PM defends Arab MKs after Lieberman calls for execution

Political Correctness will be the death of us all.

Believe it or not, "Justice," the Arab MK's are in parliament because they were elected in democratic elections by an electorate that constitutes about 17% of the country's population. What would you do, deny the Arabs their right to vote? That would be the first stage, wouldn't it, "Justice?" The next stage would be to deny the lefies their right to vote, isn't that right, "Justice?" And then the centrists. And the moderate right (if such exists). And then ... you'd be left with the far right, isn't that right, "Justice."

Your definition of collaboration is quite twisted...but then bias is bias...I think Hamas is an enemy of Israel and collaborating in any way shape or form with the enemy can be define as an act of treason. You very well know that the arabs and the moslems at large want Israel to be wiped out from the face of the earth and you are so upset because so far, they failed. In the mean time, keep twisting the truth and reality.

Mr Lieberman is at least honest, sincere and expresses the views of the 1rst 2nd 3rd and 4rth Isreali. Mr Olmert is a refined politician who behaves like Lieberman but talks like Ghandi. I prefer Mr lieberman.

This is of course as opposed to Hamas who won 70% of the vote.... So I guess they are the mainstream of the Palestinians. Yes, you were right democracy is impressive. Should let people know the reality of people's views.

Yes so mainstream he got less than 6% of the vote or less than the arab MKs got. Or do the Arab MKs represent the mainer stream of Israel. Nice thing about proportional representation, you get to know exactly how many people voted for you and even someone as obviously prejudiced as you can look up the facts - of course if you did so, your argument wouldn't stand up, so better to stay untainted by the truth.

Firstly, Israel DOES have the death penalty - Eichman ring a bell. As for assasinations, is there any hint that their targets are "innocent" or not "active militants", that under any reasonable criteria they would be guilty? Not even their respective groups claim they are innocent. Maybe we should send the IDF in force to get these people and maybe when soldiers arrive they will put up their hands and surrender to avoid damage and collateral deaths just like they did in Jenin. This is war, "arresting" people makes as much sense as "arresting" germans would have made in the second world war. Palestinians don't like it they only need to stop fighting.

Meir is absolutely right. The arab MKs must be loyal to Israel.

Liberman is the kind os psychpath who deems the Holocaust a liscence for his "Zionazi" tendencies. I hope that neither Israelis nor Palestinians-- nor even Liberman himself-- come to suffer on his account. There is a good side to all and Liberman will do better if he takes him meds on time.

Benedict Arnold was not executed-- he served as a British general, and lived out his days in Britain.

lucky lieberman that came from russia running away from communist ans was accepted by his brothers jews. different from palestinians that fled in 1948 and were not accepted by their arabs "brothers"(with brothers like that, they dont need enemies!) if israel is facist from treating non-jews differently, what about jordan, where jews can NOT be even citizens. saudi arabia where only muslims can put the feet in. iraq where someone to merry an iraqui woman MUST be muslim. jews are chosen people not by the bible, but by the other. they were chosen to be persecuted, hated, suffering genocide, pogroms in russia , anti-semitism everywhere. they have the right to protect their state. by the way, what do you tell me about Haj amim al-husseini, mufti of jerusalem and uncle of arafat, who went to visit HITLER and show the support of the arabs of palestine.

From what you say, hamas, the taliban, al qaeda? are pure democracies.

I think you need to have more respect for yourself and read a real history book for a change.

You silly man. I can lend you a dictionary if you want.

What will be the immigration policies of an independant Palestine? Will you take thousands of black muslims from Darfur the way Israel took in thousands of Ethiopian Jews?If not why?You are Arabs are the worlds biggest racists.At least the Jews love their own unlike you guys who hate everybody including yourselves.

And the Arab world is showing all the signs of the beast, and demonic possesion dont you think?

Nor was Jabotinsky and Betar.

Another glowing example of the Revolution, is the way the Soviets succeeded in ripping out the Jewish souls of Russian Jews and replacing them with that of a thuggish vodka swilling dumbell.This is the Soviet New Man in action.The primitve nature of many Russsian Jews is shocking,the way they transport that Russian hatred of "Asiatics" is atrocious.I think they need some re education in Ahavat Zion, Ahavat Achim and general concepts of democracy and tolerance.What trash!

You think Russians are in your pocket and you can paternalized them like two-year olds? You will be surprized, idiots!

Dear NTI, if you really delivered "a little on islamic history" as you promissed in the title of your post (especially if that had something to do with the subject of this forum), the readers would find at least something to argue with. Let me remind you that the chief sephardi rabbi of Israel (!) called Arabs "snakes", and not once, for which he drew only slight criticism of some lefties in Israel. Any reaction from your side? Any objection on the basis of zoological genealogy which you are trying to sell here as "Islamic history"?

AND FOR THIS THEY CAN BE TRIED FOR TREASON!! WAKE UP AM YISRAEL AND SMELL THE ROSES!!!!

MK's MP's Congressmen etc, they are individuals who have been democratically elected, and represent a group of people who share similar or common ethical, political, religious or idiological believes within a society. Israel is made up of Jews and Arabs, and those such as Liberman who advocate executing these representatives are actually and in reality and indirectly promoting genocide against those whom they represent. Lieberman should be put in prison for inciting ethnic cleansing and genocide.

There is no difference between the rhetoric of Lieberman and that of other groups that promote hatred, violence and terrorism (read here all those ranging from islamic extremists, neonazis, and passing through anarchist and other ultra-leftwing organisations). And those that support them, those of you in this forum that approve of these unacceptable and appalling comments, fall in the same category as those listed above.

Mr. Mark Lincoln claimed of having made a considerable study of Fascism. But to present your ignorance and false conclusions ,read again the following: The most notable characteristic of a fascist country is the separation and persecution or denial of equality to a specific segment of the population based upon superficial qualities or belief systems. Simply stated, a fascist government always has one class of citizens that is considered superior (good) to another (bad) based upon race, creed or origin. It is possible to be both a republic and a fascist state. The preferred class lives in a republic while the oppressed class lives in a fascist state. Fascism PROMOTES CHAUVINIST DEMAGOGY (AVIGDOR LIEBERMAN !!) Fascism is commonly defined as an open terror-based dictatorship which is: Reactionary, Chauvinistic and Imperialistic Dr. Lawrence Britt found 14-defining characteristics and warning signs to FASCISM: As of Mai 2006, the United States fulfills all fourteen points of fascism and all seven warning signs are present.. ISRAEL also fulfills all fourteen points and all seven warning signs as well.

In the USA, the definition of 'treason' is 'aiding and abetting the enemy'. Guess what they taught me in my tender elementary school years in the US is the punishment for treason ? Death. Close your eyes for a minute and try to fantasize what would happen if a few US senators would start pow-wowing with Al-Qaida in northern Pakistan. They would get blasted away together with the terrorists.

I think liberman is right because if they did talk to hamas then they might be contributing to hamases power and money to buy weapons and explosives which causes innocent people to be killed from hamases attacks..the arabs who talked to hamas should be executed if they are guilty.....

prophet mohammad is not an arab as most believed. It has been said that both Jews and Arabs are the descendants of Abraham, i.e. siblings. Any decent human will know that as siblings, one can never call the other "DESCENDANTS OF PIGS AND APES". By calling the other sibling "DESCENDANTS OF PIGS AND APES", that person, i.e. the evil prophet, is in fact telling others that he is also a "DESCENDANT OF PIGS AND APES". Therefore, any person in his right frame of mind will not do as the evil prophet did, unless of course if he is not a real sibling (a true arab). OR he is totally insane.

Your example is ridiculous but spouting "history" is one of the most boring features of these posts so I won't do it. Olmert is a shrewd cookie and has realised what some haven't, which is that Arab MKs could, just might, be a conduit towards negotiation. Israelis have been talking to Arab "enemies" of all stripes for the past 35 years.

Just read the huge no. of replies to Liebermann,s real picture of racist israel. Any human being who may read what you have spelled ,will distantiate of you and your alikes. As arab moslem ,i can say with pride that we are superior than those who believe in racism, fanatism ...inhumanity.One of the main principles of our religion is that all human beings are equal . Never try to humiliate other religions whatever they are.

Be sure!! The arabs With their brilliant brains and deeply rooted history , Wealth in under their deserts .... will win ... will win ..will win and your alikes fanatics,ignorants will be flattened !!

This is not really the same topic but if somebody could explain to me.....i could never understand the Israeli gov't stance (denial) of the Armenian genocide....even as now most of the world has come to the conclusion that there was a genocide. I know most of the public is appalled at this position. Why has the Israeli gov't denied this genocide?

To those who are blindly supporting Israel policies against Palestinians: Avigdor Lieberman was born in 1958 in the USSR and immigrated to Israel in 1978. Since he is Jewish, he was eligible for instant citizenship under Israel's Law of Return.He holds a B.A. in Social Sciences from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Founder of the Yisrael Beiteinu party and the Zionist Forum.( The Ethnic Cleansing Party). Lieberman's party stands for one thing: an Israel finally cleansed of the remainder of the indigenous Palestinian population. It was evidently not enough for Lieberman that, as a Russian-speaking immigrant fresh off the plane, he was instantaneously granted rights and privileges denied to Palestinians born in the very country to which he had just moved (not to mention those expelled in during the creation of Israel in 1948). The very presence of an indigenous non-Jewish population in Israel was, in effect, unacceptable to him. Lieberman's party believes what all Israelis believe: that Israel is a Jewish state. Since Israel has never declared its own borders, Lieberman proposes that the state's borders be drawn in such a way that Jews are placed on one side of it, and as many Arabs as possible on the other. Ethnic purity is the operative ideal. The mainstream Israeli parties: Non-Jews are not welcome, Even if they were born there. The difference between Lieberman and mainstream Israeli politicians, however, is not that they believe in cultural heterogeneity and he does not: for they are as committed to Israel's Jewishness as he is. The difference, rather, is one of degree Israel is the only country in the world that expressly claims not to be the state of its actual citizens (one fifth of whom are non-Jews), let alone that of the people whom it governs (half of whom are Palestinian). Until he was assassinated, the Israeli cabinet minister Rehavam Ze'evi used to refer to Palestinians as "lice," and compared them to a "cancer" destroying Israel from the inside. He thought that Palestinians should simply be expelled. Lieberman's solution to "the demographic problem" may seem a little less inhumane, but it is just as racist. Ze'evi and Lieberman are no more racist than mainstream politicians like Ehud Olmert. The difference is simply one of modalities

I am stunned how anyone has expertise opinion on israeli politics around the world. It's not a matter of origin, do you know what seeds of hatred they spare? What did they say when a crazy israeli killed 3 arabs? Or when another crazy man just bothered people in Nazareth? Did they collaborate to calm down or to profit from igniting? What about "cleaning the Galil from Jews votes?" It came from their mouth

If Israel could apply it's law freely, none of them would be sitting in the Knesset. Which country allows people who work for it's dissapearance to sit in the parliament? Racists like Liebermann are outlawed in serious democracies, (the French, Italians, Austrians and Russians did not, but we did it with Kahane)as they pose a risk to democracy.

Gina, you are welcome to come anytime to Egypt, which in my (biased) opinion is the most beautiful country in the world! Many, many, many Jews make the pilgimmage to the Sinai to go visit Mt. Sinai (Gabal Moussa)...the place where Moses recieved the 10 commandments. It is revered by all three religions. When I was there, I asked about how many Jews go and the tour guy said that there are many and almost always, everybody gets along really well! Thank God for inroads of peace, even if it is something as small as a simple pilgrimmage up a mountain. There have been SO many absolute false and wrong and biased and not-true statements that have been said about Arabs in just these 226 posts. I don't have time to address them all. I would refer you to the filth that 222 wrote. I hope that you will come to see that, if you or anybody else goes, we are really not that uncommon. We all just want the best for our kids, freedom, peace, and security. Shalom or as we say in arabic, Salam.

liberman probably will be next PM.

What a democrat this man is!

liberman is saying what 65% of israeli jews are thinking. all arab MK are criminals and should prosecuted. may be not hanged but thrown away for shure.

2006-05-05 Learn, learn and learn "democracy" http://inplainview.monitor.us.tt/comm.ME06.htm

This is unbelievable. If you don't think there are back-channel talks between the government and Hamas, you are a simple soul. Lots of bloody hands on both sides. Time to talk to Hamas and see if they'll deal. Time to offer a FAIR deal. Remember Oslo? Oh yeah, there's lots of you out there that hated Oslo. Too bad. You'd rather talk about Greater Israel than peace for your children. You'd rather hate Palestinians than love Israel. When it comes to compassion and justice, you're like the Islamists.

My goodness - what's all the fuss? Does anyone care that Arab Muslims are killing Arab Muslims in Iraq at the rate of 75 suicide bombings per month? Of course not! Arabs can murder anyone they want, as often as they want. The earth has stopped its rotation and the laws of physics have been suspended indefinitely, however, because an Israeli (Jewish) leader called it TREASON for so-called "Israeli Arab" MKs to go visit enemies that have sworn to destroy Israel. Help - I think I'm having a vapor.

Alriht Haaretz, I know that picttures are worth a thousand words, and I also know that you have in our archives over a thhousand pictures of Lieberman, but where did you dig this picture up from? By using this haigh contrast deeply shadowed shot, are you trying to insinuate something? Is this just art? Why did you not show a pictuure of him kissing a baby, or petting a dog or holding hands with his lovely daughter? this has nothhinng to do if I agree or diagree with the man's statements. But someone has to commennt on the obvious attempt to demmonize this man from the outset. This is shameful. As dutch would say..."shame on you, Haaretz!" You can now return to your regularly scheduled debate on heresay.

Lieberman is a disgrace to Israel. He doesn't belong here. He is vicious as any nazi and would think nothing of wanting to 'execute' anyone. He shouldn't only be banned from the government, he should be sent back where h came fron and practice his Soviet Union or Nazi there and see what happens to him. He should be locked up, but not here. We don't want to support his well-being even in prison. What a hateful, frightful and disturbing Oleh he is!!!

"I really personally like that concept,it would be great if we could bring democracy the the arabs." - Ronnie Wolman American democracy happened largely because a bunch of English came here and invented the broad middle class. The reason democracy replaced dictatorship in South Korea and Taiwan was because of the growth of a broad middle class. You want to spread democracy? Easy, give people something to lose, a decent standard of living, and then they will demand democracy to protect it.

Soon after he retired in the middle 1960s as one of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General David Shoup (Medal of Honor, Tarawa) told Congress that the United States was headed towards disaster in Vietnam. Shoup was the only of the JCS during the Vietnam war who had SERVED in China (in the 1930s) and the only one who opposed getting into Vietnam. He told Congress that the reasons we were getting into Vietnam (such as the Army's desire to gain combat experience for another generation of jr. officers, and the Johnson administrations desire to appear 'tough on communism") were wrong, His motive was to prevent a disaster for they united states. By the standards of some on this forum, he was a 'traitor'. One could easily argue the real 'traitors' were the men who pursued a totally unnecessary war in Vietnam for partisan or service advantage were the real 'traitors."

I'm not interested in an end-around are we like the arabs or not. yes/no/yes/no/yes/no We hide behind what could be, what should be. resolution this or that, occupation, rights of occupied, geneva convention. Who are we dealing with? rights are rights are rights. a quick we would have been flattened isn't enough of an answer. We hear "occupation" as the root of all ills. I want to hear what would have happened. Flattened meaning what? Palestinian state? Jordan? what would happen to occupied israel.

"I would say collaboration is a negative word,The positive side of it is co-operation." - Sassy A collaborator is someone who cooperates with an occupier or oppressor. That being said, anyone who considers any contact what so ever as "collaboration" is someone who feels that there can never be, or should be, any cooperation to the benefit of all.

Lieberman may not be politically correct, however, he spoke his mind & he's correct - a Knesset member who's an officil politician shall not be in touch with Palestinian government led by a terrorist HAMAS, especially when the State of Israel doesn't recognize it!!!

Leberman just pointed that Pals execute those arabs who collaborae with Israel, meaning they should be paid with the same token. Also, it is not clear how enemies of the state could be tolerated in the government of that state??!!

"To my knowledge Native Americans are not forced (if they are they shouldn`t be) to celebrate America`s independence." - Proud Pal Defender Native Americans are and have been for the better part of a century, full citizens of the United States. One of the first casualties of the conquest of Iraq was Lori Piestewa, a Hopi, from Tuba City, Arizona. " Why should they be? America`s establishment was a tragedy for them." - ibid Why shouldn't they be? The arrival of Europeans (which preceeded the establishment of the United States by hundreds of years) was a disaster for their ancestors. Things have changed, BTW, a Hopi once told me up on Second Mesa, with a twinkle in his eye, that the neighborhood had been going to heck since the Navajo showed up.

I think the Palestinian groups are made of different elements,and some conflicting. I really dont know exactly but it seems at some level,Hamas have contact with Jihad.Maybe its individual members and maybe those individuals do things together. Maybe one or two Hamas members created that bombyou mentioned,I dont know. But by going on common sense,it would seem that Hamas would lose their power very quickly if they did anything. If they didnt claim responsibilty,it would have no political meaning anyway.Its not a statement like 5000 dead.It would be 6 or 7 people dead.Its not worth them blowing any credibility for such a small strike even if they really wanted to attack Israel. I think in those deals its a group trying to disturb Hamas's peace rather than Israels to goad Israel and Hamas into a war.That would take the power away from Hamas.

This is not a line.We are not. So comparing what is supposed to be a democratic country is not the same as comparing the Arab countries. We would have been flattened had the Arabs won. In the ideal of being a light to the nations,which I really personally like that concept,it would be great if we could bring democracy the the arabs. The Neocons tried it in Iraq.Didnt work.But I think Iran is ripe for it. (Yes Persian not Arab) and it may take hold albeit in a modifies version as Israel is too a modified version. Its my hope anyway.

I don't get it!The excessive use of the word collaboration by Israelis and Palestinians is perplexing. The Pals kill anyone whom they say, collaborates with Israel and the Israeli MK is advocating excecution of any MK who collaborates with Hamas.I would say collaboration is a negative word,The positive side of it is co-operation.Arabs MKS don't collaborate with Hamas they simply engage because the impact of misery of palestinian life is also felt by people in Jerusalem and arab population of Israel.

As I have repeatedly said, never trust muslims. They are the fifth column to any country they reside in. The best way to deal with these beasts is to downgrade them to 2nd class citizens. Humiliate them, subdue them and force them to pay jizya, as prescribed by their evil prophet mohammad. Let them have a taste of their own medicine. To recap: Never trust muslims, you have a better chance with roaches.

I live in a country that has democratically elected party that is dedicated to breaking up the country. We tolerate it quite well - albeit we are not in a state of war nor are we threatened by terrorists. Whether or not various Arab MKs meet with members of Hammas or other groups should be irrelevant - indeed such channels of unofficial communication should probably prove to be valuable in some respect. What is unacceptable is Lieberman's blanket accusation implying that because they are Arab they are suspect. And worse, given that Israel does not have a death penalty (with the exception of genocide), calling for such execution. He is advocating an illegal response to an unproven crim. A reasoned principle of democracy is that all citizens are entitled to representation, even those who might offend us or destroy our way of life. That includes communists, the daati, economic conservatives, left wing labour, feminists, the middle class, the rich, the poor - etc.

Any person, let alone a Knesset member, of any religion or ethnicity, who conspires to help Hamas, is worthy of execution.

"p.s. Iran`s comments and any other Arab comments that call for the destruction of Israel are also "nutheaded" and should be condemned by all" I am glad to see you make such a strong comment. A friend I knew for only a short time was a wonderful Egyptian man, who left Egypt after his father put a death threat out on his life. (He converted from Islam to Christianity) Always thought it would be cool to visit Egypt.

"If the government of Israel thought that the bomb in Tel Aviv was Hamas`s.Hamas would be no longer with us,suits or no suits." I agree. But I wasn't referring to the Tel Aviv terrorist attack in which lives were lost. I was referring to the recent terrorist attack on Karni. No lives lost. Thankfully. The Palestinians themselves fought off the terrorists, (and I left a post praising them for doing so). In the meantime, I see no reason not to believe the reports that Hamas ordered the attempted terrorist on Karni, and just because the terrorists were unable to commit murder, doesn't mean Hamas isn't as dangerous as if the "operation" had succeeded.

Marlene, how in the world of reason you are able to associate assassination of murderous, islamist, hatefilled thugs with the murder of upright statesmen is beyond the healthy mind to comprehend. You are left of heaven, but just in a position to reign in hell.

Treason is treason. Collaborating with the enemy and undermining the security of the state is treason. Put aside the Holocaust analogies and the hysterical cries of racism. They are just red herrings. MKs should be beyond any doubt of absolute loyalty to the state .... some of them are not, and should be kicked out, or tried for treason.

talking to hamas and engaging in a Political dialogue with the Palestinian authority which is now hamas is not collaboration.Its part of political process and since arabs MKS have special and religious and cultural ties with Palestinians they will definately meet and talk to hamas guys. If liberman cant handle it he can bite it!!!!Advocating violence against arab MKs is extremely immature and unreasonable.Who made him an MK anyway?

Lieberman is RIDICULOUS! People get executed when they collaborate with the enemy--not just talk to the enemy! Collaboration is that "extra forbidden step"--whereby you actually plan/act with the enemy to destroy the state! Talking is not collaboration! But--Israeli Arabs should limit certain kinds of contact; draw lines; & make clear to Hamas how certain of its positions, policies & actions are bad for Palestinians. ...And--that's it! Regarding Forced Celebrations Of Independence-- To my knowledge Native Americans are not forced (if they are they shouldn't be) to celebrate America's independence. Why should they be? America's establishment was a tragedy for them. ...Yet--many have served this country despite this. Should Jews be required to celebrate certain events/victories in Germany, etc.? No! Lieberman's suggestions are ridiculous--and more than that--of great concern.

Ewwwwwwww now now somebody pour some cold water over liberman head so he can come muster some senses and realise that you do not speak ill let alone call of executions of your fellow MKS.Olmert should put him in detention after Knesset hours to teach him some lesson and he should be given no food and spanked!!!

Leiberman strikes me as much like the "reverend" Roberts here in the USA. Someone who makes outrageous statements to get an occasional headline.

"If Lieberman is a fascist then what does that make Jonathon Pollard?" - Moshe I have made a considerable study of Fascism, which was the most important political movement of the 20th century. Neither Mr. Lieberman or Johnathon Pollard are fascist.

this is just the facts of what took place

202: I would refer you to statements that Mr. Lieberman made before the elections where he explictly called for the deportation of Arabs to either the West Bank or Gaza. He pretty much said that Arabs should be stripped of their citizenship. My memory of the incident may be a little off but to the best of my recollection, that is what he said. 203:No, Egypt would not tolerate Jews that live in Egypt siding with Israel if there was a war. You are absolutely right. The difference here is that in the 1956/67 wars, they called for their deportations and not executions. And if they did call for executions, than obviously that would be just as bad. RE: second question, I don't know how many jews are left in Egypt but their numbers have decreased after the wars. One of my father's best friends was Jewish growing up. He left shortly before the 56 war. Just as I fully believe Pal's refugees have the right of return or compensation, Jews fleeing arab countries should also given the same right.

Why don't you run the idea past the Jewish community of Cairo Jewish population 1948 : 75000 Jewish population 2006 : 100

No my friend...you're not a Nazi. You are just a good guy that wants to see peace like most of the world! We may have different interpretations of what constitutes a just agreement (I personally believe that means everything going back to the way it was before the '67 war, in accordance to our interpretation of the UN resolutions...and I'm sure you may disagree) but we both have the right idea here. That the peace process can only start when these wild comments stop. More people need to take a stand like you have done. Shalom to you also my friend! God bless

If what I said makes me a target, so be it. I've spent enough of my formative years in the Gush to handle it. Give me your take on what would have happened to "occupied Israel" had the arabs won in '48 or '67 or '73.

How many are in government?

The question and the only question is: should a member of the Knesset ( or any israeli for that matter) be allowed to collaborate with the sworn enemies of the Nation and refuse to swear allegiance to the Country. I challenge all the critics of Lieberman to ANSWER!

With all due respect,"ethnic cleansing of Arabs" is NOT that for which MK Avigdor Lieberman called. He VEHEMENTLY took issue with certain MK's' SUBVERSION of the Israeli state !! Face this, Arabs are not Jews.

Pollard is sitting in a prison for a lot less and I don't really see many Jews going out on a limb to defend him. You turn against your country, your pay. If you're an Arab in Israel, the question asked you is the same everybody has been asking the Jews the world over -- where are your loyalties? And they better be with the country you live. In case of the Israeli Arabs, it is Israel. You would have expected loyalty from Egyptian Jews to at least not go to Israel and make public anti-Egyptian speeches, while being members of Egyptian parliament, wouldn?t you.

The nerve of a country to expect it's citizens to give a pledge of loyalty to their country. Don't you love it when Marlene wades in with such insight.

Lieberman is definitely a danger to the knesset and Israel. Regardless of Arab members attempts to "meet" with Hamas this is not necessarily a sanctioned treasonable action. The fact that as Arabs there is some opportunity for dialogue can only benefit Israel. Certainly any Arab MK conducting themselves in discussions which would be against Israel would find themselves tried for treason. There is no difference between Arab MK's and Jewish MK's contacting Hamas. Israel has its share of Jewish traitors that have sold uniforms and weapons to Palestinians for cash.

Population transfers are not crimes or Poland, Russia, Czech Republic, India and Pakistan, to name just a few, would have been in the dock many times over. So would be the most of the Muslim states. Find yourself a real bad guy for a change, like China or Sudan. Picking on little Israel is sooooo easy and risk free that's only a blood sport for cowards, fake self-righteousness notwithstanding.

for not being well-enough read nor informed, maybe you and your ilk should be tried for crimes against reason !

O how far your are from the truth. You are seriously to extreme its sad.

Gina,I guarantee one thing: If the government of Israel thought that the bomb in Tel Aviv was Hamas's.Hamas would be no longer with us,suits or no suits.

They attack anyone and everyone and demand "recognition" and "rights" while ALL they do is stab the Knesset and the Jewish state in the back. -- wrong, they speak with the enemies to negotitate, actually a tool that is needed by Olmert &co. It is not like they have any knowledge of anything top secret to give to any enemy of Israel.

But that was a fair and reasonable post...Sallam and Shalom,JM

BRAVO LIEBERMAN!All American jews on your side.Erets Israel will spit on traitors and enemies.

No Israel does not use a death penalty, but only carries out assassinations/executions against Palestinians while killing many bystanders at the same time. There are no charges, no due process of law to determine whether a person is innocent or guilty of any wrongdoing, and this is supposed to be a democracy? nsrael does indeed have a death penalty without a court of law.

With all due respect to those who are defending this guy, I am a little shocked since if this exact scenario were played out with Arabs against Jews, the reaction would be one of disgust, anger, and people asking "where are the arabs that will stand up against these statements." According to the article, the only Jew to stand up was your Prime Minister, who we as Arabs may not be wild about, but we definately respect his stance. Arabs comprise 20% of Israeli society. That is a fact. They are not going away and Israel would be wise to ignore, rather than encourage, nutheads like these who call for the ethnic cleansing of Arabs out of Israel proper. Thank you for all those who support condemning this man. God bless you all. p.s. Iran's comments and any other Arab comments that call for the destruction of Israel are also "nutheaded" and should be condemned by all. This cycle has to stop somewhere....it stops first of all with encitement from both sides

"Why did Olmert NOT attack Hamas directly???" It seems to me that Israel often arrests suspects months after the facts. I assume because of the timeframe to gather evidence. It was only weeks ago that Hamas suspects were arrested for participating in terrorist attacks back in early 2005. I don't speak or read Hebrew or Arabic, so I can only go by the reports I read here and in Jpost or Lebanon's English paper. Do you know if the reports were discredited? "Why did Olmert DEFEND the MK`s today?????" You mean in regards to them meeting with Hamas? I assume because there is no law on the books that the MKs have violated?? You have me at an advantage as to Israeli law..

This is the same Lieberman who wants Israel to be free of Arabs (sound familiar?) and whose party also advocates a law obligating every citizen to declare loyalty to the State of Israel, which could lead to many Palestinian Arab citizens being stripped of their citizenship. Amazing is that Arab citizens must declare loyalty to a racist state that treats them as seocnd class citizens, and even excludes them from the national anthem, and lets Arab citizens know in no uncertain terms they are nothing more than demographic demons and threats. Speaking of Nuremberg...Lieberman had better be more concerned of who amongst Israel's leaders and officials such as himself may be tried one day for war crimes against humanity, and for incitement to racism, which is what Lieberman excels at doing.

Not one Responder mentioned Pollard all day.

R.W.:"Why did Olmert DEFEND the MK`s today?????" Mmmmmmmmm....Political SAVVY ??? and NOT Principle ???

You know that line. That end is Right.This is the centre and over there is...G-d forbid I say this... a nishtoogaducht on my pupik for saying this....LEFT!!! NO PETER DONT DO IT!!!! You will be a sitting target,Peter!!!! Dont stray Peter,not even one iota over the line. Be careful. Peter,are you an accountant?

Here's an idea-- The USA takes over, kicks out all the palestinian and israeli swine, and turn the place into one giant theme park--holy land, desert land, slum land, crusader land, coast land. You people stink at solving problems.

Deportation isn't.

Of course Lieberman is correct. It is a travesty that the issue is even debatable. Lieberman is a voice of sanity in the deluded suicidal Israeli politic.

I am looking at logic and what the Hamas politic is and could be. I ask you two things: Why did Olmert NOT attack Hamas directly??? Answer that one. Ill ask you another: Why did Olmert DEFEND the MK's today????? How about that one. (Is it possible that Olmert is an anti semite?)

Sometimes you have to wonder why people don't put their mind in motion before their tongue. Lieberman has shown that he belongs on a streetcorner on a soap-box and not in government. I'm certainly not a Leftist, but this guy should be censured for what he said.

Lieberman is a dangerous facist. Shyra is right in everything she wrote/

"Orders for the attack were given by senior Hamas man Ahmed Randor, though the actual attack was to be carried out by the Palestinian Popular Resistance Committees, the Shin Bet said." www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/711264.html Jordan also is lying when it says Hamas has smuggled weapons into Jordan?

Are you truly comparing the blowing up of King David Hotel, which housed the British Military High Command (aside from the warning phoned in plenty of time to evacuate)to blowing up of people at a falafel stand, a bus, a disco, restaurant, or a market? There is no equivalence and your attempt to create one is pitiful. Yes, Rabin was assassinated (still not entirely certain by whom), and so was Nicholas I, Archduke Ferdinand, Indira Gandhi, Mahatma Gandhi, JFK. So what? How does those actions of small groups of anarchists, or fascists or sometimes religious fanatics compare with a deliberate terror attack on working class Israelis, going on the busses to work or trying to buy cheaper carrots at the market, or eating pizza with children, attacks financed by millions of $$ from Arab states, and executed by Arabs organizations of various stripe hiding under various aliases and supported by Muslim masses and ?progressive? minded people. How do you compare the rat poison and screws in bombs to anything from the past. Impossible. How do you account for mass murder in NY.

bang the drums, bang them loud..ly Bang the drum until you block out the sun bang the drum, until you blind from thed noise of your hate Bang the drum you collection of scum bang the drum til you feel srtrong bang that drum, goose-step lightly past your window, trhrow me flowers, and kiss my lips of sweat. Bang that drum and listen to the clouds passing in the sky above We can twist your fate, extrapalate, bend your fate masterbate, bang your drum of hate, for we have heard that tune before. I want your pity, and thirty dollars mouthed the toothless breathing whore. Bang your drum drown out morality Bang that drum B ang that drum

Endangering the country you are living in is treason. MK's, whether Arab or Jew need to think carefully when fraternising with the enemy but as Israel is a democracy and not an Arab state I dont think we need to use the death penalty.

Don't do him the favor of charging him with incitement. He's made himself look foolish and charging him could only make him look like a victim.

What is racist about MK Lieberman ? For pointing out the truth; the glaringly obvious truth ! That the Arab MK's harbor, not so subtley, the hope of Israel's downfall(G-d forbid, heaven forfend !), is not often enough brought to the world's attention. If the Israeli government were a living mammal, it would vomit the Arab MK's.

in pals people make money of thier kids. so their kids all have a price tag from 100$ and more.parents and mullas ,terrorist groups brain wash thier kids to if you become shahid(=cold blood murderer) to marry as many as seven virgin.they donot have compassion for thier own kids.if you have more kid in pal you earn more money.so sad.

Lieberman's comments are repugnant and should be rejected by all decent people, however it is also wrong for Arab MK's to meet with an enemy sworn to israel's destruction. It is a tribute to Israeli democracy that these MK's are permitted to do and act as they do. Israel is stronger inspite of Lieberman's rantings and the Arab MK's inappropriate behavior. In addition let me hear the Arab MK's call for Ahmadinejad's arrest and trial as a racist and anti Semite. There is much hypocricy coming out of the Arab MK's side.

Y'know what? Lieberman reminds me of the one with the mustache. Demonize one's fellow citizens. If you live in a democratic country, you respect the actions of your citizens and their delegates. If you don't want such a system, do as he is doing. You want WW3 to settle horse shit prophesies of end times spouted by fanatical advocates of Christian apocolypse, the Mahdi and Moishiach, just accept this asshole's message and behave accordingly. You want your kids and grandkids to have a full lifespan? Speak up against and fight this mentality!

Regardless of race, religion or skin color. The goals of Hamas have been made clear, as have the goals of Iran and so many other countries and organizations in the Islamic World. Anyone who helps them, is contributing to their goals and is therefore, committing an act of treason and that must not be tolerated. Reviving the death sentence, is perhaps not the right way to go about it. A big difference between us and the Islamic World, is that we do not practice these sorts of things. Cutting off ears and noses. If you can be arrested alive, we usually try to do so. If you can’t be arrested alive, well you will be arrested dead, but you will be arrested. Of course, Israel must stop releasing unrepentant prisoners in exchange for empty promises and mangled corpses.

I condemn any terrorism and I can understand the hatered felt in Israel against Palestinians who kill civilians. It would be good, however, to examine Israel's history, including its own history of terrorism that includes blowing up the King David Hotel in Jerusalme and the killing of UN diplomat in the days of its fight for independence. Among those who organized and carried out terrorist acts were later prime ministers of Israel. More recently, Baruch Goldstein indiscriminately killed Arab civilians. Not all Israelis condemned what he did; quite a few see in him a martyr. I. Rabin was killed by a Jewish fanatic in 1995. Terrorism is an awful act and should be condemned. It is hypocritcial to depict Palestinians and Arabs as less than human while simply ignoring Israel's history. That is what is racist about MK Lieberman and so much about this exchange.

So Benedict Arnold got away with it by running to Canada eh? I guess we’ll just have to send all the Israeli Arabs who consort with the enemy, to Canada then.

If Lieberman is a fascist then what does that make Jonathon Pollard?

I am not wasting my time studying Hebrew..matter of fact I forgot most of my hebrew... The point is? you missed my point..

Lieberman is a smart man, shame that he is surrounded by whores like Olmert who would rather hurt and rip apart their own people instead of going after those terrorists who want to kill them. Olmert is the perfect example of the battered woman syndrome. Lieberman is probably the smartest guy in the room.

MANY JEWS JUST WANT TO BE LOVED BY THE NON JEWS. THAT IS WHY MANY JEWS DEMOMSTRATE FOR DARFUR AND JOIN 'PEACE GROUPS' THAT ATTACK ISRAEL. THE USA STATE DEPARTMENT OPPOSED THE CREATION OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL IN 1948. IT IS THAT SAME STATE DEPARTMENT THAT FINDS MUCH FAULT WITH ISRAEL TODAY. THE WORLD IS INTERESTED IN ONLY ONE THING, AND THAT IS MONEY AND POWER. THE ARABS HAVE MONEY AND POWER AND SEE THE JEWISH STATE AS AN INSULT TO THEM. THAT IS WHY THEY WANT ISRAEL DESTROYED. THAT IS ALSO WHY JEWS SHOULD SAY 'NOT ONE INCH'. THAT IS A MORAL STATEMENT.

Those Zegna suits are expensive.They aint going out to buy new balaclavas (did they ever put the old ones away) and Levis and chucking these expevnsive suits for what? To kill a half a dozen israelis before the IDF blow them out of existence? Get real.

I have a pain in my side from reading your post.

"As long as they dont terrorize they are not terrorists." Last week Hamas was involved with the terrorist attempt/attack on the Karni crossing. Press statements by Hamas have mentioned their future coordinating of terrorist attacks by the various terrorist groups.

(they cant be THAT imflammatory,can they?) Lindsey,noted the MK's stand and your view.But please note that even Olmert defended the MK's. Lieberman's statement is over the top.Way over the top. If you accept that the MK's have some kind of reason as it seems you do you must see it the same way.We are democrats arent we or are we not for democracy or its the survival of the fittest? (If you think its simply survival,its not.We HAVE survived and arrived)

Mr. Liebrman wants to use Bush's tactics to come to power. You are either with us or with enemy. A statement that kept domcrats wipped, and afraid to dispute him so they are not labeled as traitors. 3 Years later they all grew some balls and now attaching him therefore making then enemy of the state. Lets not do the same mistake. He is an idiot, and give us Jews bad name. If we want to be a first class nation, we need to be above all this nonsense. As for the Arab MK's, there has not been a single documented incident where any of them did an act harmefull that weakened our country. Talking is not crime by itself. Remember Jimmy Carter trip to Cuba 2 yrs ago to talk to Castro. Was he a traitor? We need to reject hate even if it comes from one of our own. How can we claim we are better than Arabs if we dont?

As to the "light" ,"Northern trees","Jewishness",again some wild guesses and sweeping statements plus the Napoleon complex you seem to suffer from.

No are they entirely empty dreams.

or thrown out the rightful owners. And your "here"-does it signify you're a migrant-worker in Israel,full of inate hatred for that country and the Jews? Wouldn't surprise me,your ilk is plentiful among criminals in Sweden.

Ive been reading your posts here because you're generally one of the more interesting posters, but I think you're wrong on this one. I don't necessarily agree with Lieberman, but I dont think you fully appreciate the strain that Arab MK's place on Israeli democracy. Israeli Arabs dont serve in the IDF, by the way. The Druze and the Bedouin do, but not most of the Israeli Arabs. Most of them identify with the Palestinians of the territories and Ive heard some say that they would never fight thier brothers and sisters (i.e. any Arabs). Im not saying that they should, either, or that they dont have a right to not be Zionist. I dont blame them for that at all. But its a bad situation for everyone all around and the arabs dont do thier part to bear the burden of democracy and tolerance. scapegoating Lieberman is a mistake, and its way too easy to do. those kinds of sentiments need to be dealt with because they stem from legitimate fears and anger. no, not indulged, but dealt with

Aren't there Knesset rules about incitement? Saying an MK should be executed could be music to the ears of some nutter. We've seen it before.

Olmert's response to Lieberman's outburts is silly. To say that the Arab MK's are loyal citizens is like saying that Eichmann was a judeophile because he once visited a kibbutz and learned some yiddish before the war.Olmert needs to show some guts and honesty-not only with settlers.

I have a better idea. The word can be spread that they wanted to know the hideouts of the terrorists so the Israel security forces could catch them and more people of the gang. The next time they met? Problem solved, you know.

Who let this bigot and idiot in Israel.

I thought Liberman was Russain. What the hell is he doing in here and telling people that they need to be killed. Only in Israel a Russian can sanction the execution of the Natives of the land he and his ilk have stolen.

If Light is the beam that makes Jews different than others,then maybe you,AS, live in the Northern part of Sweden where there is little or no light at all. Is it a crime to hep Aids patients or to even hug trees? What are you hugging? Avigdor Lieberman???? Better help Aids patients and look after the environment than hug this fascist statement. Jo-Burg is not my part of the woods (all good things happen in trees)and you obviously cant see the forest for them either.

The democracy, that is Israel, provides for a response such as this:http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/712521.html In how many other countries would such a response occur from a prime Minister?

Why allow them back into the country once they are warned against certain actions. Citizenship rights can be made conditional to legally accepted behaviour,clearly legislated, articulated and applicable to all. Treason and calling for the destruction of Israel is only acceptable to the Israel haters. Visiting rights could also be limited to so called peace groups who come to Israel. No "humanitarians" have yet gone to sites targetted by Qassems but there are plenty protecting Arabs.They have zero credibility.

Liberman is acting as those protesting against the Danish cartoons. If he wanted to really make a point about the Arab MKs acts, he should have regreted them and expressed hope that time will come when Aras will not regard creation of Israel as nakba and will stop being Israel's enemies. The only explanation I have for the Liberman's words is that he comes from Russia, in which everything the government did not agree with was criminalized and subjected to harsh punishments. I myself suffered from similar sindroms for a long time after leaving Russia.

The majority of Israeli Jews are living in denial. You?d like to think that you live in a democracy, but in fact and if you just look around yourselves for just a second you'll realize that you have a racist government. You live in apartheid system of government just like the old South Africa.

When reading liberman's comments, I can't help but being reminded by Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his statements.... looks like Ahmadinejad have a match in Israel.

..........Historical claims by Arabs/or Palestinians are frequently dismissed by Westerners as delusional, a species of mere self-aggrandizement or twisted propaganda. But still words have an ominous historical echoes so when Khaled Mash'al, the leader of Hamas on Islamist group victory in the Palestinian elections said; "Hurry up and apologise to our nation (all Arabs), because if you do not, you will regret it."...."This is because our nation is progressing and is victorious...By Allah , you will be defeated...Tomarrow , our nation will sit on the throne of the whole world. This is not a figment of imagination but a fact. Tomorrow we will lead the whole world, Allah willing. Apologize today, before remorse will do you no good." Aah those Islamic Imperial dreams of Hamas

To my fellow countrymen, the jews: be careful not to be fooled by his racist remarks. Once a racist always racist, today he is spreading hatred against Arabs, whose next? Harideem, Ethiopians? While I don?t agree with everything the Arab MK do, specially meeting with the enemy, lets not forget it was Israel who financed and encouraged Hamas in its early days, It was with Israel?s blessing that Hamas was established and started operating. Are the Jewish Israeli officials who supported Hamas in the early days going to stand trial as well?

The world does not care about the tragic situation in Darfur. No, the world wants Arab money and oil. And Jews, to placate the world, allows a fifth column to be representative in the Knesset. The Arab MK's that meet with terror groups and salute the "nakba' work for the demise of the Jewish State. Olmert should speak the truth. Lieberman is not a push over. Let Lieberman be the leader of the opposition.

I to share your (our) shame. Even more so of the vast majority of Israelis who actually agree with Liebermans basic stance. But it "may be a bit harsh" or "bad for the national image" to actually say it aload. Most posts here are unfortunatly of the above kind.

Nobody likes traitors.

Spin WHAT !?? Reread my posts, brainiac. We're saying the same thing, only your need for adversity seems to have obscured your understnding.

This is just a taste of what's to come over the next couple of years. Olmert is the epitome of weakness and appeasement. He has done zilcho on the qassams, on the most recent suicide murders in TLV, and now this. These Arab "MK's" travel out of their way to meet and kiss the slime responsible for blowing up Jews into a zillion pieces and this dude claims that they are not acting against the interest of the state. Please somebody get this man a spine. Quick.

You've left me speechless. One man's terror organization is another men's government? I have news for you, buddy -- people who find it morally acceptable to blow up a bus or a disco are nether acceptable to people like me as a government, anymore than the Nazis were. People like you, enablers and apologists for terrorists, have innocent blood on your hands, without firing a shot. Right now, in an Israeli hospital is an American boy, fighting for his life, with his spleen, kidney and leg removed. Go there and tell his parents that your kind of government has done that deliberately to that boy and than visit all those wounded with screws in their organs and explain your political theory . Who exactly are you comparing your kind of terrorists to, exactly. Frankly, I cannot thing of anybody else who would deliberately murder and maim civilians and then achieved political respectability.

He's right though,Olmert IS talking to Hamas preparing a "final solution" for Israel. After Olmert's done,none besides some scholars would speak Hebrew anymore.

"I hope all the feminists, leftists, and homosexuals enjoy one day living under palestinian rule." Actually I hope all the Palestinian people will enjoy one day living under Palestinian rule *only*... For the moment they are living under Israeli occupation ... This has to end now !

"lieberman is right" I talked about death penalty with my pupils. The last injection into the arab MK's hearts would be a potassium chloride solution which stops the action of the heart muscle. Maybe you can ask Israel if they give you a visa so that you can do the job - unless you have already been aknowledged part of the Israeli jurisdiction.

I'm tired of these tough-talking Israeli politicians who do nothing but posture. Netanyahu was a pro at this. Sharon did this as well. Kahane, well, we all know about Kahane. Sharansky is someone who did follow-up. Let's see about Avigdor Lieberman...

-as.Don't project your guilt on Judy.Go hug some trees or work in an AIDS hospice.You've failed miisrably ,you S.African good-doers,you've got nothing to boast about.

The bullet if they are lucky enough. Otherwise, they lynch them in horrible manners. I have seen pictures and couldn't see the details because it was too much. Really horrifying.

Thank you for posting my posts to the Judt pece. Could you please try to make the entire thing available again. There seem to be technical problems. Thank you very much.

While you have a point where Peres is concerned, not clearly so with Rabin. As a head executive of the government he formulated the foreign policy. Whether he could talk to the PA would depend on the specific language of the law disallowing such contacts. Similarly, it is okay and quite legal for President Bush to divulge confidential matters to let's say Saudi Prince, but not so by a member of a Congressional Committee. There is no question that MKs don't have any authority to conduct independent and unauthorized contacts with the enemy, thus when they do so, they can possibly commit an act of treason. Perhaps you and others are right in that Israelis have allowed creeping acceptance of treasonous behavior, starting with Peres and Beillin, or perhaps even earlier . It is quite obvious that the Arab MKs consider it as their absolute right to be disloyal and treasonous to their country. Now, I?m quite sure that they didn?t become so embolden all at one, but through years of neglect on the part on the Israeli Justice Department.

Lieberman has got it right, these are sworn enemeys of the Jews

Wasnt John F Kennedy killed in Texas????

I completely agree with Lieberman. No country would ever tolerate these traitors. We are at war. You do not give succor to your enemy even more so when they are homicidal, genocidal maniacs. Plus I love the menacing picture, way to go Haaretz. I wouldn't use this paper to line my parrot's cage with this rag of a newspaper. I hope all the feminists, leftists, and homosexuals enjoy one day living under palestinian rule.

From what I understand of Israeli Arabs is that they fight in the army and they are in the Knesset too.They are seemingly good citizens. Hamas has been a terrorist organization,true.But its also has bought Zegna suits (maybe Armani correct me if Im wrong),travelled the secondary world for support and been reasonably good neighbours up to this point. They did not fire the Quassams.The Israeli government knows that.Otherwise they would have been obliterated.It wasnt Hamas cars that got the missiles.As long as they dont terrorize they are not terrorists. Now even Olmert,the Prime Minister of Israel is defending the treason people,the Arab MK's. Throw him away too,he is aiding and abetting!!! Hamas may well have Jihad against Israel up their sleeve,but not even I am suggesting the horse of the Trojans coming to Tel Aviv. Lieberman is way out of place,I dont care who he is and what he has done other than this.Facsists make these kind of statements,not Jews.

It was considered a crime to talk to the enemy of the state of Israel 15 yrs. and more ago... because they were "terorists"...but later on we were awaken by the surprise secret negotiations and Oslo (which is dying but that is a different subject to discuss). I think some one from the Israeli Keneset/government is currently meeting with Hamas some where...should they be tried Mr. Avigdore Liberman? My advise to you is to learn and to speak Hebrew as goog as a high school arab student.

No one has to celebrate Independence Day, Although, I am surprised that many in the Israel Arab population dont. It was a good day for them too. See how far they have come since the Arabs invaded the land. Much better off then Israel's neighboring Arab states. Better jobs, better healthcare, better education, etc. I am not implying its perfect. No democracy is, but it a great start and only getting better. Yes, I am for the death penalty, but after a trial and depending on the crime. Shouldnt get death for not celebrating Independence Day, but traitors meeting with and supporting Hamas dedicated to killing Jews and wiping out Israel. That may be grounds for execution.

I thought the subject was MK's. Not palestinians.Egyptians,Jordanians,Rabbis,etc.Members of the Knesset who are collaborating with the enemy.What do you fine followers of the peaceful religion of islam do to collaborators?No trial thats for sure,bullet in the head,thats also for sure!

Bravo, Liberman, Bravo Go for Premier Minister now!!!

Between 1986 and 1993 Israel had a LAW which forbade meeting between any Israeli citizen and any representative of the PLO, regardless of the motive for the meeting. Israelis had to leave a room when they discovered that a PLO rep was present (in international conferences, for example). In 1993 the law was cancelled. The quick result was the Oslo accords, which then became doable. There is still a law against treason, against providing info, etc., but not against just talking. It is not clear to me what Lieberman is complaining about. All visits and contacts with Arab countries and with Palestinians are open to scrutiny as far as their legality. But Lieberman is not an enthusiast of the Israeli (and Western) justice system. Just shoot the bums is good enough for him. Stalin should be proud.

A few weeks back a body of an arab man who sold a house in Jerusalem to jews was found. Must have been my illusion, the only problem is that the poor bastard is still dead. Death for selling land to Jews is still in force, even with old Mufti dead. Must have been his relative AIDS-infested-Nobel-Peace-Price-Winner Arafat that brought it back. You can spin for unaware - I pay attention.

"We know what your view to that would be."; an obtuse statement , to say the least. This is the root of difficulty with genuine dialogue. To identify with Lieberman's sentiments and yet not with his methods or "remedies" describes my position. You presume more than you know, Ronnie. Name one nation, democratic or otherwise, which tolerates IN its government those dedicated to and outspoken for its destruction. This business of vicariously estimating the posture of other democracies is bogus for the very reason that there isn't one nation on earth which would tolerate such overt subversion.

In the previous elections (2003) Lieberman ran as head of a party which opposed giving up any bit of Greater Israel. For the present elections (2006) Lieberman changed his tune, agreeing to Israeli withdrawl from territories, but insisting of removing many Israeli Arabs from Israeli sovereignty. Lieberman is a product of the Soviet system. He is not educated enough or religious enough to sincerely believe in Greater Israel. He is an extremist, brought up under the brutal attitudes of the morally degenerate Soviet system. It is not that he has any clear ideology; Lieberman has the good old disregard to human life and liberty that his Soviet educators had, and Russia still has (e.g., Chechnya). Today he deals with the Arab citizens in this manner; tomorrow, with other political opponents. The man is not evil, nor sociopath, just a miserable Soviet antipath.

Olmert is all things for all people.Apparatchik who gained power and wants to stay there by hook or by crook. Soon he'll be selling Israel to Hamas to get a nod from his wife and the State Dept.

The prime minister of a country defends the right of the enemy to stand up in the governing hall of that country and condemn that same country's existence. The mud we are in just got deeper.

Is another mans freely elected government. It has happened more than once,and by friends and foes alike.

why avigdor do you have to make a fool out of yourself at any occasion? FOLLOWING YOUR LOGIC they should have executed RABIN and PERES for talking to the PLO BEFORE OSLO.

selling land to the Jews. How about death for any Arab too friendly with the Israelis. We all saw pictures of their very savage and very public executions. Jordan and Egypt are at peace with Israel, thus any contact between their citizens and the Israeli should be allowed and normal, yet neither Jordanians nor Egyptians are allowed a free contact with the Israelis, not if they want to live. The only joint activity permitted with the Israelis is if it is some boycott or general public abuse and condemnation of Israel. Those Israeli Arabs are Israeli lawmakers and their loyalty MUST be to Israel. They have no right to private policy-making, private contacts with the enemy or divided loyalties. If you wish to add Peace Now to an enemy list, I will not fight you on it, and if they get off bounds and into treasonous behavior, by all means charge the sobs and that goes for your rabbi, as well.

I think like Shira (1) Lieberman is dangerous for human right, Israכl and peace.

The guys to left wing for me

The racists are those who want to ethnically cleanse the Jews just because they are Jews. This is the hams? goal. And why did those Knesset members met such kind of racists? Lieberman isn?t talking about race but about treason to the state.

Lieberman has disqualified himself as a serious representative in the Knesset of the people of Israel. Get rid of him.

Such talk is unacceptable! He can kiss goodbye the participation in the next government! Israel is not Stalin's Russia! Oh no! But... wait a second: all he said is true. Hmmm... Ah, no, let's get back to attacking the person rather than argue the idea. Yeah, that's the way in Politically-Correctland.

Khalid, Ignorant fanatic and bla blah . Your discussion level is little boy's level. Mature a little. You must read the Guidelines for publication. But Haaretz does not obey to the rules that they had put. You either don't understand what has been said or as usually you are distorting everything. Arab MK represents Israel and are Israelis. We are at war with Hamas. A member of knesset can not meet official representatives of a country that we are at war. If an Israeli MK is meeting with Hamas officials this is a crime and must be punished. Capito !non Capito Aby Aby

A good idea. That Lieberman is really smart.

Does Darfur have anything to do with passover??????

End the double standard, expel Liberman from the Kenesset and charge him with incitment, Arab MKs have been charged for less extreme statements.

Lieberman made a very correct observation that some members of Israel's legislative body engage in a treasonous behavior . Outrageous statement? Well, lets examine the behavior of the legislators in question: going to Lebanon and meeting with the leadership of the terrorist organization openly devoted to the destruction of the State of Israel and issuing joined statements attacking Israel; going to Syria, a country still at war with Israel and doing exactly the same; meeting with the leadership of Hamas, while the Israeli gov?t is trying its utmost to prevent a meetings between the foreign governments and Hamas, another terrorist organization devoted to the destruction of Israel; issuing public statements attacking Israel and siding with the PA; while Israel celebrates its Independents Day, leading Nakba, mourning the creation of the State of Israel and breeding discontent and separatism among Israeli Arab population. Now, this is treason, without a doubt. Treason at war is punishable by the death about everywhere.

Who can take Avigdor Lieberman seriously? Since the days he and another target of the police-Tzahi Hanegbi were college buddies, who can believe these liars? Time for ISRAEL, THROW AWAY THE KEY, AND KEEP LIEBERMAN IN JAIL FOREBVER.

we woulnt be dealing withe terrorism today.its a shame israelis allow arab who collaberate withe terrorist in the knesset when did we forget how to defend oureselfs?

If agreeing with him makes me a racist, then I guess I am. Exucution should be reserved for only a rotten few, but I beleive in revoking citizenship and deporting to their lovely Paridise of Gaza. Theve really taken good care of the place haven't they!

Meir-I could have not said it better. You are 100% correct. This business of enjoying the benefits of Israeli citizenship and MK status on the one hand and conspiring with the enemy on the other is unheard of. Maybe I'm naive but I can't understand how this is tolerated. Leiberman is the only one with the guts to speak out-he's right and everyone knows it

Passover was the LIBERATION OF JEWS from ARABS. Lord how dumb must you be? The Egyptians that enslaved us were KILLED. The Amalake that tried it after that were also killed. Where in Passover does it say "surrender your heritage"? Where does it say "give up Israel to your enemy"? No Where. Unless you have your own version. OURS says the redemption STARTS in Egypt and ENDS in Jerusalem. It ENDS when the temple will be rebuilt. Passover is comprised of 3 parts "passover - the sacrifice at the temple - religious liberation, Matzoh - the symbol of PHYSICAL liberation, and Morror - the knowledge of understanding of our slavery and why it happened. NOTHING has anything to do with the pals living in Israel, Jordan taking over the Temple or anything else. You need a refresher course in Jewish customs SIR.

One of the best antidote to stupidity I am aware of is humor. Mr wildabeast is extremely funny ... Any other high level contribution of this kind Sir ? Feel free, express yourself, I enjoy it and it makes me wonder how low you could go ...

Aren't those Arab Knesset members attracted by terror? Why did met hamas then?

Anti-Zionist means that they are against a homeland for the Jews, the country those anti-Zionists are citizens of. Hamas are not settlers but a terrorist organization whose goal is the destruction of Israel. What did the anti-Zionist Knesset members have to deal, in hiding, with the anti-Zionist hamas terrorists?

Everyone here is posting about democracy, racism and fascism, but no-one mentions the bottom line, which is that since Israeli courts are protecting these traitors, Lieberman has openly called for someone to kill them. The Arabs in question have fully understood the import of his words: "Tzartzur said Lieberman's comments constituted racist incitement that was liable to lead to the spilling of Arab MKs' blood". That's the bottom line. Lieberman has achieved one result: the fifth column inside Israel's Parliament will at least, from now on, live in fear (of course, being good Muslims, the Arab MKs should thank him for taking them one step closer to Shahadah). VIVA LIEBERMAN!!

Those Arabs Knesset members met with the enemy. They are the fifth column. I remember when a Jew was lynched and the Arab Knesset members asked not to look into the matter and search for the lynchers. Also, in the electoral campaign, they said the arabs shouldn't vote for Zionist parties. They also call themselves "Pal Israelis", and besides they have been commemorating nabka.

In time of war, all traitors, regardless of race or religion, deserve the most severe punishment. To the traitorous Arab MKs, I would add Vanunu, and other Jewish traitors. Let us not descriminate based on race!

According to your logic, anybody meeting with the enemy should be punished, if not executed. Then all Palestinians, and Jordanians, and Egyptians meeting with Israeli citizens ought to be executed. Then Uri Avneri would be executed...and all peace now members and Meretz people...!! And all Israeli meeting with Palestinians, like the dozen Israelis I hosted the other day, including at least one rabbi, should also be executed. I think you a ignorant and fanatic. You've got to make peace with thyself first.

Chavez.Both those countries have population many times over Israel,voting for those jerks. Aah,I forgot,they can't be jerks since they're progressive. p.s. Do you have a chance for being elected in your Chile,your surname taken into account?

Will someone please remind Mr Lieberman that what was acceptable in Stalin's Russia, will not be acceptable in a democratic state like Israel. Such talk is utter nonsense and should not be acceptable in any civilized society.

i wish i could vote in israel...i'd make him king...so there is an israeli politician left who can speak the truth, after all. why stop with the MKs though?

why weren't yossi beilin and the academics tried for treason when they met with the illegal PLO before olso behind rabin's back?

Its a shame for Israel to have a racist as Avigdor Lieberman in the Parlament

It is right for Democratic countries to be undemocratic at times to save the democracy but any democrat that has half a mind would know that this is not one of those times.(You are a democrat arent you Hadag?) One can only understand the situation if you psuedo transplanted the problem and used another democratic country as a model.Lets say UK or America,where emotion for you would be at a different level and we can assess how you would think relative to the same problem. We know what your view to that would be. These are just twisted words for you Hadag to grab at straws and keep alive any kind of reason why such a person as Lieberman would say such a disgusting thing.

The Arab members of Israel's Parliament DO NOT SWEAR ALLEGIANCE (LOYALTY) TO PROTECT AND DEFEND THE STATE OF ISRAEL AGAINST ITS ENEMIES. HOWEVER, THEY ARE STILL ALLOWED TO TAKE THEIR SEAT. OBVIOUSLY, THEY ARE ELECTED TRAITORS and TROJAN HORSE. HELLO!!!!

lieberman has a one digit IQ He should go back to wherever came from Only those born in the occupied terretories belong there.

yes execution is too harsh, they need to be expeled from the kneset, and a law should be passed to legalize their expulsion!

Lieberman speaks the truth... The arabs are the most non loyal citizens one could imagine.

Oh contrare, mon frere ! It is most certainly your very own bewilderment that presupposes a consideration for a strange law of a hateful religion. It wasn't a "law", as you so erroneously claim, but a fatwa of the grand mufti, nazi collaborrator. You are confusing me with someone you see in your mirror; unlearned of Israeli/Jewish history.

If you had read my post till the end would have read this too : "PS : Let me be clear:I stand 4 dialogue, not for the execution of anybody ... ;-)" I took one famous example of one side talking to the other. In this case Shimon Peres. That's all ... Dialogue, please, dialogue ... Peace on you

Have U heard of any country that accepts MPs that openly express their rejection of the state they represent. Have U heard of any country that permits MPs 2 visit & collaborate with that country's enemies. I believe there is one, the State of Israel. Imagine this 2 happen in Hamas territory or in Syria. Such an MP would be killed without any trial. 2 many Israelis (and 2 many other countries too) the USA represents the role model 4 Western democracy. But 2 become a U.S. citizen, immigrants R required by law 2 swear allegiance 2 the United States & 2 absolutely renounce any & all allegiance 2 the nation from which they came. How much allegiance is not required from members of congress member. Hence, I agree with Avigdor Lieberman that it is outrageous to allow MKs that R hostile 2 their country. Make everyone who wants 2 be eligible for MK candidate 2 swear allegiance 2 the State of Israel which interests they are supposed to protect and represent. & disqualify anyone MK who rejects.

It should be mandatory in ALL democracies to verify politicians' mental health before admitting them to parliament or government or any other public office.

Lieberman wants to be the Amedinejad of Israel

Lieberman has of course a point.These Arab MKs are not loyal to State of Israel and there should be a law to try them for treason for associating with the declared enemies of the State .These Arabs should not be represented in the Knesset and at the same time conspire with terrorists gangs who committed acts of murder in the country.But,it is up to the Court to pass appropriate judgement. A Bill should be passed in the Knesset to outlaw any MK who commits act of treason against the State. PM Olmert should give this matter top priority

Are the people that defend and incite the murder of millions killed in the name of ethic cleansing from the time the world began. The flags,banners,colors,badges were all different but the rhetoric is the same. Of all people,we the people of liberation in the story of Passover are smitten with this low life. For all those shouting from the rooftops about Judt's article and how anti semitic it is,Im sure dont even get ruffled at this incitement.

Benedict Arnold was not executed. After his treason was discovered he escaped and fought for the British. After the war he went into exile in Canada and England where he died in 1801.

Treason is exactly what these MKs seem to have committed. Let them be indicted and tried, and if they are convicted, then any of the usual penalties for treason should apply, whether prision, deportation, or execution. No big logical leap here - it's what any other country would do.

Consorting with an enemy at the time of war is a treasonous act. Thewe is nothing extraordinary in it. Expecting loyalty to the country from your members of parliament is customary as well. I wonder, why in your confusion, you're not so disgusted with the Arab law that makes a sale of property to a Jew a crime punishable by death, the law which is currently and has been in effect, as evidenced by the executions.

I did not know that this newspaper attracts so many idiots and fools. As I can see many jews did not learn the lessons of the last world war. Stop appeasing our enemies. You just try to apply for a viza to Saudi Arabia. Y"ll see how fast they will invite you, you ,fools.

Where did Haaretz get that positively demonic photo? I swear if you look closely you can see the little horns on the back of Adolph Liebermans head. Fortunately the tattoo on his forehead reads 999, oops, wait a minute, I've got the picture upside down!

to Lucio:what did you do for Israel.Shimon Peres has done a lot ,i know him and respect him. Eva

I'm sorry to tell you, Ernst, but after my 7 years in that wonderland I wouldn't be surprised at all if Lieb would make his way straight to gvnt without even taking his words back. I guess Olmert will swallow alright the words of Lieb. Let's see if your hope will materialize which would prove this is just another normal country.

wow, David, you said Lieberman is 100% correct but then you go that you agree neither with capital punishment nor with with his exclusion of "Arab MKs" to be executed for this. You didn't say whether you agree that Arab MKs should be executed for not celebrating Independence day. But I strongly suspect you wouldn't back Lieberman neither in that. The "Independence day" clause in Lieb's discourse is especially humorous, you will have to admit.

"G-d forbid that these Benedict Arnolds of the Knesset have access to any sensitive information what-so-ever !!! G-d forbid, g-d forbid !!!" ~hadag nakhash Good point, wasn't Benedict Arnold, Executed?

The Islamic World. Hamas in particular celebrates the Holocaust. Idealizes those who murder Jews and would genuinely like to repeat this. Some Arab Politicians in Israel might share this view. How they keep political support in spite of this, says more about their constituency than Israeli Tolerance. In most of Europe denying the Holocaust is a crime but even at high seats of Israeli Government wishing for a new Holocaust in the open is supposed to be tolerated? Wanting to murder millions of people for their religion is a good enough reason to execute them and technically it is treason and that would have a death sentence in much of the world. Spy on them find out how they are helping Hamas. Arrest them and execute them only when material support has been proved. No reason to limit this to Arabs either. A lot of people are willing to commit treason like Labor.

By definition, Arab MK's are not anti-Israel. They're Israeli citizens and politicians with a different view on how things should be run. Anti-Zionist does *not* mean anti-Israel. Are members of the right criticised, censured, or threatened with execution for meeting with extremist settler groups with links to outlawed jewish terrorist movements? Neither Kach or Hamas should have a role to play in Israeli politics, but the stage has already been set. We have to be careful - dissent within a nation is a key tenet of democracy and when we regard it as treason, we're heading down the road to fascism, not democracy. Whatever happened to that constitution, anyway?

Irrespective of political opinion this address goes beyond any acceptable parliamentary language. The residing Knesset speaker should have stopped Lieberman in the middle. -As incident is due to come before Knesset ethics commission their verdict/decision should suggest lifting of Lieberman's Knesset immunity for this case!

Someone said earlier that Israel is the only country with Members of Parliament dedicated to their country's destruction. That's not true. Canada has a large number of MP's in the Ottawa parliament from the Parti Quebecois who are dedicated to the break-up of Canada. They are free to express themselves and their political aspirations. It's up to the public whether they're buying the message. That's democracy. HOWEVER, Canada is not in a state of "conflict" with Quebec as Israel is with Hamas. The EU, the USA, Canada and most countries have banned meetings with terrorist organizations including Hamas. It is mind boggling that elected representatives from Israel (of all places) meet with people from that "terrorist" organization. Certainly not execution, Lieberman asppears to be an incendiary fool, but the Knesset should lay ground rules about meeting with an enemy.

Tibi already said that nhe wants to turn israel into an islamic state. he should be banned from politics. no state has to accept an enemy in its parlament. of course, when lieberman said "execute", it was not exactly meaning kill. only the fool could believe on it.

We all know the left wants Israel to fail, but collaberation with the enemy? Sedition? True Lieberman should have said TRIAL for arab MKs not death (that sentence a court can decide). Arab MKs should be representing Israeli arabs who wish to be citizens of Israel. Theres NO reason why they cant be productive members of society instead of a 5th column. Why should they be allowed to consort with Israels enemied. They are representatives in Israels government and should play by the rules. Lieberman is frustrated and rightly so. Olemert the blind fiddles by kassams fly - any sane patriot would get insensed. Make arab Mks swear an oath of alliegance puniishable with imprisonment and expulsion - that will end this solution once and for all.

remember when everyone against oslo was called a traitor and the media wanted them tried for incitement. These people -- like Lieberman were totally correct. How many more Israelis have to die and how many will be murdered by Hamas because of the Left wing and the agenda of the media (note the picture Haaretz choose of Lieberman)

Only in Israel is racism normal and acceptable. Shame, shame, shame!

He said that Arab MKs who meet with and support Israel's enemies are traitors who deserve to be executed. He also pointed out that some Arab citizens regard Israel's creation as a disaster. What exactly is racist or despicable about that??

I do not see anything really suprising in Lieberman's remarks, as political power is has always been a natural attractor for those with agressive-psychopathic tendances (Lieberman is textbook case). Is he is a fool? probably not; a profoundly evil man? certainly.

G-d forbid that these Benedict Arnolds of the Knesset have access to any sensitive information what-so-ever !!! G-d forbid, g-d forbid !!!

This must be one instance of a democracy's need to be "undemocratic" in order to preserve itself from its own demise. One of those instances of which poster, Ronnie Wolman, would be speaking. Ronnie, hello ?

This person makes me sick. He has an evil mind. He should be removed from the Knesset!

Arie, Read the headlines: Lieberman calls to execute Arab Knesset members! Would he call for the execution of (say) Peres should he meet with a Hamas leader? Simply said; Liberman is abusing his position.

I am amazed that a civilised nation can put up with someone of his ideology in the Knesset. what amazes me even more is that the Knesset speaker did not ask him to retratc the statement or leave the chamber. That is what happens to people who overstep te mark in mot democratic houses. I despair that a person who has witnessed through historial sources how the Jjewish people have suffered and how political opponents of extremist regimes have suffered (Israel is not extremist - this is not what I meant) can advocate the kind of action he is deliberating. That he should even be considerd for government is a slight on Israeli democracy. And to those of you who say that "in any democratic country" anybody who meets with enemy powers should face execution - well that is just plain nonsense. George Galloway was meeting Saddam Hussein up until we declared war. However, he even regained his seat at the expense of Tony Blair and no-one put him on trial. Just grow up.

As long as the Kneset doesn't make rules for the behavior of its members - there is no reason why an Arab MK can't use the same langusge from the Kneset platform and ask for the execution of Liberman.And, perhaps that's the only way to shut Liberman up.

Anyone who can be depicted as racist, nationalist and openly calls for the execution of other people for any reason can clearly be considered as a facist by all means. The fact that this person is a MK doesn't make a diference. Not to me !

"His statements regarding arab knesset members is something you`d expect to hear i Iran, not in Israel. " I share your feeling, but I am sorry to tell you that I don't think any serious observers of Israel's political arena will be surprised ... Sad isn't it ? Examples of racist statements made by Israeli elites (under the guise of democracy of course) abunds ... Oh, is there any law that punish blatant racism in your country ?

Lieberman's comment's are correct and true. A Jewish kenesset should consist of Jewish Mk's! Furthurmore people who mix with terrorists and support terrorists, are terrorists themselves!

ADDENDUM: The Arab MK's and any other MK that meets with thew PA while the PA still avocates the destruct ion of our country shuold be put on trial for Treason, and punished to the full letter of the law.

If those who contact, openly or secretly, the enemy should be executed, than I suppose that Shimon Peres would be one of the first to face the death squad as he met in Oslo (along with others) with members of the then-banned PLO ... Not enough room for many other examples ... PS : Let me be clear:I stand 4 dialogue, not for the execution of anybody ... ;-)

I think that Lieberman should have his imminuty removed, and then put on trial for incitement to riot, and whatwver elso the law could think of. After a statement like that, he should be barred from the Knesset and all public office. What is this, Israel or Nazi Germany?

didn 't take long for Lieberman to reveal his true colors. hope the ethics committee finishes his political career legally and permanently. what a turkey.