PA accuses Israel of killing Palestinian teens 'in cold blood'

SORRY SAL,BUT ISREAL HAS NO BROUBLEM FIGHTING HEZBOLA. IN 67 AND 72 THE MUSLEM WOULD ATTACTED AND GOT SPANKED BAD.

After all, the Pals aren't the only ones in the habit of using those mean old deadly rocks against the IDF. So how about just one, Ben? Can you manage to point out one? How about maybe just one instance of a settler being shot at with a rubber bullet? Think you do that, Ben? C'mon, Ben? Enlighten us?

No they were just protecting themselves, just like the LA cops do when they are attacked.

And I know why, you've never been to Israel, had to look under your bus seat or in the luggage rack to see if anyone left something that could kill you and yours, maybe that guy or gal that entered the pizza shop while wearing an explosive vest First came the Arab attacks, incessant innfiltration of terrorists, then came the wals, which were the result not the cause Think WTC and multiply that by the better than 60 years tht Israel has undergone Arab attacks

And of course the intended purpose of the rocks and pitchforks were to be used as playthings Who the heck do you think you're kidding? Easy way for nobody to get hurt, don't charge at soldiers with pitchforks and don't throw rocks

the bible. Only Israel belongs to the Jews. The pals can go back to Jordan or hell, whichever suits them better. They have no legitimate claim to Israel, never did never will. And what G- d promises, He keeps. The pals fight G-d when they fight the Israelis. That's why they always lose, every time, all the time. Hey! Why not invite the pals to live in Mexico or Cuba? They'd do verrrrry well there, if they can keep from murdering anyone, that's still not accepted there either..

or these pals nazi's would try and eliminate all Jews as did their 'hero' Hitler. Now, thanks to the pals, they are the most despised so called humans alive.

Another pal teacher I see.

if not for the pals, the Israeli's wouldn't be so expert at war or self defense. Thanks to your pals, the pals also wont be able to visit Israel. Israel just flexed her muscles and the 'youth' on the Temple Mount, will learn to stop acting like yahoo's and stop throwing rocks or, be dealt w/ as are any criminals or whatever age. In America, some kids as young as 12 are tried for murdering their own parents.... Sounds like another mini pal in the making.

Thank you JJ. My point exactly.

Sure, they asked for it. Besides the IDF guys were just following orders, right?

If you don't know why, where have you been? The oppression (Read occupation if it makes you feel better.) has been going on for how long?

Do you know what a rubber bullet is? It is NOT what its name implies. It's a rubber-coated steel cylinder, meant to be shot only at legs and feet, and only from a distance of not less than 40 meters, and only after all other riot control measures have proven ineffective. A hit in ANY vital area, such as the head or chest, is likely to be just as lethal as a regular bullet. So no matter which was used, the intention was to kill.

Common sense suggests that the real reason pitchforks were used is because they were immediately available for the IDF soldiers to plant on the dead bodies.

"The force opened fire and confirmed their death." Somehow, you never get the impression that the world's most moral army tries to avoid Palestinian casualties.

... killing Palestinian civilians when protect-ing them should be the army's priority in the territories not itself or indeed the illegal settler population. The Palestinian human rights should get its act together and file suit against the Israeli army in the Hague--under the Right to Life Law. I know Americans are going after the Pentagon and its misappropriation of military aid and weapons of mass destructio to Israel in vio-lation of Federal Law. This is long overdue , also. Dutch

These vile and inhuman acts of Israel sicken the entire planet, and no please dont hide behind anti semetism. Shooting at unarmed protesters and killing them is no less than killing them in a gas chamber in a concentration camp. Israelis should voice their disgust or accept collective fault.

Just in time for the vernal equinox, when the earth comes to life, a season of youth and renewal, 4 young men were mowed down like red poppies in the fields that they cultivated. What a message of hatred and evil. Eternal memory to them, who will never know another springtime. http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/147292

This sort of thing is SO 2004. Plus, it was just a Thai.

the Palestinians were not suicidal until they experienced the oppressive, murderous IDF and the slow but deliberate eviction from their land and country.

I am amused at all who scream their outrage, because it's Israel. This happens very often in LA. The stupid ones that attack armed enforcement personnel with deadly weapons, are just calling for it.

What ever happened to that little girl that got the two extra bullets in the head when IDF soldiers noticed that she was only wounded? Has she been found guilty of something yet? We'd like to cover the trial . . . . . . . . . . Lot$ of video already, but a little more couldn't hurt.

I take it blaming the victim makes you feel better about it all. Pity the poor IDF guys who had to put their precious bullets in these 15 year olds' heads!

If I were there I would have fired to protect my life and comrades. This 19 year old terrorist was as old as some IDF soldiers. What is wrong with the arabs that they think they can throw stones, kill, stab, suicide bomb and not be held accountable.How is the world helping these people by letting them think this is acceptable

The Pals parents and adults in authority have GROOMED their children to attack and kill Israelis and will use their deaths for political ends. How macabre. Through sinister brain-washing, they have destroyed their children's minds. What they reap is what they sowed. As an aside - I would not at all be surprised if this turns out to be another Palywood installment. Are all the bodies in the morgue accounted for? What about the drug-overdose patients? They will pose for a few dollars. You can't blame people for being SKEPTICAL - from their past record, you can't believe a darn thing thing they say. It's kind of early for All Fools Day, April 1st.

After an 'íncident' the goal is clearly to cover up not to investigate. In incidents like these the place of the incident should be treated as a crime scene.

I would be happy to take the log from my eye if you will cooperate by pointing out the number of times I have used insulting language about another poster or used the kind of argument you do when you avoid the point under discussion by changing the subject. I look forward to your alerting me when I do that, as I will continue to comment on such behavior on your part.

Listen, this is a pattern. Israel want's a whole scale riot so they can declare an security crisis which leads them to demolishing more Pal homes. The IDF Goon Squads rival the brutality of the SS.

Common sense suggests that the real reason pitchforks were used is because they were immediately available for the IDF soldiers to plant on the dead bodies.

Do you know what a rubber bullet is? It is NOT what its name implies. It's a rubber-coated steel cylinder, meant to be shot only at legs and feet, and only from a distance of not less than 40 meters, and only after all other riot control measures have proven ineffective. A hit in ANY vital area, such as the head or chest, is likely to be just as lethal as a regular bullet. So no matter which was used, the intention was to kill.

All the Hasbara in the world can't explain away that which is inherently evil.

If Palestinian Leadership would stop inciting their youth from participating in riotous behavior- and if parents were to monitor their 16-18 year old sons, then future injuries or deaths on both sides could be prevented. The young men were throwing large rocks, pieces of glass, and other dangerous items that could seriously injure, maim, or kill their opponents. Had the young men chosen not to riot, then they would still be living at this very moment. Are we not all responsible for the choices we make? Let Hamas leadership issue directives to stop the rioting. It's as simple as that. Were they to do so, then there would likely be no more injuries or deaths on either side.

Thanks for your generalisations on this one Does this then mean that ALL Israelis are brainwashed mindless murdering land stealing jews hell bent on war with all arab nations or can we be more specific here and simply state that 'even' IF these kids were being suicidal (which there is no proof btw) that they have nothing else to lose? The 'peace process' so far has been a sham and 40+ years of land theft under the guise of every peace negotation that has taken place is statement enough that everything is stacked against the Palestinians - even the impartial US. I'm all for an enquiry but i for one do not belive that ALL israelis are gun toting land stealing maniacs, the same statement applies to the Palestinians too though i do appreciate that all sides in all conflicts everywhere harbour these types.

PA Abbas.Galavanting all over the world insdead of staying put & helping his people. The only thing that interests their leaders:Who has a more Luxurious Palace. These are your 'leaders': Thieves Thugs & Liars. All the youth killed in the w. bank lies squarly on the heads of a) Ashton,the double-face-double-chin ugly woman. b)Ban Ky Moon,the half-closed-eyed man who only sees one side of the coin. c)Their foolish parents,letting them off the leash instead of giving them an education to become the future leaders. A corrupt society,telling them to go to hell if they blow themselves up & there they'll finally have all the 72. Hey ! You 2-cent leaders.Why don't you Or your own children show them the way to VALAHLLA ?

To Israel: Embrace a future without violence. Do this for the sake of your soul. Until then the world continues to watch in horror.

And why aren't they kept completely away from the Palestinian fields?

Could the same been said of the Jewish freedom fighters in the Warsaw Ghetto? After all, they too went on a suicide mission. Rash, even suicidal reactions are a typical outcome to perceived injustice, hopelessness and oppression. But then the State of Israel would not knowingly create and impose such a condition on another people, would they?

Are you really that delusional? What ever gave you the idea that Arabs wanted peace, it was they that initiated all the wars, and you can throw the riots of 1929 & 1936 into the mix and those most certainly peaceful acts by any stretch of your warped mind You see, tables were turned, what you tried to do to Israel was reversed Please, no more moronic letters to me, it's a waste of time

Since the age 17 enlistment was a fact, I wouldn't have mentioned it if it was otherwise, go check it for yourself Sorry there was no trial for the teens, there wasn't any time, it seems they were intent on doing immediate murder Villages were easy come easy go, they thought it would be easy to drive the Jews out, it wasn't, so in the process they lost more than they though to gain BTW-When are you going to return the land to the Aboriginies, since you're so busy sounding off about land??

who cares how old someone is? if a 10 yr old or an 80 year are attempting to attack me with a weapon and i have a gun, im shooting them. in most normal countries, my defensive measure would be seen accordingly... get real people.

You've got me thinking. Perhaps the "multiple bayonet type devices" were of sophisticated Iranian design! Perhaps the Palestinians could learn from Israel's Wall building security measures and build walls around the various settlements. If allowed to leave their settlements, settlers of course could be protected by Palestinian police to ensure their safety. To further protect Palestinians from the settlers, the Palestinians could over time arrest large numbers of settlers and keep them jailed for an indeterminate time. Such an approach would help contribute to even the playing field, as some have suggested. There is another approach. Why not stop the insanity.

Beats me how peaceful demonstrators march with pitch forks. Maybe they were on their way to work to earn an honest day's wage when they happened to bump into the idf patrol due to a faulty gps signal.

Rather stupidly done with pitchforks

Any fool, including you, should know that when you supply funds and weapons to anyone that enables him to commit a crime, it makes you and accessory, before, during and after the fact Saudi Arabia performs all of the functions that enables terror organization to carry out their act Iran is directly involved in Lebanon & Palestine via their puppets of Hamas and Hezbollah There's nothing illegal about building in territory that you've captured by virtue of the very fact that your enemy first tried to steal it from you, as the Arabs did when they invaded the Jewish State in May 1948 Gaza's warzone was self induced misery, intentionally caused by Hamas when she fired more than 10,000 rockets into Israel during the span of 8 years, most of which were directed at Israeli civilian villages Just think of it as you having the "COURAGE" (what a laugh) of punching your neighbor and th en putting on glasses, and you're claiming that he can't hit you because you're wearing glasses

harold, you get the award for stupidity. congreg

I realize Arab life is cheap to apartheid New Israel and her apologists, but Can't the immoral IDF disperse a mob without killing teenages? Racist and criminal.

I can't help but thinking about how dumb these palis really are. The parents should be reported by all the insane losers who are so quick to cry every time a pali decides to want to die. pali death wishers unite.

palis play with fire and get burned

Trying to kill. Now there are two fewer murderers, while they get their 72 virgins. Win-win.

"There needs to be a level playing field for all Palestinians with Israelis - I`m sure you agree!" Why not this, PROTEST WITHOUT THE PITCHFORK OR STONES? The right to protest is not, stum (hebrew), right to protest, it is right to PEACEFUL protest. Why would you bring a weapon there, unless you are a soldier and must carry one? Blurring these lines is very dangerous and happening. Why is your argument valid: Hypothetical, You are 6'10 250lbs, I am 5'1" 120lbs. If I knock you in the face should you be forced to hit me with less? I agree on Rubber bullets and target practice to hit lower abdomin, but not to hold the account of perfection on imperfect creatures under duress. a tragedy to lose life, especially youths lives. its Sad they did not get to a more "western" Teenage experience,

if someone wants to kill you with a "pitchfork" or a knife, they need to be closer than 5 feet to you. someone with a gun can shoot you from 100 feet away. I hardly doubt that those kids where anywhere close to the IDF soldiers who shot them. think about the distance.

I was there they were running at that soldier which was far from the others with pitchforks, then shoot with live ammo. I'm guessing the rubber bullets bit refers to the demos that followed. keep it real, peace out!

Israel and thug settlers are occupying Palestinian territories. What is it about "occupy" that you are unable to understand, Malach? Israel's occupation is in Palestinian space.

Just read Chris Hedges' 2002 Harper's piece about Israeli sharp shooters killing Arab teens for sport. Hedges is an unbiased Pulitzer winner who used to be on staff at the pro-Israel New York Times.

Anyone who attacks armed soldiers at a checkpoint with a pitchfork is obviously suicidal. Unfortunately, as by now the whole world knows, a lot of Palestinians are suicidal. They are the only nation in the world that has turned suicide into a political strategy and a preferred way of bringing up children.

Just another crime by the IDF Why are people suprised ? This just one of many many by the IDF murders.

what is clear and unfortunately it appears it escapes you, is that those stone throwing youth are saying to the idf: go home to israel, because they cannot standanymore the oppressing presence of the israeli army bossing aroun with their lives in their own cities. do you understand what this is all about? go away, back to where you belong. you have no businees in palestine.

and the ages when revealed? How many over thirty have ever been involved?

Is that a joke? lmao yeah right. Please tell me who in their right mind will believe a pack of thieves and thugs? Their officers lie about ATV accidents and for sure they will lie about this. Thieves and thugs.

Just like Cast Lead, another disproportionate response from the IDF.

The Palestinian Authority routinely, uncontrollably, incites violence against Israeli citizens with blood libels, and then exploits the resulting tragedies, to yet ramp up further the cycle of injury and death. This is not a negotiating partner but an irredentist rejectionist organization that recycles the tactics of agitation, appeal to anti-Zionist prejudice and self-righteousness, and gutting all moves towards negotiating in favor of cheap theatrics and unilateralist wheedling of the international nations to circumvent negotiations and impose salami-cut delegitimatizing penalties on Israel. The reflexive denunciation of Israel and impulsive whitewashing of Palestinian violence by some here and like-minded "progressives" is no reason for Israel to commit suicide for a Palestinian polity now drenched in a Nazi-influenced policy of liquidating "Judaization". The moral debt to the Palestinians expired decades ago.

Israelis are not living under a brutal occupation Palestinians ARE!I wish exactly the same for the brutal occupiers!!!!

The Arabs and by proxy the Palis attacked Israel in '48 and '67, lost the war they started and lost land. The Palis had the whole of the West Bank beyond the Green Line w/East Jerusalem and the whole of the Gaza until '67 but having a state was not on their mind; they wanted then and want now all of Israel. Sorry Pali guys, you gambled and you lost; not even in Vegas you get your losses refunded. Take what you are offered now, as long as there is something left for you. We sit on our G-d given land and not moving anywhere, get this into your thick skull, and same goes to the Israel/Jews bashers on this and all Israeli newspapers, keep foaming guys and gals, that's the most you can achieve. Peace on Israel and on the IDF's blessed hands and fingers. Whoever has a problem with this can drink the Sea of Gaza, as your hero Arafat used to say, Matnika nafsak ys gawad!

The Arabs and by proxy the Palis attacked Israel in '48 and '67, lost the war they started and lost land. The Palis had the whole of the West Bank beyond the Green Line w/East Jerusalem and the whole of the Gaza until '67 but having a state was not on their mind; they wanted then and want now all of Israel. Sorry Pali guys, you gambled and you lost; not even in Vegas you get your losses refunded. Take what you are offered now, as long as there is something left for you. We sit on our G-d given land and not moving anywhere, get this into your thick skull, and same goes to the Israel/Jews bashers on this and all Israeli newspapers, keep foaming guys and gals, that's the most you can achieve. Peace on Israel and on the IDF's blessed hands and fingers. Whoever has a problem with this can drink the Sea of Gaza, as your hero Arafat used to say, Matnika nafsak ys gawad!

God rest your young souls

Do you think that disarming a boy with a pitchfork requires use of deadly force? Maybe if a soldier was down and the boy was standing over him it would qualify. Absent that, it's murder. I hope we see further descriptions, maybe videos, of this encounter so we can see what it was. BTW, a shot to the heart is tough to pull of if one is being attacked; it's quite easy for a trained shooter from a fixed position. The other boy was hit in the head. Think about it.

It's getting tough, and you are on the wrong side.

Using live ammunition on someone trying to kill you with a pitchfork is a good thing to do. Wharts the difference between a pitchfork , a knife and a gun. None... all can kill and kill quickly . So these punks decided to be heroes and paid for their bad decision with their lives.

You must be either a Jew or part of the Zionist Mossad to say what you said.

While palis teens or not rty to pitchfork a soldier. These teens were dumb ass, and they should have simply listened to teh order for id rather than trying to stab a armed trooper. Their own stupidity cost them their lives.

True and well said Maureen Ann. Sophia has to wise-up. The IDF teens are trained to be killers and wipe out the Palestinians.

You ask. Well they are willing to blow themselves up with with 100% chance of death. Now I will let you do the rest.

Every Israeli man and women have blood on their hands. This zionist plan is to match the killing number of Jews killed by the Nazis.

born like that? Or does it take practice? "State Sponsored, surely you meant Saudi Arabia & Iran.." Allegedly. But I don't believe they've invaded and OCCUPYING anyone, Illegally annexing. Building illegal civilian infrastructure in "territories occupied", illegally selling land in "territories occupied" to illegal settlers, all aided by a multi-billion dollar military who terrorizes Gaza's civilians with no means of escape from a war zone because this, 'peace loving' neighbour, closed all the crossings under the 2005 agreement. Nothing of course, that a person with myopia can can bring themselves to acknowledge

Well said. These crimes would not have happed if there was no occupation. The WORLD has to wake up from hibernation.

Too bad the IDF can't fight that well against Hezbollah. After all they shoot back.

how come those dangerous terrorists disguising as peasants never manage to hurt a settler or kill a soldier! how come they always die while pretending to cultivate their land stolen from the settlers ancestors like thousands years ago! I believe israel should prohibit usage of tools to cultivate lands, and should also strip the palestinian land from stones.

Other news reports are a little more balanced. The shots were possibly fired after the riots had ended. On the pitch forks, the shots indicated they were in the back. Not sure what it means--but hardly as the IDF says. On the use of rubber bullets--apparently even the IDF is skeptical. Rubber bullets do not leave exit wounds. Would be great to see a real investigation of this by the press.

the incident..What a joke!!!

norman elliot, God did not give you those lands, wake the hell up already!!the EU the UN and the USA gave you those lands, unless you think God is mortal. but mortals that you think they are, does not give them the right to give away another peoples land. i think you need a lesson on life and to be reprogrammed back into humanity, the how ever many years you have been brainwashed as taken a tole on your brain.

Protection, That's when somebody doesn't do what you want so you kill them, right? Usually 'protection' involves getting paid not to kill them, but in this case - if they just sit back and let you steal their land, they won't have any 'trouble'.

7:5: " You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your neighbor's eye. "

The Israeli occupation forces are soldiers and operate throughout the occupied areas as ordered by their commanders. The PA police are a civil authority operating by agreement in specific areas only. The two are simply not comparable.

The IDF's version of events makes no sense. What chance would two Palestinian teenage farmers armed with pitchforks possibly think they had if they tried to attack heavily armed Israeli troops? Does this sound remotely plausible? Or does it sound like the IDF lying as usual, like their claiming to have only used rubber bullets yesterday when two Palestinian demonstrators were shot dead (you can't shoot someone dead through the chest with a rubber bullet).

On this particular topic you posted five times attacking other people's countries, never trying to defend Israel. This is a typical Absolute Sweden MO. Is it that you have come to realize you have no substantive defenses of Israel and are forced to attack others as your only reply?

You are absolutely right, Palestinians have been paying and very dearly for what happened to the jews in Europe. I sadly agree that the day will come when jews will have to pay the bill for the palestinians. Israel has been doing extremely well in planting a lot of seeds of hatred among the palestinians and someday , they will have to harvest what they have been planting, unfortunately.

well peter we all know that the settlers usually start things, and they know that the soldiers are not to let anything happen to them. but the fact is isrl never protects anyone other than their own. i have seen many cases where idf soldiers used farmers as target practice. and all they were doing was trying to tend to their crops. why not check out things for yourself instead of relying on the isrlie gov't to give u info. a picture gives a thousand words. wouldn't you say. google it peace keepers started keeping video cameras to keep records. personally i would question anything isrl gives as an excuse. yeah protecting the pals, thats like sayign they want to have pals live among them. we all know thats not true.

folks were dispossessed by a peace loving neighbour, maybe twice. And you'd spent your entire life being hassled by your occupier's military and it's vile illegal settlers. Having to be protected by IDFers who are likely themselves illegal settlers, who very likely don't shot illegal settlers when they beat up on your family? C'mon, you can be honest with me...can't you?

Logic tells us that peace is not in the interest of the israeli government. They clearly and repeatedly claim their right over the whole land from the RIVER TELL THE Sea. If there is a peace, Israel loses land, therefore, the best and only way for Israel to keep the whole land is to avoid any peace so that they keep the Status Quo.

At leasst it's easier than taking on Hezbollah

"In the U.S. a 17 year old is allowed to enlist with parental permission" Active duty? WOW!! Do the US military know this? "In the U.S. the judge will decide if the 13 year old should be tried as a juvenille or adult, depending upon the nature of the crime" There was a trial for these teens? I missed that part. Glad to know that a US judge has jurisdiction in Palestinian "territories occupied" WOW!!! AMAZZZZING! Learning something every day sure is exciting. "Stop quoting legalities while the Palestinian`s direct their mortar fire at Israeli towns and villages" A) How many of these Israeli villages and towns are in Actual Israeli Sovereign territory? Mmmmm? Shall we look at what Israel told us & a map .. http://wp.me/PDB7k-Y#look B) How many of them were built on razed Non-Jewish homes, farms, villages and towns? C) You do know where Israel's actual "recognizED" Sovereign territorial boundaries are ...YES? (apart from lost in the fog of Hasbara hot air)

rich when was the last time an isrlie was killed at the hands of a pal? and i'm not talking about soldiers either. and we are not going to include migrant workers either, because i have my suspicions about the last one.

Kneecapping is much more effective and deters others from attacking the IDF, after all who wants to hobble around on crutches or be bound to a wheelchair for the remainder of their new lifestyle situation The target will recover somewhat, never again able to run and attack Plus, he'll be a drain on his family & community

-ildren are sentenced lifelong sentences. Like those 2 10-years old sentenced for murdering a toddler ,James Bolger. Released after serving 8 yars ,one of them ,James Venables is now reaarrested and faces lifelong sentence for violating conditions under which he was released 10 years ago. Send your stats to the Commonwealth Office in London instead.

State Sponsored, surely you meant Saudi Arabia & Iran, who are the prime sponsors of worldwide terrorism

http://rabbiwatch.com/ then understand that all Irish people are not part of the Catholic Church. And some of us are calling for these criminal "PADRES" to be put in Jail. Lets be honest absolute bs---you dont want lectures from anyone---do you sb. So off you go and address your own "PADRE" problem.It is far worse than you might think.

I wonder what your attitude would be if you were attacked by someone using a fine Italian switchblade knife, and a cop came to your defense and killed the attacker

As usual you have it bass ackwards History and facts clearly indicate that the Palestinian's and their Arab allies first attacked Israel in May 48, again in '56, '67 & '73, in each instance trying to steal Israeli land Since the Arabs refused to adhere to the Rhodes agreement, Israel was forced to establish a buffer to repel further attacks, which she did in '67, a yet another Arab attack It's really s shame, you write so damn much while refusing to go and observe and help out on a first hand basis

multiple leg shredders...

"he question really is what was the IDF doing in their fields." It's a pity that they didn't teach you to read, the article clearly stated why the IDF was there Try reading again, maybe you'll absorb it this time around

In the U.S. a 17 year old is allowed to enlist with parental permission In the U.S. the judge will decide if the 13 year old should be tried as a juvenille or adult, depending upon the nature of the crime Stop quoting legalities while the Palestinian's direct their mortar fire at Israeli towns and villages

If it,s not a knife , it is apitchfork and if it,snot a pitchfork, it must be a stone. The thing is that the palestinians are always the bad guy who always attacks the poor soldiers who come to the palestinian villages to protect the palestinian villagers !! Please, give me a break . The soldiers are there to protect and to help the settlers do their good job with the palestinians freely. Ask the villagers if they like the kind of help that the soldiers give them. The Army Spokeswoman says that live ammunition was not used but the human right group BT selem did their investigation and confirmed the use of live ammunition , so who is lying? it,s always the same story, soldiers kill palestinians and immediately announces that soldiers were defending themselves from the savage palestinians and that live ammunition was not used. These atrocities committed by soldiers and settlers on a daily basis is the main source of accumilating anger and then hatred on the part of the palestinians .

If a couple of your neighbors came charging at you with a couple of pitchforks, you would either defend yourself or get stabbed to death Think of the pitchfork as a multiple bayonet type device

All armies use teenager,s they're at their best and most vigorous at that age A stone will kill you as readily as a bullet if you're at pistol range If you want a "level playing field" then you should have kept your promise to go and help out

The report does not ring true and is incomplete. Why attack armed solders with just pitchforks? Rage? If attacked, then use rubber rounds, stuns guns or shoot to bring down (in the legs?). No need to kill. But surely the best way to avoid such deaths is for the IDF and settlers not to be there in the first place. Any chance of a Northern Ireland type peace? Or is the hatred too deep? Or the situation too far gone? To George in Budapest, Islam will not dominate Europe, but statements like yours will certainly increase the resentment of Muslims in Europe. For a secular Europe. For a secular Israel.

hey Abso fail to see the relevance of a foreign father to the death of these Palestinians. you should really read the article before you send posts on irrelevant subjects. you may want to seek help for this. the swedish mental health service is quite good

When you attack someone with a pitchfork you deserve to be shot dead on the spot. And also rocks, boulders etcc. can kill you to . Go IDF, protect your citizens against the culture that names streets and parks after suicide bombers.

(anyone else who might or might not be a terrorist + anyone who happens to be nearby) 200 terrorists @ 10 collateral = 2,000 per day 14.000 per week Oh. Did you mean state sponsored terroristas with multi-billion dollar militaries or the home grown dispossessed stateless variety who're a response to the former illegally taking their lands and occupying them?

Were you there?

What were the Israel soldiers doing in the West Bank in the first place? That is Palestinian territory.

points the way

israel needs to stop there monterous acts everything they do will be its history

Re: The level playing fields. So what you are saying is that the IDF should arm their "teens" with pitchforks and sling shots?

Her Jewish partner rejected her and she takes now all this on Jews. Wake up Maureen!

No lectures from Ireland on anything .Period.

Shoot to death 200 terrorists in one day and to hell w the UN!!

they are willing to kill in order to get another Intifada up and running. Anyone watching this conflict will surely see the De Ja Vous nature of this latest Zionist effort. The west bank has been relatively quite for 12 months --or more but as soon as Israel is faced with international scorn and demands to civilise coincidentally ---the IDF finds (terrorists".# too late Israel---you might as well stop killing them---the gig is up--you have been outed---by yourself.

Terrorists will be defeated.

it's because they never arrest those responsible. knowing that nobody ever intervenes to bring them to justice they continue to commit murder after murder, with the complicity of an indifferent and unapologetic government. the government should be held responsible too for allowing so murders to take place.

Thats where you are wrong buddy. And thats whats screwing Israel. ther image of the murderous apartheid state grows and grows

the kids yesterday shot them selves. The guys today turned their pitchforks on themselves. on top the pitchforks seemed to have been supplied by Iran, according to the investigation random report generator

Israeli settlements in occupied Palestinian territories are built on a foundation of Zionist terror. And you know it!

hmm the death of Palestinian teenagers has something to do with Argentina and the Falklands. Try as I might I could not find any reference to this. Maybe it has something to do with sheep. You do have a fascination with sheep. Maybe you could try Dresden... thats a good one Berk

Palestinians are not capable of a nonviolent protest

No congratulations to you, Aby, for failing to understand the IDF was defending water-well stealing, rabble settlers who harass Palestinian villagers on a daily basis!

It's the same pattern all over again. When Israel comes under pressure to get serious about peace, it kills a few Palestinians hoping that will get Pal terrorists to respond and Israel can then go whining to America saying, 'We'd SO love to make peace, but we have no partner for peace!'

...over the coming days, as Israel desperately tries to provoke the palestinians into riot, choas, and mayhem. What Israel fears most is a non-violent palestinian resistance. Israel will do whatever is needed in order to stifle such resistance, while openly fanning the flames of violence. Israel can handle violence until the cows come home. Violence is like Mother's Milk to Israelis. It's peace they can't deal with. Being just human like the rest of us isn't good enough for them. They're special.

The article omits several kep oints here The first is that the local settlers had repeatedly attacked the farming Palestinians, and had tried to pollute or block their local water supply. The second key point is that this can not be described as riot dispertsal, as one of the victims x rays show a live round embedded in his skull (pointing toward his face 0 suggesting he was shot in the back of the head), and the other died from entry and exit wounds to the chest - something rubber bullets can't achieve even if fired at point blank range. One does question whether the same would have occurred had the dead been Israeli. Whatever the case, tensions are mounting...

its all lie.Stop your lying

when the left starts using euphemisms, us liberals must gard ourselves from falling into this trap. liberalism doesnt mean the end of pragmatism.

Everyone here knows better than the reporter and has their own version of what had happened. I'll tell you two things: I don't know what had happened but if someone would charge on me with a pitchfork, I would definitely defensively attack him with whatever weapon I hold, and if this had happened to you and you wouldn't do so then you would be dead and if you don't believe me that pitchforks are deadly, check on the net about what happened to Israeli soldiers as they were sleeping in their base in Northern Israel on February 14th 1992, a night AKA "The night of the pitchforks".

... seems surprised that soldiers carry military weapons. She calls for a level playing field between IDF and Pals. Now, that would be interesting. Should the IDF be equipped with rocks only? Or should the Pals all run around with rifles? Both sound like a recipe for disaster. Something went on in that field, obviously. I don't buy the claims that the "farmers" were just innocently pitchforking their field when the IDF walked over and shot them for no reason.

Ofcourse the best armyin the world Ala Einak

resources. But we are glad you admit Israel needs lecturing.

Never trust the israeli version. Never

What do you do when you are attaking them?

Whenever peace or even peace talks threaten, Israel begins killings so as to make clear that peace isn't possible. Sometimes Palestinians take the bait. Here we go again.

Yea keep doing your barbaric and inhuman acts on the defenseless palestinian kids, a day will come where you will pay for all that. I can't beleive hitler's victims are doing the same thing on others, shame on you.

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Your statement condones the murder of civilians. What type of mindset do you have?? The Palestinians have endured over 60 years of a brutal occupation that has killed, maimed, imprisoned, stole, bombed and terrorizes an indigenous people that have lived in Palestine for thousands of years.... What part don't you understand ?? I suggest you do some research on Palestine it's history and people before you comment. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

but now ,starting oil boring around Islas Malvinas. GB in no position to preach to Israel

The mayor of Awarta, the village where the two boys were killed, just confirmed that the IDF spokesperson changed their statement about the supposed attack. Three boys were working with farming tools in their fields near the checkpoint. The Israeli soldiers came to ask them for their IDs, then shot them in cold blood--killing 2 of them, and injuring the 3rd and then taking him away. The 3rd boy has just been returned alive and as the only palestinian witness to the event, may be the reason the IDf changed their statement about what happened

I don't necessary believe that the two youths were killed by rubber bullets. If you're hit in the temple or head yes, but the chest? Who's using this as an excuse to further escalate the situation.

Agressor tried to kill an armed soldier and soldier used his right of self defence and shot him. You won't try to convince me that the guy wanted to show soldier his brand new turbo pitchfork,will you.

Why oh why do the Palestinians hate so? Why will they not recognize that the Great Real Estate God gave this land to us Jews and in perpetuity? Until the Pal's can learn to love us Jews as themselves, there will be no peace in this land, for we have the guns.

Pitchfork v live bullets. Great army you have there!

Mr Sweden. Let me introduce you to Mr PSM. You two have much in common, particularly a penchant for using distraction as a strategy for avoiding charges of wrongdoing. And when you have been caught with your chubby hand in the cookie jar, you do as many 8 y.o.'s do and wail that big brother Jack took HALF A CAKE ten years ago. Pathetic!

Soldiers are provided with shields against stone throwers, they do not generally shoot them. Trained soldiers could disarm a youth with a pitchfork in a second, it is unnecessary to shoot them. OK, Israel's is a conscript army with lower standards of professionalism, but even conscript soldiers do not generally shoot civilian demonstrators outside of Burma or Iran. It comes down to the military, politically-sanctioned Rules of Engagement. These are very strict in Western countries, a long list of what is not allowed, and soldiers who break them face courts martial and charge in a civil court. It seems the ROEs are very lax in Israel, at least when it comes to Arabs. It smells of a racist culture, where Arab lives are widely seen as cheap and expendable and any punishment meted out is 'justifiable' because they are, after all, only Arabs. We all wait to hear of the first ever stone-throwing, Arab-beating settler extremist shot by the IDF on similar flimsy grounds.

You call this Palestinian violance? AMAZING

Gordon Brown and his socialist goverment decided to steal national resources of Argentine ,oil around Islas Malvinas... How about spinning on that ,much closer home theme rather than writing a little essay on the "right wing Israeli Goverment" as was your wont?

They were surprised when the IDF stopped them as they were dressed as farmers. They were disguised to attack a settlement. Last year an ax killed a 13 year old settler. This could have been a massacre of a lot of settler kids.

"Palestinians maintain that the two teenagers were hit by live ammunition and that the soldiers prevented Palestinian medical staff from evacuating them. The two teenagers were subsequently rushed to the hospital in private cars. The Israeli military denied using live ammunition, however, the human rights group B'Tselem, which sent an investigator to the hospital in Nablus, confirmed that both casualties were the result of live rounds."

when Israeli Jews or settlers throw stones at the security apparatus of the Israeli State they get arrested. In fact I am not aware of one incident where aJewish stone thrower has been shot by a soldier of the Israeli Defence Force. So why aren't the tactics employed against Jewish demonstrators employed against the Palestinian people? Or is that different?

Israel is igninting the fuse for a third intifada. Nothing can united the Palestinians like the scenes if their dead youngs wrapped in Palestinian flags on their way to their grave.

Killing people is barbaric, I agree with that, I could only whish, that that would never be necessary, as in this case.But you too are falling for the paradigm, that what Arabs do is always good and justified.like the muslim army psychiatrist

I hope the idf gets these investidations right. Both seem odd. Runner bullets are used all over the world with few deaths like those. On the pitch fork the witnesses are dead. But again why would someone attack soldiers who are carrying rifles. Sounds like there was an argument first. Time to tell the whole story.

Mostly about organized confrontation with stone throwing youth From the above report the soldiers were on patrol PROTECTING Pals

The only cowards are the settlers who pollute the Pals water, rip out their olive trees and crops and generally make their lives untenable - these cowardly thugs have the full protection of the IDF, and are never made accountable for their crimes. Do you think you would feel safe and secure if you were a Palestinian PSM? Really, would you?

It is telling the IDF when a fight starts goes after the Palestinians who were attacked, and not after the settlers who started the fight. Speaks volumes about Israeli justice.

"Shekoach"

Did the IDF send middle age men or 19 or 20 year old grunts? Same thing.

ghanistan is carefully covered-up ,and you know it. Less than 10% of all cases are invesigated and reported.

Anyone remember what happend last time when Netanyahu came around to become a PM? In the last several years, thanks to Olmert and Livni, Israel the situation in the region balanced out towards non-violence. Israel had confrontations with Hamas in the strip, but West Bank was quiet, and this is due to government policies implemented at the time. This government is trying everything to provoke violence from WB's population. We have seen this before, in the 90's and now they are at it again. As every month goes by, the region will become more and more inflamed.

Are you serious? The Krav Maga trained soldiers could not overpower two peasants with primitive tools? They had to shoot them dead? And in ynet they call this is a terror attack? The term is too broadly defined and is splashed here and there to justify the murder of angry civilians. I wonder if the outcome would have been the same, had they been Jewish!

show the same concern for israelis murdered by arabs in deliberate attacks or even arabs killed by other arabs in sectarian violence and i`ll take your "concern" seriously.... you ever posted your concern about inter palestinian killings ?" Usually you point to internal Palestinian strife as proof they cannot make peace. I never once saw your post showing concern for Palestinians being fizzled by White Phospherous. Cut the hypocracy rich---it is as transparent as the Israeli claim to desire peace.

I guess you are not refereing to these settlers (see below) as they are out and about (not at home) terrorising Pal village: "every Saturday settlers come to the village, attack the locals and destroy property, leading to clashes with the Palestinians. "

If so it cannot be ruled out that this was a terrorist attack committed by these "soldiers".

"while they send their children are sent out to confront the army?" No one sent children to confront the army! they were in their fields tending their crops when the incident happened. The question really is what was the IDF doing in their fields. Typically the settlers harrass the Pals with the IDF a their side protecting them. Last week two settlers were dumping dry bags of cement into a natural spring on pal land with three Idf soldiers protecting the settler criminals. This crap happens every day!

adults. Israel has signed the Convention on Children which says people 18 year and over are adults. The age of Israel adulthood is 18 years and over. Dual standards at it's simplest. Meanwhile, a teen can be BOTH a child or an adult. "Most Israeli soldiers are `Teens`.." Uh huh. are they 16 yrs? "most arab demonstrators are `Teens`... " ..they could be between 13 & 19. The IDF are ALL adult [some teens] "Why insist on giving the impression that Israel kills children?" If they're under 18, and Israel kills them, they are children by the International Standards that Israel refuses to apply to Palestinians, only to it's own. "Amos Harel, using demagogical techniques will not enable you to gain any more respect from readers. Quite the contrary." Read the article carefully. 1st /item a 19-year-old Palestinian died / 2nd /Another youth, Ibrahim Abd al-Khader Kadus, 16,/ Try reading & comprehension 101.

More tragic stories to read, the IDF has just caused a family with two dead young people leaving them suffering all their lives and FOR WHAT? Why would IDF be there? Killing people would just foster hatred against Israel and stimulates violence. The naive argument is that IDF were protecting Palestinians against the settlers!!! Why don't you just get the settlers out of the land of these farmers. And now if Pals responded to these crimes they would call it terrorism. Killing people in this is absolute terrorism and the world must list IDF on the terrorist list!

How appropriate that the Paloes were carrying them too.

show the same concern for israelis murdered by arabs in deliberate attacks or even arabs killed by other arabs in sectarian violence and i'll take your "concern" seriously.... you ever posted your concern about inter palestinian killings ?

What are you waiting from IDF throwing stones in return. or not to give an answer. Wake up. stones can also kill a man. If you were instead of an Israeli soldier I bet you trig the weapon much more quickly, cause it is your life, or sheet in your pant. Aby

I'm sure you know that as soon as the IDF turn up the PA have to relent control and are not allowed anywhere near a zone where the IDF is patrolling.

this area falls under full israeli control. pal police not allowed to operate there.

So 4 Palestinians killed so far this weekend and the talk is always about Israel's 'security' What about some security for the Palestinians?

etc for cowards who stay at home while their children are sent out. Should be the other way around don't you agree? Ever been hit in the face by a slingshot or a brick on your skull Maureen? Harmless?? wouldn't you agree??

while they send their children are sent out to confront the army?

Violent muslims are fighting and not demonstrating. We see it in EU what they like to do with Europe - "Islam will dominate Europe" So IDF just did what is neccessary

QUOTE: "Supporting Police Work in Palestine" "Training by German experts is just one of Germany's contributions to equipping the police force; it is also providing vehicles and infrastructure as well as building police stations. All of these measures are taking place under the auspices of the European police mission EUPOL COPPS, which coordinates contributions from different European countries and advises the Palestinian police force." http://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/diplo/en/Aussenpolitik/RegionaleSchwerpunkte/NaherUndMittlererOsten/AktuelleArtikel/090509-bka-tatort.html and after all, they are not even able to control some protestors throwing stones ? where was the local police ? incapable, cowardish, stupid. if they had just done their job, this wouldnt have happened. ...its about time to stop this charade there...

are armed to the teeth with military weapons. Not stones and sling-shots! There needs to be a level playing field for all Palestinians with Israelis - I'm sure you agree!

R.I.P! So young oh my God!!!!

Using anything that causes death to people demonstrating for their rights is a crime that deserve the utmost sever punishment no matter who is responsible. Let's not hold too much hope for justice though. It will never happen when it comes to the Arabs who are get killed by Israelis no matter who they are.

Most Israeli soldiers are 'Teens'.. most arab demonstrators are 'Teens'... Most of the people who participate in wars are 'Teens'.. Why insist on giving the impression that Israel kills children? Amos Harel, using demagogical techniques will not enable you to gain any more respect from readers. Quite the contrary.

using live ammunition on teenage demonstrators is just pure barbaric.

The US has already condemned the first death. The second death will be condemned as well. This may lead to sanctions on Israel because it increases the chance the US will abstain at the UN on Goldstone. Nice work.

According to the hospital x-ray.