Pink Floyd's Roger Waters urges Israel to 'tear down the wall'
Legendary rocker arrives in country for concert, visits section of the separation fence in Bethlehem.
By Jonathan Lis and ReutersPink Floyd frontman Roger Waters, who inspired the rock band's iconic album "The Wall," scrawled "tear down the wall" on the concrete panels of Israel's West Bank barrier on Wednesday.
The barrier was the first stop on a visit to Israel and the Palestinian territories for Waters, who had been criticized by some fans for planning to play a concert in Israel.
"It's a horrific edifice, this thing," Waters told reporters as he stood beside a section of the barrier in Bethlehem.
"I've seen pictures of it, I've heard a lot about it but without being here you can't imagine how extraordinarily oppressive it is and how sad it is to see these people coming through these little holes," he added. "It's craziness."
Waters added to graffiti with red spray paint and a marker pen. Waters was lyricist, songwriter and singer for Pink Floyd, the former British rock group famous for "The Wall" and "The Dark Side of the Moon".
Israel has built almost half the barrier, which has the stated aim of keeping suicide bombers out of its cities.
Condemned by Palestinians as a land grab, the barrier has been branded illegal by the World Court because it cuts through occupied territory. Israel is rerouting some sections after a Supreme Court order to lessen Palestinian hardship.
Waters is due to perform a concert at the Arab-Jewish coexistence village of Neve Shalom on Thursday as part of his world tour.
The concert was originally planned for a Tel Aviv sports stadium but, following criticism by fans in Britain, Waters changed the location to the peace village, where Israeli Jews and Arabs live in a joint community.
In 1990, Waters performed "The Wall" along the Berlin Wall that separated East and West Germany to celebrate reunification.
He told reporters he hoped Israel's barrier would also be brought down one day. More than 90 percent of the barrier is razor-tipped fence, but towering concrete walls are used in built-up areas.
"It may be a lot harder to get this one down, but eventually it must happen," Waters said.
Massive traffic jams expected for Waters showThe concert by the former Pink Floyd soloist is expected to cause massive traffic jams tonight on the Jerusalem-Tel Aviv Highway and Route 3 between the Latrun and Nahshon intersections. About 20,000 vehicles are expected to try to reach the concert venue near Neveh Shalom on a road that has between two and four lanes.
Jerusalem Police and national traffic police will deploy unprecedented forces to cope with the extraordinarily heavy traffic burden. A total of 950 police officers and 600 security guards and ushers are to maintain security at the concert, while 180 police officers and 200 parking attendants will direct traffic in the area.
"It is possible that at some point we will decide to direct vehicles against the normal traffic patterns in order to ease the burden," one source said.
"We recommend that drivers remain patient and leave early to attend the concert. Drivers coming from the Tel Aviv area are advised to leave as early as 4 or 5 P.M. The official concert will begin at 8:45 P.M., but opening acts will begin as early as 6 P.M," said Police Commander Tzion Shai, an officer in the special missions division of the Jerusalem police force.
Police predict that 45,000 people will attend the concert.
"We recommend that drivers who are not attending the concert make use of alternate routes, like Jerusalem-Tel Aviv Highway 443 or Route 44 from Kiryat Gat to the Beit Jubrin intersection, and proceed to Jerusalem from there," Shai said.
The Jerusalem Police also recommends that concertgoers wear flat shoes in order to avoid slipping on the furrowed earth at the site.
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Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters spray-painting the words "No Thought Control" on a section of Israel's separation barrier in the West Bank town of Bethlehem on Wednesday. (AP) |
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Sure Israel has the right to build a wall to protect it's citizens. But it's got be built on its land (i.e. pre-1967 borders). Unless the wall is relocated the rest of the world are right to view it with suspicion as an illegal construction causing needless hardship to the palestinians, and as a poorly disguised land grab.
I am american. My dad fought in WW2. I don't fully understand the issues between Israeli's & Palestinians. But I do HATE violence and terrorism. Tear Down The Wall is a huge Metaphore. I hate not one person, race or lifestyle. I do understand although that someone out there hates me that does not even know me. I live with this because i was born into it, but until my death I will have no hate for anyone.
hi and hello
"I also noticed that most of the comments were by americans - as usual content to comment from afar - how dare they have anything to say when they are living so far away from our reality. Let them come here and live here before they open their incredibly ignorant mouths". They are indeed part of your problem! The sooner you realise this the better. Many are among your midst.
neve shalom is a fake city. co-existence does not include oppression, submission, and apartheid. live free or die. give me liberty or give me death. keep on rockin in the free world roger waters!!!
I also noticed that most of the comments were by americans - as usual content to comment from afar - how dare they have anything to say when they are living so far away from our reality. Let them come here and live here before they open their incredibly ignorant mouths.
To all those jealous ignorant morons, Roger Waters gave a show that knocked the socks off anything that has ever been done here in Israel, the audience LOVED him, the sound, the music, the stage were stunning. Roger Waters has always had left wing politics. For the idiots who cannot understand his lyrics - ever heard of satire?????
Well Done Roger..You got more brains in one rusty guitar string then most of this past it world.. I still love ya
The way i see it is.......Why on earth would anyone beleive anything a Yank or a jew would say Neither has a self operating Brain...Id build a wall for all u dumb ass beleivers..And lock you all up inside. Well Done Roger You still got my vote as a World Leader.... As for the Peanut whose burning his cd s and records.....oh how we change our week feeble minds... I reckon we should build a big friggin wall around the usa... Tezza
I've been listening to Roger Waters long before and after the wall will be built. I love and admire hi both as an artist and as an individual. If you just open the scene just a little bit wider you'd all see he means the best for us all as a human kind, not as Dual seperate beings...
Well?if hatred was the solution for anything?then there would be no problem at the first place?..u and I mean by u? israelis and palestinians?.u all have to understand that u cant stop this bloody blood shed except if u reach common ground together and not by creating more hatred and building stupid walls?and to all the isrealis who are afraid of losing their friends and families to bomb suiciders?well look around u a little bit?.palestinians have the same fears and they also wonder when will they get bombed?so wake up ppl?.simply wake up?.it is time for some change?and all of u should be the power of this change... God bless all ppl who promot peace...like Roger...
Tear down this wall Mr. Olmert!
Sam from CT wrote earlier: "We have seen that peaceful protest doesn`t work with Israel." Let me as the following... What has been Israel's response to rockets and bombings, and what has the effect been on the Palestinian people? What has been Israel's response to Palestinian complaints about the path of wall when they are made to Israel's judicial system? What seems to work better for helping the Palestinian people?
I am just a new boy, Stranger in this town. Where are all the good times? Who's gonna show this stranger around? Pink Floyd himself, and Roger Waters have had a long standing feud over the best way to approach this and other conflicts. Pink was always one to carefully weigh each side before speaking, whereas Roger just likes to preach to anyone who will listen. ;-) "Oh, and by the way, which one's 'Pink'?"
Ibrahim seems to be a bit confused, judging by his recent posts here. In summary: Abbas has no real power. Hamas is in charge - group that stands for not honoring agreements with Israel, destruction of Israel, expulsion of its Jewish citizens and replacement of Israel with Muslim fundamentalist state. Empty rhetorics means nothing. One can only negotiate with those who can deliver. Israelis will have to wait for Palestinians to get down to earth. Can someone explain here how one side can negotiate with the other that rejects the first' right to exist.
I am sure the wall IS hideous and terrible for those on the eastern side. I have a solution. Let the Palestinians march AGAINST TERROR. March in Ramallah against carrying on the terror war, demand PEACE with Israel and the end of indoctrination of the kids to carry out the bombings. March to end the hatred, the desire to see the end of Israel and kill Israelis, march in Gaza to stop the Qassams and fight terror. It doesn't get much simpler than that. End terror from the eastern side of the wall and from Gaza, decide to build a world of progress for the children, quit blaming Israel for every woe..kids are hungry? Quit buying guns and bombs. Yes, it's horrible, the wall, but it can come down quicker than it's going up if there is a real peace and not terror.
Thank you for your eloquent statement, which should be read by all. I have been along numerous sections of the wall/fence and seen the disastrous implications for local Palestinian farmers. The section that Roger Waters visited, around Bethlehem is a particularly hideous example, raping the landscape, invading the living space of the Bethlemites and cutting them off from their lands and orchards. For all those who ridicule Roger Waters and blindly defend this monstrous landgrabbing piece of concrete and barbed wire, come and have a look first. See how Palestinians have to live beyond the wall and then make an informed opinion. Moshe at 161 is one of those Israelis who I applaud for their honesty and moral stature.
waters should realise the first wall was built to keep people in, the second (ours) to keep terrorists out. big difference so stop your thought control its not needed hear
First of all I would like to thank's Roger Waters for his visit in the region and I would like to say that it was the best concert in my life. How can people from the USA or the Canada judje the wall and its consequences on West Bank. They never came to the east side of the wall. People die of hunger, the soldiers destroy schools, houses, shops and killes civilians every day. Is this wall a "security wall" for all, I do not think so. Do we speak of that in Israel or in the states, you simply are Brain washed. And finally, when Roger Waters sang the wall everybody sang with him.
Listening to that old rocker's preachings made me want to puke.
So, actually you would have been against the creation of the State of Israel in the first place. You should have said so before. Now we all know who it is that we are dealing with.
Dear all.... (for exemple M. Adam) I realy have the feeling that lots of you don't know the difference between Arabs and Muslims ... Arabs include Christian, Muslims and might include Jewish coming from all the Arab countries (such as Morocco, Tunisia, etc.) Arab is a culture and has nothing to do with a religion. So please, to all, before explaining things about the conflict first get to know who are the people living there!!! Palestinian, Israeli or Jerusalem ID? Jewish, Muslims, Christians, Druses or Armenians? Etc.
The article claims that the wall was built to prevent suicide bombers from going inside Israel, if this is the case then why not build the wall on Israeli land? the Palestinian are better off if there is a wall to seperate them from Israel as long as the wall is on Israeli land, last time I checked East Jerusalme, Bethlehem and Qalqilya were in Occupied Palestine, then why is the wall built there?
Actually 50000 Israelis went to the concert because they love his music. I know scores of people who were there, including my son and his friends. They all support anything thant keeps the terroritsts as far away from them as possible. Just a small fact Marlene - As I live here and work here, I know and Israli or two. There isn't one I know who is aginst the wall. They are all against war and would love peace. NBut they all support the wall as a means of protection. But then please don't take my word for it - carry on with your silly comments about things you nothing about.
Its all too easy to say 'tear down the wall'. He has no understanding of the issues that Israelis face. What do you expect from someone who has spent most of his life, 'COMFORTABLY NUMB'
Look mummy, there's an aeroplane up in the sky" Did you see the frightened ones? Did you hear the falling bombs? Did you ever wonder why we had to run for shelter when the promise of a brave new world unfurled beneath a clear blue sky? Did you see the frightened ones? Did you hear the falling bombs? The flames are all gone, but the pain lingers on. Goodbye, blue sky Goodbye, blue sky. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. "The 11:15 from Newcastle is now approaching" "The 11:18 arrival...."
Some idiots still have enough brains to keep quiet. It'll be interesting to see if any others in the music industry are game enough to denounce his pathetic utterings.
Maybe it was 50,000 Israelis who agree with Waters. There are Israelis you know who do not support the wsll and are verbal about it.
Let him live in Israel a few months - I can find him a place in missle range of GAZA - I suspect he will change his tune - which would be great since his music and ideas both need imrovement
I'd like to ask Pink Floyd how many casualties does he think should once again occur if Israel tears down its "wall." Before the "wall" there were many casualties, both Israeli and Arab Palestinian. Since the "wall" the total is zero. What does Mr. Floyd want? More casualties? More dead and injured on both sides?
Israeli "walls of oppression" existed long before the actual building of this wall which is being built only to steal more Palestinian land with complete disregard for any Palestinian in its way or their property. Security has always been used by Israel as the basis for all its aggressions and crimes against humanity, but if it were in reality a wall for security, it would be built within the so-called green line. I am sure Israel has high hopes that it will encourage Palestinians to leave also. These walls will come down eventually (both of them).
Dear friends, The '67 borders were not ideal but, in fact, the possible peace arrangements would improve on that situation greatly. For one, all Israelis consider that Palestine must be demilitarized. This means no heavy military equipment so that the threat will go away if Israel watches out and destroys every cannon or tank the neighbors bring in. There is also expected to be some protection thru some control over the Jordan Valley. I think the Geneva Accords allow Israel to move in at times of military emergency. In any case, taking this region can be used as pressure to behave, to say nothing of the fact that cutting off Gaza-WB connection will also be great pressure to behave. The military situation of Israel vs. Palestine is vastly superior to Israel-Jordan situation pre-67.
These comments are silly! One might argue that the wall is oppressive, that the wall runs through neighborhoods, that the wall is the cause of all evil, and all who make such arguments are wrong. The wall creates a border for both Israel and Palestinian Arabs. Like it or not, the green line is not going to be the final border. Who cares as long as a Palestinian state comes into being alongside Israel? Anyone interested in seeing a Palestinian state should be happy that there is a literal border in place of empty rhetoric. Ironic that Arabs would cry for borders created by colonialist Britain and France and all the while blame the Jews. I do not believe the wall is such a great structure, but mostly because Israel has now marked her own borders in concrete and barbed wire - certainly not preferred, yet completely needed to protect innocent Israeli citizens of all faiths. Arabs should be happy that Israel can expand no further. Have a nargilla Ibrahim, Khalid and Yaakov and celebrate.
for the puporse of oppression. It is there to defend Israel's citizens against those who want to murder them, on a daily basis if only possible. You don't have to like it.
..the spoils of war - the result of Israel's victories over the Arabs who have never given up attacking it with the view to its destruction.
".... the land they stole in 67", Are you so totally ignorant of history?
The predecesor to thi post was not printed. I don't have a copy, but basically was to tell philospher that he is also an ignoramus and the wording of his enquiry reveals that he is not really interested in a reply. Why don't you educate yourself about Israel's mixed cities and myriads of outreach programs to promote understanding and coexistence - start with the Givat Haviva Jewish Arab Peace Center, go to the Barkai football club for JEwish and Arab pupils run by Maccabi Tel Aviv, etc. etc.
First i want to thank Roger Waters for his comments I had a look at few responds from PPl round the world, with regret i noticed most Israeli's R with keeping the wall to prevent Palestinian attacks, I can understand that, but we have to ask ourselves is this reason for the wall or just a land grap, the wall wont stop palestinians from attacking targets inside Israel, just and fair peace will, all what they want what is belong to them, and I am sure IF Israel pull back to 67 border and allow to create vaiable Palestinian state will benifit all the region including Israel, I hope the world will come to his senses and and hel seriousley to solve the problem Thank you again, Mr Waters and i hope we will hear a song about the WALL
First the arab]muslim world of hatered against jews which ocuppies 25% of the world surface area should be destroyed
That's the most illogical logic that I've ever heard. Why negotiate with people that want to kill you? It's a no brainer bud.
History has shown that walls cannot stop freedom fighters. Only peace agreements can.
If we are going to start giving land back to people who were conquered and eradicated we should start with the Native Americans. But will that ever happen, Hell No. So why is it that the Jews were just handed land by the European Nations.... Maybe to get a foothold in the Middle East. I think So
Personally I am prejudiced against a state that calls itself "Jewish" or "Islamic". Any state. Such a state is basically biased and creates second-class citizens. There is no catholic state (except the Vatican, of course, which is not a military power), no state that calls itself "buddhist" or "hinduist" or "taoist" or "animist", etc.
Yeah you guys are probably right, why try for peace when the Jews and the palestinians are so good at killing each other, let them keep going so soon enough America can do what it did with the American Indians, wait till there all dead then move in and steal there land. The middle east will be a 2nd america god willing.... So now that you've all got your heads out of your a$$e$, put your personal feeling aside and look at the big picture, He IS FIGHTING FOR PEACE. What do you do? Nothing But whine and cry about what someone whose more famous then you is doing to make this world a better place. If you want to kill a terroist why don't you start with the 3 biggest terrorist in the world...BUSH,Chaney,Rumsfeld. Then the world would be a better place.
Remember that Hadrian was the Roman Emperor who expelled the Jews from Palestine. They were allowed to return in the 19th century by the Turks ! The Berlin wall built by the Soviets is demolished. The Warsaw wall built by the Germans in 1941 is demolished. Walls do not last if they are a means of oppression.
Mr. Ben Gurion, I too see the wall as necessary, and the current arrangement of the wall as predatory. The argument against the Green Line is that it is 'indefensible." It has been defended, but I agree it is not optimum from a defensive standpoint. The "Wall" will in effect make the border over twice as long, and therefore even less defensible than the Green Line. And, any attempt by Israel to annex much of the land being separated from Palestine by the wall will be rejected by the world. So, the wall - as it is now being constructed - will have to be replaced. Economic and strategic folly. Mr. Waters, should understand, however, that the wall is necessary. it works.
Hey Pinky Wall goes down day after US takes down the Mexico wall It seems that Israel's security fence gets all the press. Ben
You are right. The only truly legal borders of Israel are those established in 1947 by the UN partition plan. Everything outside these limits is land grab.
if israel was;nt so greedy and would give back the land they stole in 67, there would not be so much violence in the region
Just as Roger water s is entitled to his opinion, so are those who think he is wrong.The point is that DESPITE his views, Israelis turned out in their thsousansds to hear his music. They did not go on a rampage to detroy his equipment, tear down the stage and call for his beheading. As I wrote before, I can't help wondering what is he had painted anti-terror-kassam-suicide bombing slogans on the wall of the Mukata before performng in Ramalla.
Well how long has the wall been there? And how many bombings have taken place since the wall was errected? Okay then.Maybe you Israeli's should stop building walls and start building understanding that your land belongs to them as well. I think there is too much talk going on about this wall, and not enough talk about how Israel truely cares more about themselves, then peace and freedom to people who are doing time without a crime.
Funny you talk about Israeli lynching - the only ynch I recall around these parts was in Ramallah. Need you be reminded?
Ooooh thanks for bringing this up! I was just thinking that in this forum there are some Arab/Muslim posters who seem to absolutely never respond to any logic, they keep posting always the same things as if they were copy-paste the same texts, no matter what. Why? Simple, because they are not here to actually discuss something, they only come to spill their hate for the Jews. I have yet to see you, or others like you, how you like anyone's political views that are critical of Arabs, only then i will consider your critic. As i said (but you didn't read it all) it's not that he is critical of Israel but he does it without knowing what he is talking about. And i don't need his kisses. I am straight.
In the Netherelands apparently, 60% believe that the the behaviour of Muslims "won't do" http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150355527834&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Governments are responsible for every occupation and every war. The Jewish and Palestinian people are the only ones that can create peace out of hate. Its nice to see someone trying to attempt to bring both sides together. for those who call on him as a supporter of terrorism, then you yoruself support the killings that take place in the land of all our Gods. Bring down the Walls!!!
Big Ben,I think as much as there is talk about 67,that from the Left of the Jews and from the centre of the Palestinians there is really no acceptance of the Geneva Accords even with moderation. Instead of a quick deal,I think there is a Bush plan afoot that fits in with Convergence and that Abbas will go for.Not a final deal.But a interim deal that will see Convergence become a bilateral and then multilateral start to a peace deal. The trust is not here yet.The wall is being built for now. It will take time. Not for you but for most people Ben. Maybe you do have the right answer but there is not too many people I believe who will go for it in the first place. However I think that a series of points of accountability will ensue with Abbas getting more and more support as we go along and it could very well lead to the point you are at.
WE TOOK THE LAND FROM THE INDIANS SAM,U BITCHIN BOUT THAT?
Despite his actions, 50,000 Israelis turned out for his concerted and rocked to his music. He was safe. I can't help but wonder what would have happened if prior to a concert in Gaza or Ramallah he had sprayed "Stop Terrorism, Suicide Bombings and Kassams!
Oh Ibrahim, Keep spinning my fishy friend. No suicide killers before Oslo? OK! You neglect to include bombings inside of Israel's borders prior to Oslo - don't those count for something? Bombs placed by people to kill innocent civilians ought to be included in your review of the "facts". Arafart himself led a failed mission within Israel's borders in 1965 (prior to the 6 Day War in case your math is as poor as your historical perspective) and Israelis maintained bomb-shelters for decades before Oslo. Your analysis is flawed and you clearly have an agenda that does not include fairness to both Israelis and Palestinian Arabs. Please, Ibrahim, please try harder to be fair.
Water's has been playing the same crappy music since the 1960's. I can't believe anyone would pay to hear it.
Think he'd give equal time and scrawl such a message on the local neighborhood suicide bomber fanny pac.
Ismail Khaldi used to be a shepherd; now he's been appointed Israeli consul in San Francisco Original Source: http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3266233,00.html
Whatever I didn't like his music anyway...He better should think about how he's going to spend the money he made with his lousy concert in Israel... Israel, you have support from us in Germany!
The base hatred and ignorance exhibited in the postings is mind boggling. Let's not forget they crucified Jesus for preaching peace.
Your opening statement already marks you as one who is not really interested in a reply. Some philosopher you are. Go get yourself an education. Why should your rely on answers from "racists". You idiot! I could tell you about cooxistence and outreach progams in Jaffa, Haifa, Nazareth etc. I could tell you about the Barkai Arab-Jewish football club run by Maccabi Tel Aviv. I could tell you about the Givat Haviva Jewish Arab peace center. I could tell you about ... what the hell. Go look it up for yourself.
next time you want to give another concert please consider Eilat or Akaba. The traffic jams were outrageous and I hope I never have to be stuck again like tonite in traffic! GIVE US A BREAK!!!!!!!!
WHAT IF NOBODY CAME? NOT A SINGLE TICKET SOLD?
Let it go JEWS
It's a nice gesture by Roger Waters to make a symbolic gesture for mideast peace. Unfortunately, he does not bear witness to the carnage of the suicide bombers. If he did, maybe he would understand the regretable need for the wall.
"It may be a lot harder to get this one down, but eventually it must happen," Waters said. Sorry Roger. Not in our lifetimes. That's for sure! That wall was put there for a humanitarian reason! Selah!
Ari, Try and get it right. It's another prick in the wall, not another prick on the wall. Perhaps that's you I can see.
Ah, Roger Waters--the idiotic voice behind one of Pink Floyd's WORST albums. Even worse than "THE WALL", however, is the wall in this guy's head. Too many drugs. YISRAEL FOREVER!
Keep playing your guitar and singing my friend, probably better than talking about politics which you have no idea about.
Hello Adrian, It appears that you are unable to handle the inevitable consequences of your illegal, inhuman and brutal occupation of Palestinian land. Particularly when it comes to someone who has the balls (and insight) to stand up to the false Zionist propoganda media militia that your international standing is so precariously dependent on. The Wall will come down. "Banging your heart against some mad buggers wall". Listen and learn.
"And this prisoners document or another document demanding 67 as a realistic point wont work,especially now,when nobody trusts the other side. I however think that Abbas,Olmert and Bush have a need to make something positive happen otherwise they are all kaput." - Ronnie Ronnie, the Geneva Accords were signed in October 2003. This is not such a long time ago. The 1967 borders were used as a basis. No big settlement was constructed since, so talking about '67 is not at all unrealistic. I think it is the MOST realistic, subject to some territorial exchange.). The three leaders you mentioned are not strong, and do not have the ability to force a solution even if they wanted to. But I believe that negotiations between Israel and Abbas can solve the problem in principle. After that, the military enforcement will be easier. It seems, though, that neither Olmert nor Bush are yet ready.
Jim, When negotiations bear fruit, and suicide bombings and all terrorism ends, then in your demented world, the Palestinians have to live with the WALL, inconvenienced and humiliated. Your vision of the future is anything but peaceful. I assure you, when tensions go down and progress is made, the prevailing condition will be that the Israelis got off their asses and started negotating...will everything be perfect? No. But until the Israelis decide to talk to their adversaries in a serious way there won't be peace... later, chump.
IF THE WALL IS TAKEN DOWN THEN THE ISRAELIS WILL FLOOD GAZA AND TAKE IT AWAY. THEN WHERE WILL THE PALS GO? DON'T MAKE WISHES YOU MAY REGRET.
FOUND--- ANOTHER "USEFUL IDIOT"!
Hi Pink Floyd, write a musical about the Israel wall on stolen land. Tell the world about the crime of the century. Tell th world, what Israel do to the palestine people.Tell the world, how many children are killed by israel sniper. Tell the world, how the palestine people have to suffer under israels occupation. Tell the world..........
What I heard on the News on Channel one sounded off key to me (and the grapes are sour that I'm not there.)
ANOTHER PRICK ON THE WALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And walls ARE madness, Hadrian's wall notwithstanding. Jerusalem had high walls topped with razor wire running through residential areas until 1967. There was rejoicing, on both sides when those monstrous concrete barriers were demolished. Anyone who remembers those days does not need to look at Belfast or Berlin, they know from personal experience that walls must come down. May sanity vanquish the craziness both sides have sunk to.
AND TO THINK THAT SUCH A LONG LIST OF RESPONSES TO THIS UNIMPORTANT SELF INDULGING BLOODY FOOL. HE IS DESPERATE FOR MONEY,AND A HAS BEEN IF EVER THERE WAS ONE. LET OUR AUTHORITIES GIVE HIM A BUCKETFULL OF WATER TO SCRUB THE GRAFITTI TO WASH DOWN HIS "MANURE"....
I don't know why you insist on playing the cause effect game. Suicide bombings are a recent event? Ever since Oslo? You really want to nitpick about the terrorism that has been coming out of the territories? What about kidnappings? Shootings? Regular (not suicide) bombs? Missles at schoolbuses? These are all things which the Palestinians have been involved in with or without surrounding Arab countries since Israel's existence, and before. But I don't care about that. I care about now. Cause effect games don't interest me, and neither do blame games. I want to see results. If Abbas can give them, great. But I'm a realist, I want to see terrorism stopped and I want to see a Palestinian population that is ready to move on. And I don't see anything that will lead into that direction any time soon. Hence, the wall will have to stay. btw - You really like inserting statements into my comments which I have not said. Interesting... is that another way to try and prove your points?
First of all ibrahim, there were many bus bombings before oslo, which is why they needed to have a huge peace deal in the first place. Second of all, you name baruch godlstien all the time and ONLY him because he is the only one and acted alone. Whereas i can endlessly name suicide bombers terrorists and murderers on your side of the line. Thirdly, there was TONS of arab terrorism before baruch goldstien. I am pretty sure that the Hebron riots in 1929 came before an incident in the 1990s, right??
interesting. Although any group that hopes for the destruction of its own people cant really be concidered sane, now can it?
"ANOTHER PRICK ON THE WALL"
I am a big fan of Pink Floyd and especially Roger waters. He is definitly right, this illegal, barbaric wall must come down. If you think it is a security wall, than maybe you need to wake up. it is an oppression wall.
Since you are all such defenders of freedom of speech/expression I am so surprised to see you get so upset and angry at this man's view and opinion that he is entitled to have and express(not).
"Israel should negotiate with Abbas. If the negotiaions bear fruit, Abbas will naturally have the authority to enforce them." Well, "naturally" doesn't cut it. We'll see if he can pull his weight. If he can, great, things can move forward. How many Palestinians are going to support him though? I have seen nothing in the news that would cause me to believe that him signing an agreement would be any more effective than Arafat signing an agreement. "I don`t dispute it (the wall) makes suicide bombings more difficult," Right. So why should Israel take down the wall again? Because it makes life difficult for Palestinians? I prefer it to targeted killings, that's for sure. And I'd prefer inconvenienced Palestinians to dead Israelis. "But Abbas can`t and won`t be your lapdog, providing security while you confiscate more land" On the same note, why should Israel be the PA's "lapdog" and give more land when they refuse to condemn terrorism?
Some very disturbing pictures came out of that and a very disturbing impression of these Palestinian “Civilians”. Not just a few militants but the entire Arab Street came out of their houses and shops, men, women and children. They smashed in the skulls of these men and pried out their brains with their bare fingers, they tossed about flesh and blood like confetti and danced and rejoice in the gore, cutting off body parts as souvenirs. Some of them were surely waiting in line at checkpoints to get in to Israel the very next day, for work or school, complaining about the wait with bits of flesh still stuck under their fingernails.
What a simplistic, childish viewpoint. Perhaps Mr. Waters does not remember the bad old days before the wall went up. Hundreds of innocent women, men and children mowed down by suicide bombers. Does he advocate that? I take his actions as advocating just that. That makes him an anti-Semite and unworthy of entry to this country. Our country. Bottom line on the wall is we shouldn't have ever had to built it, however it works. Just look at the statistics. Shmuel
Wiki-reference: "Roger Waters was inspired to create the album during a 1977 concert tour for Animals, dubbed Pink Floyd ? In the Flesh. In Montreal, a fan's disruptive behaviour resulted in Waters spitting in the fan's face. Waters was immediately disgusted with himself, and his alienation from his fans urged him to build a wall between himself and the audience, an idea which later evolved into the album" imagine that that fan had a bomb belt packed with metal flechettes like hooks, screws, ball bearings, and other objects foreign to the human body that the fence itends to keep out. Imagine he had a firearm that ?society?s betters? in your native Britain have banned. http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/2006/06/thats-right-roger-no-thought-control.html
He should keep to his music and not enter the "buffoon of the year" award in this way . Where was he when bombs were going off in a bus or a cafe in Israel ? Where was his "Peace and Love" then ? There was no wall until arabs started blowing people up on a regular basis . "No thought control" is what Mr Waters seems to be showing his lack of - he certainly has no logic control .
You say The more violent Israel is, the more violent will be the resistance I say The more violent Palestinian Terror is the more justification for a wall. But why not stop talking about violence and terror and talk about peace. Stop the Terror, elect a PA that recognizes a peaceful co existence with the Jewish state of Israel and there will be peace and at that time no need for a wall.
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Like we need yet another British a.....e telling us what to do....... And people have probably paid money to go and hear him play tonight! Well more fool them. A PROUD TO BE EX brit
The acid has damaged this man’s ability to think correctly and the “Don’t need no education” philosophy shows in his shows in his judgment. The Israeli wall is defensive and needed. Now take your infidel graffiti to Singapore or Saudi Arabia and find out what intolerance really means.
You say you are surprised that a voice of insanity comes from Israel (which you compare to the dark side of teh moon!!!) Noor, have a good look at the next website and you will see examples of the good that Israel contributes to the world. http://www.israaid.org.il/ I hope you will visit Israel one day and you will see that its definitely not anything like the moon and you will see that Israelis are good family minded people.
Some of your commentators seems to believe that artists have a higher sense of morality and understanding by reason of their ability to compose tunes or put on a good show. Have they never heard of Richard Wagner? Artists are in no way morally superior to anyone else. They egotistically believe they are morally surperior because they are fawned over. Water's talent to compose music provides as much moral insight as David Beckham's talent to curve a ball when taking a free kick
Big Ben,I agree with all you've said,but in the case of the 'land grabbing' wonder if that is not a fair response for the Islamicist's dream? Of course it probably wasnt thought out that way but there are not many on the other side thinking out the situation either when it comes to the future existence or not of Israel.On the Palestinian side they are willing to go with any flow that their leaders decide. And this prisoners document or another document demanding 67 as a realistic point wont work,especially now,when nobody trusts the other side. I however think that Abbas,Olmert and Bush have a need to make something positive happen otherwise they are all kaput.
Yaakov- Maybe Roger instead of sounding like an arrogant, uneducated prick could have also talked about the Israeli victims murdered by those behind the Wall he so passionately talked about. What he did was complete disrespect for his host country Israel and should be ashamed of himself for making comments without asking himself why was the fence built? He did not condemn the terrorism eminating from the some behind the Wall. I will reconsider listening or buying anymore Pink FLoyd music.
I hope they boo this no talent LOSER of the stage allthough i am also aginst the fence 4 a diffrent reason!
Rock stars, actors and professional athletes all have one thing in common. They give stupid advice on important matters that only a fool would heed. They should stick to their chosen field-- Diversions. Most of them are just drug addicts or low lives with money who are severely affected.
TO PINK FLOYD AND WORLD COURT the reason why they see wall illegal beacuse they did not lose family members in a terriorist attack.
Jim, Sounds alot like you ARE playing the BLAME GAME. I have answered your questions. The WALL snakes through neighborhoods, it makes life hell for people 24 hours a day, and it makes people angry. Israel would be more secure if they negotiated a peaceful resolution..that is why the wall should come down. I don't dispute it makes suicide bombings more difficult, but regardless of your short and selective memory, suicide bombings are indeed a new phenom in the conflict. The first suicide attack since Oslo was actually committed by Baruch Goldstein, you might remember him, the settler from Hebron. So you don't like Abbas? You are hopeless. I assume you are pissed off that Olmert is meeting with him as we speak in Jordan? You appear to be AGAINST this? Israel should negotiate with Abbas. If the negotiaions bear fruit, Abbas will naturally have the authority to enforce them. But Abbas can't and won't be your lapdog, providing security while you confiscate more land
firstly - that was very rudely asked. not only that, it was bad gramar. any way, the answer is that neve shalom is very left wing. both jews and arabs alike there think that jews are wrong to be in israel. why don't they leave? why should they - they now have something to moan about. I am talking from experience of the area. I volunteered there some time ago in my more leftist days, and found that there was no 'peace' in the village since peace means two people with differing ideas coexisting. here - everybody agreed.
The "wall" is a necessary evil. It is the only effective way to stop suicide bombers. The idea to build the wall came up already in PM Barak's days. The "Right", including Sharon, objected to this for ideological reasons; they saw it as a prelude to the dicision of the Land of Israel (which is correct). Ultimately, though, it had to be built to save Israeli lives. Ones the project was approved, it turned into a major land-grab opportunity, causing many hardhips to the Palestinian neighbors of Israeli settlements. The Supreme Court recently accepted the ICJ view that Palestinians are entitled to Geneva Convention protection. But the Court does not dispute the need for protecting existing settlements, and halts only settlement expansion projects that would involve eaxpanding the wall. The bottom line: The Green line border of the West Bank is some 360 km long. The wall will be about 800 km long. It twists ant turns to grab whatever it can. Unfortunately, this would prevent peace.
Well of course the wall is ugly and horrific - but so is the reason it's there. Terrorism! So to all the rock stars who are concerned with this issue it might be a good idea to ask the terrorists to stop murdering, and then the wall can come down and be replaced by trees.
Roger Water's words echo many statements issued by sports people and artists who were horrified to see the apartheid wall considered affront to decency and basic human values. In fact every person who saw the wall had spoken against it in utter disgust. There is no doubt that the ‘Let's destroy the wall campaign’ is gathering momentum and its only a question of time before the world turns against it just as it did against the apartheid regime in South Africa.
Like they did to the soldiers when they tossed out the window.. I THINK WE KNOW WHERE IT COMES FROM,
There are no "BUTS". The fact of the matter is we tried to live in peace, we accepted the UN partition that the Arab World refused. Both peoples had a chance at peace. Having that said, " what is the cause of Arab (palestinian) terrorism that itself caused the wall?" is a foolish question. The Palestinian People have yet to realize we are here o stay.
The symbolisme of walls as expression of differentiation and demarcation is an interesting topic for an artist like Waters. As long as humans set up their mental walls of fear and prejudices, mistrust and hatred, concrete is needed to make a future rapprochement possible.
Ok - now I love pink floyd even more!
Did he visit Israel when there was no wall, let say, between 2000 and 2003?
"NEVER FORGET ARAB TERRORISM CAUSED THE WALL"... And what is the cause of Arab (palestinian) terrorism that itself caused the wall? In playing the blame game, we rarely have the honesty to go to the root cause... Terrorism does not happen in a vacuum. Not to say that I condone it. But unless we deal with the issue in a wholistic manner, it'll do nothing but perpetuating the chain of actions/reactions...
"Israelis and their world chorus are ready to lynch anyone who has the gut to speak against Israel and its mad policies" How about some proof of this? I don't see anyone at Ha'aretz being lynched and they attack Israeli policies on a daily basis. Lynching. Hmm..... Where did you come up with that? Do you have any idea what you're talking about?
Seriously, I am just looking for a straight answer. 1) Why should Israel tear down a wall which is much more effective than targeted assassinations at preventing suicide bombers without any promise or attempt on the side of Palestinians to prevent bombings? 2) Who can Israel negotiate with? What would be the result of these negotiations? Can you answer this time?
Abbas elected? Sure. But now Hamas was elected over him, no? Again, finger pointing. The Palestinians elected Hamas. We all know what Hamas stands for. The claim that the Israelis have undermined Abbas is as valid as the claim that the Palestinians have undermined the left. You don't like "talks about talks about talks while settlements continue to expand" well we don't like talks about talks about talks while terrorists are still active and the PA supports them under the table. And your Palestinian leaders know this very well. There are two sides to this conflict Ibrahim. I'm not playing the blame game here, like you. I want negotiations, and I want someone to negotiate with. There's no use of the Israelis negotiating with someone who doesn't have the backing of their people. Period. btw - you still haven't answered the question. Who can Israel negotiate with? Like I said before, people have been asking you these questions for as long as I can remember on the talkbacks.
Perhaps he could use this concert as a fundraiser for buying a few Caterpillers and donating them to Palestine so they could be employed to bring down this odious ghetto wall meant to create a border to hem in the Palestinians. Then perhpas they could just keep moving toward the colonies and help Israel meet the commitments it has been avoiding for years in dismantling their colonial projects! Great Idea. Go for it Roger. Bring that wall down once and for all.
Evading questions isn't going to help. Cause effect? Terrorism a recent phenomenon? Hah! You could play the cause-effect game forever and it still doesn't answer my question to you. The wall (which doesn't have to be permanent, as you say) is a good temporary solution to terrorism which the Palestinians government refuses to combat. It's much more effective than targeted killings, as we have all seen. You have yet to refute that fact. You can keep riding the land-grab bandwagon if you want, and talk about better solutions than a wall (of which you have none which are viable), but you have yet to explain to me why Israelis should be opposed to a non-violent means of preventing suicide bombers. A better solution than a wall? Prove it. Show me support on the Palestinian side for a better solution.
Red Floyd can say "tear down the wall" in Haaretz, but we can't say tear down Haaretz (or even burn down Haaretz) and get out post published. It was, if you care to remember, red Haaretz that accused the IDF of shelling civilians on the Gaza terror beach.
Maam, do not argue with me human rights, especially against Israel. In a region where the phrase itself, HUMAN RIGHTS, is primitive among neighboring nations, Israel is the only country that guarantees those rights to its citizens. That Wall, that many chose to call illegal is what has reduced the amount of suicide bombings into Israel and prevented many deaths. That Wall, as much as it effects Palestinians on one side, equally effects Israelis living on the other. That Wall, as much as it enclaves certain Palestinian villages, it equally enclaves Israeli towns. That Wall, as much as it is ugly on one side, is just as ugly on the other side. Now what would be a violation of Human Rights would be the worlds intervention in telling Israel to demolish that very wall that is securing the citizens of Israel. We are no longer going to stand like sitting ducks waiting to be attacked by terrorists.
GREAT! He is an artist. He has what any artist here is able to do: to critized the regime. Here, everybody is a potential coronel. Like most of the journalist, who are faithfull with the gobernment. No questions which demand thruly answers. No anything, Everybody here is scared of loosing their popularity. So, art is in its place, not moving through the dificulties of daily life. Roger Water maybe will have the oportunity of telling what the nationalism of the artist forbid them to do! Abna Ana
Waters caught on camera in the act of vandelising government property. In the UK, with this evidence, he would be prosecuted and fined for vandelism. I will now trash my entire collection of PF vinyl records.
"Why do you say Abbas has no support among the people? He was elected, wasn`t he?" actually, he wasnt....terrorists were. And as long as your government refuses to accept peace with israel, how on earth can you say israel has a peace partner?? How can a peace partner call for israels destruction daily??
Roger Waters lives in a great big house in Hampstead, London. I doubt very much whether he would appreciate someone breaching its edifice in order to bomb him and his family because they disagree that he should be living there. It's wonderful to be an arch hypocrite when you are worth millions...
Those protestors SHOULD be beaten by the IDF because they attack the idf every time they protest. The left wing protestors are 100% as violent as any right wing protest has ever been. They are a disgrace.
Never forget that israel offered the arabs 97% of the west bank!! And they turned it down in favor of violence! Never forget that the wall only came up AFTER arab terrorism was rampant and not before. The arabs caused it with terrorism. Anyone who is stupid enough to think that there are not going to be repricussions for terrorism is now stuck behind a wall they built with terrorism. excuse my for not caring.
Why do you say Abbas has no support among the people? He was elected, wasn't he? Maybe you are referring to the obvious fact that he is completely powerless in the current climate of NO COMMUNICATION WITH OUR NEIGHBORS, the Israelis? How exactly does Abbas look to his people, when he says all the right things, but the Israelis refuse to even meet him? Oh, he hasn't done enough to stop "terror"...well, the fact is, without the cover of on-going negotiations that are bearing FRUIT on the ground (not the Israeli style of talks about talks about talks while settlements continue to expand), Abbas has little authority to combat militancy...it all is inter-related. Any Palestinian leader needs light at the end of the occupation tunnel to make progress in pacifying the people. Your Israeli leaders know this very well...but they dare not tell their people, who tend to beleive whatever comes out of the Information Ministry.
Jim, The big problem with you and your cynical thinking is the lack of ability to understand cause-effect and of course, your very short memory. Suicide bombings, other than one case in 1994, started a few months after Intifaddeh-2 and only after Israel had killed Palestinians at about an 80 to 1 clip. I am detest the practise of suicide and I believe this practise represents a complete failure in Palestinian society. However, suicide bombings are a relatively new phenom in this 50 odd year conflict. The CONCRETE WALL, however, is permanent, and it is obviously a land grab. It saps the spirit out of thousands of innocents who have nothing to do with resistance violence militancy. It will fuel more violence in the future, no doubt. If the WALL was for security alone, it should not snake through Beih Haninia, Al Ram or Beitlehem....follow? Israel created this stupid spectacle of Jewish settlers squeezed in between Palestinain cities...there are better solutions than WALLS.
It seems that the sight of inocent civilians blown to pieces by a terrorist are less damaging to the delicate eyes of this ``intelectual" than the sight of the wall that prevents them.. go figure! Just to show that my father was rioght after all: This loud music must be damaging to the Brain!!
Shahar Pe'er is seeded number 21 at Wimbledon. You go girl! Make sure you guys watch it!
What do you propose to do to stop ensuing suicide bombers from entering Israel? Anyone have a solution? And if you give a solution like "go back to the '67 borders" back up that statement with something that shows that this would indeed stop suicide attacks. Real facts please, not just how YOU personally think Palestinians would react. Can anyone do that? Anyone at all?
45,000 people singing tear down the wall. What a wonderful thought! Back to reality... When suicide attacks succeed in penetrating into Israel again, they'll be clamoring for the government to put it up. No use in tearing down the wall without the PA doing something about it's suicide bombings.
Ibrahim - Of all of the times that I've seen your postings and people's responses to your postings, I've never seen you give an answer to the following: 1) The wall (fence, whatever politically correct term you deem it) is saving lives. You can't argue with the fact that since it was built, terrorist attacks have been thwarted much more. Why should Israel tear down a wall which is much more effective than targeted assassinations at preventing suicide bombers without any promise or attempt on the side of Palestinians to prevent bombings? 2) Who can Israel negotiate with? Hamas - the group backed by the people? Or Abbas - who the people don't back? What would be the result of these negotiations? You seem to have very optimistic predictions as to the Palestinian response to negotiations. Predictions which ignore the fact that they still aren't willing to stop attacks on Israeli citizens and still aren't willing to recognize Israel's existence. Answer if you can. No excuses.
Roger Waters is an artist and he thinks like an artist! He is nore palestinian nore israeli Let him with his hopes and dreams This can't harm anybody! This is like the wall (fence) it won't kill anybody (it is even made to prevent assassinations!) But... Water don't kill anybody ...nore Madonna ;-) They are living in the world of fame!!! Enjoy the music!
Mr. Waters: It is infinitely MORE horrific to be blown to bits or burned into oblivion (G-d forbid) by a death-worshiping suicide/bomber/murderer than to build a fence as a passive defence against such a fate, but I fear such considerations are lost on you. Likewise, the difference between the declared "Pal" terrorists' policy of seeking to murder innocent civilians, contrasted with the Israeli goal of avoiding such casualties while targeting enemy combatants also seems oddly beyond your understanding or interest. Your musical declarations always had me wondering about your true intent. When you wrote, "on behalf" of economicly-disadvantaged British children, "We don't need no education" while menacing sounds throbbed in the background, it seemed you cared nothing for them either. Education is a ticket to a better life; isn't that what you pretend to want for people? I wonder.
The 1948 line is illegal too, you say. You want to throw the Jews back into the sea that they arrived from. All the lines are clearly illegal, aren't they? Asia Minor should be Muslim from (ahem) wall to (ahem) wall.
Voice of sanity can sometime be heard from the most unlikly place.....the Dark Side of the Moon.
Israelis and their world chorus are ready to lynch anyone who has the gut to speak against Israel and its mad policies and by this they think they are protecting Israel...Alas I think Israel bloody history will continue to hunt it to the grave....and It is a fact and not fiction. Keep up the hooray!!!!!!
how low can one fall.these popstars are and live the most immoral filthy lives.they take drugs and are the lowest of the low.so this lowlife is going to come to israel and tell us how to fight terror.this wall has saved hundreds of lives and this nothing is going to tell us what to do.ROGER WATERS GO AWAY AND LIVE YOUR IMMORAL LIFE BUT LEAVE ISRAEL ALONE....
Maybe it will convince a few more people that Israels behaviour outside of Israel won't do.
Cute. Roger Waters made a statement by the Berlin Wall in 1990 and now wants to make a statement here in 2006. The Berlin Wall was built to keep oppressed people from leaving. The Convergence Wall is built for saving innocents from suicide bombers. Roger Waters was not part of the solution when he came to the Berlin Wall for it already had fallen,but here he is looking to impose his ideas onto this complicated situation. I love the idea of peace.It is not a word for me synonymous with 'Appeasement' but it isnt that simple. Where was Roger Waters during the Tel Aviv massacre?
Luckily for Waters he lives in good old blighty with no threat to him or his family. He can do what he likes without the fear of being blown up. Waters and his ilk havent got a clue. They are naive do gooders who have too many opinions. Why doesnt he go and support the English in scotland who are being terrorised instead?
I can understand Israel wants to do something about suicide bombers and other terrorists, but this wall in Jerusalem is not going to work, it's ugly and formost it is dehumilating. I am not against some sort of barrier, but it has to be in another way. Which way I am not sure of, but this is not good.
Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oy!Oy!Oy! It's gonna be a late night or an early morning in this house!
tell him to send his children to travel on Jerusalem buses
"Since, my friend, you have revealed your deepest fear, I sentence you to be exposed before your peers. Tear down the wall! Tear down the wall! Tear down the wall! Tear down the wall! Tear down the wall! Tear down the wall! Tear down the wall! Tear down the wall!
Why do we have this wall? Because our government told us this wall will protect us against suicide-bombers from the west bank and bring us peace and security-nachon? The wall was made also to separate more than less the Jews from the Arabs. But interestingly in many parts along the wall, the wall is separating Arabs from Arabs, not Jews from Arabs. The wall is separating Arab farmers from their fields; the wall is separating Arab families from their Arab relatives.... A wall can be never a solution; it’s a desperate attempt to bring security to our people. but why we are building this wall not on our side, on our legal land...the whole world is condemning this wall made by Israel, because we are not following any int. laws, though we’re part of the int.community and we promised, as a democratic country we are, to respect and to follow these int. laws, as we expect it from the others too. Right? I’m NOT surprised about the negative reputation we have all over the world, because we are..
Wall = 95% reduction in suicide attacks No wall = suicide bombing in Israel every other day Conclusion? Some people prefer terrorism to concrete walls and fences.
For those of you that have the time, sit down infront of your Tv-set tonight and watch "Fence, Wall, Border" broadcasted on Channel One and then come back tomorrow and we'll all have a chat about it.
You think Reuters is bad - you should subject yourself to AFP (Agence France Presse)!!!!!
Roger Waters, alas, never knew his father - he was killed at Anzio in 1944 when the future rock star was still a baby. Waters should, therefore, spare a thought for the hundreds of children - both Arab and Jewish - who still have fathers today because of the security barrier's effectiveness at preventing terror attacks. If he really wants to protest against "thought control" he should build a bonfire of the hate-filled school books that Palestinian children learn from.
Loud and clear. Let's see if the message gets across. I mean this is Roger Waters and not some Hava Nagila black eyed piece band. "Look mummy, there's an aeroplane up in the sky"
Dear Mr. Waters, We have nothing against you making political statements when coming to Israel. But to keep at least a semblance of fairness, do go and visit victims of suicide bombers in hospitals or special care centers. Then your statments will be better accepted. Looking at both sides is the basis of any intelligent dissucsion or analysis or opinion-making.
any smart lawyer know how to get him for graffiti on public property?? ---------- In Israel maybe, but his artwork is on an illegal structure inside Palestine. The only crime here is the wall itself. Go Roger! Free Palestine!
its funny how those people suggesting the boycott didnt even get a ticket and had no intension to go! I bet you no one would be willing to give up 375 shekkels for your boycott:) go for it boycott lets see how many will join you:) oooops I forgot you wont be comming so you cant boycot:)
It makes me cringe when I see rock stars/celebrities using their position as a platform to spout garbled ideas. The analogy to me is when people associate actors with their tv roles. For example Arnie with his action hero characters. Obviously once he opens his mouth people realise he isnt an action hero at all and without a script, a huge budget and a special effects team he cant save California. Dito with this bloke. Stick to music or youll expose yourself!
Why don't we boycot Roger Water's concert? He insulted the memory of all the people who died because we still didn't have the protection fence! Why the israeli police let a tourist painting a public property? Can I do the same? Why Magen David adom humilitaed the memory of people who died for that symble just to enter in another anti-semitic organization? Why... p.s. Rogers go to make your concert in Sderot...You will not have to pay for fireworks!
Dear Roger, I love Pink Floyd dearly and I'll be seeing you tonight but there are some things you should know. 1. Tel-Aviv is not a controversial venue. Due to your baseless decision to move the concert from a venue with ample access and public transport to the middle of nowhere you will be causing 20,000+ cars to sit for many hours churning out fumes and resulting in great damage to the environment, against all your principles. 2. The fence/wall/barrier is a horrible thing that we have had to build to protect ourselves and it has saved many many more lives than it has cost, for it has cost none, and if a wire fence and a few kms of concrete is what it takes to save lives then I only have one thing to say: "Mother did it need to be so high". 3. To the Muslims in Israel/Palestine you are no hero. You represent the worst excesses of the Western culture that they despise. Your friends here are largely from the Jewish population, so don't upset us tonight by saying anything stupid.
Maybe Roger Waters does not understand that this is not a videoclip. This is real life, where children get blown up by suicide bombers. And therefore we need awall. maybe two... Now I'm really really sorry I gave him my money.
I asked about TV(!) broadcast, not radio.
any smart lawyer know how to get him for graffiti on public property??
... I would sing "Bridge over troubled Waters" for him. ;-) Viva Israel!
I appreciate Roger coming to Israel, even though I can't agree with his opinions on the fence. After all, his colleagues tried to convince him not to come to Israel. Now that you are here Roger, when you finish in Neve Shalom, proceed on the southern highway, and please visit the suffering people of Sderot. They also don't have a life anymore. They deserve their human dignity as well, and you as a human should understand that.
Mr Waters should do a benefit concert in Gaza with all proceeds going to the Israeli children who were orphaned by Palestinian suicide bombers.
Boycott Waters Pro Terror Concert!
Just another succesful in one area - getting too much attention in an area he knows nothing about - idiot. I would cancel my ticket for that if I would have planned to see him (which I have not - what is this fettish anyway idealizing soon to be pensionairs?) Tse.
AT THIS POINT I MAKE A REASONABLE PROPOSAL: 1) COMPLETE THE ANNEXATION WALL AROUND WEST BANK SO THE ISRAELIS FEEL SAFE 2) BUILD ANOTHER WALL AROUND ISRAEL SO THE WORLD FEEL SAFE IT'S TIME TO WAKE UP, ISRAEL!! ALL THE WORLD IS AGAINST YOU, ASK WHY. ONLY RACISM ?
Ask Waters how many of his relatives were killed or maimed by suicide bombers.
FINALLY, FINALLY, FINALLY, LET'S GO BACK TO THE ROOTS AND MEANING OF ROCK MUSIC, WHICH IS NOT MONEY AND CONSERVATION BUT HOPE AND CHANGE. I HAVE ALL YOUR RECORDS SINCE 1970, YOU GAVE MORE THEN ONE GENERATION OF YOUNGSTER A REASON TO FIGHT. WE LOVE YOU. TEAR DOWN ALL THE WALLS, NO ARMIES NO WAR NO RELIGION. IMAGINE !!
He couldn't get peace in his own band, haha ... how dare to come and talk nonsense to us. The next guy with paint will destroy his graffiti for good, I'm sure.
However this Roger clown got into the country it just shows: We need more walls!
so very true. the dopeheads who need a 'cause' to identify with! u mentioned: "At this time the chic left is disgusted with Israel." may be they should go into analysing as to what are the reasons for it?
Sharon would have showed him the right way, now old Roger stays blind. Only a suicide bomber at the concert could open his eyes now ...
If he is such an idiot, a useless washed out goyim, why is his concert a sell out ?. You are sad little half phallus denigrators.
What the heck, quassams are just home-made firecrackers and wouldn't be in your way,right? Save you some money on pyrotechnics. the rockets red glare, the bombs bursting in air oops wrong song, in the shovelling madness of the locomotive breath runs the all time loser headlong to his death, oops wrong song again. Roger you're so comfortably numb, how about showing us how we don't need a fence to keep us apart. Show us how it is in the real world. Give us a concert in Sderot.
roger waters is an utter moron. The wall will come down once all of Isreal is united under the Star of David. Shalom.
its a wall not a Picasso painting? its job is to offer some protection, not soothe eyes?
The concert will be broadcast live on Galei Tzahal (available on Isnternet feed) and another local Israel radio station. Read more about Waters world tour here... http://www.outsidethewall.net/rogerwaters2006.html
amkes loud discordant noises paints itself with red paint .
Roger, our wall is great, let it be! I guess without this protecting fence you would be too afraid to come here anyway, right? I hope the audience will give you protest against your protest. And when you're back home: Have fun with our ca$h, you stupid ignorant!
Is the show to be seen on TV?
"Make them laugh, make them cry, make them lie down and die"?
and eat in Israeli cafes if the wall comes down. Let's see how big you talk with your life on the line.
Welcome to earth, blind man! I guess if you would grow your children in Israel or otherwise love Israel a bit you would praise the wall which stands there to protect people of both sides. Roger, you are ignorant and noisy. Two manners I don't like about you fool.
Kolha Kavod ! Roger keep it up ...true peace campaigner...we Love you !!
Why dont these rebels listin to peace activists and the bright Israeli minds instead of acting more and more like hevrons settlers? " After him spoke Yonatan Pollak of the Anarchists. "They tell the Israeli public that this is a Security Fence. That is an outright lie. We are here 17 kilometres east of the Green Line, deep inside Palestinian territory. To our west there is already a fence. What is being built here is a fence within a fence. It has as its sole purpose to annex and widen the settlement and to imprison the Palestinians in a small enclave. That is an act of injustice which we oppose, and which is clearly a violation of international law and infringement of human rights." " -Yonatan Pollak
Save your breath on this Talkback and write directly to him at RogerWaters.com Or better yet, to his owners - Sony Music.
Let me start with that I love this man's music, everything that is except the "Wall", which I thought sucked. "Meddle" is genius. Roger has become a sublime example of what we call "Fashion Politics". this is when facile knowledge falls pray to the groovy politics and outrage of the day. Roger like any wealthy man living in Britain, has little time to bother or aknowledge all the horrors in Liberia, the Congo, Mexico, Shmoensk, or Fiji, etc. He just cannot do it. Nobody can. So he goes with the flow and latches onto the poltics of the day. At this time the chic left is disgusted with Israel. So Roger is on the catwalk once again. he gets off the plane to a cadre of photographers. He enters his hotel...click..snap snap... He heads to the wall, click click, soundbite, pose, pose, smile. Next Roger will be taking his wall thing on the road. Next month he will be in Morocco ripping down the wall built by Spain to keep out Africans. Hype....click chic
Rogers should be fined for vandalizing government property and causing harm to Israel's national security. It's one thing to come to Israel to give a concert and make millions of dollars for 4 hours of work but political agenda PR wars against the State of Israel should not be allowed. Imagine if Gidi Gov or Shlomo Artzi went to the US to give a concert in Washington DC and spray painted the walls of Congress with the words "Stop the occupation in Iraq now" or "Free the Freedom fighters of Gitmo Now".
The 1960s was probably way too kind to him.
Roger, Jewish people doesn't need your advise. Even Jesus couldn't change their mind about how they should live their lifes. That was 2000 years ago. Now, they are the single nation who have the the most Nobel Laureates among nations. If you give advise to them, it is just like an elementary school student giving advise to a PhD, in the oceans of stupidity.
Yes Waters is a wonderful musician. Pink Floyd was a fabulous band, The Wall was a terrible album. This having been said, this guy who hasn't spoken to his guitar player for twnety years is lecturing us on building walls. Pop is pop and Pop politics is best kept to roadies and groupies, who will listen to Waters and say "cool".
SalaamShalom posts,:"At least Waters hs the courage to try to build bridges instead of walls." Courage ?! He doesn't even have the sense to know what the wall is there for.!
angiolillo posts,:"Everybody knows the wall doesn`t stop suicide bombers..." Wrong !! Suicide bombings have dropped significantly since the wall/fence has been in place. You and that wacko Sullivan should see if you can't get Waters pink floyydto have a "hate fest" for the lefties.
and visit or do pilgrimage when they can. however i believe it is gods plan to get jews back to the holy land, you see if he sent them a prophet they would deny him but giving them zionezm fraudulant claims they would come running and 60 yrs latter they are still coming. the master plan! and do not think he has for saken the pals who were are jews christians and muslims. thier reward will be grater then what isis has been the last 60yrs.
He should call for the end of the arab wall of boycot of Israel instead of calling on Israel to tear down the wall that protects it from the arab terrorism. he is an idiot or worse.
Yes you are SO RIGHT about the comment not comming from within! make Aliya, Serve the Army, be part of Israel instaed of sitting in your chair and preaching!!
Another moronic performer tring to abuse their celebrity to make political Streisands...ooops I mean statements.
Jews have been living in the holy land for 5000yrs without borders darling, why start in 48? to divide land between arab and jew ! thats a crummy reason. before the land grab of 48 jews and arabs lived happly and mostly with no problems. but issues like the zionist movement and those against it did commit terror. Darling you say foolish move for the arabs well in another view it seems the isis have also been liveing in missiery! foollish for both is more like it and the arabs have a right to say this iilya is infringing on us and complain that did not work so they fight. Idf has multi million $ f16s and the pals have the bomer jacket they both kill civilians. so how is the terrorist ? it depends on wish side your on for one and two the world will blame the strongest isreal! ps i still did not get my dreck from bolder are you sure you have no contacts in the fed mail room.
I can not beleive all the criticism.Let the man have his own opinion!!After all the man is a peace fanatic and had to put his political staement forward and what better way!Yes the wall is a security barrier and I have NOTHING against it,but each person is entitled to say what the want!Why is there such pessimism about a great artist whose music is international renowned?All those who criticise,heres a message for you. "practice what you preach, and look at yourselves before judging others" Enjoy the concert!
The only reason you don't like his political views is that he's critical of Israel. If he kissed up to the zionists like Madonna did, you'd be thrilled to bits. Free Palestine!
It saves lives. ------- Of course it doesn't save lives. It takes lives, and land, and property... which is what it's all about. Surely you know the violence on both sides is due to the occupation, the illegal jewish settlements and jewish roads built on stolen Palestinian land. The Palestinians can't be blamed for responding with violence to Israeli violence. The more violent Israel is, the more violent will be the resistance. Free Palestine. And God bless Roger Waters.
The Rest of the Story? ?The Palestinians who lived previously in what is now Israel want to return to their lands as part of the peace agreement and this is unacceptable to the Israeli?s!? How about the rest of the story for those who were not born before 1967? In 1967, thirty nine years ago, all the Arab countries surrounding Israel started a war with Israel, known as the Six Day War. These countries included Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon and token troops of other Arab countries. Most of the Palestinian people living in the West Bank today were previously citizens of Jordan. The invading powers told all of the Arab people by radio to leave their lands and seek refuge in the neighboring Arab countries until they invade Israel and push the Jews into the sea! Some of us know that in those six days, the Jews pushed the invading Arab armies back to their homes. Jordan lost their army and the West Bank to Israel in the war that Jordan and their allies initiated. The west bank was captured in an invasion to annihilate Israel, and the Palestinians ran away by their own accord. ISRAEL OWES THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE NOTHING! If anything, the invading Arab countries owe the Palestinian people everything! For instance, if the United States let the Mexican citizens who lost the area of Texas in the Mexican American War, which was initiated by the country of Mexico, to have Texas returned to them? How does that sound? ?That?s the rest of the story!? Neil Golan
our mothers, fathers, teachers, granddads and grandmums.. teach us to hate.. blame them not Roger.. Jews or Palestinians
oh the injustice of the green line armistice line. Injustice because.....? The combined arab armies were supposed to win when they attacked Israel in '48, I guess there losing was not only a shame, but also an injustice. What would have happened to "occupied Israel" had the arabs succeeded and served "justice" as you call it?
" After him spoke Yonatan Pollak of the Anarchists. "They tell the Israeli public that this is a Security Fence. That is an outright lie. We are here 17 kilometres east of the Green Line, deep inside Palestinian territory. To our west there is already a fence. What is being built here is a fence within a fence. It has as its sole purpose to annex and widen the settlement and to imprison the Palestinians in a small enclave. That is an act of injustice which we oppose, and which is clearly a violation of international law and infringement of human rights." " -Yonatan Pollak
Waters still doesn't get it that the wall is being built to keep terrorists from entering Israel. Every country in the world has the right to defend it's borders and since there never was a State called Palestine, Israel has the right to define it's borders to fit her security needs. Looks like Water's Momma made all of his nightmares come true afterall.
"In the media those who demonstrate against annexation and land-grabbing in the name of the Wall are depicted as a bunch of violent rioters, though the protestors, Israelis and Palestinians alike, come out non-violently against injustice and robbery. Today the army gave proof that, as long as it refrains from provocations, such demonstrations can end without any violent confrontation taking place" said Gush Shalom spokesperson Adam Keller, who had participated in the event. "Could it be that the new criteria introduced by the army for the evacuation of settlers influence also the behavior of the soldiers here? If it would be like this again in Bil'in tomorrow afternoon, we may have a sign whether there really is a change of the army's attitude towards Israelis and Palestinians who protest the building of Walls on stolen land." http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en
saves lives
He never got on an Israeli bus, never had his car shot at never stared down a Kassam. Bye Roger, go do a concert in Saudi Arabia, then tell us about repression.
Evidently dear Roger is completely clueless as to the purpose for the wall. One might say that his perceptions and understandings lie somewhere distantly north of The Dark Side of the Moon.
Please Israel build the defensive wall higher to keep out the homicide bombers who blow up Jewish Children and innocent Jewish and Arabs Israelies. Build the wall higher to keep Sully out of Israel!
"janice even the green line is land grab of Palistine 1940s" That is true but there is not much that can be done about that now to correct that terrible injustice that was done to the Palestinians in 1948. I wish that there were but now it is necessary to focus on redressing the legitimate present day grievances of the Palesitinians.
Israel wanted to set firm borders, but the Arabs absolutely refused (so that they could try to obtain land from Israel.) It worked out the other way instead. Foolish move for the Arabs.
...march into israel blowing themselves and little children up every day? i presume that's what he wants.
"This wall is illegal and is an abuse of human rights. What kind of protection is oppression of another?" --------- It isn't "oppression" to prevent mass murders. The security fence was built for precisely this reason (ie, to stop suicide bombers from blowing themselves up among what Hamas calls the "dirty bodies" of Jews.) As for refugees - the Palestinians are on their fifth generation of calling themselves refugees. The Holocaust survivors stopped being "refugees" over 50 years ago. They went on with their lives, in other words. The Palestinians give birth in the year 2006 to babies who are credited with running away from Israel in 1948. Who does this to these Arabs? Who makes them permanent refugees until the end of time? Other Arabs and the UN do this. When Jews spent 1800 years trying to get back to the land of Israel, they didn't suicide bomb their way thru it. Going home to Israel was a happy thought - it was about the tremendous hope involved in G-d's promise to Jews.
as far as woman and children go isreal had killed to the ratio of 10 to 1 . I say the terror started with the stern gang and the hagindas and so on .... they came to kill pals so get over you S bomber fears Israel is no better may be worse! The brits were to blame anyway if it was not for them you all would be state less like the pals. lol
Quit justifying the wall. That wall is evil and it reflects the wall inside your heart. If you want to read about the true Jews who understand more than all of Israel combined about gods word, go to www.truetorahjews.org b4 its 2 late. peace
Yes in a make believe land called "magicisland" things will go as you say. But for realities sake, quit defending the wall and quit attempting to justify such a crazy thought. The wall has done damage to plenty of palestinians and reflects the wall inside every Israelies heart. Go to TRUETORAHJEWS.ORG and read what true Jews are doing and become 1 b4 its to late. peace
"Arab-Jewish coexistence village of Neve Shalom " Do the Arabs and Jews get along ok there?
Much respect for the brave statement.
you are truly misinformed about Saudi Arabia. with all their power they patiantly try to solve the israeli and pal problem. lucky for you! jeruslam is just as improtant for them as it is for you darling.
One has to be either blind or dumb not to know that the wall is really a means of stealing more and more Palestinian land. Were the wall built on the Green Line one might say that it was built for security purposes. But when it is taking agricultural land away from Palestinian farmers, separating kids from their schools, families from each other, it cannot be termed a security wall. It is a wall of theft.
good call dude ! Peace!
I hope all Arabs and Jewish concert have a supper rocking (musicaly) groovy Time. Bring down the illegal wall NOW!
How much understanding can you have of what it is to be a Palestinian born and raised in a refugee camp? There are many different kinds of lives in the Middle East, and we seek to understand both yours and theirs. This wall is illegal and is an abuse of human rights. What kind of protection is oppression of another?
I read in your news article that Pink Floyd musician, Roger Waters is urging Israel to tear down the separation wall. While the wall may be oppressive to those in the Palestinian territories, it seems to have had an impact on reducing the number of suicide bombings coming from beyond the Green Line. Since there are usually (at least) 2 sides to every story, I think it's essential that the Israeli government arrange for Roger Waters (and other public figures like him) to personally meet Israeli victims (and their families) of Palestinian terror. Then let's see what he has to say about the wall.
You would be right if he came here only as a brilliant musician, but if he choses to express political views, it's not only a stupid move but also it should be properly addressed. A musician has the advantage of not having to get into politics. Unlike other people, he can, and he should be above this. If he insists being political, he should at least know what he is talking about. If, for his controversial attitude (can you sense the cheap gimmick about "the wall"?) all he gets is a few responses in this forum but also a huge and warm audience (minus those unfortunate fans who were killed before this wall could protect them, as Innocent bystander said at #42) he can consider himself smart. It works, doesn't it?
IT'S GREAT MISTER WATERS CAN BUY HIS CRACK COCAINE IN ISRAEL,TEAR THE WALL DOWN NOW,WHAT WOULD HAPPEN THAN, WHERE WOULD HE PUT HIS JOHN DOE ? ANOTHER ENGLISH ANTI SEMITE.
to quote directly from waters song...and napply it directly back to waters..."we don't need no education" ....take that back and deliver it to your british immigrant community and the terrorists homocide bombers ...oh yea...tell bush and schwatzenegger as well..america needs no wall with mexico..le me repeat as the song does.."we don't need no education"
the latest Pearl Jam video, I forget the name, has Vedder and the boys playing on a Persian rug, wink wink. the camera cuts away several times to focus on the rug. what can this mean??
So why didn't Roger Waters do his graffiti thing somewhere on the other 92% of the separation fence. Oh yeah, duhhh, you can't write on a wire fence
He wants to please the British Moslems, antisemities and leftists. He is a coward. It would have been better for him to stay in England.
Roger Waters has no understanding of what occurs here in the middle east, hence his point of view is pretty much useless. As much as he might know concerning the issues that once plagued East and West Germany during the period of the Cold War, the Berlin Wall with the building of the Security Fence. The fence is not a barrier ment to seperate us from the Arabs, but instead from terrorist who wish to reave havick amongst Israelis who are Jews, Muslims, Druze, Christians and of a number of other faiths. The fence is not a barrier against democracy, capitalism or communism. IT IS A SECURITY BARRIER. That fence is what has and will continue to save the lives of many Israelis that would have died in suicide bombings perpetrated by Palestinian terrorist. Shame on Mr Rogers for not underestimating the ability of the fence and for seeking to destory that which is meant to protect the citizens of Israel.
The difference between the Isrealis and the Palestinians you are supporting is that the Palestinian terror groups are aiming at schools and homes, whereas the Israelis are shooting cars containing guys who shoot rockets at schools and homes and who hide in major population centers (turning their own people into human shields). There is a major difference between the brainwashing and hatred fostered among kids in the PA, and the relative openness in Israel. Not that you care.
Tear down the terrorist infrastructure. Then there won't need to be a wall.
"Roger Waters has it correct. Nobody can visit Bethlehem or Jerusalem, look at this wall, and have anything nice to say about it. It is a deep and ugly self inflicted scar on the Israelis. It makes life miserable and depressing for so many innocent people." It saves lives. Israel is up against a hideous evil that has sentenced to death every random Jew that this evil can ever get its hands on. Choosing LIFE means choosing a fence for now. Terror attacks are down by well over 90%, even with the fence only partially built. It's more than worth it.
You guys just don't get it, do you? Nobody likes to see terrorism, but then again Israel is the aggressor here. Can anyone blame the Palestinians for reacting violently to having their land taken from them? We have seen that peaceful protest doesn't work with Israel.
I have the highest respect for Roger Waters. And anyone who disagrees with what he is doing needs some sensitivity training. Judging from the racist chorus replying to this article, I would say my point is well-made.
-"The bleeding hearts and the artists Make their stand And when they've given you their all Some stagger and fall after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers Wall"- You have staggered even before you gave your all Roger.
Hey Nechama, Since when have liberals worry about facts? Theirs is a kingdom of fantasy they are not prepared to part with in face of just about ANY facts....even when they are kidnapped( if their throat is not cut like Al Qaeda is in the habit of doing) they end up going back to their Alice in the wonderland ways.....you cannot get this people into reality and that is a fact! Cheers for you and Go the Socceroos!! An Australian
Roger Waters has it correct. Nobody can visit Bethlehem or Jerusalem, look at this wall, and have anything nice to say about it. It is a deep and ugly self inflicted scar on the Israelis. It makes life miserable and depressing for so many innocent people. And Israel still to this day refuses to negotiate with the Palestinians, yet somehow they want empathy from the world... Pathetic. Go get them Roger!
What he might fail to understand is that this wall avoids people like him to be killed....if He prefers Israel can tear down the wall after sending the millions of Palis to his frontyard? Er...I did not think he might want that! Ask the Jordans...they don't either....
Hey c'mon people. I think everyone is blowing this whole thing out of proportion. We all know the Waters is basically ignorant of the situation and the reason for this wall couldn't be more different than the Berlin Wall. He's just an entertainer trying to do what's right. I think we can all agree that it would be nice to not have a wall at all. Hopefully, someday this will be the case.
He should comment of the CRAZY Jewish (American) Settlers in the Palestinian town of Hebron.
This is so great! Plus this concert will be packed with fans....it is good to see the voice of reason, maybe some of his Jew fans will get the message...I never felt that he should even of gone to Israel but seeing what he did when he got there, spoke the truth to the Israelis....makes it all the better!
so this idiot refuses to play a show in tel-aviv because he wants to be "neutral", then decides to visit a small portion of the anti-terrorist fence that propagandists love to make representative of the entire fence, and still has the nerve to spraypaint his empty idealist message on the wall. he must be coming out with an album soon! boot this guy back to the UK as soon as possible.
He's be laughable if he wasn't one of those liberals who just don't want to let the facts influence their 'liberal' thinking. If he begged the Palestinians to lay down their arms and live in peace with Israel he'd have some credibility. People like him never want to see clearly that they have been totally influenced by Palestinian propaganda. They are dreamers who see the world through rose coloured glasses. Naive and simplistic. Hey Roger...graffiti the Palestinian walls to drop their arms and live in peace. Show us you have a mind, not just a blob of a brain.
Right on brother. It is such a shame that these figures...that our youth listen to...have always sided with the wrong parties. U2, Tim Robbins and most actors/musicians are anti-US or Israel. I don't see things the way they do...how does anyone?
Let's take him(RW) for what he is- a brilliant musician. I like the music and totally do not care about his political views, his favorite colour or football club. I hope fans will enjoy the concert, come home and feel a bit safer doing all that because wall/fence works and protects even with "NO Thougt Control" sprayed on it.
Well, it looks like Roger Waters wants some extra publicity. "without being here you can't imagine how extraordinarily oppressive it is" he says. Well Roger, let's put you on a bus with a Palestinian suicide bomber and then you can tell us how you feel.
You are very insightful too. Something that cannot be said for the self-appointed zealots on this board who are blinded by hatred and fear.
Let's remember, there would be no situation in any Middle Eastern country, in India and Pakistan, or in the Far East, save Korea, if it weren't for the English screwing things up in some way. So take English advice with a grain of salt, as they don't have to deal with terrorism and war every day.
But now thanks to the wall Israel is safer and all these international activists are showing up to condemn Israel since they no longer fear being blown up by terrorists.
....catch buses to work each day in Israel and live with the constant threat of a maniac blowing himself/herself up, and see whether then he might feel a little safer with the fence. I think he would be wanting to put "another brick in the wall!!
Talking about rock band, who cares about the Pink Floyd. I like the Stones.
# 12 & # 13 are 100% CORRECT !! EXECELLENT POINTS !!!
Needless to say, the people of Israel are certainly not under "thoughts control" and are very familiar with the benefits of the barrier as compared with you sitting in California. They overwhelmingly support it because, you see, it makes it more difficult for Palestinian suicide bombers to blow up Israeli civilians. It is certainly more praiseworthy from a security and moral standpoint than the decision of your government, backed up by the nation, to invade and occupy on a pretext a country 5000 miles away.
No,I am an Israeli,and I do read both sites
Someone should explain to Waters that if the fear of suicide bombings has gone down enough for musicians such as himself to begin to come back to Israel, it is precisely because of the security barrier. Someone should also explain to him that Palestinian snipers will be unable to take pot shots at his convoy as he drives on certain sections of Israel's highway system because of those parts of the barrier that are a concrete wall. And finally someone should tell Waters that quite a few young Israeli fans of his will be unable to attend his concert because, before the barrier was up, they rode on the wrong bus or sat in the wrong cafe or ate in the wrong restaurant or attended the wrong wedding party or went to dance to his music in the wrong club. Unlike the wall, their lives are over for good.
I was pleased to see this international peacemaker not only offer a concert against racism and the kind of murderous violence we have seen the IDF perpetrating against Palestinian children over the past few days, but to also get at the heart of the matter in his graffiti at the Wall. It really is about a massive propaganda machine that has convinced Israelis of the nobility of their project, in spite of almost universal condemnation. On the other side, what could be a better indication of total mind control than the conversion of teenagers into "suicide bombers," blowing themselves and others up for their fanatical beliefs? Both sides practice cradle-to-grave ideological indoctrination that, as Waters suggests, is the main enemy of peace.
Good on you Roger! That wall is going to become Israel's prison. I feel sorry for the dissidents in Israel who oppose it.
Your remark is misplaced and not relevant.
As a Pink Floyd fan I am a bit upset by Roger's lack of comprehension and empathy as to why Israel need to build the Fence. He can be that ignorant of the facts and reality as many on this forum. His lack of condemnation of the Terror bombers eminating from Bethelem for example where he was makes me wonder whose side is he on? Hope the concert is a success but he should have been a bit more sensitive and respectful to his host country Israel.
Pink Floyed can kiss my backside. Who the hell does he think he is to tell Israel anythng? He doesn't have to live there and he hasn't lost his children or family members due to terrorist attacks. Israel has the right to protect themselves and jerks like Floyd needs to mind their own bussines and keep their mouths shut!
Jon, don't you think that might be because the Israelis are reading the Hebrew version of the site instead?
Funny most of the talker I see here are not residing in Israel Alot of johnny come lately
I love how Britain boycotts Israeli academics but has no problems with Iranian academics, North Korean academics, Saudi Arabian academics..I think there is a word for this one..anti-semitism "I'd rather have an Israel that people feel ambivolent about than an Auschwitz that everyone loves and cries over." As a leftist..I am sick of the crap we have to take.
BOO Walters Tonight YES TO THE WALL
This Phrase also goes to the Author... Any WALL by nature is an intrusion... However, Walls can be altered and torn - down ...people's lives cannot be restored... If the Palestinians had not sacrificed their own Kids for Suicide Bombers and killed Hundreds of Israelis there would not be any need for a Wall ...but until that time comes ... Thank G-D for the WALL Think before you Speak, Roger ...
"Momma do ya think they'll drop the Bomb?"...... "No Roger...they'll just walk into Tel Aviv and blow themselves up since you tore down the wall". Momma do ya think they'll tear your little boy apart?....... "Oh yes..most definitely...and how!....Zaka will have to scape your remaining bits and pieces up for burrial my son."
Hopefully Roger Waters understand that everyone in Israel hopes that one day that wall can come down and that there will be no threat to the Israeli people living on the inside. Hopefully, Roger Waters understands that Israel would have much rather spent its money on education and social protections for its citizens.
Roger, you are writing "no thought control... in the classroom" on the wrong side of the wall. Its the Palestinian children that are brainwashed from age three to be suicide bombers and frothing antisemites.... get it?
"stop palestinian terrorism!"??? we miss them, roger waters!
Again we paranoia ruling the minds of the feeble. At least Waters hs the courage to try to build bridges instead of walls. For the bricks that have built that wall may be used someday against those whom intended to protect.
What would he say if he was in a terror attack/suicide bombing by a Palestinian who was able to bypass the wall? What would he say then? I am certain that 98% of Palestinians are good people, but the 2% that are bad want us all dead. They don't care who or what they kill, and would not think twice about blowing themselves up to kill us. Anything living in Israel (including Arabs as we have seen) is a target - including Mr Waters.
Everybody knows the wall doesn't stop suicide bombers. Just like banning guns won't stop a bank robber or a psyco killer. The wall is about collective punishment, hiding from the reality of the occupation, and grabbing more land. That is all it's for, thought control and land. An abomination and Israel's humiliation.
Will this dillitante in Middle East politics demand that Palestinians stop terrorism from the stage when he does his concert in Israel? Probably not. I'm burning my Pink Floyd albums and CDs as I type this.
Roger, the Berlin Wall was built to keep innocent people in a country. Israel's defensive shield is to keep mass murders out. Why hasn't one of our "brilliant" PR people thought of taking him to the homes of the Jewish victims of these Arab murderers, who are suffering today because we hadn't built the fence earlier out of fear of offending people like Roger
Spraypainting walls... Arrest him for defacing public property.
The Berlin Wall came down in the 1980's and Russian Jewry was able to leave and make aliyah. The fact that one wall came down and another was built is not entirely unconnected... It's sort of the division between East and West... When there is true peace, that wall will come down, but first neighbors have to learn to live with each and respect one another. That ain't happenin' in a lot of places on this Earth, at this point in time. At present, this wall is serving a purpose as a deterrent and so it must stay. It is so to speak, a fence around the Torah, and will remain until we find a way around it and there is cooperation in the region with true recognition of Israel. BeEzrathaShem, and G-d willing, we shall one day live to see that day, if not our children, then our children's children.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.
Roger Waters reacts to the ugly reality and what do we hear here? Jeers, mockery and scorn. Belittle and attack a career. Sore just because they couldnt find tickets? I hope to God once he returns to Europe he will spread the word and lend his support to the British boycott of Israeli academics. Kol Hakavod Roger!
indeed, he has 'no thought control' and given his views I suspect he relies on the british media to do his thinking for him.
The Berlin wall kept the citizenry from leaving. This wall keeps the murderers from entering.
Its from smoking all that "grade A" pot one gets as a wealthy rock muscian.
How can someone be so pathetic? Is he just saying stupid stuff to attract attention to himself? His popularity levels must be really down; the guy is desperate! Is it really possible that he might not know WHY the wall is there?!
and guess what: the Wall, which was designed to keep out the Scots, is now surrounded on BOTH sides by English territory. Analogous situation to the Great Wall of China.
TEAR DOWN THE WALL when the arabs recognize Israel, respect the rule of law, make peace, stop the violance, give women their equal rights, freedom of religion,press, and the recognition of borders, then TEAR DOWN THE WALL!!!
but that would have made it impossible to spraypaint his inane graffiti. Plus "Tear down this fence" doesn't sound so cool.
He's a proud supporter of peace, get his washed up butt out of Israel! Arrest him for incitment of the peace camp.
Just like the ISM, Roger Waters should be given the appropriate treatment.
The same Reuters that was voted by CAMERA as the most anti-Israel mainstream news network? Surely not!
See what drugs will do to you?
who the hell needs roger waters anyway? he should stay out of israel the leech. maybe if he saw what these terrorists do then he might get the picture.he is one sided
He calls a wall "horrific"?!? what does he call decapitated heads and body parts strewn on bloody pizza parlor grounds?
Perhaps this genius' first stop should have been to the many whose lives and bodies were shattered by the Arabian homicide bombers. What an immoral dirtbag.
TEAR DOWN THE WALL. Well, there is a bright side of the moon. Thank you Roger.
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