Lieberman urges diplomats: Show world Israel has done enough for peace

1) You at least admit your error on the changes you claimed was made on the PLO charter. 2) With regards to the 2000 Gaza airport closing and blockades as a precursor to the rockets. You conveniently left out it was temporary, and in response to the Al-Aska intifada(the second intifada) started by Arafat in response and rejection of the Camp David offer of peace. 3) You accuse me of being a Jewish person apparently as an insult. As you write: "You have a great deal of audacity, and are a typically insulting Jew." Revealing your antisemitic nature, rendering your opinions unworthy and bias. Your twisting of the facts to suit your agenda clearly shows the selective nature of your rage. Dennis Ross also wrote a book, which confirms my interpretation of events at Camp David. Since you didn't state what you disagreed with and I haven't read Mr. Tenet's book your vague response is meaningless about that subject.

I did not attend any of the events at issue. So I rely on reporting of people who did attend such events, or know what transpired. You did not attend either, but you just present personal opinions and call the quoted fact lies. You are a typical Jew. When Jews read or hear something they dont like, they immediately attack the reporter as a liar or anti-semite, or both. If you believe Erekat the negotiator who was there with Olmert and Abbas, you are a liar. Regarding your claim of the release of terrorist, every other one of your opinions has been erroneous, why not this one? Unless you have some proof, I don't believe you. You are a liar. I cannot find proof the amended PLO charter was ratified. . Every word of my post on Camp David was from the book by George Tenent, CIA Director who attended every meeting. Unless you have a better source, you are a liar. I can't find proof that Arafat later accepted the offer. So, you are a liar.

You have a great deal of audacity, and are a typically insulting Jew. In #125 you read specific dates when specific actions took place in Gaza during the 2000-01 period to impose the blockade. First Qassam missile fired Feb 2002. You dismiss the data with one simple sentence repeating the reason the data was presented. If you have data to refute that presented, submit it. Your disregard for the facts is meaningless and of no interest me.That takes chutzpah, if not intellect. Every word of the comments on Camp David were taken from the book by George Tenet, the CIA director who attended every meeting. I will accept his account and dismiss yours. I know George, and will tell him you think he is wrong. He laughs heartily. About the PLO charter, you may be right, even tho the recognition is sufficiently documented. I could not find proof of ratification today. If you read the posting on prisoners, you know the source. It is a European Parliament resolution dated 4 Sept 2008.

Arogant disseminating hate,and nothing constructive to impart that makes any sense. All his posts are manupilative distortions of FACT

1)Blockade started after rocket attacks not before. 2) PLO did not change their charter. They simply added a generic statement that said something to the effect of: anything you might find offensive isn't in effect. They deleted none of the previous parts. 3) Camp D. 2000: offered 95% of land plus land swap for other 5% and E. Jerusalem as capital. It was not "take it or leave it" and you left out Pres. Clinton blew up at Arafat because it was what Arafat asked for, then rejected, Clinton felt Arafat betrayed and lied to him. There's more, but you get the idea, you simply don't know what your talking about or your an accomplished liar. BTW where did you get your stats on women and children in jail, what is your source?

"Abbas` statement that he rejected 2009 Olmert offer is baffling:" I bet it's EXTREMELY baffling to you, after you pretended that Israel was challenged to put the offer on the table. It did, and Abbas admittedly rejected it. "Your problem with terrorists being released is the fact that Jews consider every imprisoned Palestinian a terrorist: " You are a nutcase. I mentioned prisoner releases as a step Israel has taken toward peace, given your challenge to indicate what Israel has done toward peace. You have nothing to base your erroneous conclusion of my opinion upon, so you resort to lying. "PLO did amend its charter during 9-10 Sept 1993." No, it didn't. You are lying. There is no amended version of the charter ratified by a vote. "Camp David 2000...(insert bull) ...The offer was take it or leave it. Arafat left it." You're lying about the parameters. Arafat was encouraged by several Arab countries to accept. He accepted about a year later. Couldn't have been that bad, eh?

"Blockade started Sept 2000 along with closure of Gaza airport." No, schlep, that' wasn't the start of the blockade. However, that was an initial response to the beginning of the intifada. I know, I know, a Jewish politician dared to visit the Temple Mount, right?

Blockade started Sept 2000 along with closure of Gaza airport. Sept '01 Israel sealed all exit and entry points. Oct 9,'01 Israel halted all movement of people and goods between Israel and Gaza. Nov 14,'01 complete internal closure was effected. First Qassam rocket was fired into Israel in Feb 2002. Human Rights watch considers blockade almost genocidal. PLO did amend its charter during 9-10 Sept 1993. It confirms recognition of State of Israel, renounces terrorism recognizes UN 242 & 338, etc.,etc.
 Presume you accept zones A,B and C as peace offer silly enough not to escape you either. Camp David 2000, Barak offered percentage of occupied territories; strategic roads used only by Israelis; continued Israeli control of borders; all Palestine external trade to go thru Israel; large settlement areas and East Jerusalem to be retained by Israel, including 250 sq kilometers adjacent to East Jerusalem. The offer was take it or leave it. Arafat left it. Probably you would have also.

Abbas' statement that he rejected 2009 Olmert offer is baffling: who knows why. Following Olmert, Abbas discussions, Saeb Erekat, chief Palestinian negotiator said on Monday 27 Apr 2009, "Pres. Mahmoud Abbas submitted a far-reaching written peace proposal to the former Israeli gov't during the final days of the Bush administration," and he, Erekat, personally "presented the document to Pres. Bush during a secret trip to Washington 18 December." "Abbas asked Olmert to reply to the proposal in writing, but Olmert failed to do so." "Abbas had planned to bring the written agreement to a public referendum." Erekat said, "Olmert responded to Abbas' proposal by making public statements, but never in writing." Your problem with terrorists being released is the fact that Jews consider every imprisoned Palestinian a terrorist: including the hundreds of women and children, over 1,000 in prison on "administrative detention orders,"with no charges, no trials, nor rights of defense.

The problem with the website you selected is this: They go to other parts of Res. 242 to interpret the meaning of omitting the words "all" or "the". Since the hypotheses is wrong the conclusions of that article are wrong. We DON"T have to go to other parts of the Resolutions for "interpretation". The author's of UN Res. 242 are on the public record saying exactly what they meant. The UN was not to, nor should it impose a solution, rather it was to be negotiated by the parties involved. More importantly they fully expected Israel to keep some of the land they acquired in that war for security purposes. This nullifies your premise...and the article you cite conclusions...that land acquired though war is illegal to keep, it is completely legal and was the expected outcome of the negotiation according to the author's of Resolution 242.

Blockade started Sept 2000 along with closure of Gaza airport. Sept '01 Israel sealed all exit and entry points. Oct 9,'01 Israel halted all movement of people and goods between Israel and Gaza. Nov 14,'01 complete internal closure was effected. First Qassam rocket was fired into Israel in Feb 2002. Human Rights watch considers blockade almost genocidal. PLO did amend its charter during 9-10 Sept 1993. It confirms recognition of State of Israel, renounces terrorism recognizes UN 242 & 338, etc.,etc.
Presume you accept zones A,B and C as peace offer silly enough not to escape you either. Camp David 2000, Barak offered percentage of occupied territories; strategic roads used only by Israelis; continued Israeli control of borders; all Palestine external trade to go thru Israel; large settlement areas and East Jerusalem to be retained by Israel, including 250 sq kilometers adjacent to East Jerusalem. The offer was take it or leave it. Arafat left it. Probably you would have also.

Since it takes two to tango,and one cannot abide to the rules without the ones WHO SHOULD FOLLOW and don't.They seem to want it both ways. As you say:"Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict; 2]Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries. 3]Most IMPORTANT being "free from threats/acts of force. 4]Sorry Ita the ones who disagree have a biased & blinkered view. Notice that it ALSO says to get rid of "BELLIGERENCY"and for RESPECT of the sovereignty of EVERY state... gee somehow THAT is left out. 4]Gee much has been lefty out.Wonder why? Could it be the writers HERE re-write BY presenting their version which only shows the wrong conclusion? 5]I say YES . TWO WAY STREET!!!!! NOT Just Israel!!!!!!!

"A.Gaza withdrawal. Only to impose a near genocidal blockade." Blockade came after 4 years of rocket attacks & a Hamas election. No genocide, or "near" genocide. "B. Recognition of PLO. After the PLO recognized the State of Israel and renounced violence." They PROMISED to, but never amended their charter. "C. Creation of zones A,B, and C. The offers for peace in that change in the administration of occupied Palestinian territory escapes me, and the rest of the world." Doesn't take much to escape you. There was the 2000 offer and Olmert's offer. "D. Several peace agreements. The only serious agreement was 2009 by Olmert. Abbas said "with that offer we can have peace in two days." The EU agreed, and the Quartet asked Israel to make the offer binding. It never did." Liar, Abbas just admitted that he rejected it. Don't forget December 2000. "E. No terrorists released. Outposts demolishment was not a peace offer" Terrorists WERE released. Outpost removal was a step on the Roadmap.

It is just a POLITICAL ploy posed by all politicians,be it Israeli,or the US. Many other' political parties in other countries used the same method. That's the name of the political GAME.

Do you ever,agree with anyone here with your responses? Are they all wrong, and you right? I think you are a very arrogant person that does not give credit where credit is due. No modicum of understanding the other's view point,and only yours is right? I noticed that for awhile.

"We had a lovely discussion last year about your membership in the Party - you intimated that otherwise you would not be able to get your thesis defended and your career would be affected - one can not be a worker 'on ideological front' without the membership." You are either disastrously delirious or confusing me with someone else. I did my first degree in Israel and MA & PhD in France, quite recently too. Not on "Marxism-Leninism" but on intellectual history of zionism in relation to the politics of the early zionist urban planning. To be sure, during the last years of the communist part I was in still the high school. In Jan 1991, in Vilnius, I was sitting on the street barricades facing the nozzles and smelling the smoke of the Soviet tanks which your country's communist party had idea of sending to break the Lithuanian national uprising. Why won't you google-up haaretz.com archives for finding out with whom you spoke last year if it wasn't a fruit of your feverish mind.

"Criticizing ... FM for his alleged party inconsistency does not constitute argument against content of his statements" Look, 17, I am repeating for the third and the last time: Lieberman makes conclusion from something that didn't take place, and as far as the FM is concerned, it will not take place because of his conclusion. If the upside down logic escapes your grasp, please ask your relatives to help you with reading simple texts. The "alleged" party inconsistency is a separate, (I am repeating: separate) issue along the same lines. Even if you reword FM's opposition to negotiations in some logical form (e.g "I simply don't want negotiations to take place"), his statement is a pure mental trouble, as being the top representative of the government for the outside world he managed to air his opposition to negotiations the very same day as Netanyahu aired his commitment to negotiations. Read the above very very attentively and consult your friends before replying.

"Criticizing ... FM for his alleged party inconsistency does not constitute argument against content of his statements" Look, 17, I am repeating for the third and the last time: Lieberman makes conclusion from something that didn't take place, and as far as the FM is concerned, it will not take place because of his conclusion. If the upside down logic escapes your grasp, please ask your relatives to help you with reading simple texts. The "alleged" party inconsistency is a separate, (I am repeating: separate) issue along the same lines. Even if you reword FM's opposition to negotiations in some logical form (e.g "I simply don't want negotiations to take place"), his statement is a pure mental trouble, as being the top representative of the government for the outside world he managed to air his opposition to negotiations the very same day as Netanyahu aired his commitment to negotiations. Read the above very very attentively and consult your friends before replying.

Sir, Criticizing unloved FM for his alleged party inconsistency does not constitute argument against content of his statements - it is just your lingering habit to worry about Party line. We had a lovely discussion last year about your membership in the Party - you intimated that otherwise you would not be able to get your thesis defended and your career would be affected - one can not be a worker "on ideological front" without the membership. Devoted Marxist-Leninist you still adhere to your Party line on "Zionist aggressors"...

"# Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from 'territories occupied' in the recent conflict Israel cannot 'occupy' it's own territories. "Notice that it ALSO says to get rid of "BELLIGERENCY"and for RESPECT of the sovereignty of EVERY state... gee somehow THAT is left out.." The state of Egypt, Jordan gave Israel peace BECAUSE Israel withdrew from their territories. Israel has not withdrawn from the other 'territories occupied', the citizens of the non-state entity of Palestine have a right to resist.

What Lieberman does is a reflection of good old times which cannot be sufficient to provide safety for his people and also for others in the Middle East. one needs to grab and utilize any chance for peace, unless of course if he doesnot have another agenda or is on a mission from God like some other world leaders which I'm sure u all know:)

it says "# Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict; # Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force; Notice that it ALSO says to get rid of "BELLIGERENCY"and for RESPECT of the sovereignty of EVERY state... gee somehow THAT is left out.. TWO WAY STREET!!!!! NOT Just Israel!!!!!!!

"We have gone above and beyond; even the decision to freeze settlement construction was dramatic, not simple, yet we did it." "Stop creating illusions and disseminating things that have no connection to reality," Lieberman warned. If Lieberman were clever, I'd say he's being deliberately ironic. Unfortunately, he's not being deliberately ironic. He's just being Lieberman.

Israel knows that it has to stop the settlements and construction. Anything less than that is not enough.

A very different Israel.

Thanks for the website to give me an idea of how you form opinions. I did notice that in the discussion about territories and whether "all" or "the" was used and how to interpret the meaning...of how much territory...would satisfy 242. Apparently the author of the article chose NOT to read what the authors of the resolution(242), quite clearly stated. So there is no need to interpret anything by looking to other parts of the resolution. Although it sounds good and does give a pseudo-intellectual flare to the article. Israel was expected to keep some of the land, period. The author's did not want the UN to impose a solution, but rather have it negotiated by the parties involved in the war. Since they expected Israel to retain some unknown amount of land, clearly keeping land acquired in war was NOT prohibited. This was true after WW1, the Ottoman Empire which sided with the Germans, never got back the land they lost in WW1. This has been true in all wars since the beginning of time.

Israel has ignored the Arab initiative, refused to talk peace with Syria, Palestine, Hamas, Hezbola; refused to abide by her committments under the Oslo accords, refused to freeze her constructions in Palestine, refused mediation, now insists upon direct talks, has consistently claimed there is no one to talk with, and has consistently threatened Iran. Now Lieberman urges Israrli diplomats to show the world that Israel has done enough to reach a peace agreement - Israel's way! Time for him to come down out of his mythological world and recognize that peace Israel's way is not peace at all, only a continuation of the status quo, i.e. war. I gave this government two years at most before it gets tosed out on its ear. One year down, and it looks like they won't make it to the second year.

"Resolution 242 was between already existing Sovereign "states", all of which already had Internationally recognized boundaries." Who internationally recognized the border between Egypt and Israel, Jordan and Israel, and Syria and Israel to be the 1949 armistice lines?

You response to "what has Israel done for peace," is welcome, because your grasp at desperate straws makes the point, no peace offers by Israel. The points you list prove it. A.Gaza withdrawal. Only to impose a near genocidal blockade, considered to be one of the world's most serious violations of human rights. B. Recognition of PLO. After the PLO recognized the State of Israel and renounced violence. The world has forgot when that was. Certainly not a memorable peace offer, and not recognized as one. C. Creation of zones A,B, and C. The offers for peace in that change in the administration of occupied Palestinian territory escapes me, and the rest of the world. D. Several peace agreements. The only serious agreement was 2009 by Olmert. Abbas said "with that offer we can have peace in two days." The EU agreed, and the Quartet asked Israel to make the offer binding. It never did. E. No terrorists released. Outposts demolishment was not a peace offer Want more? There are no more.

What has changed from the days that Palestinians came and went peacefully and worked amongst Israelis to today? Arafat called for jihad. Intil a simular leader, in their eyes, calls for peace nothing Israel does or can do will matter, shame isn't it. That is how we in the US see it.

How many peaceful Palestinians have you known to speak - publicly - of peace? Peace which doesn't involve Israelis ceding the entire country to them? How many have you known who demonstrate any capability of running a semi-viable country?

"The UN resolution 242 says that Israel must withdraw to negotiated borders" Care to point out where it 'says'... http://wp.me/pDB7k-hR Resolution 242 was between already existing Sovereign "states", all of which already had Internationally recognized boundaries. Re 242 was not between Israel and the non-state entity of Palestine. The word 'negotiate/d' is not even used. "acknowledgment of" recognized boundaries is what was called for.

Doubt any posting of mine will get through Haaretz's censors, but... #40, just what has Israel "given up" for peace. Land? Water? US aid? Nuclear weapons? Nuclear subs? LAnds taken and villages plowed under? You represent the height of hubris. You would be better for America if you put your life where your mouth is and move to Israel. You are the reason that more and more former friends of Israel are being peeled away.

http://wp.me/pDB7k-m1 Perhaps you should look the word truth up in a dictionary.

"To express the futility of certain activity before its initiation does not represent any logical irregularity." If the FM uses his powers to cancel the negotiations by justifying it that what Palestinian negotiators want (1967 borders) is not what they really want, then his discourse is illogical. Conclusion follows the argument and the praxis, not the other way round. It is also inconsistent with his party position which still holds that all they want is negotiations. "You still did not present any counter argument - apparently you do not have one." See my simpleton-friendly answer #71, lines 3-5 (from the top). "You just do not like 'stupidity' of FM". True. I don't. Do you like it? "One may just not like the former member of Communist Party of the USSR Zmogus pontificating ..." Are you sure you took your medicine today? Look, Sir, why won't you solve your accounts with your haunting communist parties silently, without taking them out of your bedroom?

"We've got the big chunk of land we were given in 1948. Now, we're offering to swap some of the land we illegally took from you since 1948, for some of your land we illegally took from you in '67, so we can keep most of your land. OK? (aside - see how fair we are :-) ?" "Er. We'd like some of our land back please" "You can't have it back we've settled it! Now what are you gonna offer us?" "? We don't have anything of yours to offer!" "See, there you go again, wanting everything, after we've been so fair! (aside - see how fair we are :-) " "But why should we swap our land for our land so you can keep our land?" "It's not your land, it's our land. We've illegally annexed it!" "Isn't that against the law?" "See there you go again. You want us to obey the laws we said we'd obey AND you want OUR land ! (aside - see how unfair they are :-) " "No. We want some of OUR Palestinian land" "Palestinian? Doesn't exist! (aside - see how fair we are to people who don't even exist :-) "

Neither Lieberman nor Haniye has done enough for peace. Neither Israel nor the Palestinians has done enough for peace. the proof,there is no peace!

The former nightclub bouncer from Moldovia has just announced to 100 Israeli diplomats that Israel is going to put any peace proposals in the dustbin for 10 to 20 years. The day before Netanyahu the Israeli Prime Minister said that there were no obstacles to creating a state for the Palestinian people. Surely it would be remiss not to refer to the life experiences of Israel's Foreign Minister and whether he has the qualifications for the job.

"Probably some peaceful Palestinians exist, but they are not famous for speaking up" More famous for being shot by the IDF

Lieberman is a liar. There is NOTHING Israel has ever done for peace, not now, not ever. Israel continues building settlements, continues evicting Palestinians from their homes, continues the daily humiliations and home raids of Palestinians, continues tear gassing and shooting of non-violent demonstrators, continues arresting and imprisoning those who support non-violent resistance to Israeli occupation and theft of Palestinian lands, continues the imprisonment of at least 10,000 Palestinians, including women and children, while complaining when one Israeli is held by Palestinians. Israel also continues to hold and colonize the Golan Heights and refuses to give Lebanon the location of the millions of cluster bomblets that litter Southern Lebanon causing death and injury to farmers, children and others who are unfortunate enough to step on one. To say that Israel has done enough for peace is a criminal and damnable lie. Israel has done NOTHING for peace.

Who is Lieberman to tell Turkey is not welcome to mediate? The time will come that Lieberman is not welcome in any country of the world accept Israel.

Sir, To express the futility of certain activity before its initiation does not represent any logical irregularity. You still did not present any counter argument - apparently you do not have one. You just do not like "stupidity" of FM. One may just not like the former member of Communist Party of the USSR Zmogus pontificating ... Hopefully I am clearer to you now - even Lieberman would understand - and you proud yourself to be less stupid than him.

"Most of the Palestinians are peaceful people. Israeli settler excesses can provoke violent reactions by a few Palestinians." Really, Vladek? If this is so, who comprises Hamas / Hezbollah? Who elected these parties to power? Who are the suicide bombers, attackers, rocket launchers? Just a handful of righteously indignant protestors who - boo-hoo - lost their land when they fled in 1948, expecting to enjoy great gains when their Arab brethren routed the Jews? Probably some peaceful Palestinians exist, but they are not famous for speaking up.

"The world wonders what Israel has done for peace that Lieberman thinks is worth mentioning" There was the Gaza withdrawal. There was the recognition of the PLO and allowing them into the region. There was the creation of Zones A, B, and C. There was the several peace agreements. There was the easing of restrictions. There was the release of convicted terrorists. There was the demolishing of settlement outposts... Want more?

Just because you spew erroneous nonsense, doesn't mean I'm lying. Regardless of your verbal diarrhea, the world calls for a negotiated settlement. That's why both sides keep being pushed toward negotiations (hint, hint). If you want to talk about lying, you can talk about the Palestinians in perpetuity.

lieberman believes that peace is not a value to be achieved. It would be bad for the future of Israel. Isael must be strong, stronger and always ready to threaten its neighbours. Expansionism and annexation must continue until the facts on the ground create impossible conditions for any kind of independent palestinian state. What he would like to see is a small Arabic kind of autonomous region, an Arab Birobayzan. He is crude, corrupt and racist and he is the best the country he represents has to offer so they must like where he is and what he says. He's just a mouthpiece, right?

The entire international diplomatic community has to stand before this baffoon with their moths agap amazed at what they hear coming from this loud mouth so utterly devoid of a brain.

Right on every point and would have been pleased if some had a modicum of knowledge and understanding with GUTS to agree to your comments. I was glad to have stayed long enough to read your sensible post with and the OBVIOUS TRUTH. Lieberman does not mince words and what he has said and all he has said since he was appointed shows the crux of the matter. If some derive pleasure calling him "the moldovan bouncer" sound more like jealousy with such vile posts.When he is uttering THE TRUTH because it does not suit them to HEAR the TRUTH.Well tough luck on them. If you do not like our Liebarman,better listen to the Islamofascists and good luck to ye.

Right on every point and would have been pleased if some had a modicum of knowledge and understanding with GUTS to agree to your comments. I was glad to have stayed long enough to read your sensible post with and the OBVIOUS TRUTH. Lieberman does not mince words and what he has said and all he has said since he was appointed shows the crux of the matter. If some derive pleasure calling him "the moldovan bouncer" sound more like jealousy with such vile posts.When he is uttering THE TRUTH because it does not suit them to HEAR the TRUTH.Well tough luck on them. If you do not like our Liebarman,better listen to the Islamofascists and good luck to ye.

The world wonders what Israel has done for peace that Lieberman thinks is worth mentioning. A 90 day freeze on settlements, while Israel continues to build 3,000 housing units in the West Bank and places Jerusalem off limits for any discussion of building limits? Continuing the harsh and humiliating occupation in the West Bank? Maintain the near genocidal blockade over Gaza? Remain in violation of international law? At which one of those peace offers should the Palestinians grasp? Abbas said there could be "peace in two days"with the offer Olmert made in 2009. The EU agreed and the Quartet told Israel to make the offer binding. It never did. Israel can offer a solid peace deal tomorrow: agree to dismantle the settlements, move the security wall to Israeli territory, lift the blockade on Gaza, and withdraw from East Jerusalem. There would be peace so quickly your head would swim. Let the bouncer go back to Moldavia, while Israel joins the international community.

Should stop forthwith.I would very much like to know what your previous jobs may have been please do tell us.It does not help anyone here who derives pleasure by naming our FM Lieberman a bouncer even if he had been. Wonder if any of you know that the Russian Immigrants who came to Israel among them professors who had to sweep the streets of Israeli towns for lack of finding work for a long time. Just damn well stop the NAME CALLING which does not advance debates,not is it SUITABLE to do so.

Abslute rubbish. As for the agreemeents under Clinton, especially what was offered at Taba, I suggest you follow the timeline on the website of Gush Shalom. Taba did go further than any other previous agreement but Barak had problems at home and that cancelled out the offer. Israel is clearly interested in land expansion and creating irreversible facts on the ground. It has been doing such since 1967. Sinai was never part of Land of Israel and Begin, good revisionist that he was, could agree to return it since he would still be able to do all in his power to annex the WB and expand the colonist project there in the heartland. No libel here and quite frankly the critics of an immoral policy based on lies. duplicity and deceit are sick and tired of having the old cannard of "antisemitism" thrown in their faces every time Israel is condemned for its immoral theft and expansionism. That is the libel.

1. "You failed to present any counter argument to FM`s position". Sir, try to read my post a bit more attentivelly. If that doesn't help, I'm explaining: A counter-argument can only follow a logical argument. I stated that arriving at conclusion before negotiation took place and thereby precluding the very negotiation is illogical. See the definitions of 'negotiation' and 'conclusion' before you reply. 2. "a lot of American college kids do unglamorous work - and intellectual insufficiencies." I see no problem with unglamorous works. Nor with intellectual insufficiency. I do see a problem with a FM beating all records of stupidity. "I suppose we both understand how substantially contaminated judgmental capabilities of the former Communists. Your past is so much dirties than his..." What "Communists"? What "dirties"? You seem to be making some peculiar conclusion here, but no argument at all. Could you, Sir, make yourself a little bit clearer and less Liebermanesque?

Israel owes much to the Palestinians for having taken their land, displaced them from homes and separated families. For the last fourty years, Palestinians have been supperessed by an occupation that has promoted Israeli settlements while continually depriving Palestinians of basic human rights. Having been in Israel and the West Bank, I have seen the occupation in action as well as the disparity between Israelis and Palestinians. Advantages have been gained by Israel. It is only just to share in those benefits with the very people from whom land, farms and homes have been taken. Most of the Palestinians are peaceful people. Israeli settler excesses can provoke violent reactions by a few Palestinians. Justice is essential for a long-lasting peace, and Israel has the capability to assure justice prevails.

He exposes Israel's true nature and intentions withouy any diplomatic filters. Give me 15 Liebermen rather than one Peres. The latter is considerably more dangerous. A Nobel peace laureate and war criminal talking about giving the Gazans "a lesson they will not forget" after having killed 400 children. A statesman indeed,

Sir, You failed to present any counter argument to FM's position, though commented on his alleged former occupation - a lot of American college kids do unglamorous work - and intellectual insufficiencies. I suppose we both understand how substantially contaminated judgmental capabilities of the former Communists. Your past is so much dirties than his...

Lieberman has zero credibility with anyone other than his fellow land thieves and crazy American "Christian" Zionists like John Hagee. He can flap his venomous gums all he wants, but no one with any rational good sense is listening.

This guy is so mistaken thinkking Israel has done enough for peace.... Also, its time to think about giving back the Golan,

Dear FM Lieberman, your comments in front of 100 diplomats concerning peace process,turkey etc. show a remarkable lack of understanding of what of your role is as israeli FM. Your job is to excecute israels foreign policy based on the governments guidelines. This is not your private playing field where you decide alone how and with whom israel negotiates or via whom. You may believe your "putin" style is working well in this neighbourhood but as you see even russia has hard times to play a meaningful role in the middle east peace process. Your conduct and comments are unworthy of an israeli FM. Keep on concentrating on Africa (it might help your daughters business development and on eastern europe where you might spent a few days to relax on our account) respectfully lJ

"I've reached the conclusion that even if we do retreat to the 1967 borders, it won't bring an end to the conflict. Even if we retreat to the last centimeter, nothing will change." -Lieberman And since the FM has reached this conclusion before proposing anything even remotely similar to the Palestinian negotiators, he is not going to propose it. To paraphrase Lieberman, 'Even if we pack altogether and go back to Europe, it will not end the conflict, therefore let's snatch more and more of the WB, and that chunk called East Jerusalem wouldn't hurt either'. I don't know how about the position of the Foreign Minister of the State of Israel, but for working as a night-club bouncer this person is obviously not enough intelligent.

So Turkey didn't Killed the Armenian , it was the Turkish people . and what about the Genocide done to the Kurds by the Turkish ?

If you talk about peace,you CANNOT bomb the other side... Turkey said always the truth from beginning to the end. and Turkey shouldn't be mediator with this Israeli government. Syria must wait. NOTE: Turkey NEVER did a genocide to armenians. Turkey has founded at 1923. So called armenian genocide was in 1918. There was NO TURKEY at that time. It was OTTOMAN EMPIRE. we have not responsibility for the GENOCIDE. In fact,Armenia must give sorry for the muslim deaths in Ottomans.

In Taba the negotiation focused on Clinton parameters that were even improved by the Israel delegation. The palestinians were not ready to accept. They have rejected the Clinton proposals beforehand as well. They rejected the partition in 1947, and they rejected ULmarts maps which even improved Israel's proposals in Taba. Israel has proved that when the debate is about real peace, it can relinquish territories. The whole of Sinai is a good example. The claim that Israel only cares about swalling territories of others is one of the worst liebels in present history. Pure antisemitism.

Lieberman scares me. But let us not forget, who made him F.M.: Bibi.

LOL Israel has done so much for peace it has killed off 40yrs of suspects. Here are their tombstones: The Scranton Mission on behalf of Nixon (1969); Sadat's land for Peace & mutual recognition (1971); Carter's call for a Geneva Conference (1977); Saudi King Fahd's peace offer (1981); The Reagan Plan (1982);The Baker Plan (1988) ; The Baker Plan ('89) The continued Taba Negotiations (2001). The Saudi Peace plan on behalf of the Arab League (2001); The unofficial Geneva Initiative (2003) The Oslo Accord (1993) And killing of Rabin (1995); 22 Arab initiative on Behalf of Syria (2201) and the 3 other Syrian Initiatives of (02 -04); the Roadmap 2004 US and Quartet which sharon and his buddies have doused in formaldyde to help render it inactive. What atrocious evil in Israel and now Lieberman wants people to believe his fib and market it. They shouldsay, "Sorry old chap I don't want people throwing rotten eggs & tomatoes at me." Dutch

And Syria's mouthy trash talker made any involvement w/ Israel an impossibility. Syria can go to hell as well as Iran and every muslim nation that allies itself against Israel. It's Israel who has the brains, technology, and needs no one. This can't be said for her enemies. they're stuck in the 7th century and w/o change, they'll be stuck there forever, much to the horror of their own backwards people. Many cannot feed themselves. Some 'progress.".

and there's Lieberman. He's a straight talker allright. But he's absolutely and utterly unacceptable for the post of foreign minister. The damage he'll cause or has already caused will haunt Israel for a long time

Foreign Minister Lieberman, Israel's best enemy.

Lieberman should resume his profession as a bouncer!!!

"The world" feels and 'knows' down deep that the continuing unjust situation in the Middle East keeps fueling tensions in 'their world'. Without pointing a finger to either side of the M-East challenge: Who, or what human made structures- benefit from nurturing and feeding this global conflict?

Why Netanyahu keeps lying? Ten month freeze can only mean two things: 1- By the end of ten months we will have negotiated a peace and we will start building again? or 2- we will not have negotiated peace and we will start building again? What is the difference between these two positions? NONE. What is there to negotiate? Netayahu has said very clearly that: -The problem will not be solved in Israel; - There are no concessions on: Settlements will continue, houses demolishing will continue, no right of return, no compensation, Palestine is Jordan, The Palestinian state will not exist, Israel is a jewish country. etc. What is there to negotiate? Mass transportation to Amman?

If you provoke the tiger everyday you may reasonably expect something to happen to you.

"Only one problem: the world does not recognize the illegal and immoral settlements" Problem solved. The world recognizes the need of a negotiated settlement culminating in mutually recognized borders. How many times have the Palestinians rejected offers which would provide them with their own country? Seems like there's more negotiating to do, given that Israel won't stand for a complete ethnic cleansing of Jews from areas outside of the green line. Maybe the line needs some adjusting? Are your Palestinian friends willing to compromise on that? Doesn't seem that way!

....settler/thug Lieberman. The nerve of this man to make such statements. The farce of a settlement freeze is only intended to buy time and excludes 3000 homes, public buildings and East Jerusalem in occupied territory. Yes Israel has done more than enough for peace and since the Palestinians have no interest in peace ,Israel will build like mad in occupied WB. Only one problem: the world does not recognize the illegal and immoral settlements

Lieberman, you may find that by withdrawing to the 1967 borders, dismantling the settlements, and acting like a so-called 'democracy', you just might earn back some of that long lost credibility Israel has managed to stupidly squander over the last few decades. Do not think that the US government will be allowed to support Israel so lopsidedly much longer. You have permanently lost many millions of Americans who blindly gave support. It is going to take quite a bit of compromise on your part to earn our trust back. Starting with the 67 borders.

Benefits of peaceful existence are available to all. It takes only focus and purpose on those elements beneficial to the population. Israel does not owe anything to Pals. The Pals could do everything that Israel has done, if only they would give up obsession with violence, religious extremism, and teaching of hatred.

One can never do too much for peace. With the economic benefits Israel has derived from the occupation, Israel can afford to make an extraordinary effort. That can include financial aid to help build a viable Palestinian economy and government; contiguous borders without Israeli settlements; no more IDF invasions; freedom of travel; family reunification; and compensation for land taken and not returned.

Every person in Israel wants piece. But since Israel is a very little country, it can not rely just on promises, especially from dictators who have no legitimation from their nations. But I see multiple comments from Europe - Hey, just wait till you have enough extremists among your self - we will talk in 20 years. Till then, enjoy you freedoms and peace - It's going to change faster than you think guys. Now seriously, the only way to get a real peace is to wait till there are leaders who actually represent the majority, and a majority who has a level of education which enable them to understand the real problems they face, ecology, water shortage, wealth distribution, justice, freedom of religion, etc. The Arab population are over 80% an-alphabets, they can not read. Whole Arab world only three or four foreign books were translated - what can you expect fro them. Look at the demographic data from Arab immigrants in Europe - mostly criminals and uneducated. Time is needed, till then.

What a grotesque farce.

If the Israelis were only interested in keeping land, how do you explain their return of the Sinai to Egypt. No side in this sad conflict has a clean hand; neither the Arabs in general, the Palestinian Arabs in particular nor the Israelis have a clean hand.

because he doesn't mince his words...he gives the unvarnished truth regardless of other's feelings. He is absolutely correct in saying that Israel has done enough. That doesn't mean that it has done all it can rather that it is time for the other side to make a concession. The UN resolution 242 says that Israel must withdraw to negotiated borders but if the other side refuses to regotiate then what obligation is there on Israel to do more...none. The world has not seen even one concession from the Arabs for their continued, and unsuccessful, agression. They are convinced of their rights and will not change in this generation. Furthermore they corrupt the minds of their coming generations

Imposed solutions don't bring peace because all sides are going to feel cheated and war will come. An imposed solution cannot help the palestinians transport links, if Israel refuses to give them any sort of corridor through its territory which its within its rights to do the palestinians have to go via Jordan & Egypt to get to the other side of their state. What will the world do when Israel refuses transport through ITS OWN territory? Imposing solutions doesnt deal with water, it doesn't deal with right of return fantasy. It doesn't deal with the REALITY of the Jerusalem situation, it can deal with the IDEALISM but it can't solve problems for business, security, transport etc. The palestians have no unity government with authority to speak for all so if one group doesn't accept the solution they will continue to fight until they get their way. Imposed solutions are very nice if its idealism your concerned about but if its REAL PEACE it has to be negotiated or you will get war. Th

19. i fully agree with mike from n.y.c. the conflict did not begun in 1948, but it began in the 19th century already as a conflict between zionism and the palestinians. and what has all happened ever since until today? maybe the conflict already started with abraham in the bible, almost 4.000 years ago.

"It is indisputable that, in the creation of Israel, Arabs were displaced. It is unjust and unfair to take people`s property for no compensation." [Mike of NYC] You are forgetting that even more Jews were displaced in the Arab World at that time. They were thrown out with the clothes on their back. Their houses and other property were taken with no compensation. So, it was really sort of a draw. The big difference is that nascent Israel welcomed all Jews, whereas all the Arab states decided to deprive Pals of a future, a decision still in full force today. You are kinda new around this subject, aren't you, Mike of NYC?

In the past year, Israel peace actions are the following: 1400 dead in Gaza; war crimes against Gazan civilains (read Goldstone); a declaration by Bibi that he will never agree to partition of J'lem, and he will not allow "a single Palestinian refugee" to exercise the right of return; and (according to the NYTimes), about a dozen raids per night in the West Bank yielding around 100 new prisoners for the Israeli gulag in an average week. Meanwhile, the occupation continues unabated. Then we get "the settlement freeze." But, opps, it doesn't include any housing already under construction or for which permits have been granted. In short, what Israel wants in surrender, not peace. And here Lieberman is right. That won't happen in 10 years, or 100 or 1000. AMERICA, WAKE UP TO THE SHAM THAT IS BEING PERPETRATED AND STOP THE GIFT OF U.S. WEAPONS TO THESE MANIACS!

With the palestinians why is nobody ordering Obamas best friend Abbas to talk unconditionally? Does he have anything to loose through unconditional talks,Bibi has offered a settlement freeze except for finishing off projects that have already started. Its not be perfect but what does Abbas have anything to gain by listing conditions to talk if he knows Bibi wont accept them? As for Turkey as a mediator, they should have never been invited to mediate in the first place. When Olmert was running the show all Turkey did was say give Assad what he wants.... no neutral mediation just doing Assads bidding. Also right now Turkey is in bed with Iran & Syria. They have agreed to share military intelligence with Iran Turkey will let Iran build early warning stations in their territory & have commited air force support to Iran if Israel attacks For the first time this year Turkey held war games with Syria while refusing to hold them with Israel & is inproving diplomatic relations with Syria.

prepare for doomsday.prepare for some really mad surprises.

Lieberman does not speak the traditional deceptive language of diplomats. He is not afraid to tell the truth.

Finally, someone (regardless of who it is or how people feel about him) has stepped forward and spoken the truth. Whoever says Israel does not want peace is an enemy of Israel and should retreat in utter shame at the ignorance of such a thought. The words this man spoke are absolutely true: 98% of the Oslo accords were fulfilled by Israel, NOT ONE item was fulfilled by the Palestinians. He was 100% accurate that the world is no longer interested in the palestinians: they've been given the world and kept saying no. There should be NO MORE PRESSURE ON ISRAEL from ANY SIDE concerning the peace initiative: its a done deal. The Palestinians will wind up LOSING EVERYTHING: there will be no 2 state solution, Israel will annex both Gaza and the West Bank and the Palestinians will be given the choice to become citizens or get out. Enough is enough: the Palestinians BLEW IT major. Israel has given too much. The world no longer expects Israel to make peace with such people. Its done.

you are right.With Erdogan Turkey is in no position to handle any international relation. In every Turkish household there is a picture of Ataturk so I don"t believe That a single Turk ever voted for retard Erdogan

The world wonders what Israel has done for peace that Lieberman thinks is worth mentioning. A 90 day freeze on settlements, while Israel continues to build 3,000 housing units in the West Bank and places Jerusalem off limits for any discussion of building limits? Continuing the harsh and humiliating occupation in the West Bank? Maintain the near genocidal blockade over Gaza? Remain in violation of international law? At which one of those peace offers should the Palestinians grasp? Abbas said there could be "peace in two days" with the offer Olmert made in 2009. The EU agreed and the Quartet told Israel to make the offer binding. It never did. Israel can offer a solid peace deal tomorrow: agree to dismantle the settlements, move the security wall to Israeli territory, lift the blockade on Gaza, and withdraw from East Jerusalem. There would be peace so quickly your head would swim. Let the bouncer go back to Moldavia, while Israel joins the international community.

"...Israel needs a buffer against the appearances created by Netanyahu, not proof that Netanyahu is worse than he appears."

Azbob, I'm afraid that the title of your posting is apt. Pure drivel. The Golan is important as a strategic military asset. It will not be abandoned for a piece of paper signed by Assad or Hezbollah, or anyone else. The only way I could see Israel withdrawing would be if it was made some kind of no man's land and there was high level military cooperation involved between a proxy armed force and the Israelis. Save us your drivel, Azbob!

Israel still hasn't taken the most important step: admitting that it was an illegal act to allow its citizens to cross the green line and set up Israeli settlements in occupied territory. All else is bladibla.

Finally a smart and concious Israeli leader that sees that turkey with many barbaric crimes commited against Armenian Kurks Cypriot and other civilians should be the last one to be involved on peasce negotations. I would suggest Israel to get involved to mediate betwwen turkey and World for the crimes it commited since that mass concentration prison created under the name ottoman empire

Sir, Try to read what you write. No Gaza territory was acquired - it was ceded... Left wing position would be strengthen if lwingers tried to (re)connect to reality. Too much to expect?

you raise some interesting points but I don't fully understand your post...

"I've reached the conclusion that even if we do retreat to the 1967 borders, it won't bring an end to the conflict," he declared. You will be surprised, how can this man use this analogy, if israel pulled back, there will be peace and everyone knows that. But no way israel is still building illegal settlements, never mind pulling back. He should just come out and speak the truth. Israel will never ever pull out and watch out the rest of the middle east, as she will try to invade anyones land.

Here are the tombstones to mark each offer....(Keep in mind the US patriots Ben Franklin said "There was never a good war or a bad peace." ) Dutch The Scranton Mission on behalf of Nixon (1969); Sadat's land for Peace & mutual recognition (1971); Carter's call for a Geneva Con- ference (1977); Saudi King Fahd's peace offer (1981); The Reagan Plan (1982);The Baker Plan (1988) ; The Baker Plan ('89) The continued Taba Negotiations (2001). The Saudi Peace plan on behalf of the Arab League (2001); The unofficial Geneva Init. (2003) The Oslo Accord (1993) And killing of Rabin (1995); 22 Arab initiative on Behalf of Syria (2201) and the 3 other Syrian Initiatives of (02 -04); the Roadmap '04 by the US & Quartet which Sharon's buddies claim they anesthesized in formaldyhe to render it inactive. What atrocious evil!!!!! Dutch

Stupid behaviour for somebody who depends entirely on USA , even if the AIPAC lobby and other jewish powerful organizations and lobbies have major influence on the westen world and they should realize that could change in the future It is better for Israel to negociate when they are in a strong and powerful position as they are now

The world will believe that both sides have done enough for peace - guess when ? - when there is peace of course!

He never changes. You can always count on Avigdor Lieberman to blame the victims! The Israelis have demonstrated, over time, that they are absolutely not interested in peace, but only in the acquisition of territory by any means necessary.

The Syrian regime only wants one thing - to stay in power. They have calculated that they have a much better chance to stay in power through an alliance with Iran and Hezbollah and an ongoing "cold war" with Israel. In order to get back the Golan they would need to become a good neighbor - something they cannot risk. They want the Golan only if they don't have to give anything in return - not going to happen.

Israel has been and will always be on the defense. Peace wont happen as long as Palestinians are being taught that Israelis don't have the right to exist. Children are being taught to hate one another, how can we ever expect peace....

everyone in the world respects leiberman. when it comes to peace he is even more revered. good choice bibi!!

speak louder than words !! the arabs could bring real peace to the mid east tomorrow! they dont and they never will !

I agree. Let's impose the Balfour Agreement that Israel accepted and the arabs rejected. Jordan is, was, and will always be palestine. It's the only legally binding document available. Why should Israel give up land that G_d gave to her? Every world power that went against the Jews are now empty shells of what they once were. Hopefully Obama learns from history, but I doubt it because of his policy advisors and cabinet secrataries. Why didn't the invented palestinians cry for a national homeland when Jordan and Egypt ruled them before 1967? Arafat was Egyptian, but used the 6 Day War Israeli victory to re-write history and create a unified people from bedioun arabs.

It is not at all clear to me exactly what Minister Lieberman has done for peace.

... settlements and roadblocks will not bring peace to anyone, on the contrary, they are bones-of-contention and provocations...

Do you understand that hundreds of Israeli with gear went into Gaza to help rebuild by hand and give assistance?In 1999 a directive making Israel and Palestian the same nation collided and occured it was sealed by 150 people and 12 nations.This is why I am concerned who is trying to now say they run Palestian.We are united and have been.Who is attacking thru Gaza.Just because someone lives in USA for safety with children doesnt mean they have less power or less say.We have a government.IF a tiger kept attacking you at the zoo would you build a wall around but try to save the tiger.Who is the eye of the tiger.How many families are facing a husband and a wife one Palestian and one Israeli and are happy till a great aunt sends her son to firebomb the mother because she hates Israeli's.Don't you get you are family.This will not be allowed anymore.There is no custody battle for the land of Israel! NO MORE. Karoon

No justice , no peace. You can barricade yoourselves behind walls and a mighty army. But do you ever feel at ease and peace??? Think about it.

The parties to the conflict will never make peace between one another. They`ve been trying that for 60 years and NOTHING has come if it. A settlement must be IMPOSED upon the parties by the entity that created the problem, namely the United Nations, which created Israel in 1948. It is indisputable that, in the creation of Israel, Arabs were displaced. It is unjust and unfair to take people's property for no compensation. The UN must establish a Middle East Compensation Commission to adjudicate claims from everybody, including Jews, who lost property as a result of the UN`s creation of Israel. Just compensation needs to be paid by the UN for a Release of Claims. If you lost your property and had to live in squalor in a camp you too would harbor resentment. It`s nonsense that Arabs left voluntarily. Leaving is not the same as abandoning and disclaiming rights to property, which in the western world is a sacrosanct right. We all leave our homes. When we get back they`re still ours.

He may be less than fully diplomatic in the hypocritical sense of the word, but he speaks the truth. Get used to it.

I will not even say my opinion about Lieberman, since i don't believe we should give stage to racists, even if he is the foreign minister of Israel, the only place on earth that would give him a public position. But Israel's argument is inconsistent, and full of contradiction. Israel claims it wants a "fair game" and an unbiased neutral mediator. Let me ask Israel this, is USA an unbiased mediator in the peace talks with the Palestinians? or is it ok when it convenient to you?

Fully agree with your assessment of the former nightclub bouncer from Moldovia, with one proviso his voter block which he relies on consists of Russians living in the West Bank. Politically the nightclub bouncer cannot even propose a two state solution because it will cost him his job. Therefore he is trying to bury any moves towards peace. True about Turkey unfortunatly the traditional bridge between Israel and Ilamic states has been usurped.

I fully understand why a nation would use an Andrei Gromyko, Tarki Aziz, or Count Mounjoy to put a glib and reasonable sounding fascade on an impossible position. What I cannot understand is a nation who puts a sociopath in the position of being it's public face to the world. Much is made now of Munich, but the appointment of Joachim von Ribbentrop as Germany's Foreign Minister did far more to convince diplomats at the time that Hitler was hell-bent upon war than is now generally realized. Lieberman lacks the rationality to realize that Israel needs a buffer against the appearances created by Netanyahu, not proof that Netanyahu is worse than he appears. It would be best by far if Lieberman were replaced by a more fascile and disarming man. See: definition of sociopath.

Who wants peace? Definitely not Lieberman. Status quo, which means the settlers may continue to steal the Palestinians' land, water and houses is much better for him.

ITSELF Please Mr Lieberman continue to fight our corner. How can Erdogan be a Mediator..He is an Islamist in Sheeps clothing .... He has said a lot of nasty things lately... He prefers President of Sudan to Israel officials. He is an Iranianist Ayatolist. Turkey ordered 10 Heron UAVs .. I promise you its for Iran Syria and Hezballah . Again thanks Mr Lieberman

....Israel is ready to return the Golan. Currently, Syria supplies Hizbollah and Hamas, harbors militant leaders, and is engaged in a mutual defense treaty with Iran. Israel needs Syria to change this behavior. Syria needs absolutely nothing from Israel...except the return of the Golan. Since we all know that Israel will never willingly return the Golan, Syria has no reason to talk to Israel, and they can carry on as before.

Erdogan denies the Armenian genocide just like Ahmadinejad denies the Holocaust. How Israel could trust such people ???

Lieberman, is perfectly correct. How can you have a mediator that is so anti Israel, being an honest broker.

This it not a trial. He is not a judge or jury. Syria agreed to drop it's preconditions. Not good enough for Israel. Israel wants the French, Syria wants the Turks. Put them in a room together. Let the Druze work it out, it has the greatest affect on them. If you piled up all the garbage spoken by both sides, you could have a larger island than the land in dipute.

Your analysis is faulty.The factors that have contributed to the alienation of Turkey and Israel are the foolish and antagonistic comments emanating from Erdogan. In addition Erdogan's pathetic behaviour towards Peres in Switzerland showed that Turkey had no credibility as a mediator. To mediate you have to be impartial and objective. Turkey under Erdogan is neither.

if I haven't said it before, you are a gem.

More tiresome drivel. Israel does not intend to ever do what it must to have peace with Syria: retire from the Golan and its water. Israel has no intention to give any land back. It will stall, obfuscate, lie, spin and do whatever for as long as it takes until the world forgets, it thinks. As long as the US tolerates AIPAC on its soil and gives Israel our tax monies and diplomatic cover, there will be no peace, to the detriment of both countries. Enough.

Lieberman is right. Turkey is now a military threat for the security of Israel. Erdogan warned Israel of ?earthquake? in case of action against Iran, just 2 weeks ago.

You are supposed to wait until you are in negotiations until you start rejecting peace talks. Say your sorry, attend the talks, then reject. Its okay, your still new at this. Its not like bouncing. Next time get the playbook from Bibi.

You are supposed to wait until you are in negotiations until you start rejecting peace talks. Say your sorry, attend the talks, then reject. Its okay, your still new at this. Its not like bouncing. Next time get the playbook from Bibi.

Since taking office, Lieberman has done everything in his power to distance Israel from its allies. Turkey has always been Israel's only supporter in the region, but Lieberman alienates it just as he has alienated the US and many European countries that always supported Israel. Lieberman is a much bigger threat to Israel's future than Hamas or Syria will ever be.

Lieberman is a racist and I believe he is also a clinical psychopath and has to be hospitalized at a neuro-psychiatric unit. But having said these, I also believe that Turkey should not mediate between Israel and Syria because at present Turkey is ran by people who themselves are islamic radicals and they are in no position to mediate between any two nations. Turkey's PM is the leader of a party for which the constitutional court, less than one year ago, decided that they were at the center of the movement that puts Turkey's secularity in jeopardy, all is in record. How can such a party still exist I am in complete awe. Being a constant critic of Israel in terms of its treatment of the Palestinians, I also believe that the talks between Syrians and Israelis should be conducted in a fair manner, impartially, Turkey's current leadership is neither intentioned nor capable of doing that.