Likud urges Shas, Lieberman to quit gov't over PM's 'intention'

The Alaska Brigades and islamic Jihad can become waitors in each of the beach front hotels. They can also trade in their guns and bombs for Armani clothing. Then Hamas will be jealous and want a piece of the action too. We can make them lifeguards at the beach! They will love it, shave off their beards and start making moves of those hot Israeli babes. Then every Palestinian should recieve a free surf board in the mail. This is the road to peace, not Annapolis! ask any Israeli Leftist!

shalom come back bibis for uch a time as this,i have set watchmen (gentile bielivers)on your walls oh jerusalem,give him no rest till he establishes jerusalem and makes her the praise of thee earth. margaret

I have a downloaded topographical map of Mt. Moriah, which is the elongated hill running north and south through Old Jerusalem, supporting the current "Temple Mount", and continuing south through the City of David, the historical Old Jerusalem up to the first century. The Temple Mount is not Mt. Moriah. Mt. Moriah is a geological feature of far greater extent than the artificial Temple Mount.

no no no, my friend; you've got it all wrong! it's the zionists and the zionist state they've created, who have been spitting in god's face for nigh on 100 years. who the hell are YOU to manipulate and to change what HE'S seen fit to put into place; and then have the pomposity and gall call "prophecy" the human suffering and persecution you've created? and please take note: there has been NO divine intercession on behalf of the zionist's endeavors to undo what HE'D destined to be. no seas have been parted, no manna from the heavens, no scourges inflicted, no nothing as a matter of fact; there's been absolutely NO divine assistance! He's even stopped talking to you! and THAT should clue you in to what HE thinks about the things you're doing...

an imposter stands out for exactly what it is... and it sounds like australia is cursed by the same type of politicos that exist in every free nation of the world...lol...they do and say whatever it takes to get elected. i do hope that you keep that in mind when you consider the u.s., who has a jewish population of 6.5 million jews, a pro-israel lobby that wields more political power than any other, and a media that for the most part hides the truth about israel's actual doings. but if you look deep...there ARE a few hints of displeasure towards israel...which in time are likely to grow. meanwhile...i hope that day DOES come when jerusalem is elevated to the cultural and religious center that it was destined to be, and shared in harmony by all who hold it sacred...just as it should be! with my sincere regards to you, maureen ann

"...the Moriah hill, where once stood the Temple of Solomon and later a heathen sanctuary and a Christian Church. When Abd Al Malik felt the need for a centre of worship that should outshine the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, rival the Mosque of Makkah then in the hands of Abdullah ibn Zubayr and deviate thereform the current of pilgrimage, he built in 691 on the same site in Jerusalem the Dome of the Rock..." P.264, Philip K. Hitti, History of the Arabs (Note that the Dome was built to divert trade from one of Abd Al Malik's rivals, and had nothing to do with religious sentiment.) "A fortress (the future Antonia) dominated the Temple esplanade from the northwest.."P.27, Elias Bickerman, The Jews in the Greek Age That matches Josephus's account. Also, see p. 533, Vol. 3, of Will Durant's History of the World. Herod enlarged the pre-existing Temple on Mount Moriah.

More sabotaging of the negotiations by Israeli officials. They will be lucky if they have a country left some day. Perhaps people should take this time and kick them out anyhow. It seems to me they are the real threat to the government and state not Olmert or Jerusalem. Dutch

How can you take a Land of somebody, who has no Land? There HAS NEVER BEEN a Palestinian state, nor a Palestnian nation. Before 1948 there was a British occupation. Before the British in 1917 there had been an Ottoman(Turkish)occupation, which lasted 600 years. Before the Ottomans there were the Xian Crusaders occupying the Land till we get down to the Romans, who forced the Jews, the legitimate owners of the Land, to exile. Palestine was a contemptuous name the Romans gave to Israel and has NO connection whatsoever to Pal-Arabs. In the 30's the British invited Arabs from neighbouring countries(mostly from Syria) to FREELY settle down in Palestine, because they did NOT want Jews there. NOW IVAR: tell me WHO, out of all these invadors' offsprings and Arab immigrants to Palestine, are Palestinians? WHAT is their connection to the Land other than that of being the TRUE OCCUPIERS of the Jewish homeland. THEY DO NOT BELONG TO THE LAND OF THE JEWS! YES, Ivar, I am intolerant of lies!

The Romans came to Judea with Herod? That would have been news to Pompey "Magnus" who visited Jerusalem - and raised hell there - long before Herod was born. And, I believe Herod was criticised for building the Antonia so close to the Temple. (The Temple was there first, not the other way around.) Anyway, Josephus is quite clear that the Antonia was right next to the Temple.

As time goes on, I am beginning to wonder just whose side Olmert is really on--

is where your neighbor's rights to the same begin. Nobody is forcing you to believe as you wish. But no religion can impose itself on anyone, as the Jews are doing in forcing the Palestinians from their land. Ethnic cleansing and land theft in the name of religion. I find your position quite intolerant.

A good summary of the fall of Jerusalem, blow by blow, is http://www.livius.org/ja-jn/jewish_wars/jwar04.html . If you read the documentation I linked, you will find that the Temple was on a heavily fortified platform next to the Gihon Spring, at the extreme northern end of the City of David, the "Old Town". Both the Antonia Fortress as well as the City of David were on Mount Moriah, the elongated hill which runs North and South. So your evidence merely establishes the relative positions of Antonia and the Temple, which is not in dispute. The distance between them is. And it makes sense that Herod would not have built the Temple in extreme proximity to the Roman fortress Antonia, nor accepted the Romans to build it so near, whichever came first, since the Romans came to Judea with Herod the Great. The Temple was evidently built on a platform, as the topography of Mount Moriah does not lend itself to much choice in this matter.

Book VI, between 12 and 130, I believe. He describes in great detail the Roman battle to enter the Temple Sanctuary through the Antonia. He specifically mentions the destruction of a covered walkway between Antonia to the north and the Temple just south. On the Mount. Also, read the beginning of Stephen Runciman's First Crusade about Julian. I never said Heraclius (or Justinian) copied the foundation, just that it was used. BUt, if U think the Temple was south of the Mount, where? the next hill south is Ramat Rahel, which isn't that close. There's no other hilltop just south of the Temple Mount; there's a valley.

NOT in Islam this we know, BUT here in the FREE world and DEMOCRACY, we still so far are living in and enjoying, we have the FREEDOM TO BELIEVE whatever we choose to believe in. Can't you respect that? IF NOT: get out of Europe to your Moslem paradise! Nobody is holding you back! You have NO right to go between any person and his faith or his G-D. Who do you think you are? WHAT ARROGANCE? YOU HYPOCRITE! Since you obviously cannot live in a Western democracy: GET OUT!

Assuming you are both right: Dolly says:"Most unpopular PM with 2/3% popularity poll..." and Barry confirms the "sign of a leader.." whilst adding "speaks not his mind but what he thinks is politically beneficial to him". If so, how beneficial could it have been to him if his popularity shot down to 2/3% as Dolly stated? He did not 'give away Israel' or anything, this is purely a negotiating stage, and he had the GUTS to say what he openly said in the Knesset. You cannot take this away from him. Take care.

Here is the forum, where I made the comparison to Esau (and so did you in the same forum a few letters below mine!): 15/10, "Olmert hints Israel willing to past with Arab areas of J'lem": my letters being numbers 237 and 242 ... of the same subject. Else; we cannot prevent the necessecity to part with some parts of Israel and East-Jerusalem Arab neighbourhoods, this dev. was set off in 1993 by Peres, BUT in my opinion Israel should give ONLY those areas, which Israel sees fit and appropriate to give and NO more. IF the Pals are allowed to make demands and set conditions as it now seems to be....the game is lost! I am bereaved and in mourning over such Israeli political INCOMPETENCE and STUPIDITY! They are spitting G-D in the face and distorting truths, then call it justice! IF I may live, I'll be curious to see what their end will be. Sharon has been lying in coma for nearly two years now. G-D always has the last word! THIS is Justice!

"The Bible Unearthed" by Finkelstein & Silberman covers this period and takes a very similar approach, although they discount the united monarchy. TL Thompson is more radical! Both very readable, as is Zeev Herzog (available online).

Mary, Jews can not be grafted into Spiritual Israel, which is Completed Judaism (labeled "Chrisianity by the early Romans) the inheritor of the Abrahamic Covenant, and at the same time remain as branches of their old, original "olive tree", as Paul argues in Romans. Dispensationalism, which you argue, would have it both ways in the Millennium: a contradiction. Read http://bibleprobe.com/rebuildingthetemple.htm The "Christian Zionist" dogma which preaches American carte blanche for "Our Greater Bellicose Israel, Right or Wrong" has been biblically disproven by numerous biblical scholars across a wide denominational spectrum: Modern Israel is NOT the heir of Old Testament Divine covenant promises made to Israel for her "restoration". Read Proffessor Hans K. LaRondelle's acclaimed exegesis, "The Israel of God in Prophecy" at www.amazon.com . Darbyism/Dispensationalism was created in 1830's London congregation of Edward Irving, who on the strength of 13 year old member Margaret Macdonald's reveries espoused Jesuit Emanuel Lacunza's 300 year old counter reformation doctrine of "futurism" designed to deflect Lutheran papal critics that the latter was the Antichrist of the Apocalypse. J. N. Darby promptly amplified Irving's discovery into today's Dispensationalism, which is neither biblical nor Protestant (nor Catholic, nor Jewish) http://www.opednews.com/seese050504_present_Christian_delusion_dispensationalism.htm http://www.theologicalstudies.org/dispen.html http://www.fwponline.cc/v9n1reasoner.html http://www.theocracywatch.org/ http://www.yuricareport.com/

On second glance, there is no flaw in my original argument text, but it has suffered from text having run together, lost formatting due to recopying. Here is the clean text: Slipshod scholarship has mislocated the 1st and 2nd Temples, whose true location was to the South of today's traditional Temple Mount (TM): (1) 6th century Roman Historian Procopius stated that Western "Wailing Wall" was not Herodian, but built by Justinian to broaden the foundation for his massive Hagia Sophia, soon destroyed by the Persians, and rebuilt to 1/2 scale by the first Caliph of Jerusalem as a mosque to entice Jerusalem`s Christians. (2) Agrippa`s testimony of a clear view of the Temple from the Hashmonean Palace locates a spot just to the South of the TM, which would have been too high to have permitted such a view. (3) Historical documentation from the first 6 centuries demonstrates that the Temple location was well known, and conforms to the location in (2), near the Gihon Spring temple water source. The rubble excavated from the basements of the Waqf on the TM proves the TM was built well after the 2nd century CE. http://www.biblemysteries.com/lectures/builtwailingwall.htm http://www.templemount.org/sagiv2/index.html http://www.templemount.org/sagiv2/drawing20.jpg The following link presents a wealth of historical studies demonstrating that the Temple Mount location was well known up to the 7th century, and conforms to Herod Agrippa`s sighting of it, south of the current "Temple Mount", reared by Emperor Justinian as a platform for his Hagia Sophia in Jerusalem. However, this site neglects the other evidence in my post, which completes the true historical picture.http://www.askelm.com/temple/t991001.htm

labarse can you autosend all your posts to delete? they have nothing to do with talkback !

It's so easy to spot the idiots

Not only not genuine, but ignorant as well it seems. There are an estimated 120 000 + Jews who call Australia home! The first Jews came to Australia on the First Fleet 1788, and around 1896 there was an influx of Jewish immigration (and others) during the gold rush to Australia - long before my birth in Australia. The shame of the treatment dealt to the original inhabitants of Australia, lives on to this day. Fortunately Australia 2007, is not a theocracy, and there is no comparison between Australia and apartheid Israel. However, we do have racist elements in the Howard government who appear to be dedicated to improving living standards of Aborigines at election time - the same Howard gov. that supports USrail!! The day will come when Jerusalem will be administered by a combined international body, made up of the three major religions, whether Israel likes it or not. Kind regards.

First, apologies for an expired link in my reference to Procopius'report on Justinian's Hagia Sophia in Jerusalem, PROVING THE JEWISH TEMPLES WERE NEVER LOCATED ON THE TEMPLE MOUNT (TM) http://www.biblemysteries.com/lectures/builtwailingwall.htm NONE of your undocumented proofs to the contrary even appear reasonable. In addition to my previous rebuttal comments, for example the octagonal foundation layout of the Dome of the Rock indeed mimics that of a Byzantine church, matching the outline of the surrounding double size pavement which was doubtless the original outline of Justinian's 6th century Jerusalem Hagia Sophia on the TM. Such a foundation outline could NEVER have been based on any reconstruction of Herod's Temple attempted by Julian in the 4th century. No way did Heraclius, in the 7th century build a Christian church on the site of the Dome of the Rock following Julian's 4th century 3rd Temple foundation plan (363 AD - http://bibleprobe.com/rebuildingthetemple.htm ) .

(a repeat of the reply to u - Haaretz did not put up.)"For if thou wast cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wast grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: HOW MUCH MORE SHALL THESE, WHICH BE THE NATURAL BRANCHES, BE GRAFTED INTO THEIR OWN OLIVE TREE?... until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in, and so ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED." Romans11. Israel will be the central focus in the New Millennium, wild branches will never replace natural branches. But G-D will replaced people that support dividing HIS Chosen City meant only for HIS Chosen People. Some leaders bow to pressure from within without, find easy way out. frankly i didn't copy your "Esau-version", i'm working, i can't read all articles in Haaretz daily during lunch hours/nites. Where/which article?

how does what you say change in any way what she's said? did you have any point to make? oh but wait!...i forgot! it's that tired old "but mommy, ronnie did it to johnnie; so why can't i?" try coming up with something new... that old line is very...and i mean very... old news.

Flatulence can for a fact be passed in written form!

This is the 21st century, Israel's effort to create fact on the ground over Jerusalem won't go anywhere. The world peace depends on Jerusalem's destiny. Jewish everywhere should learn to live with that. PALESTINIANS WERE NOT LIKE INDIAN in AMERICA and ABORIGINS in AUSTRALIA. This issue won't go away just like that.

The Olmert Offce has no intention to take down Israel, in fact it's laudable that he ever lead the Protest March against dividing Jerusalem. But now under pressure from within without, his Scandals not over, he seeks an easy road out using his human wisdom instead of doing G-D's will. Gone are the "Guide Jerusalem till the last man standing" dream, see Gaza? may be my tone abit over the edge, i'm not cursing Israel. ""..For if thou wast cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wast grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: HOW MUCH MORE SHALL THESE, WHICH BE THE NATURAL BRANCHES, BE GRAFTED INTO THEIR OWN OLIVE TREE?... until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in, and so ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED." Romans11. when G-D grafted Israel back, HE will not unroot her, someone will raise up against Olmert & replace him if he betray Israel. re: copycat? i'm working in a school, only can take time off to read Haaretz during lunch / nite, frankly i didn't read your "Esau".

Look around at the political scene,the fantasy talks,the absurd suggestions of dividing Jerusalem and swapping land.The totally lopsided prisoner swap arrangements being leaked left right and centre.Amongst all of the clowns in the circus Netanyahu seems to have the biggest and best red nose...come on in Bibi Olmert needs too say arrividerci....

You can find all the proof from the Holy Bible, Biblical Archaeology, Ancient History and Holman QuickSource Bible Atlas [2005] by Holman Bible Publishers, ISBN 10: 0-8054-9445-6.

Speaking of realization.............and being hypocritical.............and denying your subjects what you advocate for far away strangers.

This one is on "Auto-Send".Works on a snappy little piece of software I wrote myself.This way I will be in touch at all times Meeester Harris.

Brod, if you are going to use historical claims, please provide proof and accurate chronology. Firstly, there is no evidence of Hebrew artifacts c. 2000BC, but plenty of Canaanite settlements and potsherds with Canaanite writing. Secondly, how could there have been an "Israel" at the time of Abraham and Isaac, when Jacob, aka Israel, had not had his twelve sons, who are the tribes of Israel? Thirdly, the nation of Israel was not founded until c. 1000BC by the legendary King David and was disbanded in the 8th c. BC by Babylonians and Assyrians. Judaea ceased to exist as a kingdom in the 6th century BC. So how many years of existence does that make for the original kingdom of Israel?

There probably was a ruler named David, although no concrete evidence has been found as yet. The capture and purchase of Jerusalem would have occurred c. 1004BC. So David did not found Jerusalem, he settled it with Israelites and made the Jebusites serfs, allowing them to cohabit. Records of a settlement in that area date from c. 3000BC, long before evidence of Hebrew migration. Genesis relates the visit to Jerusalem by Abraham, at which time the ruler is named Melchizedek. Historically, there is proof that a king named Abdu-Heba ruled "Urusalim" (as the city is called in the Amarna letters) at the time of Pharaoh Akhnaton. In a text dated c. 1350BC, Abdu-Heba begs Akhnaton to send archers to protect the city from the "Hapiru" (Hebrew?) marauders. Biblical evidence proving that Jebusites ruled the city before David appears in Samuel. These are just a few references. Online, there is a brief, very readable "King David and Jerusalem: Myth and Reality."

the US would breath heavily down their neck as well! 'Survivability' of Israel, and world peace, heavily depends on Jerusalem being shared!

When you count the 2000 years of minimal Jewish presence in Palestine as general absence, and the fact that the Samaritans were generally ancestors of the Palestinians, it is arguable that the Palestinians have occupied Palestine for roughly 3000 years. That entitles them to at least equal consideration with the Jews. A couple of hundred years ago, Jews comprised some 10% of the population of Palestine, a small percentage in any case. This is of far more significance than ancient history, which is irrelevant for land claims, or chaos would erupt globally. The recent demographics, of recent centuries have the most weight. The Palestinians have been most gracious in offering the Israelis the Saudi solution, an offer Israel can hardly afford to refuse.

I provided sources for every point. You provide none. Fort Antonia was just to the North of the Jewish Temples, which were South of the present Temple Mount. Read the materials I linked. Heraclius was contemporary with Mohammed, but Justinian preceded them by half a century. The "House of Trumpeting" relic was a fragment of Temple debris which Justinian missed in filling his Hagia Sophia platform with all the rubble within convenient distance of his platform. This included the area of the Jewish temples adjacent to the platform to the South. The Temple Mount is filled with mixed rubble from all periods preceding the sixth century. You will need to document your assertions.

"Olmert has guts and is not afraid to speak his mind" These are the signs of a leader,which Olmert is not....Olmert is an appeaser,trying to give away Israel to pacify the pals..what he refuses to recognize is that the pals want IT ALL, and no amount of appeasing will satisfy them. He should be replace asap. BTW,he has No guts and speaks,not his mind,but what he thinks is politically beneficial to him.

Go back to Moldavia and north africa where they can nag our enemies to tears.

Olmert has GUTS, you say. More like Impudence and Nerve when he has failed miserably in his Leadership of the War in Lebanon last year, is quoted as being the most 'Unpopulat Prime Minister Israel has ever had with 2/3% popularity poll showing, and now appears to be giving away chunks of Jerusalem to appease the Arabs. Weak and negative Leadership has no place in the Israel of today and Olmert has to Resign.

Sorry Ivar, I cannot see that Jews and Palestinians - who remember are not jews but ARABS - have equal rights to Jerusalem. Then one can say that Jews and Arabs have equal rights to Mecca and Medina ? No? why equal rights to Jerusalem and NOT to Mecca and Medina? To be fair, it has to cut both ways. You can have your Mecca and medina, and the Jews will keep Jerusalem for themselves. After all King David founded JERUSALEM for his Jewish people and for them alone. Jerusalem must never be divided again.

When Sharon was planning the Hitnatkut debacle, Netanyahu didn't quit the government. He stayed in until the week prior to, when it was too late for his quitting to mean anything. Now Likud wants Shas to do what Likud was unprepared to do itself? That's called hypocrisy. Shas and Yisrael Beitenu should have resigned long ago. They don't belong in the same government as Labor and Barak. The way I see it, Kadima is nothing but a collection of egomaniacs who are more interested in keeping their MK Volvos and offices, than in the welfare of the country, or anyone or anything else. (Like principles, decency, democracy, education!!!)

the messages tinker man and your sod peat fires in your caravan are just the same !!! get a brain !

They are not planning on giving the Arab East-Jerusalem neighourhoods only, but ALSO: the Old City and the Temple Mount! That's the folly! They, the Pals will turn the Kotel to a public lavatory once again! AND Olmert et gov. will okay it! There must be something in the air to explain this their madness: like the second harvesting season of the heroine-poppies currently underway in Afghanistan: the intoxicating amount of pollen was measured in the air of Rome/Italy during the last harvest!

or convincing. The Golan was NOT always part of Syria. In fact, the Golan was part of Palestine until the British illegally transferred it to the French around 1922. Before 1922, you have to go back to ancient history to find the Golan under the control of Syrians. And Gamla, a large, ancient Jewish city, is in the Jewish Golan. BTW, Israel already has 20+ Arab/Muslim states breathing down her neck. Unless there are fundamental changes in the way Arab societies operate (look at what the Ikhwan is trying to do in Egypt right now), that will not change no matter how much land Israel surrenders for the illusion of peace. Sure, sometimes Israeli politicians use phony excuses. But the threat of qassems and suicide bombers isn't one of those phony excuses.

What a mess this world would be, if all the natios or states would be stucked to the things which happened 4000 years ago! Do not use the Bible for the poltical purposes. It is completely against the message of the Bible.

The Antonia fortress was precisely where the Romans broke into the Temple grounds before destroying the Temple in 70 CE. How can U explain for that if the Temple was somewhere else completely? How can U explain Herod building the platform under what is now Al-Aqsa as part of his Temple renovations? How do you explain the fact that Heraclius used the foundation of Julian's Temple to partly build the Church that the conquering Arabs completed as the Dome of the Rock? How do you explain the stone on which is written "to the House of trumpeting," and which was found directly below the Temple Mount's southwest corner? How do you explain the fact that the Romans and Muslims both let Jews into Jerusalem once a year, to pray at the Western Wall on the 9th of Av? Or that the first Arab conquerors in J'lem excavated the Western Wall of the garbage that the Byzantines had been dumping at the Wall, as an insult to the Jews in its first Christian centuries? If there was no Wall?

Right now, while the Waqf opposes sharing the Temple Mount and Old City, and opposes letting any non-Jews pray on the Mount, sharing isn't one of the options. Let us know when the PA is ready and willing to share, and then we can talk about sharing.

Long before there was a UN Israel was already in existence since the time of their forefathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob 4000 years ago!

Without getting into a full blown argument about the accuracy of your conclusioins (with which I disagree); What's the point? If, as you say, the Temple was somewhere else, does that mean that that area (wherever you think it was) is the area that Jews ought to control instead of the Temple Mount?

Indeed, it was a shocking SHAME! Jews were barred from entering their Holy Sites to pray there....and Jewish Holy Sites were disgustingly desecrated by Moslims who intentionally uri.... there. Nothing like it happens today when under Jewish control, everything everywhere is kept clean, well-guarded with its sanctity preserved and if these places should ever go back into Muslim hands again we may expect even worse things to happen. Olmert should know.

Maybe Olmert just wants finally to follow the UN resolutions 252,452,476,478 among the others concerning Jerusalem.The legimity of the unification of Jerusalem has never been accepted by the International Community -not even by US. And if you say, that Un has nothing to do with Israel, do not forget that there would be no state of Israel without UN.

A 'Parliamentary strike' .....? Nope, that won't work. All those people are Olmert's cronies..... dont you understand? and they don't want to be out of a job after because those 'perks'they get are enormous and their wives wont let them. Must be something clever, strategic.... Yigal Shameer is still in jail, isn't he....? [tongue in cheek]. Olmert and his 'shalom achshav' wife are a blight on Israel.......

It never was. Not under the Turks, not under the Brits, not under the Jordanians. Israel tripled the size of the city by annexing land to the east and north, land that never had anything to do with the city. Now that the Arabs want it back, the Israelis yell "we will not divide Jerusalem!!". Such liars. Its like NYC annexing New Jersey, New Jersey wanting the land back, and Bloomberg yelling "we will not divide NYC!!!".

In 1948 Jordan had big guns on the Strategic high ground of Mount of Olives, Old Jewish cemetary, and fired them pounding the Jewish Quarter in the Old City as well as West Jerusalem. In 1967 Jordan fired cannons at Western Jerusalem and snipers fired from atop the Old City walls. Under Jordanian rule Jewish tombstones were used to pave roads. When Josefs Tomb fell to Palestinians in Nablus they set it afire and hacked at it with pick axes and repainted it green to symbolize Islam. When Israeli reservists got lost in Palestinian areas they were LYNCHED by a mob. In 1967 after Egypt, Syria and Jordan prepared to destroy Israel Israeli paratroopers rushed into the Old City, many getting killed, re-uniting Jerusalem under Jewish control again after about 2000 years. A few years ago 10,000 Jews were made homeless in Gaza and now Hamas rules there. For these reasons and more LEAVE OLD CITY AND Mt Of Olives ALONE!!!!

"I will pray that the jewish poeploe have not lost all of their resepect and can be strong enough for a coup to overthrow the govt" Is treason not a crime in Israel?

It is high time they do the responsible thing to protect Israel from being usurped by Islamist-Jihadists. Dark forces are trying so hard to pressure Israel into dismemberment so that they can get closer to achieving their Manifesto of destroying Israel. Israel must protect itself from such ravenous wolves no matter what the world of Antisemites say! Antisemites and Islamist-Jihadists exterminated 6 million Jews in WWII. Once again we see their ugly heads emerging, to harass, torment, attack and usurp Israel from the Jews. It is the responsibility of the government of Israel to protect and defend the nation against these dark forces. Doing the responsible thing for the nation is an act of supreme courage and leadership of the leaders in government.

The people voted for Sharon's Kadima yet this govt put LABOR in charge of DEFENSE AND What Israel will Leave!

Stop making excuses for the Zionist regime to hold back on negotiations. The Jews keep stealing Palistinian land as they buy for time. Both Palestinians and Jews have historically settled the land at the same time. What gives the Jews the right to hold on to Jerusalem. East Jerusalam must be the Palestinian capital. Period. Also the jews must give back the Golan Heights back to Syria these lands have always been Syria's. Period. If the Jews do not comply they will have 22 angry Arab states breathing down their neck.

Still keeping up the "Facade". Keep up the good work Paul.As long as you are busy posting your usual garbage you cannot be hurting Palestinians from your trailer in the Occupied Territories.It will soon be time to "Break camp".

what the Israeli politicians want: to take Israel down? After all we are supposed to believe that first when Messiah arrives, there will be an "Israel", a country for the Jews. Maybe the Israeli politicians are more orthodox than we thought? PS.: I do not appreciate that you copycat my Esau-version from my yesterday's letter! Are you short of imagination and ideas of your own?

Many things are being said about Olmert..He is a lawyer but not a leader, crook and whatever nonsense. Bibi, who failed miserably when he had a chance, continues to incite and undermine urging Shas & Lieberman to quit etc. One thing we all have to admit, including Bibi, is that Olmert has guts and is not afraid to speak his mind openly and debate in the Knesset, any subject that may result in peace and security for Israel. This is leadership and this is democracy, Bibi.

walked out and refused to work with Olmert as its PM anymore! Call it a "Parliamentary strike".

Did you learn this from Hitler's Mein Kampf? Seek medical care for your obsession on the JEWISH Temple Mount!

Shas: If Jerusalem`s fate discussed... coalition survivability...far from certain. Nuuuuu ? Who says that Shas does not leave the doors open, in both ways.

Today we are negotiating with PLO. Tomorrow, they will be replaced by Hamas and Hizbollah - it is inevitable. Hamas is the majority party in the Palestinian people. Do we want H + H in Jerusalem, lobbing bombs on us while we daven at the Kotel? Is there anyone rational and non-suicidal in the government of Israel? Will that person please stand up.

Olmert STILL here, since failing disastrously in Lebanon.... fails in almost everything else done since..... and failing AGAIN in this the most important issue today in resolving the status of Jerusalem with the Palestinians during Peace Talks. OLMERT LOOKS MORE AND MORE REDUNDANT DAY BY DAY AND BEFORE HE WILL GIVE AWAY JERUSALEM AND BE THE CAUSE OF ISRAEL'S FINAL DESTRUCTION.....OLMERT MUST RESIGN. A Master Strategist.....How can anyone get rid of this man whohas to face conviction after conviction and a wife who is Shalom Achshav and possibly 'the power behind the throne ' .... !Any recommendations anyone?Please answer.

your reading of realpolitik is way off beam ! israel is the cornerstone of the us hold on the mid east ! especially with the russian bear awakening !

So there you have it, if the US wont pay then the game is up. Israel could also face an American embargo on diamonds that would add another $9 Billions annually in lost revenues. Israel simply can't do anything else but to play ball. If the US is to provide for military hardware and diplomatic immunity for Israel, Israel can't go against stated American interests, as Condy described the imminent establishment of a free and independent Palestine. With oil at an ALL TIME HIGH and the dollars at an ALL TIME LOW(against the Euro) Israel is needing aid from the yanks at a never ever seen level and as if this wasn't the absolute pits, here is another nail in the occupying coffin, -the occupied Palestinians know all this and they like it. It gives them the upper hand for once. "A time frame first or we wont go to Annapolis", they will get it and my bet is that it will all be sorted out before Bush leaves office. Israel can torpedo it, but then it will sink.

Julian's Third Temple project is conveniently detailed at: http://bibleprobe.com/rebuildingthetemple.htm 1. Herod Agrippa ruled from 37-44, making him a daily eyewitness to the glory of Herod's Temple, which his testimony located to the South of the present Temple Mount. In Julian's (355-363) day, though the Jews knew well the location of their temple, all physical traces of it had been removed. There was NO Western Wall! 2. There is no historic evidence locating Julian's construction on the "Temple Mount". Indeed, the descriptions from which the location might be deduced harmonize far better with the location to the South of the Temple Mount in various articles presented at http://www.askelm.com/temple/t991001.htm 3. The first link above indeed REFUTES the possibility that Julian's aborted temple project could possibly have been on the Temple Mount, on account of the report of total absence of any part of the earlier temple structure. Here we read that the local Jews carried away what remains of the temple could be found, such that NONE of the original structure remained. 4. The Waqf basement excavations on the Temple Mount PROVE that both First and Second Temple debris were swept up from the broad environs of the Temple Mount area and used as FILL by the Temple Mount builder, who could ONLY HAVE BEEN JUSTINIAN, AND NOT HEROD, BECAUSE HEROD WOULD NOT HAVE PUT SECOND TEMPLE DEBRIS DEEP WITHIN HIS ALLEGED TEMPLE MOUNT. Also, these debris have contained Roman coins and artifacts clearly decades after the completion of the Second Temple. The fill of the Temple Mount clearly dates it after Herod the Great. 5. The Temple Mount was the location of the Roman fortress of Antonia, and the seat of the Roman government of Jerusalem and Judea. The Hashmonean architectural features which may be authentic would have served the prominent and politically central Antonia fortress, and not the Temple Mount. Robinson's and Warren's Arches in the Temple Mount could just as well have been Justinian's handiwork.

There is no need for rivalry and contention over the Temple Mount, whose historical and archeological value must be respected and developed, but which was NOT the location of the Jewish temples: Slipshod scholarship has mislocated the 1st and 2nd Temples, whose true location was to the South of today's traditional Temple Mount (TM): (1) 6th century Roman Historian Procopius stated that Western "Wailing Wall" was not Herodian, but built by Justinian to broaden the foundation for his massive Hagia Sophia, soon destroyed by the Persians, and rebuilt to 1/2 scale by the first Caliph of Jerusalem as a mosque to entice Jerusalem`s Christians. (2) Agrippa`s testimony of a clear view of the Temple from the Hashmonean Palace locates a spot just to the South of the TM, which would have been too high to have permitted such a view. (3) Historical documentation from the first 6 centuries demonstrates that the Temple location was well known, and conforms to the location in (2), near the Gihon Spring temple water source. The rubble excavated from the basements of the Waqf on the TM proves the TM was built well after the 2nd century CE. http://www.biblemysteries.com/lectures/builtwailingwall.htmhttp://www.templemount.org/sagiv2/index.htmlhttp://www.templemount.org/sagiv2/drawing20.jpg The following link presents a wealth of historical studies demonstrating that the Temple Mount location was well known up to the 7th century, and conforms to Herod Agrippa`s sighting of it, south of the current "Temple Mount", reared by Emperor Justinian as a platform for his Hagia Sophia in Jerusalem. However, this site neglects the other evidence in my post, which completes the true historical picture.http://www.askelm.com/temple/t991001.htm

there must be a seperation of religion and state. Do we really want Ovadia Yosef rulling the state.Enough of their evil tongue, and using religion as a means of political and financial gain.

Palestinians have equal rights to Jerusalem as their capital, and future peace depends on a culture and an atmosphere of sharing, even if the sharing is on the basis of division. It's not only right and just, but lays the foundation of future cooperation between two closely related peoples, Jews and Palestinians. Abraham, after all, was an Iraqi from Ur, and the father of both nations. By cooperating and dealing equitably and fairly with the Palestinians, the Jewish nation serves its own future interests as an accepted, trusted member of the Middle East community of nations. Sharing Jerusalem makes eminent sense.

"Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentils; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, an went his way; thus Esau despised his birthright." Genesis25:34. For a pottage of lentils (Olmert`s pottage of fake peace) Esau sold his birthright. Jerusalem isn`t just any city like washington to US, London to the Brits, Beijing to China,... Jerusalem flows thru the jews` blood stream, it`s G-D elected and chosen, not to be divided! It one thing to lost Jerusalem to romans, turks, crusaders, arabs during wars, but it another thing to give it up willingly during talks. G-D will remove Olmert and his kadima if he betray HIM, just like Esau the oldest son lost his blessing. Jerusalem and all refugees' return should be a NO-NO. Haniyeh will defeat Abbas and move Hamas from Gaza to East Jerusalem. You will have Qassams flying into the Wailing Wall Area in no time, enjoy.

Lieberman, the Russian thug, already said that he agrees with Olmert. Shas minister, Ely Yishay, said that Shas MAY bolt the Govt. not that Shas WILL bolt. This is code language meaning that if the price is right they will stay. Yishay and his Rav Ovadya would both sell their mothers souls if the price is right.

Olmert clearly plans to divide Jerusalem G-d forbid. The question is if he remains in power or is ousted before doing any more damage. Even a cat only has 9 lives and Olmerts scandals are piling up one on top of another.

if we split jerusalem I will pray that the jewish poeploe have not lost all of their resepect and can be strong enough for a coup to overthrow the govt when we divide our home for arabs we shall self destruct, hopefully israel will not die and only be a dream once more.............

The likud can ask the shas and leberman to quit.Bibi has forgotten that Olmert bought and paid the price to get the shas and lieberman to do his wishes.Shas wants the money only All the commotion is just a smoke screen.Lieberman wants to be a minister no matter who he sells on the way including his wife and mother.The dirty politics of Israel led by the corrupt Olmert