Livni: Hamas could have prevented Qassam attack on IDF base
FM: Israel could use non-military means to respond to attack on IDF base; Yishai: Cancel fall peace summit.
By News Agencies and Haaretz Service Tags: Gaza rockets Tzipi Livni IDFForeign Minister Tzipi Livni, responding to a Tuesday Qassam rocket attack that wounded 69 soldiers at a Negev army base, said Hamas bore ultimate responsibility for the strike.
Livni added that Israel could also use non-military means to respond to ongoing rocket attacks against it from the Gaza Strip, a possible reference to proposals to curb the supply of utilities to the population of Gaza.
Later in the day, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert convened security officials in special session to discuss Israel's overall response to the attack, but there was no decision for an all-out offensive, officials said. Speaking on condition of anonymity because the meeting was closed, they said Israel might step up its air strikes aimed at militants in Gaza.
The rocket strike was carried out by the radical Islamic Jihad and the Popular Resistance Committees. But Livni said, "It doesn't really matter which organization took responsibility. Gaza is entirely controlled by Hamas. Hamas has the ability to stop it [the rocket fire] and has decided not to do that."
One soldier was very critically wounded in the attack on the base. Four others were seriously hurt, and another 10 were moderately wounded. The remainder were lightly hurt, many of them suffering mainly from shock.
She said that Israel's policy was to make a "clear distinction" between the moderate leadership led by Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas in the West Bank and the extremist administration in Gaza.
As to steps aimed at putting an end to the Qassam fire, "We have means, means which are not only military," she told a joint news conference in Jerusalem with visiting French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner. "It is our duty to take these steps."
The strike came at a time when Israeli politicians and defense officials have been calling for a more aggressive Israeli response to the near-daily rocket barrages out of Gaza.
"Long ago, several years ago, we should have responded strongly," said Shas cabinet minister Eli Yishai. "In the end we will have no choice but to act."
Yishai called for the cancellation of the upcoming Mideast peace summit, scheduled to be held in Washington in November, in light of the Palestinian aggression displayed in this attack.
But Livni, referring to Abbas of Fatah and his Prime Minister Salam Fayyad, said "On the one hand we need to act against the terrorists in Gaza. On the other hand we need to reach an understanding with the moderates n the West Bank," she said.
Kouchner said the groups behind the rocket attack "do not want any dialogue" and were seeking to "undermine the process of negotiations between Israel and Abu Mazen [Abbas]."
"I understand that Israel has to defend its population," he said when asked about a possible Israeli reaction.
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Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni meeting with her French counterpart Bernard Kouchner in Jerusalem on Monday. (Reuters) |
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to halt the 1000kg bomb on an apartment building?
...Hamas bore ultimate responsibility for the strike... HAMAS does take responsibility for that attack, unlike Israel who didn't take responsibility on children got killed in Gaza by IDF attack last week.
Then target hamas,....target somebody,..now.
Her comments are inexcusable and empty.
My opinion has been that the current Israeli government puts more stock in pleasing the UN, EU, and the USA than taking steps to make its citizens more secure. How does this event, and the limited reaction, tell otherwise? Now draft-dodgers are a big issue, but Olmert and Livni what do you say to the parents of IDF soldiers who have put their kids lives in your hands? Solana and Bush would not like an invasion?
My opinion has been that the current Israeli government puts more stock when it comes to its decisions in pleasing the EU and USA
My opinion has been that the current Israeli government puts more stock when it comes to its decisions in pleasing the EU and USA
1) reinstitute targeted assassinations 2) start using snipers to "psychologically" destroy the enemy. 3) Consolidate the W. Bank settlements into four big blocks that you plan on annexing to Israel and stop sending the IDF to protect rogue settlers.
Hamas is behind these attacks... of course they could have prevented it. What an idiot.
Livni you are a joke...go away and the sooner the better and take Peres and Olmert and the rest of the morons with you.
Makes sense.
There is a very simple saying, "When someone is shooting at you, you shoot back". Until Israel decides to really get serious about terrorist groups, this will continue and get worse, as they obtain more sophisticated rockets. Remember the Intifada 1 used no weapons. Now we see children throwing stones to Hamas surrogates and Hez launching missles. Even so-called crude Kassams can be very, very lethal. So much for the pundits and media's interpretations. How would we (US) react similarly? Well, for one thing, we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq. Israel on every front is too timid, and it is inviting what they are experiencing now. It's a difficult situation, but one that has to be tamed, sooner or later, and before Iran gets a nuclear device (which will change the balance of terror in the entire region).
I am sure that Hamas' first priority in Gaza is to stop the Qassams. After all, Israel was so kind to them.
Livni, from her parallel universe, lets Hamas know that Israel will take no military measures against Hamas for Qassam rocket attacks, and Hamas, in order to acknowledge that they understand Tzipi's statement, launches two more qassams today. Thanks Tzipi.
I laughed when I read Livni's statement. What clear distinction? That it doesn't matter if you bow to Israel's will or not, you will be occupied, disposessed, your children will be murdered, and then Israel will complain bitterly if you fight back? Where were all these complaints when the IDF were shooting children almost every day last week? Oh, yes, they were cheering on the killing with the typical Israeli bloodlust.
... it is absurd (and very dangerous)to think like Livni is thinking. Just like Arafat could have stopped them. It was never going to happen.
"Livni could have stopped killing of Pal children. But she didn't" I agree with you.
is sickening. You use them and then push them as a shield in front of you
Clear distinction between Hamas and Abbas? Just a few days ago he made a statement that he follows Yassir Arafat's path. The only dIfference between him and the terrorists in Gaza is the rethoric, nothing else! They are from the same fanatic and barbarian roots.
Who defend the Palestians against the zionism terrorism?
cut of water, electricity supply would only make the situation worse - palestinians will hate israel more and support those forces in the Gaza-strip that launch the rockets to israel. It's the old story about the fact that violence will only evoke more violence ...
But she didn't.
do israeli civilans fire rockets into gaza? what do you think IDF would do if they did start firing rockets into gaza? isreal prevent attacks. hamas encourages attacks. all those people in gaza that cheered and danced in the streets when they heard of about the qassam hit on the IDF tent as as guilt of the attack as those who planned and executed it. if i were in charge, i would have drones in the air and fire on the crowd of people dancing when they hear about deaths of others. today is 9/11, remember all the PALs who were happy to hear about the deaths of americans?? they too should have been attack by american forces in the area. if you support terror by being happy about it then you are a terrorist and deserve the same ending. period.
If Israel can't stop all attacks within its borders (with all its police and army powers), how can a much weaker regime in Gaza be blamed for not stopping all such activity there?
I wonder why you cant see sysria's hand in this attack. It was a couple of days ago when they declared that they reserve the right to respond through any means to the reported violation of its air space by IAF.
Olmert should make the following speech 'I have ordered the IAF to demolish in the next 24 hours , ten Hamas linked building , and the homes of ten Hamas leaders who have pledged to destroy our nation and are applauding and permitting the rocket attacks. We will also destroy the tv and radio stations which spout hatred against us and encourage the terrorists.' Future rocket attacks will be met with similar demolitions of Hamas buildings until Hamas learns to live in peace and denounce terror. We will also capture Hamas leaders and deny them any visits until our captured soldiers are given them. Future rocket attacks will trigger electricity disruption. Hamas has been warned and will be to blame if it permits or applauds rocket attacks against us.' Hamas will stop this nosense within three months just as Hezbollah has done. At current birth rates within 50 years 7m Gazans , 3m Israeli Muslims and 10m West Bank Muslims and just 5m secular Jews, so targetted killing wont work
I was saddened to hear that Israel nowadays relies on HAMAS to stop the rocket fire. It is like relying on a TIGER to go on an all CARB diet. This politicking mish mash that is being substituted for a genuine policy needs to seas and desist. The time has come for citizens of Israel to realize that members of the Kneset must not only receive benefits, but also deliver the goods. Livni?s statement is so bizarre, that it borders on sophistication of impotence. This is nothing but a continuation of the Lebanon II. So forget the ?Winograd? and serve them some ?Grapes of Wrath? instead. VOTE THE parasites OUT.
This is the most ridiculous thing she could have said. Did she forget that Hamas is sworn to destroy Israel. Duh!
Hamas are trying to depose Abbas and smash Fatah in Judea and Samaria right now. The only thing preventing repeat of the Gaza scenario is Israel. The Kingdom of Jordan was established as the Arab National Home in Palestine some 85 years ago. It's been that ever since despite all the talk otherwise. Jordan invaded and occupied the 'West Bank' and its goverments pursued the policy for many years that Palestine is Jordan and Jordan is Palestine. There is no need to cite the facts regarding Gaza and Egypt.
...sissy-boys army, as they will not be allowed to slaughter some Palestinian children in the next days. So they will do so in the coming weeks. Nothing has changed.
The Arabs of the Land of Israel consistently demonstrate that they don't want, can't make and won't maintain real peace. They do want, however, to weaken Israel by gaining territory without 'giving' anything tangible. They ignore that "possession is nine tenths of the law" and that it's rather the Arabs who should come forward and spell out what they offer Israel in return for what they want. They also pretend not to get it that in this case "land for peace" is both immoral and unworkable. The Arabs had used the 'territories' to threaten, pester and attack Israel before we took these territories in self defence. They continue to plan, prepare and perpetrate genocide against Israel and pretend not to see that it would be suicidal for Israel to concede anything in response to their aggressive threats and action. The Arabs must realize that the only way toward peace is that rather they themselves should offer, accept and be convincingly satisfied with 'painful' territorial compromises.
...no doing the Militar Service. pd: Be Happy...' love the cowards who pray
inherent in the Israeli population.
Interesting, Livni is recognizing the authority of Hamas. It is intellectually little dishonest to make demands and give responsibilities to an organization which in Israeli eyes doesn't "exist" and which authority Israel doesn't recognize. Well intellectual honesty and consistency are not gifts given to Livni and other Israeli politicians.
Are you as stupid as Peretz?...we expect more of you.Good for you
You cannot really blame Palestinians for having no respect for Israel - the country governed by a bunch of morons and traitors like Olmert and Livni. You've elected them - so blame yourselves.
Indrajaya is a very important person for the whole Jewish people. She doesn't even know it. But the work she is doing her in Haaretz and elsewhere have a greater Zionistic effect then what all the Jewish Zionists writes all together. She is a permanent reminder that Anti-Semitism are around us Jews. That the only good thing we can do is to go on Aliya to Israel. On behalf of the whole Zionistic organization in Israel, I would like to thank you for your grate work for us. I would actually like to invite you to our capital, Jerusalem for to receive the great Herzl price, directly from the hands of our president himself. Just give us your address where to send the invitation..
Why would you expect Hamas to stop the rocket attacks when they are hellbent on the destruction of Israel as stipulated clearly in their Charter? It is like getting the wolves to take care of the sheeps. Israel can do better than this.
I don't blame hamas, they are doing exactly what is in their charter. I blame Olmert, Perez, Livni and gang for doing nothing they are emboldening the terrorists and encouraging the death and injury of Israelis, instead of protecting the citizens of Israel. When will the people stand up and demand their resignation?
what is the government doing using the soldiers and civilans as cannon fodder? I say go into Gaza and blow them to hell, once and for all.
Israel makes a fuss about how it's at war, how it only targets combatants, how it cannot let aggression go unanswered, etc. The strike at the army base was exactly the kind of attack that Israel would make, although in that case, the soldiers would have been killed.
Why don't you finish the thought, pal? Why don't you make it clear that the only time an Israeli soldier attacks Gaza is when Israel is attacked? Why don't you admit that those "poor, humble people" bring about their own suffering and misery by refusing to behave like proper human beings? Why is it that you sit in your safe little home and goad violence against the very people you claim to align with? Furthermore, as I KNOW you know the truth, why don't you call for the denouncement of violence, for Hamas to rescind its terrorist charter and for the Arab-Palestinian leadership to lead their people out of the 7th century? Could it be a certain bigotry that causes you to enjoy Jewish deaths more than Arab prosperity?
Earth to Livni : The so-called moderates will NEVER stop rocket attacks on Israel as long as the Jewish state exists. Any agreement you reach with Abbas will be a faux agreement. Lastly, besides Sharansky and Bibi, are there any smart Israeli public figures ?
Hamas has repeatedly shown it can silence the missiles when convenient. More often, Hamas and the Palestinians think it's fun to rain bombs onto Israel, like leisurely skipping stones off a lake. I wonder who in Israel predicts a future other than bigger, more frequent, more efficient death raining from the sky at Muslim whim? Soon, jihadists will have the option of attaching Iranian nukes to their toys. Poor Israel. The clock is ticking on the only advanced civilization in the region, and politicians play word games as the sun sets.
When the end of patience is reached by the Israeli government and the serious response is triggered, idiot-children won't be passing candy out to blithering dolts in the streets of Gaza City. When the Hamas-sanctioned attacks finally prompt Israel to respond in the extreme and harsh manner that is deserving of such goads for war, mothers are going to be crying over the loss of their families. Still, inside their bunkers or safe in Syria, the Hamas leadership will be passing candy to one another. They don't care how many Arab-Palestinians die as long as any concept of a peace proccess is killed.
Yes Indrajaya number 5. They are soldiers clearly identifiable, not hiding behind the skirts of their mothers, not holding children up in front of them as shields unlike the despicable, women hating Jihadists, you seem to have such sympathy for.
Israel and Israel alone is resposible for this attack. If sufficient deterrence would have been subjected on hamas and the palestinians, then no attack such as this would be forthcoming. Cut of electricity and water indefinately, carpet bomb Gaza, and send 18 mortars for every quasam. Peace Now and the Arab league will cry, but rockets will come to an end. When America nuked Japan, the war came to an end. Half hearted measures achieve nothing but contempt.
They are soilders that do not hide among women and children like your Hamas and Hizbollah friends do. How many times were schools in Sederot hit with kassam rockets. You seem to have a very short memory.
youre living in cuckoo land... like an increasingly number of israelis
hamas doesn't care how much their own people suffer as long as Israel to blame.Cutting off supplies will only be skewed by hamas (and the rest of the world) into an excuse for more Israel bashing. (regardless of how ridiculous placing the blame on Israel may actually be) THIS WILL ACTUALLY HELP HAMAS. There are other options, both diplomatic and military. may the new year finally bring peace. shina tova.
israel will decide soon on the measures to be taken in order to stop gaza qassams. ther'll be a decision on three types of warnings: -simple warning for a qassam which causses no harm -serious warning for material damaging qassam -extremely serious warning for qassam which causses material and physical damage. it is expected some opposition and a possible intervention of high court,but the inner circles of the government hope to pass these regulations.
wouldn't have the balls or the capabilities to attack the mullahs!!
.we have not acted to protect JEWISG BIBLICAL LAND and SDEROT and our brave IDF heros are suffering whilst the rich get richer in THE SYSTEM.
if u want to conquer palestinian open the ways to the workere to return to their work and let the life return to the last stat . all restricts let the people think in violence but if there is a sallary in the end of the month and there is good places to live and there is no occupation u can live in peace
the politicians that do nothing now except mumble empty platitudes will have very short political careers! They will not be forgiven and the next elections will be their end. This present government is hated and despised by almost the entire populace and the feelings against them grow stronger by the day!
Israel should let Hamas to depose Abbas and smash Fatah in Judea and Samaria, or even help Hamas to do so, in order to make it easier to abolish the PA and wipe it off the world map and consciousness. It will also open the way for the Kingdom of Jordan to take charge as the only viable nation state of all the Arabs of Greater Palestine. Having got rid of the PA, Israel and Jordan should agree on the border between them in Judea and Samaria and maybe cede Gaza to Egypt that would sort it out quite smartly. Everybody, Jews and Arabs, should continue to live in peace where they are and nobody should move from their homes or land. Israelis who would thus become residents of the Kingdom of Jordan should be given rights and conditions like the Arabs in Israel.
israel ("ledership") became a whinning, gutless, incompetent bunch of eunuchs!!! no wonder the islamofacsists are marching all over us. the olmert gang better start to grow their bird, and livni buy a burka because very soon you going to need it! SHAME ON YOU ALL!!!!!!!
hamas could have stopped the qassams......just like livni could have stopped the killing of kids by the idf
and lee harvey oswald also could have prevented the assassination of kennedy. huh?
Let's not forget they are not children, but soldiers, with weapons and a lot of energy to fight humble people, including mothers and aged people in the Strip
I find it quite unbelievable that so many incompetant people are running the government. To think that there is a diffrence between FATAH and HAMAS,for want of a better word is just stupid.WAKE UP,THEY JUST WANT US DEAD,PERIOD.
Livni has announced that Israel will, as usual, do nothing. Israel will, for ever, carry on feeding and supplying terrorists in Gaza in return for more terrorism. Thus Israel is the laughing stock of the world. Yet there are four steps which could be taken immediately which would be extremely effective, even without an invasion. 1. Cut off all electricity, water, fuel supplies etc. Ignore the usual bleating and whining about "collective punishment". 2. Close the crossings and do not allow any aid to get into Gaza from Israel. Aid can come in by sea instead. Israel's loving kindness must no longer be exploited. 3. Do not allow any movement of people between Israel and Gaza. Anyone - e.g UN and other cancerous persons - who want to go to Gaza can go by sea. 4. Decapitate the entire Hamas leadership. They are not "democratically elected" because a terrorist entity can never be legitimised by an election.
Hamas??? Responsible?? Who?? Hamas?? Really??? Omigod...could it be? Dummy Livni: Hamas is holding onto Gilad Shalit for over a year now and w/o proof of life...you havent done squat about that problem so we dont really believe that you'll do anyhting to Hamas over this. So why the act?
Don't blame Hamas for Fatah's Islamic Jihad attack on Israeli soldiers. Blame Mr Abbas, hold him accountable. There is plenty of things to blame on Hamas but don't prop-up one terrorist group by blaming another. That would be like invading Iraq because a group of Egyptians and Saudis based in Afghanistan attacked you.
the only solution is to cut off all power and water, no not to gaza,but to the knesset,where this criminaly insane,traitorous,pathetic ioncompotent fool who is pretending to be israe'ls prime minister,is holed up. and drag him out and put him on trial for treason,and if found guilty do what the french citizens did after world war two,to their treasonous
with you at the helm
Livnis announcement that Israel would respond with"non military" means to the Gaza attack is already a defeat for Israel. Why announce to the terrorists that they are safe? The bigger question why is there not a huge military response? The tensions with Syria is not an excuse. The IDF would be able to destroy all the rocket launching sites in 24 hours. The real reason they do nothing is because the country is being led by a troika of cowards,Olmert, Barak and Livni.
Non-military = irrational