Netanyahu: Illegal African immigrants - a threat to Israel's Jewish character
Prime Minister urges construction of fence along border with Egypt to prevent infiltrators from entering Israel.
By Barak Ravid Tags: migrant workers Egypt Benjamin NetanyahuPrime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Sunday that the recent "flood of illegal workers infiltrating from Africa" into Israel was "a concrete threat to the Jewish and democratic character of the country."
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Migrant workers from Africa at the central bus station in Tel Aviv July, 2009 |
| Photo by: Nir Keidar |
Speaking at a meeting aimed at formulating Israel's immigration policy, Netanyahu said that most Western nations have already taken action to prevent similar dangers. "It is inconceivable that Israel, the one country that faces more threats than any other in the Western world, has no defined immigration policy to protect our national and security interests. The issue has been ignored for many years, and my aim is to bring it to an orderly and responsible legislation by the end of this year, during the winter seating of the Knesset."
Six months ago, Netanyahu visited the area near the border between Israel and Egypt in order to examine the possibility of an Israeli fence along the border to prevent infiltrations. Netanyahu said this trip highlighted the need for such a fence. "The situation, from the point of view of terrorism and infiltrations, is more severe than I thought," he said.
"We must man the region, and then it will be possible to minimize the terrorist infiltrations, as well as the smuggling of drugs and illegal workers," the prime minister went on to say. "If we don't move forward with construction of the fence, the problem will only get worse."
"Infiltrations [into Israel] have become an entire industry," Netanyahu added.
"The Egyptians are doing what they're doing, but we can't rely only on them. Egypt doesn't oppose the construction of the fence and everything is settled under the framework of the peace treaty [between Israel and Egypt]. A country's borders can't be penetrable – it is a national threat," Netanyahu concluded.
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this is not your home and will never be. The presence of zionism is a threat to the motherland's true character and identity of ubuntu. Africa my beloved protect yourself against these bleksems trying to rape you of your brotherism spirit, get rid of these zionist. One love to the palastenians, one love to brotherhood. Africans and arabs, brothers for life.
So Many Arabs claim that Israel is Aparthide state even oganizing the so called Aparthide day and so on so why africans don't go to Arab countries.
What threat - give them amnesty and a pathway to cititzenship. Then they can vote like anyone esle - possibly even organizing their own political party. Isn't Democracy a beautiful thing?
A different position from this awful person would have surprised me. the man has never shown any empathy toward his fellow human beings. We africans should avoid going to Israel as we are not welcome there.
Can we not deport Bibi and Avigdor and keep the Africans?
These Africans seem clueless to the fact that they are entering a "country" of pathological supremacists. The places they are leaving must really stink for them to head for an Apartheid state.
why do israelis always refer to themselves as western or european? some kind of inferiority complex about being middle eastern? huh?
Israel is a jewish state which is not capable with democracy......
Adolf Hitler thought Jews were a threat to the superior white German character too. As an American taxpayer, it disgust me to think my tax dollars goes towards the support of your vile country.
Did PM said lets throw out the country Immigrants from Africa? No he said let's get rid of the illegal immigrants. How many of you don't understand word illegal? it means they crossed the border without permission. Why should they stay in country? You'll say cause they are oppressed , hungry etc.... Sure it' could be true But here is another side of this story. How many of them are terrorists, rapists, robbers, drug smugglers? I think security of Israel is much more important. I had a coworker from Africa and he said to me "When I lived in France it was paradise, I didn't have to work and i had everything" till he decided to immigrate to USA where he had to work. From my experience most of them are looking for easy money. I believe in Legal immigration and not illegal.
As a African American, born and raised in the USA, I find the words of you pm, vile, and disgusting. How many Russian Jew's illegally came to the us? While black kids starve in the us, we give your country billions of dollars of aid, and you can't find away to integrate another race of people in your society? How about no african americans serving in the military in the mid east? That is a racist policy...you guy's are no better than the mullahs in Iran.
I am an immigrant myself I came to USA legally. I lived in black neighborhood. I watched black kids not doing anything with their lifes and just standing in the corners and selling dope. Most of them got killed and some lucky ones went to prison. Blacks in USA act like everyone owes them an appology + money. USA government spent about $5000 on my family, We were on Welfare for first 6 months. Why the rest of the blacks in USA can't do the same and find a job and stop blaming the system. Russians come to USA with high degrees in Science, Medicine etc... what Africans can bring to the table. Let them go to Muslim countries, why not live in UAE or Iran? Why Israel?
Russian Jews came into the country as legal residents.
Nathanyahu is a racist, always has being. When the World Zionist Organization when and shipped into Israel people from all over the former Soviets Republics, Nathanyahu had no problem with migration into Israel then, It is black african that he has problem with, I am an Israeli citizen, in the history of Israel. No Prime Minister ever order the mass deportaion of migrants till Nathanyahu became prime Minister. Whenever Nathanyahu becomes prime minister he always focus on deporting mostly Africans, The police are braking into people's homes to arrest them, even Church services are being disrupted by the police and woshipers led away in chains. Children are made fatherless by nathanyahu's policies on immgration. African Leaders should ask Nathanyahu what his problem is. Idi Amin was responsible for his brothers death he should not take it out on all Africans.
He should ask African leaders why they can't provide good living for their people.
"a concrete threat to the Jewish and democratic character of the country." The ADL would call this racist ideology if anyone else said it.
Hitler said that the Jews were a threat to the German character of Germany. We did not like that. . Now we have become Hitler.
"It's a mighty hard row that my poor hands have hoed My poor feet have traveled that hot dusty road Out of the dust bowl and westward we rolled Your desert was hot and your mountains were cold I've worked in your orchards of peaches and prunes I've slept on the ground in the light of your moon On the edge of your city you've seen us and then We come with the dust and we go with the wind ... Well it's always we ramble that river and I All along your green valley I'll work til I die My land I'll defend with my life if need be Cause my pastures of plenty must always be free - Lila Downs, Pastures of Plenty/ This Land is Your Land
Well that's what the Jews in America told us we had to do when they shoved the Immigration Act of 1965 down our throats.
Besides the throw-away racist sentiment at the end of your spiel, I can't disagree.
You are not part of the Western world and never will be.
Israel is an apartheid regime that is focused on one ethnic group, that's not Western. It is a country with clear segregation and religion into the laws. What makes Israel Western? The fact that some Jews came from Europe doesn't make it Western. There are some Western influences, but it is far more Eastern than Western. That's clear.
israel will never be a western country . israel is part of asia .. eventhough its hard to claim such thing, but the fact is there . Israel is in Asia .. it just the population are made up from Western Jews society ..
Only a secular person would ask the government to support the jewish character of Israel - everything happens with gods will - open the borders and let god sort us all out - unless you talk of god, but use secular means to achieve "his will" ;)
the last time that happened, there .was something called "Holacaust"!!! Now, in the good old usa, Christians are on the way out, by . force..Do not folow the fools in th US & EU! The wole world is in a war with the muslims, & the muslims won't stop until there a re none left!!! Doesn't history teach you anything????????
There was a time prior to WW2 that in Vilnus, our native Capital, there were more Jewish Semites than native people and they were changing the character of our culture and land - it is interesting to see how now Jews are making the same arguments we repeatedly made to the governments about how the growing Jewish population was a threat to our national culture, language, religion and people.
You mean the one born out of the religous commandment that teaches: "and there shall be one law for you and the stranger in your midst." You mean the charactere formed by the commandment that commands that a day worker's wages shall not be held overnight? You mean the character formed by the God of Israel who admonished the People Israel to love the stranger in their midst 37 times? Ah, but they will respond, the Torah is not speaking of these Africans as the "strangers" but rather converts. But then here comes the rub. Israel is on the brink of a nationalist/religious law that will eliminate the reform and conservative converts so that these religioius commandments binding on every Jew will no longer pertain to them either. Always judge the moral fiber of a society or a religion by how it does treat the real stranger in their midst, of those who are not like the majority group, of those who are weak or powerless, the orphan, the widow, the stranger and you will find Israel miserably wanting, by any standard, so this latest pathetic bombast from netanyahu should not come as a surprise. Biblically we are taugth that God will vomit us out of the Land for immorality and that pack is led by those in this government of religious and nationalist pimps.
First and foremost the FM. His friends are limited to Shas. His admiring audience are vast. This is no off the shelf politician. A straight and brash fellow. Xenophobic, far right with strong beliefs. Judea,Samarra,Golan are his building blocks. PM Netanyahu has made his own beliefs known. Illegal aliens, deportations, keeping Israel Jewish. So, where is the difference, in essence they are the same fruit that fell from the old tree. The PM may well be articulate, diplomatic flair, with a well versed knowledge of International Affairs, whilst his FM has unknown qualities. Many a time, one begins to wonder, what is the true underlying problem with Israel Incorporated. Illegal African immigrants are not the problem, for they were allowed into Israel. The problem is, as always, as in the past, the government always leaves important issues until the last minute, the Oslo Accords and the future of Jerusalem, or even now the proximity talks, as usual chitter chatter that sends ones patience into low space orbit. Good day from sunny Swiss Alps.
In response to the prime minister's questionable statement that "illegal workers present a concrete threat to the Jewish and democratic character of the country", our leaders would do well to fully acknowledge a far more corrosive element in our society - those who avoid work, and who dodge their basic obligations to our society. They are the worst burden and the most painful reality threatening our national character.
African refugees are guests for Israelis, they are suvivor of genocide,they came to live peace and they share the same history of jews who experienced persecution in the West that today Mr Netanyahu is so pround of the name "Western" jews leaders should not forget their history. Israel should welcome African refugees, instead targeting them with hostile breaches in highest position of jewish value (PM). in israel there are so many immigrants who come different reason but Netanyahu did not talk about them , especially he pointed about Africans "Black" simply there is no threat agaist jewish character and democracy from African refugees ,but Netanyahu is simply Imply he is Ant-African Blacks and would like to keep Israel pure white race if it is possible. "Next " may any other dark skin claim they are threat to the Israeli character and security.
Don't be so racist and a-social! If such an idea will be proposed in other countries about the Jews than you'll scream about Anti-semiticem. Look at the mirror and don't do to others what you won't like to happen to you!!!
It's so hypocrite to speak like racist while complaining about anti-semitism. For a secular democracy there cannot be a "Jewish charachter". Maybe Iran would say sth. like this for "Islamic charachter" of the country.
Drug trafficking has become a real problem recently. I haven't had anything decent to smoke for months.
hahahaha .. loved this!
Israel needs to do everything possible to stop illegals getting into the country and it needs to deport all the ones who are here with or without children. Illegals are not just a threat to Israels jewish demographics but they harm the economy, they commit crime and tell the folks back home if you can just get into Israel your going to be living the good life much better than living in the dump we have back home earning $10 a week. If they have children Israeli taxpayers will pay to put them through school using up the limited budgets the schools have and increasing class sizes further. This country cannot afford illegals either economically or demographically so we need to start a campaign to clamp down, find and deport all illegals here it doesn't matter how many children they have and we need to do everything possible to stop more coming in. We need to build immigration camps where illegals will be treated humanely but locked up until the time comes to deport them not let them lose in society and trust their honesty to come forward for deportation when we are ready and at the same time not proper jails which is a waste of money and to extreme its what other countries do and it should not be compared to some kind of concentration camp. So far Israel has been a soft touch on illegals and its been abused and now instead of talking about deportation we have people campaigning to let give them citizenship because they can't bear the idea of deporting children. If we don't do something more and more parts of Israel will start to look like Tel Avivs central bus station and its surrounding area.
The Children you want to deport are Isrealis by birth right you know. Nathanyahu enjoyed American system of education and got american citizenship. who deported him? Do you know how many Israelis are in other part of Africa? what would happen if African country starts the same policy, would you not be crying Anty-semitizm!
What you should do is wall yourselves in, only Jews, of course, and not let anyone in or out. Expell the secular folk. Allow the most orthodox Rabbis make the rules. Rid yourselves of anyone but absolute Jews. Then call yourselves what you are: irrational, racist theocrats. You are no democracy and are a danger to the world.....you "special" people. Of course Haaretz willl not post this.
Israel's Orthodox community has become the Taliban. The Va'ad Hatznius beats, threatens and throws acid on any woman or person that is not modest or does not conform to orthodox Judaism. Wake up, Israel, before it is too late and you are another Iran or Saudi Arabia.
please, do build this wall. please build that wall between "real jews" and everyone else. please become more racist. please become so frothing at the mouth that even the US will withdraw support. perhaps then Israel can be brought to heel
Settlers, all being illegal, and the occupation forces that protect them, are not only a threat to the Palestinian identity in Palestine "West Bank", but also a threat to Palestinian lives, livelihood, independence, freedoms, health, education, social structure, etc. HAARETZ, please publish
With the history of terrorist attacks against Israel, Israel does not have a fence along the entire border with Egypt after all these years? What the hell is wrong with these people?
Immigrants from eastern Europe is noooooooooooooo problemo because they are white but Africans biiiiiiiiggggggggggg problemo because they are black !!!! can someone for God's sake explain "threat to Jewish character"
Many of those Eastern Europeans were Jewish and had some Jewish ancestry. In some cases, they had none at all, but to say all those Eastern Europeans were not Jewish is ridiculous. He said the Jewish character. However, what does Jewish character mean? Israel has the right to limit the amount of people from certain countries entering whether from Asia or Africa or Europe. Netanyahu's comments, though, sound racist.
IInfiltrators are illegal. How easy is it get a long term visa in Israel for a white non Jew- extremely difficult and almost impossible. And they enter with visa's and their own support system-medical insurance, and pay for everything. Illegally working? No, and Illegally entering, no chance - but these migrants do and then expect they have a "right" to stay- no such thing in Israel. Israel may be western but it's laws are not. Asylum seekers are a different category entirely but even this claim must be proven to be accepted and if found true must be helped and given legal standing. Most Africans here are not such though but come seeking a better life, while you can not blame them for trying, it does not make it right or legal. The law is the law and applies to all who enter Israel. Just because the are mostly from poor countries does not make it more right or legal- half the world is poor and even in West there are poor. Racism is a card too easily accused when trying to justify one's actions, little thoughts are given to the laws of the land or it's people, no one group has special rights over the other.
so let me get this straight, these illegal immigrants can infiltrate israel but hamas can't? something tells me hamas could but won't, it stays on it's land as it has always done, unlike israel who jumps the fence whenever it feels like.
Yes, Western countries do try to stem illegal immigration, but not because of religious reasons. No Western country is (racist) theocracy as Israel! Immigrants to Western countries don't have to pass a "purity" test as do immigrants to Israel... Germany hasn't insisted on "purity" test since the demise of Hitler!
You know, those folks we are supposed to be both wept with compassion for, and loath the Muslim government which persecutes them? Well, as soon as they listen to the propaganda from Israel and show up on it's doorstep, then they have to be clubbed at the border and persecuted for fleeing their Muslim persecutors. Welcome to Bibi Morals.
israel being a tiny country i don't think it can welcome many immigrants. That said, there are more subtle and correct ways of saying "nope" that "bi bi" should take PR classes in europe.
So let me get this straight, here in the U.S.the political discourse about illegal immigration is argued in economic terms, including the impact on our local, state and national economies. When the Nazi's talked about purity they talked about it in racial terms. When an Israeli prime minister talks about these things he talks about it as a threat to Israel's Jewish purity. Are the Arab Israeli's also a threat to the Jewish character of Israel? Or, is the Jewish character of Israel an undemocratic de jure and de facto threat to its Arab citizens.
to america plenty of room here
Traitors
on the moon, you can be perfectly happy in your Jewish-only state. But on earth, you are *always* going to be contaminated by all the rest of us non-Jewish (sub-)humans!
The Jewish people have no need to go to the Moon.God gave the Land of Israel to the Jewish people "Forever" Gen 17. Israel is the Only Country that God set the borders.It is the only piece of real estate on Earth in which God set the boundries.The only Nation on Earth that God made and gave to the Jews "Forever" All other Nationas were created by man.
antisemite!
I think my mother can actually grow strawberries of a size of a fist on any hard surface... as long as rockets are not disturbing the production of fertilizer by cows. She also has advanced degree in math, but that would hardly be useful for the first generation of settlers. I often think that Moon colony would do well. But then I think about all those proud guys running the stage and I don't feel like joining their ranks anytime soon.
If you really believe this non-sense you write, then there is no god than can help you
You're being too harsh on yourself.
Is to grant these people amnesty, and give them a path to citizenship.
israel will be flooded with millions of immigrants that will result in yet another failed state, which is the norm in africa.... we don't want that here and it solves nothing. in any case, these people are NOT refugees, but "gold seekers"...
Egypt shoots African illegal infiltrators dead - Israel simply wants to expel them. There is but one tiny Jewish state - how many muslim states? how many African states? Israel has already gone to great efforts, danger & cost to free & support Ethiopian Jews. What have arab states done to help Africans - even muslim Africans? Israel is too small to become destination for all refugees.
You can not use this argument. Who's fault is it if jews didn't have their own empire like the ottomans? Why ottomans? because all these "muslim" countries come from the ottoman empire. Wo who's fault is it if jews didn't have something similar going for them? Why
if they convert to Judaism...by an appropriately Orthodox rabbi, of course! Then they wouldn't be a threat to the Jewish character of Israel.
As for the "what have arab states done?", Israel has the main land border with continental Africa, so I think that the amount of Africans rocking up in Israel has more to do with basic geography than anything else.
Do you live in the jewish binary world where there are Jews (a la aryan) and the rest, non-jews, gentiles (non-Aryan?) - I mean, how many full aryan states are there? Not one.
Your name and your politics contradict each other. And as for your argument, what can I say? It would be interesting to hear your theory on the 'demographic problem' that Israel has. Why not solve it with Africans? But I do agree that the rest of the world is also crappy on this issue, just like they were when my family couldn't escape from Poland.
What Netanyahu means to say is that African blacks are a threat to the "white" character of Israel as a white Jewish state. I don't think those Africans are much welcome in Israel even if they are Jews. Just ask some black Falashas now living in Israel! I think it is pigmentation problem that Bibi is trying to highlight.
Beauty or color of race is skin deep only. So don't be afraid of the color of the Jewish State (why not a secular Israel by the way). The important thing is not the color of the skin but the mentality.
That's even worse. What the hell is this, it's okay for israel to be racist?
On the button.The inherent logic of apartheid is unfolding.Israel now fears it will suffer the fate of its Palestinian victims.
at least unlike malaysia, churches and Hindu and Buddhists temples are burned in the hundreds every year by Jihadist terrorists. Malaysia also has strict religious apartheid, not allowing Hindus, Buddhists or Christians - or atheist Muslims for that matter- to have equal rights!!! If you want to champion human rights, start in your own country!
Nope! We don't burn churches and Hindu and Buddhist and Hindu temples in Malaysia! It's all a figment of your imagination to justify Israeli atrocities against Palestinians. We have 11 non-Muslim Ministers in our current Cabinet out of a total of 31, including Christians, Hindus and Buddhists, including Chinese and Indians. How many Muslims in Israel's Cabinet? And Malaysia is certainly not built on stolen land based on a religion's 2000-year history and the expulsion of peoples of other religions the way Israel is built on stolen Arab land and the expulsion of Palestinian Muslims and Christians. And one can't be an atheist and a Muslim at the same time! How much dumber you can be and you certainly knows nothing about Malaysia. Yeah, keep digging out other countries' faults when they point out Israel's excesses: Turkey's problems with Kurds, America's problems with Native Americans and Blacks, Egypt's problems with Copts, Malaysia's problems with Hindus and Buddhists,..blah, blah, blah! Typical Israeli Jews, always wanting to justify their excesses at all costs as if the world will be blinded by it.
Illegal African immigrants have been everywhere and they have never posed any threat to any country's demographic formation. Is the Jewish character so vulnerable?
Apparently, Nut an yahoo does not believe in HaShem standing by todays Israel. No matter how much he poses as a "religious" person by educating his children.
Are ou calling the US President a "Poor, Dumb African"? - thats terrible. "Illegal" you dumb shmuck is "Illegal" or dont you understand that
Are ou calling the US President a "Poor, Dumb African"? - thats terrible. "Illegal" you dumb shmuck is "Illegal" or dont you understand that
Not dumb.Just dispossessed by European imperial plunder.The Jews should recognise the syndrome.
NOTE: he says 'Africans' a threat. Netanyahu ABSOLUTELY HATES OBAMA WHO IS SMARTER THAN HIM.
Ok Bibi, that's fair, but first you have to define those borders!
They "penetrate" them with nary a thought....
the "jewish and democratic character" i mean. it's a threat to the jewish character, not the democratic one. a democracy can exist no matter how many black people are in the country, bibi. stop disguising your racism as "western values".
Which part of Jewish homeland do you not understand, so in Zimbabwe it is OK to take away white mans farm, but god forbid a black comes to Israel and all hell brakes loose. You are a hipocrite.
to be there ,Romania is a member of EU. Their camps are buldozed in Italy and Danish police no looger than 2 weeks ago expelled dozens of Gypsies ,whose only crime was sleeping in an abandonned building in Copenhagen. Those blaming Israel should show the way ,accept Gypsies ,not to mention the Sudanese
it's ROMA or ROMANI. not ROMANIAN. most gypsies are not romanian, the word "romani" just means "man" in their language.
There is nothing wrong with this expression. They are a minority in Romania, differ from Roamanian but they are Romanian gypsies with a Romanian passport and nationality (citizenship) as there are other gypsies from other countries with their respective attributes.. The same applies for instance to Germans native of Romania that should be normally designated as Romanian Germans.
AbsoluteSweden was referring to ROMA (or Gypsies) living in the country of Romania... there, therefore ... Romanian Gypsies.
And are deported to Romania.
Great minds work alike! Now you see what it is like to have countless undocumented immigrants streaming across your border, using your benefits, sending your currency back home, taking your jobs, etc. So build the fence AND patrol it. Make the egypptians send the trespassers back since they didn't stop them while they were in the Sinai. If they make it across the fence, treat them with dignity and do not deny them justice. Then deport them if they will not accept your pledge and oath of allegiance.
Imagine if an American President said such a racist, xenophobic and unconscionable thing. Israel is so juvenile and hateful. The exceptionalism is eating Israel alive.
Racial profiling belongs in history
That America was created as a secular, multi-racial, and democratic state, but Israel was created as a Jewish homeland. See the difference?
So if the US decided to become a Christian nation and began to treat Jews the way Israel treats Palestinians, it'd be OK right?
america was founded as a british colony for a breakaway christian sect. it became democratic over a century later, and didn't become truly multiracial/multireligious until over a century after THAT. who knows, perhaps israel will follow the same trend?
but the same people are against illegal immigration for Israel. Their hypocrisy gives me a headache.
So let them convert.
why so many muslims in israel then
Yes, we do see the difference. It is at the origin of all the problems and the ethnic cleansing in the ME. Racism, isn't it?.
I guess Israel is not that different from Iran!!?? Well, one difference is Iran doesn't occupy and imprison a whole population and practice apartheid against them based on religion and race (even Jewish Iranians), Israel DOES. Another difference is Iran is constantly bombarded with sanctions threats by the West while Israel pretty much gets a carte blanche (or a slap on the wrist at worst). Israel has to decide whether it wants to be a democratic and civilized country or one that is no different than any hegemonic state in the Middle East.
Yes, I do see: always special dispensation demanded by jews
Dude. Learn the facts or be silent.
In other words, you are ignorant racist hating Israel and Jewish nation. The good thing is you are ignorant and speaking from someone else's words. Once you find time to learn better on your own, you might actually learn how exactly "Israel treats" Arab citizens and Arab Israeli neighbors. And once ( and if ) they ever do create Palestine, you might even find out how Israel treats Palestinians.
America has a secular government (because you must in a democracy, Israel is still not getting this) but it is a Christian nation (over 75% of the population is Christian) - if it because overtly Christian, by law, as in say, England, I am sure that these same people who advocate for a "Jewish state" would complain because of how they by default would be viewed at. They want to be treated in a way that they would not want to treat other in Palestine.
non-whites didn't arrive in large numbers until 1970.
You are absolutely right and it is exactely the same in Europe (i.e. the UK, France, etc.) : most Jews are from the far-left but regarding Israel, suddenly, most of them are from the far right. That disguts me !
No, I see the hypocrisy.
If such a fence is created and manned it would not only increase the security of the state in regards to illegal immigration and terrorists but also deliver a devastating for drug trafficking. Such a fence is full of advantages.
I agree, I work in the Bronx and when I visit Israel I don't want to feel like I'm back in the Bronx.
neither you nor we would feel like living in Bronx...
I just happen to notice some stark trends when you compare a frum Jewish neighborhood to a Hispanic or Black neighborhood.
I hate going to Palestine and feeling like i'm back in the oy vey NYC region :) I mean, its not like they are the most beloved people on the planet, quite the contrary, for a reason. Or even when I go to Europe, get sick at seeing the Jewish neighborhoods, feel like im in the upper west side of Manhattan - so in a way, I concur with you. ;)
What if that frum Jewish neighborhood is Hispanic or Black?
Both you and Sam make no sense. First of all, these are illigals and should be deported like the Mexicans in USA. Second, you go hang out in the Bronx or Africa and I'll hang out in the "Jewish neighborhoods, feel like im in the upper west side of Manhattan." We will see who leaves with their wallet. ;)
First it was the wall in the West Bank, now it is a fence with Egypt. Tomorrow it will be one with Lebanon. Who knows, maybe we shall see fencing of the Medditerranean. You know, just to be on the safe side. Sea water might dilute Jewish identity of the coastal towns. Or prehaps there will be a wall between southern and northern Tel Aviv? I am sorry to break it to you, but not country in the world is a demographic island. There will always be foreigners in any country. Various ethnic groups, and people of different race. No amount of fences or walls will stop that. What Israel can do is strengthen it's cultural identity. That way those who arrive in Israel will want to identify with the country, and will integrate into society as good, hard working Israelis. Turning a country into self-made ghetto will not solve the problem.
Fences are good, maybe we will at last know where the israeli borders are.
and then the work will be finally finished.
Otherwise you're just chattering w/ no idea of what you're talking about.
Hope they implement whatever measures are deemed necessary. I wish we in the US could adopt such a firm policy with regards to our sovereignty.
And where does that come in? I know Israeli's use that word constantly in contexts where it is unnecessary, but please explain as an American: How do illegal immigrants threaten US 'sovereignty'?
You know who you want to keep out of the USA. We can infer it from your posting. Admit it, you hate those people. You hate their culture. You hate their food. You hate everything about them. But I am telling you building a fence will not keep Canadians out of our country.
and there was no uproar whatsoever.
Every country has immigration laws and Israel's no different. You hypocrites forget to make noise after Egypt shoots above escapees.
Regardless, we should monitor our borders and have an immigration policy. Obviously people cant just come in without anyone knowing.
Remember? 6 million dead Jews later.... That's one reason Israel MUST have secured borders and legal citizens.
Maybe Israel can use the Palestinians to stop the 'foreign invasion' ... we all know how they feel about the subject. They have 'hands-on experience' and are dedicated to 'stick-it-out till the end ! Build-up a good relationship as equals. (So sorry Mr. Brown ... we will have to resolve your problem another day). Shalom
It seems so obvious, Israels enemy is itself. If nobody hired these people, and I'm sure there are laws on the books, then they wouldn't come.
You said "People" so they are human beings and have equal rights and dignity as you do. and most israeli 99% are aware of that. so they will get some one hire them and humanity is above the law of specific group.
Israel could spend a couple of billion on a fence (and most likely bill America), and a week after its completion, there will be tunnels and other work arounds. The American border with Mexico is one of the most well guarded borders in the world, and yet thousands of illegals pass through every month, along with drugs, guns, and money. The big question is not how to keep the goyim out. The big question is why the goyim want to go to Israel in the first place. It's kind of like a mouse crashing a cat convention.
The fence in the West Bank saved thousands of lives, and stopped suicide bombings. Before the fence was built the Palestinians were killing more Israeli Civilians then vica versa ( which of course meant that during that time you were a firm supporter of Israel). Since the wall was built the bombings stopped
They obviously know something you don't know
The American border with Mexico is not well guarded at all. Not enough border agents, flimsy fence. By the way; the fence around Gaza seems to be working fairly well. Only one or two serious breeches.
They think G-d made a mistake by giving the Promised land to Jews, they want it for themselves as does almost everybody.
Quote "The American border with Mexico is one of the most well guarded borders in the world." You must be kidding, what planet are you on? The U.S. / Mexico border is more porous than a sponge, if it were as well guarded as you claim, then we wouldn't have all the illegal immigrants, drugs, etc. etc. As to why all the Africans want to go to Israel? Simple, It is the only place in the Middle East where they will be treated humanely and not like slaves or animals.
Israelis will never outgrow the ghetto mentality.
Why the confusion you are not a Western country you are a Middle Eastern country.
Middle East - phsycopathic Islamic nuts. No, I think a western civilization is more like it
Israel should not turn away a single refugee.
this is disgusting. israel exists because jewish refugees had nowhere to turn. so, because israel's jewish "character" is so important the very people that had nowhere to turn are refusing entry to today's refugees. is maintaining a nice jewish culture worth more than people's lives?
We shouldn't monitor our own boarders, let anyone pass in without a check and a passport, and have an immigration policy, are you? Good.
that biggot could have used others words than "thread to "israel's jewish" character" Since when there are atheistic jews?
You never shed a tear for our dead, why should we care about you or your illegals?
waaaaaa you hold onto the past, it's gone! it's over! you've made it to the promised land and you STILL complain about slavery in egypt! rejoice! besides, all people are the same. the majority of any group sucks. i mean, i bet everyone you like is a republican just like you.
Sounds like racist people in Arizona ... It is only illegal because you do not want those peoplehere , there and everywhere.What does a threat to Israel's Jewish Character even mean???? You wnat foreigners to come wipe your ass for a meager living but not dare to live there.....
Don't you get it, let them stay in there flourishing eutopia of Africa, WE DO NOT WANT THEM
Since when ? We don't call turkey a western country cause of it's violating all the human rights. Why should it be any diffrent with Israel.
With all its hate between French and Dutch and wogs in the middle?
idk why he always says this. israel is a middle eastern country, always has been always will be. turkey is more european than israel is. sort of hilarious how they're so desperate to become part of europe, the very place that many of them fled from.
Typical... show others in order to make it "alright" for yourself
I've spent my life fighting people like you. There are no words to express my disgust. People like you were responsible for millenia of persecuting jews. take a holiday to sudan, and see what these people are running from.
The people are indeed bad, but the cause shouldnt be maligned. unrestricted immigration will ruin any nation. if they had a 1 year stay program, maybe some clinics to get these people's lives back in a limited amount of time, i'd laud their charity. which is why the people implementing the whole process SUCK. it would be comparable in cost to training BA individuals in combat and weapons.
Yes there much be border control but in which can illigal workers affect the Jewish way ?For there are also many illigal russian khazars in Israel pertending of being Jews ! First of all , what is the Jewish way for you Mr Prime minister ? White in skin or what else ? If it is for the security I might agree for a strong border control ! But for the race keep it open !
True hebrews have darker skin, like me, but unfortunately most people dont read and study that part of Torah=)
Good point but you should have supplied the Book Chapter and verse ! Baruch Hashem
your still a chosen person, G-d will take care of you :) you have my support!
Yes infiltration is a real problem and has to be dealt with for a number of reasons, security being just one. BUT there is no need to couche it in terms of "the Jewish and democratic character of the country". This sort of language is racist and in itself threat to the democratic nature of the country.
And the current religious characteristic of the country is indeed a concern.
it totally is racist. but then again everyone is racist, so why lie? this causes dissonance and stresses people out. just be like, hey! we rock, you envy us, and we don't like you because you suck. i mean, what's the harm really? are they gonna be MAD at you? oh no! heaven forbid someone get mad at israel. dude, everyone hates your country anyways. tell them to shove it and do what you want. but don't lie about it. live in (exclusive if that's what you want) harmony!
Is there any way Israel replaces this senile individual with Lieberman as PM?
... or this is yet another example of his racist instinct.
join the planet ;)
but true.
The situation is similar to USA -Mexico border and politics of it is very simple. American and Israeli ruling class wants cheep labor force that does't have any legal rights. This is an eqivalent of disposable one time use thing, like a plastic plate or a fork, you use it and throw it a way when you are done and no longer need it. And you will make a lot of money too.
that Mexican are indigenous to the north american continent - and the south west were many of these racist laws are applied were a part of Mexico, hence the Spanish names - the US government encourage migration there by white settlers so that what happened would happen, aquisition of the land, now, the reverse is happening, but unlike Africans in Israel, Mexican ARE FROM NORTH AMERICA - heck, their culture and history in the region goes back thousands of years and their ancestors established the first civilization in all of the Americas (Olmecs).
no difference. mexicans are the product of spanish europeans (visigothic and arab mix if you want to go needlessly far back) and native americans. Since we can't tell which is majority, we go 50-50. (i personally believe it to be more 90 euro 10 native, since disease killed 90 percent of native americans alone) In fact, these situations are identical. The Ashkenazi are Europeans. On top of that they rule the native jewish sephard. Um, what was that little experiment with radiation on sephardic schoolchildren? please, they probably have less loyalty than the africans. basically, this is a debate dancing around eugenics. I'm not judging. Take a democratic vote and live with choice, the rest of the world will. I mean, you have nukes, and they're on dolphin class subs, meaning your invincible really. If your a republican, you're probably tempted to slur me.
"Spanish names" Ahh the irony . . . . The very word Mexican means mixed race. Mexico is a country not a ethnic race.