Obama: We'll mull 'sanctions that bite' if Iran nuclear talks fail

Don't repeat it, bite right away before it is too late

What ever gave you the sub-moronic idea that Israel would use all of it's aircraft in an attack against Iran? Pity is you weren't thoughtful enough to realize that the IAF would keep a substantial force at home, just in case the enemy used the occasion for another Yom Kippur sneak attack against Israel It's called "Holding some in reserve" Since you never had any military experience, you wouldn't know that a soldier holds a few rounds in reserve, just in case

Those re-fueling tankers are like a gas station, jets will line up to tank up Some jets will tank up again before going in, others on the way back Ever hear of auxiliary wing tanks, that can be added or jettisoned as needed??

jim:"Israel will be supported by the usa and europe if they get into difficulty with iran have no doubt but the initial strike must be carried out by israel as the usa and european countries cannot because they are not under existential threat like israel is." Gees jim,you really haven't thought this out have you. First you have to take out their defense systems,the Iranian airforce,the Navy and any craft that can lay mines before you can even think of bombing any facilities. Then you have to put IDF on the ground to complete what was not destroyed in the initial attack etc etc. In reality Israel will need help from the U.S.A,which begs the question..can America afford to spread its forces again,when they're having trouble in Afghanistan Pakistan and Iraq?

Nobody gave Israel nuclear weapons it developed them domestically as it legally chose not to sign the NPT When exactly did Israel threaten Iran with annihilation? Israel has threatened to destroy Irans ILLEGAL nuclear weapons program if nobody else can stop them either through diplomacy or force. but thats as far as the threats against Iran go Israel has never threatened to annhalite anybody. Its will to go to war to defend its interests but never has it threatened to destroy anybody unlike the arabs & Iran have done in the past. The reason for this problem is Obama has turned the US into a paper tiger thats afraid to back up words with actions. The EU have always been a bunch of non confrontational. Russia & China who do so much trade with Iran they will never allow for serious sanctions which will hurt Iran. Obama who runs from more confrontations that Forrest Gump is holding Israel back As a result Irans feels it has nothing to worry about from anybody so it does as it pleases

The time for talking with iran has ended. It is up to israel to now assemble its formindable fleet of aircraft and prepare for an assault on iran. The israeli airforce had to do it back with iraq in the early 80's when they discovered saddam was developing a nuke program. Can you imagine what would have happened if saddam had gotten nukes? Israel will be supported by the usa and europe if they get into difficulty with iran have no doubt but the initial strike must be carried out by israel as the usa and european countries cannot because they are not under existential threat like israel is.

Cipora Julianna Kohn glad to see you back someone intelligent surrounded by so many jew hating bloggers

(retry) "Accusations are not proof" Hello, even the iranians ADMIT there IS a 2nd plant. Which they are REQUIRED but conveniently FAILED to tell the IAEA until it realises that the US is going to EXPOSE its SECRET. "Read the treaty" And Art III of the NPT states CLEARLY there are NO limits for the IAEA to have ACCESS to NUKE info or activities, etc. And iran is STONEWALLING. For a good reason (see below). "nuclear materials had not been introduced" That's what iran SAYS. Yet in 2003, IAEA found significant POLONIUM and HIGHLY ENRICHED URANIUM traces at Natanz. Since then, iran has NEVER been given a CLEAN BILL by the IAEA, as even its LATEST August report CLEARLY indicates. And NOW here is the SECRET second NUKE plant. There is a PATTERN of DECEIT and getting CAUGHT here.

Inteligence services, governments & even the IAEA all know Iran is in the middle of trying to develop a bomb. The fact Israel has nukes & we are trying to stop Iran getting them is not hypocrisy other than security its about legality. In 1968 Iran signed the Non Proliferation Treaty that forbid Iran from owning or developing nukes. Israel, India & muslim Pakistan all chose not to sign and that means under international law they are entitled to nukes if they want them. Israel has had nukes for 40 years and not once has it threatened to nuke any of its naighbors and the arabs know the rules we don't destroy Israel won't destroy us. In 2008 Sadudi Arabia said as long as Israel kept its nuclear ambiguity policy they would not develop nukes. They are considering developing them if Iran does but they are not worried about Israel. Iran also believes in the suicide cult and all it takes is a vision from Allah to make them use them. The palestinian issue has nothing to do with this issue.

how many times will it take to Obama to take a tougher stance in front of Iran ? Iran is buying more and more time to developp its nuclear program !!Obama waited for the iranian election thinking there would be a change he saw what happened ! he wants to dialogue with the iranian president they threw his invitation in his face

Stalin killed the 20 million by letting them die whether in Gulags or in famines, etc. Read Dr. Jivago or Soljenitsin. Oh yes, many were also shot...because they were "enemies of the people", or bourgeois. Those enemies were considered parasites, "sucking the blood of workers", thus dangerous to Communism. This method of killing is incomparably different than the horrible willful murders of Jews, in the millions, only because they were Jews, by the Nazis. Now you understand the uniqueness of the Holocaust?

My previously attempted comment was maybe too provocative to appear here? Once again: Anyone who knows how Israel deceived the US as it was building its nuclear bomb? 6 storeys underground, hidden away from inspectors. Fake control room. It is all on YouTube (BBC program). Israel got away with it and still does! Notice how seldom Israel's WMD's are mentioned? Great teachers!

this is mark's post #49 on the yossi melman article. mark, obama, president of the united states, specifically mentioned this "unfinished building" as being in violation of iran's obligations under international law. iran has just declared this "unfinished building" to the iaea. do you really think that the "building," inside a mountain and on a military base, which belonngs to iran's revolutionary guards, the armed guardians of iran's terror regime, is a building for playing ping pong?

shana tova, chag sameach, to you, dear kathy, and all friends. chag sameach to haaretz staff. p.s. i shall be very busy for the next few weeks, but shall try to be here as often as possible.

Stalin's regime was responsible for the deaths of 20 million Soviet citizens in peacetime. A 'nice baby'? Some of them were Jews, so that should provoke your tribal ire.

There is still no evidence of Iranian plans to build nuclear weapons. Iran has not broken the NPT. Why do you want to kill people? For having such hatred and such fear, you are to be pitied - but for the security of the world, you must be ignored and your country carefully guarded.

Iran announced the existence of the site only after they realized that news on its existence had been leaked out to international press. The site was in secret construction in a military zone since 2006 without informing the IAEA. That is why Obama is accusing Iran of hiding a secret uranium enrichment plant. Do you get it now?

Hi Cipora, Nice to see you again after a short absence. Just wanted to wish you, A very Happy Rosh Hashana. Hag Sameach,also to our dear Kathy, And all our friends in Israel & beyond the seas & oceans. Be of good cheer !

The UN established its reputation in 1974, when it invited Yasser Arafat to speak.!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The UN has become like the best circus in the world, the best clowns of the world Sheer lunacy. Ahmedinajad, Ghadaffi Chavez,killers of their citizens The rest of the world is sitting around scratching their butts.All Threats Nonsense

SM: "It was the US inteligence that stated errouneously last year that Iran abondend the work to reach the state soon within 2 years then to produce enough enriched U for atomic bombs." Meanwhile, back on planet Earth.... USA State Department Spokesman: "Well, I think what you?re referring to is the National Intelligence Estimate of a couple years ago. Well, again, this is obviously intelligence information, but I understand that in and of itself, the information that we announce today does not contradict the assessment that we made in the NIE in 2007."

Short memory?selective memory?what is the worst thing the west ever did?you can choose.WW1,WW2, use of WMD on civilians,colonism,genocide of natives,occupation,slavery,torture,regime change creation of Jordan,and those are only some of the choices you have.

CJ:"Strange, according to the NPT agreement, they ARE incompliance." Wrong again CJ, in 2005 the Board of Governors of the IAEA found that Iran had violated the safeguards agreement of the NPT. As a result UNSC demanded that Uranium enrichment stop. CJ:"No you are. They`re not in compliance with demands OUTSIDE the NPT agreement. Bt then, they`re not obliged to be." Not obliged to comply with a UNSC resolution? Really CJ? Why do you keep quoting them ad nauseum? Or do they only count when they are against Israel?

JB:"You are suggesting that Israel should NUKE Iran because it doesn`t like that Iran is enriching uranium?????????????" I think it's pretty clear that you have no idea what Iran is doing with their nuke program but that you will do as good a job as any Iranian government spokeperson in camouflaging it. Israel will use its nukes when faced with an existential threat. Period

uproar and warnings, expecially the belligerent ones treatening to destroy them. That'll make a single military strike to put them off quite difficult, at least for the israli side.

The US is nearing 5000 deaths and nearly 40,000 maimed in Iraq and it is not done. What you call mopping up is what Israel has been doing in Gaza and the West Bank since 1967. That war isn't over, either. You mistake active army on army combat for war. People on all sides in Iraq are still dying. Saddam didn't have a Navy. Saddam didn't have cruise missiles or submarines or 70 million in population. Our neocons also thought Iraq would pay the costs of the US invasion and occupation. We borrowed almost a $$ trillion for that and nobody in Iraq is paying the US back. We hocked the US future in Iraq before the economic meltdown last September, even before the $$Trillion giveaway to the banks and AIG. The only thing good about the neocons is that they are gone from power and hopefully will not return to power for several centuries. They were as good for the US as the Plantagenets were for Ireland.

Israel is reputed to have had nuclear weapons for over 40 years and in that entire time none of its Arab neighbours have felt sufficiently threatened by that to pursue a nuclear program of their own. Enter Iran, and reports by the IAEA like the one in Feb 2006 that Iran is cheating on its treaty obligations under its 1974 NPT Safeguards Agreement (IAEA Board of Governors Res. GOV/2006/14 (4 Feb. 2006)). Suddenly Egypt, the Saudis, and Gulf States (as well as Turkey) are talking about going nuclear. Seems that they know where the real threat is coming from even if the useful idiots who are Iran's apologists don't.

dino, - you took hold of that small part of my last paragraph, which i only added as an extra benefit a western military action against iran could yield (giving the west leverage vis a vis israel). it wasn't that important & israel has in fact little to do w/this. it's about stopping nuclear proliferation in the ME & at any price, just as proliferation shouldn't be allowed anywhere in the world. that's the only way to stop the arms race madness (jointly w/a gradual reduction of all nuclear arsenals globally). there's no "if only" w/reg. to israel & the settlements as far as i'm concerned. i'm all for the enterprise to stop, a total freeze be imposed as part of real serious final status negotiations headed towards israel leaving most of the WB. i'm not sure the pals are actually ready for full peace either, but the onus is all on israel at this moment. i'm just not expecting it from the current israeli government which is likely to collapse at the 1st attempt to touch the settlers.

There never was, and hopefully never will be again, even in a world destructing nuclear war, ANYTHING like the evil-minded inhumanity of the Holocaust! Stalin was a nice baby in comparison. And this, now, describes Ahmadinejad!

Mark, it is interesting to read your take on current events. You have a tendency to make up things, for example, "Nobody in the current US government said anything about allowing Iran to produce nuclear weapons." If one is myopic then this statement has some truth in it. But actions speak much louder than words, and the US is developing a situation in which they will & cannot do anything about it. But we will have to wait, while they "mull over" their options. We're in for alot of mulling. As for the war in Iraq, only taking 6 months according to the Neo Cons. You fail to mention that the military estimated atleast 10,000 American deaths in the war with Iraq. The actual war went fast, the mopping up took a while, the building up will take longer. Not even you expected that the Iraqis and their Arab brothers would take to blowing each other up with such delight. Militarily the Iranians are the Iraqis, but with funnier names, & prettier women.

Israel never used the nuclear weapons. Israel never threated any nation, never planed to erase a nation to the map of the world. Can't you see the difference?

PW: "You have absolutely no idea what Israel is capable of militarily." Errrrr, the capabilities of the Israeli Air Force is very well known, Peter. PW: "You should never underestimate a country that has 200 nukes." You are suggesting that Israel should NUKE Iran because it doesn't like that Iran is enriching uranium????????????? And you don't have the faintest notion how crazy that suggestion is, do you, Peter?

CJK: "you do not seem to know the meaning of 'multilateral.' " Maybe because the correct word is "multinational".

Brava! Have a great day!

is located near the Holy city of Quan 160 Km south east of Teheran and close to the residence so of Supreme Ayatollha Khamenei. Israel new about it and insisted that Iran is nearing the capacity of enriching Uranium to produce nuclear bombs.It was the US inteligence that stated errouneously last year that Iran abondend the work to reach the state soon within 2 years then to produce enough enriched U for atomic bombs.Now s'suddenly" Iran admitted it and the duped Western governments are talking about more sunctions. if Iran does not cooperate and stops the preparation for enreacing enough U for A-bombs. Israel will strike Irans facilities and destroy them within next 12 months. Obama,Schobama has shown to be a bafoon full of verbe eloquance but really a ballon of "Hot Air".Look what N.Korea did to test the "Commander and Chief" Obama.N.Korea detonated an A bomb this year and launched missiles in direction of Japan. Obama, released then a short wave of his BS speeches..Yada,Yada,Yada.

Some of our posters have opnions that are shifting like the wind. Mubarak can be a brutal stupid dictator,and a shrewd Arab leader.The worse Africans dictator becom a front figure.The same is with Brown and Sarkozy.The same person can change in a week time from an angel to the devil,and vice versa. It is all depends on what they are saying,Bash Israel=angel.Bash Arabs or Muslims=devil.

"Iran has defied UNSC resolutions demanding they STOP enriching uranium. That`s why they have SANCTIONS against them. " The sanctions are only an enticement to stop. 'do what we want and we'll sell you lollies' "They are NOT in compliance with the NPT." Strange, according to the NPT agreement, they ARE incompliance. " You are totally wrong." No you are. They're not in compliance with demands OUTSIDE the NPT agreement. Bt then, they're not obliged to be. "The onus of proof is now on Iran. This is too serious an issue to just take Ahmadinejad`s dodgy word on the issue. They need to prove to the world that they`re not a pack of liars." The accuser is obliged, not the accused.

Backed by other world powers, President Barack Obama declared Friday that Iran is speeding down a path to confrontation and demanded that Tehran quickly "come clean" on all nuclear efforts and open a newly revealed secret site for close international inspection. He said he would not rule out military action if the Iranians refuse.

To sign up to the NPT ! Demand that the IAEA be allowed to inspect! If they don't, there should be "stiff sanctions" imposed on them! (Yeah, yeah, I know that the Israelis have nuclear weapons and that they refuse to sign the NPT and that the only inspection they have submitted to was decades ago and even then they duped the inspectors. BUT them Iranians aren't as level-headed as the Israelis. You remember them Israelis, they are the people who are just "itching" to start a war with Iran, and who are currently in breach of multiple International Laws. But the Israelis have the ultimate "excuse" - the Jewish Nakba.) PLEASE, GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

the worst thing the west ever did was exterminate six million jews, of whom one and a half million were children.

"The FACT is that there IS such a PLANT." So what? Read the treaty "That iran has been CAUGHT red-handed TWICE for having SECRET nuke projects?" In both cases, nuclear materials had not been introduced. Iran revealed the installations according to their NPT agreement on both occasions.In fact in ADVANCE of the prescribed time.

Iran will not take these idle threats seriously. The same thing happened before the Iraq war. Threats with no international action, only resolutions that were ridiculously impotent until someone (U.S.) decided they could not wait around for someone else to act. Where were the WMD's? That was the question. We knew they were there because they were inventoried in 1992. The question was posed, "What did you do with them?" When no response was forthcoming, the U.S. felt compelled to act. All they got for it was bloody noses from the lying left. Where are the WMD's,they asked? If we knew that, we would not have had to go in there. Duh! Now B.O. proposes the same thing. Where are your nukes? Do you think Iran is threatened when the have the Russian Bear backing them up? If Israel attacks, they will have their provocation to use nukes if they have them. It is a bear trap.

Nobody in the current US government said anything about allowing Iran to produce nuclear weapons. You are under the delusion that Iran can have it's government decapitated. The neocons in the US thought they could do that with Iraq and maybe be there as long as 6 months, tops. That was before their delusion was burst and reality set in. Not everybody is as defenseless as the Gazans. It is a mistake to think so.

Conventional weapons wouldn't take out Cheyenne Mountain. Nobody knows how deep this is underground. Cheyenne Mountain is built to resist nukes. Nobody has more than pics of the outside of this, unless somebody' holding back. Nuking it raises fallout issues even Israel wouldn't want to deal with, as the downwinders have nukes and delivery systems already, too. The US didn't sell Israel the 24,000 lb. bunker busters. FAE bombs don't level underground structures.

you do not seem to know the meaning of "multilateral."

i am really glad that the strategy of the u.s. is not run by people like you. there is no talk whatever of an invasion of iran. the only purpose of any strike would be to take out nuclear, ballistic missile and revolutionary guard sites. most of those sites are known to intelligence agencies of the west, including the u.s., israel and others. such a strike would require mainly airpower, naval and missile strikes. iran does not have the capacity to withstand a combined attack by western powers. allowing iran to go nuclear and to further develop its ballistic missiles would gravely endanger western interests.

"The plant is..not operational" The FACT is that there IS such a PLANT. "(Giving) Israel nuclear weapons..is essentially why we are in the current situation" And WHAT situation is that? That iran has been CAUGHT red-handed TWICE for having SECRET nuke projects? "Israel is threatening Iran with annihilation" Yeah, like when it SAYS the country should be "WIPED OFF the earth" or it is a CANCER TUMOUR that "would VANISH SOON". Wait a minute! Actually, it is IRAN who ISSUES these THREATS. An Israeli minister DID threaten iran but with a CRUCIAL CONTEXT that marc SLYLY OMITS - "if (iran) dares to fire any missile at us". "And I`m a westerner I should know" Not MUCH, it seems.

Earlier in the day, Obama stood with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown and French President Nicolas Sarkozy to accuse Iran of building a secret nuclear fuel plant. Not a word of condemnation about Israel's secret nuclear weapons program or their facilities being available for inspection,funny how morally corrupt states think their shit don't stink.

Believe me, most Arabs know Iran's intentions to colonialize the Arab world and convert it to Shia'ism, however I assure you the dislike for Israel and it's illegal occupation of Palestinian lands is hated far worse.

So, like the iranians, michael now FEELS the HEAT. And reacts, KNEE-JERKING style. "Iran has two nuclear facilities" And BOTH are SECRET projects that got EXPOSED. "no proof it`s even seriously attempting to make a bomb" There is enough EVIDENCE to even ALARM the IAEA that it includes a "Possible Military Dimensions" section in its LATEST report. "it has no record of attacking other countries" Plenty of IRREFUTABLE proof that it DOES so by PROXY. Heck, iran even BOASTS of its SUPPORT for TERRORISTS. SO with ALL these OMISSIONS, michael does what comes NATURALLY to him - LASHING out at Israel with CHARGES that are DEVOID of CONTEXT. And he has the AUDACITY to WHINE about Obama "giving Israel a free pass". "the hypocrisy stinks" Indeed - and the SMELL is EMANATING from a huge MOUTH somewhere in the UK.

dismantle Switzerland, giving a portion to France, a portion to Germany and a portion to Italy. What do you think? Where will you go? Germany to join your relatives there? I hope you are not offended by my questions, it is being asked in utmost sincerity and in the friendliest of intentions. Warm regards.

Too much talk, no action. Reason? America hasn't won a war in 50 years and its economy is in shambles; France armed forces are a joke as well as its will; Britain is about to become the newest member of the Arab league. So Iran laughs while the rest of the world holds its breadth. What can Israel do? Not much. Attack Iran? Forget it. Won't happen. The only hope is the Iranian people themselves. Insh'Allah they can get rid of the Ayatullas and recover their liberty.

Iran has a facility at Natanz where it enriches uranium. According to the treaties that it has signed Iran is allowed to have that facility, and it is allowed to use that facility to enrich uranium. A paranoid, warmongering nation keeps working itself up into a lather about that, and constants hints that is gonna blow that plant to Kingdom Come. So what does Iran do? It does the sensible thing: it starts building another plant in case that little upstart nation attacks its existing plant and - as required by its treaty obligations - it informs the IAEA that this is what is going down. Excuse me, but what's all the fuss about? If Iran was allowed to build Natanz (and it was) then it is also allowed to build this plant. And. It. Is.

Hey Mate, seeing how you seem to know all about who supplies arms to the different parties in the ME, would you mind answering a question for me? Who supplies Israel, Jordan, The house of Saud, and all those other little dictatorships in the area with weapons? Yeah

BD:"In truth Iran has not done anything deceitful and if anything they are in greater compliance with the NPT" Iran has defied UNSC resolutions demanding they STOP enriching uranium. That's why they have SANCTIONS against them. They are NOT in compliance with the NPT. You are totally wrong. Then while they flout the UNSC resolutions they go and build another enrichment plant........ without telling anyone. The onus of proof is now on Iran. This is too serious an issue to just take Ahmadinejad's dodgy word on the issue. They need to prove to the world that they're not a pack of liars.

As well as an expert on Iranian civilian nuclear power. And an expert on Obama's settlement freeze policy. You have absolutely no idea what Israel is capable of militarily. You should never underestimate a country that has 200 nukes.

'This facility was inside a mountain. If you`re both so interested in a strike, where are Germany`s and Israel`s half million troops, each, for the invasion, occupation and search?' Why, pray tell, does an air-strike require 2 million land troops? The Israelis managed to level the Iraqi and Syrian reactors through air-power alone. Trust me, sir: there are weapons deliverable by air, which may level that mountain of evil raised by the mullahs. MV

did not hide anything.At least they are honest.

your right in what you say, i should also add here that if israel didn't have nukes, it would not have attacked it's neighbours, imagine if the arabs did have nukes as well, would israel be attacking? no, would they give the lands back?, yes.

That is essentially why we are in the current situation. It is the west's fault - we prop up these religious fanatics with money and give them nukes because their existence "depends on it" - yet now these nations AKA Israel is threatening Iran with annihilation if it wants to be a economically depenandant country. I really hope the East prevails over the West this time round - The Americans got all the glory for WW2, but only because they came and finished Russia's job off, it's the East that should be praised, not the West. And I'm a westerner I should know.

(retry) So SNOTTY michael, who LOOKS DOWN on people from the Middle East, SNORTS and SNIFFS that "Nobody cares". According to the article, apparently the US, UK and France do. Which is THREE nations MORE than what HE would LIKE to. Guess he CAN write but CANNOT count. Adding to his WOES is that Israel is doing FINE despite all the EFFORTS to NAIL it down as a sacrificial OFFERING to extremists. THANK you, michael, for the syrupy SWEET classic EXAMPLE of what SOUR GRAPES are all about.

They can mull till they get headaches, but it will not make a difference unless they get China and Russia on board, and that will probably make or break Mr. Obama's next presidential campaign. I wish him luck. http://frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=29604

This isn't big or anything

It is just so strange to me. The US has thousands of nuclear weapons whose only reason for existence is to destroy people and things. It has many nuclear power plants. Because Israel is upset that Iran is developing nuclear power for electricity generation, the United States along with Isreal is threatening to attack Iran's nuclear facilities. Israel says Iran really is trying to develop a nuclear weapon. It is well known that Israel actuallly does have up to 200 nuclear weapons. Israel has invaded its neighbors. It has committed war crimes in Gaza. Yet Iran who has not invaded anybody in centuries is the bad guy.

CJK: "an overwhelming multilateral strike is the only solution" By all means. You go first, luvvie. Let's see, 25 F-15I and 100 F-16 Sufa jet available for the "launch". Hmmmm, but not a one can fly to Iran and back without refuelling, and Israel has a grand total of.... 11 refeulling tankers. So how, exactly, does Israel launch your "overwhelming multilateral strike"?

This facility was inside a mountain. If you're both so interested in a strike, where are Germany's and Israel's half million troops, each, for the invasion, occupation and search? Maybe you can get France and somebody else to toss in another half million each. You'll need about 2 million to do the job. The US probably has some old LSTs it can contribute, but no troops. Bush/Cheney saw to that.

i wached him speak after g20 meeting, he was not as fluid and articulate ,because he knew he was lying, he finally caved in to aipac .now they own him. ps sarkozi is an idiot ask any french

As Mark Lincoln said, Iran does not have to declare any existance of a facility unless it is about to begin enrichment. They then need to declare they will be inserting uranium into the facility 180 days prior to commencment. In truth Iran has not done anything deceitful and if anything they are in greater compliance with the NPT.

....a few times too often in the past, in order to still believe them. "If only" Arafat will be gone, we will.... "If only" Saddam will be gone, we will.... Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me....:)

Honestly, I prefer nuclear deterrent. And very much so.....

ahmadinejad said in his speech at the un that he is waiting for the mahdi. this was perhaps the most important line in his speech. he is not only a liar, but more importantly, he is a religeous fanatic who believes in a being that will bring death and destruction. anyone who doubts his religeous fanaticism is a total fool and understands nothing of shia fanaticism.

'There is no time left for ... sanctions.' The latest revelations of Iran's nuclear programme - the enrichment plant's scope and configration - should remove any lingering doubt it's for military purposes. And does anyone have any lingering doubts that Ahmadinejad is a liar? Israel would be only the first target of an Iranian nuclear strike. The mullahs want control of the entire Mid-East. After that, it's Europe's turn. There must be a multi-lateral strike against Iran's nuclear, and soon, before Ahmadinejad uncorks the atomic jinn. Failing that, I hope the Israelis can get at least clandestine help from other nations to defang the mullahs.

whateve happened to the courage of the western nations? in -56 britain & france (plus israel) acted. after much too much hesitation NATO acted in bosnia, a bit more readily over kosovo. till now they've been comfortable w/being played be iran, steadily toward the point of no return, unable to show any real muscle till it's too late. isn't this a shame? it's these nations plain duty to act in order to protect the world & no time is better & more advantagious than now. russia should act too. they can sell china, who's never gonna move their butt, something to get it passed in the UNSC, give iran a final ultimatum & go. stop fooling around! if the main world powers are behind it the world won't shake too much in the aftermath. many nations will be relieved. whether israel participates /not. it can be demanded in return that it makes a real freeze of building in WB & jerusalem & enters final negotiations w/the pals on all major issues. period. this is the way things are done.

there is no time left for games with sanctions. iran's nuclear facilities, its balistic missile facilities and its revolutionary guard facilities must all be destroyed as soon as possible. the world, including the u.s., have allowed this cancer to grow unchecked, without any heed to the horrific danger it poses to world peace.

The hyprocrisy of all this is just beginning to get a bit too much. Iran has two nuclear facilities, but there is no proof it's even seriously attempting to make a bomb, it has no record of attacking other countries and it's government faces significant opposition at home. Israel has loads of nukes, a record of regularly attacking its neighbours, and a government that now includes people close to the nutty, radical, messianic end of Judaism. Obama can't keep on critising Iran and the Pals, while giving Israel a free pass. The hypocrisy stinks.

...and you want to believe this story? And what is worse, you want to trust in such a friend? Truth is that the USA, just pursue its own calender (which is its good right to do) and therefore Israel will be in great danger to follow it.

"because the day that happens WW3 will begin." who do you think are the countries that will come in support of Iran and be involved in the conflict to qualify this as a "WW" as you say? Remember that WW3 spectre was also raised in the Iraqi wars. But the world did not finish then neither there was any WW in both conflicts.

otherwise, they would have blown the whistle. This means that if Israel had attacked last week, they would have not hit this new facility. How can Israel be sure there aren't other facilities? Iranians are smart. One CIA officer once made a comment that Iran's Intelligence agency is in par with Western countries. Israel needs to be real careful and not do anything stupid.

sorry esther...your precious palestinians are being sabotaged by ahmadinjad....so sad isn't it? you need to have a talk with the Almighty this Yom Kippur because you really need some help and you have much to make amends for.

Iran has just as much right to defend itself and it's people with nuclear weapons. Iran should continue with uranium enrichment in defiance until Israel declares it's own nuclear arsenal. Israel and the West will be very stupid and silly if it engages Iran in a war because the day that happens WW3 will begin.

Except Britian,France,USA,Pakistan,India,Russia,China and last but not least Israel! Hypocracy rules in this machavelian charade....FEAR rules and makes it easy for democratic leaders to take their herds to war,of course all justified!......smoke screen politics at its best

Obama's lack of desire to confront is all too transparent. Not even Brown and Sarkozy believe anything will happen. They are going through the motions. Whatever happened to Netanyahu's election pledge to stop Iran? Looks like Iran has taken a distant second place in all of Israel-US communique. The price of not accepting the settlement freeze - is that it occupies all the discussion time.

They're voluntary. http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Infcircs/2009/infcirc768.pdf

GC 1V Art. 53. Any destruction by the Occupying Power of real or personal property belonging individually or collectively to private persons, or to the State, or to other public authorities, or to social or cooperative organizations, is prohibited, except where such destruction is rendered absolutely necessary by military operations.

OK, I have not been an advocate of military intervention on Iran...until now. I am not longer a dove--it is time to be a hawk. Israel should send it's birds to Iran and once and for all take care of this situation before it turns into a bigger mess. It is clear the US, despite it's well-meaning government and well-meaning new President, is not prepared to remove the increasing powerful Strategic and Tactical (terrorist-supporting) Iranian nuclear threat. The recent speeches at the UN and todays news convinced me Irans leadership is looking to destroy Israel and any country to the west of it except North Africa. G-D help us all. Israel---Please help the world--we need you now more than ever!

This is silly. Of course Iran can build new enrichment sites under the NPT. They are fully within their rights to do that. And now that they have declared the site, they are perfectly within their rights under the NPT to start processing. No story here. But typically all the nations that either ignore or openly violate the NPT are outraged.

Sorry, Mr. "Truth" #2 - but it most certainly was a secret when the Iranians were supposed to tell the IAEA about it. That they admitted it now doesn't mean that they're telling the truth, it means that they are revealing that they lied... and that is not the same as telling the "truth". Where does it stop? Do you also believe it to be the "truth" when the Iranians say the uranium is for "peaceful purposes"? Then how did you believe them when they said for several years that they were cooperating with the IAEA? You're nothing more than a sucker for Iranian propaganda... unless you're an Iranian agent planting phony info on Ha'aretz talkbacks....

where's the ultimatum that israel signs the non-proliferation treaty and opens up Dimona to inspectors? Maybe i missed that one. Sarkozy giving an ultimatum is even funnier than Ahmadinejad giving one to the west to stop their nuclear weapons program. Couldn't they find someone taller than 5'0" to give an ultimatum to Iran?

The IAEA only has to be informed when nuclear materials are about to be introduced into a facility. Iran is not in breech of anything.

"as long as Ahmad is creating nukes, overt or covert, Israel will never advance the autonomy of a Pal state" It never advanced it before Iran acquired nuclear technology.

So it seems that that glow around Qom is not the "shechina" after all, but something sinister. Rather like the glow taht once pervaded Chernobyl. By locating its secret nuclear enrichment plant among its religious buildings, Iran is directly violating Art 53(b) of AP1 of GC IV, which prohibits the use of religious buildings "in support of the military effort". Iran is an important nation and for its sake, as well as everyone else's, the Islamic Republic must be destroyed.

Three major western powers speaking as ONE--that's a good thing and should comfort to Israelis. Obama on the world stage has started a new period in World...time to solve problems both new and old (pals & Jews.) Iran is a threat to the entire Mid-East Region and therefore Israel has never had a better opportunity to join in with their Arab neighbors and sign treaties. They all have the same security issue--Iran & the Bomb!

Mohammed El Baradei heading the IAEA is like Pakistan and Angola beingmembers of the UN Human Rights Council - a sick joke.

everything stated by UK, US, and France are worthless words.

South Eastern Europe is within range of Iranian rockets which could carry a payload in that direction Egypt, Jordan, Israel, Lebanon and Syria would all be affected by any Iranian nuclear strike Your elders feared German V1 & V2, when Iran is able to have their rockets range extended, then Jolly Olde England will also be in range You better care, you're a future target Think BLITZ, you could be in the center of another one

but the international community keeps talking but no action(s) to change the status quo. Sanctions are not considered an "action" since it does not change or halt the Iranian preparations. The Western powers and its allies gladly accept endless police actions and occupations instead of stronger and decisive miltary action-type remedies.

They reciprocated by giving him the finger

"Sanctions, sanctions, please stop Achmidinijad or we will sanction you." What a joke. The US/France/English line should be "stop all production of your nuclear plants or we are going to bomb you. Period." Israel should start fueling their planes cause the rest of this world is sitting around scratching their butts.

According to reports, the new one is deep under a mountain somewhere. If Iran wants to keep its nuclear power programme on track, that was probably a sensible place to put it in view of the likelihood that uninspected nuclear Israel will do something unbelievably stupid. Jonathan

Obama, Sarkozy and Brown must be the most feared world leaders since Winston Churchill, Franklyn Delano Roosevelt and General de Gaulle.

Iran supplies arms to Syria, Hamas, Hezbollah, the Taliban and terrorists in Iraq. Aside from that the main route of heroin/opium/poppies from Afghanistan is right through Iran. Without Iran's meddling there would be a much greater chance of peace in the region and less drugs in the world.

as soon as the attacks on Iran's nuclear facilities are launched. With Iran supplying IEDs to the Taliban and Iraqi insurgents, the US has more reason to get rid of "Gipetto" and Amadinhejad, unless the US wishes to experience in Afghanistan exactly what the Russians did.

How many of the Iranian Regime's religious men does it take to tell the truth? All of their little lies add up to one big lie so huge, so preposterous, so blatantly evil and hypocritical, that it eventually needs to be cloaked deep underground with a 20 meter+ thick reinforced concrete chador and decorated with a high-tech rouseree of Russian rockets, lest it be seen by even the blind for what it really is.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander

The "second" site is a decoy for IAEA. By allowing inspectors into this so-called "second" site - Iran will deflect the pressure and gain time, even as it makes sure that Obama's initiatives go nowhere. Israeli settlers have demonstrated how easy it is to make Obama work hard and get nowhere.

Iran is out to get nuclear weapons was the cry. No they are not,only civilian use they answered. Iran is hiding things,they are lying.No said the watch dog.Now they want the watch dog to investigate the disturbing information. "Iran has been building a covert uranium enrichment facility for several years." For several years,just about the same time many had warned about that.Covert?what did you expect Declaration?,exhibit?.But would they learn from it?I doubt it.Nothing will happen,Iran will have the weapons,and they will talk and write books about the mistakes that were made in the first decade of the 21st century.

Get over it Mr. Obama. Are you not ashamed of lining up with PlayBoy Sarkozy. You should understand this. This is the second site, and there is the third one and the fourth one and ....the nth one. You should learn one thing, you along with those two idiots standing with you are not the world community, not the rulers of the humanity. It is you that need to come to terms with the reality. Days of colonializm are over SIR. OVER

we'll never speak to you again. I want my rattle!

... which is to my understanding a holy city for iranian muslims, then bombing it would no doubt be publicized as sacrilegious and used to inflamed wannabe terrorists for retaliation. Not mentioning that bobming Qom would rid Ahmedinejad & Khamenei of Montazeri, a national pain in the * ...

I believe that now the West is in a strong position here....I do not think Russia or China will be able to stop the charge against Iran as it has admitted it has been hiding evidence from the IAEA.....It makes the appearance of the ridiculous and illegitimate Ahmadinejad before the UN promising happiness everywhere even more disgusting and deceptive. Liar!!!!!

The time to act is now! The question is just how.

You don't have to agree with Bibi. You don't have to like him. But you have to admitt that he have succeeded in making Iran the issue.It all started with Obama's talkes of settlement freez,and it is Iran now. I just wish that it was both problems solved, Iran and settlement.

I am a non-voilent person but is it only Iran has secret uranium plants and denying having neuclear weapon ambitions? All countries on this planet have to sign the NPT agreement otherwise they have to be inspected by force. It is time to eliminate all neuclear weapons and solve many problems.

How stupid is the world community. If a country looks to buy long range missiles which can deliver nuclear armaments, does that indicate that they are developing nuclear power just for peaceful purposes? I think not and that is the point no one is thinking logically.

Why is Israel allowed to have nuclear weapons but Iran is not?

Until the actual fuel is being produced Iran had no obligation to tell anyone about this so called secret facility. Look it up, it`s all part of the NPT, you know, that document that Israel is afraid to sign and should have been made to long ago. But never let the truth get in the way of some good Iran blasting, lol.

US, Franch, Russia, Saudis, Jordon and Brits know that Israel started serious black ops months ago and that execution of key plans will cause Iran to unleash Hizboillah on western cities (i.e.,muslims going clean"). For Israel, No airstrikes and Dolphins on this round, but provoke Revolutionary Guards with targeted hits and cyberhell. Iran attacks western assets and the games begin.

Persia's nuclear ambitions are more of an existential threat to the Arabs than Israel. King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia would love nothing more than to have Israel or the US neutralize this threat. Persia's ambitions are obvious: A total colonizing of the Arabs under Shiite rule and their interpretation of Sharia law. The Sunni's, although they share they hate for Israel, hate Persia more. The West should "stir the soup" between these two groups. Arabs need Israel to deflect Persia's advancement and foothold in Arab lands and they know it. The Palestinian-Israeli conflict is nothing more than a smoke screen to the bigger problem that exists in the Middle East. The West should do to Persia as the US did to Russia during the Cuban missile conflict - a total blockade of goods and services headed in and out of Persia ports and total inspection of any cargo ship headed its way.

tHIS WILL HAVE A VERY SIGNIFICANT EFFECT ON US PUBLIC OPINION. iT HAS CHANGED MY VIEW. I WAS BELIEVING IRAN. IRAN IS A THREAT. AND THERE PRESIDENT HAS LITTLE MANS DISEASE

In the interests of fairness will Obama et al accuse Israel of the same?

As long as Iran continues getting nukes,near is the time,we see a palestinian state. Your logical is wrong,an iranian nuclear power,changes everything.

I don't get it. On Friday afternoon, Obama will accuse Iran of hiding a secret uranium enrichment plant that the IAEA announced on Friday morning that Iran informed it of its existence on Monday? Or is there another secret uranium enrichment plant? This doesn't make any sense...

Lincoln, Mark of Lewiston, Johnboy, Roo et al, all got it wrong big time. The IAEA WERE the last to know. There will be more than one secret enrichment facility too. This will be the tip of the iceberg. Iran ARE developing a nuke. Maybe this will finally bring Russia and China on board.

What about american intelligence?????? It is Iran who has declared the new nuclear plant.......you have shown you know nothing about iranian nuclear program. Don't mess with Iran,you can encounter a big surprise in the future.

This facility is, from the scattered reports available, a pilot plant using P-2 centrifuges. The Iranian information seems to indicate about 3,000 centrifuges are involved and if P-2 type would have about the same productive capability as the Natanz plant currently has.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/26/world/middleeast/26nuke.html?_r=1&ref=global-home "The facility is not complete, though American officials said late on Thursday night that they believe it was designed to hold about 3,000 centrifuges, the machines that enrich uranium for nuclear power plants." - NYT It would appear that Iran has remained - barely - within the NPT by revealing this site before it processed any Uranium. This is an example of WHY the goal must be to have the IAEA be empowered by Iran rejoining the Additional Protocols and also why the LAST thing the world needs is Iran dropping out of the NPT. The world does not need any more nations with nuclear weapons. Despite Ahmadinijad's notorious big mouth, Iran has continued to increase compliance, most notably supplying plans and access for the Arak Heavy Water Moderated Reactor, and now this incomplete 'pilot plant.' So long as there is no production of Highly Enriched Uranium or Plutonium Separation, no bomb is possible.

This shows how important it is to get Iran to return to the Additional Protocols. Such work would have to be revealed much earlier than just before it goes into production. The Additional Protocols provide for snap inspections, and provide the IAEA with the right to investigate undeclared sites as well as all possible facilities including military installations. Unless this is the Natanz Pilot Plant, then Iran will be in a difficult negotiating position. The General Assembly has deflated Iran's 'disarmament' ploy and it may well be that the regime is trapped. The big fear is that they will announce that in three months they will leave the NPT.

Particularly if the report that Iran is the one that revealed a plant is true. The NPT requires that any such facility be announced and made open for monitoring and inspections before it starts enrichment. If Iran has revealed a second plant, then it has also managed to complicate immensely the problem of attacking it's facilities. We shall see what happens. And, hopefully what it has. Given the small number of tanker assets Israel has, and the resultant small number of attack aircraft they could support, a second enrichment facility would make it very unlikely that both could be hit in a single strike. Iran, it would seem, has put an end to Netanyahu's dream and perhaps done it while barely hewing to the NPT.

Truth's declaration: "If Iran has declared it, then it`s not a secret." But truth is...

If Iran were ever to get Nukes there's one person they should thank: ElBaradie.

Iran will continue to pursue a nuclear bomb while Obama bloviates, unable to do anything about it Mohammed El Baradei, what the heck are they paying that inept clown for, he couldn't find his foot in his own shoe? He claimed Iran was a clean as a whistle

... that it is precisely Ahmad who is burying the hopes of the Pals for their own state, and for settlement reversal... ... as long as Ahmad is creating nukes, overt or covert, Israel will never advance the autonomy of a Pal state...

Afghanistan is turning into another Vietnam quagmire. Obama's turning into a uselss president with no idea what he's doing. Israel is turning into a country determined to keep Pals as 3rd class inhabitants, not even citizens, forever. Nobody cares that Iran has a second nuclear facility. Sort out the other three things first, then we'll care about Iran.

Thing's just got way harder for any israeli attack. I wonder where the 2nd site is located,cause it hasn't mentioned it's whereabouts. If it is some where in eastern iran,then an israeli air strike would mean nothing. Enjoy :)