More than 1,000 march to mark two years since Shfaram attack

The ones who revere him as a just person and a martyr and have made his tomb a holy place. Do you deny there are such? Are they not Israeli?

Yes. However, why do you ask the question?

NATO forces in Afgahnistan have killed more than 250 civilians this year. Why don't you write to BBC, LeMond, Der Spegel, etc and ask them to bring those evil soldiers to justice? Or do your concerns extend to Plas only?

"if it were Pal bulldozers destroying Jewish homes, or Pal Border Guards victimising Jews for fun, or Pal `settlers` grabbing water and land from Jews, I`d be shoulder to shoulder with you" first of all, you are about 40 years late, Arabs have expelled the Jews from all Arab nations really quickly and without waisting any emotions soon after Israel was created. Second of all, when Pal terrorists kill Jews in malls, dancing clubs, and holiday celebrations, isn't that enough? Pals can walk without fear in any of the Israeli towns, while Jews are lynched by the ordinary Arabs. Do you remember the three boys whose heads were smashed with rocks by the Pal shepherds? Water and land can be and have been given back, the homes can be rebuilt, Border guards punished, but what about hatred that has existed in the Arab hearts since way before Israel was borne?

Esther wrote he is our disgrace and shame. So why do you insist he was "feted by Israelis"? Which Israelis are you talking of? I certainly never feted either Goldstain or Zada. No streets or football teams were named after them and there are no celebrations in their memory. So what actually are you referring to?

One of Israel's main problems with the PA over the years was/is that the authorities neve once arrested, tried and sentences known terrorists who were responsible for planning/ perpetrating the most vile crims against Israelis. One of the commitments the PA made at Oslo was to arrest such murderers and reign in terrorists. This was never done. Why don't you have any objections to that?

Goldstein is not feted by anyone - his memory is blessed by those who knew him personally and his family. There is no stret or football team named after him, not is there a national day of remembracnce. It is an entirely personal and private matter. The same for zada. Their families loved them but they certainly acted alone without afficilation to any one - especially not to any national or state body - who consistently condemned their actions, as did all Israelis. Palestinian terrorists on the other hand are feted, lauded and their actions celebrated. Pleae don't try to find any equivalence. The fact that there are not more than one handful of names of Jewish terrorists should be telling you something. But the fact is you're not listening.

"The PA call for the murder of all Jews" - And the Israel state denied the existence of all Palestinians and openly supported a policy that would bring on their genocide. Now you tell me again how the Palestinians are the evil side and the Israel's reputation have been nothing but good. You seem to think that the animosity from the two sides comes to nothing but the fact that Arabs are mere terrorists. No surprise to see you are from the USA.

I doubt whether the Talmud or the New Testament would back up your clam, especially not with regard to the past 150 years. If Jesus Christ was a Jew, how does the Old Testament back your claim of Arab ownership?

You and your kind had your chance to stand "shoulder to shoulder" with the Jewish people when they were weak, and we saw the result. We saw how the British refused to take action when Jews being carted off to death camps, not even to bomb the railway lines. We saw the ineptitude of the Red Cross. We saw how the British turned back Jewish refugees to Nazi-occupied Europe or herded them into internment camps, or attacked refugee ships, e.g. Cap Arcona, Exodus, and others. We saw how after the war, Bevin put the boot in to make sure to hit the Jews "where it hurts the most, in their pockets". We saw how almost all the survivors at Bergen Belsen 'displaced persons camp' died from disease because they couldn't leave. Yes, sure you stand 'shoulder to shoulder', with the sworn enemies of the Jewish people.

Who still has not understood this, will get a lesson from me, the almighty ZIONIZER! I'll be back in second, just have to go to throw up.

What nonsense! By your reasoning, the fact that there was no mention of the United States before 1776 means that there is no United States. Nations come into being and then must be dealt with.

Was this young man a member of an orginization trying to wipe the palastinians of the face of the map? Did the people of Israel sing and dance and make him a hero and martyr to be honoured and looked up to? I think not!

But only Palestinians argue they have existed as a nation continuosly for thousans of years.

When was the last time you saw israelis marching to mark the day of a suicide attack. if they did they would have to do a lot of marching. and i dont recall seeing any israelis burning palestinian flags. the israeli arabs have it way better in israel than in any other arab country in the world. i have many israeli arab friends who love living in israel.

Please find one single reference to Jordanians, Iraqis or Kuwaitis in the 19th century, and let me know. They were all British creations as well. Does this mean these countries should not exist ? BTW, it may be one of the reasons why the U.S. been doing its best to destroy Iraq.

Wouldn,t it be nice to see a demonstration protesting the unlawful killing of Jewish Israelis by Arabs,the burning of Hamas and Fatah emblems and the like.

If those people in Israel fete him, then by definition he IS feted in Israel. Think before you post.

Jews militants deserve from Haaretz same respect showed toward Hamas ! Not Terrorist MILITANT !!!!!!!!!!!!

Scotfree was probably not the best term; he probably would have gotten some token sentence like six months. Palestinians are, after all, not people in the sense that Jews are (in the Israeli justice system).

I am not that well familiar with the New Testament. Maybe you could appoint me to a specific place where ARABS are mentioned in that book (I have a copy), and I will look it up. I assume you are familiar with the geography of the region, well the name Arab Peninsula implies that this is the land the belongs to Arabs! The rest of the Middle East was conquered, people were subjugated and forced to convert to Islam. Babylonians, Assyrians, Palestinians (the real ones) peoples who populated that region together with the Jews seized to exist thanks to that conquest.

Shabat Shalom Don, The entire issue of land ownership and sale and transfers are clouded in overlapping histories and mysteriies of the Egytian and Ottoman Empires, the very concept of family land ownership among the Palestinians, and deeds of sale and transfer as well as seizures, double dealing and sloppy record keeping. That there were swindles and gross larceny and evil unfairness is true, but then again the root causes that allowed for that go very deep in the hell hole of manipulated prejudice on everyones part. Enough is enough. What can be sorted out hopefully will be sorted out and hopefully not the way the current distribution of appropriated Shoah survivors benes are being handled. You are a true heart Don. Rock on Habibi!

..there were kippot groups around his grave praising him. But I take your point Esther. All I'm saying is that as a goy it is really hard for me to accept that the Israeli Government really wants a peaceful and fair and just solution with the Pals, when it instructs its Army and Police to do nothing when these extremist settlers attack local Pals. Why on earth does your Govt tolerate these provocative and aggressive settlers who are there illegaly anyway - why aren't they removed - or made to become Palestinian Jews perhaps?

You sau your governance deals with such ills but it doesn't - it really does not. In no other liberal democratic country would a High Court or Supreme Court order be ignored by Army Commanders. That kind of behaviour is the beginning of the end. And its already happening in Israel. My interest in the region is not an obsession but of long standing humanitarian interest going back to 1986 when analysing the first Intifada and its reasons. And the more i have learned and experienced, Rami, the clearer it is that the Governmentof Israel (not its peoples) is not acting in good faith when it comes to the Territories. I've said many times on this forum that if it were Pal bulldozers destroying Jewish homes, or Pal Border Guards victimising Jews for fun, or Pal 'settlers' grabbing water and land from Jews, I'd be shoulder to shoulder with you. But its the other way around.

PS Zionist bought land from Ottoman lanlords in Damascus, when there were no Palestinians. Find one single reference to Palestinians in 19th century (unless they were Jews).

Yes, Jews are terrorists--remember Goldstein. Arabs who do worst are militants. I'm surprised they don;t go so far as they do in the West as to call them freedom fighters. They arrest and keep anyone on the right forsome vague reason but Arabs--they get away with murder. And if by chance they are arrested some Israeli left wing lawyer will plead their case often gratis and if they are convicted they then get freed in a prisoner exchange (exchange for some vague promise) That's Israeli justice I guess it is blind in Israel They will arrest Mrs. Marae

How you can possibly compare Truman, Bush, et al to Zada's cowardly murderous actions is beyond me. Be careful, the evil you hate might be staring back at you in the mirror.

I agree with the designation of Zada as a terrorist. He committed an evil despicable act and is worthy of the terrorist moniker which Haaretz gave him. However how come so many times Haaretz refers to Arabs who committ the same kinds of terrible acts as militants? Why the double standard?

Eden was not terrorist, he was a young man who lost control knowing how many Israelis where killed by suicide Arab Terror formation, knowing that no any Israeli Arabs expressed condemnation of terror on part of Hamas and others and id not do nothing to prevent such events. Mob killed Eden instead to turn him to Police. Arab mob acted also on basis of their emotional distortion. Israeli Arabs instead to march must put efforts to stop Hamas and others terror activity.

"Why is he, a mass-murderer, feted as a national hero in Israel?" Don Camillo, whereas I agree with many of your sentiments, surely you know that the above quotation is both untrue and contentious? Goldstein is "feted" only by the most reactionary of the settlers, and it is an evil calumny to state that he is a "national hero", knowing that this is not the case. He is our national shame and disgrace.

Jerusalem is Jewish and will never belong to any muslim or arab, your Mohamed is a fake prophet, muslim have no claim on Jerusalem since arabs did not exists when Jerusalem was established, go visit Father Zakaria at fatherzakaria.net the Egyptian Coptic Priest that escaped prosecution because he is telling the truth and spoke to expose your fake mohamad.

otherwise folk might question your right to pontificate thousands of miles away in affluent Noo York - it's a question of credibility. By the way if you care to look at the Talmud and the New Testament I think you'll find that land ownership is Arab historically - and certainly in the last 150 years - or do you think the Zionist Foundation was buying the land from the Martians?

"How can one not defend the locals killing him when one realizes that if they hadn`t, he would have gotten away scotfree? " How can you assume that he would get away free without a trial. It's unbelivable to understand your way of thinking. Can you show me an exaple of in Israeli justice system that a men had been trialed with this accusation get away free? I believe in the justice system in Israel. Without a trial you can say nothing wrong about our justice system. Is this REALISM ? By the way please next time when you respond tell us where are you from. Aby

don't obey it, charges are pressed against them, as done in any country in which law enforcement and courts play a role. You may list many ills in our coutry - not yours! - as you may in any other country. Yet, we have the mechanism to deal with such ills; it is call governance. Now, why are you, a non-Jew and a non-Israel or an Arab so obsessed with matters related to the Jewish state? Is it because you derive pleasure from being critical of everything Israeli and Jewish, honestly??

You "fffff" moron! Prophet Mohammed's sons died in thir early years of childhood. The level of stupdity and ignorance from many on these forums amaaze me.

misguided youth,who must have been driven to desperation by zionist propaganda & his government's and surrounding zionists incitements. Posters raise the valid question:do jews ever get punished for the murder of Arabs?If so,not many would be left outside of jail. We read of the frequent shooting deaths of Palestinians by the IDF in the West Bank & Gaza.Recently,a civilian was shot to death & yesterday a 17 year old unarmed teenager shot in the chest and killed.The IDF has still no explanation.And yes,there would be a slap on the wrist and end of story.

For the sole reason they are Jews and not Muslim, 10,000 Jews were forced into poverty - ruthlessly evicted from JEWISH Land in Gaza and north Samaria - Land that NEVER belonged to Arabs. The Jews are financially obligated to pay the mortgages on the homes that Israel destroyed! That is evil. Jewish land and assets were seized as booty for Islam - for the terrorists who fired over 6,000 rockets at Jewish towns in Gush Katif. Muslim mobs celebrated by DESECRATING and destroying sacred Gaza synagogues-the holy places where G-D was honored.

You are dreaming Jerusalem is Jewish before any Arabs or Pals ever existed, you arabs muslims think mohamed flew and came to the dome of the rock because muslim knew that judaisim will triunph at the end after building Beth Hamikdash again,. the conquiring arabs purposly build the mosque on top of it, mohamad your fake prophit was a padifier and a womanizer , he screwed his son's wife after he forced him to divorce her so he can have her for himself to fffff her, what kind of a pophet or religion is this.

free the Zada stoppers for they were only preventing further killings by this Jewish terrorist. If an Arab kills 4 Jews on a bus and other Jews kill the Arab, will the Jews be arrested?

It is urgent the public is educated via flyers and speeches regarding the cruel persecution and jailing of Jews who defend themselves from violent Arab Muslim attackers-ISRAELNATIONALNEWS article: Nissim Kurkus of Jerusalem. He was attacked by a group of Bethelehem Arabs, who wounded him in his head with knives and other means. He fought back and stabbed to death one of his attackers - and was ordered placed in an Israeli Prison Service psychiatric hospital for nine years. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/122988 It is Israeli government policy to persecute Jews who defend against Muslim attackers: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/123107

Eden Natan-Zada should definitely been indited for second degree murder as he was killed without premeditation in the heat of passion. And as for the use of the word "terrorist", it should be applied to anyone or group that "terrorizes" others: suicide bombers, rocket launchers and certainly the IDF when they use Apache helicopters, bulldozers and cluster bombs to kill civilians. They all create terror.

Palestinian Authority security services - US/EU terrorist favorites have murdered more Jews than Hamas. There is NO punishment for mass murder of Jews - there are massive REWARDS of billions of dollars of US/EU tax dollars, arming and training the PA/PLO terrorists and gifts of Jewish land and assets. Broadcast from Gaza mosque, Oct 13 2000, Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya, on Palestinian Authority TV (transcribed by Memri): "Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Jews and those Americans who are like them..."

Examples: Army HIgh Command ignores High Court ruling to allow Pals to walk down one street in Hebron, and ignores further rulings to evacuate illegal settlement expansion in Old Hebron. Jerusalem Council demolishes Pal homes with no planning permission but not Jewish ones. Police never arrest any settler in Hebron for acts of violence or criminal damage. IPB thugs can beat up and harass Pal youths and get away with it. No charges of assault follow. It is virtually impossible for an IBP or IDF soldier to commit murder.

and Olmert caves again as did the AG!!!!

What kind of justice do you pursue? You must go to scholl and get some education about justice. It is totaly wrong not to be brought the mobers to trial. Punishment can be given only by the state not by the individuals.

A Hamas fighter. An Islamic Jihad Militant. An Al Aqsa Marty Brigade Militant. A Jewish Terrorist. You make me want to vomit. Why not change the paper from Ha'aretz' to 'Al Naqba'?

How can one not defend the locals killing him when one realizes that if they hadn't, he would have gotten away scotfree? Do you really think he would have gotten any meaningful punishment from the Israeli justice system?

Jerusalem belongs to Palestinians and will revert to them sooner or later.

different civilization. Murder is murder is murder, whether the name of the murderer is Goldstein or Hussein, and the murder by both, in a liberal democratic country, should be properly investigated and if there is enough evidence the accused should be brought a court of justice. The Jewish state of Israel is a country ruled by law, as all liberal democracies are, and if Arabs in my country - probably not yours! - wishing to change this situation they are welcome to move over to any of the Arab neighboring states and live there according to their standards.

some names of terrorists who became prime ministers george washington,archbishop makarios ,jomo kemyatta,pandit nehru, mugabe , mandella , saddam hussein ,arafat,abbas,de valera ,fidel castro the list is endless!!

No one is defending him but the man who has committed this crimes had been mobed by the Arabs. If you are defending the mobing you are equally guilty as the mobing Arabs. Shame on you that you are defending the mobing. If we are not Banana republic This mober Arabs must be trialed get the deserved punishment. Aby

and as he fails to understand reality ill give him some examples !! bomber harris killed around 800,000 civillians but was not on trial at nuremburg harry truman killed 1 million japanese civillians but was not ontrial at nuremburg ! george bush has killed around 500, 000 iraqis but is not on trial wwith the terrorists who attacked the usa ! its the winner who is not on trial don he tries the loser ! moral of the story dont start if you cant win !!

They love Jewish terrorists. They hate Arab terrorists. Menachem Begin started off as a terrorist and ended up as Israels prime minister. Perhaps this Natan Zada character was PM material, although his actions were not very bright.

Notice that according to Haaretz, anyone who is not a secular leftist (like Haaretz) is a "far right activist". Ridiculous.

I fail to understand your 'moral' outrage at what you see as a lack of justice. Do you think it wrong that Natan-Zada's killers are not brought to justice? Is your indignation triggered by your moral conscience for the need for right and justice? If so, when Baruch Goldstein machine-gunned all those at prayer in Hebron - why wasn't his home demolished in line with the IDF's policy of collective punishment? Why is he, a mass-murderer, feted as a national hero in Israel? Please answer.

not OK to murder an Arab? The truth is, murder is murder is murder and murderers should be brought to justice. If Arabs don't understand it, not only do they belong to a different civilization but they seem to live in a different centuries, several centuries back.

Would Israel allow the Hamas to protest in Jerusalim, on the memorial day of a suicide attack, in praise of the suicide bomber. I doubt it.

this man committed one of the most despicable crimes imaginable and there are people on here actually defending him. it sounds like there are a few potential natan zata's writing to this forum. shame on anyone comes to this dead man's side whose soul is no doubt rotting somewhere far below

"HE KILLED RANDOM ARAB THUGS" the two young women that he killed were thugs? the bus driver was a thug to? why don't you just admit that you think every Arab life is worth nothing and that Jews have the right to kill any Arab they want. your right you are stupid

If you're Arab, then you're a "militant." If you're Jewish, then you're a terrorist.

I think this is a first. Hama..I mean Haaretz usually uses the word "militant" or "operative." Of course when it comes to attacking Jews, Haaretz will always step up to the plate. Arab propaganda at its best.

1. Please specify which Jews and the offenses for which they are held. 2. As to treating Jews more harshly, what percent of those held under administrative detention are Jewish? 3. How many Jews had Israel tortured while held?

Surely our liberal,friends at haaretz should at least call Natan Zada (of blessed memory) a militant and not a terrorist? Or are their double standards soooooooooo obvious that they call PLO vermin who strap bombs and blow up babies militants but a lone man who may or maynt have intented to kill some random arab thugs they call a terrorist?To haaretz the PLO and hamas are only militants. the blood they spill is only lowly jewish blood- is their justification. The fact that he was lynched to death leads credence to the view that he acted in self-defence from a mad mob in the first place! Even if he did act intentionally- that there are only one or two jews who take revenge after the tens of thousands of arab murders,bombing shootings missile attacks etc - shows just how stupid we jews are - if we were we wouldnt let the arabs and their lefty friends drag us to national suicide so easily.....

Well, you may have noticed that even though Israel recently released hundreds of Arab terrorists, they refused to release Jewish terrorists that did not actually hurt anyone. So, we see that Israel often treats Jews convicted of terrorist acts more severely than Arabs. So.... Be Real, Mr.(or Ms.) Realism

They had a choice between beating him to death or seeing Israel slap him on the wrist when he got home. Does anyone believe Israel would have punished him in any meaningful way?

Yes, the bus that was hijacked on the coastal road and then stormed by the IDF and a terrorist was removed alive from the bus and later died. What an uproar ! In this case a Jewish terrorist is arrested and handcuffed by the police and left for a mob to kill him, no outrage ? the police and the murderers are not standing trial ? Why the anti-semetic double standard ?

It looks like the authorities will not allow the demonstration for fear of riots. Oh the irony. Many of the same groups successfully shut down the gay pride parade in Jerusalem last year by looking like they would riot. This year's pride parade was severely shortened and nearly shut down for the same reason. Meanwhile, the far-right activists railed against the parade stating, amongst other things, that the cost of protecting the parade would be prohibitively high. Would not the protection for this protest also be prohbitively high? The reality, however, is that Israel is a deomocracy under the rule of law, and legal peaceful demonstrations, no matter how much they upset the people around them, must be allowed with police protection.

on the same side,quelle surprise.

When Israel arrested people at the site of the murder, Israeli-Arabs threatened Israel with dire consequences if an indictment and trial went forward. just like the Mob telling the police- 'Better you just forget about this one'. At least with the Mob you get a little envelope of cash for turning your eyes away. What Natan-Zada did was wrong but it was an individual who snapped. For the Israeli government to ignore the ensuing murder of Natan is much more despicable. Playing politics with justice in a case of a public mob murder is a new low for Israel's Judiciary. Make that a small 'j' for judiciary from now on.