Peretz: Government must pay settlers to evacuate

You're really confusing me Paul. What 1924 Treaty did the US sign that recognized Israel back then? Did our Senate ratify it? We never were part of the League of Nations and had nothing to do with the trusteeship. Are you saying Israel was already a state during WWII?

iam just wondering .. when WW2 was happening the palentines where living in isreal and well the european jews where "the refugees".. and they where moved too isreal for what, cause no body wants them invading their country ? so who is taking whos homes away ? its not the palentines its ppl like you .... please leave USA and go to another place ... we dont need bigots leaving in a country of freedom cause you ppl dont believe in freedom ... go home please .

if its your land then please leave USA so us americans can have our own land back ..... and also please dont ask for no handouts .. cause this American isnt supporting freeloaders in zionist/Isreal .....

well Karen sorry to burst your bubble .. but see the palentines are your family too .. since abraham had two sons one was a jew Issac and another was a palentine Ishmael .. and since this is true . you are kicking out your own family out of lil country you were propably never born in where they where .... european jews are called european for a reason they were not BORN in Palentine/Isreal .... cant you people get along ... what you people still think your GOD's chosen people ? cause to let you know we are all GOD'S chosen people . no one is better then the rest .. and Paul was not beening racist .. that is just a mentality of a super ego person to think they are better then the rest of the world cause their belief is jewishism ... and who is beening a racist ? give you a hint ... Look in the mirrior .

The settlers have already been living off Palestinian land. The State should compensate them for occupying their land. Observer

excuse me ? your comment " I bet the poor US tax payer suckers will foot the bill to move these Jewish terrorist settlers. The US congress is the just another occupied territory". I for one is an American who dont think my taxes should be supporting a bunch of lazy jewish freeloaders who terrorist killing innocent children for a country that isnt theirs in the first place .... the only suckers in America are the ones who supports Bush and his terrorist zionist regime .

the USA IS BOUND BY A 1924 TREATY TO GRARANTEE THE BORDERS OF ISRAEL ON THE LINES OF THE 1922 MANDATE . DONT WRITE UNLESS YOU KNOW !!!

First Photos of HolyLand! http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~dhershkowitz/

TransJordon was part of the origianl Israel (Jewish Palistine Mandated Jewish Homeland. STUDY THESE LINKS AND OTHERS! http://www.jafi.org.il/education/100/maps/mandate.html http://www.jafi.org.il/education/100/maps/bpart.html

As I recall, US policy has been that the US would not pay for the building of or removal of colonies on occupied territory... (Remind me if the US overtly paid for the Gaza pull-out.) Whether the US paid overtly or not, I find the question one of "creative bookkeeping." Let's make an analogy: if my son asks for and gets an increase in his allowance, promising that he won't spend it on anything I wouldn't approve of, I would be freeing up his income from his part-time job to do what I wouldn't approve.

I strive for perfection. Right now the boils and pustules are pretty evenly distributed. I am all the rave at the "Why did we do that to Ourselves Ghosts of Mossada Ball". We're trying to contact real living people for funding for "The Ghosts of Mossada" memorial in Washington DC and the capital cities of Europe. Maybe you could help us out in your country. Ya know, with a few more "humanity has abused the Jew" memorials, we might finally have enough support to get the UN Security Council to pass a resolution that it is illegal, punishable by death, to be a Palestinian. Next maybe we could do the same to the Jordanians, Turks, Greeks, Italians. Heck we might even be able to enforce a similar resolution regarding someones "Dutchness". Imagine - public bathrooms - one labeled "Jews Only", the other "Non-Jews". Pretty soon there will be just chosen flesh, and we can remove the "Non-Jew" bathrooms. What a world that will be!!! After the final solution, you can be Prince of Holland!

The longest military occupation in modern world history, the illegal settlements, the illegal wall; there are enough newsworthy events and situations to report without politicizing the issues at all.

The illegal occupation, since 1967, of the Palestinian territories made Zionism, which was, in the beginning, the national liberation movement of the Jewish people, a colonial power. The colonists are only one small minority, but they block the Israeli political system. Zionism is obviously not a form of racism, but a part of the fanaticized colonists are shameless racists. Their excesses lead some to question not only the Zionist colonialist project, whose characteristic is not to take into account the borders of 1967, but even the legitimacy of the State of Israel inside these borders.

Any sources you'd like to quote for your pronouncement on Jewish Palestine and Arab Palestine or are you just reminding us of the state of US education? Hmmm. "Arab mind control." Would you care to elaborate a bit? OK, you got the king of Jordan's name right. Can you name the capital? (Capital letters is YELLING so I'm now wondering about the state of Southern manners at this time.)

How so "unhelpful" old darling ? M.

Almost a year since they have been expelled, most Jews from Gaza got NOTHING! Nothing except humiliation, their destroyed communities, and destroyed thriving businesses. (The missiles on Sderot are just an extra bonus from the Gaza expulsion.) So tell me, do you really expect expulsions to go easily from now on? Hell no.

Yes, LET JORDAN PAY THE ARAB 'SETTLERS' ON JEWISH PALISTINE SOIL (ISRAEL) TO MOVE TO ARAB PALISTINE (JORDAN) NO MORE ARAB MINDCONTROL!!!!! and LIES!!! ISRAEL IS JEWISH PALISTINE AND JORDAN IS ARAB PALISTINE IF ABDULLAH CANT HANDLE IT THEN HE CAN GET MOVE! THE JEWS CAN HANDLE IT!

Your nastiness is as malodorous as the condition of your body.

You talk of Israel as "here". Tell me the secret of how to be in two places at the same time.

Today's prize for the least helpful comment.

The best plan would be: 1- Give just compensation for those settlers who leave willingly, (but only once). 2- Those who deo not want to leave can live (at their own risk) under Palestinian rule. 3- Zahal is to be pulled back, and will not be responsible for the remaining settlers.

Anoosh(or whatever your real name is) the US Taxpayer is not paying to to move these Jewish terrorist settlers. Stop being a rebel rouser.

Yishai, you are sick. If in fact the land was OURS as you say, there would be no problem, but being willing to sacrifice one's family to hold on to userped land is criminal and sick.

Seth, If it was not the government's policy at the time when the settlement was started, I agree with you. Since I do not have the facts, cannot say if the people were not asked (at that time) to settle the area.

What other society offers to pay thieves for giving up stolen goods? these settlers never had any right to the land.

even the forum is not so bad, but I can't stand this man who would promot anything just to have a pay check. Feel sorry for his wife who is the resedent of Sderot. And by the way, no one is going to move from the west bank. There are going to be more towns for jews there this year alone.

the usa has around $13trillion outside the usa . the us taxpayer is paying nothing and the external lenders and holders of $$$$ are paying!!! the $$ will keep falling and the debt will eventually probaly be lost

I have met many people in "Israel-proper" who are only waiting for good tax brake to move outside the Green Line. Not everyone in Isral is there for ideological reasons. Let`s offer good tax brakes, housing at comparable prices in comparable communities in the Efrat and Hevron and see what happens. Not everyone would do it but some would!

I bet the poor US tax payer suckers will foot the bill to move these Jewish terrorist settlers. The US congress is the just another occupied territory.

I have met many people in Yesha who are only waiting for compensation to move back inside the Green Line. Not everyone in Yesha is there for ideological reasons. Let's offer comparable housing at comparable prices in comparable communities in the Negev and Galilee and see what happens. Not everyone would do it but some would!

ISRAEL IS IN TRUST FOR ALL JEWS WHATEVER THEIR ORIGIN ON THE TERRITORY OF THE PALESTINE MANDATE!! IT IS WRONG FOR ANY GOVERNMENT TO DEPORT JEWS OR FORCE THEM TO MOVE !! THIS IS THE POINT MADE ABOUT PERETZ AND THE LOONY LEFT. WHATS GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER !

Mary Americans are very unhappy with how the American govt. treated the Inidians. The relationship between the whites and the reds is damaged and there are a lot of deep wounds.Not everything America did or does is always right. One needs to fix mistakes.

The American Indians would probably like to gte some compensation from the pale faces too. M.

I had thought this sort of nastiness had been put behind us. When I was in Israel thirty years ago there was this kind of prejudice, but supposely it had been outgrown. We are all Jews - whether from the US, Morocco, Poland, France, whatever. Mr. Peretz has just as much right to be in Israel - and in the Israeli government - as any other Jew. Like it or not, we are all one family - left, right, center, Ashkenazi, Sepharadi, and all the rest. Sorry Paul, you're stuck - we're all some kind of cousin however many times removed, and calling names won't change it.

Too funny, Sephardic Jews have more of a right to Israel and European Jews! They never left the region...you did! Hence, they still look in phenotype, more like Semites than their European counterparts that bring a European way of thinking which is unnatural to the region and the state.

New studies on demographics have shown that by the year 2025 Jews will still have a clear majority by 67% if not more. So what is Olmert talking about. There is absulutely no reason to retreat. In fact, the studies do not take into account the amount of Arabs that will end up leaveing. There are some reasons to have hope. 1) the generation that voted for people like Tommy Lapid are headed for retirement homes and will take there anti-Jewish views with them. 2) the generation that was born just prior to and after oslo will have a chance to vote and understand Arab demands on a basic level. 3) the more traditional Shomer Shabbat Jews have more babies and have also moved to Israel in large numbers and they will vote. Once Olmert steps down, it will be game over for the PA terror game.

That is B.S. ,the settlers have gooten so much monies from the government in the past in the way on low cost housing, tax breaks,and the huge amount of monies spent on protecting them from the arabs. That is why the rest of the country is suffering financially. There is no monies for improving educational institutions, not enough monies for the health baskets, thus leaving cancer,and other patitients having to pay for some medications out of their own pockets. Enough is enough,if they want to stay there let them,just cut back on support for them, and fix what is wrong inside the green line before you change the borders again!

Strange laws in Israel. In Florida if a guy is squatting on your property the property owner can shoot him. I guess Palestine does not have a law like that. At the very least, if a criminal squats on someone elses property he is arrested for tresspassing. Only in Israel is tresspassing on another sovereign's property protected by an evangelical dominion claim and called "settleing". That's a good `un. Only in Israel is the removal of criminal tresspassers from anothers property called an "evacuation" instead of an "arrest" or "eviction". So tell us, how much is the US taxpayer going to [again] have to belly for the so called "evictees". It was 250,000$ per person last time around. What will it be this time? You know this "evacueee' businnes is pretty good for low IQ, low prospect individuals. One could make quite a living just moving into a settlement and then get paid to evacuate. I wish we could do that in America! Time is short Israel - come to your senses.

Can I assume that you also favor Arab nations compensating the Jews that were driven from Arab nations in 1948? Should these Jews be compensated for the homes and property that the Arab government seized? Can I assume you favor the PA, as representative of area Arabs, paying compensation to Jews who lost their homes to Arabs during the Jerusalem and Hebron progroms of 1929?

cry cry stick a needle in your eye. World opinion is against you. No one is listening to you.

before everyone gets carried away with emotion about this compensation idea, let us look at the facts. 1 the jews who were kicked out of arab lands also deserve compensation. 2 this compensation is cancelled out by the compensation some say are due to arabs who left pre state Israel. 3 These arabs are not in the usual sense refugees they are displaced persons. 4 It is unlikely that they will ever accept compensation because what they want is not a 2 state solution but a ONE state solution -; SO NO DEAL! WHY THEN WORRY. There will never be a deal.

So according to the Shtetlers, G_d did the real estate paperwork on this land. Now they want to sell it. Sure, why not. They will just come back later say "G_d gave us this land so it is ours" and kill the people living there. Then they can sell it again. And again ? No, by then G_d may become tired of being spat at.

HAVE you ever seen where king davids kingdom was on the map.TODAY if you look into a map it is called WEST BANK which is occupied by the Arabs.LAND for money no thank you.

The Govt encouraged , egged on , financed with cheap loans , gave bonuses for the settlers to move to the West Bank. The land was free to the govt. and the settlers since it is confiscated land at NO COST . Now that the govt wants the settlers (possibly) out , the govt. must pay them again?. For what ??? What a racket. Were would I sign up... to get$ 300,000 for nothing. Jews from Inquisition Spain are still holding the keys of their homes and demanding the Spanish Govt that they be paid. If this is the case , why should we be surprised and insulted when the Palestinian Arabs demand the right of return and compenstation for their confiscated property under the absentees Laws of 1949????? PS : Jews who lost proeprty in Arab countries should be compenstated when and if we compensate the Palestinians..... May be then we start the see the signs of a just peace....

God does not deal in real estate. The kingdom of GOD perhaps is the kingdom of heaven. The Torah , the Bible or the Koran are not deeds for earthly peoperty or land... Land does not belong to anyone. After we are all dead and gone , we will all belong to the land , mother earth ( dust to dust , ashes to ashes) and it will belong to noone .

THERE is no reason to comnsate the ARABS because the JEWS are giveing land away that GOD has given to them.AND tell me where it sayes in the koran that ISREAL belonges to the ARABS.

I always thought Sharon made the Gaza evacuation as traumatic as possible to avoid pressure for further withdrawals. Half the settlers are there for the cheap housing and social benefits they cannot get inside the green line. Put some cash on the table now and lessen the need to evict later on.

You all should have thought about this BEFORE you decided to build your houses on somebody else's property.

I have seen the maps I have also been to Hebron. Borders of the entire West Bank can be drawn that can include a great majority of the settlements and be secure without a large Arab population. Jewish section of Hebron the religous sites near Hebron has religous signifcance so it has to be kepted.

and will they be compensating the arab population whose land they stole in the first place ?

Have you even ever been to Hebron. All relgiious Jews, who make up 50% of israel, want Hebron. Did you see the "respect" the arabs had for our other holy sites likes josephs tomb?? Also, u make it sound like the poor innocent palesintians are being bullied by the Jews of Hebron when it is the other way around. arabs in Hebron shot and killed a three month old baby in a park. is that poor and defenseless???

I'm not sure if you are aware of where the settlements are but you cannot have secure borders with settlements within the territories...for example...take a map out and see where Hebron is.....how can you retain Hebron AND have secure borders? and why must the Israeli population be held hostage by a few hundred settlers in hebron (for example) that not only choose to live amongst thousands of Palestinians but even terrorize them while hiding behind (cowards) the IDF.

Well, It is long due to have all the settlers get out of the Palestinian Land. Palestinians are the most giving people in history if they agree to two state solution. I think they should ask Israel to pay rent on the land they have or have them pay its realestate cost.

THE more land ISREAL gives the more KASSEM it will get.BUT for some reason the LIBRAL ISREAL GOVERMENT does not under stand it.THEY think that threw appeasement they can make peace.LET'S call this the CHAMBERLIAN movement.

ITS NOT AS EASY AS TYPING YOUR POSTING TO HAARETZ. THE EQUIVALENT OF TWO NEW TOWNS IS REQUIRED WITHIN 5 YEARS . ISRAEL CANT MEET ITS OWN REGULAR DEMAND FOR ACCOMODATION!!

Olmert Selling Israel OUT. Giving away Israel piece by piece. He is lieing to the Israeli public.

HAARETZ, WHO ARE YOU WORKING FOR?

"Justice Minister Haim Ramon proposed a few weeks ago that the state begin paying compensation to settlers who want to leave as soon as the separation fence is completed." - Haaretz If the evacuation is to take place in 18 months, there is really no time to waste. The Gaza lesson is that it is not simple for the evacuees to find housing and jobs. The more gradual the process, the better, especially since 10 times as many people as in Gaza will be moving. Enough of the region slated for evacuation is known already, before the fence is complete. One can apply the evacuation-compensation law to these regions, and expand them to more as they come securely behind the fence. For example, the fence in Samaria is complete, except for the incursion into the Ariel region. One can then have all settlements in Samaria, except those west of the Ramallah-Jenin road be approved for compensation. (Actually, can refine and make the eligible area larger.)

It's high time they stopped terrorising and holding the nation to ransom.

it is notning more then Propaganda for the present goverment. No one needs to get involved, let the people live where they like.

Mr. Peretz is showing a good understanding of social dynamics here. Not all the settlers are right-wing crazies. Many are quite sensible, normal people who chose to live in the territories for religious or economic reasons, but would not want to be involved in breaking the law or any form of violence. One factor in the trauma of evacuation is uncertainty about the future and the loss of community, particularly if it's sudden. Mr. Peretz's plan for gradual evacuation, evacuation in groups and "twinning" communities would go far toward helping people leave voluntarily. He should also realize that some people who would like to leave may be prevented from doing so by community pressure and threats. He should make it possible for people to make arrangements privately and leave quickly before their neighbors can exert threats and excessive pressure.

What worries me is that Peretz didn't specify which government he wants to pay the squatters to evacuate. Just don't come knocking on Uncle Sam's door for a handout. He's broke.

Yishai, I sincerely hope you stay in our shared homeland even after the State of Israel relinquishes its control over the West Bank. Regards, Tareq

I wonder how many Jewish "settlers" of Lod, Ramla, Acco, South Tel Aviv etc. would leave if the gornment offerred them compensation. Is the government ready to offer Arabs the same deal to leave Tira, Tamra, Uhm el Faham? What a dangerous and foolish idea, it could only have come from Chelm.

The settlers and their supporters are the only ones to delude themselves into thinking it is the Israeli government's duty to protect them. A lot of Jews have been living in Biblical Israel even before the birth of the Zionist movement. To live in Biblical Israel, nobody needs a Jewish state. If our leaders had wisely decided to keep the Territories free of settlements, a Palestinian state could have been established a long time ago, for Israel's own benefit. Then all Israeli citizens willing to live there, in Biblical Land, could have applied to the legitimate authority to be allowed to do so. Just think of all the blood which would not have been spilled, and of the enormous ressources not wasted. To believe they could forever enforce their presence on a weaker foreign people, this has been the settlers' foolish and tragic mistake. If they cannot be bought, they can be evacuated by force. To ensure its very survival as a Jewish and non-apartheid state, Israel will have no other choice. Too bad. Recommended reading : "So misled by the leaders" - Amos Elon's review of Tom Segev's book "1967: And the Country Changed its Face" (still in hebrew only). In Haaretz July 22, 2005.

TAKE THE REST OF THE LOONY LEFT WITH HIM!!!

Israel has really no choice, it either retains the West Bank by forcibly assimilating the territories (somehow without its inhabitants) or implements the tactful strategies engineered by Israel's statesmen to save the Jewish population from a forced merger of Palestine and Israel into once state (obliterating Jewish majority soon). A 2-state solution, implemented quickly, is the only hope for peace in the region....why can't the religious fanatics on both sides see that?

How about compensating the Canaanites for the loss of the biblical Canaan ? M.

If you relly thought OLmerts idea was crazy you would pick yourselves up from your life in America or anywhere outside of Israel and move here to help us out!! Think how amazing it would be if real communities came and moved in with the settlers, think how surprised the world would be at our strength!1 We need you now!

Paying compensation to "settlers" is like giving thieves a reward to return their stolen loot. M.

Peretz should compensate Sderot residents to evacuate the city becuase life of the city become much more danderous than settlements of Judea-Samaria. Also Government can't solve the Kassam attacks due to their leftist agenda. So we have much more right and urgencies to get these compensation pakage.

The settlers are people much like ourselves, who are for the most part not willing to be bought. They will not sell out and should not. They for the most part will not sell their values for material well being. Their aspirations, chief of which is living in Biblical Israel, will not be abandoned and why should it be? They have attained some measure of fulfillment, far more than Peretz and Olmert can offer. Peretz' and Olmert's contempt for the people they are supposed to protect is all too readily apparent.

This idea has merit so long as cheating can be kept to a minimum and the WB housing left behind is permanently sealed or destroyed so squatter settlers or hilltop youth can't get to use it. The twinned towns should be inside the green line, preferably in areas slated for new development like Gallilee or the Negev. If you build it, they will come. With some guarantees, you might even get the Saudis to help finance the moves.

I think it's a great idea! The Palestinians have already compromised to live on what they see as 22% of their land (mandate Palestine). I whole-heartedly agree with compensating them for the land taken up by settlements. I think we should give them desert! See if they can do as good a job as Israel making the desert bloom. Do we really need all the sand in the negev?

According to today's Yediot Acharonot: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3266344,00.html "Two polls conducted for Avigdor Lieberman?s Israel Our Home party showed that some 70 percent of Israelis are opposed to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert?s realignment plan. The polls, conducted by Shvakim Panorama under the supervision of American strategist Arthur Finkelstein, also revealed that some 65-70 percent of those who backed last summer?s Gaza disengagement object to the West Bank withdrawal plan. In addition, the survey showed that 70 percent of Israelis who backed the Gaza pullout would have been against it today."

Why not pay the Arab "refugees" to resettle elsewhere? As "refugees" according to the UNRWA definition, this means that they are not in their permanent homes anyway, so why not give them money to find their permanent homes in a place that is not west of the Jordan River? Pay them to move to Lebanon, or Syria, or Jordan, or Egypt, or elsewhere.

There is no body of evidence to support the idea that you can trust in or believe an Israeli government.

There will be no more ethnic cleansing of Jews from OUR land. There's no support for it in Israel, and there's no support for Olmert's plan outside of Israel either (for different reasons).

If the people who moved voluntarily to the areas that will be evacuated "bought" their property, they should be appropriately compensated. If they received generous government handouts to live there, they should receive a few dunams and a mule in the Negev.

Does anyone remember a place called Gaza? - It's a cesspool now, used to launch rockets at Sederot, Alumim, etc. Gaza used to have lovely homes and greenhouses (remember them?) which provided jobs for thousands of Palestinians. There was at least the semblance of an argument for Israeli civilians leaving that land; however, almost all of the assumptions underpinning the reasons for giving up Gaza have been proven utterly mistaken. The army still has to operate there, but without any friendly base of ooperations. Remember, as well, the promises of the Government to compensate those who left voluntarily ...? We know how well all of that turned out. Why not do it again with higher stakes at risk? Yeah, that's the ticket.

Oh please twin me up with Sderot so that I can have " housing, jobs and schools ready." And just where does he expect to find the big $$$$$$ for his wet dream?

Peretz is a terrible defense minister. The Jews of Sderot are a microcosim of terror to come. G-d will stop this government. The hearts of the left will be hardened by greed and the vote will not pass. The government will fall and a new Jewish government will take over.

He is a idiot. Give up more land for the poor Palis. How about secure borders instead of giving away our land.