Livni to Netanyahu: With you in power, Israel is a pariah state

do the Jews really need gentile enemies when they are so against themselves as it is? You know, it's obvious that when Jews are their own enemies that they aren't quite following the commandment of ahavat yisrael. The only Hebrew word I know: ahava, love. As if the enemies of Israel aren't making things tough enough for the Jews, the Jews have to go and make things worse for themselves? That's not intelligent at all, and it is disregarding G-d's commandment to the Jews to love your fellow Jew.

What hypocrisy! Livni agreed to bomb Gaza because she thought it would win her the election. Livni can't even leave Israel because she's considered a war criminal by most civilized nations (except Israel, where war criminals rule and civilization has not yet taken hold).

Jew #8, it is a matter of history that Isael survived the period that Livni was FM. In fact Israel even got bigger. These lies only increase anti-semetism against all jews, not just extremist like you!

Kadima promises unilateral evacuation from the Golan and Israel?s heartland, Judea and Samaria, to ensure that in the next war that the Arabs initiate, we will not have unfair advantage and our enemies? loses will not be "disproportionate". Livni seeks popularity in a world that simply cannot comprehend a Jewish nation able and willing to defend itself.

"But their constituents in Georgia, Texas and California really got off on the idea of another attack on New York." - Mark of Lewiston Their 'constituents' as they do, lust for another attack upon America. They know that 9-11 happened not because of Ronald Reagan and William Casey's 'freedom fighters' but because of the weakness of Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. The American right wants to see another horrible attack upon America because the ONLY thing they want is to see Obama defeated. Which, they have in common with Israel.

Perverse means "turned away from what is right or good, corrupt; improper, incorrect; contrary to the evidence or the direction of the judge on a point of law ." It also means " obstinate in opposing what is right, reasonable, or accepted, wrongheaded; arising from or indicative of stubbornness or obstinacy; marked by peevishness or petulance." I think this is a quite correct view of Israel today. Israel is not only petulant in it's actions, it is also obstinate and arrogant in it's wrong headiness. The glee with which it pursues the rejection of the world is insane. At some point, the world which once embraced Israel as righteous and now views Israel as a pariah, will come to view Israel as the problem. Israel should NOT be the problem. But the Israeli right is DETERMINED to MAKE Israel the problem. It is more than arrogance and hubris. For the Israeli right there is NOTHING it desires more than to have Israel the pariah of the world.

Did not Livni in her time, play her part in making Israel a 'pariah state?" A 'pariah' comes from the tamil. It is literally a 'drummer' and figuratively a member of a low cast of Southern India. Little more than an untouchable. It has a wider meaning which is no doubt what Livni meant. That is 'one that is despised or rejected, an outcast.' Israel revels in this vision of itself. It is delighted to see itself as the world's outcast, the nation despised by all and hated by everyone. Israel has come in the last few decades to seek this position in the world with a vengeance. This is far different from the Israel of 40, or even 30 years ago which wished to be accepted by the world. Then Israel wanted nothing more than to be accepted as one of the world's decent and normal nations. Now it loves to be seen as a nation hated and despised. I think this is perverse. So what is PERVERSE?

Tweedledee and tweedledum makes me rather think of Assad Junior of Syria and Ahmedinejad! Or is it rather Dupont et Dupont from Tintin?

i hope that not a single state/country (government) is a threat to its own people and to mankind and to worldpeace.

What you should have written: "Without U.S. support, there would be no Israel." Whether it's Livni the war criminal or Bibi the fat liar at its helm, Israel, the U.S. backed nuclear super power remains in exsistence. Stop already with the whiny, victim mentality. It's absurd.

Isn't Livni a former Mossad agent? And didn't she recently praise the killing of Mabhouh in Dubai? What respect does Livni have for international law? What respect does Livni have for the sovereignty and laws of other nations? Livni should have a very good idea why Israel is a "pariah state." She helped to make it so!

If Tsippi were running for the dog catcher of Tel Aviv, I would think that the requirements of the position exceed her capabilities.

I am no fan of Bibi or the Likud, but this shows why Livni is unfit for office. The utter hypocracy of this woman is astounding. On her watch as FM, Israel engaged in a losing war in Lebanon as well as a vicious attck on gaza which was what put Israel into the isolated state she is in today. While Bibi hasn't helped much, it is not his doing that world opinion is greatly against Israel. The political leadership of the state is appalling from every conceibale direction and woe to the people!

shalom it is time for all citizens to look at the future and form a peoples party and place the best interest of israel ahead of any one political party. take the brightest and most dedicated to only the wel-being of israel along with understanding that peace/ communication with the arab states are in the best interest of israel,and the arab people. lets give common sence and dialogue a chance. forget blaming this or that party. make a step forward and pray for success. one may be surprised at the out come. l'hit

In her hey-days Livni did a damn good job herself contributing to Israel's status as a pariah-state. Netanyahu just underlines what is already obvious to most enlightned people.

Livni,looking for arabic votes? Love

The present campaign against Israel is based mainly on lies about Operation Cast Lead. Livni with Olmert and Barak were responsible for this defensive effort which would not have become necessary if they had been doing their job properly during the previous years. Since Netanyahu and Lieberman have been running the country Israel has been able to prevent war by deterring the enemy. Unfortunately it will take more than a few months to overcome the legacy of the previous government's weakness. Livni has nothing to contribute to this. It is her mess that she left for others to clean up. The least she can have the decency to do is shut up about it. Her comments as reported in this article stretch the dishonesty of political cynicism past all previously recognised limits. Does she think the voters are stupid or something?

Created in 1948 thru ethnic cleansing and war crimes, defended by holocaust propaganda, and based upon falsified history, the zionist entity is a war crime. It doesnt matter whether Livni or Nitanyahoo is leader, as long as the aparthet zionsit entity exists, it will be a pariah. You can have israel or peace, but not both

Created in 1948 thru ethnic cleansing and war crimes, defended by holocaust propaganda, and based upon falsified history, the zionist entity is a war crime. It doesnt matter whether Livni or Nitanyahoo is leader, as long as the aparthet zionsit entity exists, it will be a pariah. You can have israel or peace, but not both

Every day I thank G-D that Livni is not PM.

She devastated the Gaza strip, razed a large number of homes and turned even more Palestinains homeless (a la Jenin), and she pretends to be for peace. She had an opportunity and missed it BIG. I see no difference between Netanyahu and Livni. He is more honest because he does not feel the need to pretend, she does.

... that even coarse and undiplomatic counter-declarations such as Tzipi's, are a welcome diversion from the disgust that accumulates daily...

Well, Livni was all gung-ho for Cast Lead. Her contribution to pariah state status is thus considerable. David

all. With great power comes Great responsibilty and I believe in Bib and Leiberman, this is a much differant world now than in the past. However some things dont change and by that I mean since 1948 the moral responsibility was always the israeli way however thy enemy has evolved islam surrounds almost everybody now around the world, these animals took notes at all their failures and honed their evil, the lack of response from the world ignoring the fact that they islam wants the world islamic and they see they can go unchallenged only emboldens them period end of story. Wake up people. For I dont mind wearing a blue and white kafiyah but my sister's and wife will not wear a hajab!!!

reason to chuck out the whole meal. "A Racist dig at the Scots is no doubt on it`s way." H The scots are fellow Celts---you?????.

reason to chuck out the whole meal. "A Racist dig at the Scots is no doubt on it`s way." H The scots are fellow Celts---you?????.

Livni .. you & EVERYONE in ISRAEL are responsible for what happens to Israel. Bowing to Baalim WILL DESTROY ISRAEL. It is written, it is a SIN NOT to fully support the nations leader. So you are add sin to sin. It is written in Father God's Holy Bible, a house, city or nation divided falls. The world's ways look like a party on the surface, but look inside those nations- inside you will find rotten, decayed bones filled with OPPRESSION, SICKNESS, PERSECUTION, SIN- disobedience to God of Israel- God of HEAVEN & EARTH- God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob. By going against Father God's WORD- You are allowing satan to divide HIS chosen Israeli people .. land & their dreams of freedom. Father God said, Either you are with me My Son-Yeshua-JESUS CHRIST OR you are with satan & his anti-Christ spirit-driven people of this lost evil world. Today I set before you BLESSING OR CURSE Each person MUST choose LIFE-JESUS-YESHUA OR DEATH-satan-anti-Christ. IN HIS MAJESTY'S SERVICE

There's no real opposition in Israel, just those who are in or out of power.

"A Racist dig at the Scots is no doubt on it`s way."H Why would I do that ---One bad "Scotch Egg" is not reason enough to ditch the whole basket. eh funny guy, whose jokes are found on the loo wall.

It's found right here. All of the libero-fascists, who advocate the destruction of Israel, give her support, even if it's backhanded.

... reactionaries and nobodies...?

Legislators say stuff for their constituents. When the US announced it would hold trials for terrorists, three members of the opposition spent four hours on the floor of the US House planing terrorist attacks on New York City. That is immune speech. But their constituents in Georgia, Texas and California really got off on the idea of another attack on New York. In South Korea, they've had fist fights. A Florida legislator called out the opposition for it's health insurance plan - die early. A New Yorker called out the opposition for being wholly owned, bought and paid for, by an industry.

most of us, except Amira Hass, Bradly Burston Gidon Levy and Haaretz.com team. WE NEED PEOPLE LIKE YOU BIBI AND LIKE YOU LIBERMAN FOR A STRONG ISRAEL. STRONG AND RIGHT. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.

... essence of the truth: with Bibi in charge, we have all become pariahs... Lieberman et al promote themselves all over the world... that has become the-face-of-Israel...

they seem to think that they would die if they give back what is not theirs, but want to have.

There are only so many ways to same the same things. I believe you've used them all so many times it's worth consulting page two of your Manual. Sorry, there is no page two. Just Zio, aparteid, Nazi,War Criminal,Pariah coupled with an ego that believes you speak for the "World". You really think you're going to frighten off the Natives with your constant insults and juvenile visions of fighting and real Men and all the Macho crap you expound daily. A Racist dig at the Scots is no doubt on it's way. You can extract the urine out the Scots with impunity but the thought that YOU just might be an Antisemite? Well that's just Zio talk. Eh big guy?

"Then why don`t you support your Prime Minister in the same way in spite of your differences? Double talk." Execpt that's all Netanyahoo is-double talk. He claims to want peace, but does nothing except the wrong things. Not stopping construction in East Jerusalem and the West Bank leaps to mind. "All she does is wrongly empower the mindless souless, amoral arabs." Yeah, there's absolutely nothing racist about that comment.

she is write about netanyahu but israel was already a mess before he became pm. he just continued to run it into the ground as the leaders did before him

Livni has an arrest warrant for the Gaza war and Netanyahu will be next due to the Dubai related fake passport and credit card mess. What a country.

None other but the erstwhile Foreign Minister Livni despite her 'achievements' as mentioned by you. 'Hell has no fury....' that's Tzipi.

Pefidious ALbion next jail, you don't have a word?

"Fortunately, most Israelis have seen through her and voted Right." Where has that gotten you? Your country's leadership has done nothing but make one bad move after another. Sure, Netanyahoo has stopped construction in some areas, but refuses to stop construction in East Jerusalem and the West Bank, which further angers the Palestinians. He also has called the settlement freeze a one time thing, and that it's not permanent. What message does that send to the Palestinians? Netanyahoo has shown that he's all double talk-speaks of peace but does nothing to show that he's actually serious about it.

that her 15 minutes are up. I agree with other posters that with her in power, Israel would cease to exist.

what a whiner she's become. puting her own piss poor political agenda ahead of the needs of the state. she was offered the position. she turned it down. she is a loser and should shut up already. all she does is wrongly empower the mindless souless, amoral arabs.

nah..nana..nah nah!

You disgusting politics still doesn't changed, after the persecution for your lousy helenist ideals. Go to jail now !

...I will do everything to protect the institution. Then why don`t you support your Prime Minister in the same way in spite of your differences? Double talk.

a rhetorical question

These tirades, whether Livni's or Bat Yam's #7, are exercises in self indulgence. Their premise is always that the problem has a simple solution known to the speaker. Their narratives are always shamelessly skewed is if their arguements were "facts" open and obvious to all. What does it accomplish? Do they want someone to say, "Here buhbilah, here's some debating points?" In case these speakers haven't noticed, these are difficult problems in which every positive action comes with a dozen drawbacks. All anyone sane can do is get the best mix and take the best shot. The focus should be on what is the best shot and not on the blindness or inferiority of the person taking the shot. Highlighting the difficulties arising from taking action (A) and forgetting about the difficulties that would have flowed from actions (B) or (C) had they been taken is just the use of self delusion to achieve self aggrandizement.

Livni needs to brush up on her acting skills. I am not going to buy that all of the sudden Netanyahu thinks Livni can be the saviour of Israel. Livni is trying to stay out of The Hague by trying to portray herself as the Marwan Barghouti (Palestine's Nelson Mandela) of the Israeli Jews. Doesn't work, when are you coming to London?

Once dead the lefties would depict Israel's brief life with fairy tales about witches, fire breathing dragons, and evil giants which got their just desserts.

It's not often we hear Israeli politicians speak the truth, so enjoy people of the civilized world.

And Since When, Ms. Livni, Is Yisrael Supposed To Be Accepted By The World Nations??? Were There Perhaps Ten Righteous Master, Would You Withhold To Destroy It? Werer There Ten Righteous People There I Would Not Destroy It... But You See Ms. Livni There Is A Difference Between Us And Them... Yanatan

in the good cop, bad cop serial. We have seen this all before. Peres did it last. Rabin did it before him. No one is listening anymore Israel is as Livni says---a pariah state---but it is not only netandyahu who created it.

Livni's reference to a "pariah state," reminds me of the old joke about the priest hearing a fellow's confession and periodically exhorting him to "tell it all!" Finally, after a particularly shocking admission (which I won't mention) the priest winces visibly and says, "Oooo, I don't think I'da told that!"

With you in his position it would not have made much difference. The ease with which you cheered a murder didn't give me much hope about your decisions about assassination by state.

and stick again all over the country and on any thing that drives on our streets and toads: BIBI GO HOME

Remember how Livni praised UN Resolution 1701 on Lebanon and that Livni promised that, thanks to that resolution, hizbollah would be disarmed? Now hizbollah has even more and better rockets than before.Livni was also - and still is - ready to make earth-shattering concessions to both the pals and to Syria.Livni endangers Israel's security and future.Fortunately, most Israelis have seen through her and voted Right.Livni has no clue and she keeps on proving this in her megalomanic declarations.

Better to be a live Paria than a dead Jew that everyone loves.

1. Instigator of expulsion plan of Gush Katif's Jewish population - 2003 2. Presiding (together with Sharon) over historically unprecedented Jewish instigated ethnic cleansing of other Jews from Gush Katif - 2005. 3. Instigator of "convergence" plan to further ethnically cleanse Judea & Samaria's Jewish population -2005/2006 (quietly abandoned in the wake of Lebanon debacle). Instigating/abetting/ignoring Amona brutality. 4. Presiding over a bungled 2006 Lebanon military operation lasting a full month & whose only enduring results were: a. Death of ~134 Israelis. b. Hezbollah left intact while other innocent Lebanese killed & Lebanese infrastructure devastated leaving "bad will" amongst other Lebanese ordinarily at odds with Hezbollah. c. loss of the Zahal's decades-old military deterrence. d. massive damage to our north. e. subsequent ceasefire enabling Hezbollah to complete a new unprecedented massive missile buildup, strengthening Iran's ongoing strategic efforts against Israel . f. failing to obtain the release of Shalit, Regev or Goldwasser g. refusing to accept Winograd (I or II) responsibility for his failure and follow the other 2 culprits in their resignation from office. 5. Standing idly by while allowing Hamas to: a. pummel the south with a non-stop missile barrage leaving residents dead, in terror and further eroding Zahal's image of deterrence, encouraging the continuing adventures of Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran strategy. b. gain unprecedented political power and continue for 2 years their "military" buildup in coordination with Iran/Hezbollah without any successful Israeli counter strategy. 6. Engaging unpopular leader of the other terrorist organization, Fatah, who is unable to control or deliver "anything" while offering hope to Arab population that if not delivered will further fuel Arab anger. 7. Agreeing to Gaza ceasefire leaving Hamas in place to continue unprecedented buildup of arms, missiles and regrouping of its "military" in conjunction .with Hezbollah/Syria/Iran. 8. Weakening Israel's basic national/security interests by offering to arrogantly "give away" Jerusalem, Golan and other essential territories proffering our enemies further proof of a frightened and leaderless Israel "finally" ripe for a potential military assault. Iran...? 9. Offering to trade murdering terrorists for our captives without at least insisting on certifying their physical condition or even if they are in fact alive. Engaging in these political machinations while the emotions of the families of the captured, as well as those of the nation are arrogantly & coldly ignored. 10. Arrogantly and selfishly conducting affairs of state for his own personal agenda of staying in power while mired in an aura of scandal layered upon another scandal totally ignoring our national security. 11. Talking very tough on Iran's nuclear ambitions, while failing to take required action to stop Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. 12. Attempting to give away Jerusalem, the city that has defined the Jews for 2000 years. 13. Gaza debacle 2009. Again talking tough while smashing & killing Gazans and then leaving Hamas free to continue rocket barrages.

The Arabs are discussing talks, the economy grew 4.4% last quarter, and let's not forget some gruesome murders before Bibi. Sounds some sour grapes. BTW, I didn't vote for Likud last election.

Livni gave us the Gaza war killing. She is maybe a better diplomat, but that is all.

livni does put on a more convincing show for the 'peace process' (drag it on forever or until no more palestine) where as natanyahoo couldn't be bothered by so much pretense..,...lets face it bibi is not yet a 'wanted man' and livni may be the first 'wanted lady' for war crimes

Netanyahu lacks vision, courage and is not able to lead Israel to peace. His very statements become catalysts for distrust and fear. He panders to extremist and over-zealous settlers while ignoring the longer term survivability of Israel. Yet the true future of Israel is dependent upon building partnerships with its neighbors and the Palestinians. Palestinians have been ready for an olive branch and have desired to continue negotiations that had moved forward successfully under Livni. That alone creates a foundation for improving relations with Israel's neighbors. However that takes courage and leadership. The USA, EU, Russia and the Arab nations are not preventing a peaceful resolution. Peace is totally in the hands of Netanyahu, and it is draining away like sand between his fingers. The Israeli people need to bring this abyss of leadership to an end.

So when Netanyahu came to office Israel was seen as a light onto nations? Am I off, but wasn't it Livni's job to be FM and improve Israel's standing before the current administration? Instead of thanking Netanyahu and Lieberman for trying to clean up her mess, she starts attacking the PM.