Rabbi at terror victims' funeral: Jews want peace, evildoers seek to destroy us
Thousands attend funeral of four Israeli civilians killed in a shooting attack near Hebron Tuesday. Hamas has claimed responsibility.
By Chaim Levinson Tags: Israel terror Israel settlersThousands of people attended the funeral Wednesday of Yitzhak and Talya Ames, Kochava Even Chaim and Avishai Shindler, who were killed Tuesday evening in a terror attack near Hebron.
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Tali and Yitzhak Ames with five of their children |
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The four were shot dead in a car. The Islamist Palestinian organization Hamas has claimed responsibility for the attack.
The families and friends of the victims gathered around the bodies at the synagogue in the settlement of Beit Hagai to pay their final respects. "I promise to raise my family and my siblings. I promise that we will all remain together. We’ll get through this. I'm sorry that I didn't spend enough time with you," said the Ames' eldest son, one of their six children.
Rabbi Dov Lior of Kiryat Arba eulogized the victims saying that "this is a grave tragedy for the families, for the people of Israel and for the state. God, avenge the spilled blood of your servants."
"There is an army, which must be used," rabbi Lior continued. "The mistake is to think that an agreement can be reached with these terrorists. Every Jew wants peace, but these evildoers want to destroy us. We need to give them the right of return and return them to the countries from which they came."
Kochava's husband, Momi Even Chaim, lamented the loss of his wife, saying "My Kochava, my love, my partner, how will I say goodbye to you?"
"I'm afraid," he continued. "I just want you to stay. Monsters, cowards, to shoot innocent civilians – only a coward would think that shooting an innocent woman was a legitimate form of warfare."
"You and I are embarking on separate journeys. But you are not alone – you are with a group of righteous people with whom you shared a final ride," Momi added, referring to the other victims of the attack. "I want you to know one important thing: thousands of angels are accompanying you, my righteous one. I remain behind with a giant hole in my heart."
Avishai Shindler's uncle, rabbi Zvi Shalva, said "during the month of Elul we get closer to God, but he wanted you closer than the rest of us. All your acquaintances, neighbors and students felt your grace and humility."
Knesset speaker Reuven Rivlin, who participated in the funeral procession, said "the enemy can't stand to see Israel's achievements; they can't stand seeing children playing in our streets. In the eyes of the enemy, there is no Green Line. There is no difference between the occupation of 1976 and that of 1948."
"You, my brothers, are pioneers and will take part in the building of the country," Rivlin added, addressing the settlers of the region. "This is a resounding Zionist response. Another neighborhood, another building, another life, another holiness."
Yitzhak and Talya Ames were to be buried in Jerusalem, and Kochava Even Chaim and Avishai Shindler were to be buried in Segula.
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My words are difficult to share as I am choked up while writing this. Please Land of Israel do not waste anymore time discussing peace, please, I beg of you attend the Shivas, see these families bereft of their loved ones, there should be no forgiveness to these amalakim for the killings. Let us older folks if healthy enough to do some of the work as volunteers in the IDF help out. Yes, pass this on to the IDF that I would be happy to help out so the men, women, who serve could get some rest and renew their committments to protect us from the haughty, brutal, enemies.
It's sad to see that just a a few people here commenting this article seems to think that the Palestineans or the Israelis deserve any peace. I think they deserve peace, both peoples. Do you? Or are you on e of those narrowminded haters that wants to continue this endless spiral of violence? This rabbi Lior, a religious leader, a so-called wise man, promotes war. He is arguing for revenge, for intolerance. I can't see much differense between him and the muslim mullahs in Gaza. They are using the same kind of rhetorics. Leaders who claim they representing a loving god are promoting killing, revenge, wars can't be representants for a true loving god and a tolerant religion. Do you want war? Or do you want peace? Seriously!
How come Haaretz failed to report this?
IF YES TELL ME WHAT IS THE REASON OF THAT ? IF YOU DONT KNOW ! TELL ME HOW MUCH ISRAEL SPENDS ON WEAPONS ! IF YOU DONT KNOW THIS TOO. YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED ME TO TALK TO YOU.
THANKS THE GOD THAT ITS NOT ME.
Hundreds of Arab women and children walk the streets of Israeli cities and towns and do not get shot or killed. Hamas you are cowardly scums and will inherit the fruits of your evil. "Vengeance is mine Saith the Lord"
...did you forget them? Many were women and children...
How Palestinian!There was no need to kill her because occupation was supposed to be part of the peace negotiations so her murder was unnecessary. Unless she was killed in an attempt to derail peace negotiations?That is more plausible because it is a well known fact that Palestinians are the world biggest peace resisters and prefer to live from jazia collected from infidel world community rather than work,build and live peacefully.
Same as killing Pali babies.
many have said 'over my dead body!' so ok...happy now...just get out stupid
This woman was very deliberately targeted and murdered. Now, explain exactly when the same was done to Pali babies, jerkoff.
IF YES ! EXPLAIN TO ME WHY ! OTHER WSIE I WONT MAKE A SERIOUS COMMENT.
When all of you who is for "An Eye for an Eye, a Tooth for a Tooth" will already understand that it will make you blind?!!!!!
israeli goverment planted hate and thats what they got . israel is blame not the P.A. israel incourged hamas now it is it's biggest enemy . arn't you guys kicking yourselves now. you bet on the wrong horse now you lost . don't give up on the P.A but occupation is not the solution
So typical of cowards to blame others. This is hamas and a weak PA, not Israel.
The Palestinians started massacring the Jews of the region in 1920. They planted hate. That's what they got, right?
Tragic what happend here. No justification for kiling innocent civilians. Just wondering though why we never see or hear the stories of the countless palestinian civilians that have been murdered over the years. The power of media...
You and I both know the media is extremely biased in favor of the Palestinians. Where is the world outcry against such atrocities? Where is the outrage? People like you justify these terrorist acts by equating them with victims of war against terrorists. And by doing so ensure these acts will continue
All lives are NOT sacred. These lives were, but not all are.
Where do you get your authority to say such a thing? All lives are equal in the sight of God or at least that's what the bible says.
when you take someone else's land for no compensation, you know what you get? 60 years of war!
You talk in circles and in ignorance. Arab/palestinian killing and persecution of Jews has gone on for much longer than 60 years. Jews in the 20s and 30s were brutally murdered and attacked by Arabs (spearheaded by the Grand Mufti)
Would you mind explaining exactly when this land belonged to the Palestinians without a single Jew on it?
And stop the perpetual whining.
If peace means accepts a lower statues, we have supremacy over all the land WE CHOSE and you get what we give you, then we can have peace. The Germans could not have said it better themselves.
According to this poster... The Germans offered the Jews a state of their own. Wow. When did that happen?
jews want a piece of the west bank
Of course the Palestinians and members of the Arab Street have always wanted peace. It's just that their peace only comes through the destruction of Israel. That's Palestinian peace for you.
and you have settlers waiting to build on stolen the second freeze is over. yeah thats israeli peace for you
The best way to stop settlers is peace. There is no peace because the Palestinians/Arabs seek to destroy Israel and are incapable of compromise.
Open an "Haaretz" from 1966, 1965, or whatever , any date any month , Pals murdered Jews even then without any EXCUSE of "occupation" . BEFORE 1967 THERE WAS NO "OCCUPATION"
go back where you came from
Israel is where we came from.
Israel, while American belongs to the American Indians, stop your propaganda and hatred!
What if you found out that Jews lived on those lands for thousands of years and were only kicked out from 1948-67. Would you consider it evil to reclaim properties you were only kicked off for for 19 years to be "an evil land grab"?
you see its ok fore the chosen to steal
And if someone owes you money is it OK to murder them because they haven't paid you back? And if you own and rent an apartment and your tenant doesn't pay the rent its OK to murder them to get them out? Is this progressive liberal thinking? Do you really understand the ramifications of what you are saying?
I think you should ask Jordan about that. Palestine under the Mandatory powers after WW! included Jordan. The land that is now Israel was only 20% of "Palestine". "Palestinians" persecuted Jews, stole there property and killed well before there was Israel. Israel is the homeland of Jews. There is no peace without acknowledging the right of Israel to exist in peace and with security.
Why is it that Jewish blood is worth much more than a 13 year pally girl shot up with a full clip from an M-16 toting Isreali soldier? Or a house full of innocent babies that was targeted by a missile from a chopper? I don't condone this act of terrorism, but I personally believe that it's all terrorism whether it was a isreali or paly...... Whether it was an m-16 or an ak47. Whether it was a bomb or missile. Whether it was mosque or synogage or church!!!!!!!!!!!! ENOUGH ALLREADY!!!!!!
These were civilians who were butchered at close range, with the intent of killing civilians. The others were killed in combat operations which were launched against an enemy which deliberately targets civilians and hides among its own civilians.
Try as you might, you won't whitewash your favorite terrorists. We know them and you for what you are.
If only these people had stayed in Israel instead of choosing to take up residence on land belonging to others this tragedy wouldn't have happened.
HUghes Thompson, has anyone yet declared legally any land in the West Bank as belonging to a Nation called Palestine consisting of Arab Muslims who call themselves Palestinians? What exactly makes the west bank "Palestinian" land? If I started calling myself a Palestinian Jew tomorrow, does that mean I'm no longer "occupying" it? Please enlighten me with your tales of "land belonging to someone"??? Can the Native American sneak up on your car while you're driving to the grocery story and spray your car with bullets too? he's only "resisting" occupation right? If only you had stayed in England instead of settling in America that tragedy wouldn't have happened... Right?
Every brutal killing, from any side, is appalling and unacceptable. The killing must stop for any kind of peace settlement to work. Whether it is Palestinian, Israeli, or the flotilla activists, every death is painful and unnecessary. The leaders from both sides have to do something now, to stop this shameful situation.
Jews don't belong in those areas? Why? The Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem is in those areas. Why were all the Jews kicked out in 1948? There were Jews living in the West Bank until they were kicked out in 1948. They were attacked again in 1967 and were able to move back in. If you kick Jews out of a region for 19 years, they no longer belong in those areas?
yesterday rmed Israeli settlers opened fire at three Palestinian teenagers and what?-no news!! but settler is killed and the news that can end the "peace talks" not the settler who is trying the Palestinian. AND+ Netanyahu: rejects peace talks based on 1967 borders and Jerusalem +NO Settlement freeze + 31 Palestinian civilans were killed since 2009 (they didn't participate in any hostilities and protest)+ illegal construction of the wall and so on but yes THE ONLY thing that ends the silly "peace talks" which were only to start due to the pressure from the USA is the killing of 4 people who shouldn't even be there (illegal settlements). Where are those people who cry that it is only the Pals fault when Pal get killed, illegal settlements are still being built, settlers atack and try to kill Pals and so on? Where are they? They only shoutt when they have the opportunity to blame Pals. YES the killings which occured today must be to condemned, but you can't say that this ends the "peace talks" becouse the Israelis are no better and everyone knows that they are doomed to fail, not becouse the Pals but by the "NO policy" to everything that Netanyahu and Liberman are implementing FROM THE VERY START. But this is a good excuse for the Israeli to end sth that they weren't even ready to start in the first place.
Murdering women and children - including unborn babies in pregnant women's bellies - is such a fundamental part of IDF mentality that they celebrate it with T-shirts saying "2 kills, 1 shot" under a drawing of a pregnant woman with a target on her.
You imbeciles just make it all up as you go along, don't you?
sad how you and your ilk go into overdrive with false accusations to divert attention from another savage act. Yet more sad that you think anyone other than your sorry bunch will believe it, Jimmy, Hassan, Mohamed (or whatever your real name is)
how is what he wrote false haaretz even had an article about it, the shirts that said 1 shot two kills about pregnant ladies
Settlements are illegal and are built on occupied Palestinian land. Direct peace negotiations is just more time of Israel to steal more land...
Jordan kicked all the Jews out in 1948 and attacked again in 1967. This a-hole refers to Jews living there again as, "thieves." They were only kicked out for 19 years, and this ethnic cleansing turned the land into exclusive Arab land forever?
Strange, when a lot of innocent Palestinians citizens, mothers, fathers and children where killed by the IDF Rabbi Dov Lior was silent and smiled. How can you talk about God when you do so?
Ramadan 2010 Scorecard Day 20 In the name of The Religion of Peace Terror Attacks 139 In the name of All Other Religions 1 Dead Bodies In the name of The Religion of Peace 578 In the name of All Other Religions 1 Latest Offerings from the Religion of Peace "He who fights that Islam should be superior fights in Allah's cause" Muhammad, prophet of Islam 2010.08.31 (Hebron, Israel) - A pregnant woman is among four young Jews gunned down in cold blood by Hamas terrorists. 2010.08.31 (Badakhshan, Afghanistan) - Three Oxmam humanitarian workers are taken out in a brutal roadside blast. 2010.08.31 (Kabul, Afghanistan) - Three supreme court employees are riddled with bullets by Holy Warriors. 2010.08.30 (Jalalabad, Afghanistan) - The Taliban assassinate a local official with a bomb. 2010.08.30 (Baghdad, Iraq) - Jihadi car bombers kill a civilian. 2010.08.30 (Mogadishu, Somalia) - Four guards at the presidential palace are killed during an al-Shabaab mortar attack. World|Sat, Aug. 28 2010 01:33 PM EDT http://www.christianpost.com/article/20100828/pakistani-taliban-kills-3-foreign-christian-aid-workers/ Pakistani Taliban Kills 3 Foreign Christian Aid Workers ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (Compass Direct News) – Authorities on Wednesday recovered the bodies of three Christian relief workers who had been kidnapped and killed by members of the Pakistani Taliban in the flood-ravaged country, area officials said. Related Taliban Attack, Kill Christians in Pakistan Town World Vision Workers Attacked in Pakistan Muslims Order Christians to Leave Village in Pakistan Rapes of Christian Girls in Pakistan Reflect Hidden Trend Swat District Coordination Officer Atif-ur-Rehman told Compass that the Pakistan Army recovered the bodies of the three foreign flood-relief workers at about 7 a.m. on Wednesday. An official at the international humanitarian organization that employed the workers withheld their names and requested that the agency remain unnamed for security reasons. Military sources who withheld news of the deaths from electronic and print media to avoid panicking other relief workers granted permission to Compass to publish it in limited form. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Israelis that choose to live outside of Israels borders are taking an increased risk in exchange for financial considerations. Those that choose to live in the Hebron Hills are choosing to live near the fron lines of the war. The amazing thing is that there are not more attacks upon Israeli settlers.
You are a very depraved woman. Furthermore you know no history. Jews have been living in Hebron without interruption for thousands of year, until your friends the Arabs massacred them in 1929. today'smurdeoumurders must have know Israelid
I'm quite sure jews in Israel proper also suffer attacks if not more. Jews have been living in Hebron for thousands of years and were massacred and ran in 1929.
The Balfour Declaration stipulated that the West Bank would be part of a Jewish Country. There has never been a a Palestine so the only ones who can end the occupation are the so-called "Palestinians" -- by leaving. If you think that's mean, then don't use the incorrectly called occupation as an excuse for murder.
Doesn't mention borders. Do you really believe lying when it's so easily disproven will help your cause?
There was no Jordan "in" Palestine at the time or any Palestinian state of Arabs. This document was written for the Jewish inhabitants. If you don't like what someone says: call him a "liar." The Balfour Declaration November 2, 1917 During the First World War, British policy became gradually committed to the idea of establishing a Jewish home in Palestine (Eretz Yisrael). After discussions in the British Cabinet, and consultation with Zionist leaders, the decision was made known in the form of a letter by Arthur James Lord Balfour to Lord Rothschild. The letter represents the first political recognition of Zionist aims by a Great Power. Foreign Office November 2nd, 1917 Dear Lord Rothschild, I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet. "His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country." I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation. Yours sincerely, Arthur James Balfour
Europe killed the Jews, not Muslims or Palestinians.Then, they think, how do we make it up to the Jews, let's give them Palestine ... Why not give the Jews Germany or England?
while many people in Gaza are suffering, the Hamas leadership is apparently living well. Since they admitted their involvement in this civilian atrocity, why not hit them directly where they'll feel it, bomb their homes.
The settlers are a bunch of criminals who should be expelled out of the palestinian lands they stole. The blood of the dead is on their hands and on the hands of their supporters.
I am totally opposed to act of violence on either side and as a parent, I can only imagine the hurt that the kids and the families are enduring. As a Palestinian, I reach out and say the perpetrators of the attack are in the minority In this unfortunate time, Haaretz is pulling the heart strings of its readers by posting the picture of the family (collateral victim) . I would only ask Haaretz to post pictures of the collateral victims of the Israeli Government sponsored aggression against the Pales .
as they have committed genocide against Armenians, and are engaged in mass murder of Kurds.
or years of conitued illegal occupation, where pals are treated as 2nd level civilians, settlements for jews (and only jews) built on palestinian lands, continous house evictions of palestinian families, thousands of west bank palestinians lingering in israeli jails and on and on. Israel might believe its been at peace with the west bank but its a baseless peace built and cemented through an illegal occupation.
wallah I know the feeling and how sad it is, but believe you me the occupation is evil and the agonies you as Jews and Israelis which you have caused for us the Palestinians are too much to bear. It's no good to call us evils or trying to outsmart us in negotiations. Be good to us and we shall be good to you, it's as simple as that.
THANKS !
THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED: in case of flat tire with no train around, all that may save them/[[THEIRS}] w/c/should be [[A]} JUST JACK 2TAKE them/theirs QUICKLY IN AM'BUSH, LIKE ◄THAT►, SO THEY [{TOO}] FFeeLL SAFE[{R}], don't you think as well? WE'VE TOLD THEM: you're IN THERE and we DO NOT have any problem with that, BUTT: save your own. Cos the Arabs will NEVER accept such thing and that too is something they not only should BE KNOWING about, but also RECKONING with IF IT IS that they don't want 2 BB RECKONING ON [{IT}]!
by by threatening to exile the Pals from Palestine...this man is putting them in a 'no win' situation...and guaranteeing the Jews more and more disasters in Israel....Sad...
be it in Lebanon,Jordan,Gaza,West Bank,Israel etc. Obviously, Palestinians are too tribal and cannot live peacefully with others. Don't blame me,they proved it again by murdering four innocent people just because they did not want them in the WB. It is Palestinian a territory you know.A no go zone.
do not settle in occupied territory.
Don't want Jews living on lands which have had a Jewish presence for thousands of years, and were only free of Jews from 1948-1967.
What shall the occupied to against the settlements? Those settlements against their will are ok under Israels laws and thats where the crime of war begins: You may not put your own people into occupied territories. Very easy case!
What was the situation be the "occupation" of 1967? Were the Arabs peaceful neighbours to Jews before Jews commited "crimes of war"?
barbarians don't sit down and negotiate
Jordan captures the West Bank and East Jerusalem in 1948, and kicks out every single Jew. Jordan attacks again in 1967. Jews move back in. Jews reclaiming their own properties after only being gone for 19 years is the reason for all this? Bull!
The Defense Minister is an expert when it comes to attacking the settlers and giving the terrorists a pass as we saw with his failure to defeat Hamas in 209.The story does not change with devious lying politicians who treacherously betray the people of Israel to please their Washington pimp.
so you're a racist. all too easy to imagine the other things you are, too.
To whomever perpetrated this act of murder, I condemn you. No decent human being takes human life for political reasons ever. To do so, we violate the sanctity of a child of God by seeking our personal vengeance when it is God, to whom this sacred right and wrath belongs solely. I denounce this act as a desperate idiocy, no reasoned effort that produces such tragedy will ever lead to anything good for any people. We make peace and seek justice by being peaceful and just,period.
Because you think taking a human life is right?
I CONDEMN YOU AND COMMENT THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS...THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES DOING SOMETHING ABOUT ILLEGAL OCCUPATION
Peace is obtainable with the end of the occupation. And do recall your "evildoers" never fail to cite their actions as being the result of that occupation. The ball is in the Jewish court.
What is it with the Holocaust deniers - that believe that people forget history.
You don't understand their meaning of the word 'occupation.' The Arab meaning of the word 'occupation' refers to all land that includes today's borders of the State of Israel. You're a useful idiot to the cause of propoganda.
Occupation is just the latest excuse in a long line of excuses to murder the Jews of the region. The reason the "occupation" even exists in the first place is because of all the wars the Arabs declared and the rejection of a state which has been repeatedly offered to them. Peace is obtainable once the Palestinians stop trying to destroy the Jews and accept a state of their own, jackass.
Arab terror will not defeat the nation of Israel.
Cast Lead has obviously already taught them that lesson in spades.
yes they will
No, Isreali terror and inhumanity will...
For some reason, it is practically nowhere mentioned that the Ames family were repatriants from Moscow. Although the vast majority of the Israelis of Jewish-Russian origin are secularists, there is a strong feeling that the killed Ames were "ones of ours". The Hamas "freedom fighters" have used that chance without proper knowledge, so they should not feel upset if on the next elections the YB party gets 30 seats, up from the current 15.
we have a stake in Israel, and no "phease" nor "phreaze" does for it. That's why they shoot us. Don't be part of our trouble..
Palestinians want a "just peace". This additional word is the root of all disagreements. So the talks should not be about peace, but to commonly agree on what "justice" means. That is "justice for all". All these killings (which I totally condone in case someone wonders) are nothing but the consequence of how this lack of justice is perceived. True through barbarian behavior. Because the Palestinians have nothing left to lose, they behave as such. Give them something to lose, and they will change.
just like rabin was assassinated by a jewish extremist in order to torpedo the peace talks, now you have Hamas using violence to do the same thing. Hamas is not the only spoiler in the region, FPLP, Islamic Jihad will also put the talks to the test. Should the talks progress, Jewish settlers or the Israeli right may commit acts of violence to halt the talks. Conventional wisdom should dictate that Netanyahu will use this recent act of violence or the next one to call off the talks altogether.
who thinks it is quite alright to kill civilians, as long as they are Palestinian that is.
That Rabbi is a jerk who used words, and you compare that to people who literally murdered 4 people.
Money can't buy you love and land can't buy you peace. In almost every newspaper and blog around the world the lead-in is how Israel needs to make land concessions and stop the building of settlements. The reason that the left is descendent and its message doesn't resonate is because its just not true, its an illusion, its a lie. There is no peace in the middle east because the arab world, fronted by the Palestinians, continues to incite their people against Jews and Israel. Until that changes, and until that reality is recognized, until the world opens its eyes to what they have denied for so long, there will be no peace. When the world see the problem here as it really is and the incitement is stopped, when the arab world makes real a decision to acknowledge that Jews have a connection to their ancestral homeland, then there will be Peace Now.
Yerachmiel Mordechai, you are stealing the land from under the feet of the indigenous Palestinian inhabitants and colonize it in violation of international law. Israel has incited the Palestinians for decades by continuing to dispossess them. This is the biggest incitement of all. The Palestinians have a right to resist. It is the natural right of any nation being occupiied by usurpers. It was not enough to occupy 78% of Palestine in 1948 and dispossess the native population. You took the rest in 1967 and colonized it in defiance of international law. The miracle is that the Palestinians have not acted more violently in view of the thousands that have been killed by the Israeli occupation. Stop being disingenuous. Stop the incitement in the form of colonization. Get the colonists out of the Palestinian territories occupied in 1967. Your biblical claims are completely phony and unacceptable under international law. If you want to be pray at sites that you believe to be sacred you should have had the decency to ask their Palestinian owners. But you came as enemies, as foreign invaders. You are irresponsible to believe that you can colonize Palestinian land, putting your civilians in harms way, and think that there is no price to pay. Again: stop the biggest incitement of all, stop colonizing Palestinian land and give it back to their owners. Then make good relations with them and they may want to invite you to come for tea and visit your 'sacred' sites.
"... the arab world, fronted by the Palestinians, continues to incite their people against Jews and Israel." As if "peace loving" Israel has not been doing its darnest to make sure the incitement does not continue by stealing land, building settlements, destroying and evecting pals from their homes, and killing and imprisoning them in the thousands. Whom are you kidding?
Actually, it's the hatred of Jews which is the biggest incitement. Before any land was, "colonized," the Arabs in the region were murdering the Jews. Hell, even your nonsense about "Palestinian land," is a bunch of bull. Since when were Jews not able to live in East Jerusalem and the West Bank? They were only kicked out for 19 years. They move back in after Jordan ethnically cleansed them, and anti-Israeli assholes refer to them as, "settlers." You blubber about 1967. Well, Jews were living in those territories all the way until 1948. Why does an asshole, like you think that Jews have no right to live there anymore?
Palestinian Land? There was never any country called Palestine. A vast majority of the Palestinians are descendants of migrant workers that came to the region because of economic opportunity. The biggest problem here is that the Arabs have never recognized that Israel has a right to exist. The never accepted the partition in 1948. By the way, where were all these Palestinians before 1967 screaming for an independent state? Only after Israel wins a war do they start to scream. The hatred of Israel and Jews started way before the 1967 war. This is the problem. The Palestinian's map still shows their flag over the entire land of Israel. So give me a break. The Palestinians have always preferred to fight the Jews because their ultimate goal is to get all of Israel. The Palestinian strategy has always been a phased approach to get rid of Israel completely. Maybe if they would just accept Israel as a fact of life maybe then we can move on and really talk about living in peace next to each other.
Jordan kicked all the Jews out in 1948, attacked again in 1967, and Jews moved back in. How exactly, is that "stealing land"?
I don't think it's just the Arabs that practise incitement , Rabbi Ovadia Yosef does a good job at it for the Jews. So, perhaps both sides need to leave aside incitement and show some respect for each other. Then, maybe a settlement based on mutual understanding and respect would be possible.
It seems to me from articles that I have read in Haaretz that there is a major problem with bigotry on the Jewish side, particularly amongst settlers. It seems that more Israelis than not look on Palestinians with contempt. Rabbi Ovadia Yosef certainly did not portray an image of a tolerant man. Maybe you need to acknowledge that !
And we have the documentation to prove it. Its called the Torah. Its a valid historical document, recognized by modern civilizations, Romans and Greeks, long before the Palestinians started squatting on our land.
My G-D bless to the Ames Family!
Just like the fallen IDF soldier in the Lebanon skirmish, Israel's enemies don't realize that the price of Jewish blood is A LOT more expensive than they realize... For every one of our's who is murdered, be prepared for multiple on your side. This is a specific job for the Yamam Unit, and I cannot WAIT to hear the news when they turn these killers into dog food. You people who hate us have no idea the length we go to for our people, you simply have no damn idea whatsoever...
What about thousands of Palestinians you killed including INNOCENT women and children, thier blood was flowing like rivers,where was your outrage,,, If you just get out of palestinian land,,,this would not occur,,,,voilence breeds voilence,,,,,My condelences to the victims family
Yeah, we kind of have an idea given all the massacres you already committed on the Palestinian people. I do not condone this act whatsoever, but this is the hard every-day reality for Palestinians! Sucks, doesn't it?! Retaliation in these situations are not helpful at all, from both sides! So, instead of rousing yourself with the idea of it, stop and think of more peaceful answers.
you might want to tone down the rhetoric given that the world got to witness Israeli/IDF bravery on the mav mara. And yes, the world has a pretty good idea what murderous rampages Israelis will go on at their whim. Stop occupying Palestinian land and then live in peace.
The Palestinians keep launching wars and fighting from among their civilians. Clearly, they just targeted and murdered 4 civilians. Do you think there won't be more death as a result?
You mean, those soldiers weren't supposed to defend themselves?
and as for Naveed, are you refering to the 600 Palestinians who died when Hamas fired rockets from apartment buildings but then inflated the death toll to ever 1000? If anything, you just argued against yourself. and for my original point. WHAT do you think happens when a few Jews are targeted and murdered? You guessed it, a death toll on the other side will always be greater.. So the lesson? Don't kill jews if you don't want "thousands" of poor innocent 6 year old "Shahids" meeting their 72 virgins in heaven.
An eye for an eye,dont forget never ever!who want to use peace against terrorism?!
Why this killing ????? This is insane !!!! Why the world midia don´t give the same headlines blaming these terrorists as in the flotila incident ? Of course an eye for an eye will not lead to peace, but If you consider all jews eyes taken by the holocoust , jews are far behind in this account....Enough !!!
the Muslim-Arab world, in words a deeds alike, keep sending signals that it would be pleased with nothing short of the demise of the national home of the Jewish people and the decimation in it of every single trace of Jewish life. Is the world out there totally blind to this reality? Is America deaf, can't hear the sounds and is it blind and unable to see the fire...??!!
The Palestinian Authority, it must be noted, condemn the murderous attack against the four, a couple with six children who are now orphans, and the other couple, with a child who is now orphan and an a yet to be born child. The attack, the PA stated "did not serve the Palestinian interest". There was no world of the lack of morality of murdering civilians, no condolences, nothing but a thought about "Palestinian interests", as if to say, if the attack did serve Palestinian interests it would be justified. Sadly, this attack and the response to it have been part of a long war-of-attrition-through-terror carried out by the Muslim-Arabs of Eretz Israel (Land of Israel) against the Jewish community of the country since 1920, yes, since 1920!!!
Why are our dear leftist brothers so blind? How do you make peace with a people that teach their pupils to become shahidim (this is how they honour life?)and the map of their future land includes the whole of eretz Yisrael. .Despicable acts of murder as we witnessed last night only hardens our resolve for justice. Where is the condemnation from the left-these settlers are your brothers and sisters and were given permission to live on the land by all previous governments-but we only see you fighting for the rights of the enemy.Titbayshu!!
Why are our dear leftist brothers so blind? How do you make peace with a people that teach their pupils to become shahidim (this is how they honour life?)and the map of their future land includes the whole of eretz Yisrael. .Despicable acts of murder as we witnessed last night only hardens our resolve for justice. Where is the condemnation from the left-these settlers are your brothers and sisters and were given permission to live on the land by all previous governments-but we only see you fighting for the rights of the enemy.Titbayshu!!
Nothing can justify the killing of these people but who put them there at the first place. Whitout no settlements in occupied Palestienan land this would most likely not have happened.
Are you blind to the fact that most of the Arab world has either already made peace with Israel, or has active diplomatic and economic cooperation with it? Haven't you heard of the Saudi peace plan? The Arabs want this over too but the cancer of the settler movement is crippling Israeli governments for years now.
They should stop occupying, stealing and settling in land that belongs to others.
Doug, when Jordan kicked all the Jews out of those territories in 1948, is that what magically turned it into someone else's land being stolen by the actual owners?
What nonsense, most Arab/Muslim have diplomatic and economic cooperation with Israel? What a joke and distortion of the truth. The cancer is Islamic terror worlwide, stop with the red herring of setllers/occupation, etc etc all nonsense! If not for these settlers, Israel would be overrun!
Move Israelis back to Israel and give Palestinians back their homes.
What a tragedy!
I'm so sad right now.
You are making peace with the peaceful majority not the hard line minority. These murderous terrorists should be routed out and destroyed. Northern Ireland proved that with peace the violence can stop as the violent minority no longer find a voice. Condolences to the family, I pray the killers are caught.
That is exactly my dear why you should make peace... to avoid such incidents, otherwise there is no need for peace... I think you are missing the point.
You're comparing Northern Ireland to the middle east. It isn't the same. Unfortunately there are extremists that will always find a voice and a very strong one at that.
Any sedition will invite only more of the same... and if you support it we will fight you, when the day comes. Just keep in mind what you said. You are minority. Filled with hate and hubris, potent and venomous. But minority. Enjoy as Ames did life.
"...its a natural reaction for people under ocupation." Please stop the slandering...
That is exactly my dear why you should avoid such murders to prove to the world and to those who feed you that you want to live in peace not only with Israel,but also with countries where you killed hundreds of innocent people.