Netanyahu vows never to let Israelis be tried for war crimes
PM blasts Goldstone conclusions as 'distorted report' that 'undermines Israel's right to defend itself.'
By Haaretz Service and News Agencies Tags: Goldstone report Benjamin Netanyahu Israel newsPrime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Monday that he would never allow any of the Israel's leaders or soldiers to be put on trial for war crimes.
Netanyahu opened his fiery speech at the inauguration of the Knesset's winter session by blasting the Goldstone Commission's report sponsored by the United Nations, that accused Israel of committing war crimes during its war against militants in the Gaza Strip last year.
Israel has the right to defend itself, Netanyahu declared, and would not acquiesce to a situation where wartime leaders or troops who participated in the operation stand trial.
"This distorted report, written by this distorted committee, undermines Israel's right to defend itself. This report encourages terrorism and threatens peace," Netanyahu said. "Israel will not take risks for peace if it can't defend itself."
Israeli officials across the board have condemned the report, saying the operation came in response to years of Hamas rocket attacks. They also blame Hamas for civilian casualties, saying the Islamic militant group took cover in residential areas during the fighting.
Netanyahu angrily noted the report's portrayal of Israeli leaders as war criminals during his address on Monday. "The truth is exactly the opposite," he said. "Israel's leaders and its army are those who defended the citizens of Israel from war criminals."
"We will not allow Ehud Olmert, Tzipi Livni and Ehud Barak, who sent our sons to war, to arrive at the international court in the Hague," he added.
When details of the investigation's conclusions first emerged in September, Netanyahu blasted the commission as nothing but a "kangaroo court."
"The Goldstone report is a kangaroo court against Israel, whose consequences harm the struggle of democratic countries against terror," said Netanyahu during closed meetings.
He was referring to the report's author, Richard Goldstone, a South African war crimes prosecutor.
The 575-page report also accused Hamas of actions amounting to war crimes by firing rockets at civilians in southern Israel. The Palestinian Authority, Hamas' rival in the West Bank, initially retracted its proposal for an immediate vote on the probe.
Following weeks of criticism, President Mahmoud Abbas on Sunday retracted the deferral and ordered his envoy to the United Nations to resubmit the report.
Appealing to the Palestinian leadership during his address on Monday, Netanyahu called on them to agree to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, saying this was, and remains, the key to peace.
"For 62 years, the Palestinians have been saying 'No' to the Jewish state. I am once again calling upon our Palestinian neighbors; say 'Yes' to the Jewish state." he said. "Without recognition of Israel as the state of the Jews we shall not be able to attain peace."
Such recognition "is a step which requires courage," Netanyahu said, adding that the Palestinian leadership "shouid tell its people the truth - that without this recognition, there can be no peace."
"There is no alternative to Palestinian leaders showing courage by recognizing the Jewish state," he said. "This has been and remains the true key to peace."
Netanyahu has raised the demand for Palestinian acceptance of Israel as Jewish state before. For him, it is a way of ensuring recognition of Israel's right to exist - as opposed to merely recognizing Israel - which he and many other Israelis see as the real core of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Turning to the subject of Iran and its nuclear ambitions, he called on all responsible states in the world to ensure that Tehran did not get atomic weapons.
The head of the opposition and chairwoman of Kadima, Tzipi Livni spoke after Netanyahu. She harshly attacked his cabinet and its actions.
"Your achievement is survival, and your second achievement is that you have managed not to do anything," she said, accusing the coalition minister of buying votes in the Knesset at the public's expense.
"You have turned the state into a state that is losing its international support," she said.
Knesset Speaker Reuven Rivlin removed two Likud MKs, Miri Regev and Ofir Akunis, from the session after they disturbed Livni's speech.
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"your (i.e. you anti-Israel idiots) words are meaningless at this point." Then, Lee, you may be able to understand and appreciate how tiresome and meaningless your charges of "anti-semitism" are to your critics.
Netanyahu can't agree to respect international law; the whole premise of his administration is that international law doesn't apply to Israel, and that Israel can make its own rules. If he tried to obey international law, he would be out of office in a month.
If this is so, Bibi has no right to visit any foreign country or if he does he should be immediately arrested.
Would it not be easier to promise not to commit crimes and respect international law?
You can say that Golstone is a cover agent of Aminejad, the president of the ONU are ultra antisemite, that whe the civiliced and educated people of the world only want the destruction of israel...this ia a sugestion for the propaganda of the mossad too...
The world hates NAZI, not people from Germany. The world witnessed the Israeli war crimes. Israel must take those responsible to the Hague and hang them high. If those that use illegal weapons are not executed, the world may hate Jews for the acts of a few genocidal fools at the top of the goverment
The Serbs also didn't care what anyone else thought, but they learned that was imprudent.
"This is the world of massive pogroms, inquisitions, blood libels, with nobody ever held accountable" Recently? Or over 50 years ago? Let me tell you something, Judith; your self-pity does not wash. The Palestinians are the ones doing all the dying as they struggle to be free of Israel's occupation, settlers, soldiers, etc and etc.
"without recognition of israel as the state of the jews we shall not be able to attain peace" -this philosophy is hypocitical in it's satanic intentions. Netanyahu and the ones who control israel are purposefully manipulating jewish minds to push the sick agenda. hate begats hate... train your mind to answer hate with love, people- we are much more powerful than the current system of control
an oppressed people, under occupation have the legitimate right to defend and rebel "by any means necessary or available" If you want peace, consider the possibilities of democracy and equal rights for all, rather than rights based on a grandparents religious beliefs.
"As Bibi once said they will give they will get!" What will it take for them to get the illegal settlers out of the West Bank, do you think?
Has Arafat been judjed for war crimes or for terrorism acts? No. He has received a Nobel Prize for all he did. Shame on you, O.N.U. !!!
"Israel's leaders and its army are those who defended the citizens of Israel from war criminals." Just how long can these people (zionists) continue to survive in their bizarro-world, where they can do no wrong and cannot be criticised? I wonder if they would like to view some photos of the dead "war-criminals" they killed, the ones who were just children. Israelis, you should be filled with pride - filled with something!
The Washington Post quoted Foreign Minister Livni at Annapolis: "Stop treating me as a pariah...Why doesn't anyone want to shake my hand?...Why doesn't anyone want to be seen speaking to me?" Livni's accomplishments can be measured by adding a zero to the left of a number.
Self defense is one thing. War crimes is something completely different. Why should Israel be immune to prosecution? Why should Israel be the only country on this planet who can commit war crimes and atrocities and not be held accountable for it?
Netanyahu is 100% right.
I think the reason why people are not talking about Hamas' war crimes is because nobody here is trying to say that Hamas didn't commit any. On the other hand there are all kinds of people who are trying to claim that Israel is completely innocent. When a terrorist organization and a democratic state both commit war crimes, what is the most alarming and what will be discussed the most?
Stick to the subject. This is about Nutanyahu being in denial. It is his statement that is being debated here. The old chestnut of anti-Semitism does not apply. Change the record please. Yawn......
When I read this anteb sighti-Israeli BS on an Israeli web site, how can it be said that Israel is not a democracy ? Imagine anti Palistinian talk on a talk site in any Moslem nation !
...war crimes in the Hague. How many weddings have been bombed in Afghanistan? Anywhere between 85,000 and 1 milion civilians killed in Iraq? Abu Ghraib? Goldstone! A Nobel waiting for you!
You anti-Israel idiots have been screaming and yelling for our heads for so long, we just don't care anymore. Kind of the boy who cried wolf, your words are meaningless at this point.
Unfortunately the Palestinian "war criminals" are prevented by Israel from leaving Gaza to travel to democratic countries, so it appears that until Israel ends its draconian blockade the International Courts of Justice will have to settle for charging just the Israeli war criminals.
If there are Palestinians who are known to have attacked civilians and who manage to leave Gaza and travel to countries that are really (unlike Israel) democracies, then they too should be charged with war crimes. I suppose if Israeli militants are not allowed to kill innocent Palestinian babies by mistake, when all they are trying to do is kill guilty Palestinian militants, then it follows that Palestinian militants should not be allowed to occasionally hurt innocent Israelis by mistake when all they are trying to do is kill guilty Israeli militants. Certainly a half dozen innocent Israelis suffered, and a couple actually died, as a result of Palestinians firing rockets at Israeli targets, and the perpetrators should be charged along with the Israeli perpetrators who killed well over a thousand innocent Palestinians over the same period, as well as maiming thousands and demolishing thousands of homes. Let's haul them all up before the international courts of justice. Fair is fair
She and Bibi should go on the road with their show. Lots of laughs...
for any form of justice. This is the civilized world that sent 6 million Jews to their deaths, with only a small handful ever convicted. No one would accept them into their cuntries.This is the world of massive pogroms, inquisitions, blood libels, with nobody ever held accountable.Now that Jews want to defend themselves from rockets they cry "foul play". Too bad, goyim , too bad.
And how does Mr. Bibi plan to "never...let Israelis be tried for war crimes.?" Is Bibi now the ruler of the world that he decides what other independent countries should do? Does he think that the U.S. will help him with this problem when the U.S. cannot do anymore than Israel? Is this guy for real?
Goldstone, Durson & Co of jew-haters and israel-bashers are wrong.
Nobody here or anywhere is. Sort of like......anti-semitism, which nobody will admit.
You will make a call to Brown, to Sarkozy, to Obama, to ....? Limit Israeli leadership travel to "trusted" countries only? The courts in these "trusted" countries do not have to take orders from their elected governments, you probably aware of that.
Doing the zionist thing eh. "There is nothing to discuss." 17 You never do have much to say---do you #17 Israel adopted that nothing to discuss approach and guess what. Oh well if you are taking the 5th ---ok. Your heroes will still be tried in abstensia---and grounded---in Israel. On the upside ---they will be there to witness the handover to a Bi National State.They might even be invited to take part in the cerimonies???. Would not want to be them at that point.
to stay home. There's no other way he'll be able to prevent them being arrested and charged before the International Criminal Courts. Bibi has a big mouth but not much sense.
Israel must never be allowed to dictate whether it is or is not responsible for war crimes. It is not a higher authority, never was and never will be.
War crimes are war crimes and no leader can shield offenders....
The irony here is that Netanyahu sounds like Farrakhan now.
IDF generals are paid to take risks, get killed in action if need be like Gen. Gerstein and lead our men into combat and emerge victorious or not return alive. We are guilty for not demanding that of our generals. Instead we let them issue orders that are crimes against humanity. Filling Lebanese villages with over 1.2 million unexploded bomblets, shooting kids, and bombing apartmetn buildings filled with Arabs. It is us who should stand in the docket at the Hague War Crimes Tribunals for not sending our generals there immediately.
It does not endanger Israel's security at all but it may lead to other Arab concessions. Even if it doesn't it would be a victory for Israel in the arena of propaganda.
helped by refusing to show up. That tactic used to work as in Jenin and Lebanon. Not anymore. Attendance required and Absentees will be found guilty if just by default. In this case the evidence was there in copious ammounts. Live Streaming video on our Tv screens in all its gory details. that my dear is why Israel did not show up. Too cowardly to be precise.
helped by refusing to show up. That tactic used to work as in Jenin and Lebanon. Not anymore. Attendance required and Absentees will be found guilty if just by default. In this case the evidence was there in copious ammounts. Live Streaming video on our Tv screens in all its gory details. that my dear is why Israel did not show up. Too cowardly to be precise.
LOL .. of course not, Israel is above any international law, right? One day, this will come down crumbling on you, soon I hope!
because with all the homies sticking their head deeper in the sand, there is nothing sticking out except their arses!!! You know, correctly reading the handwriting on the wall has historically been a severe shortcoming of Israelis. This is no exception. You must have a Masada complex or something as countries are dropping Israel left and right. Tea?
Silvienne Newsflash for you Silvienne Once people in WB could wait for two hours in the Havara crossing today it takes them approximately 5 minutes, the roadblocks in Nablus have been lifted! 50 Busses Plus some 400 cars enter Nablus every Saturday, bringing with them something like 4000 Arab Israelis who do their shopping there, and have a good time, getting into the Arab Palestinian economy an extra 2 million NIS every Saturday! As long as there will be peace and quiet more and more roadblocks will be lifted in other cities and towns! As Bibi once said they will give they will get!
The entire world except the USA is with us and for us. Soon, the USA will be. You lose. Time is up.
The BIBI contention that the IDF killed four hundred children is meant to deflect from the atrocities committed by IDF and the statement is purposely deceptive. "Women" are considered to be anyone under the age of eighteen. Many of these "children", in their late teens, carried weapons and were enlisted by women as part of the battle. Their bullets, knives and grenades were as dangerous as any adults' weapons. What were IDF soldiers supposed to do, die or be wounded at the hands of these "children". And what other country would allow the state panic
Silviene, You ought to note of this NYT column which refers to Israeli settle- ments and outposts as fiction of the ground. You shouldn't feel im-posed by them either as this was the kind of message they were ex-pected to convey. Look at this way if the British Empire, French, Dutch and Portugese can move their rear end from the colonies they once occupied so can the carpet beggars in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. (See URL) Dutch http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/22/opinion/22judt.html
could have been lifted straight from the script of Monty Pythons Life of Brian. A person arrested in London or anywhere else for that matter would be outside the jurisdiction of Israel. Netanyahu is signing cheques that he cannot possibly cash. It was interesting that the most pressing problem for the Government of Israel, the passing of a budget was not mentioned.
joe is just a blubering zionist....
I guess you'll just have to tell those in your government and ,ilitary implicated in war crimes that they won't be going anywhere and if they do, they will be subject to arrest and you will not be able to do anything about it. International law is international law.
You guys really sound stupid now complaining how the report is one sided. Are you educationally handicapped or something? If you don't give any input that failure doesn't stop the show. Suck it up. We saw what you did and know why you did it and one of your own points out what you did and why you did it and gee, alas, you don't like it. Tough world ain't it, esp when an impeccably credentialed homie outs you. Tea?
There is no need to try to defeat Israel with weapons of war. Israel will defeat itself. Nobody, and no Nation, can do what they have done and act as they act and stay alive and hope to remain. The whole world sees what Israel is and soon it will come back to haunt and destroy them. It's truly too bad that Israel will ultimately make life dangerous for Jews worldwide.
diminated organisation that hired him to prepare it. There is nothing to discuss.
it never was, and will never be.
The entire world except the USA is with us and for us. Soon, the USA will be. You lose. Time is up.
You've overlooked the elephant in the room, CK, and that is Mr. Goldstone is an upstanding, impeccably credentialed, truthful Zionist Jew with whom you & yours are in a snit about because he put truth over tribalism. He defended himself on CNN, pointing out that folks who are immersed in tribalism, such as yourself, knows no truth, only BS spouting. Still trying to polish the occupation turd? Seems like every day somebody else in the int'l community is distancing itself from Israel and those tribal members who are stiff necked, and indicate by their posts that truth is negotiable. It ain't. Well, the antisemitism mantra is now useless. Time to hit the Hasbra playbook for another line. You guys are sinking. Of course, you are not in Israel, but Germany, so you really don't give two shekels. Stop being stiff necked. Things ain't looking good in La-La land. Tea?
Bibi's nonsense is just what one would expect from a war criminal, just like murderers and thieves. They all want to avoid trial, but that doesn't delegitimize the process. I'll need to review relevant documents, but my recollection is that a number of war criminals have been tried in absentia when they and their countries refused to deliver them for trial. Hopefully, such prosecutions will proceed regarding Cast Lead, with complete disregard for little Bibi. No one is going to invade Israel to arrest war criminals, but at least they'll be in a form of exile, persona non grata or subject to arrest throughout much of the world. Insufficient punishment, but better than nothing.
"Israel responded disproportionately to Hamas` 8,000 rockets then let the truth be told" How many were killed by these 8,000 rockets? Israel doesn't know how to react any other way but disproportionately...
Bibi wib't freeze settlement construction or remove outposts. With every illegal settler house that goes up in the West Bank, a Palestinian state is farther away from realization. He knows it as well as we do.
and the rest of the war criminals in Bosnia and also in Rwanda. Guess she wouold see Judge Goldstone as a meddleer there as well who did nothing but create a mess. Israel is an occupier. Israel covets land that is not hers. Israel claims it needs its "historic heartland" (heard that before??) Israel carried out amilitary operation that clearly was meant not only to achieve security for its southern population but to teach a lesson to the palestinans by making civilans suffer beyond anything necessary for defence and security. Excuses and undermining the integrity of a judge with much integrity is not part of a winning argument. Nor is Israel's knee jerk response of not cooperating.
The Goldstone Report does condemn war crimes by Hamas. Hopefully, if any Hamas leader ever lands in the EU or other western country, he will be prosecuted, just as Israeli war criminals should. Like the Israelis, most will avoid such trips. By focusing on time period of the Qassams, you give a very misleading impression. One of the key principles espoused and examined by the report is that of proportionality. It cited 8 Israeli Qassam deaths in the two years preceding Cast Lead (total count is less than 25) and compared that to the 1,400+ Palsetinians killed. It specifically noted the high proportion of civilians, especially children, among the Palestinian dead. Israelis may not kill hundreds of civlians to counter the death of 25. The Goldstone report also finds that Israel deliberately targeted civilians to punish them for electing Hamas and timed the 1st attack to coincide with children getting out of school to maximize civilian terror.
Not self defense. Using the "Jhony" method is war crimes not self defense. Firing white sulfur on civilian population is war crimes not self defense. If Israel really believes in what it says it shouldn't worry of appearing in The Hague, but they know better and thus petrified of The Hague.
FACE THE FACTS: THE WORST CRIME COMMITTED BY THE PALESTINIANS IS ROCK TROWING AND THE LAUNCHING HOMEMADE MODEL ROCKETS INTO ISRAEL. THE HOMEMADE MODEL ROCKETS USUALLY LAND IN OPEN FIELDS, AWAY FROM ISRAELI STRUCTURES. THE PALESTINIANS USE ROCKS, LIGHT ARMS, AND SOME HOMEMADE MODEL ROCKETS. ISRAEL RESPONDS WITH TANKS, AERIAL BOMBARDMENT, AND MASSIVE GROUND OFFENSIVES. THE PALESTINIANS ONLY WANT THEIR FREEDOM; ISRAEL WANTS THEIR LAND!
By all means hold any War Criminals accountable and if Israel responded disproportionately to Hamas' 8,000 rockets then let the truth be told. But Please, please don't tell us about the Civilised World when your pathetic excuse for a President gave the go ahead for what turned out to be a MILLION deaths in Iraq. Same with Blair, Mugabe,the Janjaweed in Sudan, Somalia, Georgia, China in Tibet and all the others from your Civilised World who are directly responsible for the mayhem, murder and Genocidal acts.There is NO Civilised World...it's a Myth.
to equate an outlawed terror group with a sovereign democracy; to embarrass the only possible palestinian interlocutore with israel and the west; to embarrass the united states and other western allies; to give a free gift to all islamic terrorists; to be the champion of the corrupt hrc, made up of the worst human rights abusers on planet earth; to write a report which is a farce legally and factually; to make it impossible for there to be any peace process, however tentative and difficult.
There has never been nor is their any policy making palestinian citizenry fair game. If indeed that was the case, israel could do a much much better job of it. In fact, israel has gone to great lengths, much more so than virtually any country in the world to minimize civilian deaths in a conflict where hamas regularly exploits civilians NO country has gone to the lengths to do such things as warn pal citizen not involved in terror to leave a region being used for terror, to actually avoid conflict whenever possible, which is why cast lead occurred years into the rocket shelling and not weeks or days (as would have been the case with many countries around the world), and contrary to how the palestinians behave, to only have a policy of targetting those deliberately involved in acts of terror Your sympathies are genuine im sure, but the palestinian people have always made the bed they sleep in and made the awful decisions which impact their lives now, not israel
terrorising palestinians to leave, and jews to come.
Demanding recognition of Israel as a 'Jewish State' is deliberately offensive to non-Jewish citizens. It is unpleasant because it has a racist tinge about it, suggesting two classes of citizenship, It would be perfectly possible to gain Arab acceptance of the State of Israel (which Arafat of course did years ago and the Arab League has offered to do)). It would be perfectly reasonable for signatories to a final peace deal to '... recognise that the State of Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people, within which citizens of all other races and religions have fully equal rights enshrined within the laws of Israel'. The sole reason Bibi has invented this sudden demand and precondition is to block any peace talks ever getting underway. He thinks it will scupper any right of return for Palestinian refugees, but it won't - that issue will be debated and agreed separately and, although the final number may be small, it won't be affected one iota by calling Israel a 'Jewish state'.
There is a step that needs to be taken, one that requires true courage, rather than blustering to cover fear. That step is coming to terms with what has been done to Palestinians to create Israel, and making reparations for them. Let those who fled return. Let those who are under Israeli control either have equal status, or give up control over them. Netanyahu, you can either be known as Israel's de Klerk, or go down in history as just another Botha and Viljoen.
"that`s right is Hamas being tried, are the killing mullahs being. . ." - ks, from lala land, ca I guess you don't know about the Israel Ministry of Security and the Israel Prison Service. Palestinians are regularly arrested, tried and convicted for their crimes. You need to look up the words 'red herring' and 'buffoon.'
in harms way , and then fire their rockets , it is they who are fundamentally responsible for their childrens death.... No state who constantly has their security threatened (to say nothing of the multiple and continued attempts at its complete annihilation which the arabs and pals would like us all to forget) , and no state which cannot defend itself against those who exploit their own citizenry in war, can or should advance peace talks. What that does is enable terror to thrive and entirely bind the hands of the recipients of terror from any action. That is quite simply wrong.
THE CIVILIZED WORLD WILL HOLD ISRAELI WAR CRIMINALS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.
I do hope so---nothing I would like to see better than Bibi in a paddy wagon cuffed and screaming vociferoulsy that he had signed a law outlawing the ICC. Israel sure knows how to pick their leaders---god help them. Maybe giving them all that land was not such a hot idea---after all. I wonder what he thinks---we shall see. Stay tuned for more on the Trials of Israeli war criminals at the Hague. Here is one possible headline-- "Livni collapses at the hague" Breaks down in Tears and claims Olmert made her go to war. Barak claims it was all Livni,s idea.(Large puddle under the witness stand????. Cant you see these brave centurions hanging each other. And cant you see Dershowitz when things do not go his way.Waving Joan Peter,s novel of fiction?? "From time immemorial". Mr Dershowitz---stick to the point. What a laugh it all will be.
islamic jihad, hezbollah and the like who begin and perpetuate conflict, who themselves have the blood of thousands of their own citizens as well as israelis oon their hands, who test israel with months to years of bombardment and terror (and then play the victim when a response is finally made) , who deliberately endanger their own citizens, who have the stated objective of the annihilation of israel, to say nothing of what has been minimized and often ignored, ie arab palestinian war crimes, must be brought to account, for any of this investigation to have merit for israelis or arab pals
I'm not a lawyer, but it's my understanding that you can't plead that you can't try me unless everyone else who committed a crime is tried also. Israeli law may be different, but most law systems say if you committed a crime, you can be tried, regardless of what happens to anyone else. Of course one thing which probably makes a difference is that you as a zionist believe Israel can't commit a crime because everything Israel does is justified.
I loved a debate where the negative side said nothing about the affirmative except that it was wrong. The instant the first negative dropped a point, I had won one. And on the negative I NEVER failed to refute a fact or argument brought up by the opposing team. Which gets us to the current controversy over the Goldstone Report. Where is the point-by-point refutation of the facts presented? Where is the specific arguments against the conclusions drawn? Where are the recommendations opposed? They are not. The endless drum beat is that the report is not true, but there is no support for that position aside from the argument that a Zionist Jew, Judge Goldstone, is an anti-Semite out to smear Israel. Indeed, there is much assertion of 'facts' that are not in the report, such as the accusation that it ignores the rocket attacks against Israel as well as war crimes and crimes against humanity by various Palestinians. Only a loser attacks what is not there, while ignoring what is.
does the idiot realy thinks he is the worlds suppreme judge?
The Goldstone report does also cite the IDF report and it also cites Israeli leaders and Israeli citizens. It also used this newspaper. Apart from that their is physical evidence. From reading the report (and I was not counting) the single most important document "a charge" and "a decharge" was the IDF report. The main difference between the Goldstone report and the IDF report is not what happened but more the reasons, the details and the applicable rule of law.
Silvienne And I thought you wanted the roadblocks dismantled, Well Binyamin Netanyahu is the one, who is doing just that, Plus getting the Palestinian economy working, Go and see Ramallah Same thing is now happening in Nablus what was regarded not so long ago by Israel as the capital of terrorism, in 2009 is now getting to be the Palestinian commercial and trade center, people are saying their sales in 2009 have grew by 90%! Silvienne you are one more sheep in flock, who has no idea what is happening!
You are right on the money! And I don't remember Yasser Arafat (while he was alive) being charged for war crimes by being responsible for the murders and terrorizing of innocent Israeli civilians.
This is WRONG. Democracy requires the separation of religion and state. If we do not, we will become just another religious-based middle-eastern country. What a shame that would be. Peace NOW!!!
The best way to achieve his goal is to not commit war crimes and crimes against humanity. The second best is to give open and HONEST trials by their own service and government. The later would require open and honest investigations with full and vigorous prosecutions. Which gets us back to why Netanyahu has no interest in preventing war crimes any more than he is interested in seeing them prosecuted. Aside from politicians, I know of no criminal class which favors more police, more prosecutions, and more convictions of criminals. Politicians like to grandstand about 'law and order'. Their tune changes when the crimes involved are theirs.
Unfortunately, he is right, the USA will never allow that to happen, they are just using the report to put some pressure on Israeli leaders, that is all! I hope I am wrong.
This is WRONG. Democracy requires the separation of religion and state. If we do not, we will become just another religious-based middle-eastern country. What a shame that would be. Peace NOW!!!
What a good laugh I had today thank to you don't wish something you cannot deliver it may back fired!
but declined to offer any counter-evidence, B Gold. Most likely because there isn't any. That silence, plus preventing the Inquiry gathering evidence and interviewing witnesses in Israel, will play only one way at the ICC. Then all will see how powerless Netanyahu is to prevent the inevitable consequences of Israeli actions. Joe sitizen's idea that "until Palestinian political and military leaders face justice, the world cannot insist that only Israelis be put on trial" will also be shown to be hot air and bravado. Unfortunately, the ICC treats all alleged war criminals the same, whether Serb and Croat, Hutu/ and Tsutsi or Israeli and Gazan. First the charge, then the summons, then the international arrest warrant, then the consideration of the evidence in court. Lack of evidence, obstruction, bluster and wishful thinking do not begin to constitute a defense. Israel is banking 100% on Obama somehow blocking the process. But can he?.
.. neighter did he accknowledge the authority of the ICC, of course, that didn't keep them from trying and incancerating him up untill his tragic death.
tried are Americans being tried in Afghanistan or pakistan.This is stupid.Bibi you are 100% right.alot of Americans who voted for Obama are beginning to wake up.Hundreds of my friends felt they had no choice being faced with the same problem which gave Carter a win.Now they are starting to talk like happened when Carter ran for sa second term, about not voting for Obama a second term.Bibi do what is best for Israel for that is also best for humanity.Be the leader that does the right thing for Israel and ultimately for humanity
"Israel will not take risks for peace if it can't defend itself." - netenyahoo oh! that is very convincing! risks for peace? what are those? defend itself? does that include killing children mister netenyahoo?
"Israel has the right to defend itself, Netanyahu declared, and would not acquiesce to a situation where wartime leaders or troops who participated in the operation stand trial." This (and the reset of the article) does not sound like a denial of the incidents that are reported in the Goldstone report. It feels likes Netanyahu thinks that those crimes should be written on the account of Hamas. That is not precisely what the rest of the educated world thinks is normal. The rules were written to avoid lame excuses of war leaders like Netanyahu. The day Obama decides to stop playing it soft and needs to get the American public on his side, this speech could haunt Netanyahu.
No double standard - read my #2. However, you cannot insist that Israeli criminals should go free until Palestinian criminals are in the dock. That would be as absurd as saying that no thief should be punished until all thieves are arrested.
What will Netanyahu do if an Israeli general is arrested and put on trial - bomb the Hague? Come on Bibi, don't make promises you can't hope to keep. Besides, if you're so innocent as you claim to be - why not prove it in court in front of the whole world?
"Netanyahu vows never to let Israelis be tried for war crimes" That's the sort of thing Milosevic used to say. Serbia would never let Serbs be tried by the Hague. His right-wing nutters loved the rhetoric, just as I bet Bibi's did today. Hmm, now let me think, where did Milosevic end his days, and how many of his cronies also ended up in the Hague? Advice to IDF commanders and politicians involved in planning Cast Lead: you might want to think twice before relying on Netanyahu's vow. The British or French police don't take orders from him. And remember - war crimes, like love, are forever. No statute of limitations on them, as the Simon Weisenthal centre, still hunting Nazis in their nineties will be happy to confirm.
The Goldstone report is meant for the international community. It has served, and continues to serve its purpose.
Why this pushiness on a concept that is so foggy and probably insulting for non-Jews living here: "Jewish State" What does that mean? That you can with a quiet concience treat non- Jews as second rate citizens? Why is "State" not enough? Recognize israel as a State and homeland for the Jewish people. Why can this not be the formulation? It sounds a whole lot less threatening and basicly means the same that you want the state to identify with Jewish traditions and customs, while giving others the freedom of expression of their traditions. Just like in Europe where you can see States indentify with christianity and see churches synagogues and mosques.
Israel is sinking is own ship, again. Time for american to stop give weapon money to Israel, People that keep follow the path of destruction to his own nation and refuse to follow international law let them sink..
that lead nowhere. Israel - get rid of him you can do better than that!
what goes around comes around. you?re hunted. watch your back every time you leave the country. if it weren?t true, it won?t generate such a reaction even from livni.
The evidence, as Goldstone stated, was based almost entirely on UNVERIFIABLE PALESTINIAN CLAIMS and publications from politicized pro-Palestinian NGOs ? the report cites B'tselem and the Palestinian Center for Human Rights each more than 70 times, Al-Haq allegations get more 30 mentions, and there are many more NGO co-authors. The methodology used in the 36 incidents examined by the committee will give critics of the report and the commission the strongest basis for rejecting its conclusions. As to the reaction of the Israeli Foreign Ministry Spokesperson: http://xrl.us/bfk84e
We stand with you Israel.Obama is just a fad that will be gone in 3 more years.He brings no hope only appeasement.Can't wait for the third uprising so Israel can do what she needs to and that's wipe out all arab countries hostile to her and get rid of the pals once and for all.Nothing but beggars and thieves.
Just a quick reminder Mr. Netanyahu, the trials are conducted at the Hague not Tel Aviv. It is really not up to you should the nations of this world have the guts to go ahead and do the right thing.
Netanyahu is insistent that the Goldstone report is the product of a Kangaroo court... he doesn't actually specify that the parts condemning Palestinian warcrimes are not part of this Kangaroo court. Although, fortunately, not everyone takes their view on events in the Occupied Territories from Netanyahu.
With world opinion against Israel, the time for Bibi's "bluff and bluster" is long past. He is doing Israel a disservice every time he opens his mouth...
And BiBi has a seat at what table and chairs what committee in the UN...They not be officially tried but the verdict is in in the World and the leadership-not the Israeli people- are guilty of crime against humanity...
the world saw what you did. goldstone eternalize it in his report. justice will prevail.
...there is nothing Israel can do except to accept responsibility for what its policies and military has done. There is only one way to peace and that is through justice. Bibi can attempt to delay, but in the end, justice will not be denied.
God Almighty to make such pronouncements. What a fool! Who is any head of state to say that international law does nor apply to his nation - ever? This guy is the biggest gift ever to anti-Israel, anti-Jewish elements. Why use weapons when Netanyahu and his merry band of morons will destroy Israel all by themselves? This is hard to watch.
Anybody who can read English (and whatever other language the report came out it) can see clearly in the Goldstone report: the Palestinians committed war crimes. Not only that, but Goldstone made it very clear that these war crimes have been going on for 8 years, not just during Cast Lead. And if you read his conclusions, it is clear that suicide bombings, car bombings, driveby shootings and other Palestinian attacks on Israeli civilians were also war crimes. Thus, the Palestinians have decades of war crimes to answer for. In the current world climate, it appears impossible for anybody outside of Israel to even contemplate that Palestinians should be put on trial. The evil double standard means until Palestinian political and military leaders face justice, the world cannot insist that only Israelis be put on trial.
harm the struggle of democratic countries against terror," He was referring to a future U.N. pre fabricated report against Nato and U.S. actions in Afganistan .
I would have thought that the Israelis of all people would understand the need for impartial and powerful protection against war criminals.
Of course no member of the IDF will face sanction for war crimes. This is precisely what's expected of the brave soldiers in Israel's military. Their leaders deem civilian populations,in Lebanon or Gaza, to be fair game. seemingly its standard practice now for Israel to target civilian populations and infrastructure. The most moral army in the world? Don't make us laugh.
This way no Israeli war criminal can be "tried"---but they will be "tired". they might even wish for a trip anywhere.---even the Hague. Imagine spending the rset of your life in the least liked country on this palnet. Hell--it is no more than they deserve.
WELL SAID.
Someone should remind the Prime Minister that he has no jurisdiction over those countries where, if Israelis involved in war crimes, a magistrate might arrest them for trial. Relations have deteriorated with the United States, with Turkey and with Jordan. That is the price of intransigence. Keep the occupation up, that is the price.
If an Israeli politician or soldier is arrested outside Israel, there is nothing Netanyahu can do about it. This blustering speech is clearly aimed at propping up the morale of those Israelis who are now worrying that their actions in Gaza or Lebanon could land them in jail. All suspected criminals should be put on trial.
The outcome is out of the hands of Israeli government. Outsiders will decide about the Goldstone report and how far to push it. Let's hope for the best.
NO ARREST ALLOWED. OR ELSE ... SIGNED B. NETANYAHU