Palestinian Christian activist stabbed to death in Gaza

But, sadly, I doubt it. You'll be posting fantasies and ignoring facts again soon.

the missionary didn't take the hint...3x30, enough already...

Well, that made me LOL, as they say..the part about the garlic for his last meal! But WTF, it sounds more like some sado-macho setup than a harem if everyone has to wear dog collars...no, more like white-slavery, even... I wonder if a person is allowed to read while sitting on the floor on cushions wearing a velvet dog collar and waiting one's turn while hoping against hope no garlic is involved! In a fearsome scenario like that one, reading would be the last and only pleasure left! Unless....perhaps a person could talk her way out of it; I'd be quite good at that. I'd say, No, it's her turn!...pointing at every other girl in the room also on the cushions. Actually it sounds more like a comedy in some ways...

If I had said 30-30, that would have indicated a rifle calibre--Winchester 30-30-----However, my 30 was to indicate the end of a story, it was used by reporters to indicate the end of the article they were writing---My 3x30, clearly said "ENOUGH ALREADY"

What couches, you sit on floor cushions, try hiding under one---Have you ever seen electronic dog collars, they use them to train dogs at a distance, mainly for dogs hunting in the field---They can put some velvet around one, and you'll jump real quick--It's locked on like the mask was in "The Man in the Iron Mask"--You will literally jump to attention when called---Your last hope is that the boss didn't have garlic with his last meal---

FINAL FINAL FINAL...but I just have to know...what's this mean that you wrote: "he was a Christian from Gaza, one of their own, shown home grown hospitality---39-30-30-30" The numbers, I mean?? Years ago, it's said, natives used to eat missionaries, and quite right too. That'll show 'em...shut them up into the bargain... But...the 39-30-30-30?? Regards PS: I certainly agree about lack of border control and its unfortunate results, too.

"The Eunuch will tell you when it`s your turn--- Like it or not, you WILL participate and smile while doing so---You would have no choice, just another instrument, like the frying pan in the kitchen" Sounds like an awfully tempting lifestyle...I don't think:) Okay then, when I saw the Eunuch walking down the corridor in the direction of the harem, I'd quickly make myself scarce...hide under the sofas, behind the curtains, in the bathroom, in the closets...the Eunuch couldn't dare go back empty-handed, so to speak, so surely he's gotta choose someone else in that case??

wants to be considered, it's out of your hands and mine--- This my FINAL-FINAL on this Every country has the right to establish their rules as they see fit---You may not like it, but, that?s the way it is---If the U.S. had enforced its border controls in a proper manner, we wouldn?t be Inundated with more than 15 millions Illegal aliens who have jumped our borders ? Let me put it this way, your right to express yourself stop at the tip of my nose? If missionaries want to be devious, the should be happy they didn?t get the Gaza treatment--- In case you overlooked it, he was a Christian from Gaza, one of their own, shown home grown hospitality---39-30-30-30

The Eunuch will tell you when it's your turn--- Like it or not, you WILL participate and smile while doing so---You would have no choice, just another instrument, like the frying pan in the kitchen---

There are several popular brands of Israeli style salads made in the U.S...One of them is "Sabra"---You can try an arab grocery, they'll also have that style of food---The only thing I had to get used to in Israel was the water---It gave me the Israeli version of montezuma's revenge---I did have a problem one time when I went to Jerusalem with some of the guys in my Mishtara (Police) course, had some french fries (chipsim) and had one bad case of the runs---I thought the oil was left over from Moses' trip from Egypt---

"Just make certain that there`s adequate protection around, so you`re not the receipient of an unwanted gift---Need I say more???" I certainly do, and one of the good things about our free society/country is that you don't have to do certain things if you don't want to, and I have hardly ever wanted to bother doing that! Like you said, some people like it, others not much...:)

All right then, this'll be all I'll say on it either...just that by the standards of the Middle East, deporting is mild, but Israel wants to be considered by the standards of the West and Europe, which is what i'd read here, and as such, deporting in a democracy is intolerant. I am not in favour of people going round yapping about religion for converts...the Jehovahs Witnesses did that to my friend Niki, I think I told you, and if she hadn't been very confused and unhappy at the time they came to her door, she'd have never let them in. That was two years ago and now she's converted to their religion..I've had arguments with her over it and with them when I see them at her home...to no avail. I agree with you that missionaries, as they care, entice people and are not honest...I said as much to her and them. I understand about how victims are selected...Mormons do it too, and I don't approve. But in a democracy anyone can say anything, surely you agree? Regards

No, I think you just said that you were not used to it to IDF food at first...I'm the one who doesn't like olives or pickles..you'd told me about loving herring!! I've never seen any Israeli salads here where I live, though..only some gifilter fish in little glass bottles. I like those mazos (?) though, with butter and marmalade on them:)

That's not what I meant about "sharing"---Just make certain that there's adequate protection around, so you're not the receipient of an unwanted gift---Need I say more???

Anyone come to Israel is received as a guest. As such, he must abide by house rules--- Any non-Jew living in Israel is entitled to practice his religions freely-- Must I remind you that Israel deports them, and doesn't execute---By the standards of the Middle East, it's very moderate---The real problem is that when missionaires entice people, they aim for those least able to resist them---They're not forthright and very deceptive---If I had the time and the inclination, I could write reams about how they select their victims---Confusing the already confused and distressed---ON this subject, that's all I'm going to say about it---

I don't recall telling you that I didn't like the IDF food---I happen to LOVE olives, black or green, pitted or with pits in---I usually have three or four packs in my frig at any given time---Despite my wife's not liking them, I married her anyway---My other addictions are herrings of most types, sour pickles, roasted peppers, etc. Anytime we go to the supermarket in Philadelphia, we purchase some of the ready made Israeli salads, Hummus, Turkish, Babaganoush and anything that strikes our fancy---Pita bread can always be found in our frig along with regular breads---Nothing quite like a nice tomato, cuke & green pepper salad to go along with the Israeli ones---

"Just keep in mind, when you share, you share all the contacts your partner and his partners have shared with their partners" Oh, I thought you meant the harem we were talking about before, the sharing...let's see, if there are four wives, and perhaps four concubines, that would make it one turn about every eight days, which wouldn't be too bad; however, I bet such a guy wouldn't go along with my idea of jolly ol' British fair play, which means sticking strictly to the schedule!

"Depends upon how you look at it---There are those that enjoy it each and every nite at every opportunity--- Yes, but that's mostly guys, don't you think? Only one of my friends is always going on and on about it...my goodness, am I and her other friends glad when she's going out with someone... "Being relegated to occasional duty would make they feel deprived and disfunctional" If we're talking about the harem, I'd be glad of the deprivation:)

...for a democracy, it seems to me (your quote below) "Proseltyzing is against the law in Israel--- The penalty is far less severe, they get expelled, not killed" The whole idea of a democracy is that anyone can say anything they like anywhere at any time...how can Israel impose this law which is more suited to an Arab theocracy or dictatorship?? I'm really surprised at Israel over this as it is a democracy... Regards

"As for myself, when we go to Israel, we don`t stay at hotels, our friends would be offended---Nothing quite like home cooked meals, though we do eat out when the foods are a bit different--Inviting our friends to join us" Sounds like you have a very nice time...after all these years you like the food..I remember you telling me when you first went into the IDF you weren't used to the food! I wouldn't like all those olives... Have you seen that advert on TV that shows many different views of a country and says, "It's majestic, it's beautiful, it's fun, it's sophisticated...it's Israel! Who knew? the commercial for tourism?! Regards

When slavery was allowed in the U.S., wealthy white boys and girls had personal servants assigned to tend their every needs---If the white child misbehaved and merited punishment, his/her slave servant suffered the whipping--- All you have to do is look up "WHIPPING BOYS".. Now, just think, if the husband of four and the master of the harem is displeased, he may assign the task of "whipping girl" to the one that displeases him the most, not wishing to injure the flesh of the prettiest---

Just keep in mind, when you share, you share all the contacts your partner and his partners have shared with their partners---It's virtually endless, like sand on the beach---

Depends upon how you look at it---There are those that enjoy it each and every nite at every opportunity---Being relegated to occasional duty would make they feel deprived and disfunctional---The glass is half full or half empty---Depends on how you look at it---

Proseltyzing is against the law in Israel--- The penalty is far less severe, they get expelled, not killed---They knew it when the sneaked in under false pretenses of being ordinary tourists---

Tourism anywhere at all looks forward to increased traffic--As for myself, when we go to Israel, we don't stay at hotels, our friends would be offended---Nothing quite like home cooked meals, though we do eat out when the foods are a bit different--Inviting our friends to join us---

"Haven`t you seen movies where the women in the Harem, luxuriate among silk covered pillows and are bedecked in tons of Jewels, smelling from exotic perfumes---Just imagine yourself in that situation---One wife of a cast of four or as one of many concubines" That sounds quite tempting, actually...I don't mind sharing!

"One dress for year round wear" Why only one, for goodness sake? Even if it has to be black, there should at least be one for every day of the year to make up for it.. "women in the Harem, luxuriate among silk covered pillows and are bedecked in tons of Jewels, smelling from exotic perfumes---Just imagine yourself in that situation---One wife of a cast of four or as one of many concubines" Yes, that doesn't sound too bad at all...as long as I was allowed to read, of course. And again, being one of many means I wouldn't be obliged to do the other thing every single night! See, there's the good part:)

"That "Poor Man", knew exactly what he was getting himself into---In Israel, he would have been deported, in the Arab lands they`re terminated, period!!" Ben, I agree with you...preaching Christianity in a country in which doing that is against the law is just stupid. I just felt bad I'd laughed at what you said..but it was funny! (the Israeli Boyscouts getting the blame for the murder). Wait a bit..do you mean to say that preaching Christianity is against the law in Israel too?? Whyever, if so? In our countries anyone can preach anything, all anyone has to do is not listen! I hope you aren't going to say it's illegal in Israel...that makes Israel more like the Arab countries, do you see that?

Even better, I know now what UK, America and Sweden look like written in Hebrew! (I copied it out).. Looks as if Israeli tourism could still improve a bit in the numbers, though...if the sites are well protected as you say (by what,the IDF?) that makes it easier for tourists..my friend in England went to Egypt last year on a tour up (or down) the Nile and to see the pyramids and the valley of the kings..they had an armed Egyptian guard accompanying them every single step of the way..I bet you're right about the Fundamentalist and Born Again Christians, they're almost as fanatical as some Muslims.. as for smiling at everyone, remember what you said, better shove my hair under a scarf and not smile too much at certain people!

You might want to reconsider---Think of the money you would save by not having to keep up with the Jones'---One dress for year round wear---Car insurance, no problem, you won't be driving---The benefits just might outweigh the disadvantages---Haven't you seen movies where the women in the Harem, luxuriate among silk covered pillows and are bedecked in tons of Jewels, smelling from exotic perfumes---Just imagine yourself in that situation---One wife of a cast of four or as one of many concubines---

That "Poor Man", knew exactly what he was getting himself into---In Israel, he would have been deported, in the Arab lands they're terminated, period!!

Both are inflicted with diseases---One by corruption and the other by the social type--- OF the two, the Pro is certainly more honest--

Just smile at everybody, you won't get hurt (I hope)..As a matter of fact, Israeli tourism is recovering nicely---Fundamentalist Christians and Born again's won't let anything deter them-- The only incidents of hear of in tourist areas have been in Egypt---Israeli sites are very well protected---Here's a link from the Ministry of Tourism---Read the captions from right left, that's the chronological order in Hebrew--- http://www.cbs.gov.il/tourism_sp/tab04.pdf

"A few things to make your life more interesting--- Chador---A dark dress, covers everything but the face...Makes a woman look like death without the scythe--- No can drive--- No booze--- Save a lot of money on shopping, unless you have some man drive you to the mall--- Christmas behind locked doors---" See, that's why I didn't go to the United Arab Emirates...I knew I wasn't missing anything...

"go to Gaza and try and convince some of the people there to convert- let us know how you make out, or will we be reading your name in the news" And we'll know which part of the news to look at, too, the obits... Actually I felt really awful after I wrote "LOL" to you for your post to someone saying you thought they'd be blaming the Israeli BoyScouts for this murder...I mean, it was funny, and made me laugh, but then I felt terrible about this poor man's murder, I shouldn't have laughed...

about the "two P's" "politicians and prostitutes", but I shall certainly remember it now. Actually, the prostitutes are more honest than the politicians; at least they don't tell lies and pretend like the politicians do. The prostitutes have their price, while the politicians have to be bargained with...

With regard to your post #168 "Out of the goodness of your heart", describing the violence towards Christians in Palestinian areas, then what on earth was I ever considering going to Israel and the West Bank for I wonder? Not going after reading all that...no wonder Israel doesn't have much tourism now, people who go there from Europe mostly want to see places like Bethlehem. Definitely not going; to think, I thought standing next to the Wall would get me killed in the West Bank; instead, might get killed by the Palestinians for being a Christian..just imagine, getting blown away before I could even say, I'm an atheist...Not worth it!

Observer to Clickfool: "Well, here you are! this doesn`t even deserve a response, being your "normal" line of thought---only what is to be expected from you" Why'd you bother replying, then???

"he was probably an evangelical Protestant, the kind who actively proselytize, whereas the Orthodox do not and are usually left alone. Poor man was probably trying to evangelize Muslims, that is what enraged the murderers" It's illegal to do that in most Muslim countries, isn't it? Regards

I think I told you this before---Two words in the English language start with letter "P"--- Politician & Prostitute---For a price, they ALL can be bought or have been..

A few things to make your life more interesting--- Chador---A dark dress, covers everything but the face...Makes a woman look like death without the scythe--- No can drive--- No booze--- Save a lot of money on shopping, unless you have some man drive you to the mall--- Christmas behind locked doors---

to go to Gaza and try and convince some of the people there to convert---Let us know how you make out, or will we be reading your name in the new??

Notice how she doesn't really answer the questions here, but just waffles? I guess that's a step up from her running away from real facts as she so often does...

"he`s now a Saudi employee---So far, they`ve kicked in tens of millions of dollars for the construction & maintenance..." What about how buddy-buddy Bush is with the royal family of Saud..?? And Cheney and the millions of dollars he's got from contracts - Halliburton?

Why on earth would I love it in Saudi Arabia? When I was living in London and had the offer to live in Dubai, United Arab Emirates, I was far too nervous to go there, and apparently, Saudi is worse...

"Are you opining that torture and murder are appropriate responses? Another news article mentioned that Rami was approached several times in the past few, being pressured to convert to Islam. So by your logic, he should have tortured and murdered these Muslims for inappropriate conversion tactics?" Did I say any of that? No.

Mark Hamil, you represent one of two opposing camps of this forum regarding how Muslims treat other religions. Your side claims that Muslims wreaked more death and destruction on Jews and Christians in their conquests which swept from the Middle East to Iberia, including parts of southern Italy, Sicily, etc. The other side holds that Muslims were far more tolerant than Christians, especially towards Jews, with whom they lived in relative harmony (yes, I know about the sporadic attacks on Jews, as described by Maimonides, but that was not the norm for 800 years), the scholars of both faiths cooperating in translating ancient Greek texts and preserving the cultural treasure of antiquity during the turbulent Middle Ages. Who is right? We need figures. Did not the Chrisitan empires exterminate native populations in the Americas? How about Africa and Asia? Please provide statistics so we can judge fairly. Also, Palestinian Muslims and Christians and Jews lived quite peacefully ONCE.

here's some of what you're unaware of.. Anti-Christian Pogrom in the West Bank The western media corps largely ignores Muslim violence against Christians in the Holy Land For years, media outlets have largely refused to report one of the most troubling aspects of the Mideast conflict ― Muslim intimidation and violence against Christians in Palestinian-controlled areas. The latest shocking episode again made its way to very few news consumers: Late Saturday night (Sept. 3), hundreds of armed Palestinian Muslims crying 'Allahu Akbar' descended on the West Bank Christian city of Taibe. For the next few hours, the mob terrorized the community, setting sixteen homes and multiple businesses on fire, looting valuables from both, and destroying a statue of the Virgin Mary. Said one eyewitness: 'It was like a war, they arrived in groups, and many of them were holding clubs.' The mob's 'provocation'? A Muslim woman from their neighboring village had had a relationship with a Christian man from Taibe. The woman was poisoned to death by her own family in an 'honor killing', and soon after, the pogrom against Taibe commenced. Something tells us this incident would have made international headlines had Jews been responsible for this type of violence. HISTORY OF MUSLIM ABUSE, CHRISTIAN FLIGHT Incidents such as this, largely ignored by the western media, have been the leading cause of massive Christian flight from the Holy Land over the past few years. The historical Christian towns of Bethlehem and Nazereth, once home to large Christian populations, have seen that population flee en masse due to Muslim intimidation and violence. As HonestReporting has documented: ● Over 100 Palestinian terrorists took over the Church of the Nativity in 2002, using it as a fortress from which to fire upon Israeli troops, while holding nuns, priests and monks hostage, and looting or destroying virtually everything of value inside the building. ● During 2000-2002, the PA's Tanzim militia chose the Christian town of Beit Jala as a base for unprovoked shooting at Jerusalem. The Tanzim were specifically positioned in or near Christian homes, hotels, churches, and the Greek Orthodox club, knowing fully well that these sites would be hard-hit by Israeli return fire. ● In 1995, Bethlehem was 62% Christian, but today is less than 20% Christian. Before 1995, Bethlehem had a majority-Christian municipal council, but when the Palestinian Authority took over the town, Yassir Arafat replaced the municipal council with a predominately Muslim council, and Christian Arabs fled Bethlehem in droves after a radical Islamic wave began inciting against them. ● On February 6, 2002, the Boston Globe reported "a rampage of Palestinian Muslims against Christian shops and churches in Ramallah... Police made no attempt to stop the mob, which besieged and damaged a widely respected youth center associated with the Boy Scouts of America after torching the Christian properties...'The truth is this is a problem between Christians and Muslims,' said one Christian businessman." For more on Christian persecution under the PA, see this report from the JCPA, this article by Joseph Farah, and a report from The Prism Group. * * * One AP dispatch on the Taibe pogrom did make its way to one major paper ― the Los Angeles Times. But given the degree of destruction and racial violence in question, and given the huge number of reporters that remain in Israel after the Gaza withdrawal, the unfortunate incident merited far greater coverage. Despite appearances, the Mideast conflict is not only between Jews and Muslims. HonestReporting encourages subscribers to expand awareness of both the alarming incident in Taibe, and the larger problem of Muslim persecution of Christians in the Holy Land, in your local paper and community

Our Lord Jesus & his father God bless Rami Khader Ayyad, he was just sharing Christ. Jesus the only man that paid for our your sins & came back from grave to prove it, did your God do that? By the way the Jews God is the same as ours = incarnate his son Jesus. One day the 2nd Temple will be built & the anti christ will arises proclaiming "false" peace 1st time. Jesus will then "rapure his people" all in him, dead and alive. Then all Jews and all mankind will bow and know he is worthy the savior! Are you ready for his return?

1. One doesn't need to have evidence that the mindset has changed;the burden is on the other side - to prove that it hasn't changed. 2. Death threats are a low cost way of changing someone's behavior. If they work, great. If they don't, it cost you nothing.

Carter won't talk until the Saudi's bribe him with more money for his Presidential Library--- He's no longer an ex-President, he's now a Saudi employee---So far, they've kicked in tens of millions of dollars for the construction & maintenance...

Conversion - some Muslim countries allow it--- Saudi Arabia, certainly wouldn't be one of them--Christian's have to conceal their x-mas trees, Jews can't display a Menorah,Christians can't wear a cross in public---Jews can't display a Star of David---It certainly holds true for American's stationed there in defense of Saudi Arabia---You'd love it there, women, Saudi or otherwise can't drive---They work, if the husband allows them out, in circumstances that keeps them isolated from the men.

I don't believe the Greek Orthodox going around attempting to convert Muslims the way the Jews for Jesus tries it with Jews or Evangelical Christians do in the U.S... You should check out the condition of Christian in Bethlehem, who have been, for the most part, forced to leave by the Islamists that took over their shops, depriving of them of their livelihoods, and extorting them--If you wish, my offer also stands in this case---If you want info about Christians in Bethlehem, just ask--- You know darn well, if I offer it, I've got it---

Islam the so called regligion of peace and tolerence but somebody else is killed for their own beliefs these are the things the Europeans did hundreds of years ago when different sects of christianianty killed each other because they were the wrong type of christian. The Europeans woke up to this stupidity and learned tolerance. Islam today instead of looking at other people mistakes and learning to avoid them they are following in the footsteps of the ones who made those mistakes. Killing christians because they sell christian books, shias and sunnis killing each other because they have a different view of who was supposed to be Mohammed succesor his relatives or the califs. It seems that the jews are the only one of the big 3 religions that understand religious tolerence even though judaism doesnt make grand gestures that its the religion of peace.

It is only evangelicals who have supported the Palestinian evangelical community. While you blather on about how "safe" Palestinian Christians are from jihadists, it is the evangelicals who have demonstrated grave concern for their safety. As another example of your lies, google JOSHUA FUND. An organzation that provides support to the evangelical Palestinian community. There are many others. The support is meant to be lowkey, for as you can see, radical islamists target, harass, threaten, and butcher Muslims converts to Christianity, and Arab evangelicals. And OF COURSE few American Christians are going to march in solidarity in anti semetic parades that denounce USA and Israel, and feature flag burning. But they will open their wallets for good and decent Christians who are struggling in life.

So please teach your kids and people to love us and we will do the same its the greatest consipiracy to keep us from uniting together if we put our hands together as palestanians and isrealis and use a new name for the country call it some other name and forget each of our claims we will be a super superior power we both are smart people are educated people we have lost alot but there has to be a stop lets wake up with a smile and love each other please

what a very smart and balanced comment and reply my hats off to you Sir. But we can not deny the fact that hamas is breeding radical inhuman barbarians who are so blined by the "hamas islam" everything else is nonbelivers to them even brothers in fatha to the isrealis on here please please teach people around you to love peace teach them to love us we will teach our kids to love you my dad thought me to love isrealis and hate the goverment and the military that parades in our home towns with the latest weapons and shoves it in our face why do you think we fight back because we are so oppressed and tortured by you , you are doing the worst crimes against us you came to our land and do not and do not I repeat do not lie and say no its our land screw it what is the use of it our bloods spill over this land so listen lets love each other dnt say you teach the palestanians we gave them chances and they dnt understand that is not true look at your goverment how many laws rules it broke

And just where did Christians originate??? They were persecuted in the beginning, and still are in many places. And don't equate true Christians with the Cresades of Rome---that's another entity all together

Well, here you are! this doesn't even deserve a response, being your "normal" line of thought---only what is to be expected from you!

"Christian"----when it comes to definition, there are two--1) one not muslim, buddhist, etc---or 2) one who is a Christian in the true Biblical sense--who is a believer and follower of Jesus--some "christians" bear no resemblance to #2

is unlikely to arrest anyone for this crime. A week or two ago, it was an 80 year old Christian woman in Gaza, beaten and robbed by a thug who called her an infidel. Now this atrocity. But no arrests and no prosecutions yet (if there ever will be - it will be big news). The world should notice that this is how Hamas abuses human rights in the area it controls.

Gina-- WHERE ARE THE GREAT NUMBER of EVANGELICAL Solidarity Marches with PALESTINIAN CHRISTIANS? Ever see any/hear of any? And, if so, how many are there compared to the highly celebrated & attended marches with Israelis? Evangelicals-- Regularly hold Solidarity Marches with Israelis & EVEN for Israeli Soldiers on the borders of Gaza...encouraging them on to kill/oppress Palestinians. Evangelicals-- Have allowed Palestinian Christians in Bethlehem, etc. to become so severely imperiled/impoverished...that many have been forced to leave. AND...isn't part of Bethlehem cut off by Israel's wall? Evangelicals-- Like John Hagee have pictures of Israeli Prime Ministers on their walls & collect money/lobby for Israelis...BUT NOT for Palestinian Christians! It's Usually OTHER Christians-- Who defend the Palestinian Christians! But--ISRAEL gives them a hard time because EVANGELICALS have given ISRAELIS license/permission to do so. This is SICK!!!!

Gina-- WHERE ARE THE GREAT NUMBER of EVANGELICAL Solidarity Marches with PALESTINIAN CHRISTIANS? Ever see any/hear of any? And, if so, how many are there compared to the highly celebrated & attended marches with Israelis? Evangelicals-- Regularly hold Solidarity Marches with Israelis & EVEN for Israeli Soldiers on the borders of Gaza...encouraging them on to kill/oppress Palestinians. Evangelicals-- Have allowed Palestinian Christians in Bethlehem, etc. to become so severely imperiled/impoverished...that many have been forced to leave. AND...isn't part of Bethlehem cut off by Israel's wall? Evangelicals-- Like John Hagee have pictures of Israeli Prime Ministers on their walls & collect money/lobby for Israelis...BUT NOT for Palestinian Christians! It's Usually OTHER Christians-- Who defend the Palestinian Christians! But--ISRAEL gives them a hard time because EVANGELICALS have given ISRAELIS license/permission to do so. This is SICK!!!!

This is a heinous crime done by murderer. Let's hope that the culprit/culprits will be apprehended by the hamas authority and they will pay for their crime.

Do remember one thing Pal Brit - that Christianity was born from Judaism and the earliest Christians were the Jews and Romans However, glad to hear that you still feel comfortable where you are, because many Christians have already moved out from fear of intimidation from Muslims. Meanwhile, take care. Regards.

Dont you know history ? The Syrians took over after the first Israeli invasion. What was called "Pax Syriana". Not the other way around.Who messed up Lebanon, which was a peaceful multi national multi religious state ? Israel, by the expulsion of Palestinian refugees in 1947/48, which twisted the sophisticated Lebanese balance between communities. I do not remember that last year during the second invasion of Lebanon Israel bothered to lift a finger to save the Christians. And I appreciated Silvienne # 140 comment...

Do remember one thing Pal Brit - that Christianity was born from Judaism and the earliest Christians were the Jews and Romans However, glad to hear that you still feel comfortable where you are, because many Christians have already moved out from fear of intimidation from Muslims. Meanwhile, take care. Regards.

What evidence do you have that the Lavon mindset is there? Fatwas and death sentences are a fact for "insults to Islam" try taking the shortest line between 2 points.

Look who wants to give lessons.;) Arafat and his thugs were also attacking Israel from Lebanon. That's why Israel went to this country. Where did I say Israel went to help the Christians? It went to help itself and, at the same time, it helped the Christians.

"It is known that there are two extremist groups in Gaza.." Gee, what happen to her "Hamas is in charge and yes Gaza continues to be safe,clean and GREEN!" and "All visitors have so testifies,the latest being the Spanish delegation." And there is her popular mock quote, "The best laid plans of mice and men gang aft awry". And of course, I have to add her joiner (amended by me to reflect the reality) - "With due apologies to the poet & mice(which are a higher species than the terrorists)."

Great sentiments, christa, but not consistent with reality. Islamics are directed to subjugate others and put them in the status of dhimmis, subject to many burdens and without rights. Your idea of peaceful coexistence as equal citizens of a secular state is an unfulfillable fantasy. It is unfortunate that you deal in pipe dreams and not reality. Even the presence of Christians, who are open believers as in Gaza, results in their death. Remember that Islam is a death cult and within the umma, the lot of non-believers is death or dhimmi status, and perpetual "silence." Islam is suppression of thought other than submission life as prescribed in the primitive Quran and Hadith. Wake up, christa. Live in this world and deal with the reality.

Connie, It's really sad that you are not aware that there are many christian posters here and in the world that support Israel. Do not be blinded by your anger towards a "few christians" who do not support you. I hope you will know how to distinguish between friends and enemies.

As reported in several of the other news articles, many Christians say they're fearful for their lives. They're sentiments and fears are not to be respected by Muslims and Arabs posting here?

This was an awful murder. A disgusting act that to say the least. However crimes happen everywhere to people of all races or religions. Was the killing motivated by the victims religion? Maybe, but even if so why should the murderers be accused of representing the 1.4million citizens of Gaza when clearly the minority christains are treated just like their muslim neighbors-as Palestinians? Hopefully the gov't will step up and arrest these thugs.

Are you opining that torture and murder are appropriate responses? Another news article mentioned that Rami was approached several times in the past few, being pressured to convert to Islam. So by your logic, he should have tortured and murdered these Muslims for inappropriate conversion tactics?

"Your dream is a nightmare, it ends with the blood of your children flowing in the streets. Lebanon has fallen, Serbia has Fallen, South Sudan has been obliterated. They will rule you in Europe, they will Rule you in Canada, they will rule you all and you will all be slaves. But We, We Will Defend Ourselves and if they even come close to defeating us, we will take Mecca itself back. We do not turn the other cheek" This is truly prophetic prose, eFox..it flows along so nicely! All you need now is a mountain to stand on to recite it...

"We surely thought you would attributed it to the Mossad or the Israeli Boyscouts" LOL!!!

"Hamas will definitely do a thorough investigation." As they did with the Christian woman beaten and robbed and labeled an "infidel" last month?

Yes, but Ben, the article does say: "About 3,200 Christians live in Gaza, most of them Greek Orthodox. Relations with Gaza's Muslims are generally good, and have not deteriorated since Hamas wrested control of the strip in mid-June" Do you think this is perhaps not accurate? Also, I thought it was illegal for Christians (or any other religion) to, what's the word, attempt conversion in Muslim countries...

Yet it's also FACT that evangelicals have been the most concerned for those few Christian lights residing in Gaza since the darkness of Sharia and radicalized Islamists have pressed in.

As a Christian who actively practiced his Bible based faith (rather than a cultural faith) it's possible he may well have been the least anti semitic of all Gazans.

It was "Christian" Europe which discovered the ghetto, conducted pogroms, concentration camps and the holocaust.It was the Catholic church which charged the Jews with "deicide."

Once Again-- Some people, some bigots, whose only cause is to promote ignorance & incite hatred against Muslims...are on obvious display on this board (& offline too). The Fact Of The Matter Is-- Groups/people like the Army of Islam in Gaza...attacked BOTH Muslims & Christians...for conduct/practices that they deemed "un-Islamic": An event where boys & girls appeared together was shot at. Internet cafes...were bombed & threatened. Etc., Etc. This bookstore owner was one of several (Muslim & Christian) that were threatened. This Christian (Meaning Me)-- Is, of course, concerned about the Christians living in Palestine & most other places. But The TRUTH IS-- Christians AREN'T the only ones targeted! DON'T Use Christians/Supposed Concern For Christians-- To do your dirt! Any issues we need to resolve with Muslims...is something we can do...WITHOUT being Israel's/certain Jews' latest tool...to "stick it to the Palestinians"/other Muslims.

Ahh Lebanon, it was a Christian State Once, then the Syrians came and Chopped everybody up in to little pieces and scattered them in the streets. Only Israel bothered to lift a finger to save them and even took the blame when some Phalanegists took revenge against the Moslems that murdered their wives and children. Your dream is a nightmare, it ends with the blood of your children flowing in the streets. Lebanon has fallen, Serbia has Fallen, South Sudan has been obliterated. They will rule you in Europe, they will Rule you in Canada, they will rule you all and you will all be slaves. But We, We Will Defend Ourselves and if they even come close to defeating us, we will take Mecca itself back. We do not turn the other cheek.

So go to Saudi Arabia and do Missionary work there? No you won't, because you know that they would Lynch you and defile your Corpse until nothing personally identifiable remains. So pick your friends, we who ask for a few miles and are peaceable, or they that will butcher your families. Hide in the west and they will find you there, they accept no borders. They will call to prayer from where your church bells once rang, they will rule on what you can eat in your own country and they will make your children study the Koran as they do ours in Iran.

Why isn't Jimmy Carter speaking out on this crime?

You surprise us no end---We surely thought you would attributed it to the Mossad or the Israeli Boyscouts---It's really a switch, you're deciding to wait for an investigation before declaring your findings---

Then consider it fortunate that you live In Bet Jala---If you live or had lived in Bethlehem, you would know what persecution really is--- Most of your Christian brothers have been forced to flee, their homes and business' stolen from the by your brotherly Muslim thugs----If you wish, upon request, I'll send you some links so you can read up on it...

I was worried about him. I hadn't seen him post in a couple of days. I was concerned the person mentioned may have been him.

Consult your Koran, it teaches intolerance towards us poor, sadsack Dhimmi's--- Want me to send you the specifics, will do so gladly upon request...???

Jew hatred as a belief was developed by Alexandria's Greek (due to commercial competition with Jews). I am not too upset that a Greek Orthodox is murdered. Antisemitism is deeply rooted in that Church.

of Islam(which kidnapped Johnston) & Sword of Islam which was responsible for social extremism,attacking churches,forcing women to wear scarves etc.It is possible that one of these groups is responsible.On the other hand there is a strong possibility that it is someone who has been paid to carry out this crime,so as to make Hamas look bad.Hamas will definitely do a thorough investigation.The head of the Latin church is on good terms with Haniyeh.He is well aware of the situation and that rogue elements are waiting to make trouble for Hamas.It is a sad event,and our condolences to the grieving family.

Rami is a true martyr, he died for his faith. God keep his soul and comfort his family. I do not think that anyone is rejoicing at his death except the evil and cowardly bigots who murdered this young man. Nor is this the time to go after all Muslims. His Muslim friends are no doubt saddened by his death. Also, it seems that he was not the traditional Orthodox Christian, he was probably an evangelical Protestant, the kind who actively proselytize, whereas the Orthodox do not and are usually left alone. Poor man was probably trying to evangelize Muslims, that is what enraged the murderers.

Please tel us. And how come war criminals of IDF kill any Palestinians, be it chidren, women, sick, elderly, Muslim or Christian? And how come Christian missionary are unacceptable to the Jews?

First of all, Israel went to Lebanon to keep Arafat far away from Palestine and that was the main Israel goal. She didn't go to Lebanon to help Lebanese just because they are christians. In this case, should Israel go to all Arab countries to help christians arab??? or how about Israel should send her IDF to South Sudan and help Sudani christians???

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3. Israelis, please, do not defend christians! I am Christian who believed the bible taotally and Believe in Jesus as my Lord and Savior. I also believe in peace and in doing peace. I love jews as well. having said this, I almost got killed many times by Israelis , doing nothing against them just setting in my house. so please do not say that you have the guardian angels of the Christians. most of the time you do not even issue for us permit to enter Jerusalem to go and worship. 4.No body seems to care about Christians; Israelis and Palestinians use them for their politcal reasons. we are between the hammer and the anvil 5. NO SELFPITY! I pround od being a Christian, not from a politcal or social point of view but from a Spiritual point of view. all of us will die one day and I will see Jesus face to face. WHAT ABOUT YOU? ARE YOU READ TO MEET HIM? THE lORD JESUS IS PROMISSING ETRNAL LIFE IF YOU BELIEVE IN HIM. RAMI IS IN HEAVEN, DO YOU WANT TO GO THERE AS WELL? Jesus peace

Israel has an extremely proactive intelligence service and PR machine. They fancy themselves very clever in some of their operations, and must always be considered as a suspect in every case which generates anti-Palestinian press coverage. This is expected of a nation in Israels position, and Israel would be remiss to do otherwise.

I have some points here that I want to share responding to most of your responses 1. Rami was a Christian believer who believed in Jesus and Believed in serving Him. He also beleived that if he had died he would go to heaven because Jesus promised us Heaven and eteranl life if we believe in Him. therefore , Rami is seeing Jesus face to face in these moments while I am writing this response. 2.Islam is a terrorist religion!! Big time! the koran is full of verses about killing non-moslems,; jews and Christians, and others. Mohammed was a murderer. he was one of the most notorious terrorists the world has ever known. His followers take after him and after his satanic deeds. 3.I do like Christians defending Islam; Islam is anti-Christian, just read the bible. I love moslems, I live with them and I deal with them for they are created by God. but Islam is satanic with the full meaning of the word.Read the bible and you will discover what I mean. (First John 2:7 ) to be continued---

That's right. The headlines only proves that in Israel there are those who should be thrown in jail - and that includes Israeli's too. Jails in Israel don't only hold Palestinians. I wouldn't recommend freeing criminals in any society regardless of their nationality. This is about behavior, not nationality.

I feel very sad for this person's death. I hope that Hamas will fulfill its promise to find and imprison the culprits. I will say that here we have the opportunity to hear the voice of Palestinian Christians missing to most. They echo what the reports of the Churches that service them say. Yes, the changes seen in Islam are threatening. But, near so much as living in Occupation. We should hear what they have to say instead of telling them what their life is like. It is important to note the changes in Islam are part of the social circumstances. It is not endemic to the people or the religion. It is a response to stimuli in the current social situations of the Middle East. If it were, there would not have been any Palestinian Christians long before now.

Imagine teaching Christianity as an alterantive to Islam,under an Islamic government led by the Moslem Brotherhood.

A Christian being killed by a Palestinian is almost not news! Palestinians have always been intolerant of other religions since Arabs occupied Israel's holy sites. Historically, Islam is by far the most wide, violent, destructive, ignorant, primitive and destructive religion in world history. The Islamic people bring misery, poverty, ignorance where ever they settle. Islam is the bringer of war and death. Israel has been the one courageous nation that has stool up directly to this onslaught of violence and Islamic control. Instead of support, money and praise from Europe and the world, Israel receives it's traditional boot up the ass from the anti-semitic European Christians who support the Muslims because they covet their oil and still harbor hatred and fear towards Jews.

Thank you for your thoughtful reply.

1. Those death threats, if anything, made him a more attractive target. The blame would automatically go to those who made them. By the way, I am NOT saying the Mossad did it; I simply point out that the distinct possibility is there. 2. What evidence is there that Israel has changed its mindset since the Lavon affair?

Christian and Muslim Palestinian should be stay united because the evil is the Israeli barbaric occupation of Palestine. IDF criminals don't make a difference between Christian and Muslim. Plus, Judaism reject JESUS and only accept Christian's $$$$$

Mossad did it? It's a rational explanation. After all Mossad is trying anything possible to break up the determination of Hamas and to isolate them from their people. In spite of all the tactics and plots, Hamas remains stedfast and has support of Palestinian people. Especially that many officials in Europe and US that are looking for ways to bring Hams in the negociation talks. Who gains from vilifying Hamas: Israel and its Mossad mafia.

Yes there are hate crimes everywhere - they seem for some reason seem to be perpetrated at this point in time more by Muslims than by others.

Sorry to contradict you, but I do not think there is more anti-Arab racism in France than there is in the UK. Simply, it is not expressed the same way. It is more hidden in the UK. And there is probably at least as much anti-semitism in the UK as in France.

If Israel conducted itself the way Hamas does, there's be no Palestinians left by next Week. Your comment is absolutely hillarious. Israel learn from Hamas. HAHAHAHAHAHA I'm going to have an asthma attack. HAHAHAHA You sick terrorist supporter.

Wow, Hannah! A beautiful young man, husband, father has been brutally murdered and all you can think about is going on a rant against "Zionists". How CARING of you! Do you wonder, Hannah, why evil triumphs in this world with attitudes like that?!!!

I could not have said it better, my friend. See you in Beit Jala in 2008 ?

Sorry. I went to Israel and just did not feel the atmosphere of freedom for Christians. I found that there is more freedom for Christians in Morocco or Tunisia.

I don't understand...where are the Christians in all of this...so many things happening all over the world to Christians and the majority are silent. Do they only come together to attack Jews and Israel?

Correct!Crimes like this happens everywhere ,where PEOPLE as you are SETTLE.GOD SAVE FRANCE!!!

As usual you are wrong,wrong and wrong. Knowing many Lebanese Christians I have heard stories that make you head whirl and just ask the Coptic Christians in Egypt,(what few are left there) what hell on earth they live in. And while you are at it ask the Christian family in Iraq how they feel after their young son who was abducted,murdered,baked in an oven and returned to the family...all because he was Christian. By the way are the muslims going to replace the 30 churches they burnt down in Iraq and what are they going to do about Joseph's Tomb after they desecrated it? Please don't insult us with your propaganda...we all know the history of islam and it is not tolerant and it is not pretty.

Israel does not want them. Simply. They cannot come. Worse, Christians in Lebanon receive bombs from Israeli planes.

Your post was wonderful, and right to the point. These opportunistic zionists stop at nothing in their pathetic attempts to draw parallels to what they believe is their own victimization. Please do keep posting. Regards, Hannah.

My condolences to the family and friends of Rami Khader Ayyad. My thoughts and prayers go out to them. Rami Khader Ayyad was a heroe, selling Bibles in a land controlled by jihadists.

If we take the argument towards the path of relativity, then your good self and I, agree on the fact that there is an absolute, to which this relativity can be measured.And this absolute is zero tolerance to bigots and their actions.Who suffers more and where,is undoubtedly a relative question, but thanking God for small mercies,because some suffer less than others,will make eventually the absolute concept;relative, and here is the danger.Because, we would be then measuring moral questions in an "ammoral way", accepting the suffering of some, while rejecting the suffering of others as targets of hate crimes and bigotry.

Arafat and his thugs murdered a lot, first on their own, then assisting the Syrians. Thanks to Israel there are still Christians in Lebanon. You are right that the first Christians were from there. This demonstrates that the Arabs are occupying Jewish land.

This is an opportunity for Hamas to show a few people, they can be impartial. They have condemned the killing,and should, now lets see them find the culprit and deal with him/them.Unlike Israel who just does the usual cover up, and then wait fot time to "heal". Problem is it does not heal.

today is the national day of 'pray for the peace of jerusalem'. a call was made for all christian churches in america to pray for the peace of jerusalem during their services ... Ps 122

This is not the first time. The Islamist-Jihadists have been killing Christians in Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt and in Israel just as they have been killing Jews in the region. When a religion teaches their people to hate and kill Jews and Christians, this is what you get. America and Israel must understand that there is and will never be peace with Islamist-Jihadists. Until the Islamist-Jihadists know the Light of the World and the Prince of Peace, there will be NO peace in their hearts, minds and souls. Peace cannot be forced upon any nation. Peace to Islamist-Jihadists means the destruction of Israel as their Manifesto and Charter stipulate. Hence, Israel and America must fall for the Wahhabhist manipulated peace crap. Stand strong to defend every inch of your liberated biblical and historic homeland. Don't give in to the external pressures and manipulations of Antisemites, the Leftists, and Islamist-Jihadists.

We Palestinian Christians follow the teachings of Jesus Christ to ?love our enemies?. On this say I would like to pray for those who martyred, our dear brother, that our Lord and God may forgive their sins (for they do not know what they are doing), and would open their eyes and enlighten them to see the Truth and repent of their sin. May our lord heal the hatred in the Holy Land, in the very land that he was crucified, crucified for every Christian, for every Jew and Muslim. Our God loves us all, and loves us as his children. May the blood of this Christian activist refresh this message of love, the message of fighting evil with good, and turning the other cheek until peace becomes a reality in the Holy Land. Amen.

I have love for all people and a special place in my heart for oppressed minorities whether they be Christians in Gaza, blacks in the USA, Bahai in Iran, and yes, Arabs in Israel. The presence of minorities and the issues of how they are treated internally has no relevance to the issues of how one nation must defend itself from another. Gazan terrorists can not use their Christians as human shields, just as they do children and non-combatants. The concern for Gazan Christians is seperate from the need for Israel to pretect Israelis from terror. The solution for stopping Gazan Christians from being caught in the crossfire of Israeli operations is the same as for Gazan Muslims -- stop the terror. For the record, I have never advocated the carpet bombing of Gaza.

As Islamist extremism grows, Christian existence in Palestinian territory is disappearing at an alarming rate, warns a distinguished scholar and international human rights lawyer. During a discussion last week about the preservation of the 2,000-year-old Palestinian Christian community, Dr Justus Weiner, a Scholar in Residence at the Jerusalem Centre for Public Affairs, shared horrifying stories of Christians being persecuted and tortured by Palestinian authorities. He noted that the population in Bethlehem during the 1940s was estimated to be about 75 to 80 per cent Christian, but now that number has dropped to about 12 per cent. Moreover, the overall Christian population of the whole West Bank has declined to about 1.5 to 1.7 per cent of the total population and is ?practically at the point of disappearing?, Weiner said during the talk at the public policy think tank Hudson Institute on Tuesday.

Pal Christians have been mistreated for a long time now. It is not a coincidence that most of the pals leaving Gaza since Israel withdrew are Christians, even though they are already a tiny minority.

This is an isolated incident but its actually amazing how well Muslims get along with everyone - except Jews - and thats the saddest part over the centuries, the Jews have never had better friends and supporters than Muslims. My understanding if that Muslims lived in peace with Jews for centuries - including in Palestine - up until zionism and mass immigration. the people who persecuted Jews were Christians, and Jews always found safe haven in muslim areas - from Algeria to India - thats why there are jews in all those places.

The Rami you are thinking of is an Arab-Israeli from Nazareth who used to post frequently here. I too miss his insightful comments that come from the all too little heard perspective of a proud Arab citizen of Israel who is also unafraid to act on his patriotic duty of calling his country to account for its less than equal treatment of its Arab citizens.

What is going on in Gaza is sad. Many people have been killed and Rami was the first christian since Hamas is on power; Im a palestinian christian and I was never harassed by muslims, but by israeli soldiers anytime I want to go and pray in Jerusalem. Although the raise on islamic fundamentalism is a risk for our community, it is also for secular muslims, so, please dont try to take advantage, cause for palestinian christians the solution is to have a palestinian viable state and the right for those abroad to come back since Israel have been consfiscating the ID's of those abroad... palestinian christians got our own representation in the parliament, cabinet and palestinian bourecracy, and there is not a single palestinian legitime leader (starting by the Head's of our churches) that would blame muslims for our life under ISRAELI Apartheid.

You are correct that every society seems to have its own racism and you are absolutely right to state that we must show zero tolerance to the perpetratrors. Where we differ is in the recognition of the degrees in each society. There is much more anti-Semitism in Europe than in the USA, for instance, and there is more anti-black racism in Saudi Arabia than there is in Egypt and more anti-Arab racism in France than there is in England. In Gaza, there happens to be more anti-Christian racism. That is not to say it is all pervasive or it is unique, but the Christian Gazans have suffered more than Christians elsewhere, including in the West Bank.

I am a Christian, and as long as they exist I have called Hisb'ullah and Hamas (an Israeli breed) gangster organizations. I have condemned the killing of innocent civilians for a long time, and I am concerned about the fate of Christians in the Mideast. Yet people like you are so primitive as not to acknowledge that the killing of innocent civilians ordered by your officials is the same kind of crime and needs to be condemned. So don't distract from your psychological defects by thin-veiled maneuvers.

Ofcourse alot! so I suggest you shut your mouth and mind you GodDamn business. Palestinian Christians are the true christian here not some fake one like Lebanese and other Arab who later became christians after Palestine the place of Christ.

The argumaets are becoming totally absurd, to the extent that there is just as mush bigottery, and racism, as perhaps the rguments motivating the hate crime in Gaza.hate crimes happen everywhere.In the USA, E.&W Europe, and the rest of the continents.Such crimes are neither specific to one people, nor to any particular geographical zone.It is important that, weherver such crimes happen, for the respective societies to show zero tolerance to the perpetrators.Everyhouse has its own sewer, so does every society has one also.

And whoever is convicted of this crime, should suffer from a serious punishment. I was replying to other posters which is what most people do. Common sense I abhor what happened to this gentleman, not only because he was christian, but because he's human. However still, I'm not proud of what israel does to us, hence the need to advertise it.

Please people don’t try to make out of this awful crime a Muslim vs. Christians problem. Christians have been living in the Middle East for hundreds of years and their presence have never been contested by the majority of the Muslims. Furthermore, throughout history they occupied many important positions in the Arab world. Real Christian emigration from the Middle East began at the time of the creation of the state of Israel and of course after the occupation of Iraq. So now tell me who is the real problem for Christians in the Middle East???

The people who did it must be punished as soon as possible. We don't want to end up like Lebanon, were moslim and christians kills each other everyday.

Another example of radical Islamists murdering in the name of Muslim hegemony wherever they rule. The plight of Palestinian Christians is well documented by the work of Pierre Rehov and others. Take a look at the disappearing Christians of the Middle East because they are being murdered and pushed out in the hundreds of thousands.

Why is every body surprised? We in India have faced this kind of barbarism at the hands of Islamic occupiers for the last 1000 years! There was no Israel or USA to blame then!

I'm hoping there will be means soon available to financially assist his family.

Your post is very specious in a forum about a fellow-Christian being murdered in Gaza (not ) because he was a Christian.

For people who seek global rule of Islam as Hamas does,what's the problem.?

Why utter repeated death threats,over years and give him a chance to escape or change,if Israel was going to kill him anyway,for the "publicity".? Using your logic Muslims are more than capable of killing Christians including nuns and priests. Remember what happened after the Mohamed(PBUH) cartoons? Spin that one,ts 50 years more recent than the Lavon affair.Ae you in fashionable denial or just fashionably amnesic? Realism??

No time to condemn his murderers or call for their arrest? It's more impoprtant for you to demonstrate solidarity with those who strap bombs on their kids than with a Christian in Gaza?

My condolences to his family. May God comfort their souls. Rami's courage to remain and serve under the current atmosphere of death threats humbled me. Those of us with braincells knew Rami's time in Gaza was limited as his brand of effective and practical Christianity is not tolerated under totalitarian regimes.

I believe he is a Pal Christian. Haven't seen him post is a couple of days.

I met him. He told us of the death threats. He told us of the horrible things that extremests have done. He told us of the good things he was doing: taking care of the helpless, the homeless, the needy, the hurt, the widows and the orphans. He was murdered because of all the good he did. The men who carry the guns want to be the heroes and they don't want any competition. Its not fair. Its not right! Something must be done... But who will go into Gaza to implement justice?

It's as empty as it is against: 1) The Muslim cleansing of Christians from Bethlehem 2) The murders of a priest and a couple of Bible publishers in Turkey 3) The death penalty trial in Afghanistan of a man who committed the "crime" of converting from Islam to Christianity 4) Copts constantly jailed in Egypt The only people who complain about that are Western Christians and Jews, not Western Muslims who claim they're "moderate". Of course, neither do we see Silvienne, JB, Dutch or the rest of the antisemites complaining here...

It's not necessarily true that the Christians in Gaza suffer the most. Israel is an equal opportunity hater; it is happy to make ALL Gazans suffer.

After the Lavon affair, when Israel blew up libraries in Egypt to engender hostility between the US and Egpt, one can't discount the possibility that the mossad did kill him to make the leadership in Gaza look bad.

Tell me my zionist friend...when jews kills innocents muslims, u call it "no tolerance" as u call when a muslim kill innocent jews?, no, and do u know why?, because u only see the problems in Palestine, u think that we (jews) are angels and palestinians daemons...u r wrong, and u r showing to the world how much stupid is the society in Israel, and when u do it, u o me in front of everyone who has brain.

oh Christa, this is the only item to add to the cocktail, christians wanting a state, why dont you go to Israel and feel the atmosphere of freedom for christians too? you want a peace of Israel? give us a piece of Vatican City!!! and for the Christian who wants missionary work done in Israel, why dont you send your missions somewhere else? or did you see many rabbis in Vatican City trying to convince anyone to convert to judaism? (we, jews, do not try to convert anyone, no marketing policy !!!)

I took Arab logic 101 and made up this argument all by myself. I heard Nasrallah say today,that the Mssad was behind the recent assassination of the some of the most ANTI-HIZBALLAH & PRO-ISRAEL lawmakers in Lebanon. I was inspired to also use the "WHO GAINS THE MOST" argument regarding this murder. It's a great argument and works for almost everything negative that any muslim does anywhere. Surely Muslims don't gain from the bad rap ERGO the jews did it!!

"Pay Attention Christians. Choose Your Friends Wisely." Efox, do you know that Chritians are NOT allowed to do missionary work in Israel? True but it is done anyway and they are not murdered for it. The Christian world choses to ignore the plight of Christians under Islam.

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Why is it so quite in Beit Jala? No shooting on Qiriat Arba, quite and calm? Because Fatah doesn't let the terrorists come in and take comando over the Christian Beit Jala. then the Christians have peace. Am I wrong?

Another non-peaceful act from the religion of peace.

"And I just want to tell you that the arab people is one of the most tolerant people on earth." Nano, don't be so pathetic. There are around 30 conflicts going on in the world today. In 90% there are Muslems involved. I am not trying to say that all Muslems are bad, but you the good ones, must condemn tha bad ones. Så I suggest you in Swedish: Gå hem och gör din historieläxa!

Who is Hamas going to arrest becuase these thugs would have to arrest themselves. Hamas is nothing more then Thugs,Petty Criminals and Terrorist. Another Hate crime and whats so said is Hamas doesn't realize they are the cancer inflicting all in Gaza and only bringing despair and no hope to all Palestinains who live there.

NOBODY is allowed to do missionary work in Israel. Is that a crime? And is someone is caught doing missionary work he is cahged by law, or deported -not murdered by thugs for doing so. Can you possibly see the difference?

Palestinian Christians who associate with Moslem terrororists ad join in the fray against Israel are not different to Palestinian Moslems as far as Israel's security is concerned. If any Christians have suffered it's because they are Paleestinians hostle to Isrel. This case in Gaza is a clear act of violence against a Christian because he is a Christian - in other words facism. HE was targetd becasue someone didn't like his Christian activities (peaceful ones) within their midst. So please lay off your BS. You are half blinded by your one-sided view of things.

Certainly! Saudi Arabia should be set as an example of how a state should NOT be run. Strange then, that everyone, including Israel, seem able to conveniently forget the human rights record, and they are competing for ways to curry favour with the Saudi leadership!

You are simply, without realizing it, endorsing Avi's point. Every society has its criminals and crime rate. WHat he said was the Palestinians don't acknowldege their criminals because they put everything down to the "occupation". Many Palestinians are jailed in Israel for serious crimes - but you regard them all as victims and demand their release. Your leaders don't arrest those responsible for crimes in your society (with the exception of those suspected of being "collaborators" who are tried and executed almost on the spot). Think you can wrap your brain around that for a moment?

you are a very sick, racist person. You think everybody can be categorised according to their religion or their race? Well basically you embody everything that is wrong with US/UK and Israeli foreign policy. Until you understand everyone is of equal value and worth, we shall not see peace anywhere.

Why not use Saudi Arabia as an example of Muslim intolerance---A non-muslim can't display the symbol of his religion, nor can a Christian place his Christmas tree in public view---

Just because you Lebanese fight like cats and dogs about your religions, it's a lot different here in Palestine. You see, we have one big problem. It's not Christianity, it's not Islam, hell it's even not Judaism. It's Zionism.

Christian's have always been resident in Israel---The Problem arises when Muslim's force them to flee their homes and business', as they did in Bethlehem---Fatahs thugs came in, extorted money, stole their business' and forced many to leave the country...If you wish, I'll gladly send you the links and you can read about it all by your loneseome..

Because if you look up the definition of nation, it's not about physical constructs, i.e. borders. It's a feeling of unity of a people towards a cause.

As usual, you don't have the foggiest idea about Christian's living among arabs---Take a look at Bethlehem, as an example...The Muslim's have just about driven all the Christian's out of town and forced them to abandon their business'---All you have to do is GOOGLE "Bethlehem Christians" and read all about it---If you wish, on request, I'll furnish a few links to enchance your lack of knowledge, which you sorely lack...Just ask, they' be yours by return mail...

Can't you understand what you read, he was stabbed in GAZA, NOT in Israel---

Of course you can be patriotic to the notion of a homeland - I am sure Jews were so before they actually got their state. I guess the Kurds are not allowed to be patriotic either? Of course the Palestinians have always lived in the area and were pushed out of half of the territory so they have every right to yearn to return - just like the Jews, who mostly have never really had anything to yearn about~.

No, sorry Pieere but the definition of Patriotism is as I stated before: "Love and devotion to one's country." Look it up if you don't believe me. If you want to talk about homeland, etc. I suggest you find a more appropriate term. Patriotism is reserved for a country, not a region or homeland. The fact of the matter is, there is no Nation of Palestine to be patriotic to. Calling me a racist for pointing out a fact is not warrented.

them. Always and everywhere. How many were killed in Iraq, just for trying to help.

it is you who fails, i believe knowingly, to see the big picture. Christians and non muslims are under attack throughout the muslim world without exception. It is a sad reality and will only get worse. The situation for Christians in Israel is actually an irrelevancy in terms of the larger picture - but the fact that Intl Christian Organiations choose to set up shop and their m.e hq's in Israel shows that the Christians have it good in Israel. You know no matter how much garbage you throw at Israel, she is a shining beacon of goodness when compared to all Arab states and societies.

Why should I debate with someone who is populist and ignorant of the facts. Better learn histroy and politics, and should I remind you what Israel has done to Palestinian Christians? Patriotism is for a homeland, and Palestine is homeland for Palestinina Christians, racism and sectariansim is another matter.

Activists are also those nasty people like the ISM (International Solidarity Movement) who support the Palestinians from abroad. Worst of all, they are mostly regular churchgoers!

it's really pitty what happened in gaza. i think the best way to deal with such crimes is the israeli way. muslims will never accept to live and integrate with non muslims. Shame on them and pitty the religion.

Today's headlines in Israel 1. Leader of criminal gang warned that hit man is after him. 2. Druze women afraid after apparent "honor killing" 3. Man arrested for murdering his wife. They have 9 children...etc...etc.

Really? You mean Palestinian Christians can now move to Israel? There maybe increasing numbers of Christians coming to Israel but they are Evangelicals - mostly from America. I would be careful of those if I were you - they need to convert all Jews to Christianity if their weird prophesies are to be fulfilled!

Absolutely correct. Many young Palestinians leave in order to study - and many return. My daughter went to school in Beit Jala and has now just finished a Masters in the UK. Almost all of her classmates have done the same and are in universities in France, Germany, America and Canada- all come back regularly at least once a year and all plan to return eventually. I believe the statistics will record them as having emigrated - where are the records of returning so called emigres?

Shalom Pieere! You state that Xtian Palestinians are the most patriotic. I looked up the definition of "patriotism" on thefreedictionary.com and found the following definition: "Love and devotion to one's country." Since there is no nation of Palestine in existance, I suppose you are talking about patriotism to Israel? Please clairify.

I would like to correct what you state. Not just Xtians, but missionaries in general are not allowed to target people under the age of 18. Which, by the way, is reasonable. I believe that children should not be the target of missionaries, especially without the parent's knowledge. As for adults in Israel, missionary activity is frowned upon, but it is legal. This is, after all, the "Jewish State".

Let us all around the world take immediate action and start a serious campaign against all bad Moslems. Past years have proved that all bad Moslems understand only killing and violence. I wish they can appreciate peace and tranquility. Unfortunately they will never. Until when we shall tolerate their belligerence. Europe, North America and South America should kick out all bad Moslems from their countries and send them to Moslem countries. We do not need them, they have done only devastations to our civilization. We do not need the millions of Moslems in our countries. We should treat them the same way we are being treated in their counties. Let us unite and start the campaign immediately.

isn't "activist" the same word that members of hamas, fatah, hizbullah, etc are called? how is this man in any way considered an "activist"? it is a disgrace to describe this murder victim with the same disgusting labels as terrorists for no good reason other than editorial politically-correct cowardice. shame on haaretz.

""'And I just want to tell you that the arab people is one of the most tolerant people on earth.'"" That's why they murder their own. That's why Saudi Arabia allows only Moslems. That's why terrorist acts all over the world have been done by Moslems. That's why this poor man was murdered:

How can anyone who calls himself religious do such a thing unless you are slave of the anti-prophecy? These cowardice acts in the name of allah are in fact facts in the name of sjattan. Some misbelievers know it, but most don't, that's the lethal tragedy which unfolds for everone to see on this planet, like a Revelation, an Apocalypse. But a free Israel and free world wil perservere against the slavery of sjattan. Good will win from evil, giving up our SUV's and flying habbits, is just an individual start to curb world deterioration. Why make those Middle East sheiks rich, think of it.

There are no criminals or murderers in the Palestinian society. They are all innocent victims of the occupation. NOT! More like pre-occupation with terrorism. We constantly hear the Palestinian demand to let all Palestinians in jail go free as if we are talking about Mandela-like individuals who are just locked up victims. No. Many of these men have murdered Israeli women and children without any hesitation to fulfill the RIGHT of resistance. In terms of murder, when you murder a Jew or Israel that's your RIGHT but when you murder each other that's a CRIME. Let's face it, Palestinian society is twisted, psychotic and truly makes the very worst neighbors any human being could ever hope for.

Probably if all the Palestinian Arabs were Christians, there would have been peace long ago. I don;t think Christians tie bombs around their children's waists and send them in to be martyred killing as many Jews as they can. I am only surprised that more Christians hae not come over to the Israeli side where they would not be murdered in their beds as they are inamong the Muslims. but maybe some like being second class citizens under sharia .

This is def not a time to point the finger at anyone. A young man, age 26, has been murdered in cold blood and all you people can do is blame this group or another. Though in our hearts we all know who did it, lets just pause and take a minute to remember this victim. RIP buddy, and I hope you are in a better place

Europe and USA should give humanitarian asylum to all gazan christians and get them out of gaza and give them right to live in europe or USA. Comeone, they are only 3200. help them before islamists kill them one by one.

This grave crime will not pass without punishment. Interpretation: More Christians are still alive in the ancient Palestinian City called the West Bank (of Jordan) and shouldn't be. So far no arrests have been made in Gaza. Just like no arrests have been made for those launching Qassems or as of late Katyusha's rockets. No arrests should be expected unless an action is taken that is against the will of Hamas.

Dont let this murder have an negative affect between you, You should now, christians as moslems, reach out to eachother and condemn this ugly act, any jew who wants to take part of this is welcome to do so. And I just want to tell you that the arab people is one of the most tolerant people on earth. The jewish and the christian people used to live with the arabs, the arabs used to protect them against people with other belifies. This is true and if someone is trying to reject that then they are lying and they want to paint a false picture of arabs.

The Palestinian Christians profess a deep patriotism for the Palestinian cause because they are clearly a threatened group within their own society. It's a natural reaction- trust me, as a Jew we are used to being seen as outsiders in our own host country, and trying to figure out how to protect ourselves from our suspicious hosts. Look at all the Jews who fought bravely for Germany in World War 1 and received medals (and look what it ultimately got them). But eventually, the Christian Gazans will be unable to continue a peaceful life under a clerical Hamas regime. And with their long history there it is a tragedy.

THE RELIGION OF PEACE has no qualms of ridding the entire ME of jews and christians. If the west doesn't wake up, they will discover the sword of Islam on their throats sooner than they can imagine.

Instead of trying to score political points, perhaps we could all remember that a young man has had his life abruptly ended - leaving behind a wife and 2 small children. Rami was a gentle, kind-hearted man who chose to stay in Gaza and fulfil his Lord's command to Love his neighbour. That he faithfully did, and that is what he will be remembered for. He was a love activist. May many more of us have the courage to live as Rami did.

Press Release The Palestinian Bible Society Jerusalem Office Bible Society worker assassinated in Gaza 7.10.2007 The PBS announced today that Rami Ayyad was found dead near the Bible Society Bookshop in Gaza early this morning. Rami was kidnapped last night by an unknown group directly after he closed the doors of the bookshop at around 16:30. A day before, Rami noted that a car with no plate numbers had been following him. News of his kidnap was reported to the main office after his family received a telephone call from him at around 18:00 saying that he had been taken by a group of people and will return home late that evening. Another phone call was made carrying a similar message. The director of the Bible Society had informed the Police in Gaza of the incident. At 6:25 this morning, news was received that Rami?s body had been found at a location near the Teachers? Bookshop in Gaza were he had spent most of his time running the bookshop. Signs of bullets and knife stabs could be clearly seen on his body. Rami 26, leaves behind two young children, and a pregnant wife. The funeral is expected to take place at 16:00 today. No group or party has claimed responsibility. The Bible Society in Gaza has received previous threats and vandalism. However, the support from the community has been very well noticed because of the humanitarian role that the Bible Society has been taking the last four years in the strip.

Jews are not our friends either. Palestine is not Lebanon, which has not been so bad, despite the recent problems there - actually since 1948 (whose fault ?). We cannot have a three state solution - the two state solution is already years away. So we dream of a single secular state in the former Palestine, where all religions would be equally free.

The Christians have consistently been decimated by persecution, discrimination, and violence by the Muslims - have a look at the demographics of Bethlehem, which is now overwhelmungly Muslim due to the forced Exodus of the Christians. In Israel, on the other hand, the number of Palestinian Christians is rising. Get an encyclopedia!!!

Your hate makes you blind, so you have difficulties to read - it was in Gaza, where the Islamists rule!

"Christian Palestinians are the most oppressed and discriminated againts among other Christian Arabs, this is despite the fact that they are the most patriotic." Do you think Atalla Hanna (Patriarch of Jerusalem) or Yasser Abd Rabbo (PA Minister) are oppressed? Ramallah is the largest Palestinian town in the WB and has the highest concentration of Palestinian Chrisitians who make up its richest residents. Do you think they are oppressed? The immigration of Palestinian Christians is due to many reasons and is NOT a new phenomena. The US has a Ramallah Club with some members who served in the US Armed Forces during the Korean war. Other members are 5th generation American citizens, if not more! Also, Chrisitans always immigrated more than Muslims because of their economic and educational achievement and because they had help from their churches. Yes, some of the most patriotic Palestinians are Chrisitans, and that can only be true because they felt equally wronged!

How about the difference between "not allowed" and "murdered"? You don't need a title in linguistics in order to understand it. Please notice #9, Mister Christian!

How many Christians have been killed and mistreated by our Israeli occupiers? Far more than those mistreated by the Moslems.

Christians have always been an important group of Palestinians in the Gaza strip. They could all have left at any time - Israel would have loved the publicity of bringing the Christians to safety! The truth is they didn't want to leave - in general they do relate perfectly well with the Moslem community, as they always have. Of course there are extremists (maybe not Hamas - Islamic Jihad and others are often responsible for such acts) The official response is that the Hamas government deplores this act and vows to seek out the perpetrators. Are there no horrendous acts in Israel on a daily basis, which are condemned by all Israeli's? Yes it is an heinous crime and I hope the murderer is caught but let's get the big picture correct.

quickly from their Shin Bet dog masters. See the lynch-"hoax" the Jerusalem Post published recently.

Christian Palestinians are the most oppressed and discriminated againts among other Christian Arabs, this is despite the fact that they are the most patriotic. If we look at Christian Palestinian immigration we find that Christians in Palestine have been decreasing sharply while Christians in Israel, Jordan and Syria have been increasing. Since the advent of Hajj Amin Husseini Grand Mufti of Palestine before the Nakba, Palestinian Muslims at large stopped being tolerant ( ironically many Christians naively supported this tyrant and racist cleric). We as Plaestinian Chrsitians know this fact but are helpless about it. Only intervention of great powers will restore justice to local Chrsitians and balance and sanity to Muslim Palestinians.

"The reality is that Gazan Christians have been under fire for some time." And when did you first learn that there are Christians in Gaza? This sudden love for Gazan Christians in really heartening! Weren't you among those talkbackers that recently called for carpet bombing Gaza and wiping it off of the map?

"Pay Attention Christians. Choose Your Friends Wisely." Efox, do you know that Chritians are NOT allowed to do missionary work in Israel?

Just goes to show that Muslims are intolerant of anyone who does not follow their faith and doctrines.

true Efox they will find them amongst Jewish radicals who hate, villify and spit on Jesus.

What a surprise. Unfortunately, the world will not care because no Israelis were involved. Either that, or somehow this is Israel's fault. The reality is that Gazan Christians have been under fire for some time. The Muhammed cartoons, the Pope's ill advised statement, whatever provocation -- it is the Christians of Gaza that always seem to suffer the most.

On this article you will not see Clickfool, Durson, Hannah, Indrajaleh and the rest of the Israeli bashers. And if, the they will advocate that its the Mosad that did it. Oh I forgot, Clicky never writes about Mosad...

¤¤ Such definitions of good are generally strange. He who lives under such rule is a slave. Pay Attention Christians. Choose Your Friends Wisely. ¤¤ Says who? What is your argument based upon?

Such definitions of good are generally strange. He who lives under such rule is a slave. Pay Attention Christians. Choose Your Friends Wisely.