kill goliath? david chose five smooth stones out of the brook and a sling in his hand.

not knowing you don't get on with folk would be the main difference between you and many other people: You just don't have people skills. ;) PF

and were not innocents.

i do believe you might indeed empathize a bit with their plight, nadav. however, respect is something earned; it cannot be enforced on a people who suffer extreme oppression, humilation and occupation at the hands of those who demand it. and to try to do so only deepens resentment and their will to resist. occupation and oppression breed terrorism, nadav. it wasn't but a few years ago that the majority of pals disapproved of terrorist acts and hamas did not rate well with them. but the idf's operation "defensive shield" and subsequent incursions brought a shift in public opinion. and i have no doubt the majority still didn't approve of their means; but they represented the only palestinian victories, small as they were. even the qassams are little more than an ego booster, as ineffective as they are. the reality of it is that BOTH sides are equally as guilty when it comes to terrorists acts; the only difference are the means by which they carry them out.

And I suggest to and appeal to the jews under control of the extremists"settlers"your support of the right wing fanatics is an obstacle in the way of moving forward to an accomodation of peaceful co-existence.

I am fully aware who "Sara" is or are (he,she,they....) Sorry, but nobody is perfect !!! My great "defect"is that can not help myself in avoiding a confrontation when somebody pisses me of with such nasty words ! This is not d first time I met "Sara" and it will not be the last one ! Layla Tov !

actually it's a facility that only holds juveniles; and for a max. sentence of up to 2 years; no more. and not a single one of them is there for throwing rocks...and especially not for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. like walking home from school or playing too close to "the wall". i guess those kids are lucky though, right? they could just as easily have been shot and killed like so many are! how many israeli children are in prison lynn? how come the kids from hebron, and their parents, who throw rocks at palestinians who are harvesting their olives aren't in prison or even arrested for that matter? instead they're just shoo'd away by the idf, if the idf choses not to turn a blind eye. even then; that probably depends on who's watching(ie: witnesses). yes lynn, there are juveniles in prison here... but every one of them has been tried in a court for "actual" crimes without any coerced signatures on documents that without their knowledge are admissions of guilt.

Eu sou carioca , morou !!!!!! Anything else ?

STUPID AND COWARDLY ACTS OF OUR ISRALEI LEADERS I WOULD DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU SUGGEST,AND THEN SEE THE GRAND "PANTOMIME". I'D LOVE THE GOV'TO HAVE THE GUTS AND DO AS YOU SUGGEST.AFTER ALL,WHAT DOES ISRAEL HAVE TO LOSE? DO TO THEM,AS THEY ARE PREPARED TO DO WITH US.And yes,WE HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE,SO MANY TIMES TOO RIDICULOUS TO MENTION TO DO AS YOU SAY WOULD SOLVE IT ONCE&FOR ALL. THE PROBLEM IS THE ISRAELI GOV'IS TOO SOFT,AND ALWAYS AN EYE ON:OH DEAR,WORLD OPINION. BUGGER WORLD OPINION!THEY DON'T HAVE THE CONSTANT ROCKET ATTACKS,KIDNAPPINGS,AND NOT A DAY PASESS WHEN THE IDF HAS HAD TO FIND "TUNNELS" AND TERRORISTS ON THEIR WAY TO COMMIT THEIR ATROCITIES. THANKS TO THE VIGILANCE OF THE IDF MANY WOULD BE TRRORISTS HAVE BEEN APPREHENDED.GOES ON EVERY DAY. Nick I am sorry for the "caps" found it much easier and frustration had something to do with it I suppose.......................

YOur calling me windy is certainly a case of the pot calling the kettle black. I sent the photos, two sets in response to your post to me/Maria. I believe we could keep on trading em, yup. However, the point is well taken that you and yours are in no position to take the high and mighty roae, you are just another side of the flipped coin. Stop being hypocritical!!! And there would be more for the murders in the Pal prison if the photographers didn't keep on getting dead by "accident"!

i don't have the patience to do it here because it would take several posts. but bottom line is that hamas was not very popular a couple years ago...and israel actually did more to increase their popularity than they did. also, their win at the polls was NOT by popular vote but rather by placing their emphasis on certain select precincts that brought them to power DESPITE losing the popular vote. just as in the u.s. the president is chosen by electoral votes; not the popular vote. if peaceful progress was made; and if israel stopped its ventures into palestinian territory...which it pretty much has the last year or so...there's no doubt hamas will quickly fall from favor... but then again...the more time that goes by with no progress towards peace and no easing of the burdens they're forced to live under... the more entrenched hamas will become... just as hezbollah has become entrenched in lebanon.

But let me say this: the Jews are the greatest anti Semites,since they hate their Semitic relatives, the Palestinians(and Arabs).

handiwork of you and yours in Lebanon where those folks were massacred behind BS and lies? YOu wanna talk about the Pals? What about the zionists so I have provided a cite for you to see what you and yours are about and again, folks in glass houses should never throw stones as these Lebanon horror photos point out: http://cryptome.quintessenz.at/mirror/qana/qana-photos.htm

Yeah, I know, blah, blah, blah, how do you train your little sweet petutties? To write love messages on bombs during the Lebanon war for bombs ready to kill up the civilians. People in glasss houses should never throw stones. I saw the pic on CNN with proud parents standing by. You are a hypocrite! Behold your little well trained brainwashed yearlings at http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/07/17/photo-of-the-day-israeli-kids-sends-gifts-of-love-to-arab-kids/ Regards. Ballistic.

said about this needless US war which stirred up Muslims around the world along with prior bad acts in their countries. Whatever the size of Israel has nothing to do with the issue does it? If it were a parking lot and taken from those living there hundreds of years, it would still be a problem. You are suggest that it is such a small tad of land that was stolen citing ancient land claims that it is okay. I think not. If somebody came and took your home and told you to get out, what would be your response I wonder. Probably the same folks who rose up when the Supreme Court ruled states could take private land and give to private parties for profit. Now almost every state has a law forbidding taking private land for another private profit making entity to increase revenue. I guess americans understand the concept of taking your land and giving to another. I didn't hear anybody argue that the Indians still owned it, did you? Ah, thought not. Regards.

Jane How many time will Israel have to use this revolving door policy? Our Israel has had to do this over,and over again.How many more opportunities will you give THIS BASTARDS WHEN WE KNOW ONCE OUT,THEY WILL TURN AROUND AND GET BACK ON THE JOB THEY HAVE NOT,ACORDING TO THEIR TWISTED MENTALITY NOT DO IT AGAIN!Yes Jane,there must be another choice.Because if the GOV' doesn't stop this state of affairs it will continue regardless....

1. "Regarding 306: You have posted this same inane post for months now." - Dense Bird. I first posted it yesterday. The reason for Shalit's kidnapping, though, remained the same. I have been saying it since the beginning, lest we forget. 2. "Shalit`s kidnapping was a violation of international law. I have also told you that refusing Red Cross visits is also a violation of international law." - Dense Bird from Outerspace It is really funny how the Dense Bird cannot comprehend the different realities to which different laws apply. This is no peacetime, and peace time laws do NOT apply. Israel is in OCCUPATION of Gaza and enters its territory and airspace regularly. In war, A enters the territory of B and B enters the territory of A. Nothing illegal here. And Red Cross visits are also subject to POSSIBILITY which would not endanger the life of the captors. The choice: Death to the captors or visits to Shalit. Stupid birds don't know what the choice MUST be, and justifiably so. If Hamas allows visits, their location will be found out and Israel will move in. Better do yourself a favor and do not deal with Earthly law. You cannot apply it. You are a total legal incompetent (as they told you in school). 3. "Furthermore, if you knew the facts, you would know that he is being held by a clan that is not under Hamas control." What a stupid statement, even for you. Israel does not know where Shalit is. A clan is too big a group to hold a secret for so long. Perhaps you mean the Journalist Johnston? Oy Vey.

nope I am not!!! If the US ever decides to return the land to the Indians, I will be right up front with my Cherokee mixed with black papers. Say, why not advocate for that for me and others similarly situated?? Regards. As far as the first part of your premise, I don't know that if ALL Jews have that right but clerly those with TIES to the land do, but do agree with the last part of your premise about the americas. Regards.

its as real as day. don't you read the news? would you like a link to a website that tallies the deaths on both sides; and gives a breakdown on the numbers killed in different circumstances? or would you rather just keep your eyes closed to the harsh reality and remain in blissful ignorance to what really is?

The PM's office was "disappointed." If true, they are morons. If not, why say something so dumb ? Earth to the PM's office - you are dealing with terrorists who believe Jew slaughter ensures them spots in paradise. Of course, they would demand release of the murderers .

Tosefta wants to remove the obstacle posed to a two state solution amoungst Jewish and Israeli public opnion that Hamas poses.To do this he tries to fool us with his twisting semantics his half truths and his spin.At heart Tosefta is an arrogant elitist who believes the "common Jew" doesnt have a clue whats good for him.Thus Tosefta feels the need to "hush hush" us on the hamas issue.he KNOWS that hamas is only talking islamic "trash" but doesnt really mean it, the rest of use are just to dumb to get it according to him.He therefore apologises for violent anti semitism all in the name of our "own good" I wonder does this persons delusions and arrogance have any limit? Is their any end to his egotism, or the hatred he has of the jews born of his unhappy childhood experiances in israel?I think he needs our pity more than anything else.

Joey We have the most gifted technologists in the world,and they probably have thought of many ways to enable the type of things you are suggesting.Fact is,the cost! Would it a viable proposition that is the crux of the matter,and not enabling Israelis coming up with a solution It is easier said than done. Just reread your response,about his glasess etc.To track the location where they are hiding Shalit,Yes? Then they will still have to go in and get him out. How would you do it Joey? And how many Shalits will have to be armed with this ingenious article,and the rest.....

the word means dying for one's religion.But ofcourse, Larry would not understand that concept.He only knows what he calls WAR,COLLATERAL DAMAGE and so on.These fancy words mean dropping cluster bombs from airplanes,destroying infrastructure,killing thousands of people, making many more refugees,armoured tanks shooting down defenceless men,women and children.Beating up unarmed teenagers,killing them on the spot as happened recently,the evil of their illegal detention of prisoners, and many more abuses in the system which have been documented by human rights organisations. And then after all that,go home and sleep soundly in his bed.The idea of sacrificing one's life for a cause is simply beyond his moral or intellectual understanding.

Israel has long eroded is undermining the safety of its citizens and soldiers by exchanging terrorists for captured Israelis. As tragic as the circumstances for Schalit and his family may be - the safety of many others is compromised by such exchanges. Israel must return to its longstanding policy of no negotiations or compromises with terrorist organizations.

Jeff hello *BEN JABO sugested something along those lines so did I,except mine is used for the purpose of "anti social behaviour order",and not sufficiently adequate.What you suggest should not be an impossibility.Let us face it,as we witnessed the kidnapping of the British sailors,although not applicable in this instance,I mention it because of the threats by Ahmedinejad that he would continue with kidnappings brought it to mind.it is theri only method to reach their goal and whichever Islamofascists will always try and put into action. I mean this is what these lot are going to pursue and Israel is on the front line, and having abolished the death penalty(which I think was absurd)the means by the GOV',should change their "modus operandi"and resort to better means to avoid further casualties and kidnappings.We have such great minds in Israel sure enough they most probably would have thought about means to deter this. Olmert dithers,whileterorists demand

Shahid is all about making distinctions between blowing oneself up for their religion and killing innocents. Both of these are O.K. in the Holy Quran. Sadly many of us don't read it, or subscribe to its writings or the interpretations used by maniacs to carry out murder. George W. Bush may have had alterior motives to attack Iraq, but the day to day murder and suicide bombings of Muslim against Muslim is something your people need to get a grip on. I suppose that the "Evil Jews" that blew up the U.S.S. Liberty were no different than your "Shahids" blowing themselves up all over the world in the name of Allah. I can guarantee you that those victims families and those that don't want to be victims of your religion can think of nice things to do with you and your believers.

Yes, I remember the wonderful leader this wonderful civilization had - you know the one that invaded kuwait becasue of greed for more oil, and the one who murdered an entire Kurdish town to test some gas, who had a nine year war with its neighbor Iran and sent scuds flying into Israel for the fun of it 0 oh, and who sent a check of $25,000 to the family of anyone who succedded in killing a lot of Israelis by blowing himself up. Forget about the fact that most deaths of innocents in Iraq are caused by Arab Muslims or one sect or another - forget about the fact that it was Arab Muslims who flew into the Twin Towers and murdered 3000 Americans, and forget about the fact that most terror today is committed by Muslims - as long as you have ol' Israel to blame then you're off the hook, right?

Tzfonit Your last Para' says:Then let for Israel to demand the Pali'Gov'arrest rogue militant?You mean "terrorists" factions on trial? My,oh my Tzfonit,you are far too naive in thinking they would do what you suggest. They cannot/will not,do it now when they are unable to keep the "clans" committing atrocities to the NGO's and journalists who have been kidnapped by the aforementioned head of this clan I referred and you are in hopes thinking they will adhere to your wonderful suggestion? You say,they will have to exert control of arms additionally. Frankly my dear,I cannot visualize such a scenario ever,more's the pity............

I am not sure whether you are serious or not, but your suggestion is a violation of all legal standards. Besides, how do you propose to carry out your suggestion? I know that you, like so many of us, are frustrated, but suggestions must be within the realm of the possible, not coming from science fiction. Sorry, I do not mean to be rude. Regards, Cipora p.s. maybe il should make it clear to the clan holding him that the jig is up; either they surrender him for a reasonable pricee, and i mean reasonable, or the entire clan will be liquidated. i see no other possibility.

Alberto I should avoid sending responses to that damn person who comes here with a so-called name of sara.NOT A GENUINE REAL SARAH OF THE JEWS. THAT IS WHY I NEVER EVEN RESD HER POSTS.

I'm brainwashed...I'm sorry for you...but it's not too late...you still have a chance.

what's your problem in accepting you are the one living on stolen land ? it is so obvious that jews have every historical right to be in the m.east and white europeans no historical rights to the "americas, n and south".

Regarding 306: You have posted this same inane post for months now. I have told you many times that Shalit's kidnapping was a violation of international law. I have also told you that refusing Red Cross visits is also a violation of international law. Furthermore, if you knew the facts, you would know that he is being held by a clan that is not under Hamas control. Regarding 300: I have read the article, obviously. My comment to you had nothing to do with the article, but with you. Now, regarding those who have blood on their hands: contrary to you, the leaders of Israel know that all of the people on the list, including Berghouti, are stone cold killers. Whatever Olmert's faults, he does not call terrorists freedom fighters. That is the only difference between you and him. I have to go now, so any nonsense from you will have to wait.

okay, so let's be straightforward. Shalit is most likely dead, which is why the Palis want as many of their people OUT of Israeli prisons for fear of the backlash. Israel needs to remember that dealing with Hamas (which, to all you cats that think Israel is f***ed up won the popular election of the Palestinian people and claims the destruction of all Jews and Israel as their mission statement) regarding hostages means the hostage is dead. The Ordinary way to handle this would be to just kill all of the 450 prisoners and say ... hey, my bad, our guard was kinda pissed today ... why don't you give us back the corpse and if you're lucky we'll give you back a few of yours? Israel CONSISTENTLY fails at the carrot and stick policy. regarding hostages, the carrot should be: don't kill our people, we won't execute yours. take some of ours, dead or alive, and we'll take a LOT of yours, dead.

Shahid is probably some rich American kid who's been caught up in the very successful marketing campaign the Islamists have done with the American Left. From wearing the ever so trendy Kaffiya to using various Arabic names, these fools gleefully embrace the "resistance movement" as some romantic experience. Decades after Che's death, this loony Left now believes killing Jews is just the latest new style and fashion and this silly "shahid" thinks its all so "kewel" - I'm sure he's tied up now listening to the latest tracks on his Ipod ... pathetic

Marwan I appreciate what you are saying and agree you totally.We all know that once out,they will start where they left off.No doubt! Having said this Marwan,can you not be a sort intermediary and bombard the Israeli GOV' with letters warning them of the consequences, although "they are aware"and are caught in a quandry.What say you Marwan? Personally I wouldn't trust them as far as I can throw them,NOT EVER,EVER.......

Clickfool--as in the classical template of the genus: occasionally you are capable of coherently witty insights, but I consider you to be fundamentally a stereotypical anti-Semite. You have long ago dehumanized your interior conception of Jews, Judaism, and Zionism and this dehumanization leads you repeatedly to making blanket generalizations that are no more credible than "fake Clickfool's" Mossadism. A stint as a suicide bomber would introduce some perspective into your politics within the timeframe of your political attention span (as opposed, say, to the strategic timeframe within which Hamas itself works).

If the Quartet are committed to the Road Map, let them demand the release of Israeli soldiers. Israel has left Gaza [and Lebanon] as a good will gesture. Now let Hamas and Hezbollah show some gesture. Israel cannot hand over convicted murderers without undermining any civilised concept of Justice. When will we hear from the Arab League and the Arab Quartet?

There would be no need for tanks if the pebbles weren't accompanied by Molotov cocktails and grenades. Only you would expect a soldier to walk around unprotected, exposing himself to any sort of a missile, bullet or rock. A .22 bullet will kill as readily as a .50 calibre. A pebble from a sling shot, will kill as if it were a bullet. Teach them not to throw anything, that's the way. You really should show your solidarity with the terrorists, either by becoming one of them or using your carcass to shield them. Don't give me a song and dance about the're being "kids", the little darlings are receiving terror training while in kindergarten. Want picture of the little dears brandishing guns in military outfits, ask & you shall receive.

*BEN JABO I sent a response on the subject according to your suggestion of "transmitters"What I suggested above is "the anti social behaviour order".Your suggestion appeals to me,and it would stop them in their tracks before they can do their banditry.Will it be a very costly affair?I have no idea. Better still,since we know once out,these lot will return where they left off! I would not let any of them out.Not until at least our boys are out FIRST. Even then,I have no compunction to let them finish their whole sentence and out as OLD MEN That is my profound view...

has done yeoman(woman) service in her critique of Israel.Two wrongs don't make a right.Right now the question is that of the release of prisoners.One of the bloggers gave a serious report on Israel's scandalous prisoners' policy of illegal detention,detention of children, and other abuses.It is somewhere on this site,right among the top few.The response to this serious account was shocking in its denial,worse, a kind of abuse of this blogger.She had provided a source: any website that is progressive has analysis and so on of the Bargouti show trial. Israel must be criticised and criticised severely,because Israel,the world community has come to understand , is the prime source of the problems in the region.There will be no peace in the Middle East without the resolution of the Palestine question.Regards.

Shahid... all I can say is that thank goodness you are not one of the Arab leaders.... IF YOU WERE YOU WILL NEVER REALISE YOUR SO CALLED DREAM of getting a Palestinian State.... You have to REALISE this and please get this through your HEAD.... Israel is THE ONLY COUNTRY that actually offered the Palestinians their own country (WHICH THEY NEVER EVER HAD).. Your so called ARAB BROTHERS the Jordaniand and the Egyptians NEVER OFFERED YOU a country when they OCCUPIED the WEST BANK and GAZA.. infact THEY OPPRESSED YOU... So get it MR SHAHID... You are right ISRAEL is THE ONLY MIDDLE EASTERN CIVILISED country who is offering a STATE to a very UNCIVILISED people.... ASK YOURSELF THIS QUESTION???? where were YOUR SO CALLED ARAB BROTHERS until 1967????

BEN JABO What I suggested above has to be with an additional secure implementation whereby if they move in the wrong dirrection they will be caught even before the attempt any banditry act. It is meant to be "an anti social behaviour order" but in this case it will require additional comprehensive versus terrorists activity.Wonder if it can be implemented. Just a thought,and any means to stop the scumbags.THAT IS IF THE GOV' DECIDES TO FREE THESE LOT. Why does this question comes here over,and over All the ones mentioned will no doubt be on the streets again to carry on where they left off!

There is an attempt to classify the Palestinian Freedom Fighters as terrorist. If the shoe was on the other foot, I am sure that Maria and others would fight equally as determined and would not discreminate any more than the Hamas does. It, Hamas, has no choice. Its choice of weapons has been sucessfully constrained by The IDF. But the IDF is capable of inflicting disproportionate suffering. The IDF has killed 10 times as many women and children as Hamas so why is Lynn crying crocodile tears and pretending to be the victim. Hasn't Israel taken all the water and best land for its purpose? Lynn, please get consult an eye doctor. I Supported Israel until I spent a month there and saw what was taking place.

I am observing as your president strips Americans of all their civil rights; sends the US sons and daughters off to slaughter and devastate what was once one of the most ancient civilizations on the face of the earth. The civilization that brought us such advancements in science, mathematics, astronomy. This is all gone because of one meglomaniac who happens to be your president.

I sympathize with those who lost loved ones in the bloodbath that the US has turned into Iraq. I also think of the over 70,000 Iraqis who have lost their lives. Bush's "war on terror" was never more than an ill-conceived effort to make him appear as some kind of hero for future generations to admire. Instead he has mentioned to devastate an ancient civilization, destroy all its histore it can, and, in general, wreak havoc throughout the Mid-East; His so-called "Roadmap to peace" was a joke that never got out of the glove box.. His arrogance: "Mission Accomplished," There's a saying out West about "dead or alive, and all of his ignorant utterance would be funny if it did not cost ten of thousands of human lives and the complete ruin of a once-proud nation. One day maybe some Shahid will do the only responsible thing and thereby bring peace to the world. The jews, as you probably don't know, attacked an American ship when it was to their perceived advantage. Read about the USS Liberty.

Just do me a simple favor, be concise, not your usual windy self. I've never seen anyone write so much and say so damn little.

Poor Gilad Shalit was kidnapped as revenge for Israel`s sin: Breaching the cease fire kept by Hamas for many months by assassinating Jalal Samhadana on June 8th. Smahadana was recruited earlier by Hamas to run their Executive Force. The breach of the cease fire started the cycle of violence, with Hamas joining and firing 30-40 Qassams each day and Israel hitting various terrorists and killing many civilians by accident. The culmination was Shalit`s kidnapping on June 25. As announced at the time by the kidnappers Hamas and PRC (Samhadana`s old organization), the kidnapping was their revenge for Samhadana`s killing. The Hizballah carried out its solidarity kidnapping on July 12th. Israel paid heavily for its breach of the cease fire. It is time to do the decent thing and bring the boys home.

Maria is a-okay. She is doing what she thinks is right. Democracy is wunnerful ain't it? I am sure there were fake ballistics; you probably saw em and I didn't. I saw that one in passing. You know my views and there is no need to deny every one. Sad that the practice is employed. Read and enjoyed your posts from today and yesterday. Keep blogging. Regards.

There is a historical precedent for this and was very effective. There are other historical examples that have been implemented by Israel that have reduced the palestinians to a barely recognizable collections of human beings, having been so stripped of human dignity,so embittered and disillusioned that a suicidal death is preferable to continued existance. Tattoing is cheaper and cannot be as eaily altered as other methods. Shalom

to work better than normal; allows you to think clearer. Haven't you ever seen any movies where people and animals were exposed to radiation? You say I advocate that terrorists should be given equal standing with a sovereign state, why not? The term terrorism is relative defined by the speaker. You say they are terrorists for wanting stolen land back; other folks would say they were freedom fighters. Say, what would you be if somebody came in, said they owned something 4,000 years ago and therefore you should pack up immediately and vacate under the pain of death? What would be your response, ah, thought so. Regards. Keep blogging.

I am not surprised that you pervert the definition of "shahid" in you diatribe. The Holy Qu'ran defines the word as one who is willing to die for his/her religion. It has nothing to do with blowing up innocent people; but obviously you do not permit the distinction to bother you.

Thank you Connie! You have a keen mind and are very RIGHT!

"Israel already understands that some "with blood on their hands" will be released. The question is which criteria to use. Here are some possibilities" - Tosefta "You are just a propagandist and an Arab lover." - Dense Bird from Outerspace The Dense Bird read the article, but did not comprehend that the Israeli government has already decided to release prisoners "with blood on their hands" in exchange for Shalit. This makes Olmert and Lieberman "Arab lovers", according to out resident Martian. P.S. Just as an explanation: Martians don't keep prisoners alive. Those who fall captive are sacrificed to Mars, the god of war. Martians don't understand the concept of prisoners' exchange. Too bad. But if The Bird stays on Earth a bit longer, she might get "humanized". We all hope so.

And you,Cohen?Where are you from?From wonderful Brazil?!Oh ...of course not.

I`ve heard there is about thirty thousand Arab resistents in Israel jails!It is an important symbol of Palestinian resistence.

Now THAT is very funny! Particularly the 3rd piece of advice. Cracks me up every time I think of it!!

Indeed, I did forget my usual regards; sorry about that. Does the Bible and Jesus' teaching support what you posted??? Was that you; is this you? Say, you have been hanging out with a wrong crowd I fear. I still say Jesus and I would be in Pal land throwing stones at the Zionists for stealing Pal land and murdering them, the same sorts Jesus threw out of the synagogue in the bible!! Notwithstanding some of our disagreements, I do not take them personally. Forgot the regards; I guess I was wondering if the post I referred to was you!!! Sounds like you have changed a tad since I was last on. Keep blogging.

If Israel gives up 1,000 terrorists for a captured soldier, what does one say to the grieving parents and relatives of those in the IDF who lost their lives in the recent war and to all those grieving for their lost loved ones in the suicide bombings; and what does one say to those still alive who survived the suiciders and are left with lifelong shrapnel in their bodies? This is a war, and to let even one of the bombers or planners go free is a capitulation and will have no good end.

No one goes into rah rah mode as much as you do. And I think the reason is you really have very little to offer except cheering on the anti-Israel gang.

I say release the list without discussion and once they are released deal with them they way they deal with us. Smile, say we are satisfied, then take them out so they can't murder any more Jews.

Cipora, Is our little Likud heart bleeding again...?? And don't worry about my credibility, I am surely not looking for the applause of the Likud-senior club here on Talkback. Because the members of the Likud-senior club are standing as a synomym for the (sadly) lost moral values when it comes to parts of the Israeli society 2007. Keep pampering those who are offering you the desperately needed "smoothies" everyday.... Sorry, but my name is not hypocrite....:)

check out 249.Quite a neat bloodthirsty b_______ he is.Just a few days ago he was talking about God and Christianity. No doubt this guy is an IMPOSTOR.I said it right at the beginning.I repeat it now

Sara: GET REAL!!! How many 'children' are on the Hamas list? Thank God you're not leading the country.

Yes, Sharon was blamed-by Knesset- for not preventing arabs from killing. Could you please tell me what arab organization censured arab murderers?

Pals want to trade one soldier for 450 professional murderers. They don?t want petty criminals to be freed - they want hardened bandits for whom killing is an occupation. They make a nice living (even in prison) out of that: nice cars, big houses, multiple wives and children to support. But they do care whom they murder. To make it more painful for Israeli parents they prefer children or young adults. They live with one purpose - to murder Jews and the more, the better. When they see a pictures of bloody (jewish) human parts spread all over a wedding hall, pizza-hut or discothèque they are happy- they dance and give candies to their children to make them happy too. They are modern Nazis who use nails instead gas chambers. It will cost dearly to Israel if they are freed: thousands of broken lives: civilian and military, men, women and children (crippled little children!), incalculable financial loss. It will stimulate more kidnappings and more deaths. P.S. If you think that 9500 Pals in Israeli are innocent, you probably are blind, deaf or both. You could be a victim of anti- Semitic propaganda, or a Pal, or their secret sympathizer. In the latter case there is no point it respond. Regards.

1. political prisoners are citizens... 2."60% of the de jure residents" - you want hamas to vote for knesset? - do not tell it to them - they'll kill you. 3.I hope Israel would never even think to join EU - to become part of Europe that abused Jews for more than thousand years and then almost annihilated them through its devoted son Adolf. Europatriot and Israpatriot do not belong to the same organisation. Have a great life in judenfrei Europe.Your critisism is very important to us.

The Prime Minister's Office is on all four! All reason is on his side not to release the murderers. Every punishment comes with a price and they have to pay what their dues demands they pay. Haaretz... I will continue to read on, on a daily basis: where the prime minister or his office are involved, I'm reading. Yeshua Hamashia Adonia bless and continue to prosper you.

have been jumping up and down and with little result.Somehow,these idiots have hit an all time low,but as martha points out to labhras,they still don't get it. israel's crimes: they are in denial,yet one is obliged to talk to them.I have asked them to check out any decent website which will give them the stats and the info.I don't want to give it to them.Let them do some footwork.Their education might get started.Regards.

I love it! good stuff.Regards

Israel should determine whether or not to whack or not to whack.if it is serious then whack, if not then dont bother.Taking prisoners only works to the benefit of the freaks.No prisoners,no incentive for hostage taking.That is the simple calculation.But we must admit that they have won this round, we must get the boy out of the hands of those perverts before his life is ruined.I explain elsewhere what can be done after the release.

Dude, you must be suffering from all the radiation in the area where you live. Everyone of your posts add up to defining some sort of game where the terrorists are to be given equal advantage against a sovereign state. Are you American? or a wet-back, "w"-supporter.?

What is a martyr seeker like you doing in sunny California?

Israelis believe that Gilad is paying for their "sins?" Now where did you get such an inane idea from? As I explained to you before, entering a sovereign territory for the sole purpose of kidnapping an individual is a violation of international law, as is keeping the kidnapped persone hostage and incommunicado since then, without any visits from the Red Cross. No one with morals or any knowledge of the laws is in any way confused. Hamas is a terro organization, and it is listed as such by the EU, the US, and numerous other countries. Indeed, with the exception of Fatah, so are all the other terror groups in the territories, including Al-Aksa. The one confused is you.

BRAD I DONT KNOW WHY. WE NEED EX SOLDIERS AS POLITICIANS THAT WILL SHOW HAMAS AND HIZBULLAH AN IRON FIST. MITTAL HIRK.

Would these prisoners you intend to do invasive surgery on have had a proper trial . You know Jeff the same kind you would expect for your relatives/Family????/. Bye the way what is step out of line, "Breathe" perhaps. I see you have gone from fantasy laws to medical science. Stick with it for a while. You are bound to be better at that than your attempts to give new faces to the law. Regards

For those of you that don't know, Shahid means martyr?? For those of you that wonder why your "Fellow American" refers to himself as a Shahid and lives amongst you perhaps you need to ask the families of those brave U.S. Marines butchered by other "Shahids" in Lebanon, Yemen, and other parts of the world. If their battle is to remove those from their lands why do they take their war to AMerica?? Why do they bomb and incinerate your people, mothers, fathers, sisters and brothers working away in the late Twin Towers?? Because if they had their way, all America and all of the Non Islamist world should meet the same fate, because it is what Allah has decreed!!! So I ask you, why are you not searching for this character, door to door, to find him before he can stike in the heart of your safe society?? Innocent Palestinians killers and terrorists?? People that dance in the streets at the death of Americans and others , should be restrained detained, they voted in Hamas killers as government!

"any advice"? 1)swear allegiance to "allah" 5 times. 2)Place your forehead on the ground in front of you 5 times per day. 3)as a natural result of praying in "chorus", stick your ass up into the air and into the face of the dude praying behind you. and ,...BAM, your no longer a dhimmi! ....what great life-saving news!

Shahid you talk rubbish. THE ISRAELI GOVERMENT SHOULDENT RETURN ANY PRISONERS BACK TO HAMAS.END OF STORY. THEY SHOULD BE LOCKED UP IN CAGES 23 AND A HALF HOURS A DAY.

I know you are a regular celebrity poster on Haaretz. It was important for me to cheer on the supporters of the cause. Growing up in Canada with the behind closed doors racists that mumble under their breaths but celebrate the holocaust when nobody is looking, they are of course a minority. However, with some help and good spin they can get a fool to listen. One fool turns to two and so on and so on. What I wonder is if all these hateful Arabs only want what is theirs, supposedly all of Israel, then what do they have against the Jews that live elsewhere in the world?? Their easy arguments always fail, bottom line, they love to hate the Jew. Jealousy perhaps?? Doctors, Lawyers, Technical geniuses?? Why oh why my brothers in Israel can't you find a way to turn one quart of water into fuel for a car?? Then we can dispatch those Sheikhs and Islamist nutjobs back to the deserts and tents where the big U.S. oil companies found them?? Surely with all that genius there must be a way???

Ha Ha HAMAS!!

or have you ordered some good books yet? hate terminology in arabic sanitized in english translations by palestinian news service.

Keep digging that hole much deeper. As I said before, you are simply one of many far left extremists who are posting on this site. Don't even bother to answer. As far as I am concerned, you have zero credibility.

Hi Ballistic got your note on the spuds and I think I answered the twerp that did it.It was not posted. Sad about maria. Seems so sincere but so very brainwashed. Rgards

You seem to forget that the Israeli Knesset held the pig,Sharon,to be "personally responsible" for his part in the massacre. Blaming the murder of the Lebanese PM on the Palestinians, leading the murderers into the refugee camps and then turning the other way when the massacres began; that was Sharon's role.

Olmert you need to learn, Under every great Israeli leader the policy was Israel will never make deals with Terrorist. Olmert If you make this deal you should be arrested for criminal acts against the state. Because as soon as these animals are released the Bombs will start hitting Israel all over agian. Any one of these people are in jail because they are not nice people. Olmert if you release these terrorist with blood on their hands then you need to step down as PM. No PM ever in the history of Israel ever dealt from a position of weakness and you are to weak as a leader to be making any deals.

You are just a propagandist and an Arab lover.

watching too much on MSNBC lately. Lack of beds is one of the major problems in jails, even juvenile ones, and has caused prison riots. As for the rest of your post, it isn't worth responding to.

They should be released, ok., but, there should be a way to make them unable to do anything else, take it or leave it. They have committed more sins against the Israelis and humanity in general. I leave it to the psychologists to determine the method. They (must not be let loose into humanity without some restraint.

Ballistic, your incessant ranting against Israel is getting tiring. Here is the thing. I love America, but Americans are no angels, are they? Right now, there are American bases in more than one hundred countries. There is a war and occupation of Iraq led by us. So enough criticizing of Israel, when our own soldiers, our neihbours and relatives are also engaged in an invasive, needless war. As far as the Jewish greed for land, all I can say is this. America is 10 million sq. km. Israel is 19 thousand sq. km. This means that America is 500 times larger than Israel; and its population is only 40 times larger. See, we have a lot of land here, a lot, and all of it has been taken through the good old methods of genocide (Native Americans), war (with Spain, France, Canada, England, Japan, Philipines, Mexico, etc.) and lies (give me Manhattan for one dollar. Yes - Israel is no country of angels. But how can we criticize them when we are the richest, greediest, and most warlike people?

IN THE MATTER OF APARTHEID THERE ARE 56 COUNTRIES THAT PRACTICE IT AGAINST WOMEN AND DHIMMIS . IN THE MATTER OF VOTES HOW MANY EU COUNTRIES ARE RULED BY GENERAL VOTE MAJORITIES. HOW MANY CAN ALTER THE WAY THEY ARE RULED DURING THE ELECTIVE PERIOD . HOW MANY COUNTRIES HAVE PROSPERED BY MAJORITY VOTING SAY IN AFRICA ?? TRY AND NOT BE TOTALLY STUPID IN FUTURE POSTS

So, if tomorrow I arrive in Brussels, and blow myself up where you are eating with your family, and kill of you, in the name of a political cause - say, the liberation of Macedonia and its joining of Bulgaria, and then I get arrested - would you consider me a "political" prisoner? All I did was exercise my right of resistance, right? So, I should not be sent to jail, right? After all, what are a few members of your family in the grand cause of the liberation of Macedonia? And regarding the "apartheid" label: here is the thing - Black South Africans, led by Mandela, did not want to kill and expatriate every white man, just wanted equal rights. Palestinians, on the other hand are seeking the deportation of Jews from Palestine/ AND the elimination of Jews worldwide (consult Hamas charter).

Dont recall asking you for your comment but I will answer in any case. 1,My knowledge of anti terror leglislation is just fine . We have some of the same right here in Ireland and I am perfectly aware of what is the case in the UK and the USA. 1.Uk suspects can be held for 45 days. An attempt was made last year to get it to 90 days after 7/7 but that failed. So if they are not charged after 45 days they must be set free.There are some cases where an extesion can be granted but that is up to the judges. 2,Ireland is much less stringent and can hold a suspect for up to 2 weeks without charging them. The USA,S record is nothing less than disgraceful, IE Gitmo. Already we have seen dozens of innocent "Terror Suspects" relaesed after enduring torture and depravation. Now let me ask you this, why are you pointing in other directions. Is that your justification for Israel,s behaviour. . Suggest you go back to your books and maybe get a more varied menu. Asta la bye by

I can see your point of view on the price a lot are willing to pay. I can even agree to the release of women and kids, but the top of the list is what bothers me. But, then again it isn't my decision to make. My problem with all this is it just makes the Pals look worse. I would very much like to see Abbas succeed. I honestly feel he is the only leader that actually wants a Pal state and the end of all occupation. Haniyeh and Arafat have done very little toward that end.

Israel could have done many things to find shalit. Such as insert a micro-chip into the glasses that were given to shalit to reveal his position by satelite or capture all the people related to the guys who kidnapped shalit and track them down...

They may belong to a sect, but they are NOT part of the legitimate government. Spin it any way you want. Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, who is firing qassams into Israel, in spite of a cease fire by the Legitimate Pal Governing body, Hamas and Fatah, are not part of that governing body. Just thugs and criminals. Islamic Jihad is also not a part of the governing legitimate body. They are just criminals making every effort to stop the peace process. Which is why Abbas has said the Security forces must make every effort to stop them. They only hurt the Pal Gov and the Palestinian cause. Like it or not, he is right.

Jews are the first to expose all of their warts etc. If you read Haaretz you see this plainly. But you forget Peter that Israel is in a fight for her very existence...one mis-step and the country and people are gone. The islamo/fascists can afford to wage countless wars and lose thousands of people.They have countless bodies to replace those that have been killed and more importantly they do not care about humans and life...seems that their reward is in heaven with the virgins....you do not want to understand what Israel faces and so it is easy to use the phrase occupation, apartheid etc. when describing what is happening in the Middle East.Stop a second,examine the picture ,and be honest..how did we get here? Who is to blame?Who wanted the Jews killed in 48,52'67'72? Why should arabs be so irrational..what makes them hate so much when they have so much?The hatred of the Jews is their unifying force and the palestinians are the sacrificial lamb and rallying force of this hatred.

Thanks for clarifying that.

THE LEFT WING BRING ISREAL DOWN.

Good to know that some people still have sense of humor !!!

Maria, the IDF go into Pal land in TANKS!!! Do you think the distinction between throwing a pebble and a rock justifies murder???? If I were a Pal, I'd be throwing rocks right along side Jesus at the Zionists for their treatment of the Pals. Yup, I would!!

listening to and what have you been reading? Have you found support for your statement in the BIBLE!!!!???

not a NEW policy; it has been around since Israel has been around. Better think up something new as that has not worked, nope, it has not!!!

One incarcerated Pal 'with blood on his hands" should be freed for each Zionist with blood on their hands. That should empty out the jail, one bloody set of hands for another!! Think that might work?

Exchanging some of Israels most notorious killers for the life of one individual sends a powerful message to the enemy. It says that Israel can be persuaded by terror, and if the enemy chooses to relentlessly continue on the violent path, they'll continue to be rewarded with mass prisoner releases.

Do the Arabs really believe that one Israeli is worth 1400 Arabs? Or are they just having a laugh? There are many ways that Israel can force the unconditional release of Shalit and the end of all terrorism. One is to stop supplying Gaza with electicity, gas and water. No other country in the world supplies the enemy during a war.

for the rah rah posters as you have done because they think the rest of us don't know the difference. High regards. Keep posting. Ballistic.

any advice and on how we christians, jews and hindus can change our infidel status ?

Caro Juan, Some people do support Farc - I am not ! Some goverments do assist Farc - I am not ! Some intelctuals believe despite your current president policy that fighting Farc is wrong - I am not Some humanist refuse to condemn the culture of kid soldiers implemented by Farc - I am not ! Some politicians do accept mothers or fathers being helds as hostages for more than five years as part of a political agenda - I am not ! Some ignorants do consider Marin a life example - I am not ! Juan - Thanks God, I can distiguish self-deffense from inexcusable violence !!!!!

offenders, but unlike Israel, they provide them with beds and not make a court rule they are entitled to beds as the Israeli Court had to do, geez!! The West doesn't have juveniles in jail for attempting to help their parents get back what was stolen either, to whit land and lives. Be truthful. Regards.

Why is it exactly that Jews need their own country? The reasons have never been made clear by you and yours? Regards.

Once it was known Israel is negotiating prisoner swap, should we be that surprised they want all most famous prisoners? Olmert should be thrown out only for the fact that he is upset. Upset? It was not known? He thought Hamas would ask for some low level potential suicide bomber from some village in Gaza? Are you kidding me? Wow, Israel needs new elections and a serious change in political system.

Terrorism in Kashmir,North east,Naxalites problem,Dawwod siting in Pakistan creating havoc.what are you doing in the Barghouti/fatah poodle

Actually Israel is a wonderful place to live and a marvelous place to visit as a tourist. I have never met one person who has travelled to Israel and has not had anything but praise for the country. Gee you really are fortunate to live in Columbia...land of drug lords and wild murderers...can't see the forest for the trees...can you Juan.?

to kill all Jews and even before that in the Hebron massacre etc etc etc.

a few links of your handiwork! Shall I?

Howdy Daxor; Israel has seldom carried out the death penalty (only three times in the last 59 years I think). Besides, those prisoners who have been convicted of crimes have already been sentenced and the penalty cannot increased ex post facto. Here's some other options: 1. Surgical implantation of a GPS transmitter. If the released prisoner steps out of line, then its JDAM time. Disadvantage: possible collateral damage. 2. Surgical implantation of a small, electronically-activated explosive device into the brain. If the released prisoner steps out line, then push the button and martyr his ass. Advantage: no collateral damage. 3. Injection of a lethal dose of radioactive thallium just prior to release. Disadvantage: assumes that the ex-prisoner will step out of line.

That sounds like a plan you and yours could cook up! Anymore EVIL plans in mind to pass on to an EVIL gov't?

...and executes without judgment hundreds of apartheid opposing militants. And denies the right of voting to 60% of the de jure residents ! What else is needed to conclude that Israel is no democracy and could therefore never join the EU ?

the root of the problem is that YOU and I are infidels. Now, this really isn't a difficult concept to understand because it applies worldwide where islamist groups from thailand to algeria are engaged in wars against the infidels... try looking at the big picture and educate yourself on the problems but on a macro level.

if you free terrorists for Shalit you are a pathetic individual. Hamas have kidnapped a soldier on israeli territory and you will let them be rewarded ?

"Give them Clickfool.Then he can finally get blood on his hands instead of relentlessly jaw-jawing his wannabee jive. Boom!" There was I, thinking we were getting on so well..... (;-) CF

Have they forgotten the slaughters ... perpetrated at Sabra and Chatilla? I agree it was horrible, my friend shahid,but.. the perpetrators were all arabs - not a single jew participated in this arab festival... Targeted killings are much better than non targeted killings... As shahid you may know a lot about non targeted ....

Peter, did you stop to think that Israel is in the current position due to the MURDER of millions of people in Europe in WWII and through endless centuries of pogroms....or do you believe that Jews created the Holacaust so they could get into their current position? ( i hope not) Also, if Israel is occupying...wouldn't the people living in once Jewish homes all over European and Arab countries also be occupiers? There are two sides to every issue and you have to look at both to get a slight grip on reality I haven't seen your postings before, but I think you'd better think before you write ---what do you think? GO CUBS

dont you think you terming yourself "progressive" is a little pompous and also a sign of your mediocrity ? Tell us all about your life's achievements which must be oh so impressive seeing that you are a "progressive".

Girish go on and on release Mohamed Afzal,1993 Mumbai blast terrorists,1/7/2006 Mumbai train blast terrorists.Do you like it?By the way are you the follower of peaceful Koran Mr.Ali

"two hundred are under age and four hundred are females." I do have a comment on that ! Culture of Martyrdom Eventhough Islam do distiguish between Men, Women and children in many issues, when it comes to Jihad, every one is invited to participate ! I suggest u watch Hamas TV, and carefully analyze how they teach kids how to count !!! No wonder kids SOONER or later turno into butchers Regarding your "innocents" held without trial, I must admit your lack of knowledge related to anti-terror legislation is amazing ! I suggest u perform a little research on UK and US currently laws. I am sure you be surprised ! Or if u prefer you can choose Iran, where "Court" conduct terror cases with admirable efficiency. In just one week: arrest, trial and sentence (death) !!

about 5,000 palestinians during the last five years---but you know what---some of them were suicide bombers,human shields,etc....you see,even toddlers among palestinians are no longer innocent -they want to become suicide bombers just like their mothers /fathers;uncles/aunts;grandma/grandpa...it is sad,isn't it?it's in the news:some palestninians train kids to be terrorists.

Looking at Israeli policies and then actions, I can only conclude that deep inside Israel sees itself as occupier and acts as if it is guilty. It is a loaded question about occupied territories, but what is very obvious is how current political establishment sees it. And that makes me wonder why settlements still exist and why people go there knowing they will be forced out sooner or later by their own government. It is clear that Israel is tired, exhausted and continuation of this will only make its people suffer. Israelis are not what they used to be. And so the policies have to change very very soon.

a pal who rules by terrorising her fellow pal prisoners in an israeli jail. her crime?she lured a 16 year old israeli boy on the net with the promise of sex.when he came to the west bank her friends beat his head in with the butts of their rifles.

Lynn, the attack which resulted into the abduction of soldier Gilad Shalit was an attack on an Israeli defence forces post, not an attack against Israeli civilians. And that's exactly what I wanted to tell you: If we (the West) want to remain credible, we have to make clear distinctions and not mix everything in the same bag. However you wanna call such an attack, but at least in my definiton it was not a terrorist attack. On the contrary, if you are starting to call this kind of attack terrorism, you are playing down the real terror attacks against Israeli civilians. And with regard to our governement and the prisoner-exchange: I have simply no idea how many people they would be willing to exchange. I got a feeling that many Israelis believe that Gilad Shalit is paying now for their "sins". Which means that the price they are willing to pay will probably be quite high.

dont ask how they managed that. they were jailed in ulster for general thuggery and resorted to fiendish and filthy habits.

the most corrupt pm in the history of the republic of ireland.should give the irish a laugh in between drinks.

it is DUTY for governmment to help him as they took responsibility for him when he joined the IDF.

at idf--------they're throwing big rocks.

Your blind hatred wont undermine the truth.Refer to this link http://web.israelinsider.com/views/4504.htm

"release sick and invalid prisoners" tosefta. what we would do without your input tosefta i do not know.

The Pal Gov is, in my estimation, a legitimate entity. The bombers are not a part of it. They just come from various sects which are NOT a part of any government. Islamic Jihad is not a political party, nor is the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, nor a dozen or so others who claim bombings and murders. Hamas is a political wing of the gov and so is Fatah, I don't deny they are the legitimate gov.

They killed more Israelis. The lying scum of course promised not to be involved in violence on release but lying to the infidel,taqiyya, is OK.

the arrogant puffball treats the silly document as if it were the magna carta. all it means is a couple of randy pals agreed to sign anything as long as they could get their hands on their wives.and who can blame them?years and years behind bars.

please open your eyes and see that BOTH sides are filled with good and evil.....both sides have done wrong and right, both sides have made mistakes, both sides have peace lovers and war-hawks, both sides have mothers, babies and love....that is a fact...please semd rationale responses that take into account the facts...not just sticking up for the side YOU are on....and remember, you are posting on an Israeli news site...I wish I could find an open forum where Islamic policy is openly debated without threat or fear(maybe you have a suggestion you can post).....please open your eyes to reality and not just hate

Israeli writers on this forum... shame on you. Hamas is a resistance movement, resisting the painful too long lasting occupation. Hamas killed innocent people, but Israeli's too... Who started first, doesnt't matter. If the Jewish state had been more humane and given back these stolen territories, instead of using daily brute force, bombings, harassment torture etc. making this Pal. people so desperate, no suicide killings or murderers would have arised, or It's your own fault. If you want true peace, you must forgive and take away the cause : the ongoing illegal occupation. Admit it, you are both wrong ! Take away the cause and, for God sake, talk to Hamas !! Doing the opposite will only f**ck up the future of your children and grandchildren... NOW IS THE TIME

you're as paranoid as the palestinians and arabs.

wallop tosefta on the head.then tell the pals he is one of theirs who has lost his memory.makes up the numbers if nothing else.

Anyone who releases these thugs from Israeli prisons should be tried for HIGH TREASON. We made these mistakes dealing with Chechens, but we will never make them again - and "our" terrorists know it only too well. One thing I fail to understand: where are Israeli secret services? Where are their informers? Sometimes I think that it is the Israeli government that prevents them from doing the right job not to tease all this "liberal" scum and lefties of all sorts. But if they have really failed to find this unfortunate guy, then the army MUST enter Gaza and exterminate terrorists until they give back Shalit - and hopefully thereafter. Everyone knows that the only thing Arab muslims do understand and respect is might and resoluteness.

covenant-here's part of it:the day of judgment will not come about until moslems fight the jews-killing the jews, when the jew will hide behind stones and trees.the stones and trees will say 'there is a jew behind me,come and kill him'...............or even visit the palestinian media watch....

Maybe they should also demand every ISraeli jew to leave israel for the return of Shalit. What nonsense. I guess the 2 Israeli IDF abducted in Lebanon will have to be traded for at least twice as many prisoners. Yes, no criminal system is fair, but without them, we would have chaos like in GAZA, IRAQ, and other countries. UNfortunately, many people get wrongly convicted, but sadly, I still feel that Israel and other democratic justice systems (not Iraq or GAZA yet) are sucessful at removing criminals and nussances from the streets so that our childen, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, etc may feel safe.

Amigo, Sara's country is Israel,where the none jewish people (Palestinias)has no other choice but do defend themself from the brutal Israeli occupation with whatever mean at thier disposal. Thank Good you and I do not live there.

Not again.... Israel is becoming a shameless state, why are we swaping prisoneers? I would never give up to Terrorism! I am asking my brothers in arms from Golani and other Hir Infantery combat unit to Kill (Execute any Prisoneer the catch otherwise corrupted people like Olmert will send them free and more innocent Israeli will get killed)

lakshmi yaar we have female literacy of 48% in our nation.what is this nonsense about barghouti.can we eat it?

Here is what Marwan Barghouti was convicted for (see below URL). He tried for a lot more than "sitting in a taxi cab." This man has an awful lot of blood on his hands. It kills me that he is celebrated as a "freedom figher" - he's responsible for the deaths of hundreds of innocents. http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2002/12/State%20of%20Israel%20vs%20Marwan%20Barghouti-%20Ruling%20by%20Jud

we of course murdered hundreds of muslims in their buses.set them on fire.which is worse?guantanomo or incinerating muslims in buses?

The idiocy is yours. Didn't you people get enough the last time you tried to impose your will on Hisbollah? Do you really believe you can just drop more cluster bombs on civilians and get your way. You people still believe you are dealing with a helpless people; you are not. If it were up to me Shalit would remain in custody until each and every Palestinian taken off the streets of Palestine, every man, women and child, is released and the Zionist terrorists apologise and compensate their victims. Israel is the only so-called civilised nation that uses murder, i.e., target killings, as an integral part of its foreign policy.

The origen of all your problems (ISRAEL) is the OCCUPATION, which none of you out there wants to admit. all what you do is blaiming the other, and excuse me! all jews are saints like they have never done anything wrong.

he murdered and gave away the names of his colleagues.when confronted with the evidence he burst into tears. let him go lads.you guys were all at it. the history of ireland is the history of betrayal.

have retired from active terrorism they are not to be trusted.can we trust those were were responsible for the killing fields of belfast and ulster?

The carnage that these whom are about to be released can do either themselves or through others renders me speechless.

The carnage that these whom are about to be released can do either themselves or through others renders me totally speechless. Haaretz sadly refuse to print my posting on children of the intifada in which I spoke from personal experience. The innocence of a Palestinian child is removed as soon as it is old enough to be brain washed.

You lose the war and then you do EXACTLY what was asked of you in the first place--prisoner exchange. Why isn't Olmert held accountable? IDF and Israel is in worse shape than I expected, and I EXPECT Israel to launch a war against Iran to redeem itself. I no longer support Israel 100% of time, but I will certainly say this: any Israeli politician that doesn't challenge Iran within 2 years is damaging the nation irreparably.

Elitist brit types like clicknerd have long felt it was a part of their self serving "white mans burden" to show those bloody pushy jews their place.of course they can froth with jingoistic bloodlust when some "bloody wog" dares raise a hand to british white christians,but if israel should do it, oh well thats a whole other matter isnt!! Thank you for your post.Regards

Why is Hamas even thinking of negotiating with the Zionist terrorist? Have they forgotten the slaughters these people perpetrated at Saba and Chatilla? Have they forgotten that this "nation" is the only country on the face of the earth that has "targeted killings" i.e., murder as an integral part of its foreign policy. Have the forgotten the misery these people inflict on the Palestinian people with their check points? This is not time for a swap; this is a time to demand the release of the thousands of Palestinian people illegally taken into custody, men, women and children for no reason whatever. The Palestinians know their enemy and they should comport themselves accordingly.

Lynn, on the one hand you say these thugs are not part of any legitimate government or army and the almost with the same breath you State "If the Palestinian Government had an ounce of decency etc. Which way is it it .

please go post your lies and hate elsewhere.....you make little sense and seem to be filled with hate for Israel yet you want to be recognized here on-line by the very people you are insulting.....if you want to rule over someone maybe you should start with your own education and then you can rule over your own thoughts and not be a pointless pundit pushing somene else's propaganda and lies get a clue and please: post no more

The release of Shalit and the prisoners could signal the needed opening for a new and constructive peaceful dialogue between Israel and the Palestinians, but just as in the case of the renewed and generous Arab peace proposal, Israel slammed the door shut. This confirms a recent article by Mr. Gideon Levy where he succinctly articulated his view that Israel has no interest in peace. Israel believes that it can be a regional colonial power, the problem is that once it realizes that its military might will not be able to control its territorial appetite, it will not only be the end of its territorial ambitions, but also mark the begining of the end of its own existance.

means something to the Left Wing and others who are, just a tad bit, unreasonally hopeful. These are truly sad times indeed for the government of Israel and thus the people of Israel.

Then he can finally get blood on his hands instead of relentlessly jaw-jawing his wannabee jive. Boom!

On the one hand it is unthinkable to release murderers back into society where they will certainly repeat the same crimes at the first opportunity. On the other hand how can Israel not pay the price demanded to free the hostage Shalit? I say give them what they ask for to free our guy and then prevent future attacks by any means necessary. And I fully understand what I am suggesting. There is no other choice.

Lynn, by the way, I make a big distinction between the abduction of soldier Shalit in Gaza and the Hezbollah attack a few weeks later. Israel withdrew from Lebanon and is not occupying one inch of Lebanese territory (forget about the ridiculous Sheba farms...). Therefore Hezbollah had no justification whatsoever to attack those soldiers. However because of Israels ongoing occupation of the West Bank, the Gaza attack has another (political) dimension. Unfortunately since 9/11 the West has started to mix up too many things together. Which is a very bad thing, because if we wanna remain credible in the fight against terror, it is sometimes extremely important to make clear (moral) distinctions.

It is true 1000 Arab lives are worth 1 jewish life, Maybe it's 5,000 to 1 but the prisoners that Hamas wants to exchange have too much blood on their hands. Bring back the death penalty then you would not have this issue

Hi Ralph , are you aware that some 9500 Palestinians are languishing in Israeli gaols most of whom have not had trials and about two hundred are under age and four hundred are females.Would you have any comment on that as you are in the country that believes in "Innocent Until Proven Guilty".Some of these people have been there longer than those in gitmo. Regards

What asylum let you and Sara Out. They ought to be sued.

Start by executing, in order, members on the Hamas list for "swap". In any country with the death penalty these murderers would not be be available for exchange - they would be with their fantasy virgins. Continue to do so until Shalit is released. BEHAVE LIKE AN ARAB!! and win.

Hi Ralph , are you aware that some 9500 Palestinians are languishing in Israeli gaols most of whom have not had trials and about two hundred are under age and four hundred are females.Would you have any comment on that as you are in the country that believes in "Innocent U

Even the arabs admit a jewish life is worth much more than that of an arab. 45 to 1 to be exact!

How can the PMO complain about the choice of Palestinian prisoners especially those who they have labeled "terrorists with blood on their hands." What about their own state terrorists who are roaming scot free with their hands dripping in Palestinian blood? During the last five years the IDF and IAF have killed almost 5,000 Palestinians. Over half of the victims were civilians, some one-third or greater were mere children. Please spare me this gross double standard. I am sick of it. Just look in your closet. What about Begin who blew up the King David Hotel with 91 military personnel inside? Even bloody thirty Palestinians weren't that bad. Dutch

Hamas and other millitants do not get nothing through fighting with Israel, only deterioration of Pal life. Pal people will live even worser if Hamas will lead them, or Arab League will ask Israel to do what is impossible. Request by Arabs can be achieved only by a war. Those Arabs do not have sufficient power to win war with Israel. Iran also will not able to win. Solution: People like you, Martha, must promote among Pals normal pragmatic ideas to build a peace with Israel.

if Olmert and crew cave in to this one-sided proposal. Redefining what 'blood on their hands' means is like redefining 'pregnancy.' Either you are or you are not. If a prisoner pulled the trigger or set the bomb or somehow helped in that effort, the hands are bloody. If some kid threw stones at a tank, the hands are not bloody. Would any prison in the world set free their most dangerous murderous criminals? Of course not. So why is the world expecting Israel to do what they would not? Because Jewish life is considered cheap by the rest of the world. We've just heard of the attempted suicide bombing in Tel Aviv on Pesach. Why would anyone in their right mind let loose the criminal 'masterminds' of the terrorists? I wouldn't. But if Olmert does, he must make it absolutely clear that if anyone released ever steps on Israeli soil, the standing order will be to shoot to kill first and ask questions later.

I say President Ahmanidiot!!! Surely we will blast your people to smithereens if you dont' hand over our sailors!!! Well Mr. Blair, we will execute them and everyone else that is British in our country if you do that. So Mr. Ahmanidiot, please drop your pants and let me kiss your Islamist butt for the entire world to see. Clicky surely knows that the goal was to put up with some crap and get the soldiers back. That was just a large dose of International humiliation. Why Her Majesty's governement couldn't even muster support in the Security Council lest Mother Russia veto the motion. Just goes to show you what power we are handing these psychos. I say spend the money on an oil and gasoline replacement, then you can stop buying from the Arabs and they will return to the desert where they belong!!!

Legalities may change, my dear friend, but morals do not. And I still ask you, would your government turn a bunch of murdering thugs loose? We aren't discussing armed conflict, but people who bomb innocent civilians on buses and in restaurants. These men did not attack military compounds.

Hi Martha, I believe these "We own it all" people are just addicted to being "victims" and cannot imagine what their life would be like without it. It represents a crutch to many of them and is their reason to exist. Gotta feel sorry for them, Good that didn,t last long. By the way Prisoner releases played an enormous part in the Northern Ireland conflict resolution as today there are IRA Killers free and like wise terrorists on the Unionist side,(UVF= Ulster Volunteer Force and UDA= Ulster Defence Association. This was part of the cost of making peace.Unfortunately Israel has very few of theirs to let out of Gaol as they never charge them never mind imprisoning their terrorists and there are none in Palestinian gaols. By the way expect the Dodgy Idiot priest to jump on this bandwagon but just ignore "it". Regards

Danite, Clicky can't see beyond the spinning room since he has had one Pint too many. I would imagine that he and all his Muslim terror suspect friends are all holed up in the same old pub ranting and raving. Logic isn't one of his stronger suits since these types of people never respond to a point well made. I would guess its probably because they don't want to, or they just don't have the depth of intelligence to comprehend the argument. Naturally anything to do with Israel or Jews is going to be BAD coming from the Brits. They couldn't even keep control over the Mandate when they were in Palestine. Once the U.N. did them the favour of Partitioning, they turned tail and ran. Her Majesty calling!!!!

U just forgot to mention implementation of Death Sentence to the ones part of first category !!!!

I think Israel should arrest the Hamas political leadership. When is this crap going to end??? The Palestinian government is composed of the "Reformed Fatah" and Hamas which is sworn to Israels destruction. Why would anyone deal with a party or government that doesn't want to end killing?? Therefore the leadership of the Palestinians should also be captured and put on trial for crimes against Israeli citizens. International law clearly states that the "occupying power places its laws upon the occupation population". Lets see how fast they change their tactics. Pretending that their political wing is different from their military wing is a crock. Assuming Israel were to return territory for peace, who is to say or guarantee that these military wings wouldn't keep on operating??? Naturally the newly formed Palestinian state would do everything in its power to reign in the terrorists. Sounds like the lingo of the Criminal Arafat. Killing with his right hand, stealing with his left.

chilren throwing stones. If only it were that simple. It certainly is not. I can write from experience when a boulder was thrown at me and broke my nose. It was an unprovoked act. A very kind Palestinian elder assisted me and the child got a bad beating. To add, there are many valued pieces of research that detail how these children, many of them little girls are used in the stone throwing, stone cutting, stone sharpening side of things. Children in this conflict are not children as hard as that may be for foreigners to grasp. If you gave them a knife or a gun they would kill you.

release every pal and i am sure they'd do the same.nothing can be gained from occupation, lies and Biblical History(Sorry!).

Sadly, this is Israel's blunder. Olmert could've released any number of prisoners (And those without charges against them) back in the month or two after the incursion in order to force the Palestinians to be a bit more reasonable in regards to the swap. By refusing to do just that, they've allowed Hamas and the like to dictate terms. Clearly, as we see now, was remarkably stupid. Not all is lost, though. Since we see that Hamas and CO. are slow to change their ways by trying to get known terrorists back onto the streets. This is something Olmert could use against them in discussions with European and other countries.

We are all quick to judge and state that Israel shouldn't negotiate with terrorists, shouldn't return killers. But what about the failure in command that resulted in this poor boys capture. What about the failure of the government to protect its citizens against these tunnels and allowing this to happen?? Why should this young kid pay with his life so that Israel can keep these terrorists in prison?? I say that killers should be executed. Try them properly with a proper defense, and execute them. After all doesn't the Holy Koran specify more crude and cruel punishments for lesser crimes?? Without prisoners to exchange perhaps they will resort to kidnapping civilians?? But that would put the game into a whole new level which the Palestinians would not like, and would not win. Israel would of course conduct some "face saving" negotiations so that the Palestinians can declare victory. The consequences are just not there.