Netanyahu and Mitchell meeting after tense White House talks

You are right, you did not say the words, Hamas is the representative of the Palestinian people. I am wrong. You just implied it, and tried to convince me that was the case, with the following comments: The radical Islamic movement Hamas won a large majority in the new Palestinian parliament .... In Wednesday`s voting, Hamas claimed 76 of the 132 parliamentary seats, giving the party at war with Israel the right to form the next cabinet A majority of Palestinian Arabs voted Hamas into office in 2005 and now Hamas is the de-facto ruler of Gaza because they proved stronger than Fatah whom they kicked out of Gaza. So, clearly, at the least, Hamas is an entity that cannot be ignored because they have the capacity to overrule any agreement that the PA may conclude with Israel. But as I said, enough about about Hamas. We have spent too much time on irrelevancies. The peace talks will start soon, and Hamas won’t be there.

You are right, you did not say the words, Hamas is the representative of the Palestinian people. I am wrong. You just implied it, and tried to convince me that was the case, with the following comments: The radical Islamic movement Hamas won a large majority in the new Palestinian parliament .... In Wednesday`s voting, Hamas claimed 76 of the 132 parliamentary seats, giving the party at war with Israel the right to form the next cabinet A majority of Palestinian Arabs voted Hamas into office in 2005 and now Hamas is the de-facto ruler of Gaza because they proved stronger than Fatah whom they kicked out of Gaza. So, clearly, at the least, Hamas is an entity that cannot be ignored because they have the capacity to overrule any agreement that the PA may conclude with Israel. But as I said, enough about about Hamas. We have spent too much time on irrelevancies. The peace talks will start soon, and Hamas won’t be there.

"I am not going to play games where you misquote me and then demand I defend it"(Ron) Show me where I misquoted you, which post and how? In your #222 you said: "Khaled Meshal stated in 2009 that Hamas would accept the creation of a Palestinian state based on 1967 borders(Ron #222) Show me how THAT equates to the recognition of Israel. It only demonstrates that they want a Palestinian state. Whoopy doooo Ron, what's new about that? But I bet you cannot show me where Hamas said that in return for the establishment of a Palestinian state, they [Hamas] would recognise Israel and sign a peace agreement with Israel. Remember, a peace agreement, NOT their famous Hudna. You do know what a Hudna is Ron? Don't you? I'll show you what they DO still say: http://www.imemc.org/index.php?obj_id=53&story_id=57362 "Palestinian Prime Minister of the dissolved Hamas-led government in Gaza, Ismail Haniyya, stated Friday that Palestine is and will always be the same to the Palestinians, from the river to the sea, and that the Palestinians will always defend it"(December 2009)

"I am not going to play games where you misquote me and then demand I defend it"(Ron) Show me where I misquoted you, which post and how? In your #222 you said: "Khaled Meshal stated in 2009 that Hamas would accept the creation of a Palestinian state based on 1967 borders(Ron #222) Show me how THAT equates to the recognition of Israel. It only demonstrates that they want a Palestinian state. Whoopy doooo Ron, what's new about that? But I bet you cannot show me where Hamas said that in return for the establishment of a Palestinian state, they [Hamas] would recognise Israel and sign a peace agreement with Israel. Remember, a peace agreement, NOT their famous Hudna. You do know what a Hudna is Ron? Don't you? I'll show you what they DO still say: http://www.imemc.org/index.php?obj_id=53&story_id=57362 "Palestinian Prime Minister of the dissolved Hamas-led government in Gaza, Ismail Haniyya, stated Friday that Palestine is and will always be the same to the Palestinians, from the river to the sea, and that the Palestinians will always defend it"(December 2009)

... and you still have not responded to my request to provide a link to a reputable source which confirms that Hamas is willing to recognize Israel, let alone Israel as the state for the Jewish people ... Oh well, vest Lacie Ron, such is life...

I am not going to play games where you misquote me and then demand I defend it. You began by saying Hamas is not willing to recognize any border. I quoted a Meshad 2009 statement proving you wrong. You then claim that after getting a state, Hamas would still aim to destroy Israel. That is not fact, it is your prognostication. I then claimed that your clairvoyance would ensure there is never peace with the Palestinians. You maintain I said you are making it all up, because Hamas has not said such things. I did not say that Hamas never said such things (about destroying Israel), as you claim. So to respond to the statement I never made, you quote that Hamas said such things in 2007. You are responding to you own claims, not mine. This fuzzy minded logic of changing subjects every time you face a question you can't answer makes it all a waste of time. I'm still waiting for you to tell us what Perez's opinion about Arab League peace offers mean.

In your #222 you said: "Khaled Meshal stated in 2009 that Hamas would accept the creation of a Palestinian state based on 1967 borders(Ron #222) I then completed your sentence and reminded you that after getting a state Hamas would still aim to destroy Israel. So Israel is better off fighting on it's own terms rather than Hamas's terms ... You then claimed that I am just making it all up out of my own vivid imagination because Hamas has not said such things ... I then presented you a reference in which Hamas said exactly those words in 2007. They said that after they would get their own state, they would aim to take over Israel as well. Those were Hamas's own words, Ron. Now you are trying to tell us, Ron, that in 2009 Meshal no longer says that. But is that true, Ron? Look at your own quote Ron: All Meshal said was that he would accept a Palestinian state within the 67 borders. But did he renounce that 2007 policy of theirs? Did he say that he would now recognise Israel? Of course NOT, Ron. And you know it ... Now tell me again: Who is obfuscating Ron? I think that you are the one who is obfuscating and you are the one who is trying to spread misinformation. Do you want to prove me wrong? Then show me a reputable reference which shows that Meshal is now willing to recognise the Jewish state, or even Israel ... Until you do, you better keep your ill founded assertions to yourself Ron, OK?

You were not told part of the story of the 2009 Meshal announcement. Talk about ill-informed fools: in response, you quote a 2007 statement by Radwan. Do you claim a 2007 Hamas spokesman statement is the end of the story of a 2009 Hamas leader announcement? Are you to being intellectually dishonest by trying to confuse readers and obfuscate facts;? or do sequences of historical events confuse you?

?the plague too. "Its time the international community declared Jews like you a menace to world peace..."(Ron) Yes, yes Ron, we are familiar with the type of scapegoating that you mention in your above post. Your kind has been doing it to Jews for the last 2000 years. And what annoys you most is that we are NOT allowing you to make it stick so easily this time around ... Right Ron?

"So now you prognosticate what Meshad really intends to do, despite what he said"(Ron) You only told us part of the story so I thought I would remind you of the rest of what Hamas spokespeople say themselves. Here, enjoy: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/831453.html "Radwan clarified that Hamas' willingness to agree to a state within the 1967 borders is only one part of the multi-stage solution it envisions. "We have not given up in any way our position regarding the territory of Palestine," he said"

You have found me out, and I have tried so hard to pretend I?m an orthodox Jew. Ah, well, that's what spending your life memorizing the Koran in a Madrassa does for your intellect. To have your identity blown is a terrible thing. Did the blogg (sic) also reveal that I am a former member of the Black September organization and was a personal friend of Ali Hassan Salameh? I took his widow as my fourth wife. She's a charmer. She has no children. The Jews killed her 13 year old daughter when they killed her husband. I hope my 1st wife doesn't read this, she thinks she's my only wife. I am now a covert member of Hizbollah, but I hope the blogg didn't reveal that too. I would like to be recruited by Shin Bet because I hate the Palestinians: I am a Shia and they are Sunnis and Christians. What scum. Actually, my last name is JEDALLAH, not JADALLA. You must be a smart guy, Josh, to find this out by yourself. Congratulations, you idiot.

You wrote, "Hamas is not willing to recognize ANY borders of a state for the Jewish people." I answered quoting Meshal 2009 statement that "Hamas would accept a Palestinian state based on 1967 borders": proving you wrong. So now you prognosticate what Meshad really intends to do, despite what he said. What that means is Jews like you possess a clairvoyance that will guarantee there will never be peace with the Palestinians, and that Israel will continue to foment anti-US sentiment in the Middle East, continue to cause the frustration and failure of US foreign policy objectives in the ME, continue to mobilize Arab anger to support Al Qaeda and other radical groups, continue to limit the strength and depth of US partnerships with governments and people in the ME, and weaken the legitimacy of moderate regimes in the Arab world. Its time the international community declared Jews like you a menace to world peace, and take appropriate action, perhaps starting with boycotts, and sanctions

"How can you make up a word, and ask me to show you where in UNSC 242 that word is mentioned?"(Ron) Don't pretend to be dense Ron. I happen to know that you are an exceedingly clever person ... I did not make up any words. All I did was to respond to your claim that UN Resolution 242 requires Israel to withdraw. I pointed out to you that UN Res 242 does NOT require Israel to withdraw UN-CONDITIONALLY. It says that Israel has to withdraw to secure and recognised borders. So Israel has not withdrawn yet because the parties have not been successful in negotiating appropriate borders which would offer security . And therefore Israel cannot withdraw to RECOGNISED borders, can they, Ron?

"Khaled Meshal stated in 2009 that Hamas would accept the creation of a Palestinian state based on 1967 borders"(Ron) Let's complete your sentence ... As a first step. And then proceed to foght a war against the Jewish state till they will achieve their aim of destroying it. Even if it would take them tens of generations to achieve that. So why should Israel cooperate with people like that? All Hamas wants to do is to fight against the existence of the Jewish state. OK then, Israel will fight them on Israel's terms NOT on Hamas's terms...

How can you make up a word, and ask me to show you where in UNSC 242 that word is mentioned? I didn't say it was. If so, so what? what's your point. UN 242 does not say that Israel has to "withdraw to secure and recognized borders." The inclusion of those words in the resolution is not related to the demand for "withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict." The resolution demands nothing from the Palestinians. They had no part of the resolution to fulfill. Palestinians did not, and do, not have a state to comply with, "acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every state." If they did, Israel would be in violation of that also. Khaled Meshal stated in 2009 that Hamas would accept the creation of a Palestinian state based on 1967 borders.

... unconditionally. You cannot Ron, and you know it because it isn't there. Resolution 242 clearly states that Israel has to withdraw to secure and recognised borders. And what that means is that such borders are to be negotiated because what people like you and Arabs claim are secure borders are only your opinions. By the way, Hamas is not willing to recognise ANY borders of a state for the Jewish people, Israel. That's why Israel has NOT withdrawn yet. Because the Palestinian Arabs have not fulfilled THEIR part of the resolution ... "The operative part is, "Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the the recent conflict." It is the violation of this part of 242 that puts Israel in violation of international law"

You are right. I am wrong, UNSC 242 does not declare Israel in violation of international law, and you quote it accurately. And I despise the dissemination of false information. What sloppy writing. But you did not quote that part of the resolution of which Israel is in violation. The operative part is, "Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the the recent conflict." It is the violation of this part of 242 that puts Israel in violation of international law, not the resolution itself. You have a new friend, Josh. You should hang on to him, he seems like a superb source.

The state of the US is not relevant to US Israeli relations, nor is the fact that the USA is 172 years older than the State of Israel. The US is not telling Israel how to deal with its problems, it is telling Israel that if it doesn't deal with its problems it will pay the consequences. Israel is a rogue state, and is to blame for nothing less than damaging the standing of the US in the Middle East and the Muslim world. The settlers are Israel's problem not the US, because the settlements are in violation of UN resolutions and the 4th Geneva Convention. Violations of articles of the Convention are war crimes. The US doesn't own Israel but without US support over the last 60 years, Israel would not have survived. If enough Jews like you want the US to end its support, you would be amazed how quickly the US would agree. But without the US veto in the UNSC, Israel would be dragged before the ICC in the Hague for war crimes charges so fast, that Jews will forget about the settlements.

Because Tim R.this so-called ron is none other than "An Arab/Muslim called: SAMI JAMIL JADALLAH Saw his writings on another web site's bloggs.

"UNSC 242, declared the current Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory is a violation of international law"(Ron) Either you are lying about UNSC 242, or you know nothing of the subject. The resolution says NOTHING about Israel violating international law. Here is what it does say though: "Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force"(From UNSC 242) http://peacebuffs.com/index.php?page=text-of-un-resolution-242 Note the words: S-E-C-U-R-E and R-E-C-O-G-N-I-Z-E-D boundaries. That's one of the things they have been negotiating for years. Are you saying that Hamas has been willing to oblige on that score? Now your turn Ron: Just give us a link to the text of Resolution 242 in which says that "the current Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory is a violation of international law" And if you can't then you better apologize to everyone for misleading them! Have you got it in you, to A-P-O-L-G-I-Z-E when you are wrong ....? We will see ...

"UNSC 242, declared the current Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory is a violation of international law"(Ron) Either you are lying about UNSC 242, or you know nothing of the subject. The resolution says NOTHING about Israel violating international law. Here is what it does say though: "Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force"(From UNSC 242) http://peacebuffs.com/index.php?page=text-of-un-resolution-242 Note the words: S-E-C-U-R-E and R-E-C-O-G-N-I-Z-E-D boundaries. That's one of the things they have been negotiating for years. Are you saying that Hamas has been willing to oblige on that score? Now your turn Ron: Just give us a link to the text of Resolution 242 in which says that "the current Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory is a violation of international law" And if you can't then you better apologize to everyone for misleading them! Have you got it in you, to A-P-O-L-G-I-Z-E when you are wrong ....? We will see ...

Either you are lying about Saudi Arabia, or you know nothing of the subject. Saudi Arabia is not a sponsor of radical Islamic terrorism: Just the opposite. They had nothing to do with 9/11, anymore than the US sponsored Timothy McVeigh. The most effective US allies in war against radical Islamic terrorism are countries like Saudi Arabia along with Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait and the Gulf states. They provide the US superb intelligence and military support. Jordan is one of the most effective services in the world against Al Qaeda. Recently, over a 4-day period, the Saudis killed 15 members of Al Qaeda, and they have over 200 in prison. Just this week the Saudis announced the arrest of 100 suspected terrorists. It is also supporting Yemen with air strikes against Al Qaeda. Israel is not involved in this fight. It considers Hamas and Hezbollah its primary terrorist targets, but they are not international terrorist organizations. How many Al Qaeda members has Israel killed and imprisoned?

...no country should. A fourteenjustice panel at the Hague unanimously ruled in 2004 Israel expansion in the Palestinian territories must be dismantled and 'void" -thus Obama should boot Netanyahu out of the Whitehouse and cut off his aid instead of wining and dining him..... This is all wrong and it is what many Americans have asked him also and if Obama doesn't deliver they will be protesting in the streets and outside Israeli and Zionist institutions as a result... This lawlessness must end and the EU and UN should do their part before they are picking up the pieces on their streets , also. Dutch

Exactly what they should do. By the way Omid,Medinejad named his special rocket(or whatever it was)As Omid,who's meaning of course you know it is HOPE. Wondered how you felt on hearing this.I bet it infuriated you somewhat. By the way,I am told by a wealthy Iraqi that those Saudi Kings and their entourage cannot speak correct arabic--very ignorant and backward which comes as no surprise.For they worry not on such bagatelle,relying on their their God THE OIL that covers their lack of knowledge in all spheres. Instead of demonizing and ordering Israel via its great friend Obama should begin to ameliorate their outmoded 7th century mind boggling behaviour. Will not say more,for you have amplified it all with due reference. Have a good day Omid

Thanks again and hope you receive this. G*D bless you,G*D Bless Our ISRAEL/Jerusalem.

You are right: In Genesis 15: 18-21 God said as you quote. But he also said in Judges 2:21-23, IN THE FUTURE I WILL NOT EVICT ANY OF THE NATIONS THAT JOSHUA LEFT IN THE LAND WHEN HE DIED. Since you know that the Jebusites, who built Jerusalem, and by many historians and scholars are considered the forebears of the Palestinians, were there when God said that, God made it quite clear that Jews cannot claim all of Palestine. It follows that Jews have no legal title to any land outside the borders specifically detailed in UN resolution181, when Israel declared statehood. UNSC 242, declared the current Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory is a violation of international law. And, Jewish religious beliefs do not supersede international law. If international law had to conform to the beliefs of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Shintoism etc., there would be no international law.

# 121 Hadassah. Also widly knowm as Esther the Queen ! This is my 2nd attempt in wishing you a very happy, Chag Pesach Sameach. TT/I

Which is in quite a bad shape,no matter how they try to cover it up. And leave Israel alone.gee,to think a country called America is only under 300 years old. And here comes chicken head America ordering THE OLD JEWISH PEOPLE/COUNTRY ISRAERL how they should or not deal with their problems. I SAY TO BHO buggar off.You don't OWE MY COUNTRY. If BHO is fighting our settlers,shows how WEAK HE REALLY IS.

When I was watching the TV hearing that 78% of American Jews voted for Obama!Same as the Mexicans.The latter is for good reasons. But what prompted the American Jews to vote in such great numbers for Obarmi & the dhimmicrats?

i.e Because of the speech impediment of OUR DEAR MOSES instead of "saying" go forth to WEST he said down to the ME..i.e Land of MILK AND HONEY. It turned out he took the WRONG ROAD. And now we are suffering from its consequences? However,IT WAS MEANT TO BE. And we are still happy nevertheless.

Cippora is correct. The law is clear, borders to be drawn to uplift those tend to the land that was desert... too bad we lost Gush Katiff. That was such an example of what was once a desert... and quickly becoming one again without gentle heart of rightful owner looking over.

Finally someone that can see.

Avi your are so right. You are a wise Man

"kafir" is an arabic word meaning non-beliver, infidel.

"mark Obama`s words: the US is going to stand with whomever takes the steps and risks necessary for peace - not for war"(EE) Show me where the Palestinian Arabs are taking risks for peace. They were offered very generous peace terms by both Ehud Barak and Ehud Olmert but they NEVER agreed to make peace. All they do is make more demands and set pre-conditions even to negotiate. Do you call trying to dictate terms as "risks necessary for peace"? That's what the Palestinian Arabs are trying to do but Obama blames Israel. Sick!

would that be Hagar the Horrible? you arr going to (Pol) pot

Guess this means you're ready to give back Texas and California? Oh wait, ALL of the US to the native americans? Difference being that a) it's historically jewish land, b) the land was won in DEFENSE aand c) the Palestinians still call for the total extermination of the jewish state.

No doubt, the U.S. commitment to Israeli security is crystal clear... and there is a special relationship to preserve. But I bet... Obama took the time to tell Netanyahu that Washington will no longer tolerate Israeli policy on settlements, occupation of the West Bank or the Gaza siege. That these are self-defeating policies. And in the long run... not pursuing negotiation vigorously and a two state solution is a short-sighted approach. Trying to alter the situation on the ground isn't logical or prudent. The time has come for Israel to make a choice. Preserve it's democratic character and Jewish principles. Or jeopardize its standing with the world community and its most important ally... the United States.

This confrontation has been just beneath the surface since Israel unilaterally "annexed" East Jerusalem. No American government has recognized that move, and no Israeli government has renounced it. The fact of the matter is if there is ever to be an agreement with the Palestinians, Jerusalem needs to be part of the deal, and each new "fact on the ground" is intended to deny that reality. If the US is to broker a deal, it can't do it without a freeze.

It is a very interesting issue for study: pre conditions for negotiations. Israel shall please palestinians to negotiate??!!! Someone may ask why it is necessary negotiations at all??? This is absolutely clear logical absurd!!!

Having seen thousands of politicians and diplomats come and go, I can say without hesitation that George Mitchell is one of the smartest and fairest the US has ever produced in the last 50 years. I don't think he is capable of unfairness. Mitchell, more than anyone else, brought peace to the bloodbath of Northern Ireland. How? Because he's f***ing brilliant and he does not take sides. Ever. Period. Let me just put it very plainly: Talk to Mitchell. He'll listen. But at the end of the day, if you want a solution, just do what he recommends. If you want war forever, have it your way. But mark Obama's words: the US is going to stand with whomever takes the steps and risks necessary for peace - not for war.

Bibi's swagger is bogus. He talks tough, but only bc he's got a tight grip on AIPAC's apron strings. Obama, on the other hand, can afford to be cool bc he's the man. Obama rocks!

than Louis Fried has in his entire pinhead. Obama's approach is slow but steady. He clears his obstacles one by one- Clinton, McCain, the GOP. Next up is Bibi. Hee hee.

A SA racial slur kaffir. I wonder where that came from. They probably dont allow k...s either...

hate control.

Bibi, The vast majority of sane and real Zionists are backing you up. Don't back down to the pressure put on by Obama,help this enemy of Israel show his true colors. The majority of congressmen and senators as well as the average Americans are with israel.

...they are all designed in Israel now in Intel's thriving Israeli development center--maybe Israel will agree to a swop--the Intel Inside revenues now going to the US for the 4 or so billion dollars (that also goes to the US as military suppliers).

This is going to hurt Israel long term image with the american people... they will listen to Obama first... and they more Obama more thna the israelis... it is true, bibi is arrogant...

Obama has apologized for many things he considers transgressions of America. Now, Mr Obama owes Israel an apology for demanding that the Jewish state 'demonstrate its goodwill' toward the peace process. An incredible insult to Israel and complete rubbish, especially considering the list of 'good faith gestures' by the Palestinians in the last 60 years. As a free people and the only democracy in the Middle East, I encourage you to continue to choose to build your society where ever you see fit. A right of the citizens of any sovereign state.

Saudi Arabia is the Chief Sponsor of Islamist-Jihadist terrorism around the world. Saudi Islamist-Jihadist terrorists attacked America and murdered 3000 Americans in cold blood on 9/11. America and Israel should say to Hell with Saudi Arabia!

Bibi and Barak are trying to jump like poodles for Obama. Screw the US 3 B aid, jews can come up with this, just give less charity to others and more to jews. Take a lesson from Begin confrontation with Reagan.

And are pulling every trick in the book to do so, but they are uniting us more and more behind Netanyahu. May he be strong with resolve and determination. Otherwise Obama will wipe the floor with us, salami style.

Do jews want US to push them into auswchitz like Chamberlain? Obama admin has set themselves up as schoolteachers to the jews. Get rid of US ties and sell to Chinna, Russia, India,. US abandons many allies.Global sanctions supported by Obama may be used to cripple Israel and existentially endanger her. In this scenario Israel needs bold measures. Seizing Saudi oilfields as reparations for terror financing will: render Israel energy self sufficient; reduce funds from Saudi to Global terror;provide capital for massive military development; allow Israel to exert indirect influence over allies and overtly hostile countries; provide massive Saudi land areas to transfer the increasing 5th column back to their origins. The fields are run by foreigners; Israel can form new alliances based only on interests; China, Russia, even Iran[remember Yalta]can be appeased by allowing them hegemony over arab enemies. Who will attack: the west cant even handle Iraq and Afghanistan?

Should reckon that if the message is worth telling it does not need shouting. THREE CHEERS FOR LESS SHOUTING!!!

...sounds like he comes from Milwaukee. The beer capital. P.S for beerhead. T.A is the home of Peace Now don't you know?

Beating the crap out of yet another ally. At this rate America's only friends will be the fascist, racist dictatorships in the Middle and Far East. And then we'll see what kind of "friends" they are. Good move. Keep going.

Shut your poisonous xenophobic mouths, Saudis. I can't wait until the era of fossil fuels ends.

I would worry about my very low GDP per-capita, which dropped from USD 29,000 in the 1980s (in 1980s dollars, meaning it's going to be higher in today's dollar terms) to something like 5-6000 USD in 2009 dollars. I would worry about the constant arrogance of the ruling elite who oppress women and minorities every opportunity they have. I would worry about the scary-looking imams who appear on TV and make a mockery of the entire country with their pernicious yet ludicrous "fatwas". I would worry about the future- high unemployment, unstable demographic patterns, failure to diversify economically, and antiquated political systems infected by Islam. Stop spewing non-sense about "arrogant" Israel and do something to address your "arrogant" refusal to confront your own problems. PS. I'm sure Israeli Arabs have more rights than Saudi Camels, which in turn have more rights than Saudi Men and Women. I'm sure most self-respecting organisms would rather be Israeli than Saudi...food 4 thought

Healthcare reform was moribund in January when Obama decided to lay everything on the line and get the U.S. House to pass the Senate's bill. He was passionately engaged, and he didn't stop until he won. If Obama becomes just as passionately engaged in Middle East peace, Netenyahu and Yishai better watch out. Middle East peace is incompatible with exclusive Jewish sovreignty over all of East Jerusalem and its suburbs. There is room on the Israeli side and the Palastinian side for reasonable and practical accomodation, and it is Israel's religious right that is standing in the way. Obama will keep increasing the pressure until the right wing sees that their position is untenable. Then they will either cave or be cast aside by the Israeli electorate. Oddly enough, Netenyahu is in a good position to extract maximum practical accomodation on Jerusalem right now. When the right wing crashes and burns, the Palastinains will move the goal post.

Never in my life have I voted Repugnantican. But suddenly I find I will be forced by Obama and his administrations clear unwillingness to support Israel to vote for a party I normally detest. I can not in good concience as an American vote for Obama or his cronies again.

The global consensus is that the land taken in the 1967 war should not be built upon while ownership is in question, and Israel is in violation of UN law by doing so. Wait until a 2 state solution before building - that is all the world is asking. Israel's government needs to recognize that its actions are alienating its friends, and are not becoming of a true participant in the global community. Moreover, all this rhetoric that taking issue with the actions of the state of Israel is somehow anti-semitic is childish. If Israel's government wants to continue down its current path, I believe the state of Israel will lose many friends, including me.

"Please can ANYONE list The GOODWILL Measures made by the PLO Organisations or goverment???" - Avraham The BIG demand made by the USA of the PA is that it suppress terrorist attacks on Israel from the regions it controls, and that it maintain order. It has done both despite the persistent provocations by the Netanyahu government.

But I wouldn't degrade it by calling it: 'Onward Christian Soldiers' Not them the Wahabi criminals. And yes let us say: THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL!!!

Dumping on, gratuitously humiliating, and generally exhibiting total contempt for the current US administration was lots of fun for the Gang of Four (Netanyahu, Lieberman, Yishai and Barak). Now it seems they have to figure out what to do having totally discredited themselves as well as having made themselves personal enemies of the US administration. Worse, they have generally alienated Americans with their antics. Americans may not be ready to turn on Israel but they are getting a bit pissed at the constant humiliating actions of Israel's ruling clique.

This is not a land-for -peace question as Clinton put it at the AIPAC meeting. Before the '67 war and before the West Bank, the Golan and Gaza were conquered, in other words when the Pals still had these lands, why did they still fight to destroy Israel? Why didn't the Pals request building a country in those territories prior to 1967? If this were just a question of a country for the Pals the '67 war would not have happened in the first place. They already had the lands to build their country. Clinton is a smart lady, but unfortunately she is under the authority of his boss who has a questionable and as far as Israel is concerned very dangerous vision of the Middle East.

I bet my last $$ that they arnt such big deal "taxpayers".... "As an American Taxpayer"

Once again, the Obama administration is bungling its foreign policy, e.g. by not even blaming the pals publicly for wanting to name one of the Ramallah squares after a suicide bomber who killed 35 Israeli civilians.With their inept approach, the US simply encourage the pals not to make any concessions at all and the pals just have to wait for the US to put pressure on Israel.I can assure you that this will backfire, since the real and most pressing issue in the Middle East is Iran's nuclear program. As long as Iran can build its nuclear bomb, Iran's proxies, i.e. Syria, hamas and hizbollah will continue to sabotage any peace process in the Middle East.Secretly, even the Saudis would agree with this.

development in israel is taking place because israel is prosperous. obummer is upset that the u.s. has a net loss of housing and commercial. bibi should invite obummer to israel to see how the arabs are crowding out israelis. unfortunately talking to the white house or black house in this case is a complete waste of time. bibi should go home and tell israel that they will wait for regime change in the u.s., because the present dictator is not worth wasting time on.

the americans woulsd love israel if it weren't for jews in america and israel who criticize it. as we say every Hag "Mipnei Hataeinu Galinu Me'Artzeinu" -- "Because of our sins we are exiled from our land" Hag Sameach!!

...sounds like he comes from Milwaukee. The beer capital an' all. P.S for beerhead. T.A is the home of Peace Now don't you know?

If your message is worth reading it doesn't have to be written in bold type. THREE CHEERS FOR LESS SHOUTING!

Obama knows perfectly well that, as long as the palestinians' will to destroy Israel is stronger than their will to create their own state, the pals will never get an independent state.Obama also knows that Abbas has no control.It's not for nothing that Abbas is nick-named the Rais of Ramallah.As long as hamas has control over Gaza and continues to undermine the PA, no real peace is possible.Peace in the Middle East is only possible when Iran`s nuclear program will be destroyed. Obama knows this too, only he doesn't want to pay the price.Obama only expects Israel to make one-sided concessions and getting nothing in return.With allies like Obama, Mitchell and Clinton, Israel needs no enemies.

Israel has clearly recognised international borders on all 4 sides. They are those drawn on the UN's 1947 map. That is the only sovereign Israeli territory in the world and the only agreed borders. Even Israel has not tried to claim sovereignty to the east of that, not even over Beersheba, towns in the triangle and in the north that are shown as part of modern Israel on the maps! Israel MAY get the additional land up to the Green Line - but ONLY if the PA, as the high civil power in Palestine, consents formally to a change in its mandated borders. There is no other way the land can legally transfer to Israel, hence all the pressure on Abbas to have talks where only Israel has preconditions. Cipora endearingly always get hold of the wrong end of the stick and buys each nonsensical Zio claim. M Valentine I thought would know better. The thing is Cipora, if Israel wants to own the car, it has to pay the salesman first, it can't just drive it away and claim eternal ownership!

"'How come no-one got upset when Jordan - the previous `occupying power` - built on the West Bank during 1948-67?' Was Israel disputing the land before 1967?" Actually, Jordan formally annexed the WB and EJ in 1950 - an annexation which was recognised only by the UK (and only de facto in the case of EJ). No other nation recognised it. To add insult to injury, Jordan rammed Jordanian citizenship down the throats of the Palestinians living within the annexation, who woke that fine morning only to find their nationality taken from them (in violation of UNGAR 181) and their affairs conducted from Amman. So - yes, there was (or should have been) a matter of dispute, and an illegality perpetrated, in 1950 - yes, the world remained silent - and yes, it is now acting hypocritically toward Israel. As are you. MV

The Israeli government and the Israeli people do not understand yet what is happening. The US government has started its new "changed" Middle East policy! Israel has obstructed peace in the Middle East for decades now. Obama/Clinton do not accept this any longer. According to the Thomas Stauffer report the Israel-Palestine conflict has cost the American taxpayers $3 Trillion since 1973 and Israel is continuing to use these monies to obstruct peace in the region. Why would the US finance the ME-conflict any longer? It is not in their interest. Obama/Clinton want to have good relations with the Islam/Arab world and are willing to sacrifice Israel. It is plain stupid of Netanyahu/Lieberman not to understand this up until this very day. They think they are smart to ignore and embarrass the US...They miscalculated! The US will decrease its financial support to Israel rapidly and military support will not be unconditionally anymore. Good Luck!

I have been a keen observer for yrs on this one-sided relationship. For too long America has stood by and defended Israel actions to the world with blind loyalty. With the sacrifises this country has made for our fav. alley, are we never to disagree? Should politicians always be in fear of being called an anti-semite due to disagreements..I can only hope the President truly show this arrogant city the size of New York, who indeed runs the show...

HE TOOK WRONG TURN AND iSRAEL DOES NOT HAVE THE OIL

# 115 Avraham, "Can anyone list the Goodwill Measures made by the PLO" There is no list. Today like yesterday they only cry & cring,a total failure in every respect. But today they have Barak HUssein Obama goading them on to the usual Mantra of only, Gimmie ! Gimmie!

Can you please justify why Palestinians have to get a permit to build from their occupier in virtually all of the west bank?For years they have to wait 6 to 9 months for an answer and thousands of times it has been no.They needed to build as the family grew,or the oldest son brought his new wife home as is the custom.I suppose you approve that more than 20,000 homes have been bulldozed in the west bank since 1967 for no permit,to make room for jews only roads,and for military confiscation.I only hope the same for the land thieves kown as settlers.What a romantic name for a bunch of barbarians.

Israel cannot continue to flaunt international standards and opinion and continue to ursurp Palestinian lands and build more housing. that jeoprodizes the future and any reasonable acommodation towards peace. fear, egotism, and a blindness to the feelings of the Arabs and the world are a formula for a major tragedy rivaling the Holocaust..

Of the bulge big time.Hey was the last time you visited your terrorists in Kopenhagen? Obama has no connection to Denmark. You shout like a child,how old are you? Have you finished first grade yet? Back to school with you ignorant/ranting hypocrite.

# 109 Hadassah, Also called Esther the Queen of Ancient Persia who together with her king ruled over Two & Seventy countries,from India to Kush.! Let all those who dare belittle Israel in any form or shape,bow down as low as Obama bowed down to that desert 'king' Abdallah ! And this Queen. I also had the pleasure of meeting her,Purim Time. Ah! Those were the days when Israel's enemies,were made short shrift of. Now we've come a full circle and, I wish you a very happy: Pesach Chag Sameach.

Obama the Muslim showed his hand early in his term. Despite his health victory, the US is continues to be a troubled nation, and is weak against its enemies who sneer at it. Israel will survive and be victorious, so do not despair. The naive American Jews are seeing the light and will correct their allegience. Obama is no friend of Israel and the anti-Israel gang take their cue from him ('read by lips') despite his false assurances to Israel.

was that Hagar the Horrible...... whats you poin here. all very confusing I think you have gone to pot (pol)

the west bank is disputed lands. 1) West bank can't legally be occupied it was never a sovereign country. It was part of Jordan that lost the land. About 15 years ago Jordan gave up claims to the "West Bank". 2) An example of colonization is Canada was a colony of England. the British sent soldiers a couple thousand of miles to acquire new lands for an empire. However, Israel at certain locations is 3 miles from the west bank. in addition, Judea,Samaria and Israel have families and children living there. There is no "Empire". Judea and Samaria were not settled for natural resources it was settled after Israel was attacked and defeated its enemies. jews live their because it is our historic homeland. Prior to 1948, In countless countries jews were told you don't belong in our country go back to your land. Now that we are returning the world now says the same anti jewishstatement get out of Israel. Enough of this perversion of history and morality.

oh and Iran is becomming accepted. therefore, by your logic the President of Iran must be a peace loving, humane person?! Looking to others to define who you are; is a receipe for disaster.

What about the Palestinians on the test of trust.Are they excluded in this. Are they really for peace! I have my doubts. The onus can not be at Israel's door only

Please can ANYONE list The GOODWILL Measures made by the PLO Organisations or goverment???

has a point. I am glad I can agree with her on something. # 99.

-ns . Churches and Synagogues should be built next to the Grand Mosque there ME Peace Talks should also encompass this issue.

'Onward Christian Soldiers'. THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL!!!

from its zionist control

its zionist control.

The Saudis are talking. I think its just for PR and public consumption. They can't just let the Iranian pull the rest of the Middle East carpet (the street)from under their feet.

I used to support Israel 100%. But the aggressive land and other policies of the last decades are self-destructive to Israel in the long run and insulting to the US. The US has given Israel over $ 100 billion just over the last 30 years. You don't need it, you don't appreciate it, you make things worse because of your [typical] right wing extremist governments. I'm joining other Americans to demand no more money for a country that does not need it and spits in our face!

he is not even a nebish. that is why i ignore him completely. chage pesach sameach to you and to your entire family in the uk and in israel. shalom and blessings. cipora

My massage to entire Moslem nation special to Sonnies it is time to give up your hates and your old ideologies against State of Israel, I assure the entire Moslem nation that the Israel will never going to give up inch of the Jerusalem and W.B even if will take to the end of the world, but there is no doubt that the Israel will give freedom to other religion to visit to their hollies plaices in State of Israel, Israel is not Serbia Israel is enough strong to defend her rights and the entire Moslem nation dose not have any chance to defeat State of Israel, it is time for Sonnies nation that will thinks about their real enemy and she is Iran and not Israel .

With Ban( UN), Britain, Australia, USA, the Arab World, Europe - all lashing against Israel for this or that, while the Palestinians get half a billion help from UNWRA and more from UN, USA, EU, - and why ? because the unfortunate childish irresponsible Palestinians who blow themselves up & bombard the boundaries of Israel from Gaza - they must not be blamed, they R like children who must be given money & sweets & retalin while ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS FEED A CAT (yes, that`s in the Koran - by the Prophet himself) - so when this world war is waged on my small country under the guise of truth but hypocrisy , when Gaza declares openly the Hamas Covenant that declares Israel must be destroyed, when our Prisoner Gilead is held without any Red Cross visitors - under such conditions when all the Goliathes are surrounding little David - what can I say ? you are right. of course you are right, U win by money, might and hatred! The Palestinians deserve everything- their honor must be protected,by the world from the arrogant Jews. There used to be 450000 refugees in 1948 ande now there are ten million Pals in the world (internet). there used to be 14 million Jews after the holocaust and now there are only 13. Forgive us for the air we breath. No demography for the Jews, no. Only for the Palestinians. I am old. I hope in forty years when there is no more oil that circumstances will touch you too."

I am Queen Esther,also called Hadassah. Anyone who uses my Name for Multifarious purposes will be doomed to hell. So,do not take my BLESSED name and use it for hate against my people,and Jerusalem. Remember I will am watching you.

The Esther that claims to be in TA is unlikely to be in TA also. At least she doesn't sound like any Jewish chick I ever read.

You can't exist without the welfare check.

If so, it's a bad one.

How is it Zionism expansive as you claoim to be? So far what we have in hand is Israel (In your minbd the Zionist state) pulled out of Lebanon, Gaza and oil rich Sinai since 1967 and yet you call it expansive.! Doyou really know the meaning of the word? It menas getting bigger not getting smaller as Isarel did by pulling out of Sinai to make peace with Egypt.

Cipora eloquently hits the nail on the head. To add insult to the Saudi respect for women, err oops thats right women are treated worse than dogs there..At least dogs are not forced to cover up entirely when permitted to walk outside. thats right they are not even allowed to drive ,vote,& show public affection without getting corporal punishment or worse. Any Jews, Christians, Hindus etc in their govt? NO, NO NO. Imagine that folks.Any Temples , Churches, synagogues? well I hope you all get my snide ,cynical points. God bless freedom of speech here in America. oops there i go again.

What else would you expect from a man named Halfaflush?

Perhaps you haven't heard- God did not write the Bible.

As an American taxpayer I feel disgusted and ashamed that our hard earned money is given away to this rogue state AKA "Israel". More and more it is becoming apparent that Israel should be sanctioned and isolated to fend for themselves. Their actions and behavior is that of a spoiled child in need of a spanking and some good ol fashioned whacking. Israel is far from being a true democracy, it's actions are that of a backward 3rd world regime.

Don't think nobody knows what tahrir stands for: Litterally it means to liberate, but politically it means to propagate the caliphate You mean that peace with israel is possible only when Arabs would recognize Israels existence and that peace would benefit the caliphate

We want to build only in Jerusalem. Is this clear enough?

TO NO 34 CIPORA I LOVE YOU. FROM YOUR FRIEND DANNY.

There is an absence of good faith on the part of Netanyahu. His coalition is his constituency and receives his total loyalty. Its elements of zealotry blind Netanyahu to effective peace with justice. Gestures are empty when they are encapsulated by phrases that deny Palestinians an independent, contiguous, viable homeland. Netanyahu still sees East Jerusalem as Israel's private domain. He continues to assure settlers that there confiscated Palestinian land will remain part of Israel. He asserts a need to maintain an IDF presence within a new Palestine. Empty gestures and arrogant resistance to USA overtures will not bring peace.

... Saudi Arabia, whose population except for the petrol-rich tribes associated with the House of Saud, are as dirt poor as Mauritania. Who amputates hand and heads with gleeful abandon. Who mutilates the genitals of young girls, and stones them to death if they are victims of rape. Who has never bothered to try any form of democracy or multiculturalism, forbidding any religion save for Islam. Who sent their finest heroes to the USA for the attack of 9-11. Who, but for the geological freak of nature putting vast wealth (for a select few) under their feet, has never learned how to manufacture anything of sufficient quality to trade on the world market, and would not stand a chance of recognition in the modern world. Comes now Saudi Arabia of all people, to call someone else "arrogant"? Wow.

Saudis, who were behind the nine eleven attacks, and who finance extremist mosques and madrassas, need to clean their own houses. Where does Al Qaeda get its money to spend on their terror activities? Why does Saudi have dark ages like laws and customs, including child sexual slavery, mutilations, beheading, floggings? Saudi Arabia is really in no position to lecture anyone in the entire world. Get your own house in order. Open up your totalitarian theocracy which does not even allow visits by kaffirs to mecca and meddina.

Tony,if you were confused by the "fake Esther",then you are easily fooled,lol.. The "fake Esther" clearly states that she is from somewhere other than Tel Aviv,lol Is it possible that there are two Esther s in this world? Too funny..

That's exactly what Netanyahu has already said: "With America's help, Israel has grown to be a powerful, modern state...But I believe there can be no greater tribute to America's long-standing economic aid to Israel than for us to be able to say: we are going to achieve economic independence. We are going to do it. In the next four years, we will begin the long-term process of gradually reducing the level of your generous economic assistance to Israel". July 10, 1996, at a Joint Session of the United States Congress. Whatever happened to Mr. Netanyahu's courageous pledge to Congress? Congress never called in the pledge. I suggest AIPAC lobby this administration to honour Netanyahu's pledge to Congress...made 14 long years ago.

tony silver. You mean to say that you've made Allah an accomplice to murder. Every time the Arabs or Moslems kill People & especially children they Yell,"ALLAH AKBAR" meaning allah is great. Don't you understand. You little nitwit ! Now the time has come for that same Allah to exact a terrible punishment from all those who always shout, Allah AKBAR & kill. By the way" Allah is derived from the Hebrew: Eloah. You don't have to post your rubbish 6/7 times in one forum.

HELLO CIPORA. TONY SILVER IS A NEBBISHES A NO ONE AND A LOSER.

That's exactly what Netanyahu has already said: "With America's help, Israel has grown to be a powerful, modern state...But I believe there can be no greater tribute to America's long-standing economic aid to Israel than for us to be able to say: we are going to achieve economic independence. We are going to do it. In the next four years, we will begin the long-term process of gradually reducing the level of your generous economic assistance to Israel". July 10, 1996, at a Joint Session of the United States Congress. Whatever happened to Mr. Netanyahu's courageous pledge to Congress? Congress never called in the pledge. I suggest AIPAC lobby this administration to honour Netanyahu's pledge to Congress...made 14 long years ago.

From your mouth TO G*D's EARS! Bibi is doing GREAT and will continue thus. No retreating,and NO giving an INCH.

Meh.

I mean is there any criteria or is it just a personal thing you get to invent? I see your recommendations for Saudi Arabia and it seems to suggest, 'build the synagogues/churches and they will come', but wondered if it would not be more prudent to see if there are some Jews who would like to emigrate there before they build the synagogues?

the leaders in America do not understand that God gave the land to the Jews. He laid the boundaries out in Genesis. all countries need to recognize that the land given there belongs to them and no one else.

If you contend Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East, you are wrong. Turkey and Lebanon are democracies and have been so long before Israeli statehood. Jordan, Kuwait, Morocco and Dubai are Constitutional Monarchies modeled after the government of the UK. It is uncertain why this is important to you, because it says nothing about the practical ethics and morals actually practiced by these governments. Democracy or not, Israel is in violation of more UN resolutions than any country in the world. There is no other democracy oppressing over 3 million people in an illegal occupation. Saudi Arabia called for clarification of Israeli policies and insistence on defying international will. Why don't you address that, rather than attacking Saudi Arabia.

More than 50 Moslem countries in the world, only one Judean nation. NO!,they said to Israel! Attack,lose, attack again, lose again, again,and again and again... Reap what you've sewn sons of Ishmael.

That's exactly what Netanyahu has already said: "With America's help, Israel has grown to be a powerful, modern state...But I believe there can be no greater tribute to America's long-standing economic aid to Israel than for us to be able to say: we are going to achieve economic independence. We are going to do it. In the next four years, we will begin the long-term process of gradually reducing the level of your generous economic assistance to Israel". July 10, 1996, at a Joint Session of the United States Congress. Whatever happened to Mr. Netanyahu's courageous pledge to Congress? Congress never called in the pledge. I suggest AIPAC lobby this administration to honour Netanyahu's pledge to Congress...made 14 long years ago.

Posted: "...The US should earmark 25% of its aide to Israel for investment in Arab towns in Israel. Lands expropriated from Arabs in Israel must be given back to owners. Affirmative action must be implemented to remedy vestigaes of discrimination against Arab citizens of Israel." Very true, only one problem. Your foreign policies are dictated by the Jewish lobby in the USA and G-d forbid the American government will go against supporting the Jewish lobby and Israel, they would be regarded as anti-Semites. And besides that, American arms manufacturers make billions of dollars as long as the tensions in the Middle East grow because of Israel's continued occupation and the crimes Israel commits against the Palestinian people. We all know that the bottom line for America in every country the USA sets foot in, is the $$ sign, regardless of who gets killed in the process.

That's exactly what Netanyahu has already said: "With America's help, Israel has grown to be a powerful, modern state...But I believe there can be no greater tribute to America's long-standing economic aid to Israel than for us to be able to say: we are going to achieve economic independence. We are going to do it. In the next four years, we will begin the long-term process of gradually reducing the level of your generous economic assistance to Israel". July 10, 1996, at a Joint Session of the United States Congress. Whatever happened to Mr. Netanyahu's courageous pledge to Congress? Congress never called in the pledge. I suggest AIPAC lobby this administration to honour Netanyahu's pledge to Congress...made 14 long years ago.

Historically it is the occupying power that makes concessions: not the oppressed people. Did the French make concessions to the Nazis to leave France? Israel is no different than any other occupying power in history. The same as the French in Algeria and Vietnam, the British in Kenya and Cyprus, and the Germans in occupied Europe. So the world wonders what the Palestinians have to offer to Israel as concessions. Could they match the concessions Israel has proffered toward the peace process? The 90 day freeze on settlement building, while continuing to build 3,000 housing units in the West Bank, and to place Jerusalem off limits for any building limits? Continuing the harsh and humiliating occupation in the West Bank? Maintain the near genocidal blockade over Gaza and continue the annexation of Jerusalem: both in violation of the 4th Geneva Convention? Or perhaps the construction of the barrier wall, which the UN ICJ has declared illegal?

try that sarcasm for its real size !

Israelis would like nothing more than to be paid as much attention to as Togo and other small countries. It would be amazing if people with no lives trolled around Togo's news sites to constantly smash on Togo and tell them what they should do without knowing anything about their situation (I'm just saying, Colin...)

"Zionists are" Yes? what's your definition of a Zionist, and please no consulting Labras' Manual.

There is no way we can appease the unappeasable. All the concessions we've made are one-way. It's time to stop. Obama conducts Muslim prayers in the white house and is not to be trusted. He's not a friend!

"Israel need G^D". and they claim that G-d give them the orders to kill even innocent children! It is totally immoral.

it has peace and has it now. The most stupid are those who deceive themselves. Israelis do ! What will you do if Hisbullah starts bombing your cities with 'smarter' rockets? You will hit back and kill many civilians, which will increase the anger of Arabs and they will hit even harder. In a final analysis, Many Arabs will die, but most Israelis will run away or be killed. Israel will be wiped out as Mr Ahmadinajad predicts. The ONLY way out is to have peace now. I really see it as your last chance. You will not withstand damage. Any future conflict will many heavy damage to you that you cannot withstand (and heavier damage to Arabs that they CAN withstand). I hope some will get it before it is too late.

So some people are content that Israel behaves no better than Saudi Arabia. What low standards they have!

"The real boss of US is more Bibi than Obama, this everybody knows. AIPAC can even call obama names and still nobody can touch them." Stupid America needs to wake up and know who is its true enemy

"they are not blue and white". the colors of apatheid and greed!

"expansive Zionism" I like this word. zionists are grab and greed people

you are right. But did you see the other FAKE Esther who is trying to confuse us using your name?

you are right. But did you see the other FAKE Esther who is trying to confuse us using your name?

dont build in mecca or medina abdullah !!

now get out!!

islam needs to look in the mirror when it talks about arrogance and greed and intolerance. Muslim nations have their holy land and lots of land. Israel is a tiny sliver of land and holy to the Jewish people. When arabs want to talk about fairness to all religions then the world might listen. As of now their speech is dog poop filled with underlying hate for all, even themselves. It is not Israel who is arrogant. Israel is trying to survive amongst worldwide anti semetism AGAIN. And will take whatever measures needed to protect for its survival.

driving on public roads? Where the hands of thieves are lopped off? But the most hypocritical fact about Saudi Arabia is that, in secret, they're begging Israel to destroy Iran's nuclear program.All the Saudi laws are based on the Sharia, however primitive these rules are.There are no Jews in Saudi Arabia, since they are simply forbidden to set foot there.That's why the Saudis are the last people on Earth who can criticise Israel.One thing the Saudi know, though: should any country or organization try and destroy Israel, Mecca will immediately be destroyed.This is the only certainty in the Middle East.Like most of the arab/muslim countries, they try and deflect criticism on themselves, by blaming everything on Israel.This is also why the palestinians still have no state.This will remain the case, as long as the pals' will to destroy Israel is stronger than their will to create their own state.It's time to destroy radical islam, since it only foments violence and destroys human rights.

You can keep the money, and ask the world & the USA to mind their own business. Let us Jews and our first cousin Muslim to sort things. Keep out now............

When Golda Meir was heading the Jewish Agency and met King Abdullah in '48, a deal was made then so Israel could proclaim statehood with the boundries set forth by the UN Partition Plan which was very generous for 750k settlers. They didn't even have sovereignty over THAT area. When recognised by UN as a state, ethnic cleansing was increased. The game being played out, Borders Part Of Final Status favors the dominating player. There is no way Israel today will agree to the "border issue" with their future aspirations.

Petroleum demand is set to grow at an average rate of 1.5 percent to 27.93 million barrels per day (bpd) in 2025 from 20.45 million bpd in 2004, according to the US Energy Information Administration's long-term forecast. OPEC is expected to pump 55 million bpd of oil in 2025, 80 percent higher than the 31 million bpd it produced in 2003, the EIA said. Are USA, already in bankruptcy, ready for a new oil crisis and a new recession?

Saudi Arabia: Semi Nazi State. Have you all paid attention,that there isn't a single Church,or Synagogue in that vast country called,in the meantime Saudi Arabia ? Wake up ! And demand: One Mosque for one Church. One Mosque for one Synagogue. Until that happens,there won't be any Peace in the world. You get it ?

Before any peace discussion,Fatah,hisbolla,and all the terrorist organisations must be present in the same room with Israel,EU, United Nazi. Russia,USA, and before any discusions,the arabs must declare in arabic that they recognise the STATE OF ISRAEL as JEWISH AND JERUSALEM is the Capital of Israel forever.

Israel need G^D.

The arrogance has nothing to do with the strength. Most often it is the sign of the weakness, stubborness and the stupidity. The stronger ones can always afford to make compromises, which is the sign of the wisdom.

Considering that so many people are out of work, without any health care, dirt poor kids from the deep south going to fight endless wars in the ME. ENOUGH...Let the IDF do it's own dirty work for a change and hey good luck! start all your own wars and finish them yourself. Only, leave us out of it. We can use $ 3 Billion a year for a lot of things...

Saudi Arabia has more to worry about Iran than Israel. Israel is still the only democracy in the middle east so causes all these autocrats to be uncomfortable.

is as much part of Israel as Tel Aviv? You could fool me!

Amazing that some despot gets into a hissy fit & has the nerve to yell at Israel. The next time he has one of his temper tamtums, he should remember that the US is doing nothing to stop Iran.

for the potential danger it presents. That would make even critics of Israel happy too in the USA.

With a 5th column like you who needs enemies

The logic being that makes a better climate to talk (or appease) your enemies instead. Weakness will not be rewarded, that I am certain of.

Bravo,brilliant resumé.

I just hope something cmes out of this because history has shown that whenever relations are strained between ISrael and her allies that either :- Israels enemies kick up a fight somehwere, dragging more unrest into the region, or Israel starts something to distract from everything else. Either way they both avoid the peace route which the majority of both the West and Israelis actually want.

The truth is that Tel Aviv is as much part of Israel as Jerusalem, the capital. If you are Jewish, have a good Pesach holiday. Free Iran Now!!! Shalit home for Pesach.

that for the moment he cannot accede because of coalition concern. However towards the end of his term in office he will accede on ALL fronts.

But one thing is sure, Obama is afraid. The real boss of US is more Bibi than Obama, this everybody knows. AIPAC can even call obama names and still nobody can touch them.

In American politics (this is not my opinion but the opinion of many, including Richard Perle) not being nice enough to Israel is a political suicide. Now, the fact that Obama does not want settlements means nothing, Israelis will build the settlements and US will say nothing. Bibi knows this and uses this of course.

Hardly the heart of the matter. "How come no-one got upset when Jordan - the previous `occupying power` - built on the West Bank during 1948-67?" Was Israel disputing the land before 1967? "there is *no* internationally-recognised border between Israel and the West Bank!" There is only one country who thinks East Jerusalem is up for grabs, the other 191 think otherwise. Morris thinks that makes building there legitimate. The other nonsense about building by the 'Mediterranean' is as far from the heart of the matter as you can get Morris.

"That`s the problem: there is *no* internationally-recognised border between Israel and the West Bank!" M Valenstein Actually Morris old chap--the only recognised Borders that are recognised are those decl;ared by Israel in 1948. Every square metre outside that has been aquired illegally. Lay off the hooch Morris--it clouds your thinking.

It's high time for modern Israel to "neutralize" the religious right and the right wing settlers, who obviously don't want peace. Perhaps a coalition Likud-Kadima-Labor would be advisable.The world wants this conflict fairly solved.

Notice the small b?

"We must not be trapped by an illogical and unreasonable demands" Nethanyahu. If the Palestinians negotiators wish to make themselves blind & deaf; Israel will be the last on earth to make them change their minds ! In fact this must be the first priority of any 'mediator'. If the Palestinians didn't hear the truth from any previous P.M of Israel; Nethanyahu said all the facts & on many occasions, loud and clear ! Creating a vicious circle, the Palestinian negotiators must only blame themselves. And the mediators must also be blamed for not reminding the Palestinians of the facts ! As usual by avoiding the unavoidable; all negotiations ends up only stupid,repeatable & fruitless. Unless the purpose of the Palestinian negotiations is just to blame Israel! Face to face talking is urgently needed. And that must not be left for the Palestinians to decide, but for the mediators to tell the Palestinians either you talk face to face with Israel or we are washing our hands !

Osama, WHY should world powers GIVE YOU A STATE?? Why did you not take or want your State 50 years ago, in 1960 ? It certainly would have been easy to get your State from your Jordanian brothers, it was there for the asking. What have you accomplished all these years to deserve a State?? Have you demonstrated the desire to live in peace with your neighbors, when you can't even reconcile and rein in the thugs of Hamas. Why were the checkpoints and the Wall necessary, obviously the Palestinian behaviour necessitated this, AND IT WORKED, no more suicide bombings. Why do Settlements live as gated, guarded enclaves, while Palestinian villages live open and unguarded. Doesn't that show you who is the aggressor and who is the victim?? Again, why does the World need to intervene to hand you a State, we tried it in Gaza, the results were disaster, thousands of rockets. Why Osama ???

Who on this earth will now come to Israel's rescue?

Israel recently passed Canada as the foreign country with the most companies on the NASDAQ and is launching more high-tech companies than any country in Europe ( take a look at where outside the US Warren Buffet makes his uncommon investment of billions as well), so I hardly think dismissive references to smaller countries are in order.

Time to move Eastwards? I don't think Israel has anything (raw materials) that the folks in the East are looking for, sorry; unfortunately, not too many evangelical christians out there either. Israel is a great nation and an extremely valuable ally, but it needs to make some wise choices - like take the path a wise General like Yitzak Rabin had chosen.

whose economy is in decline whose political and military influence is being tested by iran syria north korea !and what is the obama's adminstration is trying to find is an ideal guilty to her decline ! obama is a weak president who is appeasing his ennemies and put pressure on his "ally" IF WE ARE STILL AN ALLY

Israelis, please note that your prime minister and his government are NOT welcome guests in the United States. We've endured enough insults, enough lies, and enough injury from the flawed institutions of zionism and want no more.

You should expect balance and a sense of integrity. If someone is a very dear friend to you, will you let them drive drunk in an ice storm just because they throw a tantrum and claim it is their car and life that is at stake not yours - HECK NO!!!

Obama isn't testing anyone else because noone else is playing Israels poker game since Israel has all the cards and is changing the rules of the game before any cards are dealt.

That the border Israel declared in 1948(it did by the way), within which the United Nations recognized it sovereignty and under which it was admitted to the United Nations soon thereafter, does NOT actually exist? Sorry Cipora, but it DOES exist, and it IS recognized. What the final status "agreement" is "likely" to do, is to change portions of it, with land exchanges, in order to accomodate some of Israel's larger land encroachments that lie along it. Israel and it's blind supporters are the ONLY ones who do not recognize it.

France cut military aid to Israel just before the Six Day War,in June 1967.This only spurred Israel to increasing self sufficiency in weapons development and technology. Thank you for that positive suggestion.

... in Israel... Obama is probably trying to change the moribund mid-set, or composition of the present Israeli regime... they made the mess, and they need to solve it...

"Pecae negotiations on hold" (Netanyahu). At least we can see which are in the first place. The peace or the building of the settlements?

netanyahu went to obama carrying an empty bag. he is returning home with his own empty bag. it was a foolish gambling. sadly, for him, and for those who support him.you don't give nothing you don't get nothing.

Pali's to start taking responsibility instead of planning a childish but dangerous game.

I wonder the title, because almost all the main tv-channels described that the receipt was "rather cold" . What is the truth and by whom?

chag sameach. try being less strident.

"The international community seems to have no problem recognizing that the Green Line will be the border of Israel, " Why do you spew so much BS, dopey? The international community recognizes that borders will be negotiated.

Peace shall not wait. The naive arguments made by Bibi about Pals demands and delaying the peace process are unreasonable. He doesn't want peace, so he should be out of it. How could any Pal negotiate with him while he's giving Okays for building settlements in what is supposed to be a Pal capital? Negotiate for what! Removing checkpoints! These are not to be there anyway. His policies are clear: he doesn't want peace, and he's causing troubles that require years of negotiations and thus delaying any results that could be an outcome of a peace process. World powers must intervene and pressure Israel to let Pals live in dignity and peace within their own state.

shalom. i agree fully. even if tzipi livni were in the government the situation would be basically the same. obama's willingness to push israel into a corner is dangerous. israel is not defenceless. any further deterioration of the relationship could lead to moves on both sides that would be harmful to both countries. i hope that bibi was able to withstand the enormous pressure. chag pesach sameach.

The "Back door-No photographs" treatment Bibi got from Obama shows how "friendly" is Obama towards Israel.Bibi should stop visiting his "Master Obama".

... dont't talk nonsense, one does not lose ones 'colors' for telling the truth...

Cipora, shalom. The problem here is simple. The PA are not willing to even sit down and parley. No doubt they have enough input from their new friends in the West. They simply want a total freeze in East Jerusalem and the West Bank. The wariness on the part of Israel is understandable. This can turn Israel into a different mood. That is, searching for alternatives. Which could well be dangerous. A Republican PM and a Democratic President. Both at loggerheads. Not to forget the all powerful right wing coalition. What we see, is an intention, by Washington, of regime change in Israel. Strange, how one democratic country can push its once closest democratic ally into a corner, dunce hat and all. Even if Tzipi Livni was part of the team, the same would have occurred. That is all part of the New World Order as envisaged by the gracious yet tough president. Have a nice day. Stephen.

I hope that good atmosphere in washington may reach to middle east. Coz it is urgently needed in Gaza, West bank, east jarusalem. not only in white House. People are fed up with dinner time good atmosphore, they expect real time good atmosphere...

I think it?s time for Israel to look eastwards (India & China etc.) for its future political and economic ties. It appears that with the current administration, America is sadly no longer a trusted friend, but rather a weak and confused country. Much like the UK?s Chamberlin government was in the 1930?s when they tried to appease Hitler, the USA is trying to do the same with radical rogue states like Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Libya etc.. Sad to see that the USA, once a mighty nation, appears to be in economic, political and influential decline!

"How come no-one got upset when Jordan - the previous `occupying power` - built on the West Bank during 1948-67?" -MV- Because the whole world saw the WB as Jordan at that time. Certainly not as Israeli, as is still today. You talk about lines and no borders but what do you choose? A viable Pal state in more/less 1967 borders, one-state and goodbye Jewish state, "transfer?". Either Pals get state, are driven away or take over Jewish state. What is your pick nowadays?

In the recent past (last 600 or so years) the Land was under non-Arab Turkish rule. In 1918 the Land was stolen from Turkey by the British and French who carved it up and sold off the pieces for profit.

What is illogical is colonizing the other lands while supposedly engaging in peace talks with them. That is unreasonable and illogical!! Wake up Israel!!

I hope the citizens of Israel will now understand they made a mistake with giving Bibi a second chance. Bibi it seems has failed to notice the change in the political landscape in the USA - Neocons and their haughty political views are on the retreat. Israel along with Bibi will learn.

After 62 years it is time for Israel to become independent. If this means that Israelis would not be able to buy a new car every two years and travel overseas once or twice a year, then that is a small price to pay. When Israel is respected as an independent country that puts its own interests first, as any other country does, the rest will fall in place.

the international community cannot recognise non-existing borders. morris is right that the old, defunct armistice lines between israel and jordan are not a recognised international border. the issue of borders is part of the final status negotiations between israel and the palestinians. borders can result only from bi-lateral negotiations between the parties.

they are not blue and white.

....from the White House. Actually it's absolutely incredible, an Israeli PM only allowed to enter the White House through the back door, no photos taken of both together, no flag ceremony, nothing... If there needed to be any more proof how serious the current rift between the United States and Israel is, then yesterdays tense meeting between Obama and Netanyahu surely said it all. When even your very best ally starts treating you like a "Pariah light", then you should understand, that you are in serious (diploma- tical) trouble. At least if the ideology of expansive Zionism hasn't totally destroyed your very last brain cells....

Morris wrote: "That`s the problem: there is *no* internationally-recognised border between Israel and the West Bank!" No problem at all - following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, Jerusalem was divided into two parts. In 42 years, Israel has signally failed to convince any other country or organisation worldwide to accept the annexation of East Jerusalem. Thus, the internationally recognised border of Israel in the Jerusalem area is the 1948 division. Easy!

... will go down well with this USA administration, nor with the world beyond...

... official Israel is drunk on what it mistakes as power...

nobady hee likes the shas or the haredi religious folk... however they breed like roaches and have a powerful faction in our government. we are your only friednds in this region... you really traust an arab? the refugees danced in the streets in 2001.. not us... we sent help.

its only illogical to a handful of israeli extremists ... The rest of the world including the quartet have endorsed the palestinian demands which is that building on occupied lands including east Jerusalem is ILLEGAL UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW .... PERIOD .

it is disingenuous to talk of "internationally recognised borders" when there are none on israel's eastern side. the attempt to treat the old armestice line between israel and jordan as a border prejudges final status talks. one of the final core issues is precisely that of border. the obama administration cannot substitute its pre-conceived notions for bi-laterally negotiated agreements.

Israel's crisis with the US/the world is far from over. You should not delude yourselves into thinking it is. Obama knows that he holds all the cards. He's a political infighter from Chicago, and while he isn't going to say or do anything hostile towards Israel, he is not going to give in on the point either because he's determined to see a peace accord. It's called "speaking softly, while carrying a big stick." Netanyahu talks tough while being completely dependent upon the US. This issue is far from over. The added recent insult to the UK demonstrates that it's only beginning.

A policy of discrimination and racism against Israeli Arabs continues. The US should earmark 25% of its aide to Israel for investment in Arab towns in Israel. Lands expropriated from Arabs in Israel must be given back to owners.Affirmative action must be implemented to remedy vestigaes of discrimination against Arab citizens of Israel.

AIPAC is being considered by the justice department and an agent of a foreign nation which means no more campaign contributions....and who will care in congress? nobody

MV: "That`s the problem: there is *no* internationally-recognised border between Israel and the West Bank!" The international community seems to have no problem recognizing that the Green Line will be the border of Israel, which is what makes all this "No! No! No, it's not, not really!!!!" sound as pathetic as it really is. MV: "Israel`s only internationally-recognised borders are those with Egypt and Jordan." Actually, if you look at both of those treaties you will see an identical disclaimer. MV: "So should Israel cease building west of the Green Line, as well as east of it?" The flaw in that argument: the prohibition on building relates to TERRITORY, it does not relate to BORDERS. So the answer is easy to work out i.e. if this is "occupied" territory then Israel can not build in it WHILE THIS REMAINS ISRAELI-OCCUPIED TERRITORY. Pretty simple, actually.....

May God Bless BiBi for standing firm on God's Holy Word. Thank God-Yahweh for men of integrity who do not sell their soul for a bowl of Esau stew- bow to Balaam.

I think Colin Wright you got it WRONG!

'Washington officials have also been irritated by Netanyahu's attempts to draw equivalency between building inside Israel's internationally recognized borders and in east Jerusalem.' That's the problem: there is *no* internationally-recognised border between Israel and the West Bank! Israel's only internationally-recognised borders are those with Egypt and Jordan. (The exact placement of the Israeli-Syrian border is still a matter of dispute.) The Green Line is an armistice line - an international border between Israel and a Palestinian state could be placed on it, east of it, west of it, or a combination of all three. So should Israel cease building west of the Green Line, as well as east of it? How far west? To the Mediterranean? (That would make a number of Talkbackers happy - the ones that hate Israel and have the nerve to say so regularly on an Israeli website.) How come no-one got upset when Jordan - the previous 'occupying power' - built on the West Bank during 1948-67?

The Israelis are testing the resolve of the American people. The Republican/Democratic divide is the battle line of choice. Now that Obama is a clear winner with the Health Care reform, it would be far easier to start cutting Israel aid all together. Now is the time.

It sounds like he more or less did just that. My preference would have been if he'd excused himself, saying he had to take a call from the president of Togo. 'We try to handle the concerns of all the smaller states on Tuesdays.' That might have got the point across.

Apparently, now Obama is going to test Bibi to see if he is serious about peace. I do not remember Obama testing Abbas, Assad, Hamas or Hizbullah to see if they were also serious about peace. Seems there is one special set of rules for Israel and other rules for everyone else. No wonder Obama and his foreign policy iniatives are so absurd.

now the ball is in Obama camp!

I saw unusual activities in a hotel and kept walking to the train. once in the train i played the memory back and i think Bibi was there or his secret services. this is not the issue i said to my self if i was sure he was there and i won't be tagged as a T-rr i would like to i imagine to walk in ask to meet Bibi and have a drink with him and smugle for him how the solution could be by respecting the International law the human one and stop building in east Jerusalem and make peace for ever. i didn't had that chance or didn't created it. maybe next time when he come back if he is still a PM and is not trying to be a DM or what ever regard peace with respect be human and pragmatic

I am sorry to say this but President Obama is clearly on the side of Hamas. We have seen it internally and abroad as Israel has. The Republican Party of the U.S. is sickened at the treatment the Democratic party has been to Israel. My distant ancestors were Austrian Jews and to see a president rebuke our strongest ally who's roots are deeper than any other roots of any ethnic race in America. Our President has embarrassed as well as our Sec. of State but elections are coming and we intend to change not only the nation, but the world.

Send someone Obama would be willing to do a photo op with next time! Also, adopting newspaper analogy, the White House is clearly front page, AIPAC relegated to somewhere in the back pages.

Bibi knows that he is dealing with a punch of spineless left wing clowns running a circus show. It is funny to see Iran bloodied their noses several times with a sucker punch.

We knew that this will be the outcome of Netanyahu's visit to the White House. It was a disaster. Israel will soon discover the power and determination of President Obama, who by the way has won a historical legislation against all odds. Well every one stay tunes. Netanyahu is finished and hanging in the air. America will show the worldwhat it means to be a superpower determined to protect its interests.

Misstep after misstep, the POTUS keeps stumbling and bumbling along.

there are reports he had to change his underpants

Good grief! The Jews have been kicked out of just about corner of the world. If we can't live in Jerusalem, our ancestral place, where can we live? It seems the world doesn't really want us anywhere.