Obama Nobel win still can't light Mideast peace spark

How can there be peace? It's as if the leaders of the Muslim world have "ordered" the Arab Palestinians to concede nothing and proceed on reconquering the Jews' and Christians' Holy Land. Even if it kills every single Arab Palestinian. This view is killing the Palestinian culture and their future. What Muslims would want to be known as THE ONES who lost it to the Jews and Christians, even though Muslims themselves have been kicked out before by the Persians and Brits; even though they have no legal claim to it; even though Allah tells them Israel is the Land of the Jews. What might help is if those Arab/Palestinians who have no legal ancestry in Israel/Palestine leave.

You have to hand it to the Israeli's for their chutzpah. They expect the PA to come to the negotiating table while they carry on stealing Palestinian land in the name of settlement 'natural growth'. Moreover they seem to have tried to make negotiations conditional on Abbas letting the Goldstone report get kicked into the long grass... When, if ever, will the US put serious pressure on Israel to behave reasonably?

Obama is not the messiah... He is a mere mortal whose timing and message offers a ray of hope of dialogue and reconcilitation in troubled times. Whether his message can help ignite change will depend upon how people choose to receive it. We will be waiting a long time if we think it is Obama's responsibility. He serves as a conduit but we the people and more importantly those impacted by the ongoing violence, intolerance, political games manship are the ones who have to change and that starts from within, within our hearts our families, our communities... Nothing short of this is only setting Obama up as the fall guy when things don't work out... Just anothert person to blame for our misery because we do not have the will to change.

By building up the poopyterrorstinians' expectations, trying to pressure Israel into giving up land for poopy, Mitchell and Hussein Obama have already lost. Too bad.

i dont know what the hell you are talking about when you say that people want to live in constant war in the middle east and in particular israel. rigth now i am in the old city in jerusalem looking out the window at jaffa gate. people comme and go.jews,palestiniens,christians all denominations. they dont go after each others throat.they live in peace there is an army patrouille , an israeli and palestinien soldier side by side walking the streets. yes there are some tension, there have allways been since generations and for generations to come.there wii be tensions with or without a peace treaty. for you in amerika you are in the middle of a bloody war,in afghanistan killing innocet people all the time.bring peace to that region first.

or what anyone wants but them. Obama stepping into this mess only guarantees he'll leave w/ poop on his shoes and nothing more. He's too pro muslim to be considered fair to our only trusted ally in the ME, Israel. No worries, he wont be reelected and nothing will change but the presidency. He hasn't stuck w/ one of his proposals yet. As powerful as a baby jelly fish.

YES! THE SOONER THEY'RE REDUCED TO RUBBLE, THE BETTER FOR EVERYONE. OR, WE COULD STRIKE THEIR ANCIENT OIL REFINERY... WHO KNOWS NO OIL NO FUNDING OF TERROR? INSANITY SEEMS TO BE A MUSLIM TRAIT. NUTS, BONKERS, COOKOO.

I'd pay to see that fart sing "Yankee Doodle." We do what we do, they do what they do but, Israel wins no matter what. Farts dissolve soon enough.. The real shit comes later.

Mitchell has the integrity of a two dollar whore. ( and an old one at that)

so far, Obama has garnered the approval of an anti semitic state, Sweden. Big deal! Sweden, cookoo clocks and chocolate and the "Swiss Guard" who protects the Pope for pennies. Does it get any more comedic? Perhaps an opera of errors? Can't help but giggle to myself. sweden bastion for every foul anti semitic beasts and liar that exists..

"Peace in the Middle East" a term that makes me laugh every time I hear it. Obama wont be able to do squat. Like every other boob who steps in w/ a 'a plan'. Israel is the particular treasure that G-d holds for Himself. Count the politicians who thought ( mistakenly) they could make a difference and didn't. Obama is the enemy of Israel and to peace lovers everywhere. he can't jam islam down anyones throat. It makes US gag. We still remember 9-11.

Loved your comic take on the Black Messiah. Your claims are at best, fancy and at the least, inaccurate. Obama won the booby prize as did Arafat, it doesn't mean zip to peace, prosperity or, the end of muslim extremists terrorists. It would be better IF he had accomplished something, anything, before hand. Then again, the Swedes are known anti semites as is Obama. The booby prize is funny as are you. Your boy in America better secure jobs for American or, he'll lose his, booby prize and all. Just curious, do you bow when he enters a room?

every child in camp gets a prize, even if he stands still. Same w/ Obama and the Swedes, both anti semitic, both pathetic kiddies who couldn't win a race to the bathroom. Obama hasn't done jack. Let's see Obama attack Iran for "peace".

I lived in your country. Peace treaty or not most of the Maoris would like to see you gone.

i think you are wrong. after obama hatred between north and south, west and east and especially white and black will be 100 times bigger than before. and obama is the first and last black pres. of USA for 100 years.

if and when the Arabs, Palestinian and otherwise, finally accept what the entire world has accepted since the end of the 19th century and has been expressed in 1917, 1923, 1937 and 1947: that the Jewish people, as all other peoples, has the right of national self-determination and independence. Israel, as has been accepted by the UN, is this expression. So why is it that the Muslim-Arabs have refused to accept this right and and have rejected the UN resolutions on the basis of which Israel was proclaimed? It is clear: The Muslim-Arabs goal is not peace with Israel; it is only a state of non-belligerence until they once again can gather the strength to annihilate it, as they attempted to do in 1948, 1967 and 1973. Recognize Israel's right to be and peace will come. Don't recognize Israel's right to national self-determination and independence as the nation-state of the Jewish people and the conflict will continue, of which you will continue to be the main loosers.

"Israel has accepted the demand of the Palestinian Arabs to have their independent nation-state." Israel did that when and how?

Hopefully we are in the end game. Hilary Clinton's report is sure to blame the Israelis for the lack of progress. Sanctions on Israel will start. At first these will only be known by Netanyahu, so that he can retreat without loss of face. Unfortunately he is the sort of man to brazen it out - so sure of himself is he. The sanctions will have to become public and all hell will break out in Israel. It may need civil war, but two states will come.

May the vultures pick out your eyes while you're still alive.

The Spark the Middle East needs is to pull the rug out under Israel. I have proposed taking Hamas off the terrorist list and lifting the blockade. Hamas is a national resistant group. It has never targeted any other group but Israelis, has no ties to international terror; and has refrained from suicide bombing & targeting Israelis for some time now. (Qassams are just child's play.) In addition, there is no reason for people to get caught up in uprooting plans--all the IDF has to set adate for withdrawal and people will uproot themselves. Those who wish to stay can apply for Palestin-ian citizenship. Hence there is no reason to talk about giving settlement blocs to Israel. Dutch

Treaty of Waitingi Noam....heard of it. Millions paid out to Maori tribes in compensation for land wrongfully confiscated. Maori and Pakeha on equal footing.....Peace treaty in other words....try it!

Until Obama, Clinton, and Mitchell focus solely on moving Israel into line with Internationlal law prohibiting territorial expansion by military means (ie. the 1967 war), it makes no sense to even begin peace negotiations. When Israel obeys the law, uproots ALL of its settlements across the 67 armistice line, then peace negotiations can begin.

nobelpeace.eu - Sign a petition now! Lets express our objection against the absurd decision to award B. Obama Nobel Peace Prize !

Obama did not think himself achieving of the award, putting the onus on him to now live up the award and its meaning for peace. As a proud black man who has made history as the first black American President, how this plays out in history is now in his hands alone. How do you think he wants history to remember him and his presidency Israel?

Obama will get nowhere trying to mediate between Israel and the Palestinians. Neither party is willing and/or able to make the necessary concessions. If the Americans are truly serious in wanting to bring about a permanent solution, they will need to present a concrete proposal. Not a "road map" to nowhere as did Bush, but a detailed plan. To be sure, amendments could be made by the parties, but the Americans will need to stand by the plan's fundamentals. And, the parties need to know that there will be a heavy cost to not agreeing with the plan.

Nothing like yours. But peace is a good thing. If they don't give you a pie, you give them one anyway. And don't expect them to give you back anything in return. You'll be lucky if they even say, "Thank You!" Families and Cultures are different about that sort of thing. It sort of sucks, but that's life. People are querky. You're you and they are them. Not everybody thinks or acts the same. You can't force people to be just like you. It just won't work. Even if you stand on your head and fart Yankee Doodle Dandy at the same time.

Barack is repeating the mistake of all past presidents: trying to force negotiations and the actual details of a permanent solution. The solution can only begin when the parties voluntarily sit down together and try and deal with the issues. Apparently they get a benefit from the status quo: Israel continues it's expansionist dreams, Palestine wallows in hatred and an extremist idealized vision of Israel without Jews. The illusions are more powerful now than the reality of both sides relinquishing their fantasies and engaging in reality, comprimise, and a viable peace. Obama should shift from the stick to persuasion.

This is using a Nobel prize to tie the hands of the US in dealing with North Korea and Iran. The US can't deliver leadership and no one else can step in. While Obama seems to accept that the prize was premature recognition it is unclear whether he won't let it limit his thinking about dealing with the critical problems he has failed at so far. If Iran is not deterred from going nuclear by talking and he won't consider sanctions the conflict between the Palestinians and the Israelis will seem like a birthday candle next to a forest fire.

...are you willing to even address it?

2003 Israel signed agreement under the Road Map to freeze Settlement Construction including Natural growth as determined by the Mitchell Report. The UN,Fourth Geneva Convention, the Hague Convention and the ICC have ALL determined the occupation and settlement construction on Palestinian Territory to be illegal and counter productive to the Peace Process. Netanyahu agreed to abide by the Road Map and Israels International commitments and obligations. The World is waiting.

I think that logical analysis was one of the most eloquent and unassailable pieces of writing I have ever seen in these talkbacks by you.

The forced freeing of the hostages in Pakistan is sure to damage BHO's reputation amongst the Taliban he no longer considers 'enemies'. IMAGINE - if Israel used force to free hostages, the UNHRC would demand an immediate investigation in to the "disproportionate use of force" - AFTER they established the conclusion of course! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,563720,00.html

counting the legal boundries of zion in the ME and the OPT half the people are arab....saying it is a jewish state or homeland denies half of the people there equality....how bout a jewish and arab homeland (even though the ashkenazi never set foot on it before herzl)

You are right. Why would the Arabs or the Palestinians want peace when they can have occupation instead. Saudi peace plan. Ever heard of it. It didn't require the killing of one Jew or the dismantlement of Israel. Only that the Palestinians and Israel abide by well recognized international law. You best look into the mirror when you answer the question "who does a lack of peace suit best?".

How could Israel be charged with not allowing any hope of peace? Anyone aware of reality in the last thirty years understands what anyone who has lived during the last half-century knows. That the Israel today is not the Israel of a half-century ago. Fifty years ago, Israel wanted peace with the entire world. Now Israel wants Judea and Samaria, and the world be damned. I ask little of Israel beyond honesty. I am more than glad to see peace in Israel. What I am not willing to accept is israel continuing to torture, murder and oppress Palestinians simply because Israel will not be honest with itself, or the world. Is there anyone in Israel willing to be honest? (s there anyone willing to be decent? Is there ANY ISRAELI willing to prevent the systematic divorce between reality and mythology? Is there ANY Israeli willing to do what the world did not in 1939?

little can be expected in terms of an accommodation of peaceful coexistence between Israel and its Arab neighbors, Palestinian or otherwise. Israel has accepted the demand of the Palestinian Arabs to have their independent nation-state. Now it is time for the Arabs to accept the demand of the Jewish people to recognize Israel as its nation-state. Refusing to accept Israel as the national home of the Jewish people, coming on the historic background of having attempting to wipe it off the face of earth, one remains with the full impression that the Palestinian Arab leadership wishes to negotiate the elimination of Israel, step-by-step, stage-by-stage. Israelis have no intention to negotiate their demise and the annihilation of the Jewish people national home.

The US has massive leverage in the Middle East and can do anything as a result! It is only the 'will' to do something that is lacking!

which means the zio entity struck first....moshe dayn latter admitted that at no time did the zio entity fear an arab strike...it ws just a good time to steal more land....67 war was a war if agression

The problem is the same as it has been for a century. The Arabs dont want another Arab Palestinian state. They just dont want Israel. They dont want to admit historical facts. They dont want to respect Jewish holy sites. It goes on and on. Abbas wrote a thesis denying the Holocaust. Hamas has a charter than calls for killing Jews. The Arabs have said NO to another arab Palestinian state in the 20s, in the 40s, didnt even try from 48-67, said no again under Olso and Clinton. To make peace you have to tell the Arabs this is it. Make peace with Israel or there will no longer be an option for another Arab Palestinian state. Those Arabs in Judea and Samaria will now be Jordan Palestinian citizens. Those in Gaza will be Egyptians. Its the best and most likely scenario. Every time the Arabs are offered a state they say no. They dont want it. Stop offering it. Israel left Gaza and got missles. Israel allowed the Muslims to stay on the Temple Mount and they desecrate it.

Only an insane man would seek war with Iran. Only an insane nation would seek war with Iran. Only Israel seeks war with Iran. And that is the problem, Israel has gone insane. A nuclear power has gone stark raving insane. It is a matter of time, not fact, when Israel will start a nuclear war out of it's uncontrollable fear. israel, beyond any rational control will initiate a nuclear war. Insane men will pursue insanity because they are insane and their nation agrees with their lunacy. So who will be to blame? The Iran attacked by Israeli lunatics, or the Israel which allows lunatics to attack Iran? Go figure. One thing is certain, Israel cannot strike Iran's nuclear program effectively unless it uses nuclear weapons. If Israel is not going to use nuclear weapons, then it is totally insane to cause a crisis at all. Is Israel nuts, or what? Then, perhaps it will not seek a nuclear war with iran. Then why does it seek ANY war with iran?

Israel has no interest in peace. Thus it is impossible for Obama to 'spark' anything. Israel has decided that only eternal war is possible in the mideast. Israel, the nexus of peace in the region has absolutely no interest in peace in the region. Israel does not consider peace possible and Israel does everything it can to destroy any hope for peace. So, is Israel wrong? If there can be no peace in the mideast as Israel believes, then there can be no peace for Israel. "There is no instance of a nation which has benefited from protracted war." - Sun Tzu Israel has the choice. It has the power. It can destroy any nation in the region. No other nation matters at all. Peace, war, status quo, only Israel may decided, Israel choses endless war, and that is a fact. But, where does endless war leave Israel?

1.Good morning hungry committees, universities and institutions. 2.Obviously, there is no water on the moon. 3.Dispatching the Nobel Peace Prize this 2009 is like sending probes to the moon in an audacious hope of finding water there in pristine state. 4.That both events took place on the same day is perhaps no coincidence. 5.No problem. The boy with the Moshiachs Meal of Five Loaves will arrive very soon. 6.Just as Moses has provided the much-awaited Passover from slavery in Egypt, the small boy will provide the Flyover from the bondage of the proverbial Satan. 7.Get ready for a galactic change.

1.Good morning hungry committees, universities and institutions. 2.Obviously, there is no water on the moon. 3.Dispatching the Nobel Peace Prize this 2009 is like sending probes to the moon in an audacious hope of finding water there in pristine state. 4.That both events took place on the same day is perhaps no coincidence. 5.No problem. The boy with the Moshiachs Meal of Five Loaves will arrive very soon. 6.Just as Moses has provided the much-awaited Passover from slavery in Egypt, the small boy will provide the Flyover from the bondage of the proverbial Satan. 7.Get ready for a galactic change.

Since Obama came to power all he's ever done is to reiterate the position of his predecessor Bush that the Israelis are free to do as they please when it comes to the building of illegal settlements in occupied territory, and that the onus for any peace process is on the Palestinians!

settlements to stop..........this is not occupied territory...it is disputed territory won in a defensive war...........history matters.....so get your facts straight..............

bibi's motto: 'just say no'

no then will will take about equal rights for all the people of palestine/israhel

With all due respect to the 5 million Jews in Israel, let me remind you that you are not the world. You are a very very tiny part of it. Creating such an aura around yourself, and measuring Obama's success around your world is at best funny. Obama has achieved peace between black and white people, between West and East, between North and SOuth America and even reduced the stress in Iraq, and soon will in Iran. He has closed Guantanamo bay. He has eliminated torture in CIA. All of these things has HAS ALREADY achieved. If there are problems in ISrael- Palestine track, go check with Netanyahu and Lieberman.

Now that there is nothing holding back the Goldstone report, there will be a flood of war crime lawsuits in the ICJ. Senior Israeli leaders will be unable to leave Israel for the fear of arrest. When the choice is between settlements and a paralyzed government, the settlements will freeze. Netanyahu could have done that 5 months ago and come out ahead. Instead, now he is playing to the tunes of Hamas.

I'm sure his allies the Pakistanis (who, by the way are the single largest recipients of US foreign aid annually, even though 90% of it ends up with the Taliban and al Qaeda) are thrilled with his "peace"overture stating that the Taliban actually are seeking a peaceful resolution and actually are "nothing like al Qaeda." The Pakistnis thank you BHO. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/10/pakistan-hostage-standoff-hovers-obamas-war-deliberations/

Carrots to Abbas: None available, since Netanyahu will not freeze any construction Stick to Abbas: Not possible given his current situation, will only weaken him irrecoverable Carrots to Israel: None available (Netanyahu will accept nothing short of bombing Iran) Stick to Israel: This is the only available possibility for moving forward. Time to fry Netanyahu under the Goldstone report.

The man has had his prize a matter of days and you expect an instant fix. Try explaining to the world how building rooms onto illegal houses on illegally occupied land is normal and okay. Peace tomorrow when Israel works that one out!

This is a surprise? Oh, there must be nothing to report other than the hopelessness of the peace situation.