Parents clash with ultra-Orthodox who shut down Beit Shemesh girls' school
Haredi residents of city determined to prevent girls' school opening; parents: our mayor is scared to stand up for us.
By Oz RosenbergViolent confrontations erupted Monday afternoon between hundreds of parents of students at a religious school for girls in Beit Shemesh and a group of ultra-Orthodox protesters, who arrived at the school on Sunday night and who have refused to move. The protesters object to the presence of the girls in the area, although they themselves live in a different part of the city.
The girls at the national religious “Orot” school had been due to start the new school year at the site, but were relocated due to the protest. Last week, Beit Shemesh Mayor Moshe Abutbul sent a letter to the parents’ association, warning that he had received serious threats from ultra-Orthodox residents of the city, who vowed to cause physical harm to both to the mayor and the students should the school open as planned.
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Parents outside the 'Orot' girls' school in Beit Shemesh, August 29, 2011. |
| Photo by: Gili Cohen-Magen |
Abutbul told the parents that in light of the threats, he could not guarantee the safety of the girls, and had decided not to open the school for the start of the academic year.
“Do you know what this means?” Ze’ev Moskowitz, a member of the parents’ association asked angrily. “A mayor of an Israeli city says ‘I have no control over what is happening here.’ A couple of days ago, the ultra-Orthodox smashed several windows in the school, which led the parents to start a night watch there. Last night, at around 2:30 A.M., 15 ultra-Orthodox broke into the building; the parents at the site called the police, who, according to the parents, said that they could not stop them entering the building. This morning, hundreds of parents arrived to confront the intruders, and they are there right now.”
A police unit turned up at the school Monday to separate the two groups. “Right now there is anarchy,” Esti Moskowitz, the head of the parents’ association, said Monday. “What the mayor is actually saying is ‘the strong are in charge, I am not ready to take the decision, even though the legal decision is to say that the building is yours.’ This building was constructed with the symbol of the ‘Orot’ organization displayed at its pinnacle. The threats that the mayor has received come from a small group inside Beit Shemesh and all the [municipal] agencies are afraid of them – a group of fanatics which is at the moment running this city. They want everyone in the city to be ultra-Orthodox. Great. Tomorrow they will say I need to wear a wig and my son has to wear long trousers. Who will stop them then?”
The parents say that they have the full backing of the Education Ministry. The police said Monday that they have separated the two scuffling groups, and are now waiting before taking further action, in accordance with a decision by the municipality and Education Ministry.
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Bring them to court. The Haredim should pay the damages or be put in prison. They should be put in prison for trespassing or fined heavily. The owners of the building and school should hire a guard or guards. Once they win the lawsuit, they can use the winnings to reclaim the loss of money used to hire the guards. The Harredim who are responsible for this injustice, houses should be taken if they cannot pay the fine. They have no right to live in this area and oppress Jews in it. Their actions are not from the Torah. They are acting immorally and creating a Hilul Hashem and those Haredim responsible (as not all are responsible for this) (and it's only a small crazy group) they should be forced out of this area for fighting their own blood, creating disunity and terrorizing Jews in Israel. It's not right.
I think these 'ultra orthodox' need a new label as they are a group unto themselves. Terrorizing the orthodox and having the authorities afraid to act is simply unacceptable. But first the situation needs to be investigated to make sure all the facts are correct.
These idiots are the reasons everyone hates Jews. Can't we just vote them off the island or something? /facepalm
Hire a Guard.
If you cannot conduct yourselves peacefully and without confrontations it is hardly surprising you cannot make peace with the Palestinians.
Use it or lose it.
Since when are these batlanim the "strong?" Why couldn't hundreds of parents simply physically remove them?
these people should be sent to Iran -one way- they are a threat to Judaism and it is shameful and harmful for the democratic principles of Israel that a mayor is afraid of them. .
These so called "Orthodox" Jews are not Jews at all - they act more like religious bigots and are related to the Wahabi's of Saudi Arabia!
It doesn't explain even one issue between the two groups. How is anyone suppose to understand anything that is going on here? All the article does is make these different groups of varying religious observance look like they are engaging in a 'Religious War', so typical of the shallow atheist Left. It even throws in the Left twisted attempt at Antisemitism by saying the religious control the government.
Girls should stay home and cook for their better half
against the black-hatted haredi horde.
I am Haredi. I would not send my kids to this school BUT I am 100% behind these parents - the hooligans MUST be stopped. It is insanity to let them stop this school from functioning.
How could it be that the Mayor is afraid of what appears to be a small minority of people and according to the story, not even the police are fully in charge? Living in Israel for many many years, I can tell you, this is not the Israel I know and therefore there must be facts missing to be able to conclude with a correct opinion.
This issue has nothing to do with orthodoxy....the girls' school itself is orthodox but these extremists are threatening because it doesn't conform with their inventions of jewish law. This is a confrontation between mainstream moderate orthodox, and crazy cultists.
...that you could mix far-right Ultra Orthodox Jews, MO, Ethiopians, and the rich all together and it would not be like keeping the tinder next to the matches. What poor city planning.
Taliban
Ultra-orthodox terrorism... that's the name of the beast.
We must not let a handful of thugs run Beit Shemesh to the ground.
and brought to court for criminal behaviour. dont blame the entire haredi community.
the police is waiting??? some guys are occupying a state building and the police is waiting, where are we living?????
What do these three words really mean? That the crackdown on Palestinian terrorists will be harsh, but that ultra-Orthodox terrorists such as these will not only walk freely, but their demands will be accepted?!? A shame!
Just not ULTRA Ortho. Look at the picture, most of the parents and families would be considered Orthodox, but because they aren't UltraOrthodox, the Charedi are going nuts. This smells of the adage "First they came for the leftists, but I wasn't a leftist. THEN they came for the ..." Now the nuttys are attacking the folks closest to them. Enough is enough - if you want to live a Charedi life, fine, just don't infringe on the rest of us. Politicians HAVE to stand up to these bullies or Israel is doomed.
when settlers rampage through their streets, occupy their houses, and destroy their orchards with impunity.
I won't forget the time my son got a chair thrown at him by a student . No reason at all
Is not a democratic country, but a country that is run by the minority religious parties. A country that is governed by laws that are over 5000 years old. A country that resembles a pre-historic society. Now can the world, specifically the USA, realize why Israel can not and will not make peace with the Palestinian people.
I didn't know Mullah Omar converted to Judaism.
When will the authorities deal with these terrorists? And when will my fellow Jews stand up to these horrible, horrible extremists that are poisioning our culture and our ruining our reputation around the world? These are the people that we unaffiliated Jews allow to proudly walk around waving the flag of Israel, speaking on our behalf. They say "this is the Jewish way," or "this isn't Jewish way." When do we say enough is enough? In the end, they're just a bunch of backards, extremist, fanatic, nutjobs with terrorist envy. I'm done pointing fingers at the Arabs. They've got good an they've god bad. They've got progressives and they've got Jihadists. In the end, I can only be responsible for my own house. And that means counterprotesting these ********s every chance I get, and helping to advance peace from the inside.
Much as I dislike the Haredi way of getting what they want, they are rational people and have reasons for their actions. In this case, they must have stated a reason for their objection to the girl-school in that location, but Haaretz does not bother to report it or perhaps to make an effort to find out what their reason is. Perhaps the location is too close to a Haredi boys school, in which case the Haredim can rightly anticipate "trouble". Whatever the reason for the Haredi objection, Haaretz should behave as a good paper and find out what it is, whether it makes sense to the reporters or not.
Their want to cleanse the lands they deem as Jewish are what unites them all, and if that is accomplished, who will be next but Jews they deem less than Jewish. Walls in Day care to separate Haredi from secular are already a sign of what is to come. If it wasnt for the Palestinians they would be fighting each other. Threatening school children girls or boys IS TERRORISM
a copy of Playboy magazine and a Tenach written backwards and send them into Deep Space, where they can argue about how many cubits you should walk when constipated while a neighbor is knocking at the back door seeking compensation for his dead chicken who you accidentally ran over in your Mercedes while mumbling the Shema.
Over 20 years ago we lived in Beit Shemesh. It did not have any of this drama. Religious and not so religious lived together w/o problems, houses were open for Maimouna Festival, etc.... then guess who moved in and changed the dynamics of the town... "Welcome to Talmudistan"
there is something badly wrong either with reporting or with orthodoxy if the picture this article gives of the case (as well as the one where sefardi girls are refused access to ashkenazi orthodox schools) is true.
Please direct me to articles written about far-right ultra-Orthodox Jewish extremists strapping a bomb-belt on and blowing himself up killing people, or any comparable Islamic extremist attacks.
The supposedly ultra orthodox people must be thrown in to prison because they are inflicting violence for no apparent reason unless something is missing from the story. If they have rabbis the rabbis should try to rien them in if that is possible. I am an observant Jew and this smells disgusting. Im not going to put all the UOJ in Israel in to one group but these people who are perpetrators should be jailed
Do not be so naif. The rabbis are stoking the flames. That's where the courage and ideas come from. As long as they have control (legal or extralegal) over the lives of the Israelis, you will never have a constitution or permanent borders.
These hooligans should be treated like the criminals that they are. This school is not in a charadi neighborhood, but a national religious one. The school was built for these children and they must be allowed to start school on time. The government and police should do their jobs and throw the trespassers in jail! They do nothing for the country except break its laws.
But this story goes to the very heart of our problem as a nation Are we to be a "Jewish State"governed by the rules of Halacha - or a "State of the Jewish People" in which people can follow whatever ethical framework suits them with whatever degree of religious observance they choose - including no observance. And whilst it is a "State of the Jews " this should, in no way exclude Christians, Muslims and -even athiests, in respect of their beliefs. What is happening in Beit Shemesh should be a wake up call to all of us. But what to do? Fanatics are fanatical - and their actions seem to be beyond the ability of our society to control. I await the outcome of this particular fracas with interest..........................
What to do? You arrest the ones who vandalize and threaten etc. and you put security around the school that keep any disruptors away from the school. Israel is a modern free society country, not a country that should tolerate interference by a bunch of 17th century religious fanatics.
I call BS. Israel never was, and never will be a Halachic society. It's a Democracy that guarantees freedom of religion, period. The world has long since called our bluff. Until we seriously start dealing with our own lunatic racist fanatics, all our cries about the existential threats provided my Muslims will continue to be met with laughs and eyerolls. People know our **** stinks just as bad already.
And that is exactly the problem with which the Palestinians are confronted. Should they recognize a jewish state? or should they recognize a state of the jews? Or should they recognize a state of the jewish people? The jews themselves don;t know yet. So why the Palestinins should figure it out? The jews should figure it out first themselves. But, second problem. With whom the Palestinians should negotiate about that. With the Haredim or with the zionists or with neither of them,? The problem with the israelis is, that the Palestinians have nobody to negotiate with. So what peace, if there is nobody to negotiate peace with. And not just that. There isn;t even one single jew to negotiate with. If the Palestinians start negotiating with the Haredim, they get in trouble with the zionists and the non Haredim and the non zionists. However if the Palestinians are going to negotiate with the zionists, they get in trouble with the Haredim and those who are nor Haredim and neither Zionists. etc etc Do you see the problem now? The Palestinians are definitily not the problem for peace. The cause of having no peace lies with the Haredim,. or the zionists or the neither of them
Well, they woudn't be "beyond the abiliity of the society to control" if they were Arabs., would they now ??!!
It seems as though the UOJs are becoming like woodworms in Israel.
Maybe you should find out what is going on over there. It is a fringe group, not representative of hareidim in general.
I don't see this as a fringe group at all. These people are evil. No better than the Taliban.
but what is the national Haredi leadership doing to solve the problem of the fringe on Bet Shemesh (or in Yerushalayim?)
but what is the national Haredi leadership doing to solve the problem of the fringe on Bet Shemesh (or in Yerushalayim?)
If it's a fringe group and not representative then why weren't there charedim out there demonstrating with us, in support of the school?
When it's a fringe group, why can't the majority rein them in, and why are the police afraid of a fringe group? Your apology for the ultra-orthodox does not make sense.
You should look up the word before you use it.
Yaacov - I have visited Israel several times and these pedants are destructive to the State of Israel. Every time I walk through Mea Sharim I look, but can't believe the actions the UOJs. They are as foolish as the Amish or the Mormons.