Obama: No crisis in U.S. ties with Israel

Just because you may not believe in G-d or the Bible doesn`t mean the 2/3 Americans who do are stupid. There are alot of theories about the begining of life. From evolution to creationism. But all require faith because nobody can say with 100% percent certainty they know. What I can say I know and what I can say I believe are two different things. You follow the religion of Scientism and have thus shut your mind from hearing another point of view. So much for being evolved and having an open mind. Our perceptions of life are limited to our senses. Now suppose we could see,feel and hear Gamma Rays. Would not our perceptions of life be different? Only an arrogant man can say he knows the whole mystery of life. You can theorize life began in Africa but it`s also possible life began in Asia (Peking Man)or somewhere else because what we don`t know is greater than what we do know. It`s also possible what the Bible records could be true since we really don`t know for sure this mystery.

If you can't win an argument, always pull the race card. Besides it makes you feel better about your own miserable life, right? Congratulations, you're man. You win!

We live in the 21th Century. The bible is hardly considered to be a source of definitive information on the origin of peoples, or anything else for that matter. It may shock you to find out that according to science your ancestral origin was in Africa. Egad, would that make you a black African? Better sleep on that and think about it, before you have a heart attack.

I assure you our President is not either of those things. Think and stop posting nonsense.

forgive me abdallah for a sarcastic grin... "my tax dollars"....abdallah! now that your flying carpet brought you to the 'home of the brave and the land of the free' (yeah right!), you mistakenly think yourself as an american?? come on abdallah! get real! and speaking of welfare, would you like to know what % of your fellow muslims living outside of their original sharia-based countries (i.e. civilized places where women do not get a public stoning or let's go for the friday' public beheading kind of s**t )are living off welfare??? (i am still grinning)..

You obviously know little if anything about the Bible or of the Middla East. The Palestinians are really descended from Edom. Most Palestinians come from the surrounding nations like Egypt and Saudi Arabia extc. Yasser Arafat was born in Egypt. When Mark Twain visited the Holyland over a hundred years ago. He describe it as being mostly desolate and without inhabitants. Most of those who call themselves Palestinians are really from Arab nations who came looking for work when the Jews began developing there ancient homeland. There has always been a Jewish prescence in this land for close to 4000 years. Please check your facts before speaking nonsense.

No Crisis? Obama creates a crisis and sends hid lap dogs (Biden, Clinton, Patreus extc) to reinforce this crisis for over a week now. Now suddenly he says there`s no crisis. Obama should lead by example and order a construction freeze on the SouthWest of the USA since this land is occupied Mexican Territory. How about a construction freeze on Washington DC which is also illegaly occupied Indian territory. Obama is a laughingstock and a joke to this once great country. Israel stay strong and know we the people of the United States support you and are ashamed of the mistake of the electing this nobody amateur to the White House.

Benny: If the US quit providing Israel with over $6 Billion a year in aid maybe you at least would not keep on building regardless.

Wow, that's a stupid thing to say. Likud has been very duplicitous and it's not fair that Palestinians are not allowed to vote in the Israeli elections. Both Likud and Hamas are enemies to the peace process, even though the Palestinians descend partially from the northern tribes of Israel and the Prophet Ezekiel said they should be accepted. And why can't Palestinians and Jews marry each other. Wow, what a democracy! There is plenty of vacant land in the West Bank that Jews should be allowed to move into, but the two factions need to stop acting like they're tackling for land. Jews shouldn't be stealing from Palestinians or else this won't stop. I don't need to list all of Hamas' wrongs, but neither faction is helping any. Crunching all the variables shows it will lead to World War III and put the US and Israel in an isolated position, straining us to fight the entire Muslim world. We should take a strong stance against Likud and start supporting the moderates and liberals whose aims are more in line with Israel?s and America's long term security. Israel is currently a Jew-only democracy, and the Jew who wants peace in Israel is the minority. The US is not doing enough to support Jews of the more progressive stance, which is the only way to keep America and Israel safe from extremists on both sides.

....I officially accept the term "profound U.S/Israel crisis" !! But please don't expect too many tears from me, it's rather gonna be a healthy chuckle...:)

....his liberal successor by then !!:) You guys urgently need a liberal third alterna- tive over there....

"I don`t think these ? put America first. " Regardless of your "America first" drivel, there is a crisis between this administration and Israel.

I don't think these ? put America first. Maybe we should throw them bananas and peanuts to calm them down. Salaam/Shalom

One of my American cousins e-mailed this. It was vigorously denied by Bibi, however, once said, you can't erase it. Oh boy, the rat hole keeps getting deeper and deeper.

years)I'll vote for you. Only the cuckoos hate you. I love you, ergo, I'm not a cuckoo. Salaam/Shalom

"The health care debate was much more important for the American people last week than Israel/ Palestine...." I never said the health care debate wasn't more important. In Israel, the crisis is the biggest news. In the U.S. it has made it to all the major news networks front pages and television channels. And you say there is no crisis on the surface? I've been watching the surface ever since it started and it's still there all over the place, dolt.

Didn't bother you voting for Sarah Palin on the ticket of what would have been the oldest President in history did it? They don't come more amateur than a VP who didn't know why there were two Koreas! Then again she could see Russia from her bedroom window :)

We can all witness now how Obama is no different than Bush or any of the other USA presidents before them. They work for the same interest groups who dictate to them what to do, what to say and how to react. All this talk from the USA on how it is upset with Israel's actions is all an act put on to try and convince the Arab world and the Palestinians that the USA champions peace and cares for the needs of the Arabs and Palestinians. The Arab world and the Palestinians know from past experience how the USA has time and time again suppoerted Israel no matter what and this act by the USA being upset with Israel will not work at all. Actions speak louder than words !!!

Posted: "...but Israel has deliberately acted against its commitment to peace. It deserves the tensions of recent days, and nothing less." You are correct Shaul. But the reason that Obama says there is no crisis is because the USA wants Israel to continue increasing the tensions in this region, because this makes billions of dollars for the America oil companies and arms manufacturers and Israel will continue to receive the billons of dollars in aid from the USA. Obama and the USA and Israel could care less about peace, the bottom line for them is the mighty $$$, regardless of who gets killed in the process.

Obama made it so ! He is taking side with those countries who are not giving their own people the minimum of freedom ! Obama's foreign policy its aim the american agenda & no more !

Is Obama caving to Netanyahu? Is Netanyahu caving to Obama? Are they doing a media plot? Is it two separate media plots? Three plots? Will the Israeli coalition collapse and everything waits for new elections and new jockeying for a new coalition that might do -- anything? Will the US Congress change hands and leave the USA in 2 years of complete deadlock, unable to make any decisions? Would that be so different from the first year of Obama's term? Will Obama be impeached or assassinated or otherwise removed from power before 2012? It's too soon to tell. We do not know what will happen. We cannot tell from what we see so far. When Obama says there's no crisis is he telling Bibi that he isn't serious about making demands? Or that if Bibi does what he wants he won't hold a grudge? Or that he fully supports Israel, he just wants Bibi's head. Or is it voters or foreign citizens he wants to influence? Next year we'll know better.

everywhere. Tensions are high in the US too. Electing an amateur to the most powerful position in the world is the biggest mistake the voters have ever made.

Israel is clearly telling the world that it controls the elections in the USA and no Black President is going to tell them how they clean the PAL out of the area. Nothing learned from the past history?

Reason is as you said it before and I too agreed.i.e Israel rules America. But more to the point: The USA is afraid OF Israel. They can try their shenanigans but it will not work.Obama should deal with the islamofscists who have attacked the USA for decades.Now that is more to the point. Israel is a real friend to them,whereas the others just use the US to save them from themselves for they cannot survive without the USA.

....for the "kind" words!:)

how much longer does israel need my tax dollars for killing,and stealing from the the pals

.....thanks for agreeing with me, at least in the case of Cipora, that doesn't happen too often! Once in a lifetime, so to speak...:)

President Obama is determined to have a two state solution in his first term. If israel likes it or not. Watch it happen.

....care about is November 2012! They could hardly do anything with their majo- rity in the House and Senate over the past year, so it actually can't get a lot worse if the Republicans should trash them in automn....

Excuse me for asking a question. Looking at a map of Jerusalem we find Ramat Shlomo, Ramot Ramat Eshkol all north and north west of the center of Jerusalem. So, why indeed is it named East? East Jerusalem is the area highly populated by Arabs, and, of course, is found towards the eastern part of the city. Has anyone in the media bothered to point this out??!!

....has gone now!:)

The health care debate was much more important for the American people last week than Israel/ Palestine....

Only people who are generally unable to deal with complex arguments or situations tend toward conspiracy theories without any real evidence.("many tentacles to this plot"). I must presume you are one of those people. "second, the brass, in the person of general patraeus, has made the claim that american soldiers are not dying by the hands of islamice terrorists, but as a result of israeli policies." Incorrect. This is what he said: "Arab anger over the Palestinian question limits the strength and depth of U.S. partnerships with governments and peoples [in the region]," Petraeus "fourth, j-street is meant to replace aipac. it is an arm of both the obama administration and certain arab and iranian interests." cjk So we are to believe this organization which better reflects the majority view of American Jews than aipac is an arm of "certain arab and iranian interests" . Here are just some of those who have given written letters of support and endorsement to J-Street. Yossi Alpher former Senior Member of Mossad and former Director of the Jaffe Center for Strategic Studies. Col (Ret.) Shaul Arieli. Council on Peace and Security; former Commander Gaza Brigade. Haim Assa. Former National Security Advisor to PM Itzhak Rabin. Colette Avital Former Deputy Speaker of Knesset; Ambassador. Shlomo Ben Ami Former Foreign Minister and Public Security Minister. Brig. Gen. (ret.) Nehemia Dagan Former Chief of the Educational Corp. Shlomo (Tchich) Lahat Ret. Major General in the IDF and former Mayor of Tel Aviv. Maj Gen (Ret.) Amram Mitzna Former Chairman of the Israel Labor Party and Knesset Member and former Commander of the IDF Central Command and Planning Branch. Danny Yatom Former Knesset Member, former Head of the Mossad. Sitting on their advisory board are: Rabbi Hillel Cohn Rabbi Emeritus, Congregation Emanu El, San Bernardino, CA Rabbi Neil Comess-Daniels.Beth Shir Sholom. Rabbi Rachel Cowan.Executive Director, Institute for Jewish Spirituality Rabbi Edwin Goldberg.Temple Judea, Coral Gables, Florida With over 400 rabbis sitting on J Streets Rabbinic Cabinet. Furthermore: 'The funds that come from these sources [Arab and Muslim Americans] indeed constitute a small fraction of the year-and-a-half-old organization's political fundraising, which totaled around $844,000 in 2008 - a key election year - and $111,000 so far in 2009. They comprise several dozen of the PAC's 4,000-5,000 donors." http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=151811 J street accepts no donations from foreign governments or NGOs. Yet despite their receiving less than 3% of their funding from muslim sources, they are indeed according to you, "an arm of certain arab and iranian interests". How remiss of those hundreds of Rabbis, Jewish Professors and former Israeli military and intelligence top brass to be ensnared in the "tentacles" of such a diabolical "plot".

- "Have you not yet realized, the pals cant and dont want to make peace, they want all Israel, nothing less. I really dont know how long or what it will take for you to realize this reality." I dont know under what stone you have been living, but what I see and hear in news and media all the time. Is that israelis believe all of historic palestine belongs to them including some other areas that would constitute the Greater Israel. I dont believe this crap of yours does any good for your side of this issue just reminds people of the occupying sides greed and inability to see its own faults.

Let us face it, AIPAC's power is not infinite, or they would not have let Obama to be elected. Yet now that Obama is more within their reach, their influence on him may prove fatal for Obama, which it probably will. That is why a panic-stricken Obama now desperately trying to recover. Why there should be a special bond between Israel and US, an ordinary American should ask to himself/herself. Why such a "special bond" does not exist between Italy and US or Mexico and US (there are much more hispanics than jews in US), so why US feels itself so obliged to have a super-special bond with Israel but with no country else, not with Ireland, not with Greece, not with India but Israel. Why ?

Their seems to be no stopping of building on the West Bank. The goal is clear to give as little space to the Palestinians as possible. The arguments even in twodays discussion are sad: 'They (the Pals) want all the land' the conclusions which we than obviously should draw is to take the land before they can!?. Or another argument: 'the population is growing so we need to build!' But isn't the arab population growing too? So shouldn't they have space to build? In fact Orens public call could be a good formula: Jews and Arabs should have space to build. Maybe this is the way out of this crisis: build these 1600 houses within the extanded borders of Jerusalem but give also permits for 1600 new houses on a hilltop around Jerusalem for the Arab population and call that neighbourhood Tel Shalom. If anything that will give a clear message that Israel wants peace with the Arab population! Fredde Rosenberg

Of course there is no crisis. Israel with do as it likes as always, and the U.S. will back it as always. Israel knows this, and the U.S. Knows this. The thing is that the U.S. needs to do a bit of saber rattling so the American people think that the U.S. is in charge and not the Israelis.

" ...both Jews and Arabs have the right to build anywhere in the city," Ambassador Oren Amir Cheshin, former Advisor on Palestinian Affairs to Mayor Teddy Kollek, writes about the considerations underlying planning in East Jerusalem: "Kolleks 1970 plan includes the principles on which Israeli housing policy IS STILL BASED, expropriation of Palestinian owned lands, development of large Jewish neighborhoods in East Jerusalem and the restriction of development in Palestinian neighborhoods" Amir Cheshin, Bill Hutman, Avi Melamed, Separate and Unequal, the inside story of Israeli rule in East Jerusalem, 1999, p.237.

Say they asked to be a US territory, and the USA accepted. Then they would be under US law. The USA would police them along with their own police, and work to prevent terrorism. Israel would not get to do airstrikes. Peace at last. Palestinians could join the US Army and on completion get US citizenship. As citizens of a US territory all could get US passports and travel *and return*. USA should insist on internationally-agreed 1973 borders for US territory. Israelis who want to commute would be protected by US troops under US law, provided they did not break US or Palestinian law. Israelis could freely buy land subject to US and Palestinian law and US tax law, and could apply for Palestinian citizenship if they wished. The remaining dispute is Jerusalem. International agreement does not say that any of Jerusalem would be in Palestine. Everybody but Israel and Palestine has agreed that Jerusalem is an international city owned by neither.

A lot of Democrats want many Democrats in Congress to lose in November because too many Democrats in Congress are too pro-Israel and too pro-war. And remember, a divided government and electorate in the US would be no help to Israel against Iran. It would also create a stalement at home and abroad, which would benefit Iran tremendously.

for once dino is right. there is a planned, concerted effort to ubdermine israel. first, it would seem that there is some attempt to get aipac to register as a foreign agent. the action is taking place in the u.s. department of justice(foxnews). second, the brass, in the person of general patraeus, has made the claim that american soldiers are not dying by the hands of islamice terrorists, but as a result of israeli policies. in other words, patraeus is part of the command and could not have made such a comment without the approval of obama. this is a clear attempt to libel israel and blame her for arab perfidy and intransigence. third, there is a very concerted attempt to put forth the partition lines as originally proposed as the actual present borders of israel.(CJ) fourth, j-street is meant to replace aipac. it is an arm of both the obama administration and certain arab and iranian interests. there are many tentacles to this plot. i have to go now. shalom, cipora

In DC, if you want a plumber he wants about $100 to make an estimate. Then he tells you how much the job will cost. Israel is like that with peace talks. If somebody gives them enough, they're willing to talk. Then they present the bill. "Hmm. You want half the West Bank. And move settlements. Parts and labor, that comes out to...." Each time before, the USA has paid for the estimate and then balked at the price for doing the job. The problem this time is that Obama is not paying them enough to make it worth their while to talk. Presumably after they negotiate the price for the house call then the Israelis will be willing to negotiate about a peace agreement. It's different from a DC plumber, though. If a plumber wants $150 for the estimate you can call another plumber. Nobody but Israel can negotiate with the Palestinians. Unless ... maybe the USA could negotiate with them? Like a homeowner doing his own plumbing.... Suppose that Palestine became a US territory....

Blind arrogance has been the undoing of a lot of individuals, and more than a few nation states. Take off the blinders and see the situation for what it is. So far this has been a disaster on many levels. Stop feeding off your shared myopia. Continuing along the path you are on will only strengthen your enemies.

To a large extent mandatory make nice words. We'll see what actions say.

when it's own population believes it s own propaganda. Sorry but no country in this world views Jerusalem as your capital, much less your "eternal capital". In our world today we gave up on 3000 year old fairy tales. Your fairy tales don't guide todays politics. Wake up and smell the roses Israelis...

Alot of senators are angry about the way Obama has blown this issue of Ramat Shlomo out of proportion intentionally in an attempt to force Bibi into conceding on just about everything. So far Bibi hasn't made all those concessions Obama has been demanding but the atmosphere between the US & Israel has been that of enemies and thats not good for those Democrat senators who have pro Israel constituents. So they want Obama to tone things down in public start spewing out the traditional garbage about Israel being one of Americas closest allies and how we are all good friends and it calms things down with those voters angry at Obamas attitude. After the midterms up until around January 2012 Obama will be looking for Israeli blood to ensure his legacy before he has to tone down again as he gets closer to an election when he has to start giving the image Israel is the best friend America has in the world and how America would do anything for Israel.

The people that are responsible for the "shit" in the middle east now are those that responsible for the settling of european jews that eventually created the state of Isreal,without proper consideration of existing scenerio.I think the Child-beast of 1945 has fully matured and empowered to wreck avoc on the world.It is only matter of time for all to realize this

to it's own detriment.

The message has been delivered, and it is a sea change. Will the Netanyahu coalition act in Israel's best interest? Good allies work together. We will see.

told complaisant flunkey Barack - a "president" of AIPACistan... Wants somebody still contend, that USA are ruled of U.S. government and Parliament? And that flunkey wants contend, that he wants make all for RIGHTEOUS peace on the Middle East?

not only will we copntinue expanding in OUR capitol but we will not give into the demands of these murderous thugs or eurabia. dont you swiss have more money to steal... keep staying neutral buddy... your counry are a bunch of cowards

otherwise we will make you. Try to be coy and you will be made to understand that we stand by our troops. Israel claims to be an ally and a friend, here is the time to prove it. Loud and clearly.

And everyone knows it. He's angered our most faithful ally and has become an unwelcomed troublemaker.. No one can believe him any longer. Some "Ally"... NOT

They want all of yours, and you want all of their's. So what else is new. Time to rethink. Would you agree? So far I would say that Israel got the better deal. However peace seems to have escaped your notice. Why not try some serious negotiations for a change?

In November, your "big boss" will be toasted.

Agree mucho with the Dino Man.. Changes will have to be made..for everyone..

America has always sided Israel even when they are wrong.Even United Kingdom did not summoned but invited the Israeli ambasador about the killing in Dubai.This is all wrong. Now my eyes are open and I can see that how much these countries and including Europen countries side with Israel.If an Arab country says or does something they are told off by these countries it's not fair People are dying in Palestine of hunger of education of transportation of their right ie their land aswell of health etc and all thanks to all these countries and Israel.

http://www.mmi.gov.il/pirsumMichrazim/pirsumDetails.asp?id=3832009&rc=1&tr=1 'A notice on the Web site of the Israel Lands Authority invited bids on construction of 309 new homes in the Jewish suburb of Neve Yaakov, in northeast Jerusalem'.

"Mr. Obama's foreign policy pattern to date: Our enemies get courted; our friends get the squeeze. It has happened to Poland, the Czech Republic, Honduras and Colombia. Now it's Israel's turn."

**Make no mistake, the "big boss" has shown the "little boss" its place over the past week, and the "little boss" would be well advised to make the necessary (political) adjustments in the future....** --- BEFORE *s*wiss *d*ino and his big boss and switzerland, there was ISrael. DURING swiss dino and his big boss and switzerland, there is Israel. AFTER swiss dino and his big boss and switzerland, there will be ISRAEL. Israel IS REAL! dino and switzerland and his big boss are passing phenomena, transients, FICTITIOUS.

Really??? why oh why do we keep kissing their @#$s. CUT THEM OFF!!

come november. especially the jewish members of the houses . in the usa politics come first every time . every president is told what to do when push comes to shove !!

" Only on the surface there is no crisis....." Of course, there is no crisis on the surface, though it's been the biggest news in Israeli media and on several major U.S. networks for the last week. Why do anti-Israeli a-holes so frequently say the exact opposite of what's readily witnessed?

can tell Israel where to build especially Jerusalem which the enternal capital of Israel. The Pals have Gaza and they can all move there. Israel gave it up and still they do nothing with yet. Now is the time to build Gaza which they can call Palestine.

Obamas words on FOX News were most probably designed to calm mainstream Jewish hearts and minds overseas (don't forget, that the audience on FOX News is a pretty conservative one, so it didn't make sense for him to further inflame things by being verbally agressive). But at the latest since last weekend, there can be no doubt anymore, that something has changed in the U.S.- Israel relationship. Even previous U.S. administrations did not accept Israels standing on Jerusalem by refu- sing to move the U.S. embassy there. But the Obama administration has not only fully adopted the Arab (and International) position on Jerusalem, but also seems to be willing to act, if Israel goes too far in its "soft ethnic cleansing" there. Make no mistake, the "big boss" has shown the "little boss" its place over the past week, and the "little boss" would be well advised to make the necessary (political) adjustments in the future.....

But I believe it is too late. Put a fork in the (D)s.

Have you not yet realized, the pals cant and dont want to make peace, they want all Israel, nothing less. I really dont know how long or what it will take for you to realize this reality.

how would one define 'crisis' in this situation? perhaps it's true that relations are fine, but Israel has deliberately acted against its commitment to peace. It deserves the tensions of recent days, and nothing less.